May 16, 2025

Former Astrologer from The Occult Comes To Christ | Feat. Angela Scafidi

Former Astrologer from The Occult Comes To Christ | Feat. Angela Scafidi

In this powerful episode, Apostle Mike sits down with former astrologer Angela Scafidi for a raw and riveting testimony of freedom from New Age deception. Angela shares how her journey through astrology, reiki, yoga, and psychic practices nearly destroyed her—until she cried out to Jesus and experienced radical deliverance.

You’ll hear the full truth of her transformation and why the so-called "light" of New Age spirituality is really a counterfeit meant to keep people from the real power of the Holy Spirit. This isn’t just a story of healing—it's a call to repentance, discernment, and revival for a generation hungry for truth.

  • Why astrology, yoga, and New Age practices are more dangerous than they appear
  • How spiritual hunger can lead to deception—and how Jesus rescues
  • The demonic agenda behind counterfeit comfort
  • The power of surrender and full deliverance through Christ
  • How to pray for loved ones trapped in New Age practices

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Speaker A

Well, hey, I'm here with Angela Scafiti and I'm so excited to hear your story and get it out to so many more people.

Speaker A

Shout out to Everly, my 10 year old daughter who is officially your biggest fan and she's learned so much.

Speaker A

She's like glued to your live streams every time.

Speaker A

And as a dad, I'm just so privileged to have voices like yours speaking into her life already at this young age.

Speaker A

But I'd love for you to just to kind of share your story, your testimony, like what God has brought you through, because I believe that so many need to hear it.

Speaker A

And for those of you who are not new to my channel, you know, like these stories become a testimony.

Speaker A

God, do it again.

Speaker A

And so even just sharing your story yesterday at V1 Church, I mean there were so many people coming out of, you know, the same things that you struggled with.

Speaker A

And so I believe it's going to happen multiplied by tens of thousands in this stream.

Speaker A

So yeah, maybe just tell people a little bit about where you come from.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker B

Praise the Lord.

Speaker B

Well, first of all, thank you again for having me here, for having me speak at V1.

Speaker B

It's such an honor.

Speaker B

I was telling you before we were streaming and just the last couple days that me and my husband, we just admire you and your family so much.

Speaker B

So it's truly an honor.

Speaker B

Like, I feel, I feel like the Lord really trusts me to be connecting me with the people that he is and you're definitely one of them, so.

Speaker A

Oh, that's what it is.

Speaker A

Yeah, it is a trust.

Speaker A

Like what happens in the secret place is publicly acknowledged, you know, And I watched you and I just want to like, just say this.

Speaker A

I, I had the best seat in the house next to your husband Mike, who's like off camera here, which I love him and he was filming with his phone and I think Mike and Mike were just like standing off the, watching you.

Speaker A

But there were several times where, where like surges of power would just come through you and I would look at the crowd and just watch them respond to the anointing.

Speaker A

And so I really believe that God is just elevating you in this time and just putting that anointing behind your voice to get the message out to so many more people.

Speaker A

And just your ability yesterday to just, it was like you were throwing out these knives, just hitting right on the bullseye.

Speaker A

And I was watching people across all locations.

Speaker A

We're still getting testimony, so thank you.

Speaker A

For, for.

Speaker B

Yeah, well, thank God because I mean, like I said on your stage, Yesterday, I was having this moment the other night with the Lord where I was like, I can't believe this is my life.

Speaker B

I can't believe that I'm here.

Speaker B

I can't believe that I know all these people who are just so on fire for you.

Speaker B

And he was telling me, this is not your life.

Speaker B

This is my life, because this is my life through you.

Speaker B

Like, it's no longer me that live.

Speaker B

And that's.

Speaker B

That's the truth.

Speaker B

Because if it was still me who lived, it would be exactly where I was my whole life, which was depressed, anxious, suicidal.

Speaker B

Like, all of the things, the worst things.

Speaker B

My entire life, I was always bullied.

Speaker B

I was a single child.

Speaker B

I never really had a core group of friends.

Speaker B

I was always like, the weird little girl that no one liked.

Speaker B

Like, none of the boys ever liked me.

Speaker B

Like, all these sob stories and these spirits of rejection and abandonment, never having a dad.

Speaker B

Just all this stuff that the enemy used and continued to use throughout the years.

Speaker B

Suicides in my family, suicides in the children around me, even peers that I had, you know, the door opening to death with my own experience of self harm.

Speaker B

All of this compiling throughout the years that would ultimately lead to me being in the middle of the Ocean.

Speaker B

2014.

Speaker B

It's actually 10 years ago this August where we got the phone call on the boat that my grandmom died and was not supposed to happen.

Speaker B

If we knew she was sick or anything was wrong, we obviously wouldn't have gone on vacation.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

So.

Speaker B

So it was completely unexpected when that happened.

Speaker B

And she was like, my favorite person in the world because I did grow up with a single mom, and my mom always did the best she could with what she had, but she didn't have Jesus.

Speaker B

So it was all in her own strength.

Speaker B

And there was this very.

Speaker B

She had this this feminist kind of boss babe mindset, but she didn't call it that.

Speaker B

Then it's kind of like a millennial.

Speaker A

She's like a strong woman.

Speaker B

Right.

Speaker B

And so it was always like, pull herself up by the bootstraps.

Speaker B

This, like, feminist ideology.

Speaker B

You don't need no man.

Speaker B

So that also kind of got in when I was little.

Speaker B

But that being said, she needed my grandmom's help.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

So grandma was like a second mom in a lot of ways.

Speaker B

And I just.

Speaker B

I loved her.

Speaker B

I adored her.

Speaker B

But a lot of sin came in through my life, even with her influence, like gluttony and just disordered body image, those kinds of things, because she would kind of hide food from my mom that she would give me in private.

Speaker B

So like, even when I had these wonderful influences like my mom and my grandmom, I was still being fed worldly demonic things.

Speaker B

I just didn't know it.

Speaker B

But the enemy would use all of this later, which is what I'm getting to.

Speaker B

So when she died, it was like the icing on the cake for everything else that I was already struggling with, which was that incessant depression and anxiety and I just want to die.

Speaker B

I'm self harming and nothing's getting better.

Speaker B

So what I did, I was just desperate and I was broken and I was already desperate and broken.

Speaker B

Like I didn't need this on top of it all.

Speaker B

And I always believed in God, but it was sort of like, I don't know, he's just kind of there.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

I don't really know who he is or what he's doing or what his function is.

Speaker B

It's just like, okay, I guess there's a God.

Speaker B

I grew up very loosely Catholic, like extremely loose, like meeting never really went right.

Speaker B

I would.

Speaker B

Well, I went to Catholic school, but I was never taught the gospel, so.

Speaker B

Interesting.

Speaker A

Yeah, it sounds about right.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker B

And we would go to church or go to mass rather.

Speaker B

And it was just, I never.

Speaker B

There was never like that relationship.

Speaker B

I never heard anyone tell me, Jesus loves you or Jesus died for you.

Speaker B

It was just like, you know, you do this, you do that.

Speaker B

But so I knew God was there and I was mad at him.

Speaker B

When she died, I would write these suicidal soliloquies, like, I don't understand, like, God if you're there, like, I hate you, like stuff like that.

Speaker B

When she died, because I was so broken.

Speaker B

It's like, if there's a God, why would he take the one person who made me feel okay?

Speaker B

Because that's what she was to me.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

And I was just desperate and I.

Speaker B

I didn't know any better.

Speaker B

So I sought out a medium because I didn't think anything evil of it.

Speaker B

It's just normal.

Speaker B

I mean, think about how like desensitized everyone is to just spirituality in a lot of ways.

Speaker B

Like, you walk into Barnes and Noble and they have tarot books right on the entrance.

Speaker B

Find your horoscope.

Speaker B

The other night, I'm in an Uber and it had a screen.

Speaker B

Pick your zodiac sign, like read your horoscope on the way to your destination.

Speaker B

It's just like witchcraft is all around us and we' desensitized to it because it's so watered down in culture.

Speaker B

And that's exactly the same mindset.

Speaker B

I had.

Speaker B

It's just like, this is something to do because people do it.

Speaker B

I had watched Long Island Medium is super popular at the time.

Speaker B

And so I thought, well, maybe I should seek out a medium.

Speaker B

Maybe I can talk to my grandmom.

Speaker B

And that's what I did.

Speaker B

Sure enough, she knew things about me she had no business knowing.

Speaker B

She knew the necklace I had on under my turtleneck.

Speaker A

Wow.

Speaker A

She knew she was accurate.

Speaker B

She was so accurate.

Speaker B

She knew what my grandmom called me.

Speaker B

She knew what my grandma looked at.

Speaker B

Like.

Speaker B

And then she started telling me my grandma was there with me.

Speaker B

I pulled a card that said, we are so connected.

Speaker B

And that was like the door where I was like, she's here and I can talk to her.

Speaker B

I didn't know that was a familiar spirit.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

That had been on an assignment sent from the devil to just capitalize on this trauma and on this moment.

Speaker B

For me to come into agreement with that.

Speaker B

Probably just wanted to kill me too.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker A

And it was the sin of necromancy.

Speaker A

Biblically.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker A

Which we don't.

Speaker A

We don't call it that because we've normalized it so much.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

Like.

Speaker B

Like I said, It's a cute TV show.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

Like, it's like on 8 o' clock Tuesdays, Long Island Medium.

Speaker B

Just necromancy.

Speaker A

And it's so touching because it's like, oh, my grandma does love me.

Speaker A

And it's like, you people think, oh, this is compassionate.

Speaker A

And the psychic medium, it's.

Speaker A

Is coming to help.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker A

Because I think that's how the demonic operates.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker A

It's like people always think it's going to show up in the form of some satanic evil feeling things in a pitchfork.

Speaker A

Yes.

Speaker A

But it often is in the form of a counterfeit comfort.

Speaker A

It's an illusion.

Speaker A

He comes as an ang of light.

Speaker A

So that's really for you.

Speaker A

It was your.

Speaker A

The death of your grandmother that then you sought this out.

Speaker A

You're committing the sin of necromancy.

Speaker A

A familiar spirit's giving all this accurate information and kind of confirming something that really is a whole illusion.

Speaker A

And then you start going deeper into it.

Speaker B

Y.

Speaker B

That's what happened.

Speaker B

And I always say that 2nd Corinthians 11:14 verse is like the thesis of New Ageism.

Speaker A

Come on.

Speaker B

Because he does masquerade as an angel of light.

Speaker B

And all of New Age is about encompassing light and love.

Speaker B

Like, that's the language.

Speaker B

And it seems so innocent and it seems so innocuous and it seems so comforting, like you said.

Speaker B

And it really resonates.

Speaker B

And that's that's how the devil gets you.

Speaker B

People say, well, if this stuff was demonic, why are people doing it?

Speaker B

Well, because he gives you just enough truth to get you hooked on the lie.

Speaker B

That's just.

Speaker B

That's just what he does.

Speaker B

So that opened up the door for me to start seeking out my own psychic abilities.

Speaker B

I wanted to know how I could talk to her all the time, not use this medium, who, by the way, had a cross and said that she used the archangels.

Speaker B

So these people, I just want to make this clear.

Speaker B

Oftentimes they don't have bad intentions.

Speaker B

I never had bad intentions.

Speaker B

I know that medium didn't have bad intentions.

Speaker B

She wasn't like, I'm going to gather these people in a room so they can talk to the devil.

Speaker B

It's.

Speaker B

Yeah, because that's the nature of deception, is that you don't know you're deceived.

Speaker B

And I know that the Lord has a lot of grace for that.

Speaker B

Like, he knows that you have a pure heart.

Speaker B

And the devil knows, too, and that's why he's going to take advantage of it.

Speaker A

Come on.

Speaker A

So, so, so good.

Speaker B

Unfortunately, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Speaker B

So your intentions are completely irrelevant.

Speaker B

That's why the Word tells us that our hearts are deceitful and sick.

Speaker B

Desperately sick.

Speaker B

And we can't know it.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker A

So we can't know it.

Speaker B

We have to trust God and who he says he is and not allow the devil to give us this caricature of who he is based on our own understanding and our own flesh.

Speaker B

Because then what happens is you form a relationship with God, but it's not go.

Speaker B

It's a demon dressed up as who you want God to be, and then you become a medium.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

So that's what she was doing.

Speaker B

She didn't mean to, but the devil had deceived her, and I don't blame her for anything.

Speaker B

And I pray she gets saved.

Speaker A

But would she say she's a Christian, though?

Speaker B

I don't know Christian.

Speaker B

But she had pictures of archangels and she had angel cards.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

And she was.

Speaker B

She prayed us into the.

Speaker B

The kind of ceremony, like the seance.

Speaker A

Wow.

Speaker A

And the reason why I ask is because I have a friend, he's a renowned prophet, and he reached to me recently and he was like, hey, on your YouTube channel, can you address this concept of Christians who are involved in the new age Christians who are involved in psychic medium practices?

Speaker A

Because what's happening on his Instagram is they're all being attracted to the prophetic nature of his gifting and his DMS are being filled with people calling themselves Christians who are involved in psychic practices, and they're basically blending the two together.

Speaker A

And so.

Speaker A

And you're kind of saying, like, that was your initial.

Speaker A

It wasn't like, hey, we're going to explicitly utilize the devil for this information.

Speaker A

It was.

Speaker A

It came in the form of light and love, obviously a counterfeit.

Speaker A

I feel like that's increasing indeed.

Speaker B

Because when people hear the word witchcraft, they think of, like, this scary.

Speaker B

Like, I have a big hat.

Speaker B

We meet at midnight under the moon and, like, gather in a coven with salt around us.

Speaker B

Like, yeah, witchcraft.

Speaker B

It's like I said, literally on the uber screen, Pick your zodiac sign.

Speaker B

That's witchcraft.

Speaker B

Yeah, witchcraft is.

Speaker B

Is yoga even.

Speaker B

I mean, we can talk about that later if you want.

Speaker B

But it's.

Speaker B

And that's kind of where what my edge was.

Speaker B

It was never.

Speaker B

I would have never called myself a witch then with all the stuff that I was doing.

Speaker B

I would have just called myself a spiritualist.

Speaker B

I was that girl where it's like, I'm not religious.

Speaker B

I'm spiritual.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

You know, I thought that was, like, a cool thing to say.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

But you can't mix the two.

Speaker B

It's oil and water, and it's.

Speaker B

It's two kingdoms trying to make a kingdom of neutrality which doesn't exist.

Speaker B

It's the kingdom of light or the kingdom of dark.

Speaker B

If it's not of the kingdom of light.

Speaker B

I'm always saying, like, by process of elimination, if it's not the Holy Spirit, then what is it?

Speaker B

Yeah, because there's.

Speaker B

There's two.

Speaker A

Exactly.

Speaker A

It's like either the Holy Spirit or a demonic spirit.

Speaker A

There is no neutrality.

Speaker A

And so I'm.

Speaker A

Thank you for, like, just making that distinction because.

Speaker A

For as simple as this seems to me and you.

Speaker A

Because we're now casting demons out of people all the time and helping them get free.

Speaker A

I know that there's so many people watching right now that this.

Speaker A

That they're getting a revelation of this.

Speaker A

And I believe the Holy Spirit's even starting to expose to you some things in your own life so that you can get free.

Speaker A

Because when you hear conversations like this, those.

Speaker A

Those chills that you get all over your body is actually an acknowledgement.

Speaker A

Oh, no.

Speaker A

What I'm involved in is evil.

Speaker B

Right.

Speaker A

And I love your ministry so much because it's a ministry of exposure.

Speaker A

So true light exposes the false light.

Speaker B

Amen.

Speaker B

And the dark can't comprehend it.

Speaker A

That's.

Speaker A

And, yeah, exact.

Speaker A

Come on.

Speaker A

We're tag team preaching.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker A

So.

Speaker A

So, okay, so you're involved in this.

Speaker A

And so you never would call yourself a witch.

Speaker A

And so.

Speaker A

But let me ask the question to those of you watching right now, how many of you starting to that maybe you are a witch or a warlock and you've been involved in these things?

Speaker A

Because that's the first step.

Speaker A

And I love how you say the nature of deception is you don't know you're deceived.

Speaker B

It's not right.

Speaker B

Because I always want to make it clear it's not to condemn anybody.

Speaker A

Yes.

Speaker B

And I mean, even the word says that in John, that he didn't come to condemn the world, he came to save it because he loves us.

Speaker B

It's not about condemning anybody or shaming anybody.

Speaker B

It's about exposing it and letting you know what the truth is, because the truth is what sets you free.

Speaker B

That's what the word of God says.

Speaker B

And so when you expose these lies, when you have a revelation of truth, that's what makes you free.

Speaker B

And that's why Jesus came to set you free, to set the captives free and give you life more abundantly.

Speaker B

It's like he didn't just.

Speaker B

This is a revelation I had.

Speaker B

We're skipping way ahead, but a revelation I had within the last, like, year was, I think a lot of the time we preach about how you're a dirty, rotten sinner, you're no good, which is true.

Speaker B

Without God, you're not.

Speaker B

Without Jesus, you're not.

Speaker B

But it's like, why did he do that?

Speaker B

Well, the famous John 3:16 verse says, because he loves you.

Speaker B

So it's having an actual revelation of love.

Speaker B

And that everything I'm sharing today is not because I'm trying to call you out because I hate you, or I think you're wrong, or you're just evil and you're no good.

Speaker B

It's not that at all.

Speaker B

It's actually, none of us are any good without Jesus.

Speaker B

And he loves you so much that he wants you to have a revelation of this truth, that he is the only way.

Speaker B

And you don't need these other things to reach Him.

Speaker B

You just need him to give you his spirit.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

And then you reach the Father.

Speaker A

It's so good.

Speaker A

Well, and the root of this was grief.

Speaker B

Yes.

Speaker A

So, like, you were deeply grieving.

Speaker A

And that's why I don't think that people say, what demonic stuff can I do today?

Speaker A

I mean, they're coming, they're saying, like, I am in such a deep grief, I need comfort.

Speaker A

And so, like, one of my top viewed videos is 10 Things to Remove from your house.

Speaker A

And one of them was like, soul tie objects.

Speaker A

And I talked about, like, how in grief, people, they.

Speaker A

They hoard and harbor all these objects.

Speaker A

And the.

Speaker A

And every sing time they see those objects, it reinforces the grief.

Speaker A

And biblically, grief should be a season, not a cycle.

Speaker A

So we should mourn.

Speaker A

There's a season of mourning.

Speaker A

Like when your grandmother died.

Speaker A

Like, the most appropriate thing to do is mourn, lament.

Speaker A

But that should be a season, not a cycle.

Speaker A

When Moses died, it was like, yes, all of Israel is going to go into a time of mourning.

Speaker A

But then Joshua said, all right, everybody, wash your face.

Speaker A

Now we've.

Speaker A

We've cried, we've mourned.

Speaker A

Wash your face for tomorrow.

Speaker A

We go in and you talked about not having a father.

Speaker A

And I think oftentimes there are, like, these strong male figures that God will put in our life, like a Joshua who will say, you know what?

Speaker A

We mourn for a season.

Speaker A

But, daughter, wash your face for tomorrow.

Speaker A

We go in and give you that confidence.

Speaker A

Be like, okay, let's go into the next season.

Speaker A

But what the devil does is he takes what should be a season and makes it a cycle.

Speaker A

Yeah, And I think I see you kind of going deeper and deeper and deeper into that.

Speaker A

So then what happens next?

Speaker B

Well, that.

Speaker B

The way you're describing it as a cycle is perfect because I always refer to new age as a hamster wheel because it's like the same thing over and over.

Speaker B

It just looks different every time.

Speaker A

Wow.

Speaker A

Okay.

Speaker B

Right.

Speaker B

So I.

Speaker B

After the cards.

Speaker B

And this is all like a domino effect.

Speaker B

Yeah, yeah, it's all a domino effect because the medium led to the cards, it led to crystals, because you just want more.

Speaker B

It's like a spiritual narcotic.

Speaker B

You just need more and more and more.

Speaker B

So I go to the crystals, I need all their properties to heal me to.

Speaker B

And then that led to not only wanting to connect with grandma, but it's like, oh, all these crystals do all these other things.

Speaker B

Now I can attract abundance.

Speaker B

Now I can attract love.

Speaker B

Now I can attract confidence.

Speaker B

So now it's like, okay, we've gone from necromancy to, like, true divination.

Speaker B

Like, I'm trying to manifest things in my own life for my own self, and.

Speaker B

And essentially spell casting, like, with the crystals.

Speaker B

And before you know it, this little table that I had of crystals became like an altar of, like, thousands of dollars worth of crystals over the years that I kept right at my bed.

Speaker B

It's like I had the demonic Portal right next to my bed every night.

Speaker B

So.

Speaker B

But the crystals ultimately led to yoga because through the crystals I started to learn about like the chakra system and, you know, all these, this New age stuff.

Speaker B

So I always like to make it clear that when I say new age, it's an umbrella term because new age is not new at all.

Speaker B

It actually goes back to the garden.

Speaker B

Truly, like, the first sin was new age.

Speaker B

It's not what it was called, but it was New age because what did he do?

Speaker B

What did the serpent do?

Speaker B

He said, you can be as the gods.

Speaker B

He offered that to Eve, to Adam and Eve, and she accepted.

Speaker B

And that's what you're doing in New Age.

Speaker B

You're trying to achieve that godlike status.

Speaker B

You're becoming your own God and then you're communing with, with gods of divination.

Speaker B

And so with New Age, it's like Hindu philosophy, Buddhist philosophy, and it's not again ever to hate or condemn.

Speaker B

It's just objectively what it is.

Speaker B

So, yeah, it's the umbrella term with all the chakra stuff that did lead to yoga because that is all Hindu beliefs.

Speaker A

Yeah, exactly.

Speaker B

And then at the same time, as I mentioned, my grandmom had led me kind of of unknowingly when she was doing this, led me down a lot of like gluttonous paths.

Speaker B

I had an eating disorder that at first was just completely like, I was like really obese at age 20.

Speaker B

Like I couldn't even walk up the stairs.

Speaker B

Like, I was so out of breath.

Speaker B

Yeah, I was so overweight.

Speaker B

I wore the same thing every day.

Speaker B

I was like always sweaty.

Speaker B

I just, I hated myself so much.

Speaker B

And when she died, a part of why her life ended kind of prematurely was because of her health.

Speaker B

And so I kind of wanted to take control of my own health.

Speaker B

And this is before I was saved.

Speaker B

And I was like, I'm going to do it.

Speaker B

And I had this like self savior complex.

Speaker B

Like, oh, this is it.

Speaker B

I'm going to redeem my grandmom's death through what I can do with my life now.

Speaker B

So I got healthy.

Speaker B

You're speaking healthy.

Speaker B

And I say that because, yeah, I lost weight and I got healthy, like on the outward, but I was not inside, I was not healed.

Speaker B

And I mean, I sacrificed a lot throughout my 20s because of this eating disorder where I would not go out with people, I would not go out with, with who's now my husband.

Speaker B

I want to go out with him, like to even eat a burger.

Speaker B

Like, I wouldn't do anything and no matter how much weight I lost, I never loved myself and I was never healed.

Speaker B

So you see, I was trying in the physical and in the spiritual to heal because I had this, like, new, healthy lifestyle and I was reading all the self help books.

Speaker B

And then this is in tandem with, like, when yoga was introduced into my life, because it was the best of both worlds.

Speaker B

It was like a physical practice, but it was also a spiritual practice because it is both.

Speaker B

Both?

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

I don't know.

Speaker B

Someone needs to hear that it's both.

Speaker A

I know.

Speaker A

I felt stretching so deeply.

Speaker A

Please emphasize that a little bit.

Speaker B

Yeah, I mean, I have.

Speaker B

I have a lot of content.

Speaker B

Yoga is like a whole thing.

Speaker B

I have a lot of stuff on this.

Speaker B

But it's not just stretching.

Speaker B

It is by design, by definition.

Speaker B

It's historical context.

Speaker B

It's curation.

Speaker B

It is intrinsically a spiritual practice, and it is divination.

Speaker B

You're creating a demonic altar with your body.

Speaker B

Like, you're putting.

Speaker B

It's one thing people like to use First Corinthians 8, right.

Speaker B

Where it's, oh, if it's meat sacrifice idols, it's okay.

Speaker B

It's a matter of conscious.

Speaker B

But it's.

Speaker B

First of all, that's about food.

Speaker B

Completely different.

Speaker B

You're literally using your body as a sacrifice.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

It's not just food that you're eating.

Speaker B

It's.

Speaker B

You're putting yourself on the altar of worship for these pagan deities.

Speaker B

And that's exactly what yoga is.

Speaker B

No matter what your intentions are, because exactly what we were saying before, your intentions are irrelevant.

Speaker B

It is a pagan practice.

Speaker B

And even God himself says.

Speaker B

Because a lot of people will like to say as Christians, well, you know, I read the Bible, I pray, I listen to worship.

Speaker B

When I do yoga, even God himself says, don't worship me the way that the pagans worship their gods.

Speaker B

So right then and there, like, the whole argument just falls apart.

Speaker B

Because even God himself says, even if this were okay, which it's not, I don't want you to do it, because I don't want to be worshiped the way they worship their gods.

Speaker A

I'm just gonna say this has been the hardest podcast ever, because I want to shout you down the entire time.

Speaker A

And I just hear Evan telling me, you ruined all the audio by shouting her down.

Speaker A

Because you're.

Speaker A

I feel like.

Speaker A

Because I live in New York City where yoga is ubiquitous.

Speaker B

Yes.

Speaker A

At the same time, you have the influencer culture that really emphasize physical fitness.

Speaker A

Then you have the spiritual aspect where people are looking into the new age.

Speaker A

And I.

Speaker A

I think, yeah, the bridge between both of those really is yoga.

Speaker A

And so many people are getting entrapped and ensnared it.

Speaker A

But they even Christians not understanding that, like, you know, the.

Speaker A

The B says or the Bible says that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit.

Speaker A

And so isn't it just like the devil to say, well, let me take the Holy Spirit's temple and desecrate it with these actions.

Speaker B

Amen.

Speaker A

And it's so funny because talk to anybody who came out of Hinduism about yoga and they'll tell you explicitly what you're saying.

Speaker A

It's just sometimes Christians.

Speaker A

You know what I think it is too, and this is my own rant, and then I'd love for you to go a little bit deeper on this is that I think what a lot of Christians are trying to do is counterbalance all the time.

Speaker A

Oh, I don't want the world to think that I'm too hyper charismatic.

Speaker A

And in our attempt to appear more intellectual, we're actually more deceived.

Speaker B

Yes.

Speaker A

It's like what we're trying to do is send a signal.

Speaker A

No, I'm just like you.

Speaker A

And what we need to be saying is, I'm not like you.

Speaker A

I'm in the world, but not of the world.

Speaker B

You know, God calls us peculiar and tells us to be set apart.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker A

We lose our saltiness.

Speaker A

We stop being salt when we come the same flavor.

Speaker A

It's like.

Speaker A

So that's why I said it was so hard for me not to shout you down because you're speaking and I.

Speaker A

I have lost so many church members because of our stance on yoga.

Speaker B

And isn't that interesting?

Speaker B

Because if it was really just stretching, why does it bother you so much?

Speaker B

It's almost like there's a spiritual component to it that's tethering you to the practice.

Speaker B

It's so weird.

Speaker B

It's.

Speaker B

It's the craziest thing.

Speaker A

You must know Jehovah Sassy.

Speaker A

Yeah, sometimes I.

Speaker A

I call God Jehovah Sassy because, you know those little ye.

Speaker A

Little revelations of like.

Speaker A

Yeah, you're right.

Speaker A

Like, if it was just about stretching, why would you leave a church over here?

Speaker B

Up over dumbbells like that?

Speaker A

Yes.

Speaker A

So it's like.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker A

Or could it be you're not getting mad about it, but the spirits inside of you are?

Speaker B

And that's exactly what it is.

Speaker B

Like, it's a manifestation.

Speaker B

And I used to be one of those people.

Speaker B

Which we'll get there eventually.

Speaker B

I think.

Speaker A

This might just be a part one, Let me tell you.

Speaker B

I was doing yoga and it's exactly what you said.

Speaker B

It was the best of both worlds for me.

Speaker B

I got hooked on it immediately because it was giving me, I was seeing the physical.

Speaker B

Like I was, I was like toning up and it was giving me that, that carnal satisfaction of like, wow, I look great.

Speaker B

Even though I still hated myself.

Speaker B

Which the topic of like my eating disorder is a whole other thing.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

And body dysmorphia and how demonic that is, that there was a literal demon that was caused like seeing through my eyes in the mirror, still seeing like a 300 pound girl when I was actually underweight.

Speaker B

Eating disorders are demonic.

Speaker A

But yeah.

Speaker B

Another thing.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker B

I decided I wanted to become a yoga teacher because yoga was helping me so much.

Speaker B

And when I say helping, I want to make it clear that these things work and that's why they're dangerous and that's why God has rules against them because they do work.

Speaker B

It's not like we're saying, oh, yoga is not really spiritual.

Speaker B

Oh, astrology doesn't actually prophesy, oh, the crystals don't really have any power.

Speaker B

And like the problem is they do.

Speaker B

And it's not the power of the Holy Spirit, it's coming from a demonic source.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

So the yoga was working in so much as that it was a band aid on a gunshot wound.

Speaker B

Every day.

Speaker B

I needed it, like I said, a spiritual narcotic.

Speaker B

I needed it.

Speaker B

I needed to wake up, do my yoga for an hour with the crystals.

Speaker B

That whatever I wanted for that day, the kind of feeling I wanted, crystals surrounding me, the, the music on, like the, the incense, like all these things.

Speaker B

And if I missed even one day, I was a mess, which in and of itself should speak.

Speaker B

But I wanted to be a yoga teacher because I wanted to help people.

Speaker B

And that quickly became a way for my ego to just completely burst because people loved my yoga teachings.

Speaker B

They said that the way I could put the flow together was always so perfect.

Speaker B

It always helped them release so much trauma and XYZ and the way that, that I could speak.

Speaker B

They loved how I could speak.

Speaker B

I didn't even have to go through the moves.

Speaker B

I could just tell them what to do with their bodies.

Speaker B

And it's like literally witchcraft over these people, telling them, wow.

Speaker B

Telling them what poses and, and the flows to get into and have them actually worship these gods without even realizing it's because the spirits were operating through me.

Speaker B

The spirits were dictating what they wanted them to do so that they could have access as well.

Speaker B

And the yoga led to, you know, I was still Even though I was doing all this and it worked, worked, I was still had this like deep seated, just grief and sorrow.

Speaker B

And I didn't understand why because now, and this is like fast forwarding a couple years in now I'm finally, I finally look the way I want.

Speaker B

Now everyone wants me.

Speaker B

Like, I'm not that like little girl that's tubby and no one likes her anymore.

Speaker B

It's like now I'm like this woman that everyone wants and never anyone good.

Speaker B

It was all like the demons in them, one of the demons in me sort of thing.

Speaker A

Wow, that'll preach.

Speaker B

Yeah, it was, it was really demonic.

Speaker B

The men that I was involved with and the relationships that I had.

Speaker B

I use the term loosely.

Speaker B

But I couldn't understand why I was doing all the things.

Speaker B

I was reading all the self help books.

Speaker B

I was, I was trying to like manifest all this abundant wealth and all these things.

Speaker B

And I was a yoga teacher now.

Speaker B

And I had my rituals, I had my crystals, I had this, I had that.

Speaker B

Why, why, why, why, why?

Speaker B

It must be something else I need.

Speaker B

And this is what new age does.

Speaker B

It's always like, because you're drinking from all these empty wells and so you just, you're still thirsty because you're really looking for the living water, but you don't know that.

Speaker B

So it's like, okay, well I'm still thirsty.

Speaker B

Where can I go now?

Speaker B

What's next?

Speaker B

And so I'm up in bed one night Googling.

Speaker B

And this is where Isaiah always laughs at me when I tell them this part of my testimony.

Speaker B

I'm Googling, like, why am I so depressed?

Speaker B

Why do I feel this?

Speaker B

And I find this stuff about you're a starseed.

Speaker B

I'm like, what's that?

Speaker B

So basically the starseed gospel is that I incarnated from on earth from another planet, that I'm essentially an alien for lack of a better term.

Speaker B

And this is Isaiah's like, I'm just picturing you like flying in on your spaceship and crash landing in a.

Speaker B

But yeah, like, so I'm reading this and this is.

Speaker B

I mean it sounds ridiculous.

Speaker B

That's why you laugh at it.

Speaker B

But you have to understand how desperate I was to actually be like, wow.

Speaker A

And you're years and years and years into.

Speaker B

I'm an adult.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

Like I'm in my mid-20s.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

Reading that I'm from.

Speaker B

I'm a spirit from another planet that is incarnated on Earth.

Speaker B

Why it's so interesting too.

Speaker B

Oh, because we all have come here to actually ascend the Collective, essentially.

Speaker B

We are here to save.

Speaker B

Save the planet.

Speaker B

We're here to save humanity.

Speaker B

Like, who's the savior of humanity?

Speaker A

Right?

Speaker B

So it's.

Speaker B

It's like a counterfeit gospel where you're the savior and you're the martyr.

Speaker B

You're the one that's come here to endure all this suffering because you actually are on an assignment to save the world, to ascend the world from 3D vibration to 5D vibration.

Speaker B

And so it gave me the sense of purpose where.

Speaker B

Okay, the reason I feel like this is actually because I'm homesick for the ninth dimension.

Speaker B

Yeah, it sounds ridiculous.

Speaker B

This is how sad I was.

Speaker B

This is how deceived I was, where this is actually what made sense to me at the time.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker B

And so I start resonating with this.

Speaker B

And now this is kind of where my stuff and my beliefs and ideologies kind of started to shift from just, like, the things around me, like the pretty crystals and the yoga and the cards, to now, like, the esoteric realms and kind of space in the cosmos.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

And that's what led me to astrology, ultimately, which was like, my thing.

Speaker B

I loved astrology because it gave an answer for everything that I was dealing with throughout my.

Speaker B

Literally my entire life.

Speaker B

You could track your birth chart from the second.

Speaker B

It's a birth chart from the second you were born to right now to the day that you die.

Speaker B

You can see all of it.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

And it made sense.

Speaker B

Oh, this is why I am prone to lust.

Speaker B

This is why I have anxiety.

Speaker B

This is why these patterns in my life happen the way they do.

Speaker B

This is why this.

Speaker B

This is why that.

Speaker B

And so astrology is very, very dangerous for many reasons, not only for the demonic aspect of it, because it actually justifies your sin nature, and it makes you accept it as an integrated.

Speaker B

As just who you are and something you need to work through, you are responsible for.

Speaker B

And it makes it cutesy.

Speaker B

Like, oh, I'm just.

Speaker B

I'm so angry because I'm in Aries or whatever.

Speaker B

Like, that's, you know, like.

Speaker B

And it's.

Speaker B

It's a spirit of rage, but it's also like, you know, the Lord says, like, be sinful, but.

Speaker B

Or be angry, but do not sin.

Speaker B

But then when you're angry and you sin, it's like, well, I just had an Aries outburst.

Speaker A

So you're justifying.

Speaker B

You justify it.

Speaker A

No, did you hear that?

Speaker A

Like, in Rockefeller center in New York City last Christmas, the entire Christmas display was the Virgo.

Speaker A

It's like, yeah, here's your astrological Sign.

Speaker A

And.

Speaker A

But it also goes to show you, it's like, hey, we don't want to.

Speaker A

We don't want to make Christmas about Christ.

Speaker B

Right?

Speaker A

So it's like.

Speaker A

And we got to make sure that it's.

Speaker A

And I think the scary part about, like, astrology is that it's being embraced as, like, pluralistic.

Speaker A

And now this is.

Speaker A

This is diversity.

Speaker A

Like, the umbrella we can all be under isn't Christianity in America anymore, but it is our sign.

Speaker A

And there's.

Speaker A

You know what I mean?

Speaker A

And so, like, I remember just because every year I take my family for, you know, Christmas celebrations and, you know, we kind of walk around Manhattan and we do that thing.

Speaker A

And it was just like, I get the holiday theme minus Christ, because that's been true for many, many years in this country.

Speaker A

But I think when they took it to, like, oh, so now it's going to be spir.

Speaker A

But not religious.

Speaker A

And they think that that's the most acceptable thing because.

Speaker A

Oh, that's the least offensive thing is we all.

Speaker A

Yeah, we all have a zodiac, you know, someplace on that wheel.

Speaker A

And so this now becomes the new umbrella.

Speaker A

And I told my kids, like, that's where we are in society.

Speaker A

And I think there's many Christians watching right now who still don't think that's wrong.

Speaker A

I know you gave an example of, like, justifying sin nature, but is there anything else you could say to the.

Speaker A

Those who, you know, because even when you're in the dating scene, the first question is, what's your sign?

Speaker A

You know, and so it's so common, so ubiquitous, and we do deliverances almost every week on people who suddenly realize this is demonic and they get free.

Speaker A

But could you maybe help them understand since especially you were so deep in it?

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker B

Well, there's even a testimony there, too, with the astrology, because, I mean, like I said, that was my niche, but my astrology.

Speaker B

So the man sitting here who's now my husband, just our birth charts and our astrology is absolutely as incompatible as you can possibly imagine.

Speaker B

That used to mess with me so bad because we had been.

Speaker B

I mean, those that know my testimony, we had been together basically since we were 14, on and off.

Speaker B

And I'm struggling with all this sin behind the scenes and like, this.

Speaker B

This, like, lustful inclination for other men and just, like, unfaithfulness and just all this really demonic, sinful stuff.

Speaker B

Praise God for forgiveness.

Speaker A

Amen.

Speaker B

All the.

Speaker B

All of the men that I would come into contact with, their astrology was like a perfect match.

Speaker B

Absolutely perfect.

Speaker B

Like the.

Speaker B

When you would break down the charts.

Speaker B

It was like written in the stars, star crossed lovers kind of thing.

Speaker B

And then when I would match my astrology with my husband, my now husband, it was like train wreck, recipe for disaster.

Speaker B

And so the thing with this is, you have to understand when you read these things, things, and you're like, oh, no, like you, you come into agreement with it.

Speaker B

See, Jesus always makes a contingency on faith.

Speaker B

We are saved by grace through faith.

Speaker B

When he heals people, when he casts out demons, he doesn't say, like when they, when they thank him, he doesn't say, oh, you're, you're welcome.

Speaker B

I'm, you know, I'm the son of God.

Speaker B

He says, your faith has healed you.

Speaker B

Your faith has.

Speaker B

There's a contingency on faith in the spirit realm.

Speaker B

And the devil has to operate under God's rule and his order.

Speaker B

So faith, faith in your astrology, in your, whatever your horoscope says and whatever your birth chart says, you come into agreement with this.

Speaker B

And now that gives the devil a legal right for these things to actually come to pass.

Speaker B

Because God is just so he will honor your decision.

Speaker B

He will honor where your faith is.

Speaker B

And so the devil can say, well, he can petition God just like he did Job.

Speaker B

Well, you see, this is where they're at.

Speaker B

So, and God's like, okay, when I.

Speaker A

Think about the scripture, choose you this day, blessing or cursing.

Speaker B

Amen.

Speaker A

You know, and curses.

Speaker A

And people don't, don't, don't understand.

Speaker A

This is visitation visited on our life from God, not from the devil, because he's just.

Speaker A

And so then Christ comes in, you know, Galatians says he, he hangs on a tree to deliver us from the curse.

Speaker A

Yes, but a curse is a result of our own sin.

Speaker A

Yeah, and people don't understand that.

Speaker A

You know, they think, oh, the devil goes around cursing people.

Speaker A

It's like, no, God is enforcing his justice with a curse.

Speaker A

That's the Old Testament says that goes to the third and fourth generation.

Speaker A

But then Jesus came to free us from the curse.

Speaker A

And so I think legal right through the power of agreement is so important for people to understand because they're putting faith in what astrology says.

Speaker A

But as soon as they do that, and I think about Romans chapter 10, verse 9, that says, Confess with your mouth, believe in your heart.

Speaker A

So belief is the faith component and confession is the covenant component.

Speaker A

And so what is astrology?

Speaker A

You're speaking with your mouth, confessing.

Speaker A

And as you're saying, oh, I'm this, the identity is secured.

Speaker A

So it's like, you know, that's why words mattered.

Speaker A

You know, I.

Speaker A

I used to teach back in the day, and it's like, even in Shakespearean times, you know, the Elizabethan English, they would not do a wedding ceremony in a.

Speaker A

In a play because it was believed if you said the.

Speaker A

The words, you were married.

Speaker A

Because, like, historically, they understood the power of words.

Speaker A

So when you read a Shakespeare play, they will only allude to a wedding ceremony.

Speaker A

They'll never show it it, because they just believed if a man and a woman stand there and say these words to each other, the words are the covenant.

Speaker B

I mean, like.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker A

And so I think, like, it's so funny because now we just use our words so flippantly.

Speaker A

You know, we're just talking.

Speaker A

You know, we're always saying stuff and.

Speaker A

But we don't.

Speaker A

We need to bring back a historic understanding of the power of words.

Speaker A

And I think what you're saying with astrology is like, you're coming into covenant.

Speaker A

You're letting them declare words over you.

Speaker A

And then demons are just like, yeah, yes.

Speaker A

You basically married into this thing, and we have legal right to you now.

Speaker B

And if I had believed all of that astrology, I mean, I believed it, but if I had pursued it, we wouldn't be together.

Speaker B

We wouldn't be married.

Speaker B

He wouldn't be born again because he got born again right before we got married, and we wouldn't have a daughter.

Speaker A

Wow.

Speaker B

So you see, it's like the devil wanted me to go down this really destructive path.

Speaker B

And that's exactly what astrology is.

Speaker B

It is demonic prophecy being spoken over your life.

Speaker B

And it's.

Speaker B

The devil counterfeits everything.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

So he doesn't create.

Speaker B

So whatever God's plan for your life is, God's will for your life is the devil wants to just take that and pervert it and steal, kill, and destroy it.

Speaker B

Because Jesus came for an abundant life, for you to have an abundant life, and the devil wants to take that.

Speaker B

And so it's like with everything New Age, there is a demonic counterfeit.

Speaker B

I'm sorry, There is a demonic, demonic, godly, authentic for every demonic counterfeit of New Age.

Speaker A

Wow.

Speaker B

And so it would be prophecy.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

That is.

Speaker B

Astrology is the demonic counterfeit.

Speaker B

And then we have, like, Reiki, which is something else that I was doing.

Speaker B

It's a demonic laying of hands.

Speaker B

Because when you lay hands on someone with Reiki, it's source energy, universal source energy.

Speaker B

Like, what is that?

Speaker B

But you don't have the Holy Spirit, so you're just channeling this Universal energy.

Speaker B

It's completely demonic.

Speaker B

And then you're facilitating that into somebody else.

Speaker B

So you're not healing them with the Holy Spirit.

Speaker B

You're actually giving them more demons through the Reiki practice.

Speaker B

Because it says in Matthew, the spirit will go out and then come back.

Speaker B

And that's exactly what Reiki is doing.

Speaker B

The spirit goes out and then comes back with seven more evil because you feel better for a minute.

Speaker B

But then the demon sees the house swept and clean and comes back with seven more, more worse.

Speaker B

And that's everything with New Age.

Speaker B

So the astrology was my thing.

Speaker B

And this is like, you know, we're at.

Speaker B

At this point, almost rounding salvation, because the last, like, three years of my demonic walk was really entrenched in astrology.

Speaker B

I was, like, branding myself with my zodiac sign.

Speaker B

I was, wow.

Speaker B

I was totally obsessed with it.

Speaker B

I wanted.

Speaker B

I was telling you earlier, breakfast.

Speaker B

I wanted, like, a whole astrology sleeve.

Speaker B

I wanted my birth chart all over me.

Speaker B

I wanted moons all over me.

Speaker B

And I started this podcast called Moon and Back where I was.

Speaker B

I would give new moon and full moon reports every two weeks of here's what's going on in the stars.

Speaker B

Here's what's going on in the cosmos with these planets.

Speaker B

This is why you feel this way.

Speaker B

Here's a good time for you to cultivate xyz.

Speaker B

With the new moon, it was always about setting intentions and, you know, manifestation, law of attraction, witchcraft stuff.

Speaker B

And then with the full moon, it was always about releasing what no longer serves you, which is, like, so convenient, the flow of things, because it's like, what?

Speaker B

Well, if you're really struggling those first two weeks, well, then you can just release it.

Speaker B

And then if you struggle the next two weeks after the release, well, that's okay, because now you have a chance to renew the cycle and set new intentions.

Speaker B

So it's always a justification for suffering, like, constantly with every single thing that you're doing in New Age.

Speaker B

And that's why I say it's a hamster wheel, because you're never healing.

Speaker B

It's just like this pseudo salvation, this pseudo healing.

Speaker B

And that revelation I had recently about how it truly all goes back to the garden, because when she took that forbidden fruit, it was like it was the knowledge of good and evil.

Speaker B

So it was like this promise, like, you can be like gods, and it's like spiritual life.

Speaker B

Like, you can know all this stuff.

Speaker B

You can have all these things.

Speaker B

And God said if you do this, it will kill you.

Speaker B

You will surely die.

Speaker B

Not just die, you will surely die if you do this.

Speaker B

And she did it anyway.

Speaker B

And so what happens now is we all know in our soul that our spirit is dead.

Speaker B

Like, we know that.

Speaker B

And so we're constantly searching in this life to be spiritually reconciled to back to God, to get that spiritual life back.

Speaker B

And we.

Speaker B

We can't put a finger on what exactly that means.

Speaker B

So some people get with drugs and sex and, and alcohol and like worldly things, fame and money.

Speaker B

And then other people, like I was.

Speaker B

It's, it's, it's.

Speaker B

You actually lean into the spiritual component.

Speaker B

But with New Age, it's.

Speaker B

You keep trying to find spiritual life in the very thing that God said would bring you spiritual death, the promise of God, of being your own God.

Speaker B

And you get stuck in this cycle, this vicious cycle of constantly trying to bring yourself salvation, constantly trying to bring yourself life through the modality of spiritual death.

Speaker B

And it doesn't work.

Speaker B

And that's why all these, these doctrines in New Age, like enlightenment and, and reincarnation and karma and like, all these things, how you can ascend your higher self, it's all a counterfeit gospel.

Speaker B

It's all a counterfeit being born again.

Speaker B

Because we know that we need to be born again deep in our soul.

Speaker B

We all know it.

Speaker B

We're all creation.

Speaker B

He's the creator.

Speaker B

We know that.

Speaker B

We know we have to be born again.

Speaker B

So the Devil says you can do it this way.

Speaker B

Like, you can just attune to your higher self, a higher frequency.

Speaker B

You can do this and do that, reach enlightenment.

Speaker B

He tries to give us all these ways, but it's that same forbidden fruit.

Speaker B

It's spiritual death.

Speaker B

And you keep trying to do it.

Speaker B

You keep trying to find all these different ways, all these different avenues, and you keep feeling dead inside, no matter what.

Speaker B

And it's because you're not actually resurrecting.

Speaker B

You're still dead.

Speaker B

Like, you're still dead the whole time.

Speaker B

It's just all counterfeit salvation.

Speaker B

It's all pseudo healing.

Speaker B

And what happened for me was I started to find stuff like this.

Speaker B

Like, it would just come up on my Instagram and I don't even know why, just randomly.

Speaker B

Oh, yoga's demonic.

Speaker B

And I'd be like, well, that's ridiculous.

Speaker B

Like, that's the dumbest thing I've ever seen in my life.

Speaker A

Yeah, because it's helping you, right?

Speaker A

Helping you.

Speaker B

It's helping me.

Speaker B

And I think that I love it.

Speaker B

And it's my life.

Speaker B

I mean, I'm teaching it.

Speaker B

It's what I wanted my career to be, was Like a yoga teacher, a tarot reader, a Reiki practitioner.

Speaker B

I wanted that to be.

Speaker B

My whole existence was just like this spiritual guru.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

And, and this teacher.

Speaker B

Because like I said, I had that podcast and I was trying to promote self healing.

Speaker B

I used to say we're all walking each other home on the self healing journey.

Speaker B

And home was ultimately source.

Speaker B

It's God.

Speaker B

So people in New Age have this, have this idea that they're actually doing God's work and they're just simply not.

Speaker B

And it's so evil.

Speaker B

Like the devil, you know, he, he's not.

Speaker B

God's not partial.

Speaker B

Neither is the devil.

Speaker B

Like he doesn't care.

Speaker B

He doesn't care what your worship to him looks like, just as long as it is not authentic worship of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Speaker B

Yeah, he doesn't care.

Speaker B

That's why he messes with Christians so much.

Speaker B

Because if you have one foot in the kingdom of darkness, then you actually have no feet in the kingdom of light at all.

Speaker B

So he doesn't care.

Speaker A

So good.

Speaker B

He doesn't care.

Speaker B

If you go to church Sunday morning and you worship and you pray, the demons don't care.

Speaker B

If you go to your yoga class Monday night, that's perfectly fine.

Speaker B

And that's not to say like, like you're not saved, but you're in bondage.

Speaker B

Like you're absolutely in bondage.

Speaker B

And you're being tormented.

Speaker B

And there's, there's things about these, these agreements that you have and these spirits that are influencing you that is keeping you from the totality of freedom Jesus died for you to have.

Speaker B

Because it's not just a sin issue.

Speaker B

It's a matter of literally spiritual life or spiritual death, like you keep saying.

Speaker B

And so if you're not, if you're not really walking in that fullness of spiritual life life, then you have an inability to really share the gospel.

Speaker B

And what's worse is you don't have the light that Jesus had.

Speaker B

So when you walk into a room and people don't see Jesus on you.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

I mean, that's what they should see.

Speaker B

But if you're doing all these other things and this is what the devil's really, it's not like a salvation thing.

Speaker B

It's a matter of who else can he keep from Jesus through you?

Speaker B

Because if you're a Christian, he doesn't, he doesn't care about the identity of Christian.

Speaker B

He cares about the image bearing of Christ.

Speaker B

That's what he's after.

Speaker B

And so he's after your faith and he's after your demonstration so if he can keep you in bondage with all these other things, that's all he's interested in doing.

Speaker B

Because then it's like population control for all the unsaved people.

Speaker B

He can keep them there.

Speaker B

He can keep them out of the kingdom.

Speaker B

If he can convince you to flirt with his kingdom.

Speaker A

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker B

So.

Speaker A

Oh, this is so rich.

Speaker A

You know what?

Speaker A

Okay.

Speaker A

No, because I'm telling you, you.

Speaker A

I know we're about to pray towards the end of this, and I believe that you're going to lead so many people to Christ and.

Speaker A

Because I could just feel it surging right now.

Speaker A

And there's.

Speaker A

The more you talk, there are people watching right now who are actually thinking to themselves, what must I do?

Speaker A

Like, how do I get saved?

Speaker A

How do I go all the way in?

Speaker A

But I kept having this vision.

Speaker A

I never thought about this before.

Speaker A

So you said the first time, the first sin was New Age.

Speaker B

It was divination.

Speaker A

Divination.

Speaker A

You are God.

Speaker A

You are.

Speaker A

You will be like God.

Speaker A

You can know what he knows, the knowledge of good and evil, right?

Speaker A

But then you've got Jesus through the lineage of Mary all the way back to Eve on the mountaintop, being tempted by the devil.

Speaker A

And the devil literally says, I will bless you.

Speaker A

You see all this?

Speaker A

I'll give it to you.

Speaker A

And so Jesus now has to fulfill Genesis, chapter three, which is, your heel will crush his head, right?

Speaker A

And it comes through that lineage.

Speaker A

And I was thinking about how Jesus said, I'm going to pass up the devil's blessings to go all the way to the cross, because the devil basically was trying to bless Jesus before the cross, right?

Speaker A

And so it's to nullify the cross.

Speaker A

Like, hey, you're fasting right now.

Speaker A

You're in the mountain.

Speaker A

I can give you all this.

Speaker A

And I think the illusion of New Age is what it can give you.

Speaker A

I can.

Speaker A

And you said, each crystal, each astrological sign, I can give you this.

Speaker A

I can give you a mate.

Speaker A

I can give you wisdom.

Speaker A

I can give you strategy.

Speaker A

I can give you a communication to the dead.

Speaker A

But it's like what Christianity demands is that we go to the cross with Christ, that we crucify ourselves and share in his suffering.

Speaker A

And I love the way you said it.

Speaker A

I think even in the beginning of this, because I feel the anointing so strong, you were like, I'm not living my life.

Speaker A

This is the life of Christ through me.

Speaker A

Because I died to self.

Speaker A

And it was like the whole first part of your story, the way I heard it, it.

Speaker A

It's like you're doing everything you can to save yourself, but then Christ says, when you lose your life, that's when you find it.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker B

And isn't it ironic because when you actually die to yourself, that's when you live.

Speaker B

Because it's him that's the root spirit.

Speaker B

Right.

Speaker B

So it's all about that spiritual life.

Speaker B

It's his life actually that you're looking for.

Speaker A

Well, and it's like the anxiety among Gen Z and millennials is, I don't want to die.

Speaker A

I what's going to happen, what unforeseen thing.

Speaker A

But Christianity is embrace all of that uncertainty and say, no, I actually choose to die to self.

Speaker A

I choose.

Speaker A

And so I feel like we're hitting a root right now.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker B

So, yeah, let me, let me get to the salvation part before you close out.

Speaker A

No, no, no, I feel it.

Speaker A

No, this, like, let's go into it, cuz I feel like your story is about to be multiplied.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker B

Praise God.

Speaker B

I, basically, because it is all me.

Speaker B

It's exactly what you said.

Speaker B

It's all me, me, me, me, me.

Speaker B

And it's like in New Age, it's interesting because they actually tell you that you have to have an ego death.

Speaker B

And, but that's, but that's what I was saying.

Speaker B

It's like you have to die to yourself in the new age so you can be your higher self.

Speaker B

But it's all self.

Speaker B

And what I said on, on your stage, it's, it's, if self is the floor, then self is the ceiling.

Speaker B

So you just completely, you always cap.

Speaker B

Every single time, every single time.

Speaker B

It's just a cycle.

Speaker B

It's a hamster wheel.

Speaker B

So for me, 10 years go by and I'm the same, like, essentially the same.

Speaker B

I'm different on the outside.

Speaker B

I'm more demonized than I was when I went into it all.

Speaker B

And you can see it like when you look at old pictures of me.

Speaker B

I'm like skinny, I'm frail, I'm, I'm, I'm like dead in the eyes.

Speaker B

I'm just completely demon possessed.

Speaker B

And I'm wondering why none of it's working.

Speaker B

And at this point, I had just relapsed self harm for the first time in like six years when this happened.

Speaker B

Heavens.

Speaker B

I'm like, why?

Speaker B

Well, I'm doing everything.

Speaker B

I'm literally doing everything.

Speaker B

I don't understand.

Speaker B

I know my astrology inside out and backwards.

Speaker B

I meditate every single day.

Speaker B

I'm doing my yoga every single day.

Speaker B

I'm getting all the Reiki attunements, like I.

Speaker B

I know how to work the chakra system.

Speaker B

I do the shadow work, I do the inner child healing.

Speaker B

By the way, how exhausting does this sound?

Speaker B

I have my ritual every day.

Speaker B

I sage, I have palo Santo.

Speaker B

Like, I do everything.

Speaker B

I don't know what else to do.

Speaker B

Why do I still want to die?

Speaker B

I don't understand why.

Speaker B

I just want to take my life.

Speaker B

I don't understand why.

Speaker B

I have this pit in my heart, my soul.

Speaker B

And I know now it was a God shaped hole and it's in the shape of a cross.

Speaker B

And I was trying to fill it with all this other stuff that just could not do it.

Speaker B

Like I said, I was thirsty for the living water.

Speaker B

And I kept drinking from all these empty wells and I get to the end of myself, I hit that ceiling and I said, okay, I just want to die.

Speaker B

And I'm on my kitchen floor and I'm like, Jesus, save me.

Speaker B

Like, crying my eyes out.

Speaker B

And I just said those three words and I don't know where they came from.

Speaker B

I didn't know, but I now, I know now where they came from.

Speaker B

It was my soul just knowing that I needed him because he's.

Speaker B

He's the lover of my soul.

Speaker B

He's the one that created me.

Speaker B

He loves me.

Speaker B

He knit every hair on my head.

Speaker B

He made me in my mother's womb.

Speaker B

He loves me.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

And he was after me.

Speaker B

And I said, jesus, save me.

Speaker B

And overnight, like, something changed.

Speaker B

The depression, anxiety, and intrusive thoughts, like, those three major things gone.

Speaker B

And I was like, wow.

Speaker B

Well, those three words did what almost a decade of all this other stuff could never do.

Speaker B

Like all the rituals could never do.

Speaker B

And that's.

Speaker B

So that, that is like the crux of, of Jesus is that that with every other practice, every other religion, you have to climb the spiritual ladder to get to God.

Speaker B

And with Christianity, like, Jesus actually just reaches down where you are and he grabs you from that space.

Speaker B

And that's what he did.

Speaker B

He reached down and he loved.

Speaker B

He met me there, but he did not leave me there because he loved me too much to do it.

Speaker B

But this is how.

Speaker B

I mean, this is how deceived I was and just, just how stupid I was at the time where, where I know Jesus has just supernaturally delivered me from the worst parts of myself, but I think, wow, okay, great.

Speaker B

Now I can be a Christian astrologer.

Speaker A

Yeah, this goes full circle.

Speaker B

So for.

Speaker B

Right.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker B

So for about three months, I'm still doing the podcast, but now I'm like, okay, how can I make this About God.

Speaker B

So what I started to do was like, oh, this new moon is a great time for you to figure out, like, how you can, like, manifest God's plan.

Speaker B

So I tried to say, like, it's God's plan.

Speaker B

God's plan.

Speaker B

Not your plan anymore.

Speaker B

It's God's plan.

Speaker B

How can you surrender to God?

Speaker A

Yeah, it's a mixture.

Speaker B

Right?

Speaker B

And so all that stuff.

Speaker B

And, you know, I was a.

Speaker B

I was a real babe in the faith.

Speaker B

I hadn't read Scripture, which is interesting because people are reading their Bibles.

Speaker A

Please.

Speaker B

Or they are taking it out of.

Speaker B

Taking it out of context because it's like, look, it says signs and seasons.

Speaker B

Like, God made the sun and the moon stars for signs and seasons.

Speaker B

It's like.

Speaker B

Doesn't mean that.

Speaker B

Because if you go to Isaiah 47, he basically says, the astrologers are all going to burn in their own fire.

Speaker B

So reconcile that for me.

Speaker B

How he loves astrology because you use.

Speaker A

The Bible to interpret the Bible.

Speaker A

That's one of the methods.

Speaker B

And the whole.

Speaker B

The whole teaching on astrology and the Bible with the wise men, that's a whole other thing I've talked about.

Speaker B

It's not astrology.

Speaker B

Just need to make that clear.

Speaker B

But I went on for three months like this, and I'm starting to have a little bit of conviction, but I don't have a word for it.

Speaker B

It.

Speaker B

And so this part of my story is always important to mention because I know that there are people watching this and people that watch my stuff because they know people like I was.

Speaker B

Who are just deeply entrenched in this stuff.

Speaker B

And they're like, wow, I wish she would have a revelation the way Angela did.

Speaker B

I wish that this person would get sa.

Speaker B

And I need you to hear me when I tell you I was the furthest one from Christ.

Speaker B

And I had a friend.

Speaker B

I had my best friend Alyssa.

Speaker B

We met when we were in preschool school.

Speaker B

And she was always, like, the rock in my life because I always thought she was weird and kind of, like, awkward and, like, boring.

Speaker B

Because she was always the one when we would get into trouble.

Speaker B

Like, no, we can't do this thing.

Speaker B

And I'm always the one.

Speaker B

Like, let's go explore abandoned places.

Speaker B

Like, I literally led us to, like, these abandoned train tracks and, like, found this whole abandoned, like, train station.

Speaker B

And there's, like.

Speaker B

There's like, like human feces, like, in.

Speaker B

And I'm like, this is where I'm taking us.

Speaker B

This is where I'm leading us.

Speaker B

And she's.

Speaker B

And I'm calling Her boring because she's trying to get us out of these situations.

Speaker B

My point in sharing is that she had Christ, she had the Holy Spirit, she had a family rooted in the Lord.

Speaker B

Her mom even.

Speaker B

We just saw them the other day.

Speaker B

Her mom telling us when we're little because I want to put on demonic movies in the basement when we're having sleepovers.

Speaker B

Her mom sending us the down, explaining to us, I don't want this in my house.

Speaker B

And me thinking that's stupid, but like getting it now on the other side and just seeing the way the Lord's hand was always on her life, that favor and grace of protection, all that to say she was praying for me for two, for two decades that I would be saved.

Speaker B

Because she saw me go through the lust and the partying and the trauma and the men and the necromancy, like all the things.

Speaker B

And she just never gave up on me.

Speaker B

Me.

Speaker B

And she never left me, she never abandoned me.

Speaker B

She just always loved me where I was.

Speaker B

But she had boundaries where, you know, if she came to the party, she knew when she needed to leave.

Speaker B

Yeah, like stuff like that.

Speaker B

And she told me later that there was one night she came to one of my parties where I like had passed out completely obliterated on the bed.

Speaker B

Just like, like to the point where like you're lifting my arm and I'm like flopping out.

Speaker B

Like I'm just completely dipped out, you know, there.

Speaker B

So she leaves and she said she was on the way home and she was saying like, Lord, like what do I do here?

Speaker B

Like she's so gone.

Speaker B

And she said that she heard God and she's like, not like this.

Speaker B

Like she's.

Speaker A

She.

Speaker B

She thinks I've gone maybe a little too far now, but still, still sisters.

Speaker B

But she, you know, she does.

Speaker B

She's not like this, but she said she heard God say, I've got her.

Speaker B

And then six months later I call her and I'm like, hey, I think I need to give up yoga and astrology in my pocket.

Speaker B

I'm like crying my eyes out on the phone.

Speaker B

I remember this so vividly.

Speaker B

I'm like, I don't know what's going on, but I need to give up all this stuff.

Speaker B

Because the night before I was actually at a bar still.

Speaker B

I'm a Christian now.

Speaker B

I'm at a bar and I had this like little bit of a buzz.

Speaker B

I'm at a bar of Christian making that clear and, and I had a friend send me cuz I was asking him because I had follow, followed him Online.

Speaker B

He's now a really good friend.

Speaker B

His name is Kevin Tom.

Speaker B

I was asking him, like, hey, is astrology really wrong?

Speaker B

Because, like, you know, God created the sun.

Speaker B

This.

Speaker B

All the arguments that, you know, you probably get.

Speaker B

And he sent me back Isaiah 47, that whole thing where God is talking to the Babylonians and he's saying, like, yeah, go ahead, like, seek out your astrologers them, because they are going to burn in their own fire.

Speaker B

I mean, extremely paraphrasing.

Speaker B

But when I read that I had this, like, supernatural sobering in the physical and spiritual, where whatever buzz I had from the alcohol just completely went away.

Speaker B

I was, like, sober.

Speaker B

I could.

Speaker B

I just remember that moment so vividly.

Speaker B

Everything around me became crystal clear, sharp.

Speaker B

Like 4k just come all around me.

Speaker B

Like, time stopped almost.

Speaker B

And it was the first time I felt conviction, like, true conviction.

Speaker B

It was the Holy Spirit.

Speaker B

And that was the revelation of I'm a sinner.

Speaker B

That was the first time I ever could bridge that gap before it was.

Speaker B

I knew I had a savior and this was the first time I had a Lord where I knew, oh, wow, I am a sinner.

Speaker B

I have sinned against Jesus, and he loves me, and he actually died for me.

Speaker B

And that was the moment I was like, I can't do this.

Speaker B

And Mike was with me and.

Speaker B

And he's.

Speaker B

We're, like, playing pool.

Speaker B

It's, like, supposed to be a normal night.

Speaker B

And he's like, are you okay?

Speaker B

And I was like, yeah.

Speaker B

Like, I'm just standing there being completely, like, bored again in this moment.

Speaker B

And I was not okay.

Speaker B

And then that's.

Speaker B

The next day I called her.

Speaker B

I'm like, I gotta get rid of all this stuff.

Speaker B

I don't know.

Speaker B

I don't.

Speaker B

She's like, just come over.

Speaker B

Bring it over.

Speaker B

I go over to her house with all my paraphernalia.

Speaker B

I packed it all up.

Speaker B

It was like.

Speaker B

It was like literally thousands of dollars and boxes full of this stuff, of the crystals, the cards, the books, the journals.

Speaker B

Like, I used to channel in my journals and.

Speaker B

And the decorations.

Speaker B

I literally had a Buddha head on almost every wall in my house.

Speaker B

I had a tapestry with a zodiac wheel.

Speaker B

Every wall in my house completely branded out to the devil.

Speaker B

Yeah, I take it all to her house that night.

Speaker B

We burn it all, get rid of it all.

Speaker B

I didn't know anything about Deliverance, which is why that night I went home and I was super heavy.

Speaker B

I couldn't even walk up the stairs because I needed them cast out of me.

Speaker B

I didn't know that yet.

Speaker B

But yeah, I got rid of all of it.

Speaker B

And then, I mean, that was it.

Speaker B

Like, I was just, I was just sold out.

Speaker B

I was sold out to Jesus.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

Like, because I knew he had bought me with a price finally.

Speaker B

And then, yeah, here I am, like two and a half, almost three years later, just completely on fire for God.

Speaker B

I have since been delivered and like, like, not just set free in the spirit, but like set free in my soul.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

Because he did deliver me from all those things.

Speaker B

But there was still stuff from the new age.

Speaker B

It's just I needed to be completely delivered from, like come out of complete agreement with.

Speaker B

Yeah, those things were just clinging like little cockroaches.

Speaker B

And that was like a year later, after I was, after I was saved, when I was finally water baptized.

Speaker B

And then when I was water baptized, that's like when the Lord opened all the doors for deliverance.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker A

So emotional.

Speaker A

I.

Speaker A

Well, you know, I got this revelation while you're talking, so in Isaiah, it says that those in astrology, you know, they will burn in their own fire, but in Acts, chapter two, Christians burn in the holy fire.

Speaker B

Amen.

Speaker A

So it's like, I think it's really about whose fire are you burning in?

Speaker A

The one that you made yourself or the one that God made for us?

Speaker A

And so it's like you exchange the fire of divination for the fire of the Holy Spirit.

Speaker A

Spirit.

Speaker A

So it's like we, because we know we're called to be burning ones.

Speaker B

But.

Speaker A

And, and it's like that's what.

Speaker A

And I felt it like my 10 year old daughter's over my right shoulder and she could see your face the entire time you were talking.

Speaker A

And you know, I worry about my daughters and, and I know that's not even righteous to worry, but you know, you pray for them and you.

Speaker A

But sometimes like when you're a dad, you say all the right things, but you're the wrong vessel because they need to hear it from someone else.

Speaker A

And like, I don't think it's strange that, like, you're my daughter's favorite YouTuber and so like, I was really emotional.

Speaker A

No, I know.

Speaker A

Because like, as a dad, it's like.

Speaker A

Yeah, you think about like the girls that need to hear the message.

Speaker A

Because, like I'm telling you, we live in New York City and I feel like I walk my daughter through a minefield every day.

Speaker A

Like, we go to the grocery store and it literally says tarot cards for kids.

Speaker A

And they have it in the impulse bisection where she can see it and reach It.

Speaker A

And I feel like I'm walking my kid through the.

Speaker A

Through the courts of Babylon every day, through the courts of Egypt every day.

Speaker A

And it's like, how do I keep her in this pure white dress when I have to walk her through mud every single day?

Speaker A

And.

Speaker A

And so like, I just.

Speaker A

You know, we've been talking about how, like in Leviticus, the.

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It talks about the lamb that slain.

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And then the Passover story in Exodus, the blood's in the basin, but it says, take a branch of Hisa, you know, dip it in the basin and apply the blood to the doorpost.

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And the whole time you were telling your story, I kept thinking about re.

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Revelation 3 that says they overcame by the word of their testimony in the blood of the Lamb.

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And I just.

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I'm splattered in blood.

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The whole time you were talking, I just feel covered in the blood.

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Because you were like that hyssop branch distributing the blood of Jesus in this broadcast.

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And you know, my daughter hearing these words, I feel like is a deposit in her life.

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But the last part of that scripture in Revelation 3 says, and they love not their life unto death, death.

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And I feel like there.

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There's something about, like, your.

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You.

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You and how you live.

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It's full surrender.

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And.

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But it's like they.

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A lot of people see your life now, they don't know the stages of surrender because we oftentimes think that surrender, full surrender, happens in a moment.

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But it's like what I heard you say is that, like, you went through stages of surrender.

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So I feel like in my stomach right now, there's people watching that have gone through, like, stages of surrender.

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And even.

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I kid you not, when we were eating breakfast earlier, my friend who's a prophet was literally sending me screenshots of all these Christian astrologers saying, what do I do with this?

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And I feel like you just gave.

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The answer is maybe they surrendered one stage.

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They need to surrender more.

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Yeah.

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You know, so would you mind just like, kind of taking us into a ministry moment?

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But before you do, the last thing I wanted to say is your friend who prayed for you, you.

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I've been feeling called to call the body of Christ to.

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To that level of prayer.

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And I believe that this broadcast is an invitation for people to say so maybe you're watching this and you know you are saved and you are fully surrendered, but maybe there's people in your life that it's time for you to begin to pick up a burden of prayer like never before.

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I want to join you.

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We're even going to be praying on this channel a lot.

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So make sure that you're.

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You're in with.

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With us on that.

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But you're a product of that.

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And so I just want to give you an opportunity just to minister to people for a moment.

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I'll step back and just take your time, because there's something so profound that's happening through the spirit right now.

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And I know that there's many who probably even got this video because someone shared it to them.

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It was like, you need to watch this.

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But they're sitting there and the Holy Spirit's confirming, like, this is the truth.

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Yeah.

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Well, I do just want to first say that.

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That exactly what Pastor Mike is saying, do not.

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Do not cease prayer for them.

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Like the Bible says that we are to pray ceaselessly.

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So for those of you that have that friend or that loved one, pray ceaselessly.

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Because my salvation is not only the product of her prayer, but my husband's salvation is the product of her prayer and my prayers.

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And this is just.

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This is the.

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The.

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The domino revival.

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This is what prayer does.

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Because the Lord says that he hears the prayers of the righteous, and it is not his will that any man should perish.

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So you can actually, actually pray in faith that they will be saved.

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You don't have to beg him.

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You can just thank him in advance for their salvation, which is exactly what I did with the.

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With the man that is now my husband.

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And so I just want to give that word for you that you do not be discouraged, because the devil is a liar and he comes to steal, kill, and destroy.

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So don't let him do any of the above to your faith or your love for your friend.

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And when you think that it's a moot point to pray or it's pointless to pray, just know that the only one that doesn't want you to pray is the one who's afraid of your prayer prayers.

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And that's the enemy.

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And so now, for those of you that are watching this, you were sent this by that friend or that loved one.

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And if you've made it this far, it's because that this is landing on fertile soil.

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And what the enemy does when that seed lands, he comes to snatch it.

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So I just encourage you to stay for this prayer.

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Don't let him snatch that seed from you.

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Let that just really settle.

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Let it settle and let the Lord, Lord just fertilize it and let it grow.

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Because I want to tell you.

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I want to tell your daughter.

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I want to tell everyone that there's.

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That Jesus is the only one who can heal you.

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He's the only one that can make you free.

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He is salvation.

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His name is salvation.

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He is the deliverer.

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And that verse you love, not your.

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You overcome the evil one by the blood of the lamb, the word of their testimony.

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And I love that you emphasize the last part because so many people don't.

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It's just like the Lamb, the blood of the lamb and the testimony.

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But that last part you love not your own life.

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It's truly.

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When you.

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There is so much freedom and truly not being your own anymore.

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When he just truly has you and you're completely free of yourself because that is bondage.

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That's why the new age is all obsessed with yourself.

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That's why the world is obsessed with, with self help, self saving.

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It's because self is the shackle.

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Okay?

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Jesus is the one that makes you free because he actually takes your life and gives you his life in you.

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So God, I just pray right now that anyone that is hearing this, even if it's a year from now when they find this video.

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Lord, you know every single person who is going to watch this video.

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You know their heart, you know their life because you knit them together and you love them dearly and you're calling them home to yourself.

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You're.

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You're drawing them in.

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The word of God says that they cannot come unless you are the one drawing.

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And that's what this is.

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You are drawing them and you're saying, I love you and I see you and I don't want you to suffer anymore.

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You don't have to do this on your own.

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This torment is not for me.

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This is not my will for your life.

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I love you.

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Would you just let me have you?

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God just wants to have you.

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You, but he is too polite to just grab you.

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That's why we have free will.

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He's too polite to just take you for his own.

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He wants you to actually come to him, to surrender in faith.

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Because it is by grace, through faith that we are saved.

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So would you just surrender your faith to Jesus Christ?

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Would you just tell him right now, Lord, I don't know what this looks like.

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I don't know what this is.

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I don't know what this means.

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But I want to give my life to you, Lord, I just lay down every sin that I have ever committed, every known and unknown sin.

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God, I just give that to you and I ask for your forgiveness.

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In fact, I thank you for your forgiveness.

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God, I thank you for forgiveness Lord, that you forgave me even while I was still a sinner and just renounce these practices.

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Maybe you need to pause the video and go through some things that you've been doing.

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You need to renounce the astrology and the reiki and the tarot and the Holy Spirit will begin to just minister these things that you've been doing.

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Maybe you don't even know know is witchcraft that, that you have in your house.

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Even things that you need to get rid of after this video ends and you renounce all of this stuff.

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You repent for all of this stuff.

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And so just know that in your repentance you are forgiven.

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That's what's so different.

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One of the most different things about Jesus from all this new age stuff is that all you need to do is confess and, and he's done it.

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You have to understand the work on the cross is finished.

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He has done it already.

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You don't have to do anything.

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This is just the confession of faith.

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This is.

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You just need to receive his love and receive his forgiveness.

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And it's so different from the new age stuff because you're constantly trying to fulfill it.

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He has fulfilled it.

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You just have to receive it.

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So I pray right now, Father, that you would give them a revelation and outpouring of your love, God, I pray that the love would just overflow.

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That you would just douse them in the blood of the lamb, God, that you would just douse the them in the perfect precious blood of Jesus Christ.

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That you would wash them completely clean.

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That you would wash them, Lord.

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Your word says white as snow of every transgression, Lord.

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And I thank you God that you that that they are healed by your stripes, Lord, whatever it is you're going through in the physical and the emotional and the mental.

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Lord, I pray right now for healing in Jesus, Jesus name.

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I command all depression and anxiety in the mighty name of Jesus to go right now.

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In Jesus name, all anxiety and depression must flee.

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In Jesus name we submit to the the power, love and sound mind that comes from God.

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Fear does not come from God.

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That is a spirit.

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The Bible says.

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And anxiety and depressions are byproducts of, of fear.

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That is not of God, that is not his will from your life.

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That is the enemy's assignment to destroy you.

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God longs to restore you and bring you peace and love.

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And so we thank you, Lord Jesus, that you are the prince of peace.

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Lord, would you just wash them over with your peace right now, God, would you let it be a tangible experience to them that they would feel your peace, that they would know your peace, that it would be actually noticeable, possibly so much different than anything else they have ever experienced.

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Thank you, Jesus Christ.

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We love you so much, Lord.

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And so I just pray that every form of divination and witchcraft, your zodiac sign, just renounce your zodiac sign.

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Every demon under the zodiac wheel, every demon that came in through Reiki, every demon that came in through the tarot cards, every demon that came in through, through, through Reiki and.

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And Lord, what else?

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Through meditation in Jesus name, through yoga, every yoga spirit.

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I command all these spirits under the sound of my voice, that came in through new age practice to go in Jesus name, to go right now in the mighty name of Jesus.

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And if you need more deliverance after this, if this is not the full thing right now, that's okay.

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It happens in layers.

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Like Pastor Mike said, there are stages and you can go seek out a good church, a good pastor locally or even more videos online to get the freedom that you need through Jesus Christ.

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But right now we just pray that the Holy Spirit would come and fill you.

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Just a baptism of the Holy Spirit right now.

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Thank you Lord.

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Would you just baptize them with fire and the Holy Spirit?

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Thank you God.

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Thank you Jesus.

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And if you're listening to this, your next step, you must be water baptized.

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It is a command.

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You must, must be water baptized.

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You must lay that old man in the watery grave because you don't want to carry a corpse on your back.

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You must lay that corpse in the watery grave.

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Thank you Jesus.

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Lord, I pray right now that they would have dreams and visions of you, of your love, that you would speak to them.

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That whatever giftings, whatever spiritual giftings that the devil has been trying to pervert in the new age, Lord, I pray that you would redeem it for your kingdom, for your glory.

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Because every spiritual quote gift of the new age is a demonic counterfeit of what the.

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Of the godly authentic that can only come from the Holy Spirit.

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Lord, I pray against, I pray against religion in Jesus name.

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I pray that this, Lord, you would protect this person right now from going into the opposite direction on the the other side of the pendulum.

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It's a dead religion, Lord.

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I pray protection from that right now.

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I pray that you would protect their eyes and ears from false teachers that preach a cessationist gospel in Jesus name.

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I pray protection over them right now.

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And Lord, I just thank you for the work that you are faithful to complete in this, in this son or daughter of God.

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We Love you Lord.

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We bless you.

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We honor you in Jesus name.

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Amen.

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Amen.

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Amen.

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Oh, so powerful guys.

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We love you.

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Make sure you subscribe.

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I'm not building an audience, we are equipping an army.

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And I can cannot thank you enough for just like pouring your life and just ministering so deeply.

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This has been, honestly, I, I feel like the testimonies that we see on the other side of this are going to, like you said, for years and years, like, you know, the Bible says put a stone here for remembrance.

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And I feel like you left a stone in New York City, like a stone of remembrance, you know, and I feel like the grace just to narrate this a little bit.

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Are we still good on, on tape?

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But like, I feel like the significance of this is we are in New York City.

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New York City is one of the most influential, if not the most influential cities of the world.

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And there's something about the, in some ways like being at the, these demonic altars here.

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And for you to do and say what you did from this place was so significant and so thank you for putting a stone of remembrance.

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You know, it's like when you drive through the streets here, it says psychic media medium, you know, yoga, reiki healing everywhere here.

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But I believe in the spiritual realm, there's a stone that you left that people will say, what, what is that?

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That's what God could do with a surrendered life.

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So thank you so much.

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I'm wrecked.

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I need to blow my nose.

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Yeah, there's a New Age Exodus right now.

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Yeah, there is.

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But you have like a Moses.

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I know, I've heard you say that multiple times.

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If there's a New age in Exodus, you're Moses.

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Yeah.

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The one thing I want to say is that it's because they're hungry for the truth.

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And I always say that's like they're getting all the little, all the little lowercase T, truth.

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And just because they're looking for the capital T, because that's his name.

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His name is Truth.

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Jesus's name is Truth.

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So they're looking for him.

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And I, I really believe God's doing something with it right now, that the devil has overplayed his hand.

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That's it all he always does.

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Well, and the other thing too is like with the lowercase T versus capital T is C.

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And you will find exactly.

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So they're seeking so ruthlessly and it is leading to Christ.

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But then we also know religion is a form of godliness that denies the power thereof.

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And so they, they need to know.

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There is power for another day.

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I know there's people probably right now cleaning up the vomit from the deliverance you just did.

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And they're just like, whoa, that was not something I ever experienced in my church growing up.

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And because maybe you experience a form of godliness, but what it denied the power thereof.

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And so welcome to the winning side.

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Welcome to the family of Christ.

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We're so glad you're here.

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And, man, we'll also link to your channel, so that way you guys can just go.

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She's got so many incredible teachings, and she can just go more in depth.

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So make sure you go over there, subscribe, and follow her on her on socials.

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And this is the first, but not the final time that we minister together.

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So my show is called Heaven and Healing Pox Podcast.

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It's not like you'll find me if you type in my name, but it's called Heaven and Healing Podcast.

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It was very specific that God has given me that.

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That it was prophetic, and he won't let me release it.

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Like, I know it would be easier for me to just be like Angela Marie Scafiti across everything, but I got the word for heaven and healing because my old podcast was called Moon and Back.

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And when I was making a new podcast, God put that on my heart.

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I want you to share your testimony and have people like you on the show.

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I said, well, what.

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What is it supposed to be called called?

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And he said, well, we're.

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We're not just going in the moon like you're.

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This is heaven, and it's heaven and healing.

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I love it.

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So it.

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Because it's not my ministry, it's his.

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That's it.

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This is about.

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This is about salvation.

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Heaven and then healing is about the deliverance and the walking in the freedom.

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Yeah, completely.

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I didn't know it was prophetic when he gave me the name, but I see it now.

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So good.

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I kept thinking about that scripture.

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Whom the sun sets free is free.

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Indeed.

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Indeed.

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Yeah, indeed.

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And that's what it is.

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It's like New Age is freedom, but not free.

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Indeed.

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And you keep going on that hamster wheel and it feels like freedom momentarily, but it's more bondage over the long run.

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But then what happens is you go through Christ and it's free.

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Indeed.

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So, yeah, we'll link to that and we'll have it all there.

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Guys, we love you so much.

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I am just so excited.