Behind the Music with Tina Firefly: Beautiful Skeletons, Tour Stories, and Authenticity in Rock

0:04 Hi, you live then too, censure w see Wow where you you? This is the pipe Man here and the Adventures pipe Man W four c Y Radio. I'm very excited about our next guest because man, they got some killer music. So let's welcome to show. Tina Firefly from Beautiful Skeletons. How are you hi? I'm very good. I am happy to be on your show this afternoon. I'm assuming you're on the East Coast as well. I am. I am.

0:45 Where are you located? I'm in Raleigh, North Carolina. That's funny because, uh my kids. I have a couple of kids that live in North Carolina, so I do go through Raleigh. I'm in South Florida. Okay, not too far away. No, not bad. You know, I've made a lot of times I'll make that drive up to Raleigh. You know, sometimes it's easier and less time to just drive it. Yeah, fly anymore. Flying is such a dehumanizing experience. It makes you brow like there's nothing good about flying anymore. So now I suggested people take a fucking road trip because you really can't afford that ticket, only to be treated like absolute cattle.

1:28 No doubt. And I love road trips like some people can't deal with it. I've road tripped this country. I can't even count how many times anymore. I've road tripped Europe three times. I road tripped Costa Rica, you know. And like, the cool thing about road trips now that you bring it up, is that you get to see things that you normally wouldn't see because they're not tourist places. They're not things you would see on a plane or even a train or what have you. And it's like I'll just drive in, I'll look, I want WHOA, that's cool, and I'll just pull off and go check it out. Yeah, I mean, that's definitely a thing for road trips.

2:09 I'm still getting used to road trips pretty much. The only one I can stand without becoming violently ill is touring. But I think it's different. On a bus, it's a different movement. It's different. I can lay down if I need to, you. Know, and that's different than being in like control, like driving your own vehicle. Yeah. Yeah, touring, you know, I would like I go on tour and two covering chat music festivals all over the US, UK and Europe. Then I most of the time would rather fly unless it's close. Yeah, But if I'm just chilling and doing my thing, then there's nothing beats a road trip on your own terms, in your own vehicle, blasting music on the road away from all the insanity of the world.

3:00 For sure, it definitely has its charms. It has its charms. And I guts say too that I didn't get the note about the dress rehearsal, or else I would have been more prepared. We were talking about this before we came on, and I have a skeleton hoodie and I didn't even think about it. Usually I wouldn't think about that. Usually I wouldn't think about that. But I'm like, great, now you didn't give me the memo and I'm not prepared. That's okay. I screwed up my last scheduled time with you, so I'm just glad that you were managed to segue me in here this afternoon. But yeah, no skeleton costume required, and no doubt really wear something Brandy whenever I talk to anybody about the music, you know, like to connect the two skeletons people skeletons.

3:52 I love it. I love the whole concept of it. That's why I wanted to be on the same page. But I'm actually going to cover a Jack Johnson's show in a little while, and so like, I don't think wearing my you know, Slayer or something else shirt or my skeleton shirt really hoodie would really be appropriate at that show somewhere in my grateful bed shirt. To prove that metal heads don't just love metal, Okay, amen, I am a total metal head, but there's different vibes and different music, And like, I think a lot of people think that metal heads only listened to metal, Like we listen to a lot more music than most because metal came from other types of music.

4:40 I one hundred percent agree with that. I've noticed over the last decade. Or soever long it's been that I've been doing this in and out of other projects and stuff, that there are certain metal scenes that are really really pretentious. I kind of liking it to like how Seattle was in the. Fallout Boy era, you know, and everybody was emo core and like if you weren't seen. Then you you didn't belong. I mean, they would like point you out and go like what are you doing here? As if it's this like super elite, you know, forever category of people. But it really cracks me up to because I used to care about that. I used to care. So we would get booked for tours and we'd end up doing, you know, like a supporting band slot for let's say, like a metal core band or a death metal band or post punk band, something completely.

5:32 Opposite of what we're doing in most ways. And so we'll be in some basement somewhere performing at some venue and everyone's just moshing out and everyone's just going crazy, right, They're just there's a pit and everything, and as they're doing that, the first thing in my head is like, oh, fuck, I don't think we should do that ballad tonight. I feel like this is not inevitably. I'll come over to my guitarist and be like, nar, do you think we should take that out of our set list? I feel like these guys maybe wouldn't appreciate back there. And he's like, nah, he's the opposite of me. He's like, fuck it, let's play it. And I'm like nice, you know, always feels weird. But then I mean, i'd say eight times out of ten when we do it, there's a great reaction, which.

6:17 Is just really blows my mind. I mean, obviously there's gonna be hecklers and people that are like what are what is? There's always there's always the assholes. There's always the assholes. But I would say for most parts, surprising people take the crossover pretty well. Now. I mean, I don't know if that every time is like that. I still have that fear every time too, because I'm always like, oh no, when we look at our tour mates, I'm like. The we're on the lineup, are we? Yeah? It definitely depends, you know. What makes me feel good nowadays because I do come from the days of serious gatekeeping, okay, Like, and what makes me feel good is when I'm saying at a music festival with one hundred thousand metal heads and they're singing Backstreet Boys because that's what's playing over to speakers, and.

7:06 They're all into it. And I'm like, not that I'm a fan of Backstreet Boys, it's more of a fig of like, see, they're just metal heads and they just love music and it doesn't matter. Yeah, no, I mean, and I'm all into that. You know. I think maybe five or six years ago, the scene, at least along. The West Coast was pretty pretentious like that. If you walked in on a metal band lineup and you weren't, you know, specifically, whatever that genre of metal was. People just leave, you know, They're like, I don't know why they're here. It was really hardcore. Nowadays, I would say post COVID people are a little less picky about their metal. At least. My observation is there are lots that's cool.

7:49 Yeah, because I was part of that whole Sunset Strip eighties metal scene, and I talk about this a lot because it was so stupid. Back then, metal was such a small community. Punk was such a small community. The jocks were all beating the shit out of us and bullying us. But we would get into fights with each other. And I was a long hair. I couldn't go to punk shows. Punks couldn't go to metal shows. And then I was like, you know, the first gig I ever went to in a club was Motley Crue before they had an album, but they were horror punk. They weren't clam yet, okay. And I was just talking about this in an interview earlier. And then I, you know, I was at Slayer in Metallica's first show ever. So then I found my true calling. But my friends would be like, yeah, you need to burn all that Motley Cruse shit. Now I'm like, I'm not burning my shit.

8:42 Yes you are. We are burning that shit. You can't be a Slayer fan and have Motley Cruise shit. And it used to be like that even at the shows. Like if somebody showed up a Motley Crue T shirt to a Slayer show, they would get that shirt ripped off their back. Literally they would throw it up to top and Tom would burnet live on stage. You know. And I could say so many stories about like the punk stuff. Even now it's not as bad as it used to. Punks and metal heads are one community together, but there's still, like to your point, So, I was dating this singer of a hardcore punk band and she just couldn't get over the metal part, like she was that punk from way back where it was like, you know, the same thought process like.

9:33 A metal blah blah blah blah blah. And I ended up breaking off where because like, listen, I don't need abuse about a very similar music. Okay, that's just dumb, you know, And yeah, I think there's no place for it in twenty twenty six. Enough of the world is dividing us. We need to all stick together against those those people. Well, I think like the milk and honey times of music is what I call pre COVID, when you know, you could just have an outdoor festival fucking anywhere, you know, at any time, so many people came, brought their friends and family. That phase, you know, between COVID and the escalation of world events, I feel like that is forever scarred the face of how people attend live music and their opinions on the bands that they like and what they're willing to listen to crossover wise than before, which you know, I mean, obviously they don't like COVID, I don't like the escalation of world tension.

10:36 But I love that. There's been this new evolution of thinking amongst local music supporters where they're a little more educated about what indie bands have to go through to even get to their ears, and they're more and they're more open and willing to listen to crossover genres because nothing we do is new, nothing we do, nothing nobody does is new. We're all just like sampling our own personal you know, tastes and whatever and miss missmashing it with our bandmates. So I mean, in the end, it's not that we're doing anything new. So what's the difference between using crossover in the songs that you know, maybe it's metal jazz or maybe you know, I don't know metal like jug playing it doesn't It doesn't matter if it speaks to you, listen to it, don't care about what your stupid roommate next to you is telling you is that's not real metal, Like I feel like that mentality is so outdated now. I just don't see a lot of people doing it anymore. And it makes my heart happy though me.

11:35 Too, because I see a lot of blending of genres within bands, and I think it's necessary because then you have your own unique sound opposed to a lot of these other bands that are following this formula, it's because they're in some subgenre. No, that's when it's all sounds the same. Like you know, and you talked about metal jazz. I mean I think Megadeth immediately because mustain it plays jazz guitar in his metal, you know, and metal is a derivative of classical music, so you know. And then a very proud moment recently was a welcome to Rockville and we were getting evacuate code red because of weather and Waka flocka Flame was playing and instead of evacuating, he jumps off the stage and started.

12:28 A mosh pit during his set. You know, like, so if Waka flocka Flame is do it starting a mosh pit, man, we can all get together and we could all get along, you know, and everybody was having a blast. You can find it on YouTube too, Like everybody was having so much fun. And that's the key. It's supposed to be fun, you know, and like and to me, live music, I don't even have to like the music. If it's live music, I like it, you know, Like, yes, you know there's some artists that I'll see live and I love it, but I'm not going to listen to their music in the car because it's not really my jam.

13:09 But the environment, you know, you. Can appreciate their craft right exactly. You can appreciate that they go out there, they put on a performance. It's not your kind of music, but they still did it. They did it for the fans. You know, they're not making shit, you. Know, it's fun. I was covering festival ones and I always had this thing of like, I don't get the whole idea of a DJ doing a concert like, yes, yes, And I was like, okay, if I go to nightclub, I get it. But then I did do a festival where Scritics and bass Nectar were performing, and I kind of got it.

13:50 It was weird, but I kind of got it while I was there because I was like, holy shit, these people are just having a blast and like it's its big performance. Now. Do I call that music per se? No? But it was entertaining, So that that's the difference. Like, and if you're having fun, that's all that matters. You know. If you're a DJ, you may be a great DJ. Are you a music artist? No, because you're not creating music, okay, but you're doing something entertaining, you know. And I think we have to look at different perspectives sometimes on a lot of different things. And you know, I. Mean, listen, with all the shit going on in the world and what happened with COVID, I don't care if some kid gets up on stage and plays a recorder.

14:38 I won't be at that live show because that few years was hell. And like, to me, there's no better feeling than being a live music event, and. There's no better feeling than playing live. I mean, we all played in our kitchens and bathrooms and garages and webcam what we can. But I mean that's just not it's not the same. You know, my guitarists and I were both the we call ourselves addicts. You know. We're like, playing is our addiction. It's it's what we do everything for us to play live. Everything else is just a byproduct of playing live or a way to get you to come see us to play live. So whenever we talk about it, we always start doing this. We're like, yeah, it's been too long, I'll do this.

15:25 And during COVID it was like, I don't I didn't get the streams. It didn't do anything for me. Like, and I'm thinking myself, Man, that's gotta be really tough on the artist, because the artist feeds off the crowd. I don't care if it's one person, you know, but like trying to play like you're playing a concert with nobody there, that's a little weird. And I will say too that. You know what, playing your instruments and being a musician is what matters to me, Like, I don't care if you make mistakes. I'd rather have merce and mistakes than perfection. And I'd rather you be able to still do a show even if your backing tracks aren't working, your laptop's not working.

16:12 Like come on a perfect example. One of the best shows I was ever at was at a Danny Wimmer festival and it was bad flower and Josh had laryngitis so he couldn't sing. They didn't cancel the gig. They came out, he played his guitar, he didn't sing. He had the crowd sing the songs and they did and it was so much fun. Like that's an exception, Like that's an exception. But I would say like for most emerging artists, it's that doesn't quite work out in their favors. Sometimes.

16:53 I used to bitch about this all the time because you know, you've listened to the album we have. I do harmonies, I do backup whatever the guys have. We only have one guitarist, but he does two of pree guitar parts who were track an album. And we have for the last eight years been on this like never ending debate of do. We want to use backing tracks for a few things in the background, do we want to venture into that territory? And there's always just so much We're always so passionately torn. Like half the members are like, yes, we need to do the other help are like, fuck no, we don't want that hassle. So as a result, we just haven't done it. We're plugging play. And when we go on tour with other bands, especially with bigger bands, I mean, it's always there's you know, there's the.

17:36 Laptop being the sixth member or whatever. And I personally really wanted that. I wanted to have like the synth and everything in the background. And the second tory ever went on, I saw the laptop actually take a shit on stage and saw the aftermath of what happened to the band, who, to their credit, try, they tried. They tried to do it, but everybody was so thrown off by the fact that this was going but the tracks. Weren't, and so it was just this not great performance. And that day I went to my drummer, because he's very like no packing tracks. I went to him and I'm like, okay, I see what you mean, Like that horrible, And I would be the one that would have to talk about it right to try it and get everybody to be like ooh, so's.

18:22 You gotta be able to go with the flow. And go with the punches, and you know. I talk about this because it's so in my mind. Nineteen eighty three d Us Festival, Van Halen was headlining and they start playing the song and talking about love and David lee Roth is not singing and they look over at him and then three hundred thousand people there and he yells over the microphone, I fucking forgot the words, and the whole place just roared like it was the best thing that ever happened. And that's what makes him a great front man, because it was like, you know what, he fucked up, admit it, said it to the audience and made it like it was fun.

19:08 You know, when you get I hope when if we do it, you know, or for anyone who gets to that level from independent more national, and people at your show are singing every single word to your song. Like at that point I'd be okay with it, But for us nobody bands. You stop singing your song and people just look at you like your fucking nuts. So that doesn't quite work in our situation. You know, if that sixth member goes out or fifth member goes out, it's like, yeah, I hope, I hope you guys can still pick up where you are in this song even though gone gone, Well. You gotta improvise a little or like I've sat side stage some some a couple of times and seen a singer behind the curtain and I'm like, I'd rather have heard a shitty voice than that. That's my opinion. I'd rather have the person singing fuck it up.

20:05 I gotta say. The weirdest thing for me though, because I really didn't grow up going to contests or anything, but the weirdest thing for me is like when we would watch a band with, you know, one guitarist, have five guitarist tracks live, and at that point they're not even trying to pretend like. They're they're playing other parts. They just stop playing. Uh. And then it's like the bassis is playing, but the guitarist is all getting a drink of water side stage, but there's all this guitar going and I'm just like, what. The hell, I'm crazy. Yeah, I'm not down with that. Like I want musicians to be musicians, and you know what, we're all human, we all screw up. You're not expected, but that's like okay. As an example, that's what made the Grateful dead great is that there was no set ever that was exactly the same, because it just jammed and they didn't go by the studio version. If I want just a studio version, I'll listen to the album.

21:05 I want a live performance, live music, and I want to see that you're human, okay, because listen, we all make mistakes in everything we do. You know, we're all our own worst critics. Too, musicians especially. Yeah, it's a group. Exactly, but you know what, most of the people in the crowd don't even know when. You screw up. So true, so true. I can't I can't tell you how. I mean pretty much every almost every show I jump off the stage. I'm like, that was fucking horrible. I couldn't hear you in the chorus. On the last one, I was trying to signal Jason and he didn't fucking see me. I tripped over my ex alarm cable.

21:46 I hit my fucking I mean, like, I will literally tally every single thing in. My head that did not go according to plan. And the moment that I am getting my shit to get the fuck off stage, that's what's running through my head is like, God, damn it, you know, And I'm thinking, like, I need to watch. The playback and see if it was as bad as I think it was. And nine times out of ten it's totally fine, like we'll notice it because we wrote it. But everybody else is just like, oh, it's great, you know exactly. We're hard on ourselves. Yeah, and even me in what I do, Like, I can't tell you how many times I come off an interview I'm like, fuck, why did I say that? Why did I do this? This?

22:27 Oh? I sucked? And then and then the artist is saying, man, that was so much fun. That was a great interview out Okay if you say so. There's only two types, though, I gotta say there's only two types, right. So there's there's your type, yours and my types. Right. We're always self deprecating, criticizing, pushing for perfection, accepting nothing less, being true to ourselves. And then there is the other type where they're actually not as good as they think, but you can't tell them that, and. They will surround themselves with everybody who is their yes man, so that inflates their ego even more. And the bigger. Their ego gets, the even shittier their performance and their music gets So I feel like it's a dichotomy. It's a weird dichotomy.

23:12 I think you will favor those people. Most of those people are the ones that had one hit like twenty years ago, ten years ago, nothing else, and they think they're God's. Gift to music. Okay, I know this is an interview, you're interviewing me, but I'm going to ask you a question. Because I love it. I love it. You've been everywhere. You're talking about bucking and festivals and everything. Right, so tell me, and I guess, don't like, get yourself fired and give me a name if you think it's going to get around. But tell me what artist if you can, or tell me a story about an artist that was you know, famous or semi famous up there who was a total fucking dick wad and just shattered your illusion of you know, looking up to this arts.

24:02 So I will tell you that I've been pleasantly surprised through all the years of how many artists are coolest shit that other people say are dick wads. Perfect example I'm going to give you right now is a lot of other. Press people have said stuff that's. Well, listen to other press people or anybody for that manner for my own opinion that Amy Lee is a bitch. Let me tell you something. My experience with Amy Lee is the exact opposite, at nicest person ever, sweet as pie. I have nothing bad to say about her, and my viewpoint is is those other people didn't get what they wanted out of her, and then she's a bitch, okay, and it's bullshit.

24:50 Okay. Now, on the other hand, in answer to your question, there is one person I won't his name. He's pretty big, Okay, He's not really liked by anybody, okay, because like he's the type that if somebody's smoking backstage a huge festival, we're not talking a small area. He gets the whole plate in backstage shut down where nobody's allowed to smoke. Like you don't like it, so go away from it, you know, like you don't go into your dressing room.

25:33 You don't have to deal with it. I'll tell you somebody else that I will mention names because I don't care that I totally thought was a bitch on stage. Didn't meet her face to face, but on stage she was a bitch. And it reminds me because it's smoking, we're at a music festival, an open air music festival. She stopped to set. Four times to tell people not to smoke, and if they did smoke or vape, she was walking off stage like, you can't tell a crowd of one hundred thousand people at a festival outside that they can't smoke. Okay, it's it's music festival. You're in the long fucking business man.

26:23 And she was bitching about a bunch of things, like to the crowd, to the crowd, great voice, phenomenal voice. But when I saw that, I was like, no, until he turned off by that person that. Was Stevie Nicks. No, yep. And I never imagined her to be like that, but man, she was acting like she was everybody's mother in the audience, you know, and telling them what to do and listen, there's let people have fun. Listen. I get it if the smoke bothers you, I get it for all the reasons.

27:08 But you can't talk to the crowd like that. Wait, solution. You know how many gigs have you done in all your career that there was no smoking at all? Like, come up with it. Even inside venues where you're not allowed to smoke, people are still smoking Okay, it's. A territory, man. That's like, you know, when I remember when smoking was allowed in bars. Okay, I'm an ex smoker, obviously, I think I remember. When when smoking was in bars. And I remember the day that they enacted the actual no smoking inside even at a bar. And I watched the entire audience leave after the second song because they wanted to go out and have a cigarette with their beer. And what am I going to say, like, Hey, smoking's bad for you.

27:58 I know I smoke, but smoking's bad for you. While I'm singing, so stay, you know, like their things, I couldn't say anything. And I and I get it, like they it's a bar, it's what they want to do. And I remember thinking at the time, like this is going to really piss me off. I need I need to figure out a way to arrange the set so that people have, you know, a quick five minute breather. Even if I only have like twenty five minutes, I'll. Go like, okay, we're gonna, you know, change something around real quick if you want to go steal a smoke and come right back, you know. And people were appreciative of that because you could tell they wanted to stay. But at the same time, three beers in. You know, Marcoro's calling. So that's a former smoker. Yeah, I would totally love you for doing that, because it's not that I want missing part of your set.

28:43 It's just I need a fucking cigarette. Man, it's calling you. Yeah, I get it, you know. So I remember doing that, and then my bandmates at the time, not these guys, but my bandmates at the time were like. Why the hell did you say that? Everybody? I was like, but everybody came back within five minutes like, no shit, I said that, and people were like sweet. So they went out, they puffed down a cigarette real quick, stumped it out, and came back in once they heard the music going. And I was like, you tell, okay, how about this. I'll try the next time. I'll say, you know, hey, don't go nowhere, we only have twenty five minutes. Hang onto your cigarettes for twenty five minutes. Terrible reaction, and I knew it would be, and so I refersed it halfway through the set. I'm like, just joking, go smoke, We'll be right back, you know. But you could tell that people were like, what are you telling me to do?

29:29 You know? So it's just one of those. Things I knew that was gonna change the face of how crowds interacted on top of everything else, you know. So I don't know, personally, I think that's overstepping. These are the people that buy your record. These are the people that showed up at the door. Keep sure, we. Stopped in your set multiple times to yell at people like she was scolding people. And I'm like, crazy, if these people ever go see you again, they're stupid, because if she was scolding me, I certainly wouldn't go see her again. You know, type of thing now. But here's what I find also in answer to your question, I rate artists on three different levels. There's the icons who have no idea they're rock stars because they are icons, and they're just cool as shit, Like why I've interviewed Learned Skinner. They were laughing the whole interview, like they don't take themselves seriously. Because most icons don't wake up early in the career and say I want.

30:37 To be a rock star. It's the douchebags that say that, yes, yes. The real musicians could give a shit less or don't even want that, like Kurt Cobain did. Not want that at all at all. Okay, if it was up to him, he would just stay in the hotel room and. Play a guitar with Courtney. You know. That was how he was. And that's a true musician. That's a true artist, you know. So then there's to the bottom run the emerging. Artists and new artists. They're totally cool as shit too because they haven't had a chance of an ego yet, okay, and they just are starving to be able to play, and so they're really cool. It's the middle ones, it's yeah, the ones that either, like I said, had some fame like ten twenty years ago, five years ago that they hold on to forever, or they're just like they think they're the icons.

31:40 They think they're better than everybody else, and they're not, and that's why they're not the icons. Yep, yeah, no, it's I agree. I would even add to that, at least from my observation. There's a slight layer right below that middle, and that's local bands who have been kicking around the same project and have you know, done. Bions here and their tours you know. And you know, they come into a show as like a direct support for a national act or whatever with the other local events. But they act like they are the biggest, hottest shit in the entire world, and they tend to be the worst as far as like personalities go backstage to other musicians or we're just looking at them, like, bro, I know where you live.

32:28 You live like twenty miles that way. I fucking see you a goddamn Whole Foods every fucking Saturday, Like how are you? How do you think that your shit don't stink? We come from the same area, done the same things, Like how fucking dare you be like that? You know, it's just crazy to me that you have absolutely zero accolades, Not that you think that having accolades and this excuse to be a shitty human being, but those ones tend to be you know, just cracks me up. I'm like, who the fuck are you? Right? Don't exactly And a lot of them they forget where they come from too. I think the icons that are nice as could be and have no ego, they don't forget.

33:09 They don't forget they got them there, you know. And you know, like I always say, an overnight success takes about twenty years. Nice I agree with that. Yes, yeah, so let's tell everybody how they can reach out to you guys on socials, on the web, how they can check out your new album Pulseline Scar and more importantly by your merch because they can't listen to my show unless they buy your merch. Hell yeah, So I would say that the easiest way to find us is either YouTube just typing in the band name, or link tree.

33:50 Link tree will have all of the links Facebook, Twitter, Apple Music, Google Music, Amazon Music, all of the things, everything that's going on right now has a spot within our link tree that you can just click once and go to where you need to go. So that would be the best way to check us out. We are going to end up, you know, obviously on Spotify. That'll drop on the twenty first, and you'll be able to stream it at that point. But there is a link to purchase on our link tree as well too. And well we have vinyls coming up and we have regular CDs as well. But you know, these days, streaming is like one of the main stays. I would say for people who want to support us, one of the biggest things is, like you said, buying merch and coming to shows, because I think it's important for our audience to get educated in the world of disillusioned musicians.

34:44 For example, Spotify. You know, you can get one hundred and fifty thousand, half a million plays and get a check for twenty cents. After always sending. That I pay more royalties than Spotify does, there's something wrong with that. Absolutely, and all of the other things that go into getting something ready for people to consume, just even getting the information to them is highly costly. So definitely, buy merch help support us, but more than anything, we just want to interact with people who like our music. You can always buy merch at a show as well, in addition to buying it online. But yeah, if you do end up coming out to see us on any of our upcoming shows, you know, just stop by.

35:27 I will always be at the merch. Booth after a set, talking with people and just kind of hanging out. And if you've seen us from the Adventure of Pipemin, just let me know. Hey, you know, I saw you on an interview at the Pipemin and I will give you a free shirt nice. And I gotta tell you I saw two lines that I absolutely loved. One was where it was said delivering an album that doesn't simply ask to be heard, it demands to be felt. That that is a great eight line because music is felt, it's not just heard. And I think that is the problem with stuff like Spotify and this track track track mentality, because kids today they're just listening, they're not feeling it. They're not immersing themselves in the music. And I think with everything going on in the world, we need to immerse ourselves more and more in music to get our therapy.

36:26 Agreed, Agreed, and discovering your music, because I mean, the world can stop, but the creation of things never does, especially music. So if anything that I appreciate about technology is at least now the indie band or the everyday musician, or even just somebody who likes to you know, DJ in their bedroom at night when everyone's gone to bed, all of those people still have the same ability to reach a large number of ears. So I appreciate that about technology. But yeah, I mean it's I you'll be able to hear us at a show. You can buy things, but it's so much better to come and feel it. It's no, no, yeah, what we do on CD is great, right, like our recording. I'm very proud of this album. However, pretty much every fan that's ever come to see us live after having heard us, it's like, whoa, I didn't expect it. It had it had it gave me a physical connection to what you're saying. And those are the words that make my heart happy because I'm.

37:28 Like, holy shit, then that's what we're trying to do. Yay nice And the other line that I like, and I like it because I can't stand genres. I can't stand playing artists in a box, and that box keeps getting smaller and smaller. So I saw where it said trying to categorize beautiful skeletons has never been easy, and they prefer it that way, and I love that because that's the way I prefer it as well. Absolutely. I mean, we can talk, we can talk to we're blue in the face about our favorite genres, what our influences there were, you know, what we would listen to on a daily basis. But the reality is like you're just one person in a in a bigger, you know pie.

38:14 All of us contribute to the ingredients of that pie, and us having completely opposite influences. Myself and the other guys in the band that in my opinion, that's what makes it so that when we. Do create music, we create what we do. I mean, it's just very unique to us, not even being influenced by the same frickin. Thing all the time. Yes, yeah, and. I feel like that had out of all the bands and projects I've ever been in, I think this is the most unique, and that's why I've stuck with it the longest, because it's so hard to find other musicians that are okay being sort of fringe of whatever genre that you say that you take your inspiration from. Like, for example, our Basis love him to death. He loves country, and we railed him all all the time, like it's always a joke about Jason's like favorite whatever country artists, right, But even then, he is the best Basis I've ever worked with because he's doing walking basslines on like Adgenti track and it sounds fucking sick, you know. And that's that's exactly why I feel like having those opposite influences, if you can lock into the right tap into the right feeling, it doesn't matter, you know, And we end up shooting tracks out left and right.

39:36 I mean, it's ridiculous. We have hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of songs that we've written just from jamming and just stored away in the bolt, you know, for future use, because we just have so much musical chemistry. And that's a that's very very important. But I do think you see that on stage two when we play. That's key, and I think it is extremely important. And I think the chemist Street is way more important than the genre. Agreed. Agreed. We had trouble getting a drummer for a while, getting a drummer that you know is the right fit and had the availability to stay and and and gig and tour like we want. And we didn't limit ourselves to you know, you know, looking for a metal drummer, you know, looking for a prov metal drummer.

40:23 None of that. I mean, it was just come hang out with us, don't bother learning any songs, Let's jam for an hour. That's how we auditioned people. And it is a tried and true method. We've had people come and try to play a song and you know it could work out, but it's when we start jamming that I'm. Like, all right, what do you do when you don't know what you're doing? That's what I want to know because at some. At some point on stage, you're not gonna fucking remember what you're supposed to be doing. And I don't want you to just stop playing midway through the song and go oh wait, shit, I miss No. I need to know what you're gonna do under pressure, and not only that, can you keep it under pressure, but can you create under pressure quickly? You know?

41:07 And it's just the best audition process ever. And that's how we landed on the lineup we have now, which I'm very happy with. So I love that. That is a that is a beautiful plan for auditioning, I think, you know, And it reminds me at times like Okay, Randy Rhodes, he was tuning his guitar and Aussie hired him because he was tuning his guitar, Like. Shit, I didn't know that. I didn't know that. Yeah wow, So that's insane. Like that, like one of the best guitarists ever. And obviously there was something heard in that, you know, opposed to just playing a song, you know, because they ain't Mady could play a song, like you said, not anybody but anybody that's a musician that knows how to play exactly but not anybody can just off the cuff do something when everything's gone the hell, Yeah, you have to do something.

42:08 Yeah, yeah, you know. I mean, I think we've all had our share of a fucking up life, like we were talking about earlier, and you know, I personally feel like I probably had more of a share of that because as a front woman, obviously everyone's looking at me before anyone else, and so there's pressure there. But you know, like I used to care, and I'd say these days for the most part, as long as I didn't like flash my cootie at the wrong person by accident, you know, and it was a meaningful flash, and I. Targeted somebody that would be different. But there's not very there's not very much that can't embarrass me anymore other than like a truly shitty vocal performance, I guess. But like I mean, I'd fallen off my riser and literally tripped right into the drum set. I picked up my mic and go all right, well, good thing I didn't crack my head.

42:59 Keep going. I was at the front of a stage that had like these weird blocks that they put so that the vocalists could like kind of get out past the stage but didn't tell anyone that. The blocks were like pushed together like Ikia furniture. So of course I step in this dark and it's right through the crack. I had somebody actually catch me before I bit it and put me back on stage, didn't stop singing, didn't say a fucking thing about it. I jumped. I'm tiny, okay, like I'm short. And we were playing at a venue that the stage was like way far off the ground, and I just I had this moment where I was like, fuck it, I'm gonna jump right and I jumped and then I realized I landed. Everything was cool, and then I looked back as I'm singing, I look back and realized it's way.

43:40 Taller than I can pull my fatus up there. I'm like, I have to run around the audience through that I can up onto the stage. My mic was corded at the time, so obviously I can't take the lark cable with me. So halfway through my phreezing, I unclipped it through it back on stage, ran threw the crowd up on stage, grabbed it. The guys were looking at me like, what the fuck is happening? Yet? Grab it? Plug it? In didn't miss a fucking Everybody's like, it's that kind of shit, you know. In my head, I'm like that that was terrible. I'll never live that down. And the opposite happened. People were like, that was fucking sick exactly.

44:20 People love that shit. I saw Vincent Price of Body count Iced Tea's band jump off the stage just like you a high stage. Broke his leg on the jump and kept playing Whoa and they came over with it. They came over with like a wheelchair or something later, but for a few minutes he was just lying on the ground playing with broken leg, and then he played the rest of the gig down there because they dropped him up. So that's that's metal. That is crazy, that's se That's the stuff that like in the moment, you're like this is dead.

45:03 I'm dead, Like that's it's over. I'm gone, like this is gonna be talked about. But then you come out the other side and it's really about your own reaction, right Like had I like started crying and decided to run out of the venue, you know, I mean, that would have been bad. But obviously I just fake it till you make it sometimes, and that was one of those things where it's just like, all right, well, the worst that can happen is I miss averse, like who fucking cares? And that I feel like that just over time gets better. But I've seen Jim Morrison as an example. He used to fuck up all the time, fall over the stage, get arrested, and like he's still one of the most beloved artists ever. So yes, yeah, anyway, thanks a lot for giving us. It's great music. People have to check it out because you guys rock. Thanks for being on the Adventures of Pipe Man.

45:56 Hey, you guys, chill have a wonderful day and we'll talk to you next day. Thank you for listening to the Adventures of Typeman on w for c u I Radio.