Oct. 4, 2025

From Swear Words to Show Growth: What Podcasters Can Learn the Hard Way

From Swear Words to Show Growth: What Podcasters Can Learn the Hard Way

Send us feedback/questions via Text Ever feel like your show is stuck at 30 downloads and your guests won’t share your episode? We’ve been there, and we’re putting it all on the table—how language choices affect your brand and reach, why “big name” guests almost never translate to listener growth, and how to structure improv so it lands without a live audience. We get honest about impostor syndrome, burnout, and the moment you realize your strategy isn’t working. Then we walk through practica...

Apple Podcasts podcast player icon Spotify podcast player icon PocketCasts podcast player icon YouTube podcast player icon
Apple Podcasts podcast player icon Spotify podcast player icon PocketCasts podcast player icon YouTube podcast player icon

Send us feedback/questions via Text

Ever feel like your show is stuck at 30 downloads and your guests won’t share your episode? We’ve been there, and we’re putting it all on the table—how language choices affect your brand and reach, why “big name” guests almost never translate to listener growth, and how to structure improv so it lands without a live audience. We get honest about impostor syndrome, burnout, and the moment you realize your strategy isn’t working. Then we walk through practical fixes: crafting episode promises that stop the scroll, building segments that deliver clear payoffs, and setting up chapters so listeners can jump straight to what matters.

We also tackle the messy stuff most shows avoid. If a co‑host keeps low-talking under you, the solution isn’t a new mic—it’s leadership. Hear how to set expectations, give actionable feedback, and make the hard call when behavior doesn’t change. On the tools front, we compare quick-win clip workflows, where AI show notes actually help (FAQs, key takeaways), and why you still need a human ear before you publish. We touch on platform realities—feed limits, chapter support, and the way explicit tags can nuke discoverability in certain markets—so your distribution doesn’t quietly work against you.

Sponsors:
PodcastBranding.co - They see you before they hear you
Basedonastruestorypodcast.com - Comparing Hollywood with History?

Video Version

Mentioned In This Episode

School of Podcasting
https://www.schoolofpodcasting.com/join

Podpage
http://www.trypodpage.com

Home Gadget Geeks
https://www.homegadgegeeks.com


Featured Supporter: Shane from Spybrary
We interview spy authors, espionage historians and fans of spy books, spy movies and spy TV series! Check it out at https://spybrary.com/

Podcast Hot Seat
Grow your podcast audience with Podcast Hot Seat. We help you do more of what is working, and fine tune those things that need polished. In addition to the podcast audit, you get a FREE MONTH at the School of Podcasting (including more coaching). Check it out at https://www.podcasthotseat.com/store
Your Audience Will Thank You!

Support the show

BE AWESOME!
Thanks for listening to the show. Help the show continue to exist and get a shout-out on the show by becoming an awesome supporter by going to askthepodcastcoach.com/awesome

00:00 - Auphonic

00:00 - Live Cold Open, Coffee, Sponsors

02:20 - Podcast Branding.co

03:37 - Based On a True Story Podcast

04:17 - Conferences: Value, Tech Hiccups, Networking

10:54 - Profanity, Platforms, And Audience Expectations

20:27 - Culture, Censorship, And “Explicit” Markets

28:04 - Improv, Comedy, And Why Guest Shares Don’t Grow Shows

36:40 - Motivation, Metrics, And When To Pivot

45:14 - Co‑Hosts, Conflict, And Clear Expectations

53:42 - Clip Tools, AI Show Notes, And Chapters

01:04:32 - Hosts, Feeds, And Platform Quirks

01:07:11 - Join the School of Podcasting

01:07:18 - Awesome Supporters

01:07:32 - Podcast Hot Seat

01:07:56 - Try Podpage

01:08:10 - Home Gadget Geeks

01:08:19 - Shane from SpyBrary

01:09:05 - Support the Show

01:11:02 - What’s Next: Home Gadget Geeks And SOP Plans

01:13:51 - Short Audio Clips?

01:14:02 - Rebranding Podcast Hot Seat

01:15:55 - Let AI Do What You Can't.

01:18:27 - Podchapters.com

01:21:28 - Libsyn Issues

WEBVTT

00:00:00.400 --> 00:00:04.240
Ask the podcast coach for October 4th, 2025.

00:00:04.240 --> 00:00:07.200
Let's get ready to podcast.

00:00:07.200 --> 00:00:09.359
There it is.

00:00:09.359 --> 00:00:12.000
It's that music that means it is Saturday morning.

00:00:12.000 --> 00:00:17.440
It is time for Ask the Podcast Coach, where you get your podcast questions answered live.

00:00:17.440 --> 00:00:20.879
I'm Dave Jackson from theschofodcasting.com.

00:00:20.879 --> 00:00:27.039
And joining me right over there, he's back, the one and only Jim Cullison from theAveregeguy.tv.

00:00:27.039 --> 00:00:28.399
Jim, how's it going, buddy?

00:00:28.719 --> 00:00:29.359
Greetings, Dave.

00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:30.879
Happy Saturday morning to you.

00:00:30.879 --> 00:00:33.679
Sorry to leave you in the lurch a couple weeks ago.

00:00:33.679 --> 00:00:38.719
I literally gave you an hour of notice and said, Yeah, I can't be there.

00:00:38.719 --> 00:00:40.719
And uh I'm still struggling.

00:00:40.719 --> 00:00:42.560
I got a little neck issue, still struggling.

00:00:42.560 --> 00:00:44.880
So I'm in the uh what'd you call that?

00:00:44.880 --> 00:00:45.520
The detroit lean.

00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:50.479
You're doing the Detroit lean, man, where you're just sitting back, hand on the coat.

00:00:50.479 --> 00:00:51.600
Yeah, that's it, man.

00:00:52.079 --> 00:00:54.799
Uh well, I know this is the best position for me.

00:00:54.799 --> 00:00:57.759
Otherwise, uh it gets I get fatigued pretty quick.

00:00:57.759 --> 00:00:58.719
So I'm here.

00:00:59.119 --> 00:01:01.920
I know you've you've done the show with a fever.

00:01:01.920 --> 00:01:05.439
Uh you've done the show after like running 40 stairs.

00:01:05.439 --> 00:01:11.280
The I think the day be like, so I'm like, if Jim's tapping out, something's going on over there.

00:01:11.359 --> 00:01:14.959
So it was cry it wasn't it was crying worthy pain.

00:01:14.959 --> 00:01:17.920
Like I have been I haven't been in this much pain in a long time.

00:01:17.920 --> 00:01:20.400
And uh of course, seeing the doctor and all those other things, right?

00:01:20.400 --> 00:01:25.680
We're we're we're getting taken care of, but it just gets when you get older, it just goes slower, you know?

00:01:25.680 --> 00:01:26.000
Yeah.

00:01:26.000 --> 00:01:31.680
I've been frustrated with my physical therapist who's been helping me, and I'm like, I want this over now.

00:01:31.680 --> 00:01:34.959
And she's like, dude, yeah, relax.

00:01:34.959 --> 00:01:36.079
It's just gonna take some time.

00:01:36.079 --> 00:01:38.879
Anyway, so we'll be in a relaxed position today.

00:01:38.879 --> 00:01:41.680
Appreciate you giving me the uh the the week off.

00:01:41.760 --> 00:01:46.640
So and I would I would normally say, you know what will fix that pain is a oh okay.

00:01:46.640 --> 00:01:48.319
I'm gonna say I didn't see the coffee pot.

00:01:48.560 --> 00:01:50.879
Oh no, we got coffee, but for sure.

00:01:50.879 --> 00:01:54.239
We listen, I could, I could be, I could lose an arm.

00:01:54.239 --> 00:01:56.079
We still have coffee.

00:01:56.079 --> 00:01:58.079
All right.

00:01:58.159 --> 00:02:06.239
Well, that awesome coffee pour is brought to you by our good friend Mark over at podcastbranding.co.

00:02:06.239 --> 00:02:07.439
There we go.

00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:14.400
Because, you know, they're gonna see you before they hear you and or or see you if you're doing the video thing.

00:02:14.400 --> 00:02:18.159
And Mark makes really pretty stuff.

00:02:18.159 --> 00:02:23.120
And uh, in fact, I've hired Mark to do another thing that I'll be talking about in the future.

00:02:23.120 --> 00:02:28.240
So I'm uh not just a fan of his stuff, I'm a customer, I'm a returning customer.

00:02:28.240 --> 00:02:35.599
That's the key, is I'm a returning customer because Mark has been, you know, a graphic designer for over 30 years.

00:02:35.599 --> 00:02:37.280
He's also a podcaster.

00:02:37.280 --> 00:02:42.879
Uh, he's done over 300 different pieces of artwork, and it's not just artwork.

00:02:42.879 --> 00:02:47.360
If you need a full website, he can do that as well.

00:02:47.360 --> 00:02:53.120
And uh he's gonna sit down with you one-on-one, find out what you need, and let him be the marketing guy.

00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:57.599
You're the podcaster person, you focus on the content, he'll make you look great.

00:02:57.599 --> 00:02:59.120
It's all there.

00:02:59.120 --> 00:03:05.199
Go to the website podcastbranding.co, tell him Dave and Jim sent you.

00:03:09.759 --> 00:03:11.520
Jimmy Home.

00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:21.039
And of course, a big thanks to our good friend Dan Lefebvre over there, based on a true story, based on true storypodcast.com.

00:03:21.039 --> 00:03:26.800
This week, we missed a couple weeks, but this week, Donald Runsfeld in the movies with William Cooper.

00:03:26.800 --> 00:03:36.400
If you're if you like that that time in uh in history, that period, of course, he was very influential in all things going on here in the US government.

00:03:36.400 --> 00:03:38.080
You can check it out today.

00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:38.960
Uh check it out.

00:03:38.960 --> 00:03:41.840
Based on a true story, based on a true story podcast.com.

00:03:41.840 --> 00:03:46.159
And as always, Dan, thanks for your sponsorship.

00:03:47.120 --> 00:03:48.000
There you go.

00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:51.439
And here's a here's a let's start off with a fun tangent.

00:03:51.439 --> 00:03:52.000
Why not?

00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:53.120
It's Dave Jackson.

00:03:53.120 --> 00:04:01.039
You've heard me comp you've heard me complain about how bad going to the movies is and how podcasters can learn from this.

00:04:01.039 --> 00:04:10.000
Yeah, I I went to my movie app, which I've now finally unsubscribed, and here's why my local theater has gone out of business.

00:04:10.240 --> 00:04:12.800
Yeah, I think we're gonna see a lot of that in the next couple years.

00:04:12.800 --> 00:04:16.319
So we're gonna see a lot of that, a lot of that.

00:04:16.319 --> 00:04:16.800
Yeah.

00:04:16.800 --> 00:04:18.480
Hey, welcome back, by the way.

00:04:18.480 --> 00:04:20.639
How was uh tell where were you again?

00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:20.959
Tell me.

00:04:21.279 --> 00:04:25.120
I was at the Empowered Podcasting Conference in Charlotte, North Carolina.

00:04:25.120 --> 00:04:32.160
That's a thing that Mark Ronick, I always want to call him Ronic, and it's nope, it's Ryan Ronic, uh as in Ironic.

00:04:33.040 --> 00:04:33.920
Uptown funk guy?

00:04:33.920 --> 00:04:34.560
Mark Ronick?

00:04:34.560 --> 00:04:35.519
Isn't that Uptown?

00:04:36.079 --> 00:04:38.000
No, that's isn't that Bruno Mars?

00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:41.439
No, I mean that's the singer, but it was written, I think, by Mark Ronick.

00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:43.759
Oh, there you go.

00:04:43.759 --> 00:04:46.560
Maybe he's got a you know gig on the side.

00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:49.759
But it was an it was a great facility.

00:04:49.759 --> 00:04:58.160
Like with like as in that, it was kind of like fancy, but not to not like Gaylord fancy.

00:04:58.160 --> 00:04:59.120
Like we don't need that.

00:04:59.120 --> 00:05:01.120
And the location was amazing.

00:05:01.120 --> 00:05:03.600
We myself and Ralph is here.

00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:05.519
He got to meet Dave in in person.

00:05:05.519 --> 00:05:13.920
Yeah, I got to hang out with Ralph and Craig Van Slyck and Mark from Practical Prepping, Mark Lawley, and his wife Krista.

00:05:13.920 --> 00:05:17.120
And so we all went to dinner and Ralph picked up the check.

00:05:17.120 --> 00:05:18.240
Very nice guy for that.

00:05:18.240 --> 00:05:22.639
But we got some really good spaghetti and just this Italian.

00:05:22.639 --> 00:05:24.000
I guess it's a chain.

00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:25.120
Starts with an M.

00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:28.720
There you go, ends with a vowel, shocking Italian restaurant ends in a vowel.

00:05:29.040 --> 00:05:30.240
Macadoodles, macadons.

00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:34.000
Something Marianos, yeah, okay.

00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:45.519
Mark Ronson is the guy that writes the songs for the whole world sings, although that's also Barry Manilo, who shockingly, I think it's true, didn't write that song that he writes the songs.

00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:46.959
That he writes the songs.

00:05:46.959 --> 00:05:48.879
He didn't write the song that he wrote the song about.

00:05:48.879 --> 00:05:50.720
Yeah, so there we go.

00:05:50.720 --> 00:05:57.199
Magianos was that and so everything was in walking distance, so that was cool.

00:05:57.199 --> 00:06:09.040
And got to meet some really cool people, and you know, all and all over it was a it was an intimate gathering, so there's probably sixty to seventy-five people there, you know.

00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:18.240
And it was their it was their second event, so you're gonna have, you know, you're look, there's gonna be wrinkles at Podfest, and they've done that for however many gazillion years.

00:06:18.240 --> 00:06:25.439
So there's always that thing that, you know, A, there's a lot of technology involved, but they're they're and the tech was easy.

00:06:25.439 --> 00:06:35.839
It was basically they started off with three remote three wireless microphones, and the batteries were almost dead in all three of them that you're like going, oops, somebody forgot to change.

00:06:35.839 --> 00:06:39.040
Because usually with those things, it starts to get distorted.

00:06:39.040 --> 00:06:48.800
And what was funny is they like it would go bad and they would hand him another one and it'd be great, and then it'd go distorted, and then so it's like, well, that's what happens on day one.

00:06:49.040 --> 00:06:49.279
Yeah.

00:06:49.600 --> 00:06:50.639
Gotta check the batteries.

00:06:50.639 --> 00:06:51.759
Got the true batteries.

00:06:51.759 --> 00:06:57.040
That's why I don't that's why I I tried to do as little with batteries in the studio here as possible.

00:06:57.040 --> 00:06:57.680
Right?

00:06:57.680 --> 00:07:01.040
It's just because you they're they're always gonna go out that moment.

00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:12.560
The most important moment of your life, they're gonna go out on you, and you're gonna, you know, so it it is uh for those so would you say like did you get a feel?

00:07:12.560 --> 00:07:17.600
Do you think the podcast uh conference space is still viable?

00:07:17.920 --> 00:07:29.279
Like I know we're trying, but it's tough because here's the thing when you're when you're getting a discount at a hotel, you're on the hook for that.

00:07:29.279 --> 00:07:33.360
Whether anybody shows up or not, you're paying for those rooms.

00:07:33.360 --> 00:07:35.680
And so Mark talked about this.

00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:41.839
He was uh on the first day, and it was kind of funny because he just kind of jokingly said, he said, What the hell is wrong with you people?

00:07:41.839 --> 00:07:47.920
You all waited to like the last two weeks to you know, like Memorial Day.

00:07:47.920 --> 00:07:49.360
He said, Really kicked it off.

00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:54.399
He goes, but there he goes, we were this close to canceling this because they had sold a handful.

00:07:54.399 --> 00:07:58.720
He says, but it was like the last two weeks, and everybody jumped in.

00:07:58.720 --> 00:08:05.519
So yeah, SP, hey SP says, I think podcast seminars would be more viable than conferences right now.

00:08:05.519 --> 00:08:07.839
Uh see it here's the thing though.

00:08:07.839 --> 00:08:09.920
The thing I would remember seminars?

00:08:10.079 --> 00:08:12.639
Live seminars or virtual?

00:08:12.959 --> 00:08:15.199
Yeah, I think what do you think he mean by that?

00:08:15.199 --> 00:08:18.079
I'm thinking he's thinking, you know, Zoom stuff.

00:08:18.079 --> 00:08:27.839
Because for for me, the part I took away was not not that the sessions were bad, but it was hanging out with Ralph and and Mark and Craig and Krista.

00:08:27.839 --> 00:08:35.120
It always the last night they rented a floor, a whole floor of this building.

00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:36.879
So we just kind of all hung out together.

00:08:36.879 --> 00:08:39.919
Again, really nice kind of location.

00:08:39.919 --> 00:08:53.600
And it was me and Tracy DeForge and and Jen from the Podcasters, Professional Podcasters Association, and all of a sudden Tracy said exactly what I was thinking, which was man, it's weird to be at a podcast conference and there's no Todd Cochrane.

00:08:53.600 --> 00:08:59.679
And then we we we all just traded Todd stories for about you know 20 minutes, and that was cool.

00:08:59.679 --> 00:09:07.200
Ralph says it was my first conference, and to be honest, I did not have many great takeaways, but maybe I'm not their target market, perhaps.

00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:09.519
And why does everyone need to use profanity?

00:09:09.519 --> 00:09:12.080
That is something that that's kind of weird.

00:09:12.080 --> 00:09:20.559
Look, I'm not a prude, but like every talk, like I'm gonna keep this clean, but they you know, they were talking about stuff a lot.

00:09:20.559 --> 00:09:27.519
Everybody had stuff, and I was like, is there, you know, okay, because to me, if I'm on stage, I want to be professional.

00:09:27.759 --> 00:09:43.519
And not that saying stuff is unprofessional, it was just kind of like, hmm, you know, Jeff C's is out outside of ask the podcast coach, I swear like a sailor, but I try to you you you know, when you're doing these kinds of things, you can go 90 minutes and not say those words.

00:09:43.519 --> 00:09:44.399
It is reasonable.

00:09:44.399 --> 00:09:48.320
Yeah, I mean you can't you can do those for me on a podcast.

00:09:48.799 --> 00:09:52.639
If I don't swear, I can appeal to everyone.

00:09:52.639 --> 00:09:59.279
If I do, there's a lot of moms in the car driving kids to work that are like, ooh, we got to turn this off.

00:09:59.279 --> 00:10:06.240
So yeah, Jeff says, I think smaller conferences are where things are headed, much more intimate and better networking.

00:10:06.240 --> 00:10:09.360
Jeff, how was well, I know the answer to this question, but how is Ecamm?

00:10:09.360 --> 00:10:15.440
I I'm I didn't go to creator camp this year, but that was a very fun event, very unique.

00:10:15.440 --> 00:10:28.000
You basically take over this little itty bitty city in uh somewhere on the outside of Boston, and you go pet alpacas, and it that was a really cool, intimate thing.

00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:32.399
Randy says, I was gonna go uh in the last few weeks, things leading up.

00:10:32.399 --> 00:10:33.919
Yeah, you lost his co-host.

00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:34.879
I need to be there.

00:10:34.879 --> 00:10:35.759
Yeah, absolutely.

00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:37.759
That's one where family comes first.

00:10:37.759 --> 00:10:38.799
Sorry, Randy.

00:10:38.799 --> 00:10:39.360
Yeah.

00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:42.000
So yeah, that's it.

00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:43.279
I'm sending kids to work.

00:10:43.279 --> 00:10:44.320
Yeah, that's it.

00:10:44.320 --> 00:10:51.360
So it was it was a good time, but it it's not always the uh I'm trying to think if it's ever the the sessions.

00:10:51.360 --> 00:11:00.639
And it's funny because you know, the speakers put in a lot of time into their session, but usually the takeaway for me is almost always something I learned in the hallway.

00:11:00.639 --> 00:11:06.639
Like in this case, Megan, I forget Megan's last name, did a great presentation on Facebook ads.

00:11:06.639 --> 00:11:07.519
And I'm like, you know what?

00:11:07.519 --> 00:11:09.279
I need to go back and look at that.

00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:10.159
You know.

00:11:10.159 --> 00:11:19.519
Ralph says, swearing is great when you have a point to make, but otherwise it seems to be a bit of a crutch for those who lack the ability to effectively express themselves.

00:11:19.519 --> 00:11:25.279
Howard Stern, when he came to Sirius, like everybody's like, hey, we can say the F-bomb, and he's like, No, no, no, no.

00:11:25.279 --> 00:11:31.200
He's like that half his fun was how can I not cross the line but come as close as I can to it?

00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:34.559
That was kind of and he said, No, we're not really into that.

00:11:34.559 --> 00:11:42.399
So yeah, Stephanie says uh Sinbad, the comedian, was so funny and never said anything vulgar or curse words, you know.

00:11:42.399 --> 00:11:43.039
So yeah.

00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:45.360
Bill Cosby done.

00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:56.960
Yeah, Bill Cosby, the comedian, not the person, the comedian was very entertaining without, you know, in fact, he would go around and please everybody, you know, you shouldn't be using the S word on everybody.

00:11:56.960 --> 00:11:58.080
Give me some pudding.

00:11:58.080 --> 00:12:02.080
So, you know, well, that's awesome.

00:12:02.320 --> 00:12:13.360
The well, but the the thing is, you know, you and I have been doing this for 10 years, and we have an audience that that joins for they like it, and you and I don't curse on this podcast.

00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:14.480
We just don't.

00:12:14.480 --> 00:12:25.200
And so we never talked about it, we never decided, we never wrote any rules, we just kind of said, we just kind of both you and I are like, Yeah, we don't do that when we podcast, right?

00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:26.320
That's our choice.

00:12:26.320 --> 00:12:27.759
That's what we decided to do.

00:12:27.759 --> 00:12:38.960
It would be really weird, even you know, to Ralph's point, if every once in a while I dropped a swear word or you dropped a swear word for emphasis, we get some we get some interesting feedback on that.

00:12:38.960 --> 00:12:41.440
There would be some folks who are like, hey, listen, what are you doing?

00:12:41.440 --> 00:12:45.840
Yeah, I've been listening to you because you don't, right?

00:12:45.840 --> 00:12:52.080
And so listen, you've got to do whatever you if you want to swear on your podcast, you know, go for it.

00:12:52.080 --> 00:13:04.480
Go, but don't be surprised when if you didn't before, and then you start, don't be surprised if you get you know messages from people who are like, hey, I I listened to you because you didn't do that.

00:13:04.480 --> 00:13:09.679
So again, you can do whatever you want in this space, just know your audience from that perspective.

00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:18.000
I don't want I don't do it because I do this professionally, and I wouldn't I wouldn't ever do it on the Gallup side of things.

00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:24.159
So, you know, it's like, well, then there's gonna be some crossover, and so I just decided a long time ago for the most part.

00:13:24.159 --> 00:13:25.440
Doesn't mean I never have.

00:13:25.440 --> 00:13:28.879
I've probably slipped once or twice, but or maybe three times.

00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:32.559
But but I decide that's the decision I made just to do that.

00:13:32.559 --> 00:13:34.960
If you want to do that, listen, you're welcome to.

00:13:34.960 --> 00:13:37.039
You can do it as much as you want on your podcast, right?

00:13:37.039 --> 00:13:38.559
We just choose not to.

00:13:38.559 --> 00:13:39.759
We just choose not to.

00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:42.399
Stephanie says YouTube is loose in their policy.

00:13:42.399 --> 00:14:03.919
If you haven't seen it, on the channel for YouTube creators, there's a guy from Google, and he's like, so there are there are some curse words like shh and and this, and he's like, and then there are other ones, and it's so funny just watching him in a very nonchalant way, non-emotionally charged way, just drop F bombs and things like that.

00:14:03.919 --> 00:14:04.639
It's so funny.

00:14:04.639 --> 00:14:09.360
It's like, now if you say, and it's like, okay, so it was that was pretty funny.

00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:16.559
Chris from if I can get my mouse to work says, even though I try to avoid saying bad words, that's how some people in the real world talk.

00:14:16.559 --> 00:14:17.840
And that's usually the thing.

00:14:17.840 --> 00:14:19.279
They're like, I'm just keeping it real.

00:14:19.279 --> 00:14:20.399
And I'm like, I get that.

00:14:20.399 --> 00:14:22.559
People can choose with their wallets and their clicks.

00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:22.879
Yeah.

00:14:22.879 --> 00:14:26.639
I mean, just a second ago, I now I was quoting Mark.

00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:30.799
I could have said, and Mark said, What the heck are you guys, what the heck is wrong with you guys?

00:14:30.799 --> 00:14:33.039
I said H E double hockey stick.

00:14:33.039 --> 00:14:35.759
So, you know, that's but I was quoting somebody.

00:14:35.759 --> 00:14:45.360
So and I also I also agree there are curse words, and then there are, you know, look, if you get a little bit of dog poop on your shoe, it might be feces.

00:14:45.360 --> 00:14:54.399
And then if you get more, it's a little poop, and then if you get a little more on your shoe, it's crap, you know, and then eventually you're like, oh man, I stepped in a ton of dog sh you know.

00:14:54.399 --> 00:14:55.519
It's like, okay.

00:14:55.519 --> 00:14:58.799
So it's it kind of different levels, different words.

00:14:58.799 --> 00:14:59.440
For sure.

00:14:59.440 --> 00:15:05.360
My favorite line from George Carlin, he said the F-word is the one you save for the end of the argument.

00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:07.919
It's like that's kind of true.

00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:10.000
Um the good day, sir.

00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:11.600
Good day, sir.

00:15:11.600 --> 00:15:12.000
Yes.

00:15:12.000 --> 00:15:18.879
Chris says Gary V exclude ex excludes many people because he bobs and scats with F bombs.

00:15:18.879 --> 00:15:22.320
But Ben Yeah, he's that's his thing.

00:15:23.200 --> 00:15:23.600
People don't know what's going on.

00:15:23.600 --> 00:15:25.039
That's your shit with Gary V.

00:15:25.039 --> 00:15:26.960
You know what you're getting with him, right?

00:15:26.960 --> 00:15:30.720
You you you're he's weeded out the people who don't like that.

00:15:30.720 --> 00:15:32.240
They are not gonna go back to it.

00:15:32.320 --> 00:15:32.879
Yeah, yeah.

00:15:32.879 --> 00:15:35.759
I don't have to prepare anything, and I can swear like a sailor.

00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:37.279
Yay, that's my brand.

00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:37.759
Okay.

00:15:37.759 --> 00:15:47.200
And also keep in mind, Gary V just just purchased apparently part of the stand store.

00:15:47.200 --> 00:15:58.879
It's this kind of what if Link Tree had a baby with uh I don't know, kind not even WordPress, but it's it's with the circle, maybe.

00:15:58.879 --> 00:16:02.399
Like you can do courses and stuff with it.

00:16:02.399 --> 00:16:04.879
And if that's not enough, but wait, there's more.

00:16:04.879 --> 00:16:12.320
Steven, what's his name from Diary of a CEO also bought a chunk of the stand store thing.

00:16:12.320 --> 00:16:18.559
So just brace yourself because we're gonna hear a lot about how the stand store is the next big thing.

00:16:18.559 --> 00:16:22.639
And you need to forget, I I remember I saw Pat Flynn, and I love Pat Flynn.

00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:25.039
Said, oh, you don't need a website anymore, you just need stand.

00:16:25.039 --> 00:16:26.399
And I was like, let me see.

00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:29.440
Oh, and Pat is an advisor to the company.

00:16:29.440 --> 00:16:35.440
And I was like, because he actually also we have a uh testimonial from Pat Flynn saying how great Podpage is.

00:16:35.440 --> 00:16:38.080
And I was like, hmm, that's interesting.

00:16:38.080 --> 00:16:46.080
And so just keep in mind that all of a sudden I I predict in the the next month or so we're gonna hear how, oh what, you don't have a stand store?

00:16:46.080 --> 00:16:47.840
And I was like, Oh, here we go.

00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:52.639
So it's always interesting how these guys love these products once they own a piece of it.

00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:56.080
So that's uh that's the business of it, right?

00:16:56.240 --> 00:17:02.159
Yeah, and they could also say that, you know, they bought a piece of it because they believe in the product.

00:17:02.159 --> 00:17:04.079
I mean, so I I get that too.

00:17:04.079 --> 00:17:05.920
So here we go.

00:17:05.920 --> 00:17:10.480
Stephanie says a boy in my church got in trouble for saying son of a biscuit.

00:17:10.480 --> 00:17:13.039
And his father told him, I never want to hear you say that.

00:17:13.039 --> 00:17:15.759
I remember growing up, you weren't allowed to say sucks.

00:17:16.640 --> 00:17:17.519
Yeah, I got in trouble.

00:17:17.519 --> 00:17:20.400
I got in trouble for in college for saying that from the platform.

00:17:20.400 --> 00:17:20.720
Yeah.

00:17:20.720 --> 00:17:23.359
He said, Sometimes this world really sucks.

00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:32.160
And then my the dean, he would later become the dean of the school, but he comes up to me and he goes, You you need to you need to go to apologize for what you said.

00:17:32.160 --> 00:17:36.319
I said, and I thought he meant the message of what I was saying, not the word.

00:17:36.319 --> 00:17:40.799
And he go, and I said, Well, I I wouldn't I wouldn't regret anything that I said.

00:17:40.799 --> 00:17:43.279
I I believed it from my heart, you know, whatever.

00:17:43.279 --> 00:17:44.880
And he was like, No, the S word.

00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:52.640
And I was like, Did I say, did I say, you know, you you start going through the speech again, and you're like, I didn't say I didn't say the S word.

00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:55.920
Oh, and then I he he mouthed it.

00:17:55.920 --> 00:17:56.799
He couldn't even say it.

00:17:56.799 --> 00:17:58.160
He goes, It sucks.

00:17:58.160 --> 00:18:01.920
And I'm like, Oh, yeah, I said that.

00:18:01.920 --> 00:18:03.759
I'm sure I said that.

00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:06.240
I said, All right, you're fine.

00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:07.359
I said, it's you're right.

00:18:07.359 --> 00:18:08.559
I'm a California kid.

00:18:08.559 --> 00:18:10.400
I grew up saying that everywhere.

00:18:10.400 --> 00:18:12.720
My parents didn't care if I said it or not.

00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:16.000
I didn't, I don't see that as a curse word, but some people do, right?

00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:20.880
So so I went up on the platform and apologized and to the to the audience.

00:18:20.880 --> 00:18:27.119
And after the session was over, I had a dozen people come up to me and say, because I didn't say what I said.

00:18:27.119 --> 00:18:29.119
I just said if I offended you, I'm sorry.

00:18:29.119 --> 00:18:30.480
What did you say?

00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:31.599
What did you say?

00:18:31.599 --> 00:18:35.039
More people started listening to me after that.

00:18:35.039 --> 00:18:36.640
He's edgy.

00:18:36.640 --> 00:18:39.359
Like, oh my gosh, he says things.

00:18:39.359 --> 00:18:40.559
I mean, maybe that's a tactic.

00:18:40.559 --> 00:18:51.279
Just go up and apologize at some point for something you don't say what it is, and then maybe people will listen more in the future because they'll be like, Is he saying things I should be listening to?

00:18:51.279 --> 00:18:53.039
So it might be a good option there.

00:18:53.279 --> 00:18:59.200
I had fun just this is this is kind of a Howard Stern moment where, like, oh, I can say this and it's not wrong.

00:18:59.200 --> 00:19:09.440
I I forget the name of the character, but there's a story in the Bible about some guy that picked up the jawbone of a donkey and then beat people with it.

00:19:09.440 --> 00:19:12.559
And I explained how this guy went around and killed all these people.

00:19:12.559 --> 00:19:17.200
And of course, another name for donkey is that one.

00:19:17.200 --> 00:19:21.440
Yeah, and I said, So he he beat people with a with a piece of ass.

00:19:21.440 --> 00:19:24.960
And I was like, I just want to say that because I can say it in a church and it's accurate.

00:19:25.920 --> 00:19:26.880
That is good.

00:19:27.680 --> 00:19:29.759
And everybody was like, ah, that's not dirty.

00:19:29.759 --> 00:19:33.119
And I'm like, nope, I know you want to get offended because I said that word.

00:19:33.119 --> 00:19:33.680
Yeah.

00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:37.920
Jeff says, I said screwed up in church and a church message and got in trouble.

00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:41.279
Yeah, these are all these are because that was sexual.

00:19:41.279 --> 00:19:42.559
Ooh, it's sexual.

00:19:42.880 --> 00:19:43.200
Yeah.

00:19:43.200 --> 00:19:45.599
So I say holy buckets a lot.

00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:47.359
I'll be like, holy buckets.

00:19:47.519 --> 00:19:48.319
That sounds like Robin.

00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:51.359
I don't know why I just started saying that.

00:19:51.359 --> 00:19:53.200
Too much early Batman.

00:19:53.200 --> 00:19:53.519
Yeah.

00:19:53.519 --> 00:19:59.200
Because Robin would be like, holy, you know, Audio Technica 2100, Batman.

00:19:59.200 --> 00:19:59.839
Yeah.

00:19:59.839 --> 00:20:06.480
John Jamango says, I got in trouble one time editing a podcast because I left Damn in Hell because it was a clean show.

00:20:06.480 --> 00:20:08.400
Yeah, that's yeah, that's there.

00:20:08.400 --> 00:20:08.720
You go.

00:20:08.720 --> 00:20:10.319
There goes our clean rating.

00:20:10.319 --> 00:20:11.759
Uh see, I just said those words.

00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:12.240
Doggone.

00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:13.359
See those as cursed words.

00:20:13.359 --> 00:20:14.160
That's it.

00:20:15.759 --> 00:20:16.400
Well, that's the one.

00:20:16.400 --> 00:20:21.279
Like, you know, there's so many more worse ones than that.

00:20:21.279 --> 00:20:23.119
But but why are they worse?

00:20:23.119 --> 00:20:27.359
Like, I mean, think about this, think of the anatomy of a swear word, right?

00:20:27.359 --> 00:20:29.680
I mean, that why?

00:20:29.680 --> 00:20:32.319
Because we've collectively said they are.

00:20:32.319 --> 00:20:34.400
Like, and I know they're meanings.

00:20:34.400 --> 00:20:35.039
That's really it.

00:20:35.039 --> 00:20:38.960
I know they have they had meanings in the in the but it yeah.

00:20:38.960 --> 00:20:39.920
Isn't that funny?

00:20:39.920 --> 00:20:42.880
That we that word, you think about the F word, right?

00:20:42.880 --> 00:20:45.599
And that is such a dividing line.

00:20:45.599 --> 00:20:48.720
I think you you you have to have an opinion on that word.

00:20:48.720 --> 00:20:53.599
And most people would say the F word is out of bounds, right?

00:20:53.599 --> 00:20:54.400
For the most part.

00:20:54.400 --> 00:20:56.000
But why?

00:20:56.000 --> 00:20:59.200
Like it's just a word.

00:20:59.599 --> 00:21:21.519
My favorite is was watching The Longest Yard with Burt Reynolds, the original one, which is just wow on TV where they clean it up and it would be like, son of a buck, you know, you you you son of a biscuit eater, you know, mother lover, like wait, what?

00:21:21.519 --> 00:21:23.440
So it's just weird.

00:21:23.440 --> 00:21:25.759
And you're like, I don't think that's what they were saying.

00:21:25.920 --> 00:21:26.240
Yeah.

00:21:26.480 --> 00:21:29.599
Dan Lefebb says, uh, swearing is a social thing.

00:21:29.599 --> 00:21:31.920
Fifty years ago, the swear words were different.

00:21:31.920 --> 00:21:36.000
Some people are just too sensitive, in his honest opinion.

00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:36.559
Yes.

00:21:36.559 --> 00:21:37.759
Holy grail.

00:21:37.759 --> 00:21:38.319
Yeah.

00:21:38.319 --> 00:21:42.000
Uh there's, you know, yeah, uh Daniel G.

00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:46.480
Lewis says, my favorite non-curse phrase is what the Huey doing, Louie?

00:21:46.480 --> 00:21:47.519
Yeah.

00:21:47.759 --> 00:21:49.599
Hey, it's uh is fart a curse word?

00:21:49.599 --> 00:21:51.839
Is is that let's let's weigh in on this.

00:21:52.319 --> 00:22:04.880
See, when we can you say that when we get to when we get to bodily functions, yeah, people get a little weird because you know, we all fart, but yet if you say fart, you know, I think I I'm smelling uh ah, there you go.

00:22:04.880 --> 00:22:06.240
So you didn't even think about that.

00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:09.200
It's like I'm smelling uh an episode title for this.

00:22:09.200 --> 00:22:10.960
But uh, where's my rim shots?

00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:12.400
Anatomy of a curse word?

00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:13.279
Yeah, yeah.

00:22:13.279 --> 00:22:20.880
There are there's a there was a thing on Netflix that went through like why is the F-word, where did it come from?

00:22:20.880 --> 00:22:21.599
What was this?

00:22:21.599 --> 00:22:23.039
How did we get this word?

00:22:23.039 --> 00:22:26.319
Yeah, Chris Stone from Castahead.net.

00:22:26.319 --> 00:22:32.400
When I worked for Sony, one of my accounts wanted a clean version of a two short album.

00:22:32.400 --> 00:22:34.880
I sent him an instrumental version.

00:22:34.880 --> 00:22:36.400
Well, that's it.

00:22:36.400 --> 00:22:44.319
I mean, some of the these kids of the day, you know, I see them on the TV, on the MTV music awards, and every other word is bleeped out.

00:22:44.319 --> 00:22:45.759
I'm like, well, okay.

00:22:45.759 --> 00:22:48.799
I still remember, let's see.

00:22:48.799 --> 00:22:52.079
Elton John, someone saved my life tonight.

00:22:52.079 --> 00:22:57.119
He says it's four o'clock in the morning, darn it, but he doesn't say darn it, you know.

00:22:57.119 --> 00:23:00.559
So, and I was just like, he just said darn it on the radio.

00:23:00.559 --> 00:23:16.960
I was like, holy cow! And then Axel Rose, uh Guns N' Roses, or Ted Nugent on Double Ive Gonzo is that's one of those where you're like, you know, I'd like to dedicate this to all the Nashville good-looking women body parts.

00:23:16.960 --> 00:23:18.960
Yeah, so it's yeah.

00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:23.200
And then Chris says, another Chris, we have buy one Chris get a second one free today.

00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:25.680
I guess it depends on where you live and where you grow up.

00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:27.759
Swear words and normal conversation.

00:23:27.759 --> 00:23:47.599
I I know for there is a community aspect to it where we're all good people, but when we get around our boys, now we can talk freely, and it's it's kind of a sign of camaraderie, like, hey, I trust you enough, because you know, if you say a swear word, I might go tell your mom, you know, that kind of thing.

00:23:47.599 --> 00:23:49.039
I've seen I've I've read about that.

00:23:49.039 --> 00:23:53.279
I've I actually studied a little bit, like, why are curse words curse words?

00:23:53.279 --> 00:23:55.680
And you know, here we go.

00:23:55.680 --> 00:23:59.039
Who else remembers Battlestar Galactica's frack?

00:23:59.039 --> 00:24:01.759
Yeah, I've fracking, yeah, that's true.

00:24:01.839 --> 00:24:04.960
There's all sorts of that was that is just blatant, you know.

00:24:04.960 --> 00:24:08.240
That's just a blatant replacement type deal, but it's okay.

00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:10.640
I mean, yeah, they got away with it.

00:24:10.640 --> 00:24:11.599
Yeah.

00:24:13.200 --> 00:24:14.240
There we go.

00:24:14.240 --> 00:24:19.200
W John Jamingo says, I was impressed with a story from Daniel J.

00:24:19.200 --> 00:24:19.680
Lewis.

00:24:19.680 --> 00:24:23.440
He smashed his thumbnail moving a desk and didn't swear.

00:24:23.440 --> 00:24:26.160
I yeah, I don't know that that would be possible.

00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:30.799
Although stubbing your toe, usually the swear when you're hurt.

00:24:30.960 --> 00:24:34.960
Why do you why do you go to those words in those moments?

00:24:35.039 --> 00:24:36.559
I mean, that's a really good question.

00:24:37.039 --> 00:24:39.759
Stress, pain, let's put let's put those together.

00:24:39.759 --> 00:24:41.119
Why do we do that?

00:24:41.119 --> 00:24:44.480
Like, what is the you know to show that it really hurts?

00:24:44.559 --> 00:25:02.079
That there's this like this isn't just a owl and ouch, same way, like we went from feces to to poop to to crap to you know, and now like when you when you accidentally, you know, you move the footstool and you hit it with your toe, after you get done going, right?

00:25:02.079 --> 00:25:05.200
That's the natural thing, and then it's like mother.

00:25:05.200 --> 00:25:07.279
Like, yeah.

00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:09.759
So that's and I think that's it.

00:25:09.759 --> 00:25:14.240
Yeah, when you that's like that's that's a 12.

00:25:18.079 --> 00:25:21.759
Uh bob.

00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:25.039
When you drop that bob, all that's it.

00:25:25.039 --> 00:25:26.000
Everybody stay away.

00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:28.240
It's gonna take just go, yeah, yeah.

00:25:28.559 --> 00:25:30.000
Yeah, it's uh it's what Chris says.

00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:32.319
It's the emotional outcry to the world.

00:25:32.319 --> 00:25:33.200
Yeah.

00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:38.319
They're talking about editing Eddie Murphy's Raw album.

00:25:38.319 --> 00:25:38.880
Oh, yeah.

00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:42.559
Chris says that album would be silence, followed by a crowd laughing their guts off.

00:25:43.440 --> 00:25:49.680
Well, didn't George Carlin do one too that was that didn't he do the seven seven words you can't say?

00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:51.039
Wasn't that George Carlin?

00:25:51.039 --> 00:25:51.279
Yeah.

00:25:51.279 --> 00:25:51.920
Who did that?

00:25:51.920 --> 00:25:58.559
And yeah, I mean, you you you you know I loved Craig Ferguson used to bleep because he just swore on the show.

00:25:58.559 --> 00:25:58.880
Right.

00:25:58.880 --> 00:26:05.680
But he would bleep it with funny, he had funny phrases, yeah, you know, I'll watch a coming agoin' or something like that.

00:26:05.680 --> 00:26:09.039
You know, he had all these phrases and he'd bleep them out with that kind of stuff.

00:26:09.039 --> 00:26:11.279
What am I that's creative way of doing it?

00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:19.839
Well, my favorite is Jen Briney, Congressionaldish.com, a website, by the way, designed by Mark at podcastbranding.co.

00:26:19.839 --> 00:26:31.119
And uh Jen starts off very it's a news show, and she's reading her news and she's very proper, and then she starts reading about the crazy things that Congress is doing.

00:26:31.119 --> 00:26:48.880
And when she says the F word, Daryl Darnell is her editor from uh Pro Podcast Solutions, he substitutes a golf swing, which is perfect because it's like, and these shrieking guys and this guy's and I, you know, I'm thinking, what the sweak?

00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:50.960
And it's like, oh, that that fits perfectly.

00:26:51.119 --> 00:26:52.319
So it's a good way to do it.

00:26:52.319 --> 00:26:53.359
It's a good way to do it.

00:26:53.359 --> 00:26:54.720
Replace it with something fun.

00:26:54.720 --> 00:27:01.680
Don't do the or the boop or the beeps or the like do the duck quack something, yeah.

00:27:02.079 --> 00:27:12.880
Well, as SP says, going into another language to swear is one of the most respectful ways to express profanity in a monolingual crowd, except the Spanish crowd is gonna be like, why is he?

00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:16.960
So Why are you offending me in my language?

00:27:17.200 --> 00:27:18.079
Uh in my own language.

00:27:18.079 --> 00:27:23.119
They're like now now all the Spanish people are gonna be like, well, we gotta turn this off.

00:27:23.119 --> 00:27:23.920
I don't know.

00:27:23.920 --> 00:27:29.440
So you know, words, you know, it's it's uh we're yeah.

00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:39.279
And that's that's I think to me why I think they're fun, because in the end they are just kind of words, but you know, somehow we we will, you know.

00:27:39.599 --> 00:27:41.440
Well, but people have a real opinion.

00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:47.359
Like some people see cursing as as a lower version of language.

00:27:47.359 --> 00:28:04.960
In other words, they'll say, You curse because you're you don't have enough langu control of your own language to use more creative words, or you you know, or you know, the profanity is some kind of it a degradation to the culture kind of thing.

00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:10.160
So there's some folks who have a real strong opinion about what that cursing means, right?

00:28:10.160 --> 00:28:11.119
To the to them.

00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:13.920
And it gets kind of it gets kind of personal sometimes, you know, with that.

00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:16.240
There's others who are like, yeah, it's fine.

00:28:16.240 --> 00:28:17.440
I mean, I'm I hear it all the time.

00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:20.880
I don't see it as any being any different than any other word in that sense.

00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:34.240
So definitely that culture of how people see those things, and you definitely, I mean, there are definitely groups of folks who gather who then impose those things on each other in some of those kinds of ways.

00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:37.680
So it's certainly it's certainly a challenge from a podcasting standpoint.

00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:40.559
It it all goes back, Dave, is know your audience, right?

00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:43.519
Who are you speaking to with these kinds of things?

00:28:43.519 --> 00:28:49.759
And back to my example, I shouldn't have said sucks from the platform at a Bible college.

00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:50.079
Right.

00:28:50.079 --> 00:28:50.640
That's right.

00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:52.480
I you know, I shouldn't have said that.

00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:53.759
I should have known better.

00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:56.160
It was handled, by the way, perfectly.

00:28:56.160 --> 00:29:00.880
Like the, you know, the the university president who pulled me aside.

00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:03.519
You know, you you admonish, right?

00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:07.440
You admonish in public, you correct in private, right?

00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:10.960
That's that's usually that's a good leadership skill to have.

00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:12.240
He pulled me aside.

00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:17.839
He didn't get up on the platform and make fun of me or call me out from the platform, right?

00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:24.079
He pulled me aside and said, Hey, I I need you, let's correct this kind of thing, right?

00:29:24.079 --> 00:29:25.279
And that was his opinion.

00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:26.319
I didn't think it was that bad.

00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:27.759
But but okay.

00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:30.880
I think there's some good lessons in that from podcasters.

00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:39.839
I think there's some good lessons in that we can learn from each other, is that you know, oftentimes, listen, we control the microphone, we control the chat room from that standpoint.

00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:45.920
And and and I really do believe as much as we can, those corrections need to be done privately.

00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:50.319
And then, you know, but but celebrate each other publicly as much as we can.

00:29:50.319 --> 00:29:51.920
That's a great way to do it as well.

00:29:51.920 --> 00:29:54.240
So I think there's some good lessons in that.

00:29:54.640 --> 00:29:57.279
Yeah, I'm trying to find my list.

00:29:57.279 --> 00:29:59.759
I used to have a list of countries.

00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:01.440
That I got from Daniel J.

00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:02.319
Lewis.

00:30:02.319 --> 00:30:06.240
And they're all like something stands, blah, blah, blah.

00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:14.640
You know, Rich Graham has everybody's favorite curse word, which is pound sign, percent sign, pound, and percent.

00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:15.759
That's hilarious.

00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:17.599
Yeah, I can't find it.

00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:19.359
But it they're all in the Middle East.

00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:20.400
I remember that.

00:30:20.400 --> 00:30:24.160
It's all gigstackey stan and gigaby.

00:30:24.160 --> 00:30:25.200
I cannot find it.

00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:30.559
Because I'm sitting here typing in hashtag cuss, hashtag swear.

00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:33.920
I cannot find it anywhere.

00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:39.200
So, Daniel, I don't know if you have that uh list somewhere, because that's where I got it from him.

00:30:39.200 --> 00:30:41.680
But there are a bunch, most of them are in the Middle East.

00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:43.920
But it it's like seven or eight countries.

00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:49.839
And it's if if you and I'm not sure exactly what the process is.

00:30:49.839 --> 00:31:04.799
Like if you swear, especially now with transcripts, maybe Apple could, in theory, if they see one of those words, automatically flag your episode as explicit, not saying they do this.

00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:06.480
I'm just saying that's possible now.

00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:13.279
And if you mark one episode explicit, these other countries just like you are out of the Apple store.

00:31:13.279 --> 00:31:15.200
So yeah.

00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:18.079
So that's well, here this is what I'm worried about.

00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:22.160
Craig says in Spain, people swear so much the words have lost their effect.

00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:26.720
And that's why when I say you shouldn't swear, it's not that I'm offended.

00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:27.839
It's like, no, no, no.

00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:30.559
I want to preserve the power of the F word.

00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:33.279
I'm like, don't just use it like it's, you know.

00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:41.200
And that's that's because otherwise, how what are you gonna say for the end of the argument if the F-word has lost its power?

00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:42.640
You say good day, sir.

00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:43.200
Good day.

00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:43.920
That's it.

00:31:43.920 --> 00:31:44.720
That's what you say.

00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:45.839
That's what you say.

00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:47.759
That's how you end an argument.

00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:49.200
You just say good day.

00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:51.119
Well, let's see if this works.

00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:55.200
This is my list, but I think a few of these have been removed, so I don't know.

00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:56.400
I have three dots.

00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:58.799
Maybe you can't make that long of a comment.

00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:01.759
But or maybe those words aren't aren't allowed to be.

00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:02.240
Anyway.

00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:04.000
I love John Jamingo's quote.

00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:05.279
Throw that up there, Dave, really quick.

00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:11.599
It says I tell those people who say cursing is for low intelligence to go themselves.

00:32:11.599 --> 00:32:14.400
That's it.

00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:15.920
Oh, very good, John.

00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:16.720
Very good.

00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:17.359
All right.

00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:28.160
Well, we have a fun, it's a long one, but I I was like, hey, look, it's it's something that's not what's the best microphone under 200 bucks.

00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:29.680
I saw this out at Reddit.

00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:34.079
I don't know that I'll read this whole thing, but he says, this is not easy to write.

00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:34.799
Apologies.

00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:36.880
I'll split it into two or three.

00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:40.000
Feel free to ignore the second part, et cetera, et cetera.

00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:43.920
Where do should I be sending press kits to my guest?

00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:48.720
I host a comedy interview podcast called Tyrant in Training.

00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:57.119
So to me, Tyrant in Training, I don't I I would think that's a business show for CEOs, maybe, or something.

00:32:57.119 --> 00:32:57.839
I don't know.

00:32:57.839 --> 00:33:01.920
And I I definitely wouldn't guess that as a comedy show, but that's just me.

00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:03.359
That's a survey of one.

00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:07.119
And I usually have guests on that have plenty of online followers.

00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:09.759
They're right there to me is a bit of a red flag.

00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:19.200
For context, I I have a podcast doing 30 downloads each episode, but guests have hundreds of thousands of followers and are comedians themselves.

00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:22.559
I tag them in posts, but they only sometimes share.

00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:25.519
So should I send out press kits to them?

00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:29.920
And so that's where, for me at least, you're you're missing the boat.

00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:40.640
I first of all, especially on social media, unless it's naked people with swear words, you're probably not going to get people to stop.

00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:54.960
I mean, when I I started look at yourself when you're on social media and you're going through the Twitters and the threads and then like, I literally am scrolling, looking for anything, and whatever you say has to stop the scroll first.

00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:58.559
So let's say you were lucky enough to get them to stop the scroll.

00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:11.679
Then whatever you said, you have, I would say, a very small chance of getting someone to actually click and leave their doom scrolling to go watch your show or listen to it.

00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:12.480
I I don't know.

00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:14.719
That's he he goes on.

00:34:14.719 --> 00:34:23.519
He says, I feel, let's see, I'm in this terrible state of spiraling into despair and continuing this podcast.

00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:24.400
I do enjoy it.

00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:34.400
Now that's weird, because you know, I I love my bike riding, but I'm not gonna do it anymore because, you know, I like if you enjoy it.

00:34:34.400 --> 00:34:40.000
So, but man, over a hundred episodes and still 30 downloads each episode, it's depressing.

00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:41.360
Over and over again.

00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:46.159
I've got good guests on, like with plenty of followers, but none of it matters.

00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:49.440
So for me, let's let's look at that a second.

00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:52.880
You've done this multiple times and you've got 30 downloads.

00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:56.559
I think it's time to say that strategy is not working.

00:34:56.559 --> 00:34:59.599
Doesn't mean it's, you know, your show's bad.

00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:02.480
Uh it's always the same download numbers.

00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:04.239
Here's what's really bugging me, though.

00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:12.480
I ask people if they like to guest, and I get really enthusiastic feedback saying the premise sounds great and they'd love to do it.

00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:15.679
They record an episode, seems great after that.

00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:28.880
Some share when uh when they're tagged, but any follow-up email I sent, even just yanking them, I think it means thanking them, is most times no response or just okay or a short reply back.

00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:39.280
It's like, hey, they go from excited to not wanting to deal with me, and it feels like they loved the premise, but then recorded it and realized it's crap.

00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:41.199
Well, that that could be.

00:35:41.199 --> 00:35:42.239
That's an option.

00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:46.719
So I'm left with the common denominator in every episode is me.

00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:49.280
That's kind of dangerous, but okay.

00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:51.920
I'm the reason it ever gets 30 downloads.

00:35:51.920 --> 00:36:08.159
I'm annoying, off-putting something which really messes with my mind because then I go, email a guest, they are enthusiastic about it, they record with me and are laughing and saying it's fun, and I act like I'm fully believing them, but internally I'm telling myself, nope, they regret this.

00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:09.440
I'm ruining it.

00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:11.519
It's hard to enjoy doing an improv.

00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:15.920
Oh, there's a there's a word right there that makes me very worried.

00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:24.079
Improv comedy podcast when looking for a guest and thinking they hate me, they wish some else doing this right now.

00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:33.519
So now we're into a, we're we're piling on imposter syndrome to or we're adding, you know, fire to the imposter syndrome here.

00:36:33.519 --> 00:36:40.880
Doing 12-hour work days, and then finding time to put out a podcast every week is time consuming and draining.

00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:43.679
I love doing the podcast, but do you?

00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:49.280
It doesn't sound like it, but it's disheartening to see this proof that I'm bad at it.

00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:53.440
This is where he needs to go to buzzsprout.com/slash stats.

00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:57.280
I think the average is like 37 downloads an episode.

00:36:57.280 --> 00:37:03.599
Other people can do podcasts, and after 10 episodes in a crowded niche, they can sail past 30 downloads.

00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:05.840
I believe I've a good premise.

00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:09.039
So number two, he's staring at his competition.

00:37:09.039 --> 00:37:13.119
I believe good premise, and I think the quality is good.

00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:14.559
I'm just the issue.

00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:17.519
I'm a bad host, a bad person to attract any listeners.

00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:30.159
Common advice is to market by asking guests to share the episodes, guests on other podcasts, but it's like I rarely get guests sharing episodes, and I can never find any podcasts for me to be a guest on.

00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:31.519
That's not true.

00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:34.000
And there are shows that will take anybody.

00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:36.239
Again, I love doing the podcast.

00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:39.599
To me, it's starting to sound like he's convincing himself here.

00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:43.519
And I try to focus, try not to focus on download numbers at all.

00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:45.280
Enjoy the process, you know.

00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:51.519
I think the fact gets guests seem to ignore me once I record with them triggers, rejection issues.

00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:53.119
So that's not good.

00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:55.039
Honestly, I need to get this out so I can.

00:37:55.039 --> 00:37:55.920
I think that's what he's doing.

00:37:55.920 --> 00:37:58.079
I think he's just doing therapy on Reddit.

00:37:58.079 --> 00:38:06.719
Side note, I'm already in a mix of shame for posting this for anyone to see, and shaky conviction that it's good to let it out.

00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:12.000
I could boss, I could probably shy away from any comments about this whiny part.

00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:12.719
I don't know.

00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:15.840
What do you think, Jim, when you hear all this stuff?

00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:17.920
I mean, it's all true, right?

00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:25.760
I mean, we we all go through these moments of self-doubt and of of questioning are we do we you know, does this make any sense?

00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:29.760
Whether we have 30 or 300 or 30,000 downloads.

00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:32.320
You know, a lot of folks wish for more downloads.

00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:36.079
That comes with its own uh pressure and stress.

00:38:36.079 --> 00:38:36.480
Right.

00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:46.000
You know, you get you you start getting, you know, anything over 10,000 and you start getting some really, I think you start getting some really interesting feedback from people.

00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:57.599
And then now you're listening to your most engaged listeners who sometimes are worse than when you had nobody, you know, or when you had a small, when you had a small audience.

00:38:57.599 --> 00:39:04.079
They they take things personally or they you know, they give you advice that you're yeah, I'm you're not gonna follow.

00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:08.800
I mean, I I had one this week, somebody in my podcast saying, I really wish you'd do this.

00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:10.239
And I'm like, well, I appreciate that.

00:39:10.239 --> 00:39:11.119
I appreciate the feedback.

00:39:11.119 --> 00:39:12.079
I'm not gonna do it.

00:39:12.320 --> 00:39:12.480
Right.

00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:20.239
And if you you know, if you if you need to go, because you know, there's always it it's in some of the feedback, there's always veiled threats of leaving.

00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:21.679
I'm gonna stop listening.

00:39:21.679 --> 00:39:23.760
And you're like, okay.

00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:31.039
I mean, stop listening because you're not you I we've overshot the target for you, apparently, at this point, right?

00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:31.440
Right.

00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:36.559
And and so, you know, of course, as you pick up more listeners, then you get more of those kinds of things.

00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:40.000
I think that's and people struggle with that just as much.

00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:49.360
I mean, I've I've watched a dozen, that's probably too many, six YouTubers come and go because of their their audience.

00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:54.559
I mean, they flat out said, I'm not doing this anymore because you guys are terrible.

00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:57.760
You're terrible people, you write terrible things.

00:39:57.760 --> 00:40:00.719
I don't need this, I don't need the stress, you know.

00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:15.119
I've also watched YouTubers come on and then try to please or talk to their audience through their, you know, through their their their their video and say, oh, we got this comment or I got that comment, you know, some of these kinds of things.

00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:18.480
So be careful what you wish for from that standpoint.

00:40:18.480 --> 00:40:21.199
But 30's 30's not bad.

00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:22.639
If you love it, keep doing it.

00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:24.079
If you don't like it, stop.

00:40:24.079 --> 00:40:30.320
I mean, it's it's a fairly easy, you know, there's nothing validating about having a podcast.

00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:35.440
There's nothing that makes you better or worse than anybody if you have one or you don't have one.

00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:37.599
If it's not working for you, just stop.

00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:39.280
Give it, take a break.

00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:41.119
Do something different, you know.

00:40:41.119 --> 00:40:42.960
Get it get away from it for a while.

00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:44.639
Uh, you don't have to have one.

00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:54.559
You know, if you like doing it though, I I always said when I first started blogging, my very first blog was like, look, I'm gonna write this, and if nobody reads it, it's okay.

00:40:54.559 --> 00:40:55.920
Because I write it for me.

00:40:55.920 --> 00:40:58.239
This is for this is for me.

00:40:58.239 --> 00:41:00.079
This is to help me do some things.

00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:06.320
I still in the podcasting world, these still are about I I do this because I like doing it, you know.

00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:11.440
We don't, you know, we don't ask the podcast coach, it doesn't have giant numbers, but it has enough.

00:41:11.440 --> 00:41:13.679
It's got 40 people in the chat room.

00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:15.599
It's I get to hang out with you.

00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:17.119
That's enough for me, right?

00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:25.280
So, anyways, everybody comes at this from a different motivation, and I think you just gotta check your motivation and be like, why am I doing this?

00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:26.639
Is it fulfilling it?

00:41:26.639 --> 00:41:27.760
Do we need to stop it?

00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:31.920
I mean, home gadget geeks will come up on 15 years this December.

00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:33.440
15 years, Dave.

00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:38.320
Wow, sometimes I'm like, do is this should I stop?

00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:42.159
I mean, I asked this question about what's a quarter, to be honest.

00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:43.599
Like, have I said enough?

00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:45.760
Like, do I really want to, you know?

00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:51.440
In the last couple weeks, as I've really struggled with this neck injury, I've had a hard time with energy, right?

00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:54.159
Okay, because you you start doing things and then it starts hurting.

00:41:54.159 --> 00:42:00.719
And you're like, ah that would have been a good time to swear, by the way, right there where I was going, I could have dropped the F word.

00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:06.239
But you know, it it and maybe that's the emphasis people are talking about.

00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:10.880
But it is, you know, I I think it's it's a a good opportunity.

00:42:10.880 --> 00:42:15.760
Listen, if you're not questioning it, I don't even want to say it that way.

00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:16.639
I think it's okay.

00:42:16.639 --> 00:42:18.320
Live in the struggle.

00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:21.360
It's not bad to be it's not bad to be in the struggle.

00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:23.679
All this time I didn't realize I I could have been going.

00:42:23.679 --> 00:42:27.840
That guy is driving me crazy.

00:42:27.840 --> 00:42:29.039
Hey Jim, Mark.

00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:30.159
Oh, wait, that's the wrong button.

00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:31.440
Wait, stop.

00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:36.480
No, we don't need so yeah, this is uh Jeff C says podcasting can be a lonely business.

00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:38.320
That's why I do a live show first.

00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:41.519
Having an audience that shows up each week is what keeps me going.

00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:42.400
Absolutely.

00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:48.960
Maria says if you are frustrated, then your listeners were gonna hear it in your voice, take a break.

00:42:48.960 --> 00:42:49.599
Yep.

00:42:49.599 --> 00:42:53.840
It's if if it's not for you, you know, if it's not fun for you, it's not gonna be fun for them.

00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:56.880
I always say, like, what's your why?

00:42:56.880 --> 00:43:07.599
Because if you don't get your why, and also 30 people is a really full classroom that could be, you know, watching Netflix or whatever, you know, and they're listening to now.

00:43:07.599 --> 00:43:14.320
I realize, I forget how many years he said he'd been doing it, but uh to me, he's doing the same thing and expecting different results.

00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:31.840
And I'm like, yeah, that's I I I don't, you know, I I in the Reddit I comment, I'm like, look, if you did the same interview that that person has had over and over again, I go, they're not gonna share it because their audience has heard what was podcasting like in 2005?

00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:34.559
I've answered that question many, many times.

00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:38.960
And my audience doesn't need to hear that answer anymore, so I'm not gonna probably share that.

00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:42.239
So it doesn't mean it's a bad question, just means I'm not gonna share it.

00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:49.199
And instead look at interviews as a way to grow your audience, or not your audience, grow your network.

00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:54.960
You know, this is this is something that got your foot in the door to uh, you know, meet this person.

00:43:54.960 --> 00:43:59.840
So Ralph says, where did we come up with the 10,000?

00:43:59.840 --> 00:44:01.599
Why is that the magic number?

00:44:01.599 --> 00:44:18.880
Mainly because it used to be back in the day, that was the number that advertisers, some advertisers wanted per episode, by the way, not per month, per episode to uh you know consider you for sponsorship.

00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:22.000
Stephanie says he needs therapy and a coach.

00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:22.480
Yeah.

00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:24.480
The other thing he said is everybody.

00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:26.559
A hug, really, yeah.

00:44:26.800 --> 00:44:28.000
A hug would be good too, yeah.

00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:28.800
Yeah.

00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:43.280
So, you know, and get some feedback from people that will say, and also improv, I I get it that I it's a skill I think that podcasters need because sometimes technology doesn't work or whatever.

00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:47.519
You need to be able to kind of go off the top of your head for stuff.

00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:54.400
But every time I see improv, I'm gonna say maybe 10%.

00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:57.199
It actually makes me laugh.

00:44:57.199 --> 00:45:03.920
And and the other times when people laugh, it's because it's weird and awkward.

00:45:03.920 --> 00:45:10.320
And you it's kind of not a pity laugh, but you're just like, I don't know what I'm supposed to do here.

00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:11.440
This is dumb.

00:45:11.440 --> 00:45:14.880
You know, so I mean, I went to Second City in Chicago.

00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:22.800
That's where like in the early days, half of Saturday Night Live would come from Second City in Chicago, and I was like, oh, this is gonna be amazing.

00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:25.679
And again, maybe 20%.

00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:28.400
I just remember it was like, oh, that that was a look.

00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:31.039
Because they'd be like, okay, give us some stuff.

00:45:31.039 --> 00:45:36.000
They'd be like, banana, cape, air conditioner, Volvo.

00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:46.880
And then they would somehow come up with a skit that used all those words, and you're like, yep, that that uh that used all the words, but it you know, that's that's eight minutes of my life.

00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:48.559
I can't get back, you know.

00:45:48.559 --> 00:45:57.840
So yeah, I I get improv, but I I've yet to I rarely see it, you know, unless you got somebody like Jim Carrey.

00:45:57.840 --> 00:46:00.159
That usually doesn't, you know, work.

00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:06.320
Steph says I hate Steph says I hate when people get mad at guests for not sharing.

00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:07.519
It's not their job.

00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:10.960
It's nice when they do, but the whole expectation I don't like.

00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:11.840
I'm with you on that.

00:46:11.840 --> 00:46:13.920
I've never expect my guests to share it.

00:46:13.920 --> 00:46:24.400
In fact, I when I interviewed Justin Moore about his book Sponsor Magnet, I said, dude, I hate to do this to you, but I'm gonna walk you through your greatest hits because my audience hasn't heard your greatest hits.

00:46:24.400 --> 00:46:36.719
I said, So I'm not really gonna this is gonna be one of those interviews where it's you know the same old, you know, how do I get well how how many downloads do I have to have to get a sponsor and that kind of stuff?

00:46:36.719 --> 00:46:38.400
So you were gonna say something, Mr.

00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:38.800
Coach.

00:46:39.039 --> 00:46:40.239
Well, Dan Daniel said it in chat.

00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:41.679
Uh whose line is it anyway?

00:46:41.679 --> 00:46:46.159
Is it was a good show of of improv that was funny most of the time.

00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:47.280
They did a nice job.

00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:50.719
The the key to that show is the live audience, right?

00:46:50.719 --> 00:47:30.400
You there's a reason comedians have a warm-up comedian who come on to well, one, to make the show a little bit longer to so people feel like they got their value out of a very expensive ticket, but but two, you know, getting the crowd kind of juiced so that they're responding to stuff that on the surface, to be honest, is not is not really, I mean, it is funny, but when you get in a funny environment that one thing leads to another, unless you destroy the the atmosphere in the middle of it, is a tactic to get people to laugh, like get crowds laughing, they'll continue to laugh, right?

00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:36.639
And so it's it's you know, the the the the key to that kind of improv is the crowd.

00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:42.320
I doing improv without a crowd, ooh, that's a special skill.

00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:44.320
Yeah, because you don't know if it's working.

00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:48.880
Yeah, you and I have maybe one funny moment a month in doing this show, right?

00:47:48.880 --> 00:47:58.320
Every once in a while, even a blind squirrel finds a nut, and we find a funny improv moment in what we're doing here, but that's not what we're shooting for, right?

00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:04.000
If I I would that would be, man, I doing an improv in a podcast with no audience.

00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:06.159
So you can't gauge how funny you are.

00:48:06.159 --> 00:48:19.360
That's the that's the whole point of improv in a lot of ways, is gauging the funniness, and you can the the crowd, the energy of the crowd can often lead to even more funny moments, right?

00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:23.119
I just don't know how you do, I don't know how you do improv without a crowd.

00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:26.639
I'm I'm sure there's some people very skilled and able.

00:48:26.639 --> 00:48:28.239
That's not me for sure.

00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:37.840
When I spoke, and I'm speaking next year at the National Religious Broadcasters, and a lot of great people there, I made some great friends there.

00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:41.119
But when I'm on stage, they're not looking for the funny.

00:48:41.119 --> 00:48:46.159
They I I could tell like about six slides in, I'm like, here's something, and I just threw something out.

00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:48.159
I'm like, this should make them smile.

00:48:48.159 --> 00:48:51.280
And it was just like these like just the facts, please.

00:48:51.280 --> 00:48:52.239
And I was like, okay.

00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:57.199
And I just, you know, but if you don't have a live crowd, how do you know if it's working or not?

00:48:57.199 --> 00:49:00.239
And that may be something that's going on there.

00:49:00.559 --> 00:49:00.719
Yeah.

00:49:01.119 --> 00:49:04.320
We were talking earlier when we were talking about swearing the words.

00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:06.159
Oh, like I'm gonna pronounce these.

00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:11.199
Bahrain, Belarus, Brunei, Dara Salam.

00:49:11.199 --> 00:49:12.559
See, I this is a fun thing.

00:49:12.559 --> 00:49:24.400
Burkina, Faso, Chad, Egypt, India, Jordan, Lebanon, Nepal, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Tunisia, United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan.

00:49:24.400 --> 00:49:25.199
That was the one.

00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:26.800
That almost sounds like a swear word.

00:49:26.800 --> 00:49:30.639
Ah, Uzbekistan and Yemen.

00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:33.440
And he said, that's from my text expander list.

00:49:33.440 --> 00:49:36.559
Uh and I think at least one of those might have changed their content.

00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:38.480
So thank you, Daniel, for that.

00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:48.880
I know so again, if you if you're really trying to build up your Middle East audience, maybe now is not the time, you know, to uh make explicit content.

00:49:48.880 --> 00:49:50.880
Or just just know ahead of time.

00:49:50.880 --> 00:49:52.480
Yeah, that's it.

00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:57.199
Maria says, Are they laughing with you or at you?

00:49:57.199 --> 00:49:59.039
Yeah, and it's hard to tell if it's not love.

00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:01.440
In some cases, it's okay if it's either, right?

00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:07.440
You know, in in a lot of times, self-deprecating humor, you want them to laugh at you, right?

00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:15.760
I mean, that's that's that's kind of the point that that of that uh of that style of hu of uh of uh comedy.

00:50:15.760 --> 00:50:16.960
So yeah, for sure.

00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:17.840
Yeah.

00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:18.960
Always fun.

00:50:18.960 --> 00:50:20.559
We did have another question.

00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:23.360
Did you see John Jamingo's question earlier?

00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:24.079
Yeah, there we go.

00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:28.960
How should someone handle a co-host who low talks under the other host?

00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:30.559
It sounds like an episode of Seinfeld.

00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:31.920
I don't know whether that's a problem.

00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:34.079
I don't know what you're saying.

00:50:34.079 --> 00:50:37.360
Even after it has been brought up to that attention.

00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:44.159
This is one of the things why I used to hate I I I definitely want to be a worker be.

00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:49.519
I don't want to be a manager, is when you tell someone, yeah, see this thing.

00:50:49.519 --> 00:50:55.360
Here's how you do it, this is why you're not supposed to do it this way, and then they do it again.

00:50:55.360 --> 00:51:04.159
And you go, Yeah, I don't know if you noticed, but remember that thing and I showed you how to do it, you you you did it again, because like they're not gonna change.

00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:04.800
There's two things.

00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:09.119
Either A, they don't see themselves doing it, or B, they don't care.

00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:17.840
And the second one, especially, if they just don't care, now you're now you have a whole other problem of like, do we keep this person?

00:51:17.840 --> 00:51:19.440
Because they're not on the team.

00:51:19.440 --> 00:51:32.159
But I mean, there's just gotta if you could make a clip, I would make a clip and just, you know, go to the person and go, hey, I know we mentioned this to you, and this may be something that you just don't realize you're doing.

00:51:32.159 --> 00:51:33.519
So here's a quick clip.

00:51:33.519 --> 00:51:41.920
See how you're talking under the the host here, and it just it makes an editing nightmare because I have to edit you out, and then I can't because blah, blah, blah.

00:51:41.920 --> 00:51:46.639
So you just you just unfortunately gotta hold up a mirror and go, here's what we were talking about.

00:51:46.639 --> 00:51:47.440
I don't know, Jim.

00:51:47.440 --> 00:51:49.519
You have any thoughts of it.

00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:50.559
Yeah, I agree with you.

00:51:50.559 --> 00:51:53.599
You just gotta you gotta come out and just say, hey, this isn't working.

00:51:53.599 --> 00:51:56.239
You know, especially if you've talked about it.

00:51:56.239 --> 00:52:02.559
Uh, this is in most cases of conflict like this, it doesn't get talked about.

00:52:02.559 --> 00:52:06.559
And it just gets to a point, it gets more and more frustrating and more, and then there's a blow-up.

00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:10.000
That's usually because conflict, I mean, conflict's hard.

00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:11.280
It's hard to do.

00:52:11.280 --> 00:52:15.280
And most people don't really like to confront it.

00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:18.480
I mean, it's kind of what separates good managers from bad managers, right?

00:52:18.480 --> 00:52:27.360
Is good managers are able to confront it in a way that can not always, but can promote growth or see opportunities in it and say, yeah, this isn't really working.

00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:32.239
I've worked for some really good managers who said things to me like, yeah, don't do that again.

00:52:32.239 --> 00:52:33.599
You know, did you do that?

00:52:33.599 --> 00:52:34.639
And I'm like, Yeah, I did it.

00:52:34.639 --> 00:52:36.079
And they're like, Yeah, don't do that again.

00:52:36.079 --> 00:52:38.320
That yeah, this is not what we're looking for, right?

00:52:38.320 --> 00:52:39.440
And oh, okay.

00:52:39.440 --> 00:52:40.960
I I get it, I hear you, right?

00:52:40.960 --> 00:52:42.239
You gotta kind of come out.

00:52:42.239 --> 00:52:46.639
But, you know, also people don't respond to criticism very well sometimes.

00:52:46.639 --> 00:52:50.800
And then they start getting defensive and it turns into a shouting match or whatever.

00:52:50.800 --> 00:52:52.559
So it's a hard thing to do.

00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:57.360
I I think if it's a disruption, if it's been addressed, you gotta let them go.

00:52:57.360 --> 00:53:00.719
You just gotta say, you know what, we're moving in a different direction.

00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:02.239
We're kind of done here.

00:53:02.239 --> 00:53:03.920
I've I've had to do that.

00:53:03.920 --> 00:53:06.719
And you know, then I get the but I don't want to move on.

00:53:06.719 --> 00:53:09.440
And I'm like, yeah, but I'm that's I'm asking you to.

00:53:09.440 --> 00:53:12.400
And so you need, and that's not always clean, right?

00:53:12.400 --> 00:53:16.480
That that part of moving someone on is not always clean.

00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:21.840
It's listen, it's great if you can get them to see that and they move on themselves.

00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:33.199
That's always a nice, that's always kind of a nice way to get some things like that, hey, this isn't really working out, like uh this is not matching what we're trying to do here.

00:53:33.199 --> 00:53:35.920
And if they can say, yeah, it's not, I understand.

00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:40.079
I'm gonna, I'll go do something different, that's the perfect kind of scenario.

00:53:40.079 --> 00:53:47.599
Doesn't happen very often because oftentimes people have their ego in it, and so they're like, How dare you fire me, you know, kind of thing.

00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:48.079
Yeah.

00:53:48.079 --> 00:53:56.079
But the easiest, the the in the long run, the easiest thing to do is say, let's do something different.

00:53:56.079 --> 00:53:57.519
Like, this isn't gonna work for me.

00:53:57.519 --> 00:54:00.239
I'm gonna we're gonna go a different direction.

00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:08.800
The other thing is don't don't try to don't don't try to soften the blow too much where you're you're you're not exactly clear.

00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:09.920
This is the end.

00:54:09.920 --> 00:54:14.719
Like be really, I mean, just be truthful and honest and clear.

00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:19.760
Like, we're having a conversation, and this is the last time you're gonna be on the show.

00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:40.559
I just want to be really clear about that because leaving that like sometimes we're like, oh well, maybe in the future this'll things will magically change that haven't changed in the last six months we've been doing this, and you know, that because it because it makes you feel better about you know, bringing the bad news to it, just be super clear.

00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:43.280
It's easier just to cut and be like, Yeah, we're done.

00:54:43.280 --> 00:54:44.239
We're done doing this.

00:54:44.239 --> 00:54:48.559
Don't be mean about it, of course, but just be really clear.

00:54:48.559 --> 00:54:50.960
Like, yeah, we're not going that direction anymore.

00:54:50.960 --> 00:54:54.639
It they're not how they respond to it, most of the time it's gonna be bad.

00:54:54.639 --> 00:54:57.119
And you're just gonna that's part of leading people.

00:54:57.119 --> 00:54:59.039
It's part of leading people, friends.

00:54:59.039 --> 00:55:02.719
That's not everybody's designed to be a leader.

00:55:03.280 --> 00:55:08.159
No, and it's I I just had to do this at my church.

00:55:08.159 --> 00:55:23.119
I'm kind of on the the leadership team, and we have, and she's the sweetest, dearest older woman who occasionally after the pastor gets done doing the sermon, will stand up and chime in on it.

00:55:23.119 --> 00:55:26.800
And we're like, and it's literally five minutes from the end of the service.

00:55:26.800 --> 00:55:29.039
We're gonna sing a song and get out of here.

00:55:29.039 --> 00:55:39.920
Like, and we we kind of politely said, you know, you it's you know, if you had just waited five minutes, you could have told the pastor that after the song, and it kind of interrupts the flow, and you know, please don't do that.

00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:44.639
And then they talk to her again and said, Hey, you know, you did that again.

00:55:44.639 --> 00:55:49.920
And that's not really the time for so they're finally like, hey, can you like maybe she'll listen because you're a dude.

00:55:49.920 --> 00:55:50.800
Maybe, you know.

00:55:50.800 --> 00:55:53.360
So I just went to her, I said, Hey, that thing you just did.

00:55:53.360 --> 00:55:55.760
I said, I, you know, that's an interesting point.

00:55:55.760 --> 00:55:58.480
I go, but it's it's bad timing.

00:55:58.480 --> 00:56:02.400
And I go, you you're you're pulling the trigger about five minutes too soon.

00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:04.480
I said, you could have told the pastor that after that.

00:56:04.480 --> 00:56:06.880
And I said, I just want to make this as clear as possible.

00:56:06.880 --> 00:56:08.960
I go, don't ever do that again.

00:56:08.960 --> 00:56:10.559
And she's like, Oh, I'm sorry.

00:56:10.559 --> 00:56:13.599
And I'm like, okay, I just I just want to make sure you're aware.

00:56:13.599 --> 00:56:15.280
Don't ever do that again.

00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:16.320
And she's like, okay.

00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:22.800
And later she's like, well, because my church is the only place where people call me Davy because no, that's not gonna fly.

00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:24.800
And she's like, well, Davy yelled at me.

00:56:24.800 --> 00:56:26.719
I go, no, Davy, Davy.

00:56:26.719 --> 00:56:36.000
And what I did, I found a really because I didn't want to pull her into a room alone, because you never want to be in a room with a female alone, because now it's her word against mine.

00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:39.360
So I did it to where people couldn't hear me, but people could see me.

00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:41.360
And I was like, don't do that again.

00:56:41.360 --> 00:56:42.880
And it was awkward.

00:56:42.880 --> 00:56:48.159
It was somewhat awkward seeing her the next week, and I just pretended like it never happened, you know.

00:56:48.159 --> 00:56:49.920
But we'll see what happens.

00:56:49.920 --> 00:56:53.360
SP has a great idea, and I'm sure maybe John's doing this.

00:56:53.360 --> 00:56:58.400
Have it multi-tracked so you can just mute that person, you know, fix it with technology.

00:56:58.400 --> 00:56:59.440
That's the problem.

00:56:59.440 --> 00:57:02.159
And if it's not, then you're like stuck.

00:57:02.159 --> 00:57:12.719
And speaking of improv, Rich says Improv for Humans with Matt Besser is still going after hundreds of episodes, it's hard to listen to.

00:57:12.719 --> 00:57:17.440
So, you know, it's uh it's got an audience there somewhere, who knows?

00:57:17.519 --> 00:57:19.599
But maybe not, or maybe not, you know.

00:57:19.599 --> 00:57:28.800
Maybe the person just really likes creating, you know, that's that's their creation, and maybe it's not designed for everybody, you know.

00:57:28.800 --> 00:57:48.320
So there's that there's a lot to self-fulfillment in the in this space that I think sometimes we're looking for something, you know, we're looking for something that's not possible out of this, and this is why they the two never line up, because what you're looking for, it's not possible in what you're doing.

00:57:48.320 --> 00:58:05.280
And so you have to kind of I have to have this realistic, this is a you know, we we talked about you know conflict with within a team, but with yourself, I think you have to have that kind of conversation that says, Hey, is what I'm doing ever have the possibility of what I'm looking for?

00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:08.960
And I think for some people the answer is no in that.

00:58:08.960 --> 00:58:11.920
And you then you have to say, I should probably stop doing this.

00:58:11.920 --> 00:58:16.880
If that's if that's what if that's what you gotta let that go.

00:58:16.880 --> 00:58:19.599
Just be like, yeah, this is never gonna happen this way.

00:58:19.599 --> 00:58:31.280
Or the odds are so small, I'm gonna go invest my time in something else that it does have the possibility or gives me greater fulfillment, or you know, whatever whatever you're looking for in that.

00:58:31.280 --> 00:58:42.880
So I think in some cases, you know, podcasting is is interesting because it has the potential for a lot of public validation of who you are, but not everybody's gonna get it that way.

00:58:42.880 --> 00:58:49.440
You just you know, and if 50's not enough, a hundred may not be enough, and maybe a thousand's not enough.

00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:54.239
And then, like, so you have to at some point you have to have this realistic conversation with yourself.

00:58:54.239 --> 00:58:56.559
It's what am I looking for in this thing?

00:58:56.880 --> 00:59:01.440
See, and I I think that's why so many people are like, I need to get a sponsor.

00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:10.639
Not because they need the money, but that might be the badge of officialness, like, oh, I've got a sponsor, I'm now official podcast.

00:59:10.639 --> 00:59:15.840
I wonder sometimes because like, no, that that you're you're legit the minute you hit publish.

00:59:15.840 --> 00:59:16.480
Yeah, yeah.

00:59:16.480 --> 00:59:18.880
You know, you're you are officially podcasting now.

00:59:18.880 --> 00:59:20.480
Like, so I don't know.

00:59:20.480 --> 00:59:23.840
SB says I just hired two employees in both cases.

00:59:23.840 --> 00:59:29.119
The question about how they handled conflict literally decided the competition of who to hire.

00:59:29.119 --> 00:59:31.519
You need to address the conflict head on.

00:59:31.519 --> 00:59:33.280
So he totally agrees with you, Jim.

00:59:33.280 --> 00:59:34.159
Yeah, it's one of those things.

00:59:34.400 --> 00:59:35.440
The sooner the better, by the way.

00:59:35.440 --> 00:59:37.360
The sooner the better on some of these things.

00:59:37.360 --> 00:59:42.000
Do not if you if you're like questioning it, it's too late.

00:59:42.000 --> 00:59:48.000
You kind of need to handle this thing early and button this thing up and set the expectations.

00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:55.840
By the way, from a co host standpoint, the best time to set the expectations is before you start recording.

00:59:55.840 --> 00:59:59.679
Like Dave and I didn't do this, we just we we listen.

00:59:59.679 --> 01:00:02.239
We didn't start thinking this would be a podcast.

01:00:02.239 --> 01:00:04.320
We just kind of thought we'll just get together and hang out.

01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:05.360
Like it was fun, right?

01:00:05.360 --> 01:00:06.960
We just loved hanging out together.

01:00:06.960 --> 01:00:10.239
So it was one of those situations where we kind of fell into it.

01:00:10.239 --> 01:00:19.199
If we, if the chemistry hadn't been there, if we didn't like each other, if I wasn't what you were looking for, within three or four weeks, you would have just stopped inviting me.

01:00:19.199 --> 01:00:21.360
Like, you know, you'd be like, hey, you want to come in?

01:00:21.360 --> 01:00:24.960
Or you would have shown up at a different time, or you would have done things differently, right?

01:00:25.119 --> 01:00:26.960
But then it's now Tuesdays at six.

01:00:26.960 --> 01:00:27.280
What?

01:00:27.280 --> 01:00:28.400
Oh, I forgot to tell you.

01:00:28.400 --> 01:00:29.280
So sorry.

01:00:29.519 --> 01:00:33.199
Yeah, for me, it'll be Thursdays at eight when I'm recording home gadget.

01:00:33.199 --> 01:00:35.360
So sorry.

01:00:35.360 --> 01:00:35.599
Yeah.

01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:36.079
Sorry.

01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:37.039
That's the way to get about it.

01:00:37.039 --> 01:00:38.960
But it's the only time it'll work for me.

01:00:38.960 --> 01:00:39.280
Yeah.

01:00:39.280 --> 01:00:48.880
With new co-hosts, the the key to it is to set the expectations as early as you can and almost overset them in some ways.

01:00:48.880 --> 01:00:50.639
Just be almost be too clear.

01:00:50.639 --> 01:00:51.920
You can always back away.

01:00:51.920 --> 01:00:59.840
It's always like teachers, you know, that that the first month of school, they need to be absolute crazy authoritarians.

01:00:59.840 --> 01:01:00.079
Yeah.

01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:02.880
Because if they're not, the class gets away from them, right?

01:01:02.880 --> 01:01:08.880
Oh I think sometimes in these relationships, we need to have that same like we're being really, really clear.

01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:18.079
I know we want to be buddies, but let's be really, really clear here how this is going to work so that we don't step on each other's toes or we don't have misunderstandings.

01:01:18.079 --> 01:01:22.880
It will then ease into something that's good once the expectations are clear.

01:01:23.199 --> 01:01:23.440
Yeah.

01:01:23.519 --> 01:01:25.679
And John says, Oh man, this is a bummer.

01:01:25.679 --> 01:01:27.599
You can't mute them when you're live streaming.

01:01:27.599 --> 01:01:29.199
No, no, you can't.

01:01:29.199 --> 01:01:30.400
Although you may want to.

01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:31.519
As we know.

01:01:31.519 --> 01:01:34.000
Yes.

01:01:34.000 --> 01:01:35.679
That's tricky.

01:01:35.679 --> 01:01:37.599
Yeah, it's I'm with you.

01:01:37.599 --> 01:01:44.480
You just got, I mean, back when I was teaching, and there was a whole like, here's what we're going to cover today, and here's how we're going to cover breaks.

01:01:44.480 --> 01:01:50.400
And I would tell people, and before I went on break, I would put this big timer that said 15 and then would count down to zero.

01:01:50.400 --> 01:01:52.719
I go, when that gets to zero, we're starting back up.

01:01:52.719 --> 01:01:54.800
If you're not in here, we're not waiting for you.

01:01:54.800 --> 01:01:57.199
And no, I will not go back and get you caught up.

01:01:57.199 --> 01:01:59.039
I will get you in on the next lesson.

01:01:59.039 --> 01:02:00.000
Please be back.

01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:00.880
It's 15 minutes.

01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:04.000
That's plenty of time to go to the bathroom and make a quick phone call.

01:02:04.000 --> 01:02:08.719
And I would come back and somebody would be late, and they would come in and say, Is there any chance?

01:02:08.719 --> 01:02:10.800
And I'm like, nope, I'll get you in on the next lesson.

01:02:10.800 --> 01:02:12.239
In the meantime, just watch.

01:02:12.239 --> 01:02:15.360
And nobody was ever late the second time.

01:02:15.360 --> 01:02:20.800
They it's like, hey, this I told you this is what I'm going to do, and I'm going to do what I said I was going to do.

01:02:20.800 --> 01:02:27.119
And so, you know, that's always and and you know, they just people I think like to push people sometimes.

01:02:27.119 --> 01:02:28.960
They're like, oh, it's no big deal.

01:02:28.960 --> 01:02:30.320
So yeah.

01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:31.679
Well, it's tricky.

01:02:32.159 --> 01:02:35.840
Sometimes we think we're for everybody, and we're just not.

01:02:35.840 --> 01:02:38.400
You know, you just gotta know this is the know your audience.

01:02:38.400 --> 01:02:45.199
Like, hey, know who you are for, know where the sweet spot is in your personality and what you do.

01:02:45.199 --> 01:02:54.880
And and you know, I've as a community manager, I have to make some really hard and difficult decisions on how people interact with a very large community.

01:02:54.880 --> 01:03:05.119
I mean, we have we have some big communities, so I have to and those decisions are sometimes hard because people want to come in and they'll post something that and I'm gonna say that's inappropriate, and that doesn't mean it's bad.

01:03:05.119 --> 01:03:10.960
It's just not the right topic, or it's not the right conversation to be had, or it's not, and I have to deny it.

01:03:10.960 --> 01:03:13.519
You know, like, no, we're not gonna have this conversation in there.

01:03:13.519 --> 01:03:16.719
And I've I mean, I've talked about losing friends.

01:03:16.719 --> 01:03:24.320
I've lost some friends over uh at some point saying, yeah, no, that's not good for the many.

01:03:24.320 --> 01:03:25.920
Might be good for the one.

01:03:25.920 --> 01:03:28.239
It's not good for the many in this case.

01:03:28.239 --> 01:03:30.079
There's an old Star Trek reference for you.

01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:36.239
And so, you know, you you you have to I've and there's people who are like, I don't I'm never gonna talk to you again.

01:03:36.239 --> 01:03:38.000
I'm like, I'm sorry, I'm doing my job.

01:03:38.000 --> 01:03:42.400
That's the hard that's the hard part of this, is you can't, you know, you can't please.

01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:49.920
This goes back to the bigger your audiences, the harder that gets because your audience starts, you start attracting the fringe, right?

01:03:49.920 --> 01:03:53.920
The the the folks way out on the edge, and those are the hardest ones to please.

01:03:53.920 --> 01:03:58.159
You know, they're just like, oh, why can't you do why can't you be like Joe Rogan?

01:03:58.159 --> 01:03:59.840
Because I'm not Joe Rogan.

01:03:59.840 --> 01:04:03.199
Well, if you just did it like Howard Stern, I'm not Howard Stern.

01:04:03.199 --> 01:04:05.360
Yeah, you know, that's not that's not me.

01:04:05.360 --> 01:04:08.800
If if you if you like them, go listen to them.

01:04:08.800 --> 01:04:10.719
There's another idea.

01:04:10.719 --> 01:04:12.639
They are them, by the way.

01:04:12.800 --> 01:04:13.360
They are them.

01:04:13.360 --> 01:04:18.960
Jeff C says for me, having multiple co-hosts I can call on uh has been the best.

01:04:18.960 --> 01:04:21.360
Plus, it keeps things interesting for the audience.

01:04:21.360 --> 01:04:23.440
Jeff is an amazing moderator.

01:04:23.440 --> 01:04:24.079
He's good.

01:04:24.079 --> 01:04:47.039
That's the style there is, you know, he brings up a topic, then he'll throw it to somebody else, they'll do their little thing, and if he wants it to throw somebody else, he can't, or he just brings up a new topic, but it's and it's not even done in a choppy way, like Jeff will talk, then you know, Jim will talk, and then it's it's just it flows super nice.

01:04:47.039 --> 01:05:04.079
And it's it's one of those things you can kind of just say before you hit record, hey, I'll you know, if when I want you to talk, it sounds like your parents do not spoke until being spoken to, but it's kind of that thing, or it just he just sets a nice pace, it's just it's it's awesome.

01:05:04.239 --> 01:05:08.159
So he's a nice dude, like he's a super nice dude.

01:05:08.159 --> 01:05:09.280
That's it comes off.

01:05:09.280 --> 01:05:14.719
I was on a show, I don't know, last year, and just from the beginning to end, it's just super pro.

01:05:14.719 --> 01:05:19.519
He's a super nice guy, very, very, very well spoken.

01:05:19.519 --> 01:05:25.440
And to to your point, sets a good expectation for hey, here's what we're doing here.

01:05:25.440 --> 01:05:36.079
You know, this is kind of and it wasn't long and lengthy and filled with rules, but I remember talking to him and and he was like, Yeah, this is this is kind of what we're trying to do here.

01:05:36.079 --> 01:05:41.519
And that's setting the expectations for you know, setting the expectations for it.

01:05:41.519 --> 01:05:51.920
He it he does give, I mean, that would be a good example to follow on someone because he does get a lot of different guests in of Jeff's got a good setup to make sure he gets the best out of the guest.

01:05:51.920 --> 01:05:59.199
And I'm sure not all guests have been great, but maybe including me, but it he he does a nice job of setting it up.

01:05:59.920 --> 01:06:10.320
Well, the the other thing, of course, you know, it it's so obvious that we never say it, and of course, that is the best beard in podcasting.

01:06:10.320 --> 01:06:11.440
I mean, Jeff C.

01:06:11.440 --> 01:06:12.079
For sure.

01:06:12.079 --> 01:06:13.119
Nobody even comes close.

01:06:13.119 --> 01:06:15.679
It's outstanding.

01:06:15.679 --> 01:06:20.159
You know, it's in fact, we might even say his beard is awesome.

01:06:20.159 --> 01:06:24.559
And speaking of awesome, we should say hello to our awesome supporters.

01:06:24.559 --> 01:06:26.159
You can be one of these people.

01:06:26.159 --> 01:06:44.159
You simply go to Asthepodcastcoach.com slash awesome, and you can join for as little as five bucks and be like these awesome people that for my awesome listeners, uh, we have domains on the screen like Flame Alive Pod and Horseradio Network.com and indie dropin.com and spy brie and all the fun stuff.

01:06:44.159 --> 01:06:49.360
Johnmoons.com, I think I'm pronouncing that right, but you can be an awesome supporter.

01:06:49.360 --> 01:06:58.559
And if you want to, if you're like Dave, I don't even have a podcast, well then come over and see me at the School of Podcasting where you get courses, coaching, and a community.

01:06:58.559 --> 01:07:00.159
And but wait, there's more.

01:07:00.159 --> 01:07:07.039
You can use the coupon code COACH and save a little when you sign up on a uh monthly, quarterly, or yearly subscription.

01:07:07.039 --> 01:07:10.159
And don't forget that comes with a 30-day money-back guarantee.

01:07:10.159 --> 01:07:15.360
And if you need some honest feedback, the guy earlier, you know, hey, why isn't my show growing?

01:07:15.360 --> 01:07:20.159
Well, if you need honest feedback, podcasthotseat.com is the place to go.

01:07:20.159 --> 01:07:25.519
I will look at an episode, I will look at your website, and you get a free month at the School of Podcasting.

01:07:25.519 --> 01:07:27.840
Check it out, podcasthotseat.com.

01:07:27.840 --> 01:07:31.519
I got somebody in line that showed up Friday, so I'm looking forward to that.

01:07:31.519 --> 01:07:35.280
And if you go to Asthepodcastcoach.com, you're looking at Podpage.

01:07:35.280 --> 01:07:39.519
And if you want to check out Podpage, you can try it at tripodpage.com.

01:07:39.519 --> 01:07:42.559
If you want to learn podpage, go to learnpodpage.com.

01:07:42.559 --> 01:07:43.519
I love them so much.

01:07:43.519 --> 01:07:45.599
I work there and I have a t-shirt on today.

01:07:45.599 --> 01:07:46.400
So there you go.

01:07:46.400 --> 01:07:49.360
And if you need more Jim Cullison and hey, who doesn't?

01:07:49.360 --> 01:07:54.239
Then go over to theaveregeguy.tv and check out home gadget geeks.

01:07:54.239 --> 01:07:58.559
And it's time for wheel o names.

01:07:58.559 --> 01:08:01.519
So let me click on that link.

01:08:01.519 --> 01:08:03.280
And who will it be?

01:08:03.280 --> 01:08:04.239
Will it be Jody?

01:08:04.239 --> 01:08:08.159
By the way, happy belated birthday to Jody Krangel from Audio Branding.

01:08:08.159 --> 01:08:12.800
Will it be Shane from SpyBary or the ladies over at Flame a LifeBod?

01:08:12.800 --> 01:08:15.679
Well, we're gonna click the wheel and see.

01:08:15.679 --> 01:08:28.800
And the winter, the winter, yes, the winner is the one and only Shane from SpyBrer, if you are a person that, you know, likes not we're knocking like real spies.

01:08:28.800 --> 01:08:34.560
Like sure, James Bond is cool and all that, but he's into actual like real spies.

01:08:34.560 --> 01:08:37.279
So check him out over at spybrary.com.

01:08:37.279 --> 01:08:40.399
Shane, thanks for being an awesome supporter.

01:08:40.399 --> 01:08:49.039
And if you are sitting there right now listening, watching the show, whatever you're doing to it, and thinking, hmm, does this show save you time?

01:08:49.039 --> 01:08:50.479
Does it save you money?

01:08:50.479 --> 01:08:52.319
Does it save you a headache or two?

01:08:52.319 --> 01:08:55.439
Or do we keep you educated or maybe even entertained?

01:08:55.439 --> 01:09:03.359
Then you can go over to Asthepodcastcoach.com/slash awesome and give some of that uh value that we give you back.

01:09:03.359 --> 01:09:07.199
So thanks to all of our awesome supporters who are doing that.

01:09:07.199 --> 01:09:12.479
And I think I have oh wait, I saw a question come in as we were doing that.

01:09:12.479 --> 01:09:14.079
Let me scroll back.

01:09:14.079 --> 01:09:18.720
I thought I saw somebody had something about an app or something.

01:09:18.720 --> 01:09:20.319
Here we go.

01:09:20.319 --> 01:09:26.319
Anyone know any good apps to create short audio clips of my audio file?

01:09:26.319 --> 01:09:29.119
Boy, that's a fun one.

01:09:29.119 --> 01:09:33.439
Because I know I at first I thought he was gonna say video clips of my audio file.

01:09:33.439 --> 01:09:36.079
I know descript can.

01:09:36.079 --> 01:09:39.439
Because they do the clippy thing.

01:09:40.239 --> 01:09:42.880
Isn't YouTube doing clips now too?

01:09:42.880 --> 01:09:49.279
Like you could you could use I I know that's video, but I think they're doing some automated clips too.

01:09:49.279 --> 01:10:00.880
I would think boy, uh just about any of the services that you know you're using for hosting would have the ability to go in and pull some of those clips out.

01:10:00.880 --> 01:10:07.920
I get I get uh do you get these emails every week from people who find your YouTube video and they're like, you're not monetizing these kids.

01:10:07.920 --> 01:10:08.880
Yeah, oh man.

01:10:08.880 --> 01:10:10.800
You know, multiple.

01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:14.319
I would think yeah, I would think a headliner, yeah.

01:10:14.319 --> 01:10:15.760
Yeah, headliner would be a good one.

01:10:15.760 --> 01:10:17.760
Headliner would be a good one to try.

01:10:17.760 --> 01:10:21.680
This is one of those areas they all have kind of free services.

01:10:21.680 --> 01:10:26.239
See how that goes from uh uh from that standpoint.

01:10:26.239 --> 01:10:33.680
I most of the AI services are doing these now, so it's a good it's a good I'm not a big I don't uh I should do it more.

01:10:33.680 --> 01:10:38.800
I just don't I don't like I don't like my show shortened clips.

01:10:38.800 --> 01:10:40.079
So I just don't do it.

01:10:40.399 --> 01:10:43.199
Well there's there's two things for that.

01:10:43.199 --> 01:10:46.159
One is does it work?

01:10:46.159 --> 01:10:51.039
And yeah, it I think it keeps your brand in front of people.

01:10:51.279 --> 01:10:51.920
Yeah, for sure.

01:10:52.239 --> 01:11:06.239
You know, it's it's I mean, if we look at Taylor Swift, she did that as a preview to her album, which is estimated that she's gonna earn another 40 million last night from she had some sort of release party or something that was in theaters.

01:11:06.239 --> 01:11:16.800
I'm like, it must be nice to on one hand, you go, it must be nice to be that famous, but on the other hand, uh she spends a lot on security and making sure people her life is not her own, right?

01:11:16.960 --> 01:11:18.880
Yeah, you know, it is not her own.

01:11:18.880 --> 01:11:20.960
Um she seems to be handling it pretty well.

01:11:20.960 --> 01:11:22.560
So hopefully in the future here.

01:11:22.560 --> 01:11:29.920
I mean, this didn't end well for many celebrities like a Michael Jackson or you know, you know, like Paul McCartney's handling it.

01:11:29.920 --> 01:11:36.159
I mean, here here talk about a guy that was been giantly popular and who's handled it all the way into old age.

01:11:36.159 --> 01:11:38.560
Paul McCartney's doing a nice job of that.

01:11:38.560 --> 01:11:39.199
Yeah.

01:11:39.199 --> 01:11:41.760
Somebody check those out.

01:11:41.760 --> 01:11:43.279
I don't I don't know if I have one.

01:11:43.279 --> 01:11:47.039
There's some stuff in the chat room about services to do.

01:11:47.039 --> 01:11:50.319
Check with your host provider, that would be another one to look at.

01:11:50.319 --> 01:11:52.800
I'd run them through, I'd do a good test.

01:11:52.800 --> 01:12:01.439
The AI has gotten better on a lot of these things, and and so now maybe a good time to test out a few to see how they generate those for you.

01:12:01.439 --> 01:12:14.239
My Dave, my experiences with those were always because I do, you know, spontaneous content, it was hard for it to grab the clips that were good.

01:12:14.239 --> 01:12:20.239
You know, you listen to them and you'd be like, oh, okay, you know, that's kinda okay.

01:12:20.239 --> 01:12:42.079
The you you if you're creating audio and you have a transcript, you can always feed that transcript into ChatGPT or you know, Copilot or whatever, Grok and say, uh pull out for me the the you know the the five best quotes and with the timestamps.

01:12:42.079 --> 01:12:46.880
And that's an easy way to turn then you go back to the audio and cut it yourself.

01:12:46.880 --> 01:12:48.640
That'd be a way to do it as well.

01:12:48.640 --> 01:13:03.039
This isn't one I I think these clips, uh yeah, the automation helps, but uh I would definitely do them make sure you're listening to that section before it cuts it out to make sure it gets a full it gets a full thing.

01:13:03.279 --> 01:13:03.600
Yeah.

01:13:03.600 --> 01:13:10.239
Create art podcasts said uh what's the mascot for the school of podcasting, a flaming blue yeti.

01:13:10.239 --> 01:13:13.359
No, that's the mascot for podcast hot seat.

01:13:13.359 --> 01:13:22.800
That is the mascot done by the one and only Mark from Podcastbranding.co, because I said, hey, I want a I want a school crest and then, you know, kind of a thing.

01:13:22.800 --> 01:13:30.000
And so that's you can see there's a little plug, and then you got a microphone and headphones and some sort of mixer, and then the plan, launch, and grow.

01:13:30.000 --> 01:13:32.399
And so that is another example of that.

01:13:32.399 --> 01:13:38.319
And then I think I have I don't know if I have it in this folder, but I have one that's square as well.

01:13:38.319 --> 01:13:40.000
So that's that.

01:13:40.000 --> 01:13:50.720
And I'm actually pondering rebranding podcast hot seats again, which was a rebrand of the podcast rodeo show.

01:13:50.720 --> 01:13:53.520
I think hot seat might seem a little I don't know.

01:13:53.520 --> 01:13:56.479
Uh we're I'm I'm I'm pondering some things, so we shall see.

01:13:56.479 --> 01:14:00.720
But I'm also coming to the conclusion that maybe people just don't want feedback.

01:14:00.720 --> 01:14:02.399
They'd rather just, you know.

01:14:03.039 --> 01:14:03.520
It's hard.

01:14:03.520 --> 01:14:05.760
I wouldn't let you do that to home gadget geeks.

01:14:05.760 --> 01:14:09.119
You you'd think I would be the like, oh yeah, Dave, do this.

01:14:09.119 --> 01:14:10.640
No, I duh.

01:14:10.640 --> 01:14:18.560
You know, I don't I don't know if I want my show compared that way to industry standards or what your feelings are.

01:14:18.560 --> 01:14:19.680
It may break us up.

01:14:19.680 --> 01:14:22.640
Well, you could break up the I mean I could break up the band.

01:14:22.640 --> 01:14:23.520
F you.

01:14:23.520 --> 01:14:24.159
Yes.

01:14:24.159 --> 01:14:28.479
Take off that Van Halen t-shirt before it breaks up the band.

01:14:28.479 --> 01:14:32.880
So you definitely don't, you know, I'm scared of it for sure.

01:14:33.039 --> 01:14:35.279
Randy says, I miss the podcast rodeo show.

01:14:35.279 --> 01:14:38.000
Well, it's there for you to listen, but there aren't any new episodes.

01:14:38.000 --> 01:14:39.760
But and that one is still there.

01:14:39.760 --> 01:14:42.239
It's just, I'm like, I'm not doing that for free anymore.

01:14:42.239 --> 01:14:43.359
And it's only five bucks.

01:14:43.359 --> 01:14:44.399
That's all there's things.

01:14:44.399 --> 01:14:45.359
That one is five bucks.

01:14:45.359 --> 01:14:46.399
I'm like, come on.

01:14:46.399 --> 01:14:51.840
But that's one where probably the price is so low people go, well, this can't be any good.

01:14:51.840 --> 01:14:54.319
Otherwise, you'd be charging more than five bucks.

01:14:54.319 --> 01:14:56.399
So I'm like, okay, here it is.

01:14:56.399 --> 01:15:01.359
It's, you know, and I'll I'll do your website and this and I'll listen to the whole thing.

01:15:01.359 --> 01:15:01.920
Yeah.

01:15:01.920 --> 01:15:05.760
So speaking of the clips, Dan Lefebvre says that's what I do now.

01:15:05.760 --> 01:15:08.880
The services ended up being more work to fix their clips.

01:15:08.880 --> 01:15:12.479
So I just have a template and I have AI recommend time codes.

01:15:12.479 --> 01:15:14.399
Yeah, I I here's the thing.

01:15:14.399 --> 01:15:25.039
I there's an episode coming out of your podcast consultant, which is Dave playing with short podcasts, because I wanted to see if maybe making a short show would make it popular.

01:15:25.039 --> 01:15:28.159
And the answer is no, it does not.

01:15:28.159 --> 01:15:30.960
Nobody cares what the length is, they care about the value.

01:15:30.960 --> 01:15:37.199
But I'm talking about I I used an AI tool to write show notes, and there were seven words.

01:15:37.199 --> 01:15:41.520
Some of them, not only would I never say, I didn't know what they meant.

01:15:41.520 --> 01:15:44.560
And I know people are gonna go, oh, it's it's the prompt.

01:15:44.560 --> 01:15:45.520
And that's kind of true.

01:15:45.520 --> 01:15:52.880
But this this had blog posts of mine that it used to kind of, you know, it wasn't a horrible prompt.

01:15:52.880 --> 01:16:05.520
And I was just like, you know, I I don't think I'm gonna have AI do my show notes for for some of my shows because I can think and I can type.

01:16:05.520 --> 01:16:13.439
So it's not really solving a huge problem for me and the time I'm taking to fix the show notes that come out.

01:16:13.439 --> 01:16:19.760
I could have just written the whole thing myself and then it it would sound like me because it was me.

01:16:19.760 --> 01:16:28.720
Now, if I need images, oh, I I can do like I make very meh stuff in Canva.

01:16:28.720 --> 01:16:32.960
And I've seen some amazing artwork from Canvas.

01:16:32.960 --> 01:16:37.439
So for me, I think we should be using AI to do the things that we're not good at.

01:16:37.439 --> 01:16:45.520
But this is one I was just like, you know, I've noticed I'm always coming in here and they love to go spoiler alert.

01:16:45.520 --> 01:16:46.800
That's another one.

01:16:46.800 --> 01:16:50.479
That's like it just seems like every AI thing has spoiler alert.

01:16:50.479 --> 01:16:55.359
It does, you know, and then I'm just by the time I tweak it, I'm like, I could have just written this myself.

01:16:55.359 --> 01:16:57.920
Because most of my show notes aren't that long.

01:16:57.920 --> 01:17:02.960
I'll I'll write something a longer blog post, but that was one that I just like.

01:17:02.960 --> 01:17:05.119
I I think I'm done with AI show notes.

01:17:05.119 --> 01:17:11.520
I I love the fact that like with Captivate, it finds any links that we mentioned, especially on a show like this.

01:17:11.520 --> 01:17:14.880
But, you know, and Buzzprout does a pretty good job.

01:17:14.880 --> 01:17:34.159
Daniel's new tool, by the way, podchapters.com, is the only thing I've seen come remotely close to like on this show, Ask the Podcast Coach will break any AI tool because it just can't figure out what the heck we're talking about because we change the subject every 15 minutes.

01:17:34.159 --> 01:17:35.680
So it's just like, what?

01:17:35.680 --> 01:17:41.760
And so, but Daniel's AI tool does a really good job of coming up with the chapters.

01:17:41.760 --> 01:17:52.640
So if you're a person on Libson or Red Circle, because I know Blueberry and Captivate and Buzz Sprout have chapters.

01:17:52.640 --> 01:17:57.439
I don't play with Podbean anymore, and I'm not sure what transistor does.

01:17:57.600 --> 01:18:01.920
Transistor is usually pretty so Auphonic does a pretty good job on chapters, doesn't it?

01:18:01.920 --> 01:18:04.079
That's I use it, I use it for that.

01:18:04.079 --> 01:18:15.279
And it to be honest, I haven't audited the chapters to know, but I think Aphonic does some chaptering as well by timestamp.

01:18:15.279 --> 01:18:18.239
That's how that's how the chapters are being done, right?

01:18:18.239 --> 01:18:19.119
By timestamp?

01:18:19.119 --> 01:18:22.800
Well, they're breaking them down by time.

01:18:23.039 --> 01:18:27.119
I think it's yeah, and I it somehow knows when you change the subject.

01:18:27.359 --> 01:18:27.600
Yeah.

01:18:27.840 --> 01:18:31.439
And then it'll put a you know, it'll figure out where that is, and then look.

01:18:31.600 --> 01:18:32.720
I'll have to look more carefully.

01:18:32.720 --> 01:18:34.479
I it you know, I I have it do it.

01:18:34.479 --> 01:18:37.840
YouTube picks those up automatically if you put them in the description.

01:18:37.840 --> 01:18:41.359
And so I've been Authonic pushes those over there.

01:18:41.359 --> 01:18:43.680
I grab a version of them and put them in my show notes.

01:18:43.680 --> 01:19:00.479
I've been for my show notes, I don't what I've been doing is having it transcribed by Auphonic and then taking that transcription over to Chat GPT and say, read this transcription, and then I'll grab the notes from Otter and I'll grab the notes.

01:19:00.479 --> 01:19:03.439
There's some a long and short description and Auphonic.

01:19:03.439 --> 01:19:05.840
I'll bring those over and put them in.

01:19:05.840 --> 01:19:20.000
I'll dialogue then a little bit with with ChatGPT on the show and get some ideas for it and do some things, see what it's thinking about the show, and then I'll have it produce some show notes for me on on areas.

01:19:20.000 --> 01:19:22.640
Like I'm not, I won't just copy and paste everything.

01:19:22.640 --> 01:19:32.159
I'll be like, give me some feedback on this area or what what what AI really likes now, AI search likes now are FAQs.

01:19:32.159 --> 01:19:39.279
So I'll have I'll say, hey, create an create an FAQ about this episode for me that I can put in the show notes.

01:19:39.279 --> 01:19:46.880
So it's it does a pretty nice job of putting together question and answer for for that kind of setting.

01:19:46.880 --> 01:19:52.159
So it's a little bit more I'm not it I'm not just letting it create the show notes for me.

01:19:52.159 --> 01:20:00.239
I'm dialoguing with it and creating a unique set of show notes, but it's definitely augmenting and doing things for me, like you mentioned, Dave.

01:20:00.239 --> 01:20:06.640
It does things for me that I would not I'd have to spend half an hour, 45 minutes creating my own FAQ.

01:20:06.640 --> 01:20:09.359
You know, well, I it I don't need to do that.

01:20:09.359 --> 01:20:10.800
It's good at that, you know?

01:20:10.800 --> 01:20:16.000
Like create an FAQ that you would like to see so that you'll use it again.

01:20:16.000 --> 01:20:17.840
And it does a pretty nice job of that.

01:20:17.840 --> 01:20:25.119
So there's you know, there's a lot of the services that are doing just you know, carte blanc show notes for you.

01:20:25.119 --> 01:20:26.159
That's not bad.

01:20:26.159 --> 01:20:30.800
I would interact with them a little bit and and you know, make sure it's set up in a way that you like it.

01:20:30.800 --> 01:20:32.239
I'm pretty proud of my show notes now.

01:20:32.239 --> 01:20:37.039
I those are one of those things I look at, I'm like, these are pretty actually these are kind of helpful.

01:20:37.039 --> 01:20:40.079
They used to just be crap, and now they're kind of helpful.

01:20:40.079 --> 01:20:41.760
So I'm I'm pretty proud of my show notes.

01:20:42.000 --> 01:20:42.720
There you go.

01:20:42.720 --> 01:20:51.520
And Randy says, if you if I include chapters in my MP3 file, Pod Home will import those and create podcasting 2.0 chapters.

01:20:51.520 --> 01:20:54.560
And Daniel says, Yep, several others do that.

01:20:54.560 --> 01:21:02.640
I know Captivate does, but Daniel points out they import only the titles and not the images or the links, which is a bummer.

01:21:02.640 --> 01:21:14.479
Because I know BuzzSprout does when you upload if you make your own chapters and like in Hindenburg is what I do, then I can just upload it and they take everything I've put in there and put it into BuzzSprout, which is cool.

01:21:14.479 --> 01:21:15.119
Yeah.

01:21:15.119 --> 01:21:20.720
Libson still doesn't get the uh whole avoidance of so much of the podcasting namespace.

01:21:20.720 --> 01:21:23.359
Libson's having a bad week.

01:21:23.359 --> 01:21:28.720
There, it's not the end of the world, but your feed only shows the last hundred episodes.

01:21:28.720 --> 01:21:35.119
And there are a lot of people on Libson that have been there from the early days, and I don't know what's going on over there.

01:21:35.119 --> 01:21:40.239
I do know uh I was really surprised to hear the a guy I considered Mr.

01:21:40.239 --> 01:21:41.920
Libsen when I was there.

01:21:41.920 --> 01:21:48.319
Greg was the lead developer, and he is no longer with the company, and I was like, that's not good.

01:21:48.319 --> 01:21:49.840
So I don't know what's going on.

01:21:49.840 --> 01:21:51.760
I love the people over there.

01:21:51.760 --> 01:22:03.520
I just I don't know what's going on because that's I mean, the good news is I'll be interested to hear, because like this show, I don't know what we're on, five something, whatever.

01:22:03.520 --> 01:22:08.560
So if all of a sudden, you know, we know that the back catalog doesn't download a ton.

01:22:08.560 --> 01:22:23.680
It's you know, there's that you get the big spike the first week and then it slowly trails off, and then it's only the the people that have followed the show and that you know they go back and cherry pick in their app because that's the only way really you can see them.

01:22:23.680 --> 01:22:25.840
And so now those aren't going to be there.

01:22:25.840 --> 01:22:34.880
I was like, hmm, because that I would be interested to see what percentage of your downloads are not there because people can't see your stuff.

01:22:34.880 --> 01:22:38.239
So yeah, so I'm not sure what's going up.

01:22:38.239 --> 01:22:50.239
Yeah, Daniel says the last 100 episode thing is going to really hurt when they fix it because dropping the feed limit and then raising again could cause a lot of readowns loads of old episodes, but not an Apple now.

01:22:50.239 --> 01:22:51.760
So yeah, it'll be interesting.

01:22:51.760 --> 01:22:57.520
And you know, again, I love the people at Libs and I'm just not sure what's happening over there.

01:22:57.520 --> 01:23:03.840
But when I heard that, I was like, ooh, you're like you're a media host, and what makes a podcast is your feed.

01:23:03.840 --> 01:23:07.920
And to have a problem with the feed, I was like, come on, guys, you're killing me over here.

01:23:07.920 --> 01:23:08.960
I still got a show.

01:23:08.960 --> 01:23:10.960
Building a better Dave is still on Libsyn.

01:23:10.960 --> 01:23:13.359
Everything else is on either Captivate or Buzzsprout.

01:23:13.359 --> 01:23:16.239
So and I have a couple on Red Circle just for giggles.

01:23:16.239 --> 01:23:21.600
But at any rate, Jim, my guess is you're taking a week off from uh home gadget gates.

01:23:22.159 --> 01:23:23.039
I took last week off.

01:23:23.039 --> 01:23:27.439
Well, we weren't here two weeks ago, so I did a podcast like this, slouched.

01:23:27.439 --> 01:23:30.079
But thanks for letting me slouch the whole podcast.

01:23:30.079 --> 01:23:31.359
It felt a lot better.

01:23:31.359 --> 01:23:36.319
But um Christian Johnson, uh, he was uh early podcaster with me, is back.

01:23:36.319 --> 01:23:39.039
Also, he's our Maple Grove Partners guy.

01:23:39.039 --> 01:23:39.439
Yeah.

01:23:39.439 --> 01:23:41.119
Um, and does in those hosting.

01:23:41.119 --> 01:23:42.000
He joined me.

01:23:42.000 --> 01:23:45.439
He's coming, he's his opinion of crypto has changed.

01:23:45.439 --> 01:23:55.039
He was uh anti, not I want to say anti-crypto, but not definitely uh asked a lot of questions around it, which has been good, but he's coming around a little bit.

01:23:55.039 --> 01:23:56.800
So we cat we catch up with Christian.

01:23:56.800 --> 01:24:00.159
If you've been a home gadget geeks guy, you'll you'll enjoy the episode.

01:24:00.159 --> 01:24:01.039
It's been out for a week.

01:24:01.039 --> 01:24:04.319
Check it out right now, homegadgetge.com.

01:24:04.800 --> 01:24:05.359
There you go.

01:24:05.359 --> 01:24:06.960
Yeah, Christian is a great guy.

01:24:06.960 --> 01:24:08.319
I had him do some stuff.

01:24:08.319 --> 01:24:12.479
I have, in fact, I might have him do, I think I'm gonna start, it didn't show it today.

01:24:12.479 --> 01:24:20.720
I think I'm gonna start pointing people because I have a pod page for the school of podcasting, and I might change my episode link.

01:24:20.720 --> 01:24:26.800
Right now, I have the episodes on the school of podcasting, but they just look so much better on pod page.

01:24:26.800 --> 01:24:36.000
And I went over to WordPress and typed in Ozzy and hit search, and it showed me on WordPress an episode about Joe Rogan.

01:24:36.000 --> 01:24:42.079
And I'm like, that's funny because the word Ozzy is in the title of the episode I was looking for.

01:24:42.079 --> 01:24:45.680
I went to Podpage, typed in Aussie, and it was like, here you go.

01:24:45.680 --> 01:24:48.479
And I was like, hmm, I might, it looks better.

01:24:48.479 --> 01:24:53.279
So I might in the future, when you click on episodes, you might notice that you're going to a pod page.

01:24:53.279 --> 01:24:57.199
That's one of those when I get free time, I'm going to update that.

01:24:57.199 --> 01:25:11.039
But on the school of podcasting, we are talking about podcast best practices because we kind of got some people at that conference that are like, ah, best practices, smash dresses, like nah, old curmudgeons.

01:25:11.039 --> 01:25:13.760
And I'm like, uh, there's a reason they're called best practices.

01:25:13.760 --> 01:25:15.359
So that's what's coming up.

01:25:15.359 --> 01:25:19.840
Uh, we will see you next week with another episode of Ask the Podcast Coach.