10 Things I Learned at Ecamm Creator Camp 2024

Today on episode number 954 of the School of Podcasting.

I am back after spending a week in Amesbury, New Hampshire, at ecamm creator Camp 2024.

And I have ten things, maybe eleven if you're good, that I learned at camp.

And wait till you hear about the one that made everyone squeal like a teenager at a Taylor Swift concert.

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So the first thing we have to figure out, what the heck is an ecamm?

Ecamm is a software program that makes it super easy to do both live stream, or if you just want to make like, recorded videos, screen shares, things like that.

It is amazing.

And here's one of the things we're going to talk about.

Setting yourself apart.

It's only available if you're on a Mac.

Yep.

Now why is that?

Because you're cutting out a big chunk of your audience.

Well, yeah, but on the other hand, what a community.

And that's one of the things we're going to talk about.

The community that has formed around this software is absolutely insane.

And so that's where we're gonna get to today.

Number one, the first one was from a guy named Daniel Chi.

He did a presentation on presenting, and normally he's kind of like the super techy, nerdy guy, that ecamm.

And he did something that I love, and that is, he takes a concept that I believe and, you know, something I actually use.

And he just said it so much better.

That's more impactful.

It's easier to understand.

And I was like, oh, I am so borrowing that.

And that is, he mentioned the three f's, and it goes like this.

So think of this.

I've said many times on this show, if you can be a little vulnerable, if you can kind of show that, I know what it's like.

Show a little empathy.

And Daniel came up the three f's, and I know how you feel.

I felt the same way.

Here is what I found.

And when he said that, I was like, oh, that is such a cool way of saying that I know how you feel.

I felt the same way.

Here's what I found.

And I love the fact that a, it just oozes compassion and empathy.

But that last part about.

Here's what I found that kind of positions you as, hey, follow me, and I will show you the way around this.

Now, the other thing I want to mention about this, this is great information.

And in the show notes, out@schoolofpodcasting.com.

954.

So if you're like, hey, this Daniel Chi guy sounds like a good guy, I have links.

Write to Daniel Chi, and Chi is chi.

Daniel Chi live.

But I also got to go to an alpaca farm.

Now, why did I go to an alpaca farm?

Because I've never been to an alpaca farm.

And I was like, let's go to an alpaca farm.

So I got to actually feed an alpaca, which was fun.

And Daniel was part of my group, and he's a really cool guy.

And so the first thing I learned was the three f's.

Number two.

All right, now the next thing, and this is the one I was talking about, that if you want to see, and I say this with love and compassion, a bunch of nerds.

Like, a bunch of video, live streaming nerds.

And they had a guy from Zoom.

You know, Zoom, the, you know, the person.

We've learned to grow in love, thanks to our good friend Covid.

Yeah, that zoom.

That company integrates with ecamm and ecamm now because it wasn't hard to join an ecamm live stream, but everybody knows how to join a zoom call, so zoom now integrates with ecamm.

And so now instead of saying, hey, here's my link to ecamm, just go, here's my link to zoom.

And you can bring people in all sorts of really cool stuff, but we're in a room filled with video people who apparently, for a while now, have not been happy.

And I didn't know this.

Did you know this zoom resolution is, like, 720.

And so the guy from Zoom is there a.

And he's explaining how he's happy to work with ecamm, and it's a great integration and extra tools and what they're doing, and blah, blah, blah.

And then he said, oh, by the way, we do have an announcement.

He said, all you have to do is go in, I guess, and turn it on.

But Zoom is going to 1080.

And it was like Christmas had come early.

People are pounding on the tables.

They're stomping their feet.

It was like, I was like, wow, these people apparently really have been asking for 1080 for a long time.

So from what I understand, you go in to your Zoom settings and you turn on hd.

If not, you can request it.

But that was one thing.

I was like, okay, I'll have to look into that.

Number three, I had never heard of.

This, and I'm surprised.

In all the Facebook groups and Reddit places, nobody's ever mentioned this.

There is a remote settings app for Zoom.

Now I know why people haven't talked about it, because it's not easy to find.

I sat right next to the Zoom guy at dinner, and he's like, yeah, just go to the Zoom app store or something.

And it's there.

It took me a bit to find it, but what this is, you can see your guest settings.

So when they have a microphone, but it sounds like they're on their built in laptop microphone, you could see that.

And then what you do is you can't take over their machine, but you can see their settings and go, ooh.

And then you click on, okay, let's use this microphone.

Let's do this.

Let's do that.

Whatever that use, you know, musical settings, turn off background, whatever you're going to do, right.

You can change the settings, and then you send them a request that comes up on their screen that says, hey, so and so wants to change your settings to this.

And when they say, okay, it does.

And so I know a lot of us were on a budget.

I know how you feel.

Right?

We go back to the three f's.

I know what it felt.

Here's what I found.

You can control your guests zoom settings with this app.

Now, I personally have not used this yet.

I just found it.

Links in the show notes out@schoolofpodcasting.com.

954 number four, I was happy to share this when I got home with Craig van Slyke.

He's a member of the School of podcasting, and he does a show called AI goes to college, because I had never heard of this.

I think if you've never played with AI, a lot of these AI image tools, you know, in the early days, they'd give you like six fingers, and that's been kind of fixed.

But the one thing that hadn't been fixed is if you said, give me a sign that says 50% off, it just, the, the text always looked horrendous.

Well, I went to a session with Jeff C and Ian Anderson, and this is not the guy from Jethro Tall.

And they had a giant list of AI tools, and one of them was ideogram AI.

And I put in a quick prompt.

I told it, I said, make an illustration of a dark blue square with the text power of podcasting in white, and then add some lightning bolts around the text, and it spit out like three or four.

And I was like, that's not awful.

Like, that's definitely better than whatever I would do in canva.

And it took all of, I don't know, 20 seconds, something like that.

And so that was one that I was like, oh, that's really, really cool.

And I should say, this is the power of word of mouth.

I've known Jeff for years, but really, in the last year, we've kind of got to know each other.

I've been on his show.

His show, by the way, social media news live.

It's a great show.

Every Friday I've been on that show.

And Jeff was on this show talking about Pinterest.

You can find him at Jeff C.

Now.

C is sieh.com, and I'll put links to his YouTube and everything else out at the show notes.

And I was doing an episode of Ask the podcast coach, and I've only been using ecamm for about six months.

And Jeff's like, oh, you should go to ecamm creator cam.

And I was like, okay.

And he's like, yeah, it's really cool.

It's one of the best events.

And simply by saying that, I went to the website for it, saw what the price was, and ordered it without really knowing what the heck I got into.

And the other cool thing was, I got to hang out with Jeff and his co host, Connor of, again, social media news Live.

And Connor's amazing.

So is Jeff.

I and Jeff's daughter was there, and this was really cool for me on kind of a, and nobody probably knows what I mean when I say this, a Norman Rockwell moment, because Jeff's 23, 23 year old daughter is helping him with the production of his show, more or less following in her dad's footsteps.

And.

And I say this with love and compassion, of course.

She was very 23.

She was talking about what she wants to do with her life and what she has planned, and I'm like, I remember thinking that.

And so it was very cool to meet her.

Connor had me in stitches all week.

And, oh, I need to explain again that I've now done my homework.

Ian Anderson has another name.

Ian Anderson Gray.

Probably because he got tired of saying, no, I'm not the guy in Jethro tall.

But I'll have links to him.

He's, again, this guy that's just worked with all sorts of companies and as we like to say here, he appears to be a big shot smarty pants.

And so he had a ton of great info as well.

Number five.

And I'll have links to that text AI tool again, idiogram.

But the next one was one of my favorites.

When I saw this guy was going to be at ecamm creator camp, I'm like, oh, I'm definitely clicking go.

And his name is Daniel Patel.

Hes a YouTube consultant and he has an amazing YouTube channel, especially if you want to learn DaVinci Resolve.

And he shared what I feel is like the worlds best analogy of how coke now were talking.

The soft drink here is like the worlds best multichannel distributor because, you know, as a content creator, we put things out as a podcast, we put things out on YouTube, we put things out on Twitter, put things out here.

Multi platform distributor.

And he said the very first multi platform distributor was Coke, to which we all kind of went, huh?

But he said, in the early days of coke, when it was in bottles, back in the day, you might see a vending machine at a gas station or some other hot place where thirsty people might be and you would put your money in, a bottle would come out, you would use this built in bottle opener that was right on the door and start, you know, dumping gallons of coke down your throat.

And later you could buy a can and it might be any of their many flavors, right?

Diet Coke, caffeine free coke there a coke everywhere, a coke coke, right?

So you'd have a machine, but now it was cans giving you one at a time.

So now no bottle opener needed.

You just flip the thing.

And I mean, now you've got the coke thing, right?

But you could, if you wanted to go to a grocery store, and now instead of buying them one at a time, you could buy them as a six pack, as a twelve pack.

Now, these weren't cold, they weren't supposed to be.

They were designed to be taken home and put in your fridge.

But it was the same product, meaning the audience where they were giving them what they needed at that time.

Now they're also two liter bottles.

There's 20 ounce bottles.

You can buy a six pack, a 20 ounce bottles, right?

You can do all that stuff.

But the bottom line is coke met their audience where they were in a format they needed and delivered a consistent product.

Another one was, well, let's see, we have all these restaurants.

And it wouldn't make any sense.

Can you imagine how many two liters or how many cases of coke you would have to have to feed coke to your patrons in your restaurant?

So what they do, they started selling coke as a syrup mix in a little fizzy water, and presto, here's your coke again, same product, meeting the audience where they are in a format that they can use.

And to me, if you've, you know, you're new to the show, if you make me think you got me.

And I was like, you know what?

That's true.

That's very true.

And the last time I checked, Coca Cola is a pretty successful company.

So that was one that I was like, man, I knew this guy was going to be good, but that really had me thinking.

Number six.

All right, this one I kind of already knew, but I wanted to kind of let you in on this.

Daniel is a badass.

There's no other way to put this.

I found his channel about a year ago when a company called Wondershare, Filmora decided which, by the way, Daniel was like the Filmora guy at the time.

And they decided not to honor their lifetime licenses to their software, which Daniel had kind of built part of his empire on.

And he had told all of his audience, hey, buy this lifetime license and check out this great software.

Here's my tutorials.

And so when he went to login and the software was like, nope, sorry, we don't honor that license anymore.

Yeah, Daniel went public and said, hey, just so you guys know, this is what happened to me this morning.

Well, you know, again, Phil Mora, Wondershare, whatever, they decided not to honor their license.

And when he had kind of thrown them under the bus, and he really didn't throw them under the bus, he's just like, hey, my license doesn't work.

And according to this memo, fill Mora isn't going to honor their license.

And so when he went public, how did Fillmora, you know, reply?

Did they go, oh, we were.

No, no.

They went after his channel and they demanded a video that they had sponsored be removed.

Yeah.

So they actually went after Daniel.

And so what did Daniel do?

He shared this on his content.

Hey, everybody, look what Filmora is doing to me.

They're trying to ruin my channel and do all this other stuff.

And let's just say that Filmora's move of attacking everyone's mentor did not go over well.

So Filmora finally did the right thing, but not without hinting that they might sue people who said things they didn't appreciate.

So in the show notes out at school, podcasting.com 954, I have a link to that playlist and it is fascinating.

And to me, the, I'm not really an old hippie, that would be my brother, but I love the fact that he just basically waved the bird at the company and was kind of like, okay, I'm going to release the kraken on you.

And because when people saw how he was being treated, they just dumped the software.

And that's when they're like, oh, hey, we were just kidding.

We're going to honor that.

But not before.

Not only because that story was such an insanely bad idea of customer service that other even more popular youtubers were talking about it and bringing the story to the forefront.

So I love the fact that he just kept his cool circle the wagons.

And if you ever wonder why he's not talking about Fillmore anymore, he's now Mister Davinci resolve.

Well, that's it.

But I just love that story.

And the fact that he's like, yeah, I don't think so.

Number seven.

Yeah, I got a lot from his, his talk.

So the other one is Daniel.

His way of achieving success is one way of doing it.

And I love his channel.

Again, he shared on his channel how he really likes YouTube shorts.

Well, depending on the YouTube guru you're talking to, I've seen other people very strongly say YouTube shorts will ruin your channel.

And in this case, Daniel even kind of said, look, your mileage may vary, but he shared lots of slides to back up his strategy of where he was using shorts on a really regular, and here's that word, consistent basis.

And in the end, all those people, there was a company called Black Magic Design.

They are the makers of Da Vinci resolve.

And so they started asking their customers, hey, how did you find out about DaVinci resolve?

And one name came up over and over and over, Daniel Battal.

And so they went to him and said, we would like to sponsor your YouTube channel to the tune of six figures.

So when people say shorts don't work, I'm going to go, have you ever heard of Daniel Patel?

And so it's not that Daniel's way is the way.

It is a way.

And it works for his audience.

Every audience is different.

But I just love the fact that he shared it and he had the stats to back it up.

And I was like, all right, that's.

To me, I was like, that's a way to do it.

And I know.

And he even said, there are a lot of people that disagree with him.

And I was like, well, maybe we need to start kind of reemphasizing that when we say these are the best practices to point you towards a way of success.

But if somebody says, I have the way, like, if.

If you just do this, you will be successful.

I'm not sure that's 100% accurate.

And if they're trying to get you to sign up for three easy payments, eh, you know, you might want to just do a little more research.

Number eight.

All right.

And I realize some of these are kind of duh, but I also saw how to build a software company.

ECamm was created by two twin brothers, Ken and Glenn.

And I'm going to butcher their last name.

Aspelag.

Aspilah.

Aspilah.

Maybe silent G.

I don't know.

Ken and Glenn, that's what I call them.

And I love that they started with a simple goal of building apps to solve problems.

Because if you want to make money with anything, with a company, with a podcast, whatever, 99% of the time you are solving a problem, whether it's saving somebody time, saving them money, saving them headaches, saving them from a bad day at work, by making them.

LAUghtER people typically pay when you solve a problem.

And if you want them to buy something, if you want to make money with your podcast, I always say the best way is to have a product or service.

And sometimes that service is, you know, a supercast or Patreon or whatever you want to do.

But realize you, the best way is not, again, not the way.

It's one of the ways.

But according to their website, our strategy is if an app is useful, well designed, and properly maintained, it will sell itself without the need for clever advertising and glitzy marketing.

And the twins were there, right?

The owners of ecamm were there all week, just hanging out with their customers.

Because how do you grow your podcast?

You find out what people want, and then you give it to them.

And so when I was listening to these guys talk about what they have on the roadmap for 2025, one of them was VST plugins.

So, you know that de Esser or that plosive fixer or all the other plugins we've talked about here.

Yeah.

That's coming to ecamm.

And they know.

They know that people want local recording, and they're probably working on that behind the scenes.

So the same way you build a successful software company is the same way you build a podcast.

You find out who your audience is.

And they said people who own Macs, because here's the other thing.

As much as like, oh, they're so stupid.

There's a whole, you know, PC kind of market.

Yeah.

But when everybody's on the same operating system, it's a whole lot easier to write software, don't you think?

And so they realize they can make it bigger.

But I'm here to tell you, the ecamm fam, as they call it, their Facebook group is great.

Everybody there, it really was a family kind of feel to it.

And here I was the first time at their event.

This is the second year they've had it, and I was welcome with open arms.

So I just thought it was a really cool way and a really great kind of case study on how to build a software company.

Number nine.

Number nine.

Number nine is, if you want to stand out, you ready for this?

You got to do something different.

And I've attended some events.

When they first started, I was at pot indie last year.

That was the first time they did it.

Pot indie is coming up in November 9, and theyre terrific because everyone got to consume the exact same content.

And because theyre smaller, you get to network with everyone and then kind of unfortunately, look, we do our best to keep that small feel while we make these events huge.

And don't get me wrong, I love Podfest.

I'm speaking at Podfest in January.

I love podcast movement, but I adore the fact that ecamm topped the attendees at 100.

They said, hey, if you want to be here, they're only letting 100 in.

Get your tickets now.

And they went quick.

And if they're, if it was me, I would raise the price for next year.

But they're not doing it as a money maker.

They're doing it to find out what their community wants, what they're thinking, and so that they can make a product.

And by keeping it cheap and delivering enormous value, you walk out of that ecamm cam telling everybody you know, oh, no, no.

I know Riverside's great, and it edits and all that stuff, but if you're on a Mac and you're not using ecamm, you at least got to give it a shot.

It's an amazing program.

And so I would love to see more events like this, like pod indie.com.

use the coupon code, Dave, because there is a virtual ticket, by the way, for that.

And I like to see small events to go along with the big ones.

I don't want the big ones.

Cause I don't think they would ever go and like, hey, instead of doing one big event, we're gonna do three, and we're gonna cap it at like 200 people.

I just.

I don't see them doing that.

And for the record, I know why.

The amount of effort it takes to do a small event is kind of the same amount of effort to do a larger event.

There's just much more risk when.

When people buy a block of hotels if we don't fill those.

That event has to eat that money, and that's spooky.

And so I guess they would rather take that chance once than multiple times.

Not really sure.

But just for me, it stood out like a.

Like a beautiful sore thumb.

Like, this is way different than any of their conference.

In fact, when I signed up, they're like, this is not like any other conference.

And they did not lie at all.

They also had one of the best swag bags.

There was a newer.

You know, that company.

Newer, newer, newer.

Whatever it is.

Little light that you could use.

Well, really probably with anything.

It was pretty blinding.

So it was cool that you got something in your swag bag that you could go home and actually use.

And they had a.

If you do light balancing, you know, white balancing, and then you get the white card, the gray card and all that.

They had one of those that's like worth $20 or something like that.

So that was cool.

And since we're kind of on the topic of standing out, I didn't learn this at Ecamm creator camp, but I did learn it on the plane.

I'm listening to the book earn it unconventional strategies for brave marketers.

This is from Steve Pratt, and there are some great ideas of doing things to set yourself apart.

Now, it does make it sound like creating an amazing show takes work, and that's because, well, it kind of does.

In the last 40 years, the amount of promotion has gone up exponentially.

At the same time, the success of promoted content, products, and services hasn't increased at all.

That's because the secret isn't to focus on your promo.

The secret is to create something that those you serve want to tell others about.

And he's actually quoting Seth Godin there, but he does that a lot.

He quotes other marketing books.

So it's a great book so far.

I'm.

Where am I at?

Chapter four.

And it's called earn it unconventional strategies for brave marketers.

Number ten.

And this one made me think.

And I'm like, he might have a point.

And that is my buddy doc rock is on the flow.

That is ecamm's podcast YouTube channel.

He's there with Katie.

And he says, an introvert.

He says, there aren't any.

There are no introverts.

And if you're an introvert, you're going, no, I think there is.

You're looking at one.

Right.

An introvert is a person that doesn't like the present company, because every one of those people around, somebody that you know, somebody, their friends, whoever, their spouse, well, you can't get them to shut up.

So if you're super quiet around other people, it's because you don't know them yet, or maybe you don't like them.

And I was like, hmm, interesting.

I will say this.

I've said in the past that I get nervous around meeting other people, and I I think I'm lying to myself on that.

I had one little moment where I was kind of like, uh, but for the most part, I just talked to people and asked them what brought to the show, and I'm getting much better at that.

So maybe there are no introverts.

Maybe we're just hanging around people that we're not comfortable with.

And how do you get comfortable with people?

You gotta talk to them.

We have a bonus clip about the hotel coming up right after this.

All right, the bonus one.

Number eleven.

Stay at the hotel.

And I know, and I'll kind of explain what happened here.

I stayed at a hotel, was the best western.

And I'm gonna say five to seven minutes from the hotel was a Hampton inn.

And I ended up, uh, paying anywhere from $20 to $35 a day for Uber rides.

And the hotel, the official one, was 180.

So, yes, mine was 110.

Theirs was 180.

And so.

But I'm spending, you know, $35 a day to go back and forth to the downtown area where they had this.

So I saved $35 a day, which, again, I was there quite a few days.

So I saved $175.

So I basically, it's like getting a hotel room night for free.

But.

And I realize, I feel.

I know how you feel.

$175 is a chunk of change.

And I would.

I would change this if the hotel was in walking distance.

So if the hotel from the event was here and there was one, like, you know, three blocks that way, that you could save some money, maybe.

But here's the thing.

I'm in Amesbury.

Well, actually, I was in Manchester, New Hampshire, and then I took an Uber into Amesbury.

And if you're probably going, Manchester?

What?

Yeah.

So consequently, not maybe as many Uber drivers as, say, if I was in Boston.

And so when I would go to get ready to drive downtown.

To get more great content, I would have to start looking for an Uber about 30 minutes.

So more or less an hour because it was, I don't know, ten minutes.

But I would.

I remember the one time I'm like, hey, find me an Uberland.

And it was like, all right, we're working on it.

Okay, we're sorry for the delay.

Don't close this app because we're still looking.

Where.

And then it finally said, hey, you know that cheap version of Uber?

Yeah.

There aren't anybody but you can take the big, oversized Uber if you'd like.

And being that I needed an Uber, I was like, yeah, because it starts at eight and it's 715, and I'd been sitting there for, like, a half hour, 20 minutes.

So that's not a, you know, again, if I just stayed at the hotel, a, I could have slept in more because it wasn't going to take so long to find an Uber.

And, you know, this is one of those.

It depends, right?

It depends on your budget.

But I just know for me, I was like, I think next time, unless I'm within walking distance of the hotel, I'm just going to stay at the hotel.

It's expensive.

If you want to write it off on your taxes, you can do that, of course.

And if you need more help with taxes, of course, go see my buddy Ralph over at ask Ralph podcast.com.

he can hook you up with all sorts of those questions.

But, uh, that was one that I was like, hmm.

And it was not like a major, uh, the.

The second day was the day it was like, yeah, we can't find anybody.

And I get why because I had, uh.

You ever have, like, chatty Cathy in Uber?

The guy's just going, there was a guy making 50 grand a year driving Uber, and he was an old professor and yada, yada, yada.

And he was explaining all this, and I saw where it was like, oh, there's somebody 17 minutes away.

But it was only, like, for $6.

And he said, yeah, he does a lot of ubering around the university, so he's ubering college kids, and their fares are, like, $4 because they want to go from here four blocks that way.

And so I get it.

And I was like, hmm.

Was an interesting experiment.

Did it save me money?

Sure.

It probably saved me $175 for the whole week, but I'm just like, yeah, it was a little stressful at times.

And I think next time I'm just going to stay at the hotel.

And also, I want to support these events, and I realize they're on the hook for that hotel, so I should be staying there.

Anyway, speaking of events.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

My last tip here, so what are we up to?

Twelve and even duds in was, if something's a pain in the butt and other people are using it, what's the one thing that's different here?

So I'll give you an example.

I do not like the community tool discord.

And anytime you're involved with an event, read all of the emails.

I know they might send a little or they might send a lot or whatever, but it's really important that you read the email.

And so I must have missed the one that said, hey, or I probably, I probably read it.

I just didn't get it where they said, we will be saying things in Discord, and if you want to keep up to date with the event, you should use discord.

And I must have saw that and went, oh, well, I'm sure they'll email us too.

And they did email us, but there was a lot of content and a lot of networking that I could have taken place with.

And there were contests and all sorts of giveaways and things like that going on in their Discord community group.

And I missed it all, totally missed it all, because I was like, ugh, I hate discord.

So it dawned on me after I got there that like, hey, idiot, everybody else seems to have no problem with discord.

Maybe it's you.

And so I was like, why do I not like it?

Well, it's in dark mode and it looks like an Atari game from, you know, 1996.

And I was like, well, let's see what we can do about that.

So I log in.

I had like 100, literally like 150 messages unread.

And there were a bunch of these groups that I had joined their group, and I was like, yeah, I've never logged in.

I logged in.

Nobody else was in there.

They were just, you know, just a big desert of groups, but there were some that were active.

And I was like, okay, hold on, let's.

Let's prune here and get rid of all the groups that I'm never going to go into again.

And then I turned it into from dark mode into light mode and spent, I don't know, five to ten minutes learning how to send a message and learning how to reply and learning how to do this.

And I am not, what I would say, a big fan of discord, but if somebody says, hey, we communicate via discord, I can go in and get the messages.

It's available on a Mac, it's available on your phone, it's available on a PC.

And so don't be such an old stick in the mud because it makes it harder for the event organizers.

And I apologize profusely to Katie and Paul and Doc and everybody else that I was like, hey, I didn't realize this was going on.

I'm sorry.

I felt like, have you ever done that, that group project in school?

And there's always that one guy that doesn't do anything and I was like, oh, crap, I'm that guy and I don't want to be that guy.

So if there's something that you just hate, maybe it's because you haven't taken the time to learn it.

And why don't we learn it?

Because, well, that means I have to get out of my comfort zone.

And I like it in my comfort zone.

It's comfortable.

So I get that.

But if you're not constantly learning in this society, you are going backwards.

And I was just kind of like, yeah, you, you big dummy.

I should have just taken the time to learn discord and I would have had a little better time.

I missed out on deeper connections with people.

So that would be my last tip and the last thing that I learned at ecamm creator camp 2024.

To all my new friends that are listening to the show, it was a blast hanging out with you.

And I look forward to next year because I'm definitely going back.

I will just be in the discord group.

I'll stay at the hotel and I'll be going back to, again something that will feel like Podfest and podcast movement and pod indie now is going on November 9.

Pod indie.com.

you know, those feel like summer camp to me.

And now so will ecamm creator camp.

And I also, here's the last thing.

When you come back from these things, don't go, that was cool.

No, make yourself a to do list.

And so I already did.

I'm going to install the Zoom integration with ecamm.

I'm going to be playing with that.

Like, don't just get the knowledge, do something with it.

They always go, knowledge is power.

No, knowledge is power when you act on it.

And so ive got to act on these things that I learned.

And maybe you can too.

Maybe youre going to integrate the three fs the next time you have to be empathetic to someone, maybe youre going to go play with Zoom and check out some of those settings and those things that you did or the whatever it was called idiogram.

And make yourself an AI tool with some text.

Or go check out Daniel Patel's amazing YouTube channel and check out Jeff Czdd and Ian Anderson Gray and everybody else that I mentioned.

The links are out there in the show notes, schoolofpodcasting.com 954.

And that's going to do it for the show.

I'm done.

I'm pooped, I'm tired, and I need a break.

I need a nap, and I got to unpack and do laundry.

Otherwise I'll be wearing.

You know how you have that one pair of underwear that's like, ugh.

When I see that come up in the drawer, it's like it's time to do laundry and it's time to do laundry.

So thanks so much for listening.

I do appreciate you taking time.

And if you want to start a podcast, you know where to find me.

Go to schoolofpodcasting.com, join, use the coupon code listener and save on either a monthly or yearly subscription and join the community.

Sure, we have step by step courses.

We have unlimited coaching.

I might talk about that in next week's episode.

That was one of the questions I got from Jeff.

He's like, okay, how you doing that, that unlimited thing that doesn't seem to work on paper?

Maybe I'll explain that.

Or maybe you should just join and find out.

It's actually not that complicated.

But I do appreciate your time.

Until next week.

Take care.

God bless.

Classes dismissed.

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