Crossing Genres & Generations: Morgoth, Sorry X, Pipeman Dive Into Heavy Music at Aftershock 2026

0:04 Hey, you're listening to Adventure on W4CY Radio. This is Pipe Man here on the Adventure's Pipe Man W4CY Radio, and I'm here with. Morgoth. And Sari X. Nice. I have a double header going on. I'm so excited here. Killing two birds with one stone with two amazing freaking artists at Aftershock here. Both of which aren't playing Aftershock. I'm not, yeah. I'm not playing Aftershock. I love that. I love that. So, first of all, I've been seeing you all over the place here. Why do you love Aftershock so much that you're going to bear with this heat?

0:51 My mom and dad live in Sacramento, so there's like a convenience factor for me. Yeah, that's true. I get to stay at their house and just coming here is easier. And I produce for a lot of artists who are playing and written songs for a lot of artists who are playing. So it's fun to come watch songs you've helped written in the wild. Are there any that you want to mention that played this year? One of my favorites right now that they're playing tomorrow, which will be Sunday, is Holy Water. Yes. I talked to them at Louder. Oh, cool. Yeah. So I've produced a handful of that music with them and a bunch of unreleased stuff, too, that's coming out with them. And yeah, if I could bet on a band being huge within the next two years, if I could buy stock in it, I would buy stock in Holy Water because... Patrick's a star, and they're all amazing musicians, and I think they're awesome.

1:47 So then I think with your bet, my bet would be seven hours after Violet. Thank you. That's biased for me, though. There's a co-tour there, right there, of the two biggest bands of 2027. Oh, I would love to. Touring with Holy Water would be dangerous. I would love that, though. I would love that. I definitely need to push for that. Nice. And so let's now go to you. Okay. And So I was with the boys from Drowning Pool yesterday, who I love. Yeah. Because our interviews get a little insane. Okay. I've been hearing stories. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And last night I had to help CJ figure out how to get to his hotel from this media tent. Yeah. And, you know, I wasn't sure who had more alcohol, him or his wife. So there wasn't even like one person that could be in charge, you know?

2:41 You know, so it was like I almost had to drive them to the hotel because I wasn't sure if they were going. In fact, I don't even know right now if they even made it, but I trust they did. I heard they did. I think we're all right. All right, good. I'm glad you got them home safe. I know, right? So tell me how it happened. Like you're involved in a song with them. Like how did that happen? So I did a cover of Bodies. Nice. And then I posted it. And then I had my label reach out and send it to them. And they were looking... They weren't actually initially doing any features, but they were starting to consider it. And they heard my song and they. Just really loved it. And then we wrote it together. We added some stuff. They did the guitar solo and the feature and everything.

3:21 And it was super cool working with them. I love that. Yeah. And so I'm going to make you laugh because... Our whole interview had to do with this new heavy metal band, okay? Okay. They're called The Fuckers, and their new album is What the F is Heavy Metal. They debuted. Do you even know about this yet? I don't know about this. Okay. I don't know about The Fuckers. This is going to be great. You're going to love this. They debuted at Riot Fest, and the person who started the band is 95 years old. It's Captain Kirk William Shatner. I do know about this. Okay, I do know about this. Okay. Okay, I do know about this. So we did a version, if it was, because I saw the videos of the performance, and we did a version of if William Shatner sang the Bodies song, okay?

4:17 I need to hear this right now. Okay, because he does sing just like you would think he does. Okay. So the band's really good. But then he gets up there, like they did a cover of Metallica, it was like, Take me off to Never Never Land. So I was doing the interview and they were dying. I was like, let the bodies hit the floor. Wow, it's beautiful. Right? Yeah, maybe it's a ballad now. So now you could do, like all three of you could record a new, William Shatner will do, you'll co-headline with William Shatner. I'll do some screams somehow and it'll be epic.

4:58 There you go. New genre unlocked. The bodies. cover that they did with the Migos is amazing. Nice. Have you heard that? I don't know about that. They performed it on Jimmy Kimmel, I think, too. Oh, really? Yeah. Quavo, I think it was. Quavo samples it. I forgot who the other feature on it is, though, but they performed it together on. uh, yeah, I think it was Jimmy Kimmel or something like that. And it's honestly one of the sickest, uh, like hip hop metal fusion things I've ever heard. I'm going to have to check that out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just type in Migo, Migo's drowning pool. It'll, it'll be the first thing. See, that's what I love too, is what you like, you're saying fusion, like the fact that finally the United States has figured it out to have multiple genres at a festival. Like I texted my daughter, that's totally into hip hop yesterday. I, I listed all the hip-hop bands playing yesterday. And it's like, wow, there was a lot of them, actually. But it was kind of cool. There's something for everything, and we're finally uniting. That's why I think, if you want to solve all the world's problems, music.

6:07 Because that's the ultimate uniter. Thank you, Suicide Boys, actually. Suicide Boys was very early to making that a thing that is now much more normal. Right. A lot of that early rap, darker.... Hip-hop and metal influence stuff like suicide boys and bones and stuff like that those were the first kind of fusion things like obviously obviously like you can go to the 90s and see like judgment day soundtrack with like a biohazard and like onyx and there's all this stuff but as far as like in like this this uh generation the grade a tour like right now they have drain on tour with them you know which is like one of the coolest hardcore bands right and they were here Yeah, in the past, they brought Turnstile. Like, before Turnstile was, like, Turnstile, you know, they brought Knock Loose, Code Orange. So, yeah, it's cool to see that's become a norm.

6:54 I also love that almost every festival I've done since May, which has been a lot, has had Cypress Hill and Insane Clown Posse. Uh-huh. And, like, and. Whoop, whoop. Yeah, yeah. A Twisted tour, actually. My first tour was with Twisted. Oh, I love them. And they're funny, too. I produced a little bit for Weegee Mac, too, who's, like, their new, like, rising star on Psychopathic. Nice. Honestly, ICP has aged, like, so much better than you would have thought they would have in the 90s and 2000s, you know?

7:34 Yeah. Like, where they're... They do so much cool stuff, and they're just such a great business model for being, like, a. DIY artist who, like, built their own culture. Not even just their own label or their own sound or whatever, like, their own universe, really. I can't think of another artist who has, like, a bigger independent universe than ICP, honestly. Yeah, and it's wild, like, the... At Rock, Lahoma, I was on stage, and it was so different watching them from on stage than from the crowd, and thankfully not getting sprayed with Faygo and just watching everybody else get sprayed with it. Speaking of which, I don't remember if you left yet last night, but I think you did.

8:17 Were you still there at Limp Bizkit when Fred came over and doused us all in water? Yes, I was right. You might have been on the other side of the stage of me. Or were we on the same side? We were on the same side. He doused everyone with water and came and gave me a hug. He came up to me and took that bottle and went right in my face. And I was like... Thank you, because it's fucking hot. It's an honor. Right? Exactly. That is an honor. I didn't even expect that. That was cool. It's funny, because you're talking the other side of the stage. We were special, because he didn't go to the other side of the stage and do that. He just did on our side. Oh, lucky us.

8:58 Right? I literally heard girls' high-pitched scream and excitement after he did that. Oh, yeah, right? And that's another thing, too, about yesterday, okay? So it seems like... They wrapped that all around the Limp Bizkit headline day because I would put him on both sides too, metal and rap. And so I think the lineup was designed for Limp Bizkit yesterday. I'm a big Limp Bizkit fan, for sure. Yeah, and I agree with you. Right? Yeah. I've gotten the honor of being side stage for Limp Bizkit as well, and you just got to say thank you. That's all you can do. I have to tell you too, and you may not like this next part, uh, but I've been into a lot of mosh pits in my life, thousands of them. And, uh, I've been in seven hours after Violet, the best one was at hell fest like that was fucking insane okay but the best mosh pit i've ever been in my life was at grass pop limp biscuit a few years ago oh my god it was insane.

10:08 I'm not mad about that at all limp biscuits sets are nuts especially today i literally actually was i literally was like talking to fred earlier today and uh I was like, dude, that shit was nuts. And he was like, yeah, that was a pretty good show. He was like, I think everyone was a little burnt out by the heat all day. I was like, but for you guys, like, everyone being burnt out by the heat and, like, it not being, like, the craziest. Thing you've ever done is. I mean, we've all seen the Woodstock. Yeah. Yeah, I was like, that for any other band is, like, the most wild show they'll ever see, you know? At Louder Than Life, where there's no center part splitting up the crowd. Yeah. The pit was the whole length of the crowd. Yeah.

10:52 It was fucking killer. No, I definitely, yeah. I think it's one of those things, too, where it's, like, there's those kind of pits that, like, you see with the craziest, like, bigger bands, like, obviously the Limp Bizkit ones. We were just on tour with Korn in South America. That's another one. Those were, like, some of the wildest pits I've ever seen, too, because they have the flares. Right. They mosh with the flares, and that's wild. But if you go to, like. Any heavy, hardcore show, really, like anything like a tsunami or Drain played yesterday, or even like Knock Loose or any of that, Pain of Truth, any of that type of stuff, that will be the most violent, scary mosh pits you've ever seen.

11:41 Let me tell you something. I'm from the 80s where I was a long-haired, You got your ass beat if you went to a punk or a hardcore show, but hardcore shows in the 80s were definitely fucking scary. 100%. Yeah, the videos and the photos look... Oh, my God. But I did, before Fred left here, after he was talking to you, I did pull him aside. I've never met him before, but I pulled him aside to say, hey, I just wanted to tell you, and I told him about that, about the mosh pit. And he goes to me, was it dangerous? And I'm like, yeah, that's why I liked it. He goes, it's got to be dangerous. Just like that. He's a character.

12:24 I love it. And speaking of the 80s, where the fuck did it go? Did I ever show you this? Ooh, Battle Vest. That's mine. That's mine from the 80s. See what your 80s Battle Vest got. Oh, an old Metallica one. Nice. Really old Metallica one. Misfits. You got a Stormtroopers of Death. You got Hellhammer. Oh, wow. Possessed? Possessed. Possessed. Possessed. One of the first... The first death metal band? Yes, but originally back then... They always made fun of Possessed calling them a Slayer copycat, and I never got that because they didn't sound like Slayer to me. And they called them Thrash in the beginning.

13:09 Yeah, I mean, that makes sense because, I mean, at the time, I mean, Death Metal didn't really exist before they. Formed a band. So they just, it was just, you know, that's the way it works when you invent a genre. You know, you're not going to get called that thing right away. It takes time to develop. And then Slayer. GBH, I love GBH. They didn't even have, Slayer didn't even have a patch, so I did this, and I lived in LA, and they thought I was a gangbanger, and that was my gang name. Damn, that's hard. That's nice. Okay, you all got DRI. Merciful Fate. I love DRI. Merciful, yeah, shout out King Diamond. Look at original Exodus logo. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, you got Voivod. Voivod is cool. You got Battalion of Saints.

13:52 Wow. That's old venom. Yep. That's called a mosh pit. R.I.P. R.I.P. Kronos. Yeah, totally. What a bummer. Dude, R.I.P. Kronos, man. I remember the first time I heard Welcome to Hell, it was because he's got his record store in the valley. Welcome to Hell! It was, uh, nice. And, uh, There was this record store clerk there who used to always recommend all these bands and albums, and he hands me Welcome to Hell, and I buy it. You know, back then, you couldn't listen to it. You just bought it. I remember the first time, though, I was reading the lyrics while I'm listening. I'm like, this is some scary-ass shit.

14:33 But that person that gave that to me was Brian Slagle, because when he first started Metal Blade, he was a record store clerk. And I went up to him a few years ago, and I'm like, That was pretty fucking genius. Marky goes, I was just a record store clerk. Damn, that's cool, man. DRI. So basically you were like right in the thick of it with Crossover Thrash, Early Death Metal. I was at Slayer's first show ever. Metallica's first show ever. And also, COC, I interviewed them today, but also at Download. So I have interviewed both.

15:15 Before this, I interviewed both Mike Dean and Woody on separate occasions. Oh, that's cool. And I mentioned this show, the first crossover show ever. It was at the Sun Valley Sportsman's Lodge, an Elks Lodge. Oh. No security. First time punks and metalheads. This is an alley ride. Yeah. I remember hearing about this venue a lot back in the day. So I mentioned it on two separate occasions to both of them. Like, you may not remember this, but this was my most epic show ever. And I said, Sun Valley Sportsman's Lodge. And they both said, that was an Elks Lodge, right? That was the most epic show ever. Damn, that's cool. It was Possessed, Dark Angel, and Savage Grace. Yep.

15:59 I toured with them once before. They were awesome. I was very confident. Savage Grace, too. Oh, they're one of my favorites. Oh, cool. Okay, so check this out. You know how you tell your kids, if you're a parent, stories, and they're like, yeah, sure, Dad, sure that happened. So, like, I was known as the most tragic thing that happened in L.A. metal. On this vest is a bunch of my blood from when I climbed up on Marshall Stack at a Savage Grace show on the last song and dove off, full swan midair, crowd moved, teeth first into the floor. Yeah, not fun. But, My kids probably didn't believe when I said it the way I did.

16:39 Yeah. So, I was really, well, I had the proof because I had, I had really been good friends with Savage Grace, but I disappeared from the scene after that, went to college and stuff, and they went away. And then a couple years ago, I get this email, like, hey, do you want to interview this band? They have a new album out, first time in like 25 years, Savage Grace. I'm like, yeah. And then when Chris, the lead singer, the head of the band, he gets on, he's like, oh my God. And he did this in the interview. It's you. He goes, I was wondering what happened to you. I felt so bad. You're like the most tragic thing that ever happened to LA metal. So I played that interview for my kids.

17:27 That's awesome. It's kind of, that's, it's crazy looking because like all this stuff was like on your the mix of stuff on here was like what I was like obsessed with as a teenager too at least like for my like 80s taste and stuff you know because I heard all this stuff on like skate videos but like just the mix of like having like GBH and Venom and Slayer and Possessed you know is like cool because it's uh all like the early blend of like hardcore and metal, you know? Exactly. You know, and I'm glad that we're a day today that brings us back where we can all be in the same place. Yeah. This is, this is like, you got to know ball to know this stuff on here.

18:11 No, it's great. I love that. I love that. Uh, I love, honestly, it's like being like, yeah, I love being like a hardcore kid and like also into metal and into punk and like all the associated alt stuff. genres it's cool that people are less uh less uh uh divided about. It divided gatekeepers it was stupid all that's all those words because we were such a small crowd back then both of us and the jocks always bullied and beat the shit out of us why didn't we join forces i remember i used to I wanted to really bad go get spikes at Posers on Melrose because that was the place to get your. Shout out Posers. That's a cool place to go. That's the place to go. And back then, I was a long hair. I couldn't go in there. So I grabbed a couple of my punk friends who were friends with the owners. And I'm like, you got to bring me to Posers. We go there.

19:00 And we're there for like 10 seconds. They kicked you out, huh? My friend comes to me. He goes, we need to leave. And I'm like, why? We need to leave now. So we go outside and he goes, yeah, they did us a courtesy because we're friends with them. They pulled us aside. They said, get the fucking long hair out of here or we will fucking beat the shit out of them. Yeah, it was serious, man. It was the punk versus metal thing was serious. Yeah, the original Suicidal shows before they crossed over, they had switchblades. The Sui boys had switchblades in the pit, you know, because... They were originally just a Venice gang that played music, you know? So, like, you really did take your life in your hand going into a mosh pit as Suicidal Show was if you were a long hair.

19:52 Yeah, it's funny how that is just not really a thing anymore. No, it isn't. Well, like, all the big. I mean, ever since this, like, your jacket, like, literally all the biggest metal has some inkling of a mixture of, like, hardcore... And the family tree is so mixed together. You can't really separate them too much anymore. That's what I was going to say. It really just depends what culture you come from more than what you sound like. Because for hardcore, everything from Knock Loose to... If you listen to a band like Knock Loose and then you listen to a band like Haywire or something like that, those bands do not sound like the same genre.

20:32 But it's the culture. It's from the same culture. But I love that. All types of music, I think. Maybe with the internet. And because we all do like different types of music. We don't like one type. So why are we acting like that? Yeah, it's people who just like one type of music I find are weird. I think it's weird. It's like only liking one type of food or something. Exactly. It's kind of like your ears have like a weird, you know, there's something wrong with your ears. I know, right? Like I even as a teenager, I would go to a Slayer show on a Friday night and go to a Dead show on a Saturday. You know? Which now it sounds like that would be very normal, but I guess back then it really was not.

21:13 No, it wasn't. Either you're a hippie or you're a metalhead. You aren't both. Either you're a hippie or a punk, but you were a closet punk. But like Slayer, Hanneman was a punk. Lombardo was a punk. Tom didn't even know what heavy metal was. And Hanneman... Hannahman was a punk, and Kerry King was the only true metalhead in Slayer. Yeah, really. And, I mean, Rick Rubin, who, you know, made their, obviously the Game Changing album, was a punk, you know. Right. I'm reading his book right now. Oh, really? The best book ever. I'm like halfway through. I'm loving it. That's actually been, like, one of my favorite, or a thing I love about, like, working with Shavo is getting to hear the, Obviously, as a producer, you know, like, who tries to specialize in, like, multi-genre production, you know, like, jumping lanes from rap, all metal, hardcore, all that stuff.

22:10 Rick Rubin's, like, the god of that, so it's pretty cool to hear, like, inside baseball. That's cool. But it's cool, too, like we were saying, though, with the... like hardcore metal and all that stuff being more of a few. I mean, Turnstile won a metal Grammy last year, you know, and that is. A hardcore band. You mean it wasn't Jethro Tull? Right. Some people act like it's on par with that, you know, being a thing, but I think it's just not 1980. The only time that. Metal and punk or metal and hardcore were Two Separate Worlds was the first iteration of punk bands. Yeah. Like, as soon as the second wave of New York bands, like Agnostic Front and Cro-Mags and all that stuff was, it was, like, all those bands were metallic.

22:53 Yeah. You know, it's interesting, though. There's still some of those holdouts. Like, I dated this chick. She's a singer of a hardcore punk band. And we're not dating anymore because she still had that attitude towards metalheads. I'm like, what the fuck? Yeah, like, it's not 1979 anymore. Like, seriously, you know? Yeah, I remember being, like, I'm in, like, the Grammy committee thing, you know, I, like, get a vote on the Grammys and get a pick. The group of bands that get to get voted on in the metal category is a handful of us, and Turnstile was a debate. That was, like, a debate I really had to, like, argue hard about, you know, about hardcore being a part of metal and, like, in the age we're in now, like, you just sound crazy.

23:41 I think we were just saying we all love Black Sabbath. We all love Black Sabbath. I'm wearing Aussie socks. Yeah, I noticed that right off the bat. Those are the coolest fucking socks ever. Oh, thank you. I got them at Guitar Center. So you were also talking about Turnstile at the Grammys. Oh, right. Who is one of Turnstile's biggest fans? Hetfield. Yeah, you can literally see the video of him and Halford watching them on stage and singing TLC. That's the argument right there that they should be in the Grammys. Right there. Yeah, it's like they don't have a hardcore category. Hardcore is a part of metal. Since the 80s, it's been as much a part of metal as punk.

24:22 Especially sonically. Like to me, agnostic front is the ultimate of metal and punk. Yeah, for sure. I think, yeah, I think them. Age of Quarrel, too, I think from Cro-Mags, too. I think New York, really. Obviously, Suicidal, too. Yeah. Like, those early Suicidal. D.R.I. Yeah, D.R.I. I mean, you can go down the list, all the crossover. But, I mean, metalcore is now and has been the biggest sub-genre of heavy music for over 20-plus years at this point. And the term. started after crossover you know like as far as bands like integrity and earth crisis and stuff and the fact that we now like metalcore bands are headlining this like every night like it's it's become its own parallel culture where a band like bad omens is called the metalcore band and so is a band like integrity or earth crisis and if you listen to both those bands they do not sound like the same thing they're not because it's not about the sound of the genre it's about the culture that it comes from the culture of the blend of metal and hardcore you know.

25:34 Yeah totally i love how you know all this shit that's why it's good to be a producer and a musician yes you gotta know there it is so tell everybody well let's go to her and tell everybody about your music how they can reach out to you Anything you have upcoming and how they can buy your merch because they can't listen to my show unless they buy your merch. Okay, awesome. Yeah, I just dropped my debut album. It's called X's. And I'm working on a deluxe right now that I'm very excited about. Nice. Yeah, sorryxmusic.com. I shipped my own merch on there. And I'm I'm working on yeah finishing the deluxe and then I've got a lot of stuff lined up for early next year that I'm not quite able to say but I'm very very excited.

26:22 It's definitely I would say. I'm learning a lot about my sound and it's the best music I've been making and I'm really really excited I think it is kind of that metal core, but it is so broad and I feel like What I'm working on is like you can't put it in one box But it's just me, you know. I love that. It shouldn't be in box metal or punk or hardcore or anything like that should never be in a fucking box period. Uh, and you gotta do you. And it's always been about experimentation right from the get go. Um, and is there anything else they should know? And they definitely need to follow your social so that they can find out the other announcements that you can't say now. Yeah.

27:02 Um, well just thank you for having me. Um, Let's see. I'm from Phoenix, Arizona, so I've got some events coming up. I'm doing a Halloween party. I'm playing with I Set to Kill in December. Nice. Yeah, Sari X music on everything. Keep up with me. I've got a lot of stuff coming next year. Love it. Well, thank you for being here on the Adventures of Pipe Man. It was a great time. And now we'll switch back to Morgoth, and you tell us about the new music coming from 7 Hours After Violet. First, I just want to say that I've been, for the last two days... Talking about your band, but asking if anybody knew what the acronym would be. Oh, yeah. And nobody could figure it out.

27:43 Shav? Right. Oh, it being Shav? That's funny. Yeah. I mean, we were just going to call it that at one point. That was an idea, but it became too much. We call Shavo that, so it was too much of a... like solo project thing even though i do love the term shav i almost prefer just to tell people my band name is shav because it's just easier it's a mouthful yeah it's a mouthful shav was an artsy guy you know system of a down is a weird band name too so like. Like how many people throughout the years say the instead of uh because it just flows out there system of the down sounds easier to say than you gotta like kind of. System of the down system of a down. Yeah.

28:23 I mean, but I've heard a lot of people though say it, you know. It's just, yeah, it's just, he likes, he likes things that can be, uh, interpreted and like, you know, he's an art, he's an artistic. Guy in a lot of different ways. So, uh, he wanted a name that was creative, but originally it was going to be a solo project. So, uh, if we found a middle ground of like, Hey, let's just make the acronym shop. Cause that's a cool word. Nice. Uh, but yeah, sorry. New music. Uh, so yeah. So we have a new EP that is finished. Uh, it is done. Um, we are working on another one and right now we are, but, uh, just figuring out how we're putting it out. Um, so you will hear new music, new music in the near future from seven, uh, from shop seven hours.

29:14 And, um, yeah, so it's going to be crazy. There's stuff on it that I think a lot of people are going to be really excited about, which I don't want to, I can't give away just yet, but, um, yeah, it's stuff that's like, for me, it was just an honor to, to work on. Like there's feature, there's feature on it. That's like, uh, I can't believe happened. And like my childhood self would die, you know, wow um so yeah we have that and then we have some also similar thing we have some tours and some things offers that are up for us that are insane which i can't divulge yet but yeah keep an eye out for that and then as far as like the my producing stuff goes um I have a song with Polyphia coming out on their album that's about to come out on the 23rd.

30:04 I was able... I imagine by the time. This comes out, I can talk about this, but I got Kanye West's Sunday Service gospel choir on it, which is absolutely insane because it's like the best gospel choir you could imagine on a Polyphia song, which is just maybe the most. musically like elite thing. I feel like I've worked on with like just the, how insanely musical it is. I'm very proud of it. Um, and then yeah, new songs with holy on the next holy water record. I have just a bunch of singles all over the place. Honestly, it's kind of hard to even, I have a, I have a, I have a band too called Goliath. That was my OG hardcore band that we haven't released anything in like 10 years, but it's like the first thing I ever made that anyone ever really gave a shit about. It was my band before Winds of Plague.

30:54 And a similar thing where it's like a mix of metal and hardcore. Our shows were known for being some of the most violent, crazy shows in a while. And yeah, we're. All still homies. So yeah, I'm excited to release the new Goliath album. Our first single comes out October 30th. Nice. And it's just... Super dark, gross, heavy. Just in time for Halloween. Yeah, that's why. A little bit of industrial, a little beatdown, a little deathcore. See, I love that because I love all that shit. And to put it all in one thing. Yeah, exactly. It's amazing. Since the Myspace deathcore revival thing has been going so hard, we've just been getting so bombarded with offers and requests to do stuff.

31:34 And we're all friends. And I just wanted.... I get to work with a lot of awesome heavy bands all the time, and, you know, but it's nice to have a project that I can just kind of channel my, like, I can just make the grossest, heaviest music. I want, you know? And you can be you. Yeah, exactly, and it's, like, very much like me, you know? Me, and obviously, like, my band members help contribute, too, but yeah it's kind of my project I get a lead and it's the first thing I ever did that people gave a shit about so it's cool to bring it back and people to be real excited about that I love it and yeah I'm sure I'm missing a single or two that's coming out but you know follow me on Morgoth Beats and you can see.

32:16 Alright well you guys rock thank you this was a great double header and thanks for being on the Adventures of Pipe Man. Shout out Kami Keo for introducing us at. Her house nice she's cool as shit too Oh, my God. Like, I've interviewed her a couple times, including at Lower In Life. Like, one of the coolest people. Oh, that's another. I have a Cammy K.O. Song. That's another one. There you go. That's another one. You can't forget that. Can't forget Cammy K.O. Yeah, she's my neighbor. Nice. So you wouldn't live that down, then, if you forgot that. Yeah, I can't. Yeah, I have to mention that. All right, man. All right, thank you so much, bro. Thank you. Thank you for listening to The Adventures of Pikeman.

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