Traverse City is still a small town, or is it?

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Good morning. Good evening. Good afternoon. Whatever the

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case may be, this is McDowell's

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World number four thirty three for Thanksgiving

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twenty twenty five.

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I guess it's officially the twenty seventh.

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And

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today, I want first off, I wanna

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say a happy Thanksgiving.

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You know, it's Thanksgiving in The United States,

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so hopefully,

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you find some good food somewhere and

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and some good family camaraderie and and whatnot.

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This is

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gonna be kind of a rough one for

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us in some ways because it's the first

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Thanksgiving without my dad,

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who passed away a couple weeks after Thanksgiving

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last year.

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So,

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yeah,

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we're gonna leave an empty chair at the

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table for him and,

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yeah,

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kinda kinda rough around the edges. But what

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I wanted to talk about today is how

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Traverse City still has the feeling of a

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small town.

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And I kinda preface that with saying, sort

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of.

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You know, we've had a couple of

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interesting crimes around here lately. I'm sure you're

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you know, well, maybe you didn't, maybe you

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did. But we had a big,

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stabbing incident at the Walmart here in Traverse

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City, this summer.

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And

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just

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here last week or so, we had a

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murder,

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and, you know, a couple of kids, were

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were breaking into cars. And, anyway, they shot

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a

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parking deck worker. And, of course, when I

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say the word parking deck,

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that also sort of denotes that Traverse City

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isn't that small anymore,

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but, I'll get to that.

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And,

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also,

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just yesterday, I think it was or maybe

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the day before,

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over at the Meijer gas station,

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somebody tried to abduct a woman and, you

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know, he got stopped, but

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still, you know, that kind of stuff normally

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doesn't happen here and when it does, it's

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it's definitely a big deal. So I guess

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that that puts it in the in the

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realm of small town,

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but you know Traverse City still has that

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small town feel

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sometimes.

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You know, around Cherry Festival, it's definitely not.

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Let me give you some statistics.

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Traverse City, the actual

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city of Traverse City,

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which,

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you know, encompasses,

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you know, downtown and a few neighborhoods around.

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So it's not, you know, physically too small.

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But,

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you know, in the 2020

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census, we were just shy of 16,000

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people living in

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the city of Traverse City. Now the metropolitan

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area, which covers about four counties, I believe

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they count

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Grand Traverse County, which is Traverse City, Leelanau

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County, Benzie County,

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and I believe it's Kalkaska

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County that they, also count.

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And that's at a 153,000,

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hundred fifty

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three five hundred, something like that.

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And so, you know, think think of a

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small city

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with a 100 and some odd thousand people,

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but only 15,016

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in this in the city limits.

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I'm just outside the city limits and literally

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I'm a half a block away from

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the airport property, which,

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is

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considered city.

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And about a half a mile

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to the west of me,

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is considered the city limits.

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So I'm in what's called East Bay Township,

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and it's a it's a metropolitan

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township. It's not really rural. I mean parts

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of it are, of course, but where I'm

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at it, it's not. I, you know, I'm

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on a double city lot in the woods,

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so it seems sort of rural, but

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again

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not really because, you know, half mile from

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the airport,

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so you get airplanes and helicopters.

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I get, you know, not that far from

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the bay, so I get that traffic

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and I'm on a five lane road.

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you know, not exactly oh, and there's a

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train track going through, but not a lot

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of trains,

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you know, half a block away.

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So, you know, I I get it. You

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know, I'm not really in the country, not

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really in the city,

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but, you know, I consider myself part of

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Traverse City and my address is Traverse City.

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But,

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but Traverse City does have kind of a

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small town feel to it still.

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And that's,

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you know, something that, it's gonna take a

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while to go away if it ever does

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go away.

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There's some distinct neighborhoods. And, of course, there's

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the downtown district,

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which I talked all about in two episodes

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in this, this month.

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And then there's the Traverse Heights area, which

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is kind of

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on the East Side of Boardman Lake,

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from,

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you know, US 31 out to

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South Airport Road, I guess, would be considered

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the heights.

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There's the

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the Old Town District along,

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Union Street,

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and there's the,

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they call it, the central neighborhoods,

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which is on the West Side of downtown.

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You know, west and a little bit south

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of downtown, and then, you know, there's

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a couple other areas in Greylockville, which is

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in Leelanau County,

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but part of Traverse City,

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at least the the little part of of

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the of Greylockville.

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And on the East Side, there's Acme, which

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is has its own ZIP code and, you

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know, and all that, but, you know, I

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consider that part of the city. And then

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there's what we call a Miracle Mile, which

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is about three or four miles of hotels

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all touristy stuff along the bay.

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Hotels, restaurants,

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motels, you you name it.

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It's

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just a, you know, a big long stretch

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of that kind of thing.

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But you go somewhere here in the wintertime

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and, you know, there is some winter tourism

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you know, in the summer obviously, but there

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is some winter tourism.

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Here, snowmobilers

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come up here, skiers come up here, cross

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country skiers,

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you know, there's a lot to to do,

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ice fishermen,

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all that. There's stuff to do here in

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the winter.

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But, you know, I can walk into a

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bar downtown, you know, right downtown, walk into

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Union Street Station or Sledders or,

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you know, whatever bar and, you know, it's

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the the typical small town

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sort of feel to it. Whereas,

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you know, in the in the summertime it's

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a lot of tourists. Of course, there's a

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lot of,

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you know, a lot of locals around too

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in the summer, of course, but you know,

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I don't know. It just feels still like

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a small town. We have,

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I guess, officially

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four high schools.

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We got the Catholic schools, you know, we

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have a high school, and then there's

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three

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public schools.

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Central

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West

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and then there's one just called Traverse City

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High School, which was kind of the alternative

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school, but

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you know they're actually they're the closest one

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to me. Just literally up the street here.

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The home of the Mavericks,

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but they're a small, you know, niche school,

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but it's a public school.

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then we got the two main high schools,

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the Trojans and the Titans. When I was

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going to school, there was just one.

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Well, the Catholic school though, it's still been

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around, but

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you know, it was just one Traverse City

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Senior High School, which turned into Central.

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And then they built one out west of

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town, kind of out by my folks place,

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in Long Lake Township. Well, actually, it's in

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Garfield Township. It's in the Long Lake area

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on North Long Lake Road.

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And that school was built around the same

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time as the Columbine

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shootings there in Colorado.

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I'm sure you guys remember that or maybe

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you don't. But, whenever they were showing aerial

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shots of the Columbine

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High School,

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it looks exactly like Traverse City West.

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That building is

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I I I think the same guy designed

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it or something because every time I saw

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that on TV, I said, that looks like

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West,

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which, like I said,

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was under construction or just done, and they,

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you know, hadn't started having classes in there

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at the time. But, you know, it's a

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very prominent

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building going along North Long Lake Road, so

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it was easy to see the resemblance

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of the buildings.

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But, you know, the old Central High School

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downtown

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or well,

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it's at the base of the peninsula.

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It's still more or less in the same

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configuration

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it was back when I went to school.

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One thing interesting about Traverse City Schools, both

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the West,

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what we call junior high, now they call

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it West

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Middle School,

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and the one Central School that's, you know,

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back then was senior high.

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They had separate buildings,

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and you had to go between the buildings

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and they had covered walkways. But, you know,

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something like that should should not be in

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an area where it snows and and gets

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really cold because you had to go out

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into the weather to, you know, switch classes.

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You know? And, now they've connected all the

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buildings together. They've enclosed those walkways and built

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buildings kind of in between buildings and, you

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know, so it's configured a little different. The

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layout's the same.

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But, and I understand they're tearing down the

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original gym

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at the Central

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High School if they haven't already, and, they're

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remodeling and putting in a new gym and

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all that. And it was, you know, well

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overdue.

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I mean, my folks went to that school

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in the sixties,

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early sixties. And,

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you know, it hadn't really changed a whole

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lot in the eighties when I went. And,

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now it's, yeah, they are changing it up

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again

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a little bit. But, you know, it still

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kinda has

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that that old,

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that that that small town feel to it.

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The, you know, the the school, anyway, does,

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or did. You know, maybe not now. I

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don't know.

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One thing of interest that's completely not about

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Traverse City being a small town, but whenever

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I'm flying and I use Runway 18,

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I turn my base to final turn pretty

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much right over that high school.

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That's kind of, you know, kind of a

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landmark there,

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when you turn base to final,

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on 18

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in Traverse City, but, I digress.

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Let's see what else kinda gives it that

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small town feel. Yeah. There is not a

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lot of paid parking

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around Traverse City. Now in Traverse City, downtown,

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especially,

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there's always been parking meters.

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You know, as long as I can remember

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when I was a kid, you know, I

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had to feed the meter,

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you know. So, you know, right downtown, there

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was parking meters. And and nowadays, the parking

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meters are all digital. You gotta have an

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app on your phone and you pay that

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way. I think the ones right on front

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street, though, still take coins,

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maybe on State Street,

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the kind of the two main drags downtown.

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And,

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you know, and then there's parking decks. There's

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two or three or four or five of

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them around here.

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See, I'm thinking of one. There's the Hardy,

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but the Hardy Parking Deck, that's where the

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murder happened,

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here recently.

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But that there's that one that's,

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kind of off of state and park

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in front, you know, kinda in that block

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right near the Paul Bunyan Building where WTCM

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radio is.

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But, that parking deck there is a paid

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parking deck. There's one on the West Side

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now, I believe, but I don't remember where.

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There's a couple of surface lots

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across the river from downtown

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that you have to have a permit to

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park in. It's mainly for the workers down

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there, but you can also pay to park,

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you know, when tourist season's on.

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And they still have a big farm market

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down there in the in this summer,

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which is kinda nice. They clear out one

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of the big parking lots, and, it's a

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big farm market.

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During Cherry Festival, that whole area is is

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the midway, you know, with all the, you

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know, carnival rides and and games and

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food carts

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and gibby fries. Oh my gosh. Gibby fries.

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That's, that's actually a local thing. They travel

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around the country

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going to fairs and and festivals and whatnot,

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but, it's a French fry

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cart. The cart, I don't know. It's like

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a big trailer,

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a bunch of it. I think they have

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multiples, but they are based right here in

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Traverse City and they are always in Traverse

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City when there's any kind of festival going

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on, especially the Cherry Festival

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or the, Northwest Michigan Fair. That's the two

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places I remember going. It's the first time

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I had fries with malt vinegar on them,

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and, oh my gosh. You know, every year,

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at least once during Cherry Festival, I have

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to sneak down there through the crowds and

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get my Gibby's fries.

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But,

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yeah, actually, the carnival

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people do the rides and stuff. That's based

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actually well, not right in Traverse City, but,

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in Acme, Arnold Amusements.

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And, you know, if you're anywhere in Michigan

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at a at a place that puts up

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a carnival,

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well, that's

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that's usually Arnold Entertainment or Arnold Amusements.

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You know, they they kinda nomadic carnies, you

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know, but based right here.

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Let's see. What else kinda gives it the

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old the the the

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small time town feel. You know, you go,

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certain places. I don't know if this works

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this way in big cities, but,

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in Traverse City at a certain time of

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the night,

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it's usually, I think, 10:00.

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The traffic lights all go into blink mode

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or at least a majority of them.

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Of course, now a lot of the traffic

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lights have been replaced with roundabouts or or

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whatever you call them. And you know, that's

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a sort of a controversy. I kinda like

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them.

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As I talked about in the Iceland episode,

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the first time I ever saw one was

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in Reykjavik.

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Well, the second time I ever dealt with

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one

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was when they built the first one here

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and now there's several.

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And,

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yeah. So, you know, that's that's kind of

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a a tick against being still a small

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town. One of the other things that's strange

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for a small town,

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we have

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right now two Meijer stores.

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Meijer's, as I I think I mentioned in

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another episode, is a, you know, kind of

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a Walmart sized grocery,

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and, other you know, pretty much an everything

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store, but it's a

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kind of regional chain in the Midwest,

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mostly Michigan, Ohio, Indiana.

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I think they're into Kentucky and maybe Illinois,

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but, you know, they're not a national chain

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like like Walmart,

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and they're no relation to the Fred Meyer's

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out West,

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although they're very similar stores.

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I I found that to be interesting when

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I was researching that,

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but there's going to be a third

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Meijer store

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in the area,

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and they got one, you know, this the

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the main one, the first one, was right

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along the The US 31 Highway and Silver

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Lake Road

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area, kind of by West Middle School,

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and that one's been around since the seventies.

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You know, I started about the seventy eight

434
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storm. That's where my uncle and I went

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in the jeep to mire,

436
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you know, to get the first supplies after

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the roads got cleared.

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But that Meyer has been there. It's been,

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you know, tore down and rebuilt two or

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three times

441
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over the years, but, it's it's still there.

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And,

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oh, another side note.

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I saw the original Star Wars

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in the Meyer parking lot. There they had

446
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a twin theater, and that was a big

447
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thing back in the day. But,

448
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we went to the to the original Star

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Wars at that theater that was in the

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Meyer parking lot there, but now that's gone

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and that's where the Meyer gas station is

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where the the lady almost got a duck

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abducted the other night. So

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kind of mixed memories.

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But, the second one is out in Acme,

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Williamsburg to be exact, but they call it

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the Acme Meyers,

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but it's in Williamsburg.

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And

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what's kind of interesting to me, anyway, I

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know I'm weird,

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it's at ex exactly the same distance for

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me to drive to the original Meijer store

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as it is to for me to drive

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to the Acme store,

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and they're building a third one.

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They just built a big Amazon warehouse out

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there too, at Chum's Corners. That's kind of

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a,

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I guess a neighborhood, but it's South Of

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Traverse City along the highways,

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on the way south out of town

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or coming into town depending on the direction

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of travel,

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but they're building another Meijer store out there,

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Chum's Corners.

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So we're gonna have three Meijer stores. Now

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we're a small town, at least I think

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it in my head,

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but there'll be a third one. And also,

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ironically, that one is exactly the same distance

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as the other two are for me. So

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I'm kinda in the middle between three three

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Meijer stores.

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Kinda

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kinda strange, I guess. I guess maybe only

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I think that's interesting.

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But, hey. My show. Deal with it.

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But,

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you know, that it definitely seems

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smallish. You know? I talked about the airport

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a lot. Again, the airport.

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One thing about going to the airport is

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I know most of the counter people at

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most of the airlines there. I know the

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TSA people.

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It takes me, you know, four minutes to

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get through TSA,

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there because

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it's not super busy. Now we just had

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our record year of airline passengers,

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but it's still nothing compared to most

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even midsize towns airports.

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So and, you know, one thing we don't

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have up here yet and we, you know,

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I guess I'm not

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too worried about us getting it is train

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service. You know Amtrak doesn't come here.

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The closest closest to Amtrak, I think,

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is either Grand Rapids or Holland.

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And, you know, I would utilize Amtrak if

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it was up here. You know? And I

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go to Chicago,

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I do utilize Amtrak,

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if I don't go to Manistee Airport and

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fly a little jumper down.

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But,

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you know, if I if, you you know,

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if I had the option of taking the

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train, I would. You know, what I normally

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do when I have to go to Chicago,

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for something in Chicago,

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I'll drive down to New Buffalo, Michigan, which

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is right in the far

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Southwest corner

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of the Lower Peninsula.

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And they have an Amtrak

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station there. You get free parking. It's a

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small town.

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And then it's about an hour ride into

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Chicago, and you don't have to deal with

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parking your car and

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the traffic and all that stuff. So I've

534
00:20:23,174 --> 00:20:25,275
done that a few times going to Chicago,

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00:20:26,134 --> 00:20:28,555
you know, if, if I'm not flying through

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Chicago.

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But,

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anyway so, yeah. I like to still think

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00:20:33,734 --> 00:20:35,894
this is a small town again. Maybe,

540
00:20:36,559 --> 00:20:39,140
maybe by definition, it really isn't, but

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yeah. You know? And and another thing about

542
00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,519
Traverse City that a lot of people will

543
00:20:43,519 --> 00:20:45,059
notice is we're not

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00:20:45,599 --> 00:20:47,380
super big on chain restaurants.

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00:20:47,759 --> 00:20:50,500
We have our chain restaurants, of course.

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I've got a couple of McDonald's,

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00:20:53,125 --> 00:20:55,525
but two McDonald's in the area went out

548
00:20:55,525 --> 00:20:57,625
of business. I've never even heard of that

549
00:20:57,924 --> 00:20:58,825
anywhere else.

550
00:20:59,525 --> 00:21:01,384
So I think we're down to,

551
00:21:01,924 --> 00:21:02,725
who is it,

552
00:21:03,045 --> 00:21:03,865
there's one

553
00:21:05,019 --> 00:21:07,259
Yes. There's one on 31. There's one at,

554
00:21:07,619 --> 00:21:07,980
at,

555
00:21:09,420 --> 00:21:10,400
Chum's Corners.

556
00:21:11,179 --> 00:21:12,400
There's one in downtown.

557
00:21:12,859 --> 00:21:15,179
There's one on Airport Road, and there's one

558
00:21:15,179 --> 00:21:17,420
in Acme. So there's five McDonald's, and at

559
00:21:17,420 --> 00:21:19,179
one time, I think we had seven or

560
00:21:19,179 --> 00:21:20,774
eight. I think it was seven because there

561
00:21:20,774 --> 00:21:21,835
was one in the mall

562
00:21:22,134 --> 00:21:23,914
and there was one in, Greylockville,

563
00:21:24,934 --> 00:21:27,255
but, those went out of business. You just

564
00:21:27,255 --> 00:21:29,414
don't hear that. Same with Burger King. You

565
00:21:29,414 --> 00:21:31,734
know, we've got, you know, three, four, maybe

566
00:21:31,734 --> 00:21:33,034
five Burger Kings,

567
00:21:33,380 --> 00:21:35,380
but the the biggest one, the one that's

568
00:21:35,380 --> 00:21:36,519
been around the longest,

569
00:21:37,059 --> 00:21:38,360
just went out of business.

570
00:21:39,220 --> 00:21:41,539
We've had Arby's go out of business. We

571
00:21:41,539 --> 00:21:42,039
had,

572
00:21:42,740 --> 00:21:44,580
I think we at one time had three

573
00:21:44,580 --> 00:21:46,440
Arby's, and now we're down to one.

574
00:21:47,700 --> 00:21:50,095
You know, we have, I think two Taco

575
00:21:50,095 --> 00:21:51,795
Bell no, three Taco Bells.

576
00:21:52,414 --> 00:21:54,654
So, but like I said, there's no there's

577
00:21:54,654 --> 00:21:56,835
no five guys. There's no,

578
00:21:57,934 --> 00:22:00,174
you know, there's a lot of fast food

579
00:22:00,174 --> 00:22:03,130
that we don't get here, which is fine

580
00:22:03,130 --> 00:22:05,849
because we have some really awesome local places,

581
00:22:05,849 --> 00:22:06,830
even for burgers.

582
00:22:08,170 --> 00:22:09,230
You know, we've got,

583
00:22:10,650 --> 00:22:12,809
what is it, Slabtown Burgers, I think it's

584
00:22:12,809 --> 00:22:16,029
probably my favorite in town. There's also Bubba's

585
00:22:16,490 --> 00:22:16,990
downtown.

586
00:22:18,305 --> 00:22:19,204
There's one

587
00:22:20,224 --> 00:22:22,244
in Eastfield, that's another neighborhood

588
00:22:22,865 --> 00:22:25,444
along 8th Street. There's one there called

589
00:22:26,785 --> 00:22:29,204
the proper burger. I forget what the Bergstrom's,

590
00:22:29,664 --> 00:22:30,404
no Bergstrom's

591
00:22:31,265 --> 00:22:33,649
burgers up by Chumps Corners. There's another,

592
00:22:33,950 --> 00:22:35,329
it's called Proper Burger,

593
00:22:36,029 --> 00:22:36,529
and

594
00:22:37,230 --> 00:22:39,149
I gotta be completely honest with you, they

595
00:22:39,149 --> 00:22:41,549
suck, but that's between you, me, and the

596
00:22:41,549 --> 00:22:43,549
fence post. But, hey, you know, we've got

597
00:22:43,549 --> 00:22:44,609
some local places,

598
00:22:45,230 --> 00:22:46,769
and same thing with like,

599
00:22:48,174 --> 00:22:50,174
Ruby Tuesday's. Now I don't know if they've

600
00:22:50,174 --> 00:22:51,154
they've had trouble

601
00:22:51,695 --> 00:22:54,255
nationwide, but ours went out of business. We

602
00:22:54,255 --> 00:22:56,275
had a Hooters. They went out of business.

603
00:22:57,855 --> 00:23:00,414
We've had we do have a Chili's and

604
00:23:00,414 --> 00:23:01,075
a Applebee's.

605
00:23:02,210 --> 00:23:04,769
They're, they're still going, but we have another

606
00:23:04,769 --> 00:23:07,329
restaurant in that same area where Chili's and

607
00:23:07,329 --> 00:23:08,390
Applebee's are

608
00:23:08,849 --> 00:23:09,990
that, definitely

609
00:23:11,089 --> 00:23:13,650
isn't doing so good. It's, Opa. It's a

610
00:23:13,650 --> 00:23:14,549
local place.

611
00:23:15,714 --> 00:23:17,394
Well, I don't say I guess they're doing

612
00:23:17,394 --> 00:23:18,694
okay. They're still there,

613
00:23:19,394 --> 00:23:19,894
but

614
00:23:20,434 --> 00:23:22,274
they don't seem as busy as some of

615
00:23:22,274 --> 00:23:24,274
the others. We do have a Chick fil

616
00:23:24,274 --> 00:23:24,774
A,

617
00:23:25,554 --> 00:23:27,714
and that's a recent addition. And it was

618
00:23:27,714 --> 00:23:29,894
kind of funny when they first opened it.

619
00:23:30,079 --> 00:23:33,440
They, had police out there directing traffic and

620
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,460
all that. Now it's just, you know, normal,

621
00:23:36,559 --> 00:23:38,720
but they have, you know, they do have

622
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,619
a Chick fil A Chick fil A here.

623
00:23:42,944 --> 00:23:44,704
I guess I could do a whole show

624
00:23:44,704 --> 00:23:46,544
about fast food. In fact, I used to

625
00:23:46,544 --> 00:23:48,544
do a whole show about fast food called

626
00:23:48,544 --> 00:23:49,605
Fast Food History,

627
00:23:50,224 --> 00:23:51,605
but, I digress.

628
00:23:52,944 --> 00:23:54,644
But yeah, a lot of chain restaurants

629
00:23:55,024 --> 00:23:57,809
don't make it here or are not super

630
00:23:57,809 --> 00:23:58,950
popular here.

631
00:24:00,210 --> 00:24:02,049
You know, we have a couple of local

632
00:24:02,049 --> 00:24:02,549
Mexican

633
00:24:02,849 --> 00:24:03,349
places.

634
00:24:04,369 --> 00:24:05,269
La Senorita

635
00:24:05,730 --> 00:24:06,609
is one, and,

636
00:24:07,569 --> 00:24:09,890
I forget what the other one is. Again,

637
00:24:09,890 --> 00:24:11,730
they don't make big impressions on me. I'm

638
00:24:11,730 --> 00:24:13,029
not a super big

639
00:24:13,465 --> 00:24:15,725
Mexican food fan, but,

640
00:24:17,945 --> 00:24:20,025
but, you know, it's still like I said,

641
00:24:20,025 --> 00:24:22,025
I still get the small town feel. You

642
00:24:22,025 --> 00:24:23,884
know, I I don't feel at all

643
00:24:24,424 --> 00:24:27,164
concerned when I walk around the neighborhood

644
00:24:28,029 --> 00:24:30,910
here in Traverse City. The traffic does get

645
00:24:30,910 --> 00:24:31,809
a little ridiculous

646
00:24:32,109 --> 00:24:32,609
sometimes,

647
00:24:33,069 --> 00:24:33,569
but,

648
00:24:34,190 --> 00:24:36,509
you know, that's just being in a tourist

649
00:24:36,509 --> 00:24:39,089
town, not so bad in the off season.

650
00:24:39,630 --> 00:24:41,230
You know, I can still get all the

651
00:24:41,230 --> 00:24:43,250
way across town in fifteen minutes,

652
00:24:44,804 --> 00:24:47,444
which, you know, considering how many traffic lights

653
00:24:47,444 --> 00:24:49,304
and that there's only, like, three

654
00:24:50,005 --> 00:24:52,644
viable ways around Boardman Lake to get from

655
00:24:52,644 --> 00:24:53,544
east to west,

656
00:24:54,085 --> 00:24:54,585
that

657
00:24:54,884 --> 00:24:57,464
that's not bad. Not too bad at all.

658
00:24:58,279 --> 00:25:00,519
So anyway, I've beaten that dead horse enough.

659
00:25:00,519 --> 00:25:01,339
Hope hopefully,

660
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:03,819
you don't overeat

661
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:05,259
on this Thanksgiving

662
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,359
or, if you've already eaten and you're listening

663
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,380
to this later, I hope you didn't overeat.

664
00:25:10,865 --> 00:25:12,785
I hope you got your fill and, got

665
00:25:12,785 --> 00:25:13,605
your camaraderie

666
00:25:13,904 --> 00:25:15,984
and and everything else that goes along with

667
00:25:15,984 --> 00:25:16,644
the holiday.

668
00:25:17,025 --> 00:25:19,025
I'm just thankful that I can do a

669
00:25:19,025 --> 00:25:19,525
podcast

670
00:25:19,904 --> 00:25:20,644
every day

671
00:25:21,744 --> 00:25:23,205
here at NAPOD POMO.

672
00:25:23,664 --> 00:25:25,445
Anyway, catch me tomorrow.