Nov. 4, 2023
New Podcast Apps – MDW391
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I just got off a live stream / Podcast episode of Podcasting 2.0 with Adam Curry, Dave Jones and Todd Cochrane (see: https://podcastindex.org/podcast/920666 episode 153 )
Had a great time with the guys talking about podcasting and some sexy namespace talk. It's a tad geeky, but very cool.
I want to talk to you about your listening app. What do you use to listen to podcasts? One of the "Legacy apps" or a new modern podcast app? For a new app to try, check out https://podcastindex.org/apps?appTypes=app Join me on one of those apps, and setup V4V and look for live streaming alerts for live shows you may like.
I just discovered "Podcast Guru" ( https://podcastguru.io/ ) and have it setup just a bit. It seems impressive! Listen to this episode and then go listen to Podcasting 2.0 ep 153.
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Good morning, good evening, good
afternoon, whatever the case may be.
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This is Mike Doll's, world number 3 91 for
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November 4th, 2023. Nap Pod Pomo 23.
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Okay, wow, that gets longer
and longer each time.
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So today he just got off of
a live stream slash podcast
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recording with Adam Curry, the pod father,
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and Dave Jones,
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the Pod Sage and Todd Cochran,
the podcast, curmudgeon,
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, I guess we'll
name him that. Anyway,
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the four of us had a really good
discussion on what was going on in the
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podcasting world and,
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and some other things
with Podcast 2.0, which,
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if you're not familiar with it, go over
to podcast index.org and check it out.
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Uh, it's aims to, uh, completely, uh,
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keep podcasting free and
open rather than closed
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and, uh, and censored and,
and all that other good stuff.
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You've heard me talk about that before.
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But what I wanna talk to you
about today is what podcast app
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are you listening to,
to, uh, hear this show?
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And I really do wanna know, please
shoot a quick email, mike@mikedell.com.
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Put app in the, in the, uh, subject line,
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and tell me what app or apps
you use to listen to this show.
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I'm gonna guess that, uh,
those of you who reply,
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it's gonna be a higher number of people
not using the default app on their
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phone. And really with Android,
there isn't a default app.
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I guess Google Podcast for
the time being is that,
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but, uh, I really do wanna know. So
please, please, please, please, please,
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if you do nothing else, just, you know,
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just type app in the subject
line and shoot me an email.
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Tell me what app you're using to listen.
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I can look at my stats and kinda tell
too, but I wanna hear from you guys.
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So mike@mikedell.com.
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mike@mikedell.com.. Alright,
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so here, here's the deal.
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There's three different
categories of podcasts,
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listening apps. Well, four,
let's, let's do four. Uh,
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and I'll categorize these, uh, by,
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in rank order worst to best.
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The worst is something like Pandora,
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iHeart, Spotify, uh,
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soon to be YouTube. And, you know,
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apps like that where they're not,
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that app is not focused on.
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Podcasting. Amazon's another
one. There's nothing wrong.
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I don't care where you listen to be
honest with you, but I think you're,
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you're getting a bad experience
using those particular apps,
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in my humble opinion, or
maybe not so humble. Uh, the,
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the second tier apps, I would say,
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or second tier way of listening
to podcasts is just on a webpage.
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Again, nothing wrong with that, I
do it myself sometimes, but, uh,
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just listening on a webpage, uh, on
your computer or even your phone,
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you don't see that as much, but you
know, somebody listening on the desktop,
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what if you're sitting there? And
that's probably a good way to go.
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And then there's the,
what I call legacy apps.
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And I don't count Spotify as a legacy
app because they're really a music app,
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but the legacy apps like
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Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts,
until they close it, uh,
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overcast to a certain extent, although
I love our overcast. Marco, please,
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please do some, uh, new
stuff. But anyway,,
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I do love Overcast, and a lot of you guys
use that one, but that's a legacy app.
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It doesn't have any of the new
podcast 2.0 features in it yet.
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It does have a lot of other cool
features like the, uh, smart playlist.
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But again, that's what I consider a,
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a, an, an app that's, you
know, further down. It's the,
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it's second tier or legacy app,
something that, uh, you know,
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it's, it's okay, nothing wrong with it.
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And I guess a sub
subsection of that is, uh,
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of the web version of
it is PW type apps. Uh,
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and, and I believe that that's probably
the way a lot of apps are gonna go. So,
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but, uh, the top tier
apps in my world now, uh,
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is the Podcasting 2.0 compliant apps.
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And there is a, just
a literal crap tone of
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apps on this page. New podcast apps.com,
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and then if you filter it to just apps,
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it'll show you all the different listening
apps. And that's what I'm getting at.
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So, pod fans, that one's a, uh,
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PWA slash web based player. They're,
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they're really good and they have the
most features of any of the apps. Uh,
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one that I just discovered
today that, you know,
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but they do have an Android version
and they do now have an iOS version.
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So I, I'm using Podcast Guru. I'm,
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I just downloaded it. I, I
played with the settings and it,
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it can do what I wanna do other than
the smart playlists that I love and
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overcast, but I think I found a
way around that with tags. But, uh,
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there's one called Peer Tube Pod verse.
I've, I use Pod Verse a lot as well,
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fountain, I also use Pod Friend.
That one is a whole bunch of things.
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It's, uh, apps, native apps,
and APWA and a web interface.
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Ellen Beats a podcast addict, which
is kind of a legacy app, but they've,
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they've, uh,
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upped their game and now have a lot
of the podcast 2.0 features in it.
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Uh, if so, if you're on an Android
phone, uh, PO Look Up podcast addict.
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If you don't like, uh, pod
verse Fountain or Guru, uh,
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split Kit, I guess that's a,
I don't know, that might be a,
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a listening app, but there's a
whole bunch of 'em. Just, you know,
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flip through some of these
and give it a try. You know,
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try it on my show or
try it on, uh, you know,
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some of the other Na
Pod Pomo shows, uh, the,
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it's powered by the Podcast Index.
That's where they get their, uh,
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podcast from instead of
from Apple. And, you know,
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there's nothing particularly
wrong with Apple. I,
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I do actually enjoy their app
as well. I don't use it a lot,
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only because, you know, I use it for
work related stuff because, you know,
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I, I have to know how it works. But,
uh, you know, it's a legacy app.
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Uh, you know, podcasting's
been around 19 years.
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It's not a new concept anymore.
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And the next generation of podcast
apps are found over at, uh,
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podcast apps.com. So, anyway,
I, I, I really, really,
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really would love you to try one
of those apps and, uh, you know,
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sign up for an Albee wallet
for, uh, Bitcoin, you know,
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cost you 30 bucks to throw a, you
know, a few Satoshis in there,
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and then you can, you know, reward
the people you'll listen to. Uh,
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it's, it's really a cool way to do it. Uh,
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what do I do with Saturn? Oh, I, I must
have closed it otherwise you'd hear,
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uh, boosts coming in, uh,
from my appearance on, uh,
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on podcasting 2.0 show
. But anyway, it's,
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it's just something that I, I, I want
everybody to look at and, you know,
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decide.
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Do you want to be beholden
to these big tech companies
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that are really just out there
to sell your data and, you know,
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throw ads at you? You know, no,
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there's nothing particularly wrong with
ads either. You know, some podcasts,
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that's how they, uh, keep
the lights on and, you know,
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you should support them as well.
But this value for value thing,
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I think is going to be really good
for us, independent podcasters.
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And maybe, uh, if you listen to that
show, we did, uh, a, a really good.
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Idea came up for the advertising
piece. So that should be fun.
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But yeah, I just wanted to de debrief,
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decompress from my appearance on
that show and, and, uh, say, Hey,
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try a new podcast app today
or tomorrow, over the weekend,
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whatever. I'll be back tomorrow.
Everybody. Have a good weekend.
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Good morning, good evening, good
afternoon, whatever the case may be.
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This is Mike Doll's, world number 3 91 for
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November 4th, 2023. Nap Pod Pomo 23.
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Okay, wow, that gets longer
and longer each time.
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So today he just got off of
a live stream slash podcast
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recording with Adam Curry, the pod father,
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and Dave Jones,
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the Pod Sage and Todd Cochran,
the podcast, curmudgeon,
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name him that. Anyway,
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the four of us had a really good
discussion on what was going on in the
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podcasting world and,
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and some other things
with Podcast 2.0, which,
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if you're not familiar with it, go over
to podcast index.org and check it out.
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Uh, it's aims to, uh, completely, uh,
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keep podcasting free and
open rather than closed
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and, uh, and censored and,
and all that other good stuff.
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You've heard me talk about that before.
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But what I wanna talk to you
about today is what podcast app
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are you listening to,
to, uh, hear this show?
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And I really do wanna know, please
shoot a quick email, mike@mikedell.com.
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Put app in the, in the, uh, subject line,
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and tell me what app or apps
you use to listen to this show.
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I'm gonna guess that, uh,
those of you who reply,
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it's gonna be a higher number of people
not using the default app on their
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phone. And really with Android,
there isn't a default app.
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I guess Google Podcast for
the time being is that,
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but, uh, I really do wanna know. So
please, please, please, please, please,
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if you do nothing else, just, you know,
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just type app in the subject
line and shoot me an email.
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Tell me what app you're using to listen.
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I can look at my stats and kinda tell
too, but I wanna hear from you guys.
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So mike@mikedell.com.
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mike@mikedell.com.
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so here, here's the deal.
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There's three different
categories of podcasts,
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listening apps. Well, four,
let's, let's do four. Uh,
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and I'll categorize these, uh, by,
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in rank order worst to best.
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The worst is something like Pandora,
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iHeart, Spotify, uh,
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soon to be YouTube. And, you know,
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apps like that where they're not,
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that app is not focused on.
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Podcasting. Amazon's another
one. There's nothing wrong.
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I don't care where you listen to be
honest with you, but I think you're,
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you're getting a bad experience
using those particular apps,
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in my humble opinion, or
maybe not so humble. Uh, the,
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the second tier apps, I would say,
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or second tier way of listening
to podcasts is just on a webpage.
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Again, nothing wrong with that, I
do it myself sometimes, but, uh,
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just listening on a webpage, uh, on
your computer or even your phone,
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you don't see that as much, but you
know, somebody listening on the desktop,
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what if you're sitting there? And
that's probably a good way to go.
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And then there's the,
what I call legacy apps.
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And I don't count Spotify as a legacy
app because they're really a music app,
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but the legacy apps like
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Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts,
until they close it, uh,
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overcast to a certain extent, although
I love our overcast. Marco, please,
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please do some, uh, new
stuff. But anyway,
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I do love Overcast, and a lot of you guys
use that one, but that's a legacy app.
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It doesn't have any of the new
podcast 2.0 features in it yet.
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It does have a lot of other cool
features like the, uh, smart playlist.
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But again, that's what I consider a,
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a, an, an app that's, you
know, further down. It's the,
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it's second tier or legacy app,
something that, uh, you know,
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it's, it's okay, nothing wrong with it.
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And I guess a sub
subsection of that is, uh,
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of the web version of
it is PW type apps. Uh,
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and, and I believe that that's probably
the way a lot of apps are gonna go. So,
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but, uh, the top tier
apps in my world now, uh,
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is the Podcasting 2.0 compliant apps.
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And there is a, just
a literal crap tone of
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apps on this page. New podcast apps.com,
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and then if you filter it to just apps,
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it'll show you all the different listening
apps. And that's what I'm getting at.
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So, pod fans, that one's a, uh,
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PWA slash web based player. They're,
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they're really good and they have the
most features of any of the apps. Uh,
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one that I just discovered
today that, you know,
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I didn't know they had an iOS version,
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but they do have an Android version
and they do now have an iOS version.
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So I, I'm using Podcast Guru. I'm,
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I just downloaded it. I, I
played with the settings and it,
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it can do what I wanna do other than
the smart playlists that I love and
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overcast, but I think I found a
way around that with tags. But, uh,
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there's one called Peer Tube Pod verse.
I've, I use Pod Verse a lot as well,
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fountain, I also use Pod Friend.
That one is a whole bunch of things.
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It's, uh, apps, native apps,
and APWA and a web interface.
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Ellen Beats a podcast addict, which
is kind of a legacy app, but they've,
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they've, uh,
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upped their game and now have a lot
of the podcast 2.0 features in it.
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Uh, if so, if you're on an Android
phone, uh, PO Look Up podcast addict.
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If you don't like, uh, pod
verse Fountain or Guru, uh,
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split Kit, I guess that's a,
I don't know, that might be a,
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a listening app, but there's a
whole bunch of 'em. Just, you know,
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flip through some of these
and give it a try. You know,
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try it on my show or
try it on, uh, you know,
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some of the other Na
Pod Pomo shows, uh, the,
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it's powered by the Podcast Index.
That's where they get their, uh,
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podcast from instead of
from Apple. And, you know,
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there's nothing particularly
wrong with Apple. I,
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I do actually enjoy their app
as well. I don't use it a lot,
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only because, you know, I use it for
work related stuff because, you know,
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I, I have to know how it works. But,
uh, you know, it's a legacy app.
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Uh, you know, podcasting's
been around 19 years.
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It's not a new concept anymore.
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And the next generation of podcast
apps are found over at, uh,
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podcast apps.com. So, anyway,
I, I, I really, really,
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really would love you to try one
of those apps and, uh, you know,
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sign up for an Albee wallet
for, uh, Bitcoin, you know,
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cost you 30 bucks to throw a, you
know, a few Satoshis in there,
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and then you can, you know, reward
the people you'll listen to. Uh,
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it's, it's really a cool way to do it. Uh,
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what do I do with Saturn? Oh, I, I must
have closed it otherwise you'd hear,
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uh, boosts coming in, uh,
from my appearance on, uh,
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on podcasting 2.0 show
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it's just something that I, I, I want
everybody to look at and, you know,
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decide.
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Do you want to be beholden
to these big tech companies
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that are really just out there
to sell your data and, you know,
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throw ads at you? You know, no,
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there's nothing particularly wrong with
ads either. You know, some podcasts,
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that's how they, uh, keep
the lights on and, you know,
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you should support them as well.
But this value for value thing,
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I think is going to be really good
for us, independent podcasters.
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And maybe, uh, if you listen to that
show, we did, uh, a, a really good.
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Idea came up for the advertising
piece. So that should be fun.
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But yeah, I just wanted to de debrief,
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decompress from my appearance on
that show and, and, uh, say, Hey,
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try a new podcast app today
or tomorrow, over the weekend,
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whatever. I'll be back tomorrow.
Everybody. Have a good weekend.