Advocating for Chaplains in Schools: The Impact of Spiritual Care on Students featuring Kim Daniels

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Hello, everyone. I'm Stephen Strang, and welcome to the Strang Report podcast. And today, we're

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going to talk about a very important topic, and that is chaplains in schools. It's something

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that's happening that I just found out about recently. I was at the National Religious

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Broadcasters in Nashville, and I met a lot of people, and one of them was Rocky Malloy,

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who is the founder and president of the National School Chaplain Association. I found out that

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there were 17 states in process to get chaplains in schools. Now, in most states, maybe all

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states, prisoners can have chaplains, but not schoolchildren. And with the school shootings

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and with all of the other things that are going on in schools, the fact that they took

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prayer out of schools, if ever we need chaplains, it's now. So I was fascinated with it. I invited

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him to be on my podcast, which he'll be in just a minute. And then later, I found out

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that my longtime friend, Kim Daniels, who is in the Florida legislature from a district

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in Jacksonville, not too far from us, and the Florida legislature is in session, it

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actually ends in a few days, that she just got a bill passed for chaplains in schools.

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So I invited both of them to be on my podcast today, and we'll find out what's going on.

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Why don't I start with you, Rocky, to just tell us how your national school chaplain

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association started and what prompted you to try to get chaplains in schools all over

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the United States.

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Thank you, Steve. Actually, the chaplain's operation started many years ago overseas.

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We currently have over 30,000 schools with chaplains. That's a database of about 27

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million people. And I started it because I saw a lot of bad things happening to children,

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trafficking, organ harvesting, and just other horrific things that victimize children.

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And chaplains are a stopgap. They arrest behavior that brings children into that type of danger.

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So I was very interested in how to protect children, and that was a great way to do it.

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Well, I think what you're doing is very important, and you told me that so far is only passed

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in Texas. And then I guess when it passes in Florida, it'll be the second state, but

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you've got 16 or 17 other states in process. And I'm interested in finding out about it,

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and then I want to jump over and finding out what's happening in Florida, my home state.

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And so tell me about the momentum. 17 is a pretty good start. Do you expect to pass

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them? What about the other states? I'm guessing you're making headway mostly in what we call

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red states, more conservative states. What's happening?

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Well, you know what? Maryland filed the bill. We got great momentum in Maryland. That's

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traditionally considered a blue state. California is talking to us. They're very interested

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in it. Newsom said if it came to them the right way, he would sign it. It's momentum

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sweeping the country. It's never been illegal for a school to have a chaplain. As a matter

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of fact, there's several thousand chaplains that work in school across the country right

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now. What happened was Texas looked at our data overseas where schools with chaplains

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have up to 80% reduction in teen pregnancies, 37% increase of high school graduations, and

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a dramatic reduction of suicides. So they took that information, turned it into a bill

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and passed it, but they did. Florida and Texas aren't making chaplaincy somehow legal. They're

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just recognizing the value of spiritual care for teachers and students.

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But before the podcast is over and after we talked to representative Daniels, I want

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to find out how my viewers can help you by contacting their elected representatives or

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what we can do. We need some action, not just information from a podcast like this. So representative

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Daniels, I remember when you first ran for the city council in Jacksonville, I was there

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when you, in fact, I was involved with your campaign a little bit considering I live in

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another part of Florida. I remember going to your swearing in up in Jacksonville and

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then later you ran for the legislature in Tallahassee and you've been doing a great

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job there. Tell me about your involvement with this particular bill, why you started

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it, what the bill involves and so forth.

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Well, first of all, the bill was started by representative McLean from Ocala, who was

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a Republican and a very good friend of mine. We came in in 2016 to the legislature and

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when I saw the, I thought this was just a simple bill. When I saw the opposition that

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he was getting specifically from my colleagues, the Democrats, you know, I feel, I felt like

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I had to get in on the team with representative McLean and get this bill passed.

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And it was passed and didn't it just pass in February, the last few days of February,

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and you made a speech on the floor of the Florida legislature. Tell me about that too.

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Well, you know what, it seems like folk like that speech, but I am a member of the Democratic

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Party, so it may seem strange for me to stand, you know, and I was saying, I cast out devils,

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I speak in tongues, you know, and I, and I just said, I'm a holy roller.

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And I have been around so many people, I am the opponent of this bill's worst nightmare.

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I cast out devils. I pray in tongues. I'm a holy roller.

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You know, I just had to take a radical position because people are radically against things

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like this. And you know, I did the bill as a freshman eight years ago to put prayer back

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in school in Florida. So folk are scared. I don't know why. And I always ask the question

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mostly why would people who don't believe in God, a lot of them, not all of them, don't

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believe in a God, don't want to believe in God and they're fighting something they don't

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believe in. Why are we even doing this? So, you know, I get a lot of flak from that, but

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it's okay. You know, I'm used to that, Steve. And I feel like God put me here for such a

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time as this. And we need those chaplains in our schools.

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Well, I know for sure that you have been doing this a long time. You are a minister in your

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own right up in Jacksonville. When I first met you and your family, you were known as

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the demon busters if I remember the term correctly. And we have done several books, including the

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demon dictionary and some other things. And so we had been friends a number of years before

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you ever ran for, first of all, for the city council in Jacksonville and then later the

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legislature. And yes, it is a little different to have a Holy Ghost demon busting Democrat.

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Well it's unusual for any legislature, but you're in a very unique position. And tell

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me what reaction you got to the speech you made on the floor to house floor.

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Well, you know, I got a standing ovation, of course, from the Republicans. And I am not

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the only Holy Ghost feel Democrat on that floor. And I think we had like five people

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that voted with us, which was really a lot. It's a bill that I don't think folks should

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have to struggle about coming across lines, but some did. And the thing about it is I

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respect those who didn't vote for it, but we just had to get it passed. And I can't

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stop and be distracted by people who I think mostly don't understand that our schools are

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war zone. I mentioned that and I talked about my experience in the military as a desert

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storm veteran. You know, when I was a chaplain, you know, and it just fell into place. And

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I think this is an awesome thing that God is doing.

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So it's passed the house and the Senate and Governor Ron DeSantis has agreed that he's

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going to sign it and it will come into effect or go into effect on July 1st, 2024. And you

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told me before we came on camera that there's no funding for this. So this is a volunteer

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chaplain. Tell us about that.

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Let me put a disclaimer out there. I cannot say that Governor DeSantis has agreed. I have

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not spoken to him. I just we believe that there should be no reason for him not to support

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it. I believe he will. This program, I guess it's kind of like a pilot program somewhat,

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but there is no funding to the to the bill is simply volunteer chaplains. And I and I

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think that I don't I don't believe that the opposition to this bill will any kind of chaplains,

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whether they're funded or unfunded. But this is an unfunded mandate. There's no need for

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money. They are volunteers.

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Well what can people here in Florida do? Should we write Governor DeSantis or just wait and

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see what happens? What about, you know, there are a lot of school boards here in Florida

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that the school boards are on a county level. We have 67 counties. And how about people

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volunteering? Some cities, they're going to want to be sure to have chaplains. I'm guessing

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that you won't have chaplains in every single school the first year. What what do you recommend

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that people do?

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Well, you know, unfortunately, we have a loud minority and a silent majority. Most of the

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people in my district and my community, I know that they will want chaplains. I haven't

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talked to anyone on the ground level. School police officers, teachers, members of my community

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that don't want won't chaplains. But in the administrative areas in the upper echelons,

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people are more political. You know, they could put some influence on these districts

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to say, don't you have chaplains? So we need to be sending the message to the districts

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to put these chaplains in the schools because the counselors are overworked, you know, and

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I'm not saying that chaplains would replace counselors because that was the that was the

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debate. But I am saying they are a resource and we need as many resources as we can get.

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And please reach out to our school districts to your superintendents and let them know

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because if we're silent, people will think that we don't care. And when we speak and

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reach out, it shows that this is important to a whole lot of people.

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Well, Rocky, let me ask you, you rattled off these very impressive statistics and a lot

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of schools, a lot of chaplains in other parts of the world. How did this happen? You know,

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there's got to be a cause and effect that there's chaplains, they're able to counsel

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to help be fewer unwanted pregnancies, less suicide, kind of talk me through how that

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works and even relate to Texas where they were so impressed with those statistics. And

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I guess what I'm wondering is here in the state of Florida, can we expect the same kind

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of statistics?

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You know, Steve, it's really impressive because there's a person, a man or woman that represents

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God. That's why it's legal. A lot of people misunderstand that chaplains are not church

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representatives or God representatives and it brings spiritual care. And about five years

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ago, they started a called Strategic Readiness Initiative in the US Army, where they dramatically

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increased spiritual care because they determined based on clinical empirical evidence that

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a person, a soldier was unprepared for combat if they were, did not have a personal relationship

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with God. It changed the culture of the US Army. It was quickly adapted by the Marine

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Corps and the US Navy. If you've seen the news lately, there's a dramatic increase of

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chaplains going into the military and it's made the Marines, the sailors, the soldiers

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better equipped. And according to their data, empirical clinical evidence of brain scans

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and other types of tests, a person with a personal relationship has a higher cognitive

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function and much less likely to be depressed, to hurt themselves or other people. And they

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went as far as to say that spiritual care as provided by chaplains actually prevents

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mental illness such that without having that, it creates mental illness. So beautiful, healthy

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young men and women and teachers go to school and they come home with mental illness if

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spiritual care is not provided. That's how important this is. And that's why Representative

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Daniel Oscar category performance on the floor one the day because she just went her passion

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for really people. She was able to convince her colleagues how important it is.

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Well, she's a fiery preacher. That's for sure. I've heard her preach many times. I've been

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to her church many times over the years. And why would you like to add to that Representative

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Daniels?

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Well, you know, it's so important that the church, the people in the kingdom of God,

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get involved like Mr. Rocky Malloy. You know, we stay out of the political arena. We just

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want to stay in the four walls of the church. But as you can look in America and in our

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communities, we need to come out of the four walls of the church. And you know, Steve,

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it was very comfortable for me, you know, traveling around the world, five star, you

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know, first class folk rolling out the red carpet. But you know, I got through me out

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of a helicopter and I landed in a parachute shoot right on the House of Representatives

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and it's a war zone. And so we need more representation and we need people who are not afraid to share

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their faith because people are becoming so bold on what they believe on what they believe.

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We need bold people. And I'm not trying to be funny. But I am a stranger in this land

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because I'm a black female Democrat standing for the things that I stand for. And I don't

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have no problem with it.

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Well, you've stood for those things as long as I've known you and we're just so glad to

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have you in the Florida legislature and some other good people too. We have some mutual

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friends of course up there in Tallahassee and I'm just so proud of what you're doing.

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And I think this is very important. We're going to be reporting this on charisma news.

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The fact that it's passed and waiting the governor's signature and Rocky Malloy, we

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want to find out as you get this passed in other states. You know, you rattled off a

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couple of them. You said it's only actually been passed into law in Texas. Why do you

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expect this to happen in the next few months? And can you keep us informed so we can get

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it out there on charisma news, out in the internet, hopefully other media will also pick

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it up.

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Well, Steve, what you're one of the leading voices for this movement and Christians in

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general. And yes, we would love to keep you updated. What I expect to happen is several

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of these states are going to pass this legislation. As you know, it's there's a thousand ways

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for a bill to die and only one way for it to become law. But it's opened other states

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to the reality that they can hire chaplains or allow them to come into schools as volunteers.

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So for instance, Tennessee, Arkansas and New Jersey have already moved forward with chaplains

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programs without legislation. And then some states like Indiana that already have chaplains

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in school are amplifying it and legislation is backing it up. And so representatives

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Daniels, her time on the floor now has gone viral with other men and women of God that

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serve in legislators. And she's really emboldened them to speak up just like she said, because

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they've bowed down to political pressure, not to speak up. And so her really fantastic

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performance on the floor has really made a lot of people take notice that yes, God need

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God and prayer need to return to public education.

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Well, thank you to you both for being so articulate on this very important thing. I want to encourage

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my viewers and listeners to share this with others that you think need to hear it. And

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and Thursday at 4 p.m. Eastern time. And this is a story that we're going to continue to

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follow. As I said, we'll report it on the internet. I have a personal vested interest

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in this since I live in the state of Florida and since I've been friends with Kim Daniels

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for so long. And we'll continue to follow this. So as we wrap this up, I'll give you

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each the last word to tell people how they could reach you. Rocky, we want people to

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find out about your ministry. I picked up this very nice sheet with a lot of information.

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I know your website has a lot of information and Representative Daniels, if people wanted

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to find out more about you and your ministry, if you would give us a website so people could

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follow up. Well, my website is kimbraleedaniels.com and my direct line is area code 904-237-9363.

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But I am on Facebook every morning at 6 a.m. I did a Facebook post yesterday and we had

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20,000 people that came on. So my Facebook is Kimberly Maria Daniels and we were raising

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up intercessors. And I want to say this, while we were on the floor, we had intercessors

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placed in the capital. We went on a four day fast. We had intercessors in the top of the

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floor where everyone's up in the bubble. We had intercession going round the clock, literally

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domino prayers. When I was on that floor, there were prayers backing me up and holding

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my arms up because we still have that force of intercessors and we cannot go into battle

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unequipped. We need the intercession. We need the prayer warriors and we need the agreement

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of God so that the people of God can come together and bring forth this kingdom movement.

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Amen. And so well said. And Rocky Maloy, how can people reach you?

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Steve, I would love for people to go to campuschamplance.org. That's campuschamplance.org to find out how they

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can become a certified school chaplain. We have four levels of chaplaincy. We have senior

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chaplains, deputy chaplains and chaplains, depending on their education level and experience.

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And in the case of Florida, we deputize people to raise funds for themselves to be employed.

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So it works a little different in different states, but we are there to help fill those

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much needed positions in schools to provide spiritual care to teachers and students.

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Well, thank you to both of you for being on the STRANG Report. This is a very important

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issue. I'm personally very encouraged by what we heard today. And thank you to my viewers

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and listeners for tuning into the STRANG Report today. God bless you.

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Do you ever feel discouraged? Do you need hope? The world is so upside down that even

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if you believe there is power in the Holy Spirit, sometimes you need to be reminded that greater

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