(271) “Finding Meaning in Life in Communist China” with Annie Halberg and Lois Wang

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I walk into the Three -Self Church. It was singing,

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What a good friend of Jesus. Wow. That choir

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singing. You know what? I teared, pouring out

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like rain. I cried for, non -stop crying for

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three days. Wow. I believe that's born again,

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you know. I just, everywhere I go, I cried. I

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just saw the beautiful flower, everything beautiful.

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God promises in Joel 2 .28 to pour out His Spirit

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on all humanity. Welcome to Global Outpouring,

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where we contend for that promise outpouring,

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we equip for that outpouring so that we may engage

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in that very outpouring. I'm Philip Buss. And

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I'm Sharon Buss. Welcome to the podcast today.

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We have with us our special guests, Esther Annie

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Halberg and her sister Lois. They are from China

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and they have amazing stories. So we're going

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to do two episodes with them to bring you their

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stories. They have just been such a blessing

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to us. And we want to encourage you to enjoy

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this as Annie shares her story of finding meaning

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in life in communist China. We're so glad that

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able to stay in touch with you. Well, it's a

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delight to have with us Esther Annie Halberg

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and Lois Wong, they're sisters. And you came

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with a whole team from New Zealand and China.

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What an amazing combination even to have. But

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you're Chinese and you came to New Zealand. That's

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a story in itself. I don't know how much of the

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stories we'll be able to tell today, but we've

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known each other for a number of years, and we

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really appreciate you coming to the convention.

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So welcome to the Global Outpouring Podcast.

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Thank you so much. I'm honored to be here. So

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I would love to go back to the story of how you

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got connected to this ministry, how you met Sister

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Gwen Shaw, our founder. Oh, wow. Yes, I came

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to the U .S. in 2008. Actually, I worked for

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another organization. So I was invited to attend

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the presidential prayer breakfast for Bush. Yeah,

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he's a prudential preceptor. And then during

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that break, I just saw one lady came out with

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me on the wheelchair. And another lady pushed

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her, so she asked me in Chinese, Are you from

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Inner Mongolia? I said, yes. I was surprised.

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How do you know that? Then she said, do you know

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Mongolia Wang Ye? Wang Ye means the Mongolia

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king. I said, oh, I was born in Mongolia Wang

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Ye King's Palace. Then she said, wow, you know,

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she'd given me her name card. And she said, is

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the one year still alive? I said, no, I even

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don't know. That name card brought us together.

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I had to wait for one year, and then I came to

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Angletown. That year, I experienced brokenness.

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Physically, my ovary was broken. I had three

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-quarters of my blood poured out. Yeah, I was

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facing almost death. Physically, spiritually,

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I got a breakthrough. white skin, and it's like

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a rebirth, you know. Wow. Yeah, so after that,

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it took me half a year to restore, you know,

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my physical body is so weak, I have to drink

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in the liquid for a month, chicken soup, you

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know. I got a sister who came from New Zealand

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to look after me. Gradually, when I was getting

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better, I was invited to a women's group who

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studied the 12 tribes of Israel. I was really

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fascinated. I had been coming from an underground

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church in New Zealand. I found a Chinese church.

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Always in the church, never heard about the Israel

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or tribal. So I studied that book. find my first

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tribe, Zebulun, you know. I said, who is that

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woman? Grandshaw wrote such a fantastic book,

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you know. Then I went back home and find out

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the name card Sister Grandshaw gave to me. I

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said, oh, that's the same lady I met at the presidential

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prayer breakfast. Then the Midland people said,

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wow, you know, she's a very, she's a very anointed

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woman. He said, you got to meet with her. So

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everybody started calling, you know, Anton Handmaiden.

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Yeah, so Sister Granshaw said, come here, come

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here. Yeah, so I made a day I drove to Little

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Rock. Oh, no, I flew to Little Rock and hired

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the car. But for me, coming to Angletown, also

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I had to break through so much because that day

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was... I was lost so many times. I drove like

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four or five hours from Little Rock. It's only

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two and a half hours drive. I don't have GPS.

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I drove on the mountain, my driving skills. School

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is not that good. I was so afraid that suddenly

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the fog, you know, come. I couldn't see anything

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on the narrow road. I said, oh, my goodness,

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Lord, help me. I cry out to God. I turned, opened

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four windows, and it was in November. It was

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so freezing. Oh, yes. My finger can't move. Anyway,

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I just heard the Lord said. bring out your wind,

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fly like an eagle. Wow. I just realized I come

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to the eagle rock. So finally I arrived. I think

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Philip, you went to pick me up. And from there,

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I just came down to the valley. Wow. I feel like

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a whole new world waiting for me. Wow. It was.

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Yeah. It was like nine o 'clock. She's expecting.

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me for dinner but I was because I was lost and

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I tried to find then she sang the song Jesus

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love you I all know in Chinese I cried I cried

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Then Sister Grandshasha just told you, record

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everything Annie said. Oh, wow. I feel so honored.

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I thought nobody had come here. She always honored

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me. That makes me feel like, wow, I must be important.

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Then I stayed here for three days, and she began

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to ask you to take out the old photo album. Oh,

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yes. Like every day I look at the photo. She

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shared all the story from the birth, from the

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baby photo. Until, you know, she was in China,

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in India, like her whole life. And laying in

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front of me, I just heard that God said, look,

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this is your spiritual mother. Beautiful. If

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I can make her to live a life like that, I can

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give you the same life. Beautiful, beautiful.

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Even greater. So I feel I always. feel like I

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was unworthy, but I was so encouraged. And she

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gave me her biography book. And yeah, when I

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returned home, I immediately started reading,

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even on the airplane. I never read an English

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book within one week, but that's the only book

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I read in one week. I read her story about, you

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know, she took the $10 to go to China, go to

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Mongolia, go to Alashan. That's my hometown area.

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So I began to realize that I was her prayer fruit,

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you know. After 20 years, she laid down herself

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in my hometown. I was born, you know. Yeah, she

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told me she had poured out so much tea in my

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hometown, you know. But that, yeah, that's such

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a dark time and no believer in that. I remember

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she said when she was there, You know, sometimes

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being so lonely, she'd just take her accordion

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and sing every song in the book, you know, with

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her accordion. Yeah, because she was so lonely,

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far from home. Yeah, far from home, yeah. Yeah,

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wow. Yeah, so one thing I was so surprised, she

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has such a good memory, you know. She says she's

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that time, 83 or something like that. And she

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can call that person's name even back to 50 years

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ago. I was fascinated. So after that, I realized

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that God wanted me to bring her back to China.

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because she told me China is my first love and

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China is also my last love. So I just really

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feel like I came here for a mission. I was chosen

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to prepare for her. So because of that, I had

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to leave the U .S. because I planned to live

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here for a long time. Then I tried to reapply

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my visa. Mark Bruce, who had to write a book

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for helping me to get a visa. Three times they

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denied. So I realized that God wanted me to go

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back to China. So I went back to China for two

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years, just major preparing for her return to

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China. outpouring, pouring out the Holy Spirit

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again. When 60 years ago, she's an intercessor,

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laid down, giving birth to China. 60 years later,

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and then God used her as like a spiritual mother,

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you know, to raise up all the children and anoint

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them to be Antonian maiden servant to do the

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harvest work. Yes, yes. So that's 2010. Sister

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Granshaw came to you all, you know, came to Beijing.

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And then we had seven men who did this. 40 days

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fast. Wow. So I didn't know any of them. And

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it was God. That meeting, really, God brought

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together 300, you know, all the underground church

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leaders, the orphans, the saints, you know, come

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together. It was beautiful. Yeah, it was beautiful.

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She just preached about it. Oh, she was welcomed

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by the 100 underground church, you know, all

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the peasants. They brought a drum. And the. trumpet.

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So in those days, we haven't got that long trumpet,

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but they got that do, do, do, do, do, that kind

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of trumpet, you know, and they blow the trumpet

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and they beat the drum when the army arrived,

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they came in, that like lift up the gate of China

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in the capital city and welcome her because that

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was God, that really from God recognized who

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she is and she had, you know, poured her heart

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to. In the 1940s. Yeah, 1947. Yeah. So this is

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60 years later. And yeah, so after Beijing, the

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convention, I remember everything she shared

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on the convention is the end time, open a book

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of end time. So remember she talked about the

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revelation, the four horses, you know, chapter

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six and the four horses. Even she said, and I

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never... preached on the four horses in my life.

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It was like open the end time, the scroll. So

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after that, we brought her all the way to Inner

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Mongolia, after Beijing to Inner Mongolia. We

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went to Great War. Everything about taking the

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Chinese Christian to another level. And they

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united their heart through that end time handmaiden,

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the mother's heart. So until we went back to

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find her first mission, you know, in Alashan.

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Yes. Yeah, that little town when she started

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the Bible school for two years. And that was

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another miracle. And we tried to look for the

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school. We saw the school must not exist, you

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know, 60 years. And we have no any clue. Yeah,

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we just settled in the hotel. Then I have a picture

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Sister Granshaw showing me. And she was with

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the early church leader, the Bible school, the

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student. And she and her first husband, they

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were the only white people. So I have seen that

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picture. She brought that picture with her. She

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brought it with her? Yeah. Oh, wow. That's how

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I recognized. Yes. Yeah, that's quite amazing.

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Then I and Peter in that morning when we settled

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down in the hotel, we said, Oh, Lord, direct

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us to find that Bible school and find that church.

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She only told us. She told me this is Pastor

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Gao because when she left Mingxie and she committed

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the Bible college to her student. pastor go.

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He become in charge. She's in charge. You know,

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all the missionary left because Sister Granshaw

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is the last missionary left. Yeah. So, she only

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know he didn't pastor go. So, we get on the text,

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text driver ask, where do you want to go? We

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said, oh, we'll take her to church. He said,

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oh, there's several, three self church, government

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church. Which one do you want to go? We just

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said, any church you lead us, you know. And,

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Then she drove us to one of the churches, and

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we knocked the door. The pastor came out. He

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said, who are you looking for? We said, Pastor

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Gao. He said, I am Pastor Gao. That was God.

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God led you. She led us into his office, and

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I suddenly found the same picture Sister Granshaw

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brought. That picture is on his desk under the

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thick glass. Wow. Wow. It was almost like, wow,

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how much chance you got. We're just pointing

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that. We said, do you know that white lady? He

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said, yes, she's our teacher. Grand, she said,

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grand. She said, how is she? I haven't seen her

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for 60 years. And we said, she's here in this

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town, hotel. He almost jumped. He said, oh, take

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me, take me to see her. Yeah, we just said, we'll

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bring her to this place. We said, where's Bible

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school? He said, here, this is the Bible school.

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So it was still operating as a church? Yes, still

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the Bible school. Wow. We said, wow. 60 years

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later, it's still running. Still Bible. Glory

00:17:08.230 --> 00:17:10.829
to God. Yeah, amazing. He said the communism

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has confiscated, but later on they returned to

00:17:14.869 --> 00:17:18.430
the church. Wow. So everything like restored.

00:17:19.349 --> 00:17:23.670
Glory to God. Wow. We said, oh, in the afternoon,

00:17:23.730 --> 00:17:26.710
something about like 3 o 'clock, we'll come to

00:17:26.710 --> 00:17:29.269
see you. He said, give me a time. I'm going to

00:17:29.269 --> 00:17:33.769
call all these students, all the pastors to come.

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There were about 20. Yeah, 20 of them came. Some

00:17:38.849 --> 00:17:42.069
of them had to take a bus for one or two hours.

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And so, yeah, when they all stood in the yard,

00:17:47.130 --> 00:17:49.569
you know, when Sister Granshaw walked into it,

00:17:51.079 --> 00:17:54.759
me and went up to the, yeah, because they told

00:17:54.759 --> 00:17:59.640
me that they got a piano. Organ. Organ. Nobody

00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:04.259
can play. It was like broken. He said the government

00:18:04.259 --> 00:18:08.380
returned to them a few months ago. It was like

00:18:08.380 --> 00:18:11.700
70 years old, you know. Yeah. They were given

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by the missionary from other countries. Yeah.

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But anyway, he said the grandchild had played

00:18:18.099 --> 00:18:23.400
this. teaching them how to sing songs. And yeah,

00:18:23.519 --> 00:18:27.440
she's a very good musician. So Tommy started

00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:31.400
playing the song, you know, with the organ. Wow.

00:18:31.619 --> 00:18:34.700
So that moment, they just divide appointment

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and Sister Greenshaw came in and... I just remember

00:18:39.170 --> 00:18:42.869
the wind blowing. Everybody stood up. We were

00:18:42.869 --> 00:18:46.789
all in tears. We all cried, you know, just having

00:18:46.789 --> 00:18:51.430
visited after 60 years. And Sister Granshaw just

00:18:51.430 --> 00:18:55.029
asked how the students, my students, are they

00:18:55.029 --> 00:18:59.190
alive? They said no one is missing, no one died,

00:18:59.410 --> 00:19:03.089
no one was killed. They are all alive. They all

00:19:03.089 --> 00:19:06.430
did a great mission work, you know. different

00:19:06.430 --> 00:19:10.849
area, region. And I said, ask this pastor, how

00:19:10.849 --> 00:19:13.730
many church did you plant? He said, oh, several

00:19:13.730 --> 00:19:17.269
hundred. And how many people you minister in

00:19:17.269 --> 00:19:22.369
this area? Oh, he said 60 ,000. Yeah. 60 ,000?

00:19:22.430 --> 00:19:26.170
Yeah. In whole province, you know. Wow. He's

00:19:26.170 --> 00:19:29.549
become like reverend, you know, the leading all

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this. They still sing the old hymn because they

00:19:33.869 --> 00:19:36.950
sing the old song. I know that. Mr. Simpson.

00:19:37.859 --> 00:19:42.039
What is it? Oh, W .W. Simpson. Yeah, W .W. Simpson.

00:19:42.400 --> 00:19:46.559
The songbook he wrote for them. Yeah, I read

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it. I was crying, he said, because in the book

00:19:49.140 --> 00:19:54.240
it says, Ask the Lord, harvest 44 ,000 Chinese,

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or 44 million Chinese. In those days, back to

00:19:58.940 --> 00:20:06.299
1920, 44 million Chinese. And crying. Wow, we

00:20:06.299 --> 00:20:08.509
just said that. It was really amazing. They're

00:20:08.509 --> 00:20:13.420
still seeing his hands. Wow. Wow. Then they have

00:20:13.420 --> 00:20:17.220
so much report. Then I remember Sister Gwen just

00:20:17.220 --> 00:20:21.839
sitting there. Fruit after fruit, fruit after

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fruit. Beautiful. Yeah, so that trip is like

00:20:25.220 --> 00:20:31.099
such a fulfillment. She felt the joy. That's

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why when she returned, she felt like my mission

00:20:33.599 --> 00:20:36.640
had completed. What did they call that? Your

00:20:36.640 --> 00:20:39.599
swan song? Swan song. Swan song. Yeah, her swan

00:20:39.599 --> 00:20:41.299
song tour. That's what she called it. Called

00:20:41.299 --> 00:20:45.230
it. So she started in China, and that was her

00:20:45.230 --> 00:20:48.950
last overseas trip, I think. Yeah, that was it.

00:20:49.349 --> 00:20:52.210
It was right after that, after she got home,

00:20:52.309 --> 00:20:55.309
she started going downhill. Yeah, yeah. We met

00:20:55.309 --> 00:20:58.470
so many Chinese people. They all said, oh, we're

00:20:58.470 --> 00:21:00.769
the end -time handmaidens. We have joined the

00:21:00.769 --> 00:21:03.670
Beijing conference, joined the Xi 'an conference.

00:21:03.809 --> 00:21:06.130
We're all end -time handmaidens. Remember once

00:21:06.130 --> 00:21:11.779
you anointed 500 end -time handmaidens? And a

00:21:11.779 --> 00:21:15.380
peasant, you know. Yes. Wow. After 10 years of

00:21:15.380 --> 00:21:19.180
visiting them, how you say, we're Anton's handmaidens.

00:21:19.319 --> 00:21:23.319
Wow. We want to hear from Mama Grange Shaw. We

00:21:23.319 --> 00:21:28.480
want to, yeah, to know where should we go, you

00:21:28.480 --> 00:21:31.880
know. Wow. Yeah, they're very faithful, dedicated.

00:21:32.440 --> 00:21:36.640
God, you know, using them as a harvest since

00:21:36.640 --> 00:21:42.210
2010. They all become deeper. to censor warrior

00:21:42.210 --> 00:21:46.890
and evangelist planting church all over China.

00:21:47.009 --> 00:21:50.930
Glory to God. Oh, many of them be said to the

00:21:50.930 --> 00:21:53.410
other nation, you know, like Brother Xiang who

00:21:53.410 --> 00:21:56.460
has a... According to our whole group, because

00:21:56.460 --> 00:21:59.240
he's the one pouring out so much finance, you

00:21:59.240 --> 00:22:03.180
know, for almost, he give out all his saving

00:22:03.180 --> 00:22:06.240
money, everything. Yeah, for that trip. And,

00:22:06.460 --> 00:22:09.319
you know, he wanted you guys stay in the five

00:22:09.319 --> 00:22:13.279
-star hotel. He said, we want to honor Mama Grandshaw.

00:22:13.339 --> 00:22:16.799
We want to give her all the best, you know, so.

00:22:17.309 --> 00:22:21.349
They paid, oh, yes, thousands, thousands, thousands

00:22:21.349 --> 00:22:24.869
on that journey. So, but they, God reward them

00:22:24.869 --> 00:22:29.109
so much. Yeah. So now they, God sent them to

00:22:29.109 --> 00:22:32.009
all the Afghanistan, all the Muslim country.

00:22:32.210 --> 00:22:35.470
Actually, God give the Muslim country to them.

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They are also very faithful and time servant.

00:22:40.289 --> 00:22:44.329
They are in the harvest field for, yeah, those

00:22:44.329 --> 00:22:49.440
country. Other people cannot. God gives them

00:22:49.440 --> 00:22:53.819
the permission, authority, anointing. Yeah, wow.

00:22:54.240 --> 00:22:56.779
That's amazing. That's amazing. They can go where

00:22:56.779 --> 00:22:59.519
we can't. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, glory to

00:22:59.519 --> 00:23:02.880
God. That's fantastic. Yeah, God will connect

00:23:02.880 --> 00:23:06.299
us again one day. Yeah. And we'll, I mean, whether

00:23:06.299 --> 00:23:08.900
it's on this planet or when we get to heaven.

00:23:09.099 --> 00:23:12.619
What about the churches we were at, the orphanages?

00:23:12.640 --> 00:23:16.819
That was in 2012. Anhui province. Anhui province.

00:23:17.000 --> 00:23:20.420
Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's another fantastic story.

00:23:20.440 --> 00:23:25.019
Remember that the orphan in, yeah, we raised

00:23:25.019 --> 00:23:28.900
up almost over 100 orphans. And the one -child

00:23:28.900 --> 00:23:34.140
policy created so many homeless children, abandoned

00:23:34.140 --> 00:23:38.259
baby. Yeah. Yeah. So the three families, three

00:23:38.259 --> 00:23:40.740
pastors, they pick up their children from the

00:23:40.740 --> 00:23:44.680
street, from the rubbish bin. Or some people

00:23:44.680 --> 00:23:47.339
brought that baby to that door. It's really,

00:23:47.480 --> 00:23:50.220
you know, heartbreaking story. Especially special

00:23:50.220 --> 00:23:53.160
needs children and girls. Yeah, and the girls.

00:23:53.240 --> 00:23:56.380
And also someone has, you know, the paralyzed,

00:23:56.980 --> 00:24:01.019
yeah, and the sickness, you know. Yeah, the parents

00:24:01.019 --> 00:24:04.700
can't afford having that sick baby. Right. So

00:24:04.700 --> 00:24:08.180
they can't send to anybody else. Nobody wanted.

00:24:08.259 --> 00:24:14.059
So they put it at the door past the jail. He's

00:24:14.059 --> 00:24:17.440
the one. He raised up. He probably received a

00:24:17.440 --> 00:24:20.839
hundred of them, even by himself. Some of them

00:24:20.839 --> 00:24:23.619
died. Part of the reason I came to the U .S.

00:24:23.619 --> 00:24:27.960
is because God rescued my son, Moses, because

00:24:27.960 --> 00:24:30.859
Moses was also the second child. We were not

00:24:30.859 --> 00:24:34.059
allowed to have him in China. So that's where

00:24:34.059 --> 00:24:38.920
God opened the miracle gate in 2001. I escaped

00:24:38.920 --> 00:24:42.569
from China and went to New Zealand. for rescue

00:24:42.569 --> 00:24:45.349
Moses' life. That's why God gave him the name

00:24:45.349 --> 00:24:48.670
Moses. So because of that, God gave me a burden,

00:24:48.769 --> 00:24:52.349
a heart to rescue. He said, I rescued your child.

00:24:52.430 --> 00:24:55.690
Now you can rescue many Chinese children. Oh,

00:24:55.690 --> 00:24:59.269
beautiful. Yeah, I started that ministry right

00:24:59.269 --> 00:25:03.190
at the start of 2003. I met the three pastors,

00:25:03.210 --> 00:25:06.089
and actually we were having an underground church

00:25:06.089 --> 00:25:09.230
gathering, leadership gathering. Yeah, I saw

00:25:09.230 --> 00:25:12.400
some of the elderly men. like a 60 -year -old,

00:25:12.460 --> 00:25:16.259
hold a five -year -old girl. I said, your granddaughter?

00:25:16.539 --> 00:25:18.740
No, no, my daughter. I said, how did it come?

00:25:18.819 --> 00:25:21.660
He said, oh, I picked her up from the street.

00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:25.819
Abandoned baby, I raised him. Then the next day,

00:25:25.859 --> 00:25:30.059
they show me the baby lying at the city gate,

00:25:30.220 --> 00:25:35.099
at the city council's gate. That baby lying on

00:25:35.099 --> 00:25:38.009
the ground. That's making me heartbroken, you

00:25:38.009 --> 00:25:40.869
know. Sure. Some of the baby, maybe somebody

00:25:40.869 --> 00:25:44.410
pick up. Some of the baby, if not good, they

00:25:44.410 --> 00:25:48.130
just gradually died on the ground. So that night

00:25:48.130 --> 00:25:52.289
I said. I cry out. I call the pastor. We need

00:25:52.289 --> 00:25:54.970
to pick up all the children. You know, we need

00:25:54.970 --> 00:25:59.269
to. Then three pastors respond. Pastor Gal, Pastor

00:25:59.269 --> 00:26:03.450
Joe. Yeah, and two Pastor Joe. The other Pastor

00:26:03.450 --> 00:26:06.650
Joe is not a pastor. He just retired. He said,

00:26:06.750 --> 00:26:10.710
I'm retired. Now my brother is a pastor. I'm

00:26:10.710 --> 00:26:14.450
ignorant. I don't know how to preach. But God

00:26:14.450 --> 00:26:18.890
said, look after my little one. So that's his

00:26:18.890 --> 00:26:25.549
start of nature. He's raising up about 70. Wow.

00:26:25.609 --> 00:26:29.670
Yeah. So God gives them different. So the pastor

00:26:29.670 --> 00:26:32.549
Zhao, the first one, he got the most difficult

00:26:32.549 --> 00:26:35.650
children, all the babies, the handicapped, the

00:26:35.650 --> 00:26:38.710
paralyzed, you know, because my heart was so

00:26:38.710 --> 00:26:42.289
burning. This baby need to go to hospital. And

00:26:42.289 --> 00:26:47.250
each baby needed 10 ,000 yuan to be received

00:26:47.250 --> 00:26:51.380
for the treatment. 10 ,000 yuan. Yeah, 10 ,000

00:26:51.380 --> 00:27:10.069
yuan. What is that in American money? 1 ,300

00:27:10.069 --> 00:27:13.450
U .S. dollars. 1 ,300 U .S. dollars just to be

00:27:13.450 --> 00:27:16.470
able to get the child into the hospital. Yeah.

00:27:16.609 --> 00:27:21.009
Oh, those days in 2000, it's very evil, very

00:27:21.009 --> 00:27:25.829
cruel. They seen the pastor like begging them,

00:27:25.930 --> 00:27:29.190
kneeling on the floor, please rescue this baby.

00:27:29.289 --> 00:27:31.849
He said, it's none of your business. You should

00:27:31.849 --> 00:27:34.869
keep our government policy, you know. Oh, wow.

00:27:35.069 --> 00:27:37.839
You can't receive that baby. It's not yours.

00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:41.440
You don't have permission. Yeah, this kind of,

00:27:41.460 --> 00:27:45.000
you know, people are so deceived. Their hearts

00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:48.619
are cold. They don't have Jesus. That's the problem.

00:27:48.700 --> 00:27:51.720
That's right. The reason I tried to raise up

00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:54.200
funding in New Zealand, very difficult, you know.

00:27:54.259 --> 00:27:57.279
So that's part of the reason I began to understand

00:27:57.279 --> 00:28:01.420
why God brought me to U .S. and to Midland Odessa.

00:28:01.480 --> 00:28:06.119
Because Midland Odessa has lots of wealthy people.

00:28:06.259 --> 00:28:10.400
They support the charity. Their company has their

00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:14.480
own charity company. So I started recruiting

00:28:14.480 --> 00:28:19.049
the right people to support. The orphanage. So,

00:28:19.089 --> 00:28:22.269
yeah, very thankful for American people. And

00:28:22.269 --> 00:28:25.289
the part, Sister Granshaw had also helping me.

00:28:25.329 --> 00:28:28.250
Remember, she went to Odessa, Midland, just majored

00:28:28.250 --> 00:28:31.589
for raising up funds for the orphanage. I remember

00:28:31.589 --> 00:28:35.019
that. Yeah. So after this, how many years, 15

00:28:35.019 --> 00:28:38.859
years later, or during that time, we just, you

00:28:38.859 --> 00:28:42.680
know, sent missionaries from America, from New

00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:45.819
Zealand, go to take care of all these orphans.

00:28:45.859 --> 00:28:50.500
We hold summer camps every year, baptize all

00:28:50.500 --> 00:28:54.440
their children. Eventually, more than 100 children

00:28:54.440 --> 00:28:58.359
survived, and some died, you know. Some of them,

00:28:58.359 --> 00:29:03.329
just government robbed them. Yeah, stealing them.

00:29:03.609 --> 00:29:06.410
Because the three orphanages are illegal. Yeah,

00:29:06.470 --> 00:29:09.769
government has done. So the government has some

00:29:09.769 --> 00:29:12.630
orphanages, right? Oh, yeah, government has orphanages,

00:29:12.630 --> 00:29:15.930
but it's like communism, you know. Yeah, totally.

00:29:16.430 --> 00:29:19.130
So these illegal orphanages were teaching the

00:29:19.130 --> 00:29:21.690
children about Jesus. I remember their faces

00:29:21.690 --> 00:29:25.740
being so. Sweet and glowing with the joy of the

00:29:25.740 --> 00:29:27.420
Lord. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because they're growing

00:29:27.420 --> 00:29:30.759
up with Jesus in every orphanage and the pastor,

00:29:30.900 --> 00:29:33.319
the father, they call them, the papa teaching

00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:37.380
mama, teaching them Jesus and the praying. Yeah,

00:29:37.500 --> 00:29:39.900
there's so much miracle in the orphanage during

00:29:39.900 --> 00:29:42.259
that group because they have to hide, you know.

00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:46.269
Yeah, they're very... living like underground

00:29:46.269 --> 00:29:49.490
totally. But they kind of tell people we have

00:29:49.490 --> 00:29:51.930
a need, you know, that's right. They keep everything

00:29:51.930 --> 00:29:56.269
quiet. So that's why they're just training that

00:29:56.269 --> 00:29:59.890
faith. They pray. He says sometimes people throw

00:29:59.890 --> 00:30:05.849
a bag of flour, you know, to the wall. That's

00:30:05.849 --> 00:30:08.910
kind of, yeah, then sometimes they hunger, they

00:30:08.910 --> 00:30:12.829
just fast. Yeah, so nowadays, last year we went

00:30:12.829 --> 00:30:16.450
to See, one of the orphanages, yeah, Papa Zhao,

00:30:16.650 --> 00:30:20.210
he's already 83 years old now. He still has two

00:30:20.210 --> 00:30:25.390
young orphans, and they are like 13, 14, because

00:30:25.390 --> 00:30:28.930
they pick them up. One pick up from rubbish bin,

00:30:29.069 --> 00:30:34.250
another pick up from the toilet. Yeah, so they're

00:30:34.250 --> 00:30:37.710
too young. But all the other children, half of

00:30:37.710 --> 00:30:39.809
the children came back home because he said,

00:30:39.970 --> 00:30:42.750
Oh, Auntie, come back to us. I haven't seen them

00:30:42.750 --> 00:30:45.789
for years. So they all tried, you know, some

00:30:45.789 --> 00:30:49.549
take a train for 20 hours, 30 hours. They come

00:30:49.549 --> 00:30:54.150
to see me. I was just so amazed. All these young

00:30:54.150 --> 00:30:58.210
children, they still love Jesus, still have that

00:30:58.210 --> 00:31:02.289
shining, kind face. Beautiful. They do everything,

00:31:02.450 --> 00:31:05.789
you know. Very humble. They're doing very well

00:31:05.789 --> 00:31:09.509
whenever they're doing the work. The boss gives

00:31:09.509 --> 00:31:13.049
them a high praise. And a lot of them are already

00:31:13.049 --> 00:31:17.170
married and have children. So every year they

00:31:17.170 --> 00:31:20.750
come home for a reunion. They still regard Papa

00:31:20.750 --> 00:31:24.750
Joe's house as their home. Every Chinese New

00:31:24.750 --> 00:31:28.490
Year they come home. They bought so many stuff.

00:31:28.849 --> 00:31:34.480
He had chicken. sheep and the clothes. He said,

00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:37.460
before, you know, the papa and mama tried very

00:31:37.460 --> 00:31:41.660
hard to buy clothes for them. So now, he said,

00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:45.539
children brought so many clothes for us. We're

00:31:45.539 --> 00:31:48.920
too old. We don't need the clothes, but they

00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:53.880
still buy for us. Yeah, we had a wonderful gathering.

00:31:54.779 --> 00:31:59.750
Wow. Praise the Lord. God is faithful. Well,

00:31:59.789 --> 00:32:03.549
thank God. Thank God. Yeah, he's so faithful.

00:32:03.789 --> 00:32:07.289
His father was an orphan. Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely.

00:32:08.650 --> 00:32:13.210
So tell us just a little bit about how you and

00:32:13.210 --> 00:32:16.970
Lois grew up. Oh, yeah. You were in a communist

00:32:16.970 --> 00:32:19.910
nation, and your father was in the military,

00:32:20.029 --> 00:32:22.390
wasn't he? Yeah, that's right. Yeah, we grew

00:32:22.390 --> 00:32:27.119
up in the Mongolia Gobi Desert. And Mawusu is

00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:32.799
half desert, half grassland. And my father served

00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:37.049
in the Mongolia horse troop. And he's like a

00:32:37.049 --> 00:32:39.730
commander, yeah, colonel, something like that.

00:32:39.869 --> 00:32:44.470
And my mom is a nurse. So when I was born, the

00:32:44.470 --> 00:32:47.369
year of the Cultural Revolution just about started.

00:32:47.450 --> 00:32:51.170
Oh, wow. Yeah, so they were too busy to look

00:32:51.170 --> 00:32:53.309
after. They had no time to take care of children.

00:32:53.470 --> 00:32:56.410
So they said all the children, I was the first

00:32:56.410 --> 00:33:00.589
born. And to where my grandmother lived. So my

00:33:00.589 --> 00:33:04.369
grandmother lived in the rural desert, you know.

00:33:04.779 --> 00:33:10.259
We like 10 miles away see one house. Yeah, muddy

00:33:10.259 --> 00:33:13.559
house. We live in the mud. Everything made by

00:33:13.559 --> 00:33:18.759
mud. Mud bed, you know. Wow. Yeah. So we grew

00:33:18.759 --> 00:33:24.000
up in a very isolated desert. You didn't know

00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:27.599
Jesus at all. No, no. Yeah. No exposure. Yeah.

00:33:27.859 --> 00:33:33.140
But God is there. Yes, he's always there. He

00:33:33.140 --> 00:33:37.700
knows me. So he actually, God raised us up. So

00:33:37.700 --> 00:33:42.470
he gave us. pure environment. And we don't have

00:33:42.470 --> 00:33:45.569
TV. We grew up, we don't have any kind of the

00:33:45.569 --> 00:33:49.470
worldly thing. Everything handmade. So my grandparents

00:33:49.470 --> 00:33:53.589
teach us how to work. Yeah. Four years old, start

00:33:53.589 --> 00:33:56.950
working the farm because they have sheep, horse,

00:33:57.130 --> 00:34:00.650
and cow, and chicken, and all the animal. And

00:34:00.650 --> 00:34:04.549
it doesn't, like Israel, they seldom rain. So

00:34:04.549 --> 00:34:08.409
we have to carry the water from the well to...

00:34:08.429 --> 00:34:12.610
water the crop and for the animals food you know

00:34:12.610 --> 00:34:16.349
even for our food our food is totally from the

00:34:16.349 --> 00:34:20.329
field we planted in the winter autumn we need

00:34:20.329 --> 00:34:24.250
to learn how to store and the food and underground

00:34:24.250 --> 00:34:29.090
so very self -sufficient you know and we wear

00:34:29.090 --> 00:34:31.570
the clothes that all my grandparents made for

00:34:31.570 --> 00:34:34.889
us My grandparents, in the night, they were knitting,

00:34:35.150 --> 00:34:38.369
keeping knitting the sweater, the thing, because

00:34:38.369 --> 00:34:41.670
in the winter, it's so cold, minus 40 degrees.

00:34:42.030 --> 00:34:47.969
Oh, that's very cold. And the Siberian wind blowing.

00:34:48.730 --> 00:34:51.389
In the winter, you're almost impossible to go

00:34:51.389 --> 00:34:55.670
outside. The wind can, the sand. In the winter,

00:34:55.829 --> 00:34:58.670
we have to overcome the coldness, you know, by

00:34:58.670 --> 00:35:03.659
putting on so many sheepskin. The cotton clothes

00:35:03.659 --> 00:35:06.559
and the sheep skin, everybody look like a sheep.

00:35:08.860 --> 00:35:14.280
So that's how we hardly, you know, have a bath

00:35:14.280 --> 00:35:17.820
or shower, nothing. Only in the spring, summertime

00:35:17.820 --> 00:35:21.980
come, we love to have a wash in the hot, hot

00:35:21.980 --> 00:35:26.619
summertime, you know. But because we live in

00:35:26.619 --> 00:35:29.139
the desert, the desert is quite clean, you know.

00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:33.050
Living in the desert, Dry, dry area. Yeah, very

00:35:33.050 --> 00:35:37.559
dry, our skin very dry, yeah. So, yeah, we learned

00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:42.360
how to, you know, milk the cows and dig in. We

00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:45.179
always teaching us to do double job. You know,

00:35:45.179 --> 00:35:48.599
for example, like five, six years old, the grandparents

00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:52.579
said you to be the shepherd boy, shepherd girl,

00:35:52.780 --> 00:35:55.719
you know, to look after the sheep and look after

00:35:55.719 --> 00:35:59.079
the cow. Another way, everybody carried a basket.

00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:04.199
You need to dig out the weed for the pig. In

00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:07.380
the sunset, we came home, we ride on the cows

00:36:07.380 --> 00:36:12.460
and carried a heavy basket of the pig food. Wow.

00:36:12.820 --> 00:36:17.639
So that's kind of like my sister, she's eight

00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:21.059
years old, carry the bucket of water, you know.

00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:24.260
That's why she always complains that I didn't

00:36:24.260 --> 00:36:28.739
grow tall because I always carry the heavy water

00:36:28.739 --> 00:36:33.980
on my shoulder. Yeah, my grandmother has, you

00:36:33.980 --> 00:36:36.639
know, the tiny feet. Oh, she had bound feet?

00:36:36.679 --> 00:36:40.000
Yeah, bound feet. Oh, she's poor, my grandmother.

00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:43.429
Every night she has to... Unwrap, you know, so

00:36:43.429 --> 00:36:46.610
painful, you know. In the daytime, she almost

00:36:46.610 --> 00:36:50.349
kneel on the floor to work, you know. Day and

00:36:50.349 --> 00:36:53.769
night. Yeah, but we feel the tremendous love

00:36:53.769 --> 00:36:57.349
from my grandparents, you know. We learn so much

00:36:57.349 --> 00:37:00.510
from them. My grandparents all have very righteous

00:37:00.510 --> 00:37:03.929
character, you know. Yeah. Yeah, diligent, righteous,

00:37:03.969 --> 00:37:08.309
and generous. Our home is open for every stranger.

00:37:08.690 --> 00:37:11.630
Wow. You know, we welcome anybody. they come

00:37:11.630 --> 00:37:15.789
home, they always have hot tea. We even have

00:37:15.789 --> 00:37:19.530
just one room, one mud bed, you know, like half

00:37:19.530 --> 00:37:22.650
of this room. So everybody has a corner, you

00:37:22.650 --> 00:37:26.510
know, sleep put on your, you know, the wool carpet.

00:37:27.230 --> 00:37:30.030
Mm -hmm. So everybody had the wool carpet you

00:37:30.030 --> 00:37:33.230
rolled up in the daytime. Oh, yeah. In the night,

00:37:33.250 --> 00:37:36.489
you lay down. So that keep you warm. Wow. Yeah.

00:37:36.489 --> 00:37:39.929
So the one by one, everybody, oh, even we got

00:37:39.929 --> 00:37:45.170
a stranger come, they had a room to sleep. Wow.

00:37:45.889 --> 00:37:51.989
That kind of life. That's amazing. Yeah. Yeah,

00:37:52.070 --> 00:37:56.469
so. After my childhood, until up to nine years

00:37:56.469 --> 00:37:59.989
old, and I went, we all returned to a military

00:37:59.989 --> 00:38:03.429
camp. So we live in the military camp. That is

00:38:03.429 --> 00:38:06.610
another community life. So we always grew up

00:38:06.610 --> 00:38:10.610
in the community, and the child in the community.

00:38:11.010 --> 00:38:15.050
Then in the military camp, we like a hundred

00:38:15.050 --> 00:38:17.610
people living together in the camp, you know,

00:38:17.630 --> 00:38:21.650
all the officers, the soldiers, and the families.

00:38:22.769 --> 00:38:26.090
have a meal together, you know, yeah, many times

00:38:26.090 --> 00:38:30.110
we share the big meal, you know, or like kibbutz,

00:38:30.150 --> 00:38:33.230
you know, the way. So we share everything equally.

00:38:33.369 --> 00:38:37.289
Like children in the summer, we go to our military

00:38:37.289 --> 00:38:40.530
garden, you know, they plant so much vegetable.

00:38:40.789 --> 00:38:44.570
So our job is to gather that vegetable and then

00:38:44.570 --> 00:38:48.710
put it into the basket and put it at everybody's

00:38:48.710 --> 00:38:52.079
door. So then it has to be the same amount. So

00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:54.880
you're sharing everything. Yeah, yeah, we share

00:38:54.880 --> 00:38:57.800
everything. A little bit of, you know, molding

00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:01.460
our character. Sure. Yeah, generously share with

00:39:01.460 --> 00:39:04.619
others. The only problem with communism is that

00:39:04.619 --> 00:39:07.500
they've left out Jesus. They've left out God.

00:39:07.699 --> 00:39:10.320
Yeah, yeah. Because communism itself is very

00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:12.340
much like the book of Acts where you share everything.

00:39:12.559 --> 00:39:14.599
Yeah, you share everything. But you've got to

00:39:14.599 --> 00:39:16.739
have the Holy Spirit. Otherwise, it doesn't work.

00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:21.179
Yeah. Otherwise, what's yours is mine. And what's

00:39:21.179 --> 00:39:24.639
mine is mine. Yeah, exactly. But in those days,

00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:28.139
they work out. I think God working because the

00:39:28.139 --> 00:39:32.199
principle about very sacrificial teaching, all

00:39:32.199 --> 00:39:34.639
of us live a sacrificial life. Yeah, because

00:39:34.639 --> 00:39:37.699
those soldiers, you know, who died for liberation

00:39:37.699 --> 00:39:40.539
of the communism, you know, before the Chinese

00:39:40.539 --> 00:39:43.360
people live such a terrible life. Those soldiers

00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:46.980
died for us. So the people have that kind of

00:39:46.980 --> 00:39:51.260
dying for one another, you know. Yeah. So yeah,

00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:55.230
much, much less. less of a selfishness than today.

00:39:55.409 --> 00:39:57.630
You know, in those days, we always think about

00:39:57.630 --> 00:40:01.130
others. We want others best, you know. Yeah,

00:40:01.269 --> 00:40:05.469
so when coming to, then suddenly China changed.

00:40:05.929 --> 00:40:09.550
Yeah, before China emphasized on labor education,

00:40:10.190 --> 00:40:13.190
cultural revolution is everything about labor

00:40:13.190 --> 00:40:16.710
education, you know, all the intellectual growing

00:40:16.710 --> 00:40:19.570
pride. So they've been sent to the country to

00:40:19.570 --> 00:40:22.900
do the labor job. So the peasant is like, best.

00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:25.579
If you are peasant, you're the highest position

00:40:25.579 --> 00:40:29.940
in China. Wow. Yeah. If you have money, wow,

00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:34.239
you look down upon. So everybody very proud of

00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:39.130
I'm a poor or I'm a... Wow. Yeah. So because

00:40:39.130 --> 00:40:41.949
our family come from peasant, you know, situation.

00:40:42.070 --> 00:40:44.989
So my father, that's why he has been promoted.

00:40:45.170 --> 00:40:47.590
Because my father also very great character,

00:40:47.909 --> 00:40:51.949
you know, leading by integrity. So he was promoted.

00:40:52.329 --> 00:40:55.630
And all these officers in the military camp are

00:40:55.630 --> 00:40:59.030
very good character. They like a Christian or

00:40:59.030 --> 00:41:02.230
more than, you know, they self, they set up very

00:41:02.230 --> 00:41:05.610
good example for all of us, you know, always.

00:41:06.190 --> 00:41:10.269
working for others. So anyway, we started school,

00:41:10.510 --> 00:41:15.030
and China's education changed from a laboring

00:41:15.030 --> 00:41:19.210
education to intellectual education, so intellectual

00:41:19.210 --> 00:41:23.650
type. So everybody needs to study very hard.

00:41:23.809 --> 00:41:27.010
So we all study very, very hard because we're

00:41:27.010 --> 00:41:29.690
always very obedient, you know, like best children

00:41:29.690 --> 00:41:34.289
or best students. So we always want to do the

00:41:34.289 --> 00:41:37.340
best. You know, that's from our parents, grandparents.

00:41:37.820 --> 00:41:41.599
So I become like a top student in all my school,

00:41:41.739 --> 00:41:45.539
primary school, intermediate, high school. So

00:41:45.539 --> 00:41:49.400
eventually I went to the top law university in

00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:51.659
China. Law? Yeah, law. Oh, I don't think I knew

00:41:51.659 --> 00:41:54.199
that. That university is training for government

00:41:54.199 --> 00:41:57.300
official, you know. Okay. Yeah, and to making

00:41:57.300 --> 00:42:00.980
the law or serving the law and to training to

00:42:00.980 --> 00:42:05.539
be a judge or lawyer. very high position. So

00:42:05.539 --> 00:42:09.039
this is a chosen, you know, maybe one among thousand

00:42:09.039 --> 00:42:11.960
students you've been chosen. So I was chosen,

00:42:12.360 --> 00:42:16.199
you know, and to serve the communism law, you

00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:19.119
know, serve our government, you know. Yeah. And

00:42:19.119 --> 00:42:22.599
she passed the high examination. She was the

00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:26.579
first master degree graduate from the banking

00:42:26.579 --> 00:42:29.440
because that time China started economic, you

00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:32.780
know, Deng Xiaoping time in 1980, especially.

00:42:33.360 --> 00:42:35.300
you know, when relationship between America and

00:42:35.300 --> 00:42:39.099
China restored, that like a business started,

00:42:39.179 --> 00:42:42.900
you know, economic time. So he was, she was the

00:42:42.900 --> 00:42:46.340
first graduate or master degree student from

00:42:46.340 --> 00:42:51.480
her banking. 一样的 ,我的本科和研究生专业是一样的。 Yeah ,就是banking嘛,

00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:57.190
yeah. So, yeah, but when I... achieved that level,

00:42:57.530 --> 00:43:00.510
but I suddenly feel when I was at university,

00:43:00.909 --> 00:43:05.449
I lost my goal. I don't know what is next for

00:43:05.449 --> 00:43:10.070
me to achieve. And also, I'm tired of driving

00:43:10.070 --> 00:43:14.110
myself so hard. You know, I suddenly feel I'm

00:43:14.110 --> 00:43:18.039
seeking for the meaning of my life. Yeah. Why

00:43:18.039 --> 00:43:21.940
I'm on the earth. Why if I'm living just for

00:43:21.940 --> 00:43:24.820
working, it's like those days Chinese people

00:43:24.820 --> 00:43:27.699
had to work always Chinese people. But they don't

00:43:27.699 --> 00:43:32.400
have happiness, don't have joy. Yeah. Yeah. Just

00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:36.500
like sleep, you know. Yeah. So I started searching

00:43:36.500 --> 00:43:39.519
the meaning of the life. I went to all the library

00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:42.980
and study. And part of the reason I study English,

00:43:43.039 --> 00:43:46.780
I want to go overseas. So I chose two. I did

00:43:46.780 --> 00:43:49.539
a double bachelor, one the law, one the English.

00:43:49.739 --> 00:43:53.039
I want to go overseas. I want to search in the

00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:56.599
truth, go to the Western country. You know, that's

00:43:56.599 --> 00:44:02.480
my goal. And when I was so lost, I just so depressed

00:44:02.480 --> 00:44:06.639
because one day, one of my friend, classmate,

00:44:06.699 --> 00:44:10.500
she committed suicide. And she threw herself

00:44:10.500 --> 00:44:15.539
from 13 high building. I cried. I feel like I

00:44:15.539 --> 00:44:19.000
want to follow her. You know, I feel so meaningless,

00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:22.840
you know. Oh, just like a book of Ecclesiastes,

00:44:22.900 --> 00:44:26.340
you know. Empty, empty, empty, empty. Right.

00:44:26.559 --> 00:44:30.179
Yeah. Then God know. And then one day that would,

00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:35.000
yeah. That time already we got, I only very interested

00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:38.039
in learning English and also communicate with

00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:41.360
my English teacher. So one day we got an English

00:44:41.360 --> 00:44:44.300
teacher. She's a different English teacher. When

00:44:44.300 --> 00:44:48.300
she walk into the room, I saw her face gloomy

00:44:48.300 --> 00:44:51.559
with the light. I didn't know what that. Then

00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:55.400
she smiled like angel. Then I realized every...

00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:58.760
Teacher different, she's always teaching us with

00:44:58.760 --> 00:45:02.980
a smile on her face. She's so happy. I just want

00:45:02.980 --> 00:45:07.780
to know why she's so happy. Then I become very

00:45:07.780 --> 00:45:11.840
close to her, and then she brought me to government

00:45:11.840 --> 00:45:15.940
church. Before that, I don't know any church.

00:45:16.059 --> 00:45:18.820
I don't know Bible. I don't know Jesus at all.

00:45:18.880 --> 00:45:22.400
Never heard about it. So when I remember when

00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:25.280
I walk into the Three -Self Church, it was singing,

00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:31.460
What a good friend of Jesus. Wow, that choir

00:45:31.460 --> 00:45:36.260
singing. You know what? Tears pouring out like

00:45:36.260 --> 00:45:40.079
rain. I cried for, non -stop crying for three

00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:43.159
days. I believe that's born again, you know.

00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:46.699
I just, everywhere I go, I cried. I just saw

00:45:46.699 --> 00:45:50.519
the beautiful flower, everything beautiful, you

00:45:50.519 --> 00:45:54.199
know. That's such a born -again spirit. I never

00:45:54.199 --> 00:45:58.639
forgot. So, yeah, so immediately after I have

00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:01.900
it. great passion want to learn bible so god

00:46:01.900 --> 00:46:05.159
brought so many american missionary to me to

00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:09.099
teach me bible german missionary australian missionary

00:46:09.099 --> 00:46:12.260
anyway i don't know how they just come to my

00:46:12.260 --> 00:46:17.619
life suddenly like yeah and my life I found a

00:46:17.619 --> 00:46:21.900
meaning. I found a joy. I began to laugh like

00:46:21.900 --> 00:46:26.099
them, you know. Tremendous change. Then I received,

00:46:26.360 --> 00:46:29.119
at the same time that God, Jesus, given me a

00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:32.380
calling, I read all these early disciples. Jesus

00:46:32.380 --> 00:46:34.619
said, come follow me. I'll make you fishmen.

00:46:35.260 --> 00:46:39.380
I just cannot help denying it. I said, Jesus,

00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:43.380
you call me to be a fishman? You call me to follow

00:46:43.380 --> 00:46:48.619
you? And eventually. When I graduated in 1987,

00:46:49.099 --> 00:46:53.900
or 88, I graduated from my double major, and

00:46:53.900 --> 00:46:57.980
I have opportunity to remain at my university

00:46:57.980 --> 00:47:04.579
to become a law teacher. Yeah, so teaching the

00:47:04.579 --> 00:47:07.739
law in English, that kind of position they give

00:47:07.739 --> 00:47:10.559
to me, and you can have a good salary, you can

00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:14.440
have a... Beijing citizenship, you know, it's

00:47:14.440 --> 00:47:16.940
very hard to get Beijing citizenship like get

00:47:16.940 --> 00:47:20.519
a Roman citizenship, you know. The highest citizenship

00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:25.260
in China. But I just keep feeling like God calling

00:47:25.260 --> 00:47:27.599
me and God brought me to underground church.

00:47:27.760 --> 00:47:31.519
All these saints, you know, they just come out

00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:34.559
of the prison, you know. Wang Mingdao's disciples,

00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:40.269
they... They've been in prison 20 years. So they've

00:47:40.269 --> 00:47:43.250
just been released. I was, you know, by accident,

00:47:43.269 --> 00:47:46.429
I was brought to their meeting. It's like, wow,

00:47:46.809 --> 00:47:49.650
you know, later I realized they are like passing

00:47:49.650 --> 00:47:52.389
on their anointing to us, you know, like mental,

00:47:52.750 --> 00:47:57.510
they mentally are. So I just cannot deny God

00:47:57.510 --> 00:48:00.960
calling me to serve him. Give up everything,

00:48:01.360 --> 00:48:05.440
you know. Jesus keeps saying, you know, and deny

00:48:05.440 --> 00:48:09.880
yourself, take up your cross to follow me. pay

00:48:09.880 --> 00:48:13.920
the price. So I decided to give up my job, give

00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:18.599
up my career to follow Jesus. But I didn't realize

00:48:18.599 --> 00:48:23.440
that cost me so much. I got no job, no place

00:48:23.440 --> 00:48:26.679
to stay. I just want to go to Bible college.

00:48:26.860 --> 00:48:29.760
But for going to Bible college, I have to...

00:48:30.430 --> 00:48:34.610
live in nowhere, had no money, nothing for four

00:48:34.610 --> 00:48:37.969
or five years. But God said, I am your Bible

00:48:37.969 --> 00:48:41.269
college. He started training me and using me

00:48:41.269 --> 00:48:44.809
as evangelist. So that time I got such a zeal

00:48:44.809 --> 00:48:48.409
to preach gospel. I preached and built up the

00:48:48.409 --> 00:48:51.590
university fellowship, the first fellowship in

00:48:51.590 --> 00:48:54.989
university. Wow. Yeah, later I went back to my

00:48:54.989 --> 00:48:59.190
school, my university. They have so many become

00:48:59.190 --> 00:49:02.530
Christian. Glory to God. Yeah, even today they

00:49:02.530 --> 00:49:05.650
still, the fellowship become a church, underground

00:49:05.650 --> 00:49:10.760
church. Wow. So, Annie, I want to say thank you

00:49:10.760 --> 00:49:13.900
for sharing this part of your story with us.

00:49:13.980 --> 00:49:16.840
And we're going to continue in the next episode

00:49:16.840 --> 00:49:21.559
sharing with your sister's story. Lois has such

00:49:21.559 --> 00:49:25.800
an amazing story about being in prison in China.

00:49:30.519 --> 00:49:33.920
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