Banjo, Violin, and Metalheads: Wüstenberg Redefines Festival Music at Wacken

0:04 Hi you havent ruee wow for you your. This is the pipe man here on the Venturance pipe Man W four C Y radio and I'm here with you're here with Wustenberg. I have never said it like that, and I do always have band say their band name, because my biggest fear is pronouncing it wrong. Yeah, especially if it's an American band. But can you repeat it because I want to know how it sounds if you say. It Wustenberg Utstenberg. Yes, yes, yes, closing up very nave.

0:46 You did it. Yeah. You know we have the two dots on the U like monthly Crue has it. Yes, yes, yeah, the umlaut we say in German. Yeah, you know, we figured it might be a problem for the international gigs because everyone is like on the keyboard like fucking hill, I don't have the U with a two dots on it, and they have to copy it and paste it. So it's it's gonna be Wolstenberg in the international area. I tell them to just do what I've done at different countries. Change your keyboard to the keyboard of that country. You see, You're good, right, because I had that problem at first too. I'm like, oh wait, let me do this, and you know what, I do like the fact that you turned us around for the video because having the background of the anniversary of VAK in twenty twenty six. Yeah, I do have to say something. I hope they don't get pissed at me. But I didn't interview them anyway, so who cares. I heard def Leppard say whacken wackon.

1:48 If you're gonna come to a festival and another country, you might want to study how to say it. Just say it, especially if it's a cuss word in your own language. You know it's whack I love it. So besides being German, how did you end up here at Vakin? Oh? I don't know why the hell am I might answer, I don't really know, because especially we don't really play metal. I'm the only one who looks and listens to metal.

2:30 I think it might have to do with our music, hopefully, And yeah, I think it might have been connections from the past or something. But no, no, my wish is that it's just our music because they wanted us. Or maybe it's they looked at you only and they're like, oh, they're a metal band, let's bring them on. Yeah, yeah, Yeah. The shred and benjo. That's just the sole reason. I do love that though. Okay, thank you says I love. I do love a band Joe, and that you can shred on a banjo. That's fucking badass. And you know he has a mean thunderstruck going on his banjo. Nice. I can place it in a though.

3:12 I have no B string. I have no B string on it. Were you playing last night out by the fire, because they did have like Celtic stuff going on. It wasn't wasn't a snoow. I know it wasn't you, but you know, I was thinking to myself, like, this is really cool. Two of my favorite things in one festival. Because I'm a virgin the Vadkan. This is my first year in Vodkan. I love the Renaissance Festival and Celtic festivals and I love metal. So I come here and I get both. Have to go to two separate places and now and now, right down the street from me, there's a bluegrass band, so I get my banjo here too. How did this band all come about? And why did you recruit a metalhead? Yeah?

4:08 I think Frantz, our lead singer who writes all the songs here. He wanted to reinvent his own style and his new music music, and he kind of like needed new musicians for it. So he looked around, asked all the friends that he had and his vocal vocal coach, and the rest is history. Nice. You have to say that fans knew at least three of us in advance, and we all asked around between friends and family and so, do you know anybody who could play in this band? And so yeah, but he did a fantastic job in picking out the persons who actually ended up in the band, because I love them all.

4:54 They're all great human beings and great musicians. Keep the mic for a se Yeah, I want to answer your question, how does a metal head get into banjo? Well, well, I first came to guns n' rolls, Smotahead and all this stuff through my brother and then my parents listened to the dublin Us since the sixties and they brought me to that. And when I decided to play Irish music myself, I needed something that I could play with the same technique that I did on the on the electric guitar, so I chose the benjo and the rest is history. And so I don't know, maybe I'm making this up, but I kind of thought maybe drop Kip Murphy's why do in the band? And he turned them down so you could join this band.

5:41 Absolutely, yes, yes, this was more promising. So since you're not metal, how would you describe your music as an artist? I asked of a metal band too, because there's so many genres and sub genres and micro genres that it's ridiculous already, like each genre has its own band. You know, how do you describe your music as general as artists? Because I hate artists being boxed into oh, we're this, we're metal, we're punk, we're pop, we're blah blah blah, because to me, an artist is an artist, and artists will experiment in all kinds of music.

6:32 In my opinion, I think the best box you could put us in, if you wanted to put us into a box, it would be folk rock, I guess because of the electric guitars, because of the folk instruments. But what I really love about the music of Ustenberg is I think you can kind of hear our individual DNAs on record and on the stage because Bea and Cut and Zemon Well, they're incredible musicians. In the Irish tread tread style. And if you ever hear Cut playing the flute or be playing the fiddle, it's insane. You know, it's like you're sitting there and you feel like you're in County Mayo or wherever it's it's brilliant.

7:20 And then I think more on. This side of the room, you have the the Motohead guys, and I love blues rock for instance. Fans and I we share love for bands like Luck and Poe, you know a little bit. Of rock, and I inver viewed them when they before they got bit but I love them. Yeah, They're amazing. They're insane. They're absolutely insane, great idols of ours, and I think if you really listen carefully you can hear a lot of that going on in the Wustenberg stuff. I want to even marry one of them, but she married Tyler and that as all.

8:03 Just one thing. We've got a rearrange going on from classic so our influences and what we listen to is from classical music to death metal all the way through and everything in between. Funds, although he writes all the songs, is very good at letting all the influences into the music and let it, just letting it flow and then saying stop at the right moment. And all props to funds. I think he's very very good at playing to our strengths, so he also kind of I sometimes feel like when you bring the songs to a rehearsal or something, there's a very specific and this part is especially tailored for you.

8:44 Nice and he actually looks like the Irish one, you know. But speaking of boxes, I try to write the band description and I thought, okay, I don't want. To be pressed into a box. But then again, everyone keeps asking about boxes and where to put us, and I think we're like a like a like a Swiss knife. You know, you can have us mainstream festivals. You can have us on metal festivals, and we will leave our mark on the festivals with our music. But you know, they really don't know where to put us. And I like that because there is a Celtic spark in it. But it's only a spark. It's not an Irish band, you know, right. And although I like the caps because I don't have much hair, so it's I know, it's a radio so you know, imagine a guy with imagine the metal head has long hair and imagine the singer has little hair and a cap on it to you know, protect the little hair, right, And yeah, you know, I think we do music we love. Everyone puts their DNA in it and it is what it is in the end, and it's up to others to decide what they think where to put it, because I think everyone on a festival will put it in a different box.

10:05 Some people will say it's so emotional for me, and some others will say, man, that. Was a loud band. They were so energetic, and you know it depends yeah, yeah, maybe not on Vacan, but on other festivals we're the loudest band, you know, So it depends on the on the person. And I love that. I love that there's no boundary and you know, it's I think it's a sign of the times that boundaries should be less. There is so much mix up and how people dress. You know, have you looked around Maybe not on Waking. Because they're all in black T shirts, fuck it, you know, but festival to say that, yeah, but in the world, you know, in the world, people mix up like they want to mix up things.

10:54 People listen to the Beatles. And to Guta Lacks they just played, and you know, I have all this penises, blow up penises. You know, it's there's a lot of bands using blow up penises. What is that all about. I can't see why they are doing it because it's tiktokable. That's true. Like and Guard they have four penises. What no, only one? Only blow has four pences. He's the king penis. So it took us five minutes to go to penises.

11:34 Well he started it like, I'm going to take your lead, But do you have to like beep it out in the US? No, fuck the US, Yes, don't beep it. We won't. We're not beeping ship. But you know what I love about what you're saying too is I've been saying this for a while. I'm an old school metal head. But metal when in the eighties, the bands didn't sound the same because there aren't all these micro and subgenres. I mean, really, Motorhead is rock and roll, you know, but we put it into metal. Okay, and it is metal, but it's really rock and roll. And even Lem always said, it's just all rock and roll. And that's the point, Like we don't have to separate and divide everybody. The governments are doing enough of that, we don't need to do it too. And then here's the thing. Like in metal, and you'll probably agree with this. Nowadays, it's almost like they're using an algebraic equation to make their music. There's this formula, so if your metalcore, it must sound like this, and then all the bands end up sounding exactly the same.

12:55 And you know, when I was young, people say, oh, these two bad sounds, saying like, no, they don't. Now if they say that, I'm like, yeah, I can't tell the difference, you know. And so I love the blending of genres because let's face it, I don't know whether they admit or not. I don't know one metal head that only likes metal, not one, you know. And like, you're talking about classical and death metal. Okay, so first of all, and death metal even more so. But metal is a derivative of classical music and death metal even more so. And like the musicianship and death metal like it's insane. But the average person doesn't think of it that way because why they think it's loud and it's just noise. But if you sat there and just listen to the intricacies underneath, you would hear it, because I'll listen to a death metal band and I'll just hear like the underneath bar and go, fuck, these guys are great musicians. But if you're just looking at the surface, just like anything, you're not gonna get that. Just like if you look at the surface of people, of where they're from, what their skin color is, or sexual orientation, why you just get to know the person instead of the label you want to put on them. Same with music.

14:18 So no label for your band. Fuck that I think of well greatly put in words, I think of it that way. Cherish all the difference, differences, cherish all the influences that could inspire you exactly. It's interesting because I'm the bass player in this band and on this festival alone, where so many of my hero bass players from when I grew up. And would I go to a pop festival and find so many of the artists that are really that taught. Me my chops? I don't think so. So yeah, he's so right there you go. Let's let the lay have some time here. The first thing I want to talk to you about cat is metalla cat uh.

15:11 Yeah, Well, so I'm half French, same as beer and. And we want French in the interview too. I got first too, Like when I was talking to you, I was, oh, French says, we're talking hell Fest. So it's like we could do this as a French German. It's kind of like if we were in Belgium, we could just have all the languages. Never matter. So yeah, I've got a French name, which is it's spelled like the English. Catherine said. Yeah, so in Germany everybody says Katerino and I was so upset with that.

15:55 So yeah, people just started calling me kat as a short form, and the Irish people cat. So I found this T shirt and look good, well this is my T shirt. I mean it's perfect and even with the song nothing else meals. It's brilliant. So somebody told me that, you know, Ian Anderson of Jeff rot Al wanted to join the band, but these people here said you were better. So that's why you're in the band at the Flu for people that don't know, at the Flu, Yeah at the Flu.

16:36 Yeah, yeah, yeah, got it. Yeah, I'm playing the piano. Here, So who's the floutest. Didn't somebody say that? That's what Army said. She's a brilliant floutest. But she is in the band for organ and piano, So why aren't you bringing in the flute with the po and the organ, like you could just come you can use your feet on the piano. So that's that's where I got. When we're talking in the beginning and he said flowtest, I thought, oh, well she's the floutest. Let's go there. Well, obviously for transportation issues, we can't transport a flout it's a flute. It's too you know, it's too big. Yeah, it is pretty big. Yeah. I especially like how you said the flow Yeah, because he.

17:21 Said floutest, and I thought, is this the word for someone who plays the flute? Yes, yes, it might be, so i'm it is. See there was that language barrier right there. Don't feel bad. Most Americans don't know either. Okay, so tell us how you came to the band, and you know what brought you to the piano and oregon and the flute, since you play that anyway, even though you know you leave that out of the band. Okay, Well, the way I started playing the flute is again as I'm how French. At home, I had the opportunity to listen to Celtic French, Irishish music from side and like typical German schlager from my mom's side, that choice.

18:06 Was not difficult, so nice. Yeah, I picked up My dad used to play the guitar, so he took me to all the Irish sessions around and I picked up the flute at some point. Yeah. Then, well, the job I learned. I'm a trained piano maker, so obviously I had to play a little bit of piano. So I started playing the piano to do the job. And but yeah, that's kind of fun. So in the first band I played in, Yep. She learned it just for the job, judge, but she became increasingly good.

18:46 Also, sorry, piano maker is an understatement, because she learned at Steinway. WHOA, well, that's why you got her in the band. And I'm playing an electrical piano now. Yeah, but yeah, so that's how I came to the piano. And then Zeemon and I we are friends for quite a long time by now, and it's ten years, I guess. Yeah, And in the end it was Zeemon talking to friends. I don't know how exactly this went on. Actually, Okay, so Zeemon was asked if you knew somebody who plays the piano and yeah, yeah, so my name came in and I'm so so thankful that I ended up in this band.

19:41 Oh I love that. And you have to see the expression on her face that was like truly she's gotten emotional over it. I love that. Let's go to you. Okay, so my question first question for you is so, yeah, I also heard that Linn he's Stirling. She applied for the band and they're like, no, you're not good enough. We need her, you. Know, Frisia Lindsay Stlier. As it comes as the classes music, yeah have Midnoonian classes music, gig gliand on have done. Yeah, side music, Gland and Glove, Pleasure, A Kindness, I annoy you and Yesdia music from France. It's not man guns and veiled formation rock as we have any might a woman of fucking Spieler with mana.

20:50 You know if I can't, because you know what I was waiting for the only word I would understand, schiskoff, and it was nowhere in there. So I'll give it my best. Bia started out playing the violin at nine years old, and she started playing classical music and then later on she discovered this whole world of Irish music, and that really turned her head and she loved playing it. And now with Wustenbach, the thing is that it's a whole new world again and she never would have imagined playing fucking off all places with her violin, and she really enjoys it.

21:36 And she also forgot what the question was. I know, I do know. I caught that she brought up Lindsay Sterling a couple of times. She probably didn't even know what I was saying. Okay, so maybe somebody translated to her what I said. And I'll say it again that Lindsay Sterling applied to be in the band and they said you're you're not good enough and she had to be in the band. Yeah, yeah, not to if I can have a few better feeling that as a Lindsay Sterling macho.

22:22 Yeah, let me guess, she just said, as a Lindsay Sterling fan. Did I get that right? No? Probably not. That's what it sounds like to me. I'll give it my best, she just said, of course, because I'm better than her. I love that. So I was right. I wasn't right about the translation, but I was right about what I said in English. To be fair, to be fair, put it in the right light. She then said, I love what she does. So I was close. I was kind of close. It did sound like it was some kind of thing that was complimenting Lindsey Sterling. That's what I was picking up.

23:08 You know, what do you have to know about Bea is she? She said she didn't imagine to be ending up on button someday, and she did obviously. And we did a little like a guerrilla marketing, you know event, because we went around the campground and played our music a little card. We had like a like a pa on there and you know, Bea plays her violin and it's a very fancy, nice, beautiful old violin. Yeah, but Bea she she uses it as an you know, it's a thing to use and she hit the concrete with it while driving the card. Yeah, because she was just playing. She's all over the place, you know, sucking up all the you know, information and the impressions. And so this is like Bea on vacan is like concrete against classical music.

23:57 Oh that was very metal. That was very had a metal thing to do and the violence still works. Say, oh, well there you go. And she said, what whatever good attitude because what are you're gonna do? Yeah, that's a metal attitude, I guess. So now, how did the valking thing come about? Did you not medal? Like? How did they invite you to play here at Varkin? So, as Simon said, we we in the end, we don't know the the exactly, you know, but. We hope it's because of a music. I've played Vacking with a different band before that was like an Irish folk punk band and we played it a couple of times and then this new project happened, and yeah, I think it's it's still a little miracle for us because it's like the the gods of rock, you know, we're you know, saying okay, let's see if this band still got it or you can use them for a festival like this. And yeah, we were the first band on the Uckinger stage. So twelve o'clock the infield was opened like half an hour before, and as I said, we had this little Gerillia you know event to playing our music and telling everybody you know, put your alarm clock on eleven thirty and get the fuck up.

25:15 You can you know, you can't come drunk. It's no problem for us, but be there at twelve o'clock high noon, you know, and they showed all up. They all were there. They had we had crowdsurfers, we had a circle pit. It was just amazing. And yeah, so I think we work here. It's good luck in the end. And here's what I'll say. First of all, it's like, that's the amazing thing about Vocking is that you could play on the third day early and get a crowd like that and not even be metal. You know. We had some guys share a story of our gig and he said, these are the surprises of Waking, and that's a pretty I.

26:00 Think, Oh it's okay, yeah, we'll kick them out. Well, I will say too that maybe they brought you back because they liked you and your other band. They needed a little Irish flair and you're German and so it's like, okay, we'll add the French into so we could get people not to go help est and come to Vaking. So there's the recipe. Actually, the best recipe is how good you are. And the point is, like I said before, I don't think it matters what genre you play. If you're a great musician and you're entertaining the people and having fun, that's all that counts.

26:43 Well, we just had a discussion about how much show does A does A does a gig? Need? You know, And if your musicianship, you know, holds onto to keeping the crowd engaged, then you don't need as much show. Yes, maybe, but show still is okay. Obviously, what's really important in my experience at watching shows, but also what people that watched our shows told me is as long as the crowd sees that the musicians have fun in what they're doing, it doesn't really matter how much entertainment you put in there. That's the entertainment. Music's a transfer of emotion. And when I see bands that you can tell they're not into it up there, how are you going to be into it? But when the band like one of the things I noticed is when musicians are up there smiling the whole time like they just won the lottery, and I'm like, man, this is fun. And so to your point, yes, absolutely, if you're not having fun in this industry, wrong industry, because most of it sucks, okay, you gotta have fun, you know.

27:51 And if you're playing music and you're not having fun, you need to change gears because music should be one hundred percent. You're not an accountant, okay, you're a musician. And I also think you shouldn't be in a box as a musician. As you grow and evolve and get better at your craft, you want to experiment and that means going outside your box. And then that's what keeps you happy and having fun and excited. Because if you're doing the same thing for ten years, totally the same, who wouldn't be bored. So what was that moment for all of you that you absolutely knew you had no other choice but to do music. Yeah, we'll just go down the line.

28:46 Yeah, Well, I learned at the university. I'm an architect, and I used to be really divided in my heart. Who am I? No? Am I an engineer, an architect at least an artist in my own ride? Or am I a bass player? And on Fridays I was going for shows and I really felt like an architect, and I couldn't go on stage until Sunday, when I really felt like I could never attend university again. So I was so divided. And after that really nice university time, I decided to be a full time musician because that was the moment, and the employer I was working for called me and in the tour bus and he said, Alex, you gotta tell me who are you? Are you an architect or a musician? You need to tell me now because this really stinks. And I said, well, I'm a musician. And the whole tour bus was cheering, and next to me, my wife was saying, Okay, now he just lost his job, his daytime job, and what's gonna happen now?

30:04 But it worked out. It's awesome. Exactly, it worked out, and you're a. Vaking I'm fairly sorry for bringing in the deep shit now, brought. The decision because you're the metalhead of the group. Absolutely, yeah, that's all the emotion we get. When I was about sixteen years old, when my granddad died and I came home from school and my mother told me when I when I got into a home, and the first thing I did was go into my room and play blod Brothers by Room Maiden, just to somehow, yeah, cope with it. And after that I knew, Okay, maybe music is what keeps you alive.

30:47 There it is. I mus against the best therapy for you, the artists, and for me the listener. There you go. I'm having a real hard time pointing my finger at this one moment because I grew up in a family where everyone always played music all of the time. My granddad was a jazz trumpet player, my mother was a classical clarinet teacher. My sister was playing the piano, my father was playing the piano and the French horn, and I pretty soon started asking for a violin, very much, not to the amusement of my parents. You know, there are not as not many instruments that suck as much when you can't play them as a kid. And yeah, from then on, I guess I just never really stopped.

31:44 And then at some point I thought that ac DC was cooler than Vivaldi, and so I started playing the electric guitar. And yeah, it's pretty fun. I think too. You guys should write a song with a French born in it. Bring that to friendship, brilliant. I have to ask my dad. But yeah, well, first of all, good question. I think. You know, when you look at at life in general, what do you want to experience in life? You know, is it about your house, your car, what you what you work, what you achieve. Obviously, it's not, although everyone you know, part of the day thinks it is, and you know it's in all the treadmill And in the end, I think it's most of all being moved, being, you know, being emotional, being in life, being you know, engaged in something like with all your heart, and forget about all the outer appearance, appearance, forget about everything that's so much in your mind.

32:48 And I think music is one of the best things. To move people to be, to be moved and to forget yourself and be like like in this spiritual state of just being nothing else. And you know, it's a rare moment, and that makes it so worthy that it's so rare, and you can achieve it in different things than music, but music is one hell of a thing to get those rare moments of just being with everything that is so Yeah nice, I love it. Yeah, I guess I don't really have that one moment as well. When I finished school, my dad was kind of not very happy that I started an apprenticeship instead of going to university, but still I had the job at Steinway, and it was clear for me that this is what I'm going to do. Yeah, I damaged my wrist during COVID, and that led to me not being able to be a full time piano maker. As a hobby, I started doing sound engineering for several bands, which is kind of being the plus one musician. So as a sound engineer you also form and you decide what the listener gets to listen to. Yes, so it's kind of being a musician. But I always felt it's not enough of being a musician, so I wanted to be on

34:20 the other side as well. Yeah, and I worked for that. I rehearsed, I got lessons and tried to get better basically, and yeah, then at some point there came a France So yeah, not really the one point, but I'm so glad it turned out like that. So more like the whole journey basically, And so your rest, that's a fact you're piano playing, not how good you are, but how you feel when you're playing. Once I start playing, it's always gone love it again.

35:02 The best man's in music, he. Can fall into Shrime Franza fil make his music. It's come from here that rang music to mascribe. Sunday and on. Yeah, It's I'm for Eskipzoo feel the momentum, which thinks that's my guy gained the hand name on Spear and Upset Classical, so that rock or I'm for was the other componier and that's is Skipto. Film Momentum was Fally who has come can be for to sign on Levendi on Slavendix to film on the MOMENTU sign and for you.

35:51 Know, yeah, I'd like to translate. She says, it's an absolute necessity to pick up her violin and to it nurtures her soul and whatever kind of music it's. She she's desperate to do it, to live in the moment, to feel the moment at all. And I can, I can so relate because I already knew she's an amazing and stunning. Violinist. And then I saw her play on after after a show. It was in an Irish pub and she played together with the other guys, and it was a moment that was a little bit it was like in heaven for me to just look at her having her eyes closed.

36:46 She was stairy eyes. What what did I say? I said something I don't know, but anyways, it was stunning to see her stairy eyed or the eyes close whatever. And then and then to hear what she plays, because I didn't really know that a violin would be able to to sound like this. Okay, now he's gonna give the translation. What happened, right, you know? I don't I don't really know. I just have to shoot in because the next day he told her just what he said right now, and her answer, what makes us so sympathetic as a human being? Her answer was. Really fucked up.

37:28 Also when he just said those beautiful words and it was like in heaven and everything, be I just commented, I was ship faced. Maybe that's why she fucked up good possibility, but the audience would never know. That's the point. How many times have all of you fucked up? You know, like every artist on the face of the earth, And usually the aiens starts to know because why artists are their own worst. But in all seriousness, Bear started her statement with saying, for her music is something that comes from a different place.

38:11 And I really can relate to what Alex just said, because when you look at be are playing those tunes, it looked like it looks like she's channeling something from somewhere and you have no idea where that's coming from, but it's it's pretty great. To watch. You just hope it's a good place. And she's not too fucked up. Yeah, but that's also fun. The great thing is that they are always always says, I'm not drinking at all, and then and then you know, every gig, after every gig, she's taking a beer, and well, usually I'm never drinking.

38:57 But you know that's fun. That's fun for sure. Like and how can you be even European, much less picking a country and not drink. Just it works, but it's hot, it's it's a requirement. I think what I'm really confused about is we're in Germany. We're in the VIP area outside this pres tent, and we have Anheuser Busch Budweiser. What that's actually one place where you could get German beer. I'll show you afterwards. And it has a very beautiful German names coach Batten. I somebody had me tastes that last night, and I don't even like beer. That beer was good, It's pretty good.

39:41 It's pretty Budweiser. To me. It tastes like I took a piss and pissed in the in the beer and now I'm drinking it. So the real thing is you don't like American beer, but you do. Like re beer. I like, I like very few. That was real beer. I don't like like in the UK too. I don't like the dark beer. I was married to a British girl and she had me taste a snake bite and I was like, that's the nastiest ship I ever tasted in my life. I don't know how you drink that. Yeah, there's the reason for that name, right exactly. So tell everybody how they can reach out to you.

40:23 Connect on socials, check out your music, and most importantly, buy your merch because if they don't buy your merch, they can't listen to my show exactly. So you just go on Wustenberg. You you have to spell it like w you with the two dots on it, or you E because that's international. I guess. Yeah, So it's w U E s t E n b E r G. And then this little how you call it the slash not not a slash, but the little underscore and the music and you find us on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, whatever, YouTube, and yeah, it's nice to follow us because that's where you get every information. You know, Just subscribe to the newsletter because that's the only direct connection to all the people. Yeah, and you know, all the algorithm shit is problematic because even if you follow us, you don't get everything, and so we all have to pay for it, you know, like advertise it. And I think it would be good if we have less of paying for adverts and more of connection to humans, to musicians, and so yeah, listen to us on Spotify, on YouTube. Come to a gig we haven't. The next gig is in actually on the Source in Portugal on Santam, one of my favorite countries.

41:46 It's insane. So if one of you guys is there, This festival is one of the oldest of the Source. It's the oldest of the Source and one of the oldest in Portugal. And they have the stage directly on the beach. It's insane. I can surf while I'm watching. Yeah, it's it's they have a you know, they know what they're doing. That's pretty cool. Yeah, it is. I've actually been the festivals in l A on the beach, and the thing that always amazes me is a circle pit on the beach, Like I go into the marsh, bit I'm not doing that in the sand. That's a broken leg guaranteed, you know, but hey, somebody else wants to do it, that's that's all good. And since you brought up TikTok, has she done anything embarrassing while she was drunk and done a TikTok?

42:41 I mean, the night is still young. I think you need to do it here at VAKIN. Too bad when it hit the concrete, you weren't tiktoking. Yeah, you know that would have been viral, of course, but that's just for a private archive. You know, exactly. Do you guys have any final words you want to share with the listeners that we have not covered already? Okay, Well, I think we're. Thankful for everyone who's coming out these days because there's a change of times and people tend to stay home because you know, money is less, So we're advertising for live music, come out, support the live scene. We're very thankful for everyone buying a ticket, and yes, just support.

43:30 Musicians all over the world will be thankful for it. And let's stay connected because that's I think a very human thing to do. I love it, and I love that you were here at VAKIN, and I love the whole concept of what you do with your music, and even like you got the token metal head. Yeah, we have him. So thank you for being on the Adventures of pipe Man. Thank you so much, thank you very much. Thank you for listening to the Adventures of Papemin on wf CUI Radio.