Nov. 1, 2023
Full Electric Cars vs. Hybrid – MDW388 – #napodpomo
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Full Electric Vehicles (EVs) and Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicles (PHEVs) each have their own sets of advantages and disadvantages.
Full Electric Vehicle (EV)
Pros:
1. "Zero Emissions" - Full EVs produce no tailpipe emissions, making them environmentally friendly.
2 Lower Operating Costs - Electricity is generally cheaper than gasoline, and EVs typically have fewer moving parts than traditional vehicles, resulting in potentially lower maintenance costs.
3. Quiet Operation - EVs are generally quieter than vehicles with internal combustion engines.
4. Instant Torque - Electric motors provide instant torque, which can lead to quick acceleration.
5. Incentives - Many governments offer tax breaks, rebates, and other incentives for purchasing EVs.
6. Reduced Dependence on Oil - Using EVs can reduce a country's dependence on imported oil.
Cons:
1. Limited Range -Some EVs have a limited driving range compared to gasoline-powered vehicles, although this is improving with advancements in battery technology.
2. Longer Refueling Time - Charging an EV can take longer than filling up a gas tank.
3. Charging Infrastructure - While growing, the EV charging infrastructure is not as widespread as gasoline stations in many areas.
4. Higher Upfront Cost - Although prices are coming down, EVs can have a higher initial purchase price than traditional vehicles.
5. Battery Degradation - Over time, the capacity of the battery can decrease, reducing the vehicle's range.
Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicle (PHEV)
Pros:
1. Flexibility - PHEVs can run on electricity for short trips and switch to gasoline for longer ones, providing the best of both worlds.
2. Reduced Emissions - While not zero-emission when using gasoline, PHEVs generally emit less than traditional vehicles.
3. Incentives - Like EVs, many governments offer incentives for purchasing PHEVs.
4. Less Range Anxiety - The gasoline engine can act as a backup when the battery is depleted.
5. Charging Infrastructure - While beneficial for PHEVs, it's not as crucial since they can also run on gasoline.
Cons:
1. Still Uses Gasoline - PHEVs still rely on gasoline for longer trips, so they aren't entirely free from fossil fuels.
2. Complexity - Having both an electric motor and a gasoline engine can lead to more complex maintenance and potential repairs.
3. Higher Upfront Cost - PHEVs can be more expensive than traditional vehicles and sometimes even more than full EVs due to the dual systems.
4. Limited Electric Range - The electric-only range of PHEVs is typically shorter than that of full EVs.
5. Weight - The combination of a gasoline engine, electric motor, and battery can make PHEVs heavier than traditional vehicles or full EVs.
In summary, the choice between a full EV and a PHEV depends on individual needs, driving habits, and priorities. Both options contribute to reducing greenhouse gas emissions compared to traditional gasoline-powered vehicles, but they come with different considerations.
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Mike Dell's world number 3 8 8 4.
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November 1st, 2023. Nap Pod Pomo,
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23. That sounded official,
didn't it?.
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Anyway, yes, I am doing nap
pod Pomo again this year.
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Uh, just, uh, got done with
some, uh, surgery. So I'm, uh,
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running left-handed here.
had, uh, shoulder surgery, uh,
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last Thursday, and I'm
recovering quite well.
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A little sore, but, uh, otherwise fine.
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I'm gonna be in this sling for
the next six weeks. So if, uh,
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if I sound a little left-handed,
that's why. Anyway, so I,
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I've had this idea, not an idea.
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I've had this subject matter
on my mind for quite a while.
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And of course, as you know, I'm
not the king of consistency.
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I am quite inconsistent. But, uh,
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we're gonna change that at
least for the next 30 days.
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And so today I'm gonna talk
about electric cars. The,
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uh, mainly the difference, you know,
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the pros and cons between full electric,
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an EV or a plugin hybrid electric,
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or pH ev or just a plain old hybrid. Uh,
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so I, I got some stuff listed out. Uh,
the list that I have, I didn't create,
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uh, of pros and cons,
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so I probably going to disagree
with some of the,
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some of what they came up with here,
but, uh, we'll see, we'll see. So, uh,
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a little intro says,
full electric cars, EVs,
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and plugin hybrid electric cars each
have their own set of advantages and
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disadvantages. Hmm, that's what
I just said, wasn't it? Anyway,
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some of the pros of a full
electric vehicle is number
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1 0 0 emissions, and that's bss.
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But there, I'll read what they said,
and then I'm gonna read what I think,
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not read what I think I'm gonna
say, what I think. Anyway,
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full electric cars produce
no tailpipe emissions,
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making them environmentally
friendly. Well, yeah,
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they have no tailpipe emissions, but
where does that electricity come from?
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You know, so something got
burnt or something got reacted,
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or something got heated to
create that electricity,
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regardless of whether it comes outta
your tailpipe or not. You know, the,
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the, the thing about electric, I
think, you know, and, and not being a,
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an engineer type, uh,
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what I think about electric is, you
know, it's gotta come from somewhere. So,
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you know, that's, you know,
yeah, you're not gonna,
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not gonna have any tailpipe emissions.
So I guess I can agree with that. Uh,
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lower operating costs, electricity
is generally cheaper than gasoline,
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and EVs typically have fewer moving
parts than traditional vehicles
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resulting in a, potentially in, oh,
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in potentially lower maintenance
costs. Well, yes and no.
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Yes, it, it can be cheaper to maintain
an electric vehicle because, you know,
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there's no oil changes,
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and generally they're better on
brakes because they do regenerative
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braking and all that good stuff,
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but electricity isn't
always cheaper. In fact,
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in a lot of places it's more
expensive than gasoline. What was it?
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The, uh, CEO of Ford, Jim Farley,
not the Jim Farley from, uh,
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from, uh, WhatsApp with that,
that I used to do. In fact,
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I'm gonna get him on here this
month, hopefully, and, uh,
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and maybe do one of those. That'd
be fun. But anyway, uh, Jim Farley,
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who is the, uh, CEO of Ford Motor Company,
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took off in a, uh,
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Ford Lightning and experienced
some of the pitfalls
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of driving an electric vehicle.
Not necessarily the cost,
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but he did, uh, you know, didn't,
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didn't enjoy it as much as he thought
he would, which I thought was,
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you know, kind of funny. I, like I said,
I have nothing against completely ev,
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you know, complete EV vehicles,
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but they're not for
everybody. And, you know,
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California's trying to force trying,
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they've already passed
a thing whereby 2030,
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was it that, uh,
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there's gonna be no more internal
combustion engine vehicles sold
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in the state of California. Okay?
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That might work out okay, but they
have enough trouble keeping their
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power grid on as it is, you know,
in the summertime, it, you know,
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everybody's running AC
and whatnot and, you know,
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I just don't see how that's going
to work for them or anyone really,
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you know? And even up here,
Northern Michigan, you know,
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the EVs don't do as well in
the cold as they do in, uh,
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70 degree weather or a hundred
degree weather. So we'll see,
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we'll see. Quiet operation,
yes, I agree with that 100%.
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EVs are generally quieter than vehicles
with internal combustion engines.
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I just listened to, uh,
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an episode of 20,000 Hertz
where they talked about
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the,
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the noise that is now required
of EVs in certain states.
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They have to make a noise when
they're at parking lot speeds.
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And some of those noises are kind
of, kind of funny, you know, if I,
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if I got to pick the
noise, I, I want the, uh,
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George Jetson flying car noise,,
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I think that'd be fun anyway.
But yes, the EVs are quiet,
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instant torque, and that's, you know,
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number four on the pros for
the full ev uh, you know,
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electric motors provide instant torque,
which can lead to quick acceleration.
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Yeah, they're fast. Uh, I
guess that Tesla plaid is, uh,
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is something else. Ludicrous mode.
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And so that, that I guess
would be an advantage,
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except for when are you
gonna use it? You know, it's,
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it's like somebody buying a, a
Lamborghini Huan or some, you know,
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whatever the new Lamborghini
is, uh, to go, you know, well,
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it goes 200 miles an hour. I said, well,
yeah, but where are you gonna use that?
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Same thing with this instant
acceleration. It's, it's cool,
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it's a party trick. But I
don't know if practically,
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you know, I guess if you live
in a, an area where there's a,
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a lot of traffic and stuff, that
could be pretty handy. I don't know.
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Incentives, uh, that's another
thing. Many governments,
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uh, around the world, around the
country offer tax breaks, rebates,
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and other incentives for purchasing
an electric vehicle. Yeah,
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well, for now, but when all
vehicles are electric, you know,
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what, what are
they gonna do that? Okay?
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Reduce dependence on oil using EVs
can reduce a country's dependence on
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imported oil. Okay? Again,
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the electricity's gotta come from
somewhere, burning natural gas, coal,
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nuke, if it's nuke, and then, okay,
I am all for it. But, uh, you know,
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a lot of people that are for
electric cars are against nuke
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and nuclear energy is probably the,
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the one way that this would
make sense to having, you know,
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everybody be on an electric
car. And some of the cons,
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uh, limited range, some EVs
have a limited driving range,
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all have a limited driving
range. Uh, not just some, uh,
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but compared to gasoline vehicles,
of course there's limited range. Now,
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you know,
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you get a fancy Tesla and you're in
an area where there's a lot of Tesla
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chargers or along, along your route,
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there's a lot of Tesla
chargers and they're not busy,
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and they're all working
and, and, and, you know,
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you can drive cross country
in a Tesla, you know,
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and you spend an hour here, spend an
hour there charging. And, you know,
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it's not significantly different
than driving a gasoline
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powered vehicle, but tried doing
that across Interstate 80. Uh,
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I remember between, uh,
Laramie, Wyoming, and, uh,
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Ogden, Utah that chunked through there.
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You can barely get there
on one tank of gasoline. I,
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I can't imagine an ev doing
that, but could happen.
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And that's been a long time
since I've been out there.
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So maybe there are more charging,
uh, of course, another one,
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another one of the cons is a
longer refueling time. Of course,
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charging an EV can take longer than
filling up a guest. It can. Yeah, it does.
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But again, you know,
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think you're on our trip
and you stop for lunch
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or dinner or whatever, just to,
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to walk around to hit the
restroom, whatnot. Uh, you know,
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it may not be significantly longer
depending on how you do it, you know,
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but when I'm, you know, when I'm on a
road trip and I, I want to get somewhere,
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you know,
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I stop for fuel and while
I'm getting fuel or I get
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something to eat and I get to, you
know, hit the bathroom and all that,
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and I'm back in the vehicle, 15
minutes, something like that,
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you know, a lot of these, uh, electric
cars, you gotta spend, you know,
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45 minutes to an hour just to
get to the next charging station,
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which you're going to do another 45
minutes to an hour of charging time
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and fully charge the car could
take 3, 4, 5 hours. So, hmm.
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You know, uh,
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another disadvantage is charging
infrastructure while growing ev
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charging infrastructure
is not as widespread as
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gasoline. Wow. I can't read
with a crap today. That's okay.
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But you get the point. The point is,
they don't have it all built out yet.
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And, you know, how long is it gonna
take to completely build out the,
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the charging stations and
whatnot? So, you know,
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it could be that you get in an
area where there's four chargers,
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here in Traverse
City, I can think of three
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electric charging stations,
uh, one set of Meyer store,
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which is, uh, kinda like a, a
Walmart, but a Midwest thing. Uh,
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there's some there, there's some
at a Burger King here, uh, in town.
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And I know there's one other, but
I have, I'm not exactly sure where.
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But the funny thing is, I
go to the one, uh, you know,
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go see, go drive by the one my Meyers
there, and they have like four chargers,
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maybe or six. And every once in
a while I'll see a car there,
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but I don't see a lot. And on this
side of town at the Burger King,
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uh, that's a blink charger. And uh,
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I think they have four
charging stations there.
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And I don't see any,
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I've never seen a car
parked at the EV charger.
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I'm not saying it doesn't happen,
but you know, I've never seen it.
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Now when I've gone to Columbus for work,
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the hotel I stay at has Tesla chargers,
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and usually there's at least one
Tesla Park there at the hotel. Okay,
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yeah. Maybe if I lived in Columbus,
that would be a, a viable option.
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But living around here, you know,
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now I'd probably have a charger
set up at home, which, you know,
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would be much more convenient and
probably would use it. But, uh, again,
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you know, there's nothing particularly
wrong about these things. It's just,
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you know,
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there's a particular mission
that they work for and some that
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not really, uh, let's see,
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higher upfront costs. Yeah, that's true.
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Although prices are coming down,
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EVs can have a higher initial purchase
price than a traditional vehicle.
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They can, uh, depends, you know, but
you know, if you're gonna buy a Tesla,
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of course you're gonna, you're gonna
pay a lot of extra money for a Tesla.
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Tesla's obviously the best
of the best, or maybe Rivian,
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which is even more
expensive. And you know,
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I do see a bunch of Rivian around here
and Teslas, so I don't, I don't know,
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they must charge at home or something.
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Or maybe I just don't know where the
public chargers are since I'm not in that
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market. But, uh, yes, they
can be more expensive. Also,
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battery degradation. Um, EVs,
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you know, the batteries only last so
many cycles. You know, it's like your,
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you know, your phone, your
iPhone or your Android, you know,
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after a couple of years, it doesn't
hold as much charge as it used to. And,
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you know, to change a battery is like
changing an engine in a car, you know,
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in a gas powered car, you are gonna spend
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I read a study somewhere and I, I wish
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I would put it in the links
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an electric car say,
say a Tesla model three
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and you bought a brand new
Chevy Suburban with a 6.2 liter
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V eight engine in it. Okay? And you
bought both of them at the same,
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same time. Both of them cost
roughly the same amount of money,
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maybe a little more for the
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Now I've never heard of a Tesla
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but let's just for instance say it did.
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a quarter million miles.
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That Suburban is gonna put out
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than that Tesla. You know,
'cause you gotta mine the stuff,
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probably gonna change the, uh,
change the battery at least once, uh,
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on the Tesla you may end up
changing an engine on the, uh,
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on the suburban. But the engine, you know,
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doesn't take up specific
significant amounts of, uh,
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any raw materials other than some
iron and and whatnot,
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plastics. Uh, but the, the paraphrasing,
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the study that the, uh,
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suburban was definitely a
cleaner choice than the Tesla
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for a a quarter million
mile lifespan. So, you know,
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so a full electric vehicle in my
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to be what I'm gonna get. Uh,
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I would more go for the plugin
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probably a plugin. 'cause again,
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I could plug it in at home
for a lot of my missions.
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I could definitely do
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like going to doctor's appointments and
going shopping and going out to dinner
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and, you know, all this stuff.
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But then I would also have that choice
if I wanted to go on a longer ride.
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I could, you know, most plug-in
hybrids, you know, go quite a ways.
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I rented one, one time, it was a Ford. Uh,
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I, yeah, they're midsize car, whatever
that was. Fusion. So Ford Fusion,
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plug it hybrid.
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I rented one and the thing got 47 miles to
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the gallon of gas
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and I drove it to Columbus
and back for work.
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It was great. Uh, you know, and half
the time the engine's not running.
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You can't really tell 'cause
they're super quiet, uh,
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whether the engine's running or not.
But it got 47 miles to the gallon.
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It was quiet. And, you know, I
could totally see that, you know,
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and driving around in downtown
Columbus, the thing was charged up.
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'cause I'd been driving it on the highway.
I didn't plug it in the whole time.
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I, I had it, but you don't
have to with those. But anyway,
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here's some of the stuff that
the, this list came up with. Uh,
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flexibility plugin.
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Hybrid electric vehicles can run
on electricity for a short trip and
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switch to gasoline for longer ones.
Providing the best of both worlds.
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Agree 100%. Much, uh, much more flexible,
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reduced emissions while
not zero emission when
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using gasoline plugin hybrids
generally emit less than traditional
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vehicles.
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And that's true 'cause the electric
motor helps on acceleration and all that.
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So tailpipe emissions are reduced.
Uh, again, you still got that, uh,
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battery problem, but not
as much as with a full, uh,
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full electric 'cause the batteries
aren't as big on the plugins.
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many governments can offer incentives
for purchasing a plugin hybrid.
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So yeah, that's, that's a thing.
It may not always be a thing,
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but it's a thing. Uh, let's
see. Less ranging anxiety.
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Gasoline engine can act as a backup when
the batteries depleted. Yeah, I mean,
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it's just a normal car,
you know, in practicality,
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it, it's just a normal car. So, you know,
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and that goes for regular hybrids
or plugin hybrids. It's, uh,
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it's a great, uh, great thing.
And infrastructure for charging.
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Uh, you don't have to worry so much about
that. Now, if you feel like doing it,
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you could stop and plug in your
uh, uh, you know, plug in hybrid,
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but you don't have to. And
that's the, the beauty of it.
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you could plug it into
just plain old 110, uh,
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here in the states or two 20
everywhere else. Uh, you know,
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class one charger would probably
help, you know, if I had one,
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I would probably plug the thing in.
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every night, that'd be fine, you know,
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and it would probably be just fine.
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But you don't ever really have to plug
them in either. So that's kind of a good,
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good thing. So here's the cons they
come up with on this list. Like I said,
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this is a list that I
didn't create,
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but thought it was a
good subject matter. Uh,
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one of the cons of a plugin hybrid
is it still uses gasoline. Yeah,
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duh. That's it. Advantage if you
ask me. But that's a con here.
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Listed complexity,
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having both an electric motor and a
gasoline engine can lead to more complex
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maintenance and potential
repairs. True. But again,
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the electric side of that is
much less maintenance than the
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gasoline side. And since
it is a plugin hybrid,
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and you will be running in full EV mode
once in a while or some of the time,
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or even when you're not, it's less
stress and strain on the engine.
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'cause generally they have smaller
engines. Uh, what is that? BMW.
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There was ABMW model that I thought
was pretty good. Plugin hybrid that,
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uh, had a little three cylinder engine and
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you know, plus the battery and the
thing would go a hundred miles or so on,
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And basically the gasoline
engine just charged the
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battery. So it was actually
running electric mode all the time.
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Just sometimes the engine's
running, sometimes it's not.
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And I don't see why that's
much more complicated than, uh,
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than a regular gas car. So
at a higher cost, of course,
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higher up front cost. Uh, 'cause
you're buying the battery in the,
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in the second drive train, basically.
So yeah, that makes sense. Uh,
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limited electric range. Well, yeah,
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'cause it's gonna have
smaller batteries. Of course,
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you could get a plug-in hybrid that
has the full battery. I think there,
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there's a couple of 'em out there
where you can go 300 miles on,
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on electric and, and it still
has an engine. So that's
kind of cool. And weight,
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yes, they are heavy,
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but when you live up here in the north
where the snow flies heavy might not
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be a bad thing. At least
not for getting going,
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sometimes for stopping. But, uh,
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in summary,
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the choice between a full EV and a plug-in
hybrid depends on individual needs.
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Driving habits and priorities.
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Both options contribute to
reducing greenhouse emissions.
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I still don't believe that that
was me interjecting while reading,
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uh, compared to the traditional
gasoline powered vehicles.
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So yeah, my, the bottom line is, I,
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I don't think I will go for
a full electric vehicle now.
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I could see maybe if
it was a second car or
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a third car, you know, uh,
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I could see having something that's
full electric. You know, if, say I, I,
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I commuted, I don't commute. Well, my
commute's 45 feet out the back door,
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uh, to my office here.
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But say I commuted like I used to
when I worked at the print shop,
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uh, I think I commuted two and
a half miles, maybe three miles.
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I could see having a full electric
car for that, for that mission,
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but it couldn't be my primary
vehicle because I still,
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you know,
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would like the option to be able to go
on long trips without having to worry
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about it or without having to
rent a car or whatever. Uh,
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but you know, I could see that
in, in that case, I could,
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I could see a, a full electric,
you know, if, if I was,
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you know, say I was retired and all I
did was go to doctor's appointments and,
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and grocery shopping
and, and whatever, yeah.
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Doctor's appointments around my mind since
I've been doing a lot of that lately.
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But anyway, you
get my drift. You know,
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if you're not taking long
trips, you're, you know,
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just gonna be putzing around town.
Yeah, might be fun. Um, but then again,
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you could, uh, probably go, uh, get a, uh,
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oh, what do you call
it? Uh, get, get a, uh,
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a golf cart for, you
know, a lot of places. But anyway,
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uh, so that, that's my
gist. Uh, I don't know,
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something just popped up on my
screen here, uh, while recording,
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so I don't know what that means. But,
uh, it still seems to be recording,
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so we'll just go with it. But, uh, yeah,
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I could see myself driving a
plugin hybrid, uh, for sure,
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because there's no real
compromise there. Now, you know,
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you look at that, uh, Ford Lightning
truck, it's a full size pickup truck.
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If I was gonna buy something like that
or say I bought something like that,
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and I, you know, I'm towing
things, well, towing things,
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you're not gonna get the 300
miles or whatever out of it.
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You're gonna get quarter
of that. Uh, you know,
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if you're just putzing around town,
you don't need anything that big. It,
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it just doesn't seem
like a practical thing.
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But if I had a hybrid full-sized
truck where, you know,
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the electric assist, uh,
sometimes or just to help the,
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the fuel mileage, that
that'd be totally fine. Uh,
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but like I said, don't buy
into the thing that, that,
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that it's better for the environment
because they're really not those lithium
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ion batteries and all the stuff they
gotta do to mine it and manufacture it and
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all of that stuff is not any
better than, uh, you know,
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the way gasoline or diesel engines
are now. Uh, they're super clean.
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Uh, my uncle's got a, uh, full-size
Ford diesel truck. He gets,
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uh, you know, probably 15,
20 miles to the gallon,
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20 miles to the gallon on the
highway 15. Otherwise. And,
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but that tailpipe you, you could,
you could eat off of that tailpipe.
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It's just squeaky clean. No soot,
no nothing. Uh, you know, gas cars,
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same way. They're, they're
very, very clean now. So, uh,
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you know, I,
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I don't see where the environmental
side of it is that much of an advantage.
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I I just don't, uh, but
I could be wrong. Anyway,
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yeah, all my episodes this month
are not gonna be this long or,
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or this red.
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I just had this one in my craw for a
long time, so I wanted to get it out. Uh,
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going forward, it's just gonna be
whatever, uh, whatever happens, happens.
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And, uh, be sure to check
out apod pomo.org. And, uh,
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this year they're, they're really getting
organized. We're having a daily live,
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uh, you know, live shows over there. Uh,
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Jennifer and, and her team over at,
at Nap Pod Pomo are, are doing that.
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We're doing some podcaster workshops,
whether you're participating or not in,
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in, you know, as a podcaster,
uh, you can still, you know,
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get in on those. Uh, they're just
big giant Zoom calls and, uh,
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we talk about stuff. Uh, blueberry,
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the company I work for
is a sponsor this year,
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and we'll be participating in some
of the live shows and all that.
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And of course, if you
don't already know, uh,
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I'm the co-host of Podcast Insider
that comes out every Thursday
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over@blueberry.com or podcast insider.com.
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So anyway, catch you tomorrow.
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Mike Dell's world number 3 8 8 4.
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November 1st, 2023. Nap Pod Pomo,
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23. That sounded official,
didn't it?
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Anyway, yes, I am doing nap
pod Pomo again this year.
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Uh, just, uh, got done with
some, uh, surgery. So I'm, uh,
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running left-handed here.
had, uh, shoulder surgery, uh,
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last Thursday, and I'm
recovering quite well.
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A little sore, but, uh, otherwise fine.
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I'm gonna be in this sling for
the next six weeks. So if, uh,
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if I sound a little left-handed,
that's why
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I've had this idea, not an idea.
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I've had this subject matter
on my mind for quite a while.
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And of course, as you know, I'm
not the king of consistency.
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I am quite inconsistent. But, uh,
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we're gonna change that at
least for the next 30 days.
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And so today I'm gonna talk
about electric cars. The,
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uh, mainly the difference, you know,
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the pros and cons between full electric,
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an EV or a plugin hybrid electric,
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or pH ev or just a plain old hybrid. Uh,
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so I, I got some stuff listed out. Uh,
the list that I have, I didn't create,
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uh, of pros and cons,
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so I probably going to disagree
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some of what they came up with here,
but, uh, we'll see, we'll see. So, uh,
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a little intro says,
full electric cars, EVs,
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and plugin hybrid electric cars each
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disadvantages. Hmm, that's what
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some of the pros of a full
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1 0 0 emissions, and that's bss.
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But there, I'll read what they said,
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not read what I think I'm gonna
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full electric cars produce
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making them environmentally
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they have no tailpipe emissions, but
where does that electricity come from?
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burnt or something got reacted,
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or something got heated to
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regardless of whether it comes outta
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the, the thing about electric, I
think, you know, and, and not being a,
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an engineer type, uh,
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what I think about electric is, you
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you know, that's, you know,
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not gonna have any tailpipe emissions.
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lower operating costs, electricity
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in potentially lower maintenance
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there's no oil changes,
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and generally they're better on
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braking and all that good stuff,
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but electricity isn't
always cheaper. In fact,
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in a lot of places it's more
expensive than gasoline. What was it?
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The, uh, CEO of Ford, Jim Farley,
not the Jim Farley from, uh,
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from, uh, WhatsApp with that,
that I used to do. In fact,
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I'm gonna get him on here this
month, hopefully, and, uh,
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and maybe do one of those. That'd
be fun. But anyway, uh, Jim Farley,
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who is the, uh, CEO of Ford Motor Company,
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took off in a, uh,
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Ford Lightning and experienced
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of driving an electric vehicle.
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but he did, uh, you know, didn't,
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didn't enjoy it as much as he thought
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you know, kind of funny. I, like I said,
I have nothing against completely ev,
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you know, complete EV vehicles,
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but they're not for
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California's trying to force trying,
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they've already passed
a thing whereby 2030,
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was it that, uh,
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there's gonna be no more internal
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in the state of California. Okay?
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That might work out okay, but they
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power grid on as it is, you know,
in the summertime, it, you know,
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everybody's running AC
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you know? And even up here,
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the EVs don't do as well in
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70 degree weather or a hundred
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we'll see. Quiet operation,
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EVs are generally quieter than vehicles
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an episode of 20,000 Hertz
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the noise that is now required
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They have to make a noise when
they're at parking lot speeds.
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of, kind of funny, you know, if I,
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if I got to pick the
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George Jetson flying car noise,
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I think that'd be fun anyway.
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instant torque, and that's, you know,
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number four on the pros for
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electric motors provide instant torque,
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Yeah, they're fast. Uh, I
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is something else. Ludicrous mode.
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except for when are you
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it's like somebody buying a, a
Lamborghini Huan or some, you know,
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whatever the new Lamborghini
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it goes 200 miles an hour. I said, well,
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Same thing with this instant
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it's a party trick. But I
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you know, I guess if you live
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a lot of traffic and stuff, that
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Incentives, uh, that's another
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uh, around the world, around the
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well, for now, but when all
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what, what
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the electricity's gotta come from
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nuke, if it's nuke, and then, okay,
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a lot of people that are for
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the one way that this would
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everybody be on an electric
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uh, limited range, some EVs
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all have a limited driving
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but compared to gasoline vehicles,
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you get a fancy Tesla and you're in
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there's a lot of Tesla
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and they're all working
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you can drive cross country
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it's not significantly different
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powered vehicle, but tried doing
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another one of the cons is a
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charging an EV can take longer than
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think you're on our trip
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or dinner or whatever, just to,
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to walk around to hit the
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it may not be significantly longer
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but when I'm, you know, when I'm on a
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I stop for fuel and while
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something to eat and I get to, you
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and I'm back in the vehicle, 15
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you know, a lot of these, uh, electric
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which you're going to do another 45
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charging infrastructure
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gasoline. Wow. I can't read
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But you get the point. The point is,
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the charging stations and
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it could be that you get in an
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electric charging stations,
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which is, uh, kinda like a, a
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there's some there, there's some
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go to the one, uh, you know,
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go see, go drive by the one my Meyers
there, and they have like four chargers,
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maybe or six. And every once in
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but I don't see a lot. And on this
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uh, that's a blink charger. And uh,
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I'm not saying it doesn't happen,
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the hotel I stay at has Tesla chargers,
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and usually there's at least one
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yeah. Maybe if I lived in Columbus,
that would be a, a viable option.
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would be much more convenient and
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you know, there's nothing particularly
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there's a particular mission
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higher upfront costs. Yeah, that's true.
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They can, uh, depends, you know, but
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of course you're gonna, you're gonna
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Tesla's obviously the best
of the best, or maybe Rivian,
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which is even more
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I do see a bunch of Rivian around here
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they must charge at home or something.
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market. But, uh, yes, they
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battery degradation. Um, EVs,
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you know, the batteries only last so
many cycles. You know, it's like your,
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you know, your phone, your
iPhone or your Android, you know,
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after a couple of years, it doesn't
hold as much charge as it used to. And,
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you know, to change a battery is like
changing an engine in a car, you know,
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in a gas powered car, you are gonna spend
four or six, eight, $10,000 for that.
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it? So kind of throws it away.
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I read a study somewhere and I, I wish
I had it. If I did, if I could find it,
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I would put it in the links
here. But they say that, uh,
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an electric car say,
say a Tesla model three
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and you bought a brand
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and you bought a brand new
Chevy Suburban with a 6.2 liter
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V eight engine in it. Okay? And you
bought both of them at the same,
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same time. Both of them cost
roughly the same amount of money,
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maybe a little more for the
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but let's just for instance say it did.
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a quarter million miles.
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than that Tesla. You know,
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probably gonna change the, uh,
change the battery at least once, uh,
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on the Tesla you may end up
changing an engine on the, uh,
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doesn't take up specific
significant amounts of, uh,
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any raw materials other than some
iron and
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plastics. Uh, but the, the paraphrasing,
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the study that the, uh,
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suburban was definitely a
cleaner choice than the Tesla
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for a a quarter million
mile lifespan. So, you know,
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so a full electric vehicle in my
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I would more go for the plugin
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probably a plugin. 'cause again,
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I could plug it in at home
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all electric, you know,
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like going to doctor's appointments and
going shopping and going out to dinner
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I could, you know, most plug-in
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I, yeah, they're midsize car, whatever
that was. Fusion. So Ford Fusion,
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I rented one and the thing got 47 miles to
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the gallon of gas
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and I drove it to Columbus
and back for work.
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It was great. Uh, you know, and half
the time the engine's not running.
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You can't really tell 'cause
they're super quiet, uh,
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whether the engine's running or not.
But it got 47 miles to the gallon.
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It was quiet. And, you know, I
could totally see that, you know,
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and driving around in downtown
Columbus, the thing was charged up.
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'cause I'd been driving it on the highway.
I didn't plug it in the whole time.
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I, I had it, but you don't
have to with those. But anyway,
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here's some of the stuff that
the, this list came up with. Uh,
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flexibility plugin.
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Hybrid electric vehicles can run
on electricity for a short trip and
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switch to gasoline for longer ones.
Providing the best of both worlds.
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Agree 100%. Much, uh, much more flexible,
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reduced emissions while
not zero emission when
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using gasoline plugin hybrids
generally emit less than traditional
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vehicles.
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And that's true 'cause the electric
motor helps on acceleration and all that.
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So tailpipe emissions are reduced.
Uh, again, you still got that, uh,
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battery problem, but not
as much as with a full, uh,
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full electric 'cause the batteries
aren't as big on the plugins.
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Uh, incentives, just like the EVs,
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many governments can offer incentives
for purchasing a plugin hybrid.
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So yeah, that's, that's a thing.
It may not always be a thing,
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but it's a thing. Uh, let's
see. Less ranging anxiety.
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Gasoline engine can act as a backup when
the batteries depleted. Yeah, I mean,
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it's just a normal car,
you know, in practicality,
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it, it's just a normal car. So, you know,
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and that goes for regular hybrids
or plugin hybrids. It's, uh,
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it's a great, uh, great thing.
And infrastructure for charging.
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Uh, you don't have to worry so much about
that. Now, if you feel like doing it,
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you could stop and plug in your
uh, uh, you know, plug in hybrid,
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but you don't have to. And
that's the, the beauty of it.
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And since they have a smaller battery,
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you could plug it into
just plain old 110, uh,
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here in the states or two 20
everywhere else. Uh, you know,
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class one charger would probably
help, you know, if I had one,
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I would probably plug the thing in.
And when I got in the garage, you know,
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every night, that'd be fine, you know,
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and it would probably be just fine.
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But you don't ever really have to plug
them in either. So that's kind of a good,
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good thing. So here's the cons they
come up with on this list. Like I said,
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this is a list that I
didn't create
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but thought it was a
good subject matter. Uh,
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one of the cons of a plugin hybrid
is it still uses gasoline. Yeah,
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duh. That's it. Advantage if you
ask me. But that's a con here.
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Listed
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having both an electric motor and a
gasoline engine can lead to more complex
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maintenance and potential
repairs. True. But again,
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the electric side of that is
much less maintenance than the
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gasoline side. And since
it is a plugin hybrid,
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and you will be running in full EV mode
once in a while or some of the time,
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or even when you're not, it's less
stress and strain on the engine.
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'cause generally they have smaller
engines. Uh, what is that? BMW.
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There was ABMW model that I thought
was pretty good. Plugin hybrid that,
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uh, had a little three cylinder engine and
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you know, plus the battery and the
thing would go a hundred miles or so on,
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on pure electric.
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And basically the gasoline
engine just charged the
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battery. So it was actually
running electric mode all the time.
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Just sometimes the engine's
running, sometimes it's not.
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And I don't see why that's
much more complicated than, uh,
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than a regular gas car. So
at a higher cost, of course,
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higher up front cost. Uh, 'cause
you're buying the battery in the,
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in the second drive train, basically.
So yeah, that makes sense. Uh,
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limited electric range. Well, yeah,
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'cause it's gonna have
smaller batteries. Of course,
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you could get a plug-in hybrid that
has the full battery. I think there,
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there's a couple of 'em out there
where you can go 300 miles on,
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on electric and, and it still
has an engine. So that's
kind of cool. And weight,
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yes, they are heavy,
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but when you live up here in the north
where the snow flies heavy might not
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be a bad thing. At least
not for getting going,
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sometimes for stopping
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in summary,
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the choice between a full EV and a plug-in
hybrid depends on individual needs.
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Driving habits and priorities.
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Both options contribute to
reducing greenhouse emissions.
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I still don't believe that that
was me interjecting while reading,
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uh, compared to the traditional
gasoline powered vehicles.
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So yeah, my, the bottom line is, I,
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I don't think I will go for
a full electric vehicle now.
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I could see maybe if
it was a second car or
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a third car, you know, uh,
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I could see having something that's
full electric. You know, if, say I, I,
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I commuted, I don't commute. Well, my
commute's 45 feet out the back door,
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uh, to my office here.
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But say I commuted like I used to
when I worked at the print shop,
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uh, I think I commuted two and
a half miles, maybe three miles.
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I could see having a full electric
car for that, for that mission,
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but it couldn't be my primary
vehicle because I still,
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you know,
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would like the option to be able to go
on long trips without having to worry
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about it or without having to
rent a car or whatever. Uh,
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but you know, I could see that
in, in that case, I could,
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I could see a, a full electric,
you know, if, if I was,
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you know, say I was retired and all I
did was go to doctor's appointments and,
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and grocery shopping
and, and whatever, yeah.
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Doctor's appointments around my mind since
I've been doing a lot of that lately.
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But
get my drift. You know,
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if you're not taking long
trips, you're, you know,
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just gonna be putzing around town.
Yeah, might be fun. Um, but then again,
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you could, uh, probably go, uh, get a, uh,
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oh, what do you call
it? Uh, get, get a, uh,
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a golf cart
know, a lot of places. But anyway,
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uh, so that, that's my
gist. Uh, I don't know,
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something just popped up on my
screen here, uh, while recording,
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so I don't know what that means. But,
uh, it still seems to be recording,
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so we'll just go with it. But, uh, yeah,
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I could see myself driving a
plugin hybrid, uh, for sure,
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because there's no real
compromise there. Now, you know,
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you look at that, uh, Ford Lightning
truck, it's a full size pickup truck.
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If I was gonna buy something like that
or say I bought something like that,
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and I, you know, I'm towing
things, well, towing things,
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you're not gonna get the 300
miles or whatever out of it.
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You're gonna get quarter
of that. Uh, you know,
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if you're just putzing around town,
you don't need anything that big. It,
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it just doesn't seem
like a practical thing.
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But if I had a hybrid full-sized
truck where, you know,
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the electric assist, uh,
sometimes or just to help the,
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the fuel mileage, that
that'd be totally fine. Uh,
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but like I said, don't buy
into the thing that, that,
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that it's better for the environment
because they're really not those lithium
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ion batteries and all the stuff they
gotta do to mine it and manufacture it and
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all of that stuff is not any
better than, uh, you know,
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the way gasoline or diesel engines
are now. Uh, they're super clean.
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Uh, my uncle's got a, uh, full-size
Ford diesel truck. He gets,
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uh, you know, probably 15,
20 miles to the gallon,
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20 miles to the gallon on the
highway 15. Otherwise. And,
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but that tailpipe you, you could,
you could eat off of that tailpipe.
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It's just squeaky clean. No soot,
no nothing. Uh, you know, gas cars,
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same way. They're, they're
very, very clean now. So, uh,
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you know, I,
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I don't see where the environmental
side of it is that much of an advantage.
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I I just don't, uh, but
I could be wrong. Anyway,
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yeah, all my episodes this month
are not gonna be this long or,
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or this red
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I just had this one in my craw for a
long time, so I wanted to get it out. Uh,
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going forward, it's just gonna be
whatever, uh, whatever happens, happens.
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And, uh, be sure to check
out apod pomo.org. And, uh,
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this year they're, they're really getting
organized. We're having a daily live,
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uh, you know, live shows over there. Uh,
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Jennifer and, and her team over at,
at Nap Pod Pomo are, are doing that.
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We're doing some podcaster workshops,
whether you're participating or not in,
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in, you know, as a podcaster,
uh, you can still, you know,
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get in on those. Uh, they're just
big giant Zoom calls and, uh,
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we talk about stuff. Uh, blueberry,
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the company I work for
is a sponsor this year,
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and we'll be participating in some
of the live shows and all that.
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And of course, if you
don't already know, uh,
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I'm the co-host of Podcast Insider
that comes out every Thursday
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over@blueberry.com or podcast insider.com.
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So anyway, catch you tomorrow.