Sept. 19, 2026

Cyclosporiasis with Dr. Derek Larson

Cyclosporiasis with Dr. Derek Larson
Cyclosporiasis with Dr. Derek Larson
GSACEP Beyond the Call
Cyclosporiasis with Dr. Derek Larson

In this episode, Dr. Long discusses the ongoing cyclosporasis outbreak - and how military EM physicians can manage this diarrheal disease - with Dr. Derek Larson.

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Hello, I'm Commander Ann Long, and welcome to another episode

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of the GSAP podcast. In this episode, I'll be interviewing

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Dr. Derek Larson, a Navy infectious disease physician and

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current program director of the Infectious Disease Fellowship at

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Navy Medicine Readiness and Training Command San Diego, Dr.

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Larson attended medical school at Lake Erie College of

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Osteopathic Medicine at Seton Hill, and completed his

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residency in internal medicine at Naval Medical Center

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Portsmouth. He then went on to complete his infectious disease

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fellowship at NMRTC San Diego in 2018. His previous duty stations

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include Fort Belvoir Community Hospital in Virginia and First

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Medical Battalion at Camp Pendleton, California. He has

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traveled to multiple countries, practicing in Honduras, Ghana,

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Haiti, and Djibouti. Today, we'll be talking about the

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recent cyclospora outbreak and what military emergency

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physicians need to know about recognizing and managing the

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disease. Thanks for listening. Hi, everybody. Welcome to this

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episode of the GSA ASEP podcast. I'm Dr. Ann Long, your host, and

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today I have Dr. Derek Larson. Welcome to the podcast.

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Oh, thanks for having me. All

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right. So today's topic is the lovely Cyclospora, which has

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been a lot in the news recently. For our first question, for the

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ER physician who hasn't thought about cyclospora since probably

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med school or residency, what is it, and why are we talking about

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it right now?

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Yeah, yeah. So why are we talking about it right now? And

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it's funny. I was thinking about this last night and trying to

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prepare for this. And actually, last time I was doing an

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interview about this, it was also about diarrhea. So

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personally, it's very on brand for me, I guess. But the yeah,

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cyclospor itself is an interesting little prozoan

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parasite that seems to have made the news a bunch recently, and

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it's kind of it shows up every year. But this year has been

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fairly remarkable, and so yeah, I think it's really nice that

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the the podcast is picking it up because when we send out these

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news alerts from public health authorities, right, the whole

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purpose is to remind ourselves of things that that wouldn't

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normally part of our diagnostic or or management algorithms. So

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yeah, I think it's a really good idea you guys covered this.

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Yeah, yeah, for sure. So, what's happening right now with the

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current cyclospora outbreaks, and then you know what what is

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unusual about this year's? The

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interesting thing is that obviously, if I give numbers,

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they continue to evolve. But currently, we're sitting at just

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under about 17,000 cases statewide. About 900 of them

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have been hospitalized, and and currently we're only sitting at

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two deaths. So, so that's I guess at least a favorable

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ratio. Although zero would of course be better. When when we

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look at this current outbreak, we're we're sitting at about

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11,000 just from that single source that everybody has been

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seeing in the news, and the rest of them have come from a couple

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of other sources. But when when you look at how this sets it

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apart, I think last year we had about 1,800 cases statewide, or

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not statewide, countrywide, and and the last peak we had was

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about 2019, which was just shy of 5,000 proven cases. So,

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sitting at 18,000 now, and and that number is still going to

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change because last I checked with the CDC, there was still

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about 11,000 under investigation, so I don't know

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which way those are going to go. But yeah, the numbers are still

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going to change a bit.

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It's definitely a lot more than those previous years. Moving on

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to how these patients would come into the ER, what should trigger

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an ER doc to think that this might be cyclospora instead of

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like the normal viral gastroenteritis.

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Yeah, that's a that's a tough one. I was trying to shift my my

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mentality away from being an ID doc to being you know lines of

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the ED. It's a little easier after they've seen three or four

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people before they get to me.

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Yeah, but yeah,

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the overlap is is significant, and the the closest thing that I

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think we. We're used to thinking about would be another protozoan

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of Giardia, where you know if they're presenting like we

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normally think of that with kind of the more abdominal pain,

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lower intestinal symptoms, bloating, flatulence, copious,

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watery diarrhea, that moves a little bit more into the the

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cyclospora world. Although the overlap with VGE is is

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definitely there because they can show up a couple of days

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after an exposure, they can show up a couple of weeks after an

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exposure. Some of the VGEs have a you know four to five day

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incubation period. Sapa virus, astroviruses. So yeah, that that

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world is definitely gray, and and not everybody comes in

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saying right. I think I was exposed to lettuce that was part

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of this outbreak. I know. I

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mean, I can't even really remember what I ate this

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morning, so you know, it's it's difficult for people sometimes.

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Yeah, yeah, and and you know, if any of my fellows are listening,

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or anybody gets a tricky board question where they mention like

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cilantro or raspberries-that's like your board style question.

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But like you're saying, people people see other people every

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day and are exposed that way, and people tend to eat multiple

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times a day. So it's really hard to parse down a particular

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exposure that that would really send off the radars here. But

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yeah, again, kind of that Giardia esque presentation would

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start moving me in in that category.

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So that kind of goes through a little bit of like the

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cyclospora presentation. So I'll move on to the next question,

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which is how important is the duration of diarrhea, and what

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point does gastroenteritis become? This may need a little

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bit more evaluation.

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You know, classically, the cyclosporine is going to last

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for weeks, if not a couple of months, if untreated in your

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even immunocompetent patients. So certainly, if someone is is

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showing up after you know a week or two, when most of BGEs or

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even bacterial gastroenteritises would have passed, and now

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you're starting to get into that world again. Of is it Giardia or

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is it like a non-infectious? Is it IBDs? Is it IBS? Is it things

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over in GI world for the more kind of subacute to chronic? I

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would start to add that into the differential, especially in in

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what we call cyclospora season, which I don't know if everybody

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celebrates, but it's it's between May and August

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typically, unless there's a big outbreak like this.

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Say we've worked up the patients, or you know now

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they're kind of more into their illness. Who tends to be sick

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enough to require hospitalization? And then, is

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there any special treatment for any immunocompromised people,

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you know, thankfully the the average human doesn't tend to

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get sick enough from this to warrant hospitalization. Now,

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some could be quite miserable with that that copious and

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especially urgent diarrhea. They're they're certainly not

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happy, but usually able to keep up with the fluids because

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there's not as much of a nausea and vomiting component to it is

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is some of the other GI bugs, but folks who who really are

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kind of behind on the cellular immunity side of things because

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it's a it is an intracellular pathogen. So you think about

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advanced HIV into AIDS territory. You think about your

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transplant patients, either solid organ or bone marrow, or

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someone on an immunosuppressive in that realm, maybe moving into

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the realm where they're going to be at risk for higher disease. I

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do have to give a shout out to to modern antiretrovirals.

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You'll see a lot of the old studies about HIV patients, but

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you know, with the modern therapy, they're actually not as

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immunocompromised, assuming they're on the therapy, as they

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were back when they did the studies with cyclosporin HIV in

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the '90s and the '80s, so that that data needs a little bit of

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a critical review. But yeah, overall, still about 5% of

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symptomatic folks are are hospitalized. There's probably,

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depending on the cohort, you know, up to 40% are

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asymptomatic. So not everybody even gets disease. Thankfully, a

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lot of people will eventually clear it, but I'm not. I'm not

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expecting to see too many inpatients with it.

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That's pretty reassuring. When should ER docs actually order

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stool testing? And does the traditional ONP exam reliably

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detect cyclospora?

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Another very complex question, and I'm sure a lot of the

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different society guidelines are, of course, going to vary on

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this. And there's a lot of nuance to these conversations.

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But I group it into two things, right? If someone's getting

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hospitalized, running all the tests to see kind of what we're

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what we're treating there, because obviously you're going

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to treat protozoans different from Shigella and Entech, and

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either norovirus or even community-acquired C diff or

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antibiotic-associated C diff, right? If they're that sick, I

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think running the the tests on them is very fair. And then if

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there's an ongoing outbreak in the community and you need it

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for public health purposes, or they think they have an

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exposure, someone in the house, someone in the school, someone

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at work, someone in the. Same unit has something that they

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want to know about. That seems very reasonable. I do think in

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the the modern era of PCR, we're we're over testing a little bit,

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but I think we may chat about that later.

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Yes, little preview there. Thanks. Yeah, yeah,

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no problem. I did try to study for this a little bit. And the

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the traditional OMPs to answer that question very directly are

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not going to detect this. They will detect a plethora of the

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different little parasites that'll sit there. But this one

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requires a modified acid fast stain, which at least based on

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our where we practice, our commercial sendout lab runs

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something called the Cyclospora smears. So it's a little easier

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to find, but it does have to be added in addition to the ONP,

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and some sites will probably vary on that. Yeah,

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can you see Giardia on a normal ONP? Okay.

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Yeah, you should be able to see that.

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We mentioned treatment a little bit, so from an antimicrobial

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stewardship standpoint, which patients with diarrhea should

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not receive empiric antibiotics.

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I also do sit on a couple of ASP committees, as one would

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imagine. So this is a question near and dear to my heart.

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Yes,

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right. The the vast majority of of non ambulatory and not

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traveling patients mostly just need supportive care, even if

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they have E. coli or or some other bacteria that was produced

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stateside or caught stateside, and since the vast majority of

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diarrheal illnesses over here are caused by viruses, then

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yeah, the antibiotics don't do anything productive for them,

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and and of course can lead to more diarrhea later or other

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side effects, or the C diff, which would definitely be a

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bounce back to the ER on that one. But yeah, I think that's

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the the majority of the answer there.

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And then, what is the first line therapy for cyclosporiosis? And

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then, how quickly should we expect these patients to improve

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once they've started it?

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So the first line is is going to be your time out there from

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sulfametoxazole, and probably continuing that between seven

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and 10 days, I didn't see any definitive, you know, answer as

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to whether we measure duration of therapy by the the standard

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calendar seven days or the number of fingers we have of 10

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days. But but that's the the best data we have right now for

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immunocompetent people. And yeah, a really important part of

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that question there is that how quickly should they improve?

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Because this is not a quick recovery. This is not, you know,

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let us know in a couple of days if you're not better. This this

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recovery can be protracted over days to weeks, and also has a

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pretty high chance of relapsing, even with appropriate treatment.

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So you ask about special populations, folks with AIDS.

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There's recommendations to continue them on Monday,

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Wednesday, Friday. Trimulfa, and they might already hit that

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wicket depending on what their CD4 count is, just for you know

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toxoplasmosis and other prophylaxis there PCP. But if if

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you can't use trimsulfa for some reason, either right earlier,

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late stage pregnancy, severe g6 PD, some sulfa allergy that we

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don't want to trial, then the nitozoxanide for a week is

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actually the next go-to, and that that should be safe in all

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of those populations. And I think many pharmacies carry it

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on. There's not a huge stock of it typically in a lot of

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pharmacies that I'm aware of.

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I was going to say I can't say I've ever prescribed that.

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It's not the most common, but I think most of the big hospitals

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will will keep one around or readily available within about a

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day or so to be able to pull it in. If you start getting into

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the alternatives, there's just a lot of drugs that don't work for

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it that we may start to move into this category. Like

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ciprofloxacin definitely has inferior outcomes. Azithromycin

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won't work for this. Metronidazole won't work for

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this, so that's why it's kind of important to start piecing out

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from the other things that we might, you know, accidentally

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treat it with if if it was going to be susceptible. But doesn't

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tend to fall into NAO's algorithms very cleanly,

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right? Yeah, like those are all like the kind of typical first

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line treatments for like traveler's diarrhea or like

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yeah, empiric treatment. It's definitely good to know, like

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that. It's a very specific therapy. So let's shift gears to

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military standpoint. So let's say this was a sailor or marine

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who is returning from deployment to CENTCOM or like Africom. How

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does the differential change?

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Yeah, I would say it would move your your pathogenic E. coli's

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way up the list. You know we've seen in the the Treaty one and

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two studies, which were done by military personnel. That's

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really what afflicts most of our travelers into these areas, and

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even into the Indo-Pacific or PACOM. I guess now it is.

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Anytime you're getting traveling, you know you got a

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lot of exposure to the other viruses. So I would move the E.

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coli's way up, the noroviruses, Astroviruses, Sappos way up as

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well, and in that case, you'd use the Empiric azithromycin is

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now the the first go to for traveler's diarrhea. Since we're

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seeing so much ciprofloxacin resistance worldwide, we've

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moved away from the from that as empiric. And then I would be

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certainly remiss in my job if I didn't mention that malaria can

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actually present as kind of a diarrheal predominant disease.

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Wow, it's not the most

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common, but if someone's presenting with fever and

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diarrhea after being in a malaria endemic area, I don't

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think any ID doc is going to fault anybody for throwing a

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thick and thin smear on for someone traveling. That's one

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thing I

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learned from Trop Med. It's always think about malaria.

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Yeah. If underway or deployed, and you know, say we don't have

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access to the GIPCR or you know any other advanced testing, what

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would be the recommendation for evaluation and management?

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Now this one gets really tough. I was trying to come up with my

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own little algorithm for for going back and forth on this,

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and you know we see so many different GI things occur in in

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our forward and deployed folks, and whether or not it's

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developing IBS or IBD or dietary intolerances, or they get an

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acute diarrhea and then they have any of those things,

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piecing that out without the diagnostics, I think, would be

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very tough, and and like we talked about before, there's you

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know the bacter or the trimethoprim sulfamethoxazole

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doesn't really fall into any regular treatment algorithms.

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You might get lucky with a cipro for something that's persistent,

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but if I was if I was forward and I had questions about this,

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thankfully, it's rare. But I'd probably reach out to the local

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pref med unit to see if they can test because they often have the

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GI PCRs or some other advanced antigen testing that they can

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send back and provide a little bit more testing than some of

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our forward MTFs could.

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If every military ER doc listening changed one

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thing about how they evaluate diarrheal illness after this

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episode. What would you want that to be?

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It's funny. I came up with my answer and then I went back

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almost on it because that's the easiest way to diagnose

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cyclospora. But I do have to say it. I I would decrease the

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amount of of multiplex stool PCR testing for someone in the

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outpatient setting, I think many of your listeners have given the

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call, and I've received the call often in bit of a conundrum.

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Right, the patient was moderately ill, but good enough

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to go home, and then some target pops up on this very these very

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nice panels that can detect almost anything, and they're

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very sensitive but not very specific because they catch a

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lot of colonizers, and then everybody's kind of stuck in the

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the what do you do with it? They're they're better, but

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they've got this result, and is it E. coli or something else?

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And I don't think oftentimes in that situation it actually

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improves clinical outcomes, or it might even just cause more

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patient anxiety, knowing you know they've got E. coli, right?

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That's a that's kind of a buzzword for patients, and they

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tend to be fairly costly, from my ID and public health minded

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self. If we're doing other things like the ONPs, we're

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doing cultures. We then can do more testing on the back end,

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and we can send it to public health and figure out exactly

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what's going on. But the PCR testing is is kind of a dead end

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for most of these things, right? We get that one answer. We don't

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have antimicrobial resistance. We don't know if it was a true

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pathogen, and now we kind of have to work ourselves backwards

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to actually take care of the patient. But of course, if

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they're getting admitted or we need a cyclosporine answer very

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quickly, I'm not saying they're not appropriate at all. But the

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question is, would I change that a little bit? I'd change that a

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little bit.

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Your little ID doc wish list over there. Well, Dr. Derek

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Larson, thank you so much for joining us today. And hopefully,

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the next time we talk, it won't have to be about explosive

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diarrhea.

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We'll see how it goes, but I'll be here if you need it.

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