Change Persona talks music evolution, punk vs metal, and festival adventures on PipemanRadio

0:04 Hi, you love Done Too True for Wow, for you you. It is the pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe Man W four c Y Radio, and I'm here with. George from Chains Persona and Connor Nice. And you're also from that same band, right. That would be funny though, Like it's if I was interviewing somebody and they're like, well, I'm from this band, and I'm from this band. We just found him on the street outside and I do that on my live show. I'm like, all right, I'll do the thing.

0:46 I did that on my live show, Like I pretend like I just pulled a random off the street and like do both things, and it's pretty funny. I don't know if I talked about this last time, but I love your tattoo and it gives me PTSD at the same time, Yeah. You did, because what's talking about having to rewind manually and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, I could remember, but now it hit me again. I'm like, huh, that's giving me PTSD right there, because the fucking cassette tapes and then coming out and using the pencil and cutting and splice it with scotch tape like the ship we had to do. Yeah, recording tracks off the radio and.

1:29 Totally or like I have Metallica's demo that you can't even hear what it says because it's been recorded over fifty times in the tape training days. You know. Well, in terms of rewinding, we have the rewind button now, so don't. Worry, dude, right right right, Oh my god, everything there like movies and stuff. You have VHS tapes like oh yeah, and. Then like you'd hire something and have to rewind it before you take it back. To the store. Yeah, or else you got penalies if you didn't rewind it before you brought it back. You know, there's still one Blockbuster in the world. It's in Mexico. Yeah, I think I saw this is one that's still hanging on just about and it isn't more for the novelty of it's like a retro time WALPCE.

2:09 I know, right, I'll bring back bring back Blockbuster, I. Say, there you go. They are bringing back my Space did you know that the other day as well? That's fucking wild. I wonder if they still have my profile and Tom still my friend. I was wondering that it's not going to be the same otherwise. Yeah, I was wondering that if when it comes back, if Tom's still your first friend. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's nice. Everyone started with at least one friend. Yeah yeah. If you're a loner, you at least have one friend. They're like, oh, you've got no friends. You've got no friends. You're like, well, I've got Tom from my space. Yeah, Tom's my friend, He's my best friend. I say they should bring back eight tracks. You know I had Blizzard of Ours on eight track.

2:54 Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, and it's funny. Okay, so the eight tracks, it would split between tracks, so if it it would do it right in the middle of a song. So mister Crowley. Used to fade out, it would change tracks and fade back in, and then used that the struggles. Man. Yes, it used to have to take a matchbook thing and put it underneath, otherwise it would be like me too well, so you would have to put that to prop it up, and then it would be at normal speed. Man. Sometimes you know, you just gotta give a bit of a manual influence, right, and. Then the struggle was real.

3:35 It's something fun about it. I think walking out. There is something about it to be real. Like today with the track track track mentality. It's like it's good for artists in one way, but not in another, because like you used to immerse yourself in their music and then the album and now it's like, oh I listened in five seconds, that's enough. You know. It's all like playlists now, isn't it, and find so much about bands that make it now it's like if that Spotify algorithm goes with them, like I find like certain artists every playlist you listen to the same, like four or five tracks are on them. Yeah, And it's like I like this band, but I feel like it's almost like I've been in like conditioned to like them through exposure rather than it's a track that actually I vibe with and that I say, I heard it once on the radio.

4:22 Am I going to listen to that again? Probably not? But if you ram it through me in every playlist I listened for the next two months, like I probably will end up liking it, is that kind of Yeah. Well, like like you ever bring me in a rising shirtlin, So I'll tell Apple Music like I'll say, play bring me the Risin, and for fuck's sake, every time the first song is can You Feel My Heart? Yeah, It's like I love that song, but can I listen to something else too? Yeah? Ess what song is on the back of that T shirt as well? Think it is it is? That's a cool shirt. In a little secret, I didn't actually get this from like a merch stand for like fifty to one hundred quid or whatever. It was like, we have this like really cheap clothing store in the UK called Primark and.

5:06 I know that. Yeah, I've been there. Twelve pounds. Oh nice. Fuck it is here one near Bloodstock. I'm gonna go there now. They're in most towns. We're gonna end the irview. I'm going over there. Yeah, like I was so you missed it. We could match yesterday. I was where when it might bring me to Rise and Shirts and it's like, but they're merged, Like okay, so you can tell this is twelve quid. Yeah, Okay. Their merge, I'm surprised is pretty fucking good because this shirt is so thick. It's like, oh my god, I've never gotten merged. So props to them for doing that, because, like. You know how most bad merches guild down heavy. Look at the label, they all say guild down Heavy. I think our merches guilding out.

5:52 I have a feel of that. Yeah it's thin, yeah yeah yeah, see yeah, that's that's proper care quick exactly. You get what you pay for. But it is ridiculous. I don't know how kids do it today. Like I went to a show. You paid two hours and seematallica and five dollars to buy a T shirt, like and that was also like a million dollars to you're a teenager. It's like you had to scrape up pennies. They don't even make those anymore. Yeah, you know, to buy your ticket. It's crazy. Oh, Like Connor has this rule with gig tickets, like when we were younger, right, we'll go to a show and I'll send the other day so all to Bridge. When I was probably like I don't know, probably like early twenties, late teens, and I remember paying fifty pounds to seeal to Bridge and thinking, oh my god, this is like the most expensive gig I've ever been to.

6:39 But I really want to see alter Bridge, so I'll pay it. I remember being like a little bit annoyed. I'd spend so much. Now that'd be cheap, right, right, And exactly Connor has this this stunt you want to say. So, it's basically any gig ticket that is triple digit So I won't pay Yeah, absolutely not. That's absolute extortion. If I don't have a media paths, I'm not paying for that ship man. Like I could go I live in Florida, I could go to Bahamas for the price of buying a ticket for a couple hour concerts. And I love the music and I love the concert, But like, do I really want to spend like like the Who in the United States, like the Nosebleed it is two hundred and fifty dollars the last time they played, Like that's fucking insane.

7:21 You're just watching this dot in the distance. And yeah, you're up in the fucking bleachers, you know, and exactly you can't even see the shit. If you want to be like upfront. Or here's the thing that bothers me too, you buy a pit pass. Like when I was younger, that was the chief ticket, the general admission. Now you pay more to go into gerald mission to be able to be in the marsh pit. And have you heard this stuff in the media recently about people who pay all this money for gigs and because they're waiting for what they call is it like they're waiting for barrier or whatever you call it. So they're queuing for. Hours, no access to the toilet, and they're going to gigs and like adult diapers or whatever.

8:04 Yeah, like, who was it? What was that artist the other day that said I. Think I heard it, I can't remember that it is from the stage. Oh my god, that's just And. There was another band, I think it was like a European band, and someone actually kind of made a mess in the mosh pit and then people. Were throwing up, which was making other people. We saw that. We saw that and people pissing in the pit. But if I I found that the first time I came to UK and did download. No offense. But you guys will piss wherever. Yeah. Yeah, And I saw a line up against the wall like the stage, like it was the urinal thing, but it was just the walls.

8:48 It comes the official urine, right, Yeah. You know in the States, you do that, you could go to jail. It's against the lad the piss in public because it's like obscenity. You know. Here you guys like I even okay, maybe it's because I'm American. I just have a problem with peeing in those troughs. I want to be that close to all the other dudes and their ship and whatever. Yees, stay try, I know I do. Like I went there last sec the a batos, the private ones were all like, that's so I go in. I was like, fuck, I can't piss because I have somebody like squishing next to me and. Either shoulder contact. It's not fun.

9:28 Yeah, no, no, no, no, that's not that's not good. I don't get as well. To be fair, exactly, do you be a swang? You know exactly? I think some of that those where like the British in general, would just like really love a beer, and the more beer you consume, the more you gotta do something about it. Yeah, well that's kind of true. Yeah, you know what was kind of weird. I was just at baking last week. Okay, you talk about beer, some of the best beer in the whole world, and the sponsor was Budweiser. I was like, what the fuck? Who comes to Germany to drink Budweiser? We call that ship piss water? Yeah? Yeah, you go for like some German sounding like Kilsner or something. Yeah, exactly, what's the name you can't pronounce, and it's in a big thing with a handle on, and you're like, yeah, that's what I'm in Germany for, Like.

10:17 Yeah, just I will not take this Budwiser slander. He loves Wiser. To be fair, I love a Budweiser, one of my favorite beers. You can call you're you're not English. Then we were only arguing last night in the supermarket when we were getting beers for the apartment, were staying in, and. He put a box of Budweiser in. I was like, dude, can you not just get something everyone will drink great? Like I'm buying this with myself, motherfucker. Okay, to be fair to me, Guinness is fucking gross. Okay, I know you guys love it, but for me. You hate. I love exactly. This is going to go. I feel like with Guinness, though, it's like you have to learn to like it, almost like my first Guinness. I told so put it in this way, like your first beer when you were like, however, old sixteen, seventeen eighteen, however old, no one enjoyed.

11:06 Their first beer. If they told you they did, they're a liar. I wonder why people have acquired taste, Like if you didn't like it, why are you doing it? Because we like the effects exactly feel. Good or at that age or just like what everyone else is doing it. I must been drunk back then. It was just a new fun experience. Yeah yeah, yeah, now you just did it. It didn't minute what it was. I think we were drinking like this sider called k oh which is basically petrol. Like rocket fuel, was like eight percent though it got us. There man, in a couple of cans, you know, and it was cheap. Well that's like we have in the state's grain alcohol. It's like one hundred and ninety eight proof. It's like pure, like it's almost rubbing alcohol moonshine, but like it is the first time I drank. I was a teenager and I drank it like I was swigging a bottle of Jack Daniels and I took a swig and oh my god, it took like ten seconds. Was the most fucking drunk ever, like because and they're like, why do you drink so much?

12:06 I don't know. I was just taking a swig. So that reminds me. I went on a work trip to Romania. I've got some Romanian colleagues and they had this like a traditional shot they do at special meals, like so it's a big occasion, like a Christmas meal or whatever, they have this like traditional shot they do. And they were like, it's really really strong, but you have to try it. It's like our national pride. And you're like, well, I don't want to offend anyone. Yeah, And I took one shot of. This thing and immediately I felt like I've been punched in the head. It was like, whoa, I feel like I've had like three beers immediately after that one shot. It was like, dude, these guys don't mess around. So I was married to a British girl and we went to ebcut one time in Florida, where you know, if you know about it, you go.

12:48 Around the world, you know. And so when we got to the England parts, she's telling me, I had to try this drink. Okay, oh my god. It was so disgusting to me. You guys, well, he probably likes it. Some subjects. You're gonna family by saying you. Don't like it. Right, It was a snake bite. I was that like cider and beer with it was. Like guinness and cider something like that. I'll give you that one because back in the day, that was like what was on. Offer, right, they had they had like student nights and it was like a pound or something for a snake bite. And that would get you there, you know, especially when you're student you ain't got any money.

13:29 Yeah, exactly, you'll take it. It would absolutely have something else. Yeah, they're not not anymore. I love my Budwiser, thank you very much. Right, so now we do. Oh, by the way, about Budweiser, Like so there's an earth thing. That's why all the rednecks in my country drink it, because there's actually a scientific study that there's something in budweiser that's nine other beers that causes aggression. Really, and so people the Rednecks that drink Budweiser, they're kicking the shit out of each other all the time. You look at rather side than they want to fight. Do you have that happened? Does that happen to him? Yeah, all the time. I have to be really careful around him. He said he got punched in the head by that shot. That was actually mean. It's actually him yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right, No, I know over here back in like was it like the eighties or whatever. They used to have the same problem with stella. Oh okay, and they used to there was like a slang name for it was wife beta.

14:20 Oh wow. Yeah, it was well known that like it made people aggressive, and but I think since then they identified the chemical in it and removed it. So yeah, so that's like tequila. But I don't have that the issue with tequila. Like, but most people tequila they turned into the violent fighting drunk. Yeah, you know. I do feel there's an element of like your temperament as a person though, because I feel like, no matter what alcohol I drink, I'm not gonna go like looking for a fight or punching anyone because that's just not how I'm inclined. But certain people I think are looking for something and then they just need that incentive to push them over the edge. Like I think it just affixts your characteristics, right, So yeah, if quite an emotional person in that way, then it's just gonna enhance that, that makes sense, and make you that person. Yeah. I think if you're not like that naturally, then there's nothing to enhance if you if you know what I.

15:11 Mean, Oh ye, all sense, it's any drug or alcohol. That's all it does is really enhance whatever your personality is, you know, the stuff that you have an inhibition and hold back. Yeah, that gets let's let loose. Yeah, absolutely agree. That's why it's always the Rednecks again in the fights, because. That's just who they are culture man exactly. So what else you got going on with your music? Yeah, I mean we finished recording a new EP a little bit ago. We're just sorting out with a pr and getting things. Together all that fun stuff music. Videos, photo shoo. Yeah, but yeah it's come together. But yeah, we should be releasing soon quote unquote. The most exciting times is you know, the stuff is a little bit different than we've done before, but you know a little bit more.

16:04 Aggressive as well, I think, which is what goes well for this festival because like we were kind of confused when we got the like. Absolutely thrilled, but also. Like when they invited us, they were like, we were like, we they know we're not a metal band, right, Like we're kind of like punk. But what was it they called us? They called us punk or. Or something that you should have been a rebellion then, is what you're saying. We did play that once didn't we a few years back? But how was that? By the way, Like, I haven't been yet because it's always the same time as Bloodstark, and I'll pick blood Stark every time because I love this festival. Yeah, but I would like to cover Rebellion. So what was it? Like? Really cool? It's it's very different vibe. It's not like all outdoor like it is here or download. It's kind of spread across the city almost. They got like a massive ballroom, haven't they, the Winter Gardens And it's like this huge indoor ballroom with multiple rooms of different stages in each one, kind of like you ever been to Alexandra Palace over here.

17:01 Well, it's kind of like. I do a festival in the States called Punk Rock Bowling and it takes over downtown Las Vegas, and so it'll have like one main but then we have like the punk Rock Swim that's a swimming pool of a hotel on top of a hotel. It's pretty wild. You see all the punks doing circle pit in the water, all bands playing. They have poker tournaments, bowling tournaments, and then they have club shows, like lots of club shows all around. So at the end of the main, you know, the headliner. Then everybody goes to all the different club shows. And the club shows are the fucking best because there's so many bands playing, Like there'll be like twenty club shows all with like three or four bands playing, So no matter what type of punk you like, you could go to it. And there is a funny story of an interview I did at one of them with Waddie of the Bloided, and I knew I would get his goat, and I did it because I was interviewing him right before he got on stage.

18:07 We're talking. My final question was him, So, Waddie, what do you think of pop punk? Oh? My god? He went off, and then he went up on stage afterwards as yellend fucking pook. There's not fucking book you know. Ah, he's not punk pop pok. He basically rolled him up. Oh yeah, purpose for sure, it was great. Rolled that show up like tis. No doubt, no doubt. It was definitely a more aggressive show after that. Oh he probably got better performance out of it. He's a bit more animated, I know, right, And I know. Uh, let's see there was where was I at? I think it was hell Fest. It's cool because they have the metal different stages, but different metal, like they do a different metal and then they have the hardcore stage, so like one year they had Exploited Discharge I think gb H two and like all the old school.

19:06 You know, that's the same kind of crowd as Rebellion. Yeah exactly, So that's why why I go. Yeah, oh yeah, if you diggle that stuff, you'd like it, you'd love it. Yeah. Yeah. When we went, they had the Stranglers Bad Religion were meant to play, and then they pulled out and we were. Like, gut it. Oh man. We saw Cockney rejects and they had from the Jam who were like some of the original Jam. Yeah yeah, yeah, but not all obviously no Paul Weller. But yeah, it's awesome. It's a good weekend. I can't believe you k subs is ny. Oh it's a shame, right yeah yeah yeah yeah there ending. I just saw in the States the sub Humans again, like I couldn't see these bands when I was a kid. I was along here and I get my ass beat.

19:46 So it's great that now I can see them because we're not a bunch of idiots, you know, like we. Were talking earlier, weren't you and you're saying about like the metal heads cat mixed with the punks when you were younger. That's so alien to us because when we we were like, if you like alternative music, you were just branded as you're the emos, whether you're punk. Where Motorhead Slayer. That was what combined us together. Like and it's so similar to music, you know, And I'm so glad that's what I'm saying. You know, I'm so glad the gatekeepers are almost gone. Yeah, yeah, because it's just. We already we're already outsiders in the outside world. We don't need to be outsiders in our own world.

20:27 So you could have said it any better, like if we're all marginalized then shunned by everyone else, like at least let us be cool with each other, right exactly. Also, it's like to get a bit philosophical. It's just like, well, we've got one chance, really, so why don't we just enjoy? We enjoy people going with it. Yeah, you're just holding up for your own your own like selfish pleasure for whatever. It just doesn't make any sense to me. So just just enjoy, we enjoy, and just you know, make your life just that little bit less craping hard. And like I was saying earlier, like who the fuck gives a fuck? How does it affect your life in any way? What somebody else does? You know, if someone came to me and I knew they were totally not a metal head, and they're like, oh, I've listened to this metal band for the first time.

21:13 It's the first metal track I've ever heard. I like it. I wouldn't be like, oh no, that's not for you. I'll be like, oh cool, here's some other stuff you could try that you might like. I would encourage it, yeah, or. Oh that's medal. Yeah, oh fuck, I hate that so much. Like here's the thing I hate. Bring me a rison. I love them. They're like my top five. So many people give them hate because they want them to be death core still, and I think their latest music went back to death cores anyway. Yeah, yeah, And that's the way I kind of look at same with Metawka. I was that way while younger, you know, like I was at their first show ever you hang on and then the Black album came out fucking posers, sellouts, blah blah blah. But what they did was they did that, but then they were able to go back and do what they want, you know, And that's the where I look at it.

22:02 What bring me? Like they did what they did and then now they can do what they want. But also I heard out Ali in an interview and he's like, why do I want to write the same song over and over again? And I agree with that that would be born as fuck as an artist. Yes, that's the word I use all the time. You got evolved. You want to learn your craft, like you don't want to stay as shitty on your instrument as you were when you were fifteen. If you look at when we started out, we didn't really have many songs of our own, and the first aage you emulate your heroes, right, Yeah, So we were like, everything we play is going to be either a Green Day cover, a Blink cover at plus the few songs we've written which sound insanely like that. Then we kind of got big into like more punk punk, didn't we, And we'd like started listening to a lot of rights against some bad religion and that kind of stuff, and then we started writing more stuff like that. And then what was it you were telling me the other day about when you had that penny drop moment about your writing style and oh yeah.

22:58 No, it was your like because I always wrote in a similar formula, right, So everything started sounding the same and I felt like I s of exhausted that and I just felt stuck, like I didn't know what to write next. And I was like, you know what, fuck it, I'm just gonna write what I want to write. Yeah, it doesn't matter what it is. And it's I think we've done like the best songs we've we've. Ever like read. I think that's how it works. So because if you're writing for you instead of the audience, like listen, you're never going to please everybody, and that gets frustrating. So just please your say yourself, and you'll attract your people. Yeah, it's basically what And then when you're performing it, the audience can see that you're into it because you get to a point like if you're performing shit you really don't want to.

23:45 It's noticeable, you know. It's like, what's the point, exactly what you're doing it for? Right? It's not for you obviously, no. And I think uniqueness is key, Like you brought up formula. I talk about that all the time, like, especially in like metalcore, Okay, they use I say, they use like an algebraic equation to make music, you know. And it's like, then all the bands do sound the same, you know, whereas like the Big four Thrash, they didn't sound the same. They weren't even close to sounding the same. They had similarities, that's it, you know. I remember when we were younger and that kind of scene just started up, and you had like asking Alexandria an attack attack, and they were all very similar, weren't they to each other? Like yeah, open open one, open, open, open.

24:31 Two, right exactly, you know, so like I give props to bring me to rise and because. Too, like I came late in the game. I saw them at festival in the US once because they weren't really that big in the US yet, and I'm like, holy fuck, that's the best live show I ever. But that was when that's the spirit came out. And then I went back and then I was like, oh, that's cool, and. Guys have a back cat exactly exactly. And I think that's key because then you take people who probably wouldn't be a fan because they don't know, and you catch their attention with something different, and then they go into your bad care work.

25:14 Yea, you know, I think it says like speaks volumes about how talented they are that they've gone to the heaviest of heavy stuff like that we were saying earlier their newest album, they've gone back to was it a Suicide Season re record? And that's like proper death core stuff. Yeah, but then they've got like was it Amo that album that was like basically pop but still great, And then you've got like that sem Paternal era where they were still like they had that perfect balance, I mean, insanely heavy but also melodic, like they can do it all, yeah, showing like no matter what avenue they want to go down, they'll they'll kill it. At whatever they do. Like that's why they're so beloved, Yes. Because they have such a variety of sounds that anyone could just sort of cling onto it and really enjoy it.

25:54 And they do it really. Well, apart from the gatekeepers, who are the ones that are like, oh no, they've done that pop album that one time, they're dead to me and just like yeah. The original Death Corps like can't stand bring me arising now because and like. Fuck it, Like yeah, so just like the old. Stuff, there's some bands that I don't like their new stuff, but does me now don't like the band name or I just like the old stuff, that's all. Yeah, If all these problems. Are so easy to solve, just don't listen to it. Although I must admit I fell in that trap myself of Lincoln Parko because when I was a kid, they were like my favorite band in the world, like the first two Meteor and Hybrid Theory. I still hold them up there as my favorite albums of all time, and Minutes to Midnight was good, and then after that they just went to like synth music, and I was just I felt like betrayed at the time, and I didn't listen to them until they kind of went back to their rock creeks again. So as much as I'm kind of like to call myself a recrit here much as I'm calling out these people saying it about real, I was kind.

26:48 Of like that we all do it, you know, listen like. A perfect band for me is Rush as an example. Once they started putting the synth in, I'm like, yeah, I don't really like that. And it's not I don't like synth, it just didn't sound like it wasn't Rushed to me anymore, you know, And there's a few bands like that. It's like they get to a certain point and it's like one might be an unpopular opinion to me Iron Maiden, Like I love Paul Deiano Days, I love beginning of Bruce Days. But then it started getting a little silly to me, Like it was like just too much, you know, going in as other eras. So I think like last album I might liked was like Power Slave or something like that, and after that it's just like it's kind of boring me. You know, it didn't have that same spark.

27:42 Yeah, I was just gonna say, this is a bit off. How many albums have Rushed done now? How many? I have no idea how many albums. And there's a lot, a lot, but there's been so much transformation because like the original album sounds nothing like moving Pictures, and then you go to signals and it's like you ask me, okay, signals, you last me. It just doesn't even sound like Rush aim or to me, like twenty one twelve is my favorite album by Rush because that is like, oh my god, that's intense, you know. But I also like the Old Ship from the beginning, but it doesn't mean that's my favorite either, because you can tell they weren't as good. Yeah, you know, certain things went on.

28:25 Yeah. So here's an interesting concept. We were talking over a few beers last night about bass Play Rowan, and we're talking about how when you listen to bands new stuff that you grew up listening to, so say you're like twenty, you're listening to stick to your guns. This is what we were talking about last night, and we were like obsessed with them. I have a new album come out now, and you're like, it's good, but it's not it's not giving me that that same feeling. And we had this debate of is it a case that it's because you're now older and you're clinging to that nostalgia of how it made you feel as a teenager, or is it a case there new stuff genuinely isn't as good. And we had this two cops and we were so I'll add to debate. I think there's two things.

29:06 Number one is they don't have that raw energy that you know, like that young, brutal energy. Now they are kind of settled down a little bit and they you know, it's like when you're a young band, You're just trying to make this impression. So you you just fucking you're pure emotion, and I think as you go on that maybe that might disappear sometimes for some bands. The other thing is the nostalgia. It's definitely that, you know. Perfect example is the song Seeking Destroy, so that plays at the San Jose Sharks games all the time, and I heard Hetfield saying something like, you know, I don't know why they play my old version of it, like to kill them All version, because we redid it because I can actually sing now and I couldn't then. I prefer the old version because he had that raw voice. He wasn't trying to sing. Yeah, you know now he tries to sing, and I like that old like it's like this raw fucking voice that made thrash and now you're just trying to be like you're try and be like Ryan James deeal type of thing.

30:25 And sometimes like something doesn't have to be glossy and perfect for it to like have meaning and be like you, You'll prefer that version because being rough and ready is what made it so cool. Yeah, Whereas now if it sounds too glossy, it might sound overproduced. It might not sound and yeah, there's nostalgia there too, like if it's what you grew up listening, like the Weirdest One right as a kid might have accidentally downloaded some stuff illegally, but like when I was listening to like an album, Mars was right, but you know, like Tenacious D. Yeah, So the soundtrack of their film The Pick of Destiny I heard inadvertently downloaded the clean version where they'd swapped the swear words for like let's say frick instead of fuck or whatever. Yeah, and like, oh, if I see them live, I'll be the only person in that room singing the clean lyrics because that's.

31:13 Why I grow up listening to. And when I hear the real version of the song, it's like really alien to me. I'm like, what it's because I've listened to that clean version like a million. Times And now I'll give an opposite thing. For the debate war Pigs, the original lyrics for that song sucked, Like if you hear the original version, it's like it doesn't make you feel the same, and you're listening lyrics like that doesn't even make sense, like the new lyrics or the ones we know, Yeah, like that makes total sense with that song. This is just contextual. Yeah, like, yeah, it's a case on case basis. Yeah, I don't know.

31:55 Sometimes I really prefer the imperfections of songs because that makes the sound. Yeah, it just makes it who it is. It gives a character. I think if you sort of squeaky clean things and overproduce it, it just can sometimes lose a lot of that. I talk about that with live shows, like your live show should not be the studio. Yeah, I can listen to that album, out need to go to your live show. The live show should have imperfections, and it should have fuck ups, and it should be just like organic real, you know, real. You know, that's the het look we try to have. If you ever make a mistake on stage, it's like the worst thing you can do is all stop and look at each other. The best thing you can do is laugh and style it out and just try and gloss over it.

32:38 Most people don't even know this, Yeah exactly. You're your own worst critic, you know, so you think, oh my god, I fucked up, blah blah blah blah. Most people don't even know. They don't know this. Right, I've had it say I'm I don't know, I'm late coming in, I've played the wrong chord whatever. After the show, I'll be beating myself up to it and I'll be to like one of our friends, our family, I'll be like, I can't believe it on alien, but I play it. I came in at the wrong time. I'm so annoyed, and they'll be like, what did you I thought you guys were great, and you'll be like kicking yourself. And it's only it's taking me years to realize you shouldn't get hung up on those things because now half the time, like you said, no one realizes like it's only you.

33:19 Yeah, exactly, and that's the beauty of a live show anyway. Yeah, So going back to what you said, So, what was Bloodstuck's response when you said, well, like, you know, you know, we're really like punking. We didn't point it out. We're like, we're just gonna run with this, and so I think we applied. And I remember at the time to our drummer Gab, I was saying to her, I was like, are we just wasting our time applying for this? Like we we don't fit that metal vibe? Oh, you just are they just gonna like click delete before they even listen to our stuff and for ages, and she was like, maybe we should try Metal to the Masses as you know that competition they do where you can go through heats and get into a final and the winner gets the So we didn't do that because for years I was like, it's not worth it, We'll never do it, We'll never get the votes from the metal scene anyway. And then we just got we applied, and then we just got a place direct, didn't we They were just like, yeah, you're booked if you want to play the mp stage.

34:14 We were like what. I was in the airport with my dad and we were just eating food in the airport and I was just like, what the hell. I saw it come up on my phone. I was like, what the hell? And the first thing I did was like Messy's gaps and I was like, I'm really sorry. You were right. But yeah, we didn't point it out to them. We were like, if I haven't made a mistake, it's a happy mistake, and we'll just we'll just play our heaviest stuff we have. Literally, Well, that's a cool fucking story, but it's a testament to this festival because yeah, this festival is like an old school philosophy, you know. It's not the commercialize that all the other festivals have become. You know, it's become something that is a family. We're a family here and that's the best thing about Bloodstock. And even Vicky Hunger for an arm so she's great. They asked her, are you planning on like growing it like Download? And She's like, absolutely fucking not. Yeah, you know, and for that, I will always promote this festival because.

35:13 I like it the way it is. It feels it it's more by the people for the people rather than like how much money can we make? And you keep the assholes out because like, there's not I have never met one asshole at Bloodstock. I've met them at Download, I've met at hell Fest, I've met met the US festivals, you know, because when you start inviting the masses, you get the assholes too. Yeah, you know. I was at bringing in Bringing the Horizon pit. There was this dude who was like six foot seven, huge, and he just went in there to hurt and name people. We don't want people like that in the pit. You hear about architects of Download this year, I think I was. I was at their show. What happened now, I'm trying to remember.

35:56 They had to stop the set, like, oh yeah, I was there up punching people in the face. And I was there, and I wasn't in the pit, so I wasn't one hundred percent sure what was going on, but I know that it was fucking brutal and yes, that stuff like several fucking dimes. Well, our bass player was in the pit and he actually got like full on punched in the back of the head, and like his girlfriend was saying, she was sure he was like semi concussed. The rest of the day. Oh my god. I like Sam Carter just like stopped the show, and I was like, guys, you can't be hurting each other like this, like the whole metal mantras, someone falls back down and you pick them up. Yeah, for each other your community. Don't just go like trying it. And like his girlfriend said, before the show started, she overheard someone saying, I can't wait to punch some people.

36:42 I need to do that to enjoy this. See. I hate fucking people like that because they don't get with the pits all about it ain't about that exactly, I'm the type of person who I'm small. There's big dudes like that that want to throw their way around. I'll just come out, come around, get down low like Mike Tyson, come up with my elbow and then I'm on the other side of pit before they know who fucking hit them, and they fucking deserve it. Man. It was cool at that Bring Me Pitt though, some dude bigger than him came in. He said, while you pick on somebody your own side, and he removed him from the pit, and that dude would stay on the outskirts. He was scared. And that's the thing about those big fucking dudes when they face somebody in their own size, they're fucking scared. They're bullys because they're so big and they think they can do that. Then you have the other big dudes that are the biggest pussy cats in the pit, and they're the ones that you befriend because they're like totally cool.

37:34 They realize you're smaller, they realize their size, and they're not. Going to be brutal with them. I saw yesterday though, one thing like during the during Heavy Saurus with the dinosaur pit. I don't know if you were here. Yesterday we saw someone in the dinosaur coustume on the drive head. Oh there were a million of them yesterday because heavy Saurus. They're dinosaurs and a dragon. There was one dinosaur that was doing like the windmill shit, and like, no, dude. There's kids in here. This is for kids. It's not for that shit. Wait, go to the band you want to see for that shit. Yeah, you know, like I I think that shit's stupid. Somebody it's old school masher that still does it. That windmill shit is just stupid.

38:16 Okay, someone like pump shoulders as hard as you can. Yeah, look after each other, Like why do you need to be throwing fists and like putting feet in the air and. It's just stupid. Like, that's not what it's about. I go in the pit so I'm not kicking people's asses in the outside world. That's what it's about. You whant to go kick ass doing in the outside world, not in the pit. You don't belong there. Totally, totally. And one last thing I'm gonna talk about. You were mentioning like the Green Days and then you know sitting there thinking, oh good, I just said about pomp punk before that. But I will say something that the first time I saw Green Day Live, I changed my opinion because originally it's like, uh, it's fucking pop punk.

38:59 But no, man, they are real punks, and they were real punks. They just happened to get popular and one of the best shows I ever saw, So props to them. And that now to something else you said about certain songs, like you're saying wouldn't be appropriate a certain age. That's what happened when after Shock Blink one a two was a headliner, and I like Blink yeah, but everybody was leaving because and they were all saying, like, when I was fifteen, these lyrics meant something to me. They don't mean anything to me now. Oh yeah. So because if you think about all their songs are basically like if you were fifteen years old, you'd be like fucking.

39:43 Yeah, like Chasing Goes and Yeah. And all the fifteen year old stuff. But if you're in your thirties, forties and up, yes, you know, it's like yeah, like that doesn't really then you can connect to me. You can tap back into that teenage you you know. That's a good point. That's a good point. I think that's what happens with my nostalgic bends. You know, you tap into those memories, so you know that's cool. Or like I think Ali going back to bring Me is one of the most brilliant lyricists ever. Like I so relate to a lot of his lyrics. My favorite one isn't Demons.

40:24 That's what I was going to say, such a great to me. That is my favorite lyric of all songs ever. Is so fucking brilliant, Like it's so brilliant that it's so funny that you said that, because that's what I was gonna say that. I always say that lyric is just like oh my god, right, I mean, that's amazing. So but you guys are fucking amazing and you're here at fucking Bloodstock crazy now you're gonna be in love with the fact that your bloodstock and you're because you're part of the Bloodstock family. And what other final words do you want to give the listeners about what you got coming up about you and about being europe bloodstock.

41:11 Yeah, like I said, we have an EP coming at some point, I don't know when. Follow the social yeah. Yes, yes, gotta follow socials and find out Yeah, but. No we're we're just so gaessed to be here. We're really excited to play today, was it yeah? The stage? Yeah? Nice again? The good time today. Yeah, man, I'm just looking forward to seeing how the crowd is, you know, just having a good time, having some fun, you know, just just bringing some good vibes, some good times, treat each other like family and have a good. What there you will find is the audience here. They're incredible. Like yesterday you had heavy sores and that place was packed for this is like basically almost kid music, but was so fun. It's to bring kids into metal cool.

41:58 And then the next band was Evil Scarecrow, who they are the funniest fucking dudes ever. Like there were people, there were dinosaurs, there were crabs in the pit, there were spiders in the pit, you know, and they were doing all these fun songs. And I interview them in earlier in the day and they're like, man, we just don't take ourselves seriously, Like we're just out there to have fun. And that is the key, Like it's fucking music. Don't take yourself so seriously that I think if you just. Take it way too serious, then you just give yourself all these expectations that you can't reach. Exactly. It's like the mantro we've always had. We started out as best friends in high school and we just done it because we all have music and we're all best friends, and that's all it's ever been since.

42:43 That's the only way it should be. Yeah, yeah, none of this like we need to look a certain way, we need to do things the same way. It's just like we're just friends hanging out playing music. And if you're not best friends, you'll be like Perry Ferrell and punching out your band made on stage. Yeh see, there you go. Well that you need to change your beer. I did tell you this last night. I had some Sam mcguil last night, proper he did, properly. Just go like nod, I get rid of the bud. We're having Sam Miguel. And you know in America they do have the bud at everything. But I just think in Germany, Budweiser should not be the major sponsor that is the only beer everywhere like that.

43:26 Jermy is known for beer, right, that's just great. That's like going to Belgium and then just eating like hershees. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. Well and that's like being at Bloodstock and you guys not being here. Thank you so much. I appreciate that. We're glad you're here, and I know you're going to kick ass, and I think you're gonna be in shock at how many people are out there for your set and moving and like fucking loving it because that's the Bloodstock family. And we love that you're here. Mate, Well, thank you. I love that. I love that you remembered me because it means I wasn't a fucking shitty press person with a boring interview, you know, because there are some that I listened to in the States. I'm like, oh it's the hours I'd slipped my throat right now. You know you got you gotta make it fun. That's what this is about.

44:20 It's just aworth conversation. Yeah, we're not in corporate America. This is music like make it fun, but not. Hold you get your band name? Who are your biggest influences? Oh my god, how do you say your name? Yeah? See that's why I band say it so I don't fuck it up. I know your first radio man. Right, We've had it through our whole quot career. People fuck off our band name. Every time, so we have to really enunciate it change. And how do they fuck do that? Yours is not really that hard. We've had changed persona. We've had changed persona, You've had change person I'm just like, change persona.

45:04 It's not that difficult. Yeah, And some of those. On stage, I introduce us onto the stage of the wrong name and you're like you know, and you're like you had you had one job, dude, Like, come on. That's why I if I'm doing like remote interviews, I will if I'm not sure, I'll go listen to how the band says it, like I'll look on Google, you know, because sometimes you could be an idiot and listen to another press person that's fucking it up, and then you fuck it up. Yeah. But I also think bands say it better than me anyway, because a lot of times you'll get beds they'll be like work, you know, and I'm like, that's a lot cooler than me saying.

45:50 It's all in the delivery exact changing person with. So maybe you should, like, you know, I have a good idea. You should start playing out albums and each album name is the all the incorrect ways they. Say great idea, right, that such a good or song about it, right, that. Would be great album. It was just like a different variations like every single song. Yeah, that would be brilliant. I love that you guys do that for NEXS A. Chorus about you know, understanding us. Yeah, that would be can't like that would be so fucking brilliant. Well, you guys are brilliant and thanks for being here and thanks for being on the Adventures pipe Man once again.

46:32 Thanks so much for hanging yeah, thanks for hanging out with. Thank you for listening to the Adventures of Pipelin. I'm w for c u I Radio.