(270) “From Rejection to an Anointing for Compassion” with James Watene

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I got so low at one stage in my life that I even

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considered suicide. Because of all that has happened,

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I became a loner. No one could get close to me.

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I wouldn't let anyone get close to me. But I

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got desperate. And one night I was saying, you

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know, how come I'm so lonely? Why isn't anyone

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with me? That's it, mate. The Lord said, I've

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always been here. God promises in Joel 2 .28

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to pour out His Spirit on all humanity. Welcome

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to global outpouring, where we contend for that

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promised outpouring, we equip for that outpouring,

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so that we may engage in that very outpouring.

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I'm Philip Buss. And I'm Sharon Buss. Welcome

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to the podcast today. We have with us yet another

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friend from the ends of the earth, from New Zealand,

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one of these wonderful Maori. people that have

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had just a mighty move of the Holy Spirit in

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their tribe for a long, long time. And this one

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is called Papa James or Papa Jim, James Watene.

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And he is going to share with us his testimony

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of how he started out as a child known by the

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name of Boy. He didn't even know he had a name.

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His mother just called him Boy. and how he grew

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up and God has been using him in a powerful way,

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where he has come from this place of rejection

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into an anointing of compassion. Thanks so much

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be a wonderful way to Stay in touch. Well, our

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brother James Watene, we just are delighted to

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have you with us. We've had the last two episodes

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have been with some of your friends, Sandy and

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Princess Jensen and Richard and Sarah Tito. And

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they've been telling us that you have some amazing

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stories. So we wanted to hear from you also about

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things that God is doing in New Zealand and things

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that he's done in your life. So welcome to the

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Global Outpouring Podcast. Thank you. Thank you.

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First of all, let me offer my praise and my thanks

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to my Father in Heaven who has enabled me to

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leave my country of birth and provide. For He

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is the God of provision. He is the God who has

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covered me with His glory and His love. So all

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praise and glory must go to Him initially. So

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thank you. Thank you for your welcome. Oh, that's

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sweet. I love that. So you were telling me before

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we got started with the recording that... In

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order for you to get your passport, you had to

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get your birth certificate. That's right. That's

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true. And you made a discovery that you've been

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called by names that weren't given to you initially.

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Yeah, absolutely. Tell us about it. I'm still

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getting over it. All my life I've been known

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by two other names. My first one when I was a

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child. My mother gave me the name Boy. I don't

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know whether it was meant as punishment, but

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when she called out Boy, I knew it was me she

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wanted to see. Then when I started school, somewhere

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the name Jim, James came up. I don't know who

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started it, but right through the age of my adult

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life, I was known as either Jim or James, Jim

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preferably. Upon discovering that, or being persuaded

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by Father that this was a necessary part of my

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journey with him, I had to apply for my birth

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certificate to get a passport. And so I duly

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did it and discovered that wasn't my name. That's

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incredible. Wow, shocking, shocking. Absolutely

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shocking. And the person behind the counter said,

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no, that's not me because that's not my name.

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And it is, sir, that is your name. And I said,

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oh. Well, that's very shocking. And so for about

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80 years, you've been going by the wrong name.

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I mean, even now I don't use the name Parni because

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I'm so used to being called Jim or James. So

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Parni is just something that's on my driver's

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license, my passport, and that's it. But before

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that, were you using... Jim. You were using Jim

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on your driver's license? Yep, James. Wow. Wow.

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So, Pani Miri Miri Wateni... That's me. ...is

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your real name. Yep, that's me in the flesh.

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So what does that mean? I thought, I haven't

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quite got the true thing, but I always thought

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it was massaging my mummy's feet, because Miri

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Miri is the... A massage that the Maori do. Oh,

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okay. Midi midi they massage. And I always thought

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that was when my mother, as she was getting older,

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apparently I used to give her a massage. Oh my.

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But she wouldn't have called you that from birth

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for that reason. I had no idea. It's one of the

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mysteries that sort of comes with my heritage,

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I suppose. Wow. With my lineage. So you're Maori?

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Yes, I am. I'm three -quarter caste, as they

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say. What does that mean? Well, you have people

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who say pure Irish. Yeah. There's no mixture

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in their heritage. Right. Then you have them

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that may have a mixture of Welsh and amongst

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it all, or Danish. Right, right. So in New Zealand,

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then you become... Half. Okay, so if one parent

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is Maori, you're half. Yeah. Okay. So then you

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become, you're either a half -caste or three

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-quarter. Yeah. And that tells you how much of

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your native is in you, like I'm three -quarter

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Maori. So that means three grandparents were

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Maori and one grandparent was not. And one parent

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was not. Okay. So were you raised in a Christian

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home? No, I wasn't. My life was sad in a way,

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I suppose. But in hindsight, it was a necessary

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pass that Father was leading me or taking me

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through that was necessary for the work I am

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doing now. Yes. We were taken, my other three

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siblings and myself, away from my mother when

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I was seven by the state. My father, who worked,

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had his own house, wasn't allowed to keep the

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family. Because in those days, men were not considered

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suitable solo parents, even though they were

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working or if they had wealth or a home, they

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weren't allowed to be solo parents, whereas women

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were. Yeah. So we were taken off. My sisters

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stayed together and my brother and myself were

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split. Now, this is the beginning of my life

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because I loved my father, my earth father, as

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I loved my heavenly father. Beautiful. And I

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couldn't understand why I couldn't go to my father.

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Now, at seven years old, to be suddenly snatched

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away from my father, I grew a sense of rebellion.

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I rebelled against authority. Sure. So no matter

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where they put me in the North Island, I knew

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where my daddy worked. No matter what home they

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put me in, I would run away. Oh, wow. I would

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hitchhike and I would just walk and get back

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to Auckland. And when my dad finished work, I

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would be waiting outside work. Wow. So he would

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take me home, feed me, bath me. Then he'd have

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to ring the welfare system. Oh. And they would

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come and take me away and put me in another home.

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Oh, that's tragic. These homes, I learned the

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feel of jug cords across my back, belts across

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my buttocks, hobnail boots across my back. I

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learned the power of someone punching. I learned

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all the violence was done and I could not respond.

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So my response was run away. Sure. Then I went

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down a pathway of crime. I started stealing to

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get back to my dad. I'd steal money. You imagine

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a nine -year -old boy in a car that you could

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just see over the dashboard driving down the

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highway trying to get back to his dad. And that's

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the thing I was doing. So I ended up in boys'

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homes and different things, correction institutions.

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And when I turned 15, I was advised by our housemaster,

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I was in a boys' home, that my father had died

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four years ago. No. Now. Oh, no. That broke me.

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Oh, sure. Now I asked why. They said, oh, they

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didn't know where you were. And I said, pardon?

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I've been in the system, in your system, since

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I was a little child. I said, I've been in the

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system. You knew where I was. Why didn't you

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tell me? So that reinforced that antagonism I

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had towards authority. Sure. I got so low at

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one stage in my life that I even considered suicide.

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And I couldn't understand why nobody was with

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me. Because of all that has happened, I became

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a loner. No one could get close to me. I wouldn't

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let anyone get close to me. But I got desperate.

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And one night I was saying, you know, how come

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I'm so lonely? Why isn't anyone with me? That's

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it, mate. The Lord said. I've always been here.

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Beautiful. And I couldn't believe it. I looked

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around, I turned the light on in the room. Who

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said that? Speaking to see a ghost or something.

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No, I'm hearing things. I'm hearing things. He

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says, no, I've always been here. And I said,

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well, who was I? I've always been here. Who are

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you? I must be going crazy. At this point of

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ending my life, I'm starting to hear things.

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And he says, no, I am your heavenly father. Oh,

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beautiful. I have always been with you, my son.

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Wow. And at that age, I was 38 years old. Oh,

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my. And I thought, wow. So since then, he has

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nurtured me, he has trained me, he has reared

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me. He has filled my life. Beautiful, beautiful.

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And through him, I reach out to others because

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I don't want them to miss out the love that Father

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has. Yes. And that is an all -consuming love.

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It is a love that overcomes everything. It is

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a love that heals. Yes. And a lot of hearts have

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been broken, a lot of lives have been broken,

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and they just need the healing love of our Heavenly

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Father. Yes. You know, it healed me. Hallelujah.

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So I've dedicated my life to Him, you know, to

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His purpose, His will. I struggled against it

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when I had to come here because I couldn't understand

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why one... I'm a nobody. I just do what he wants

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me to do. I go and help others. I am but a humble

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servant, so how could he choose me? You know,

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Sandy is my pastor. It's interesting how I met

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him, but that's another story. And I approached

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Sandy three days before we were due to come.

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I'd had my passport and all that, but I was still,

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no, I need to stay here and look after. The sheep

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that I have. Yeah. I have to stay here. And I

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told Sandy and he says, oh, we've got to go to

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church on Sunday. And we'll go to church and

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just don't think about it. Let's go to church.

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And the first worship song that they sang was,

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if you ask me, I'll give you the nations. That's

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for me, and I will give the nations as an inheritance.

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Right. Is that it? Yes. Yeah. Wow. And it floored

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me. I went flat on my face. I said, oh, you know,

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okay. And I loved the way Father does it. His

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correction is so gentle. Yes. And it's so loving.

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You just cannot help but. Go down and repent

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and ask his forgiveness for ever being like you

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were. And he says, I knew you would do this,

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but I knew you would return to me. Yes. And this

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is the father we serve. This is the father we

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love so much. Yes. He gave everything. He gave

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us everything, 100%. Why can we not return 100

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%? That's right. Yeah. You know, hold nothing

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back because, well, this is me. This is my life.

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That's so beautiful. So tell us some of the stories,

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some of the testimonies of people that the Lord

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has led you to and how he has worked in their

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lives. My life is a scriptural life. You know,

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it's like... The Good Samaritan. You see one

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in need. You watch people walk around out of

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the needy. You watch people walking around the

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destitute. And across the street. And I'm amazed

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because the words of the Father always comes

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to me. He says, what do you do to the least of

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these? Yes. You know, the least of these you

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do unto me. So my hand goes out. I'd go with

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the lawmakers. I'd get calls from them when I

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had a vehicle. So wait a minute, who's the lawmakers?

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Yeah, police. Okay, okay, just wanted to make

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sure that we understood. And they would call

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me saying, oh, we have a situation here. We have

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a gentleman who needs to be taken out of his

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home, nowhere to stay. And I'd say, okay, I'll

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come and pick him up. Then I'd pick him up, take

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him to my place, give him a cup of coffee or

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a tea or whatever, and we'd sit and talk. And

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the first question I would ask him is, how did

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you come to this point? I don't want to know

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why you did what you did. I want to know what

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was the trigger? Yeah. What made you do what

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you did and cause this situation? You know, just

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getting them to trust and to open up, you know,

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the pressures, maybe it was pressures at work

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or it was... It was friends, associates, all

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that, that comes out. And it's a buildup of tension

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of trying to please this group and keep it from

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the wife. And I say, well, you know, that is

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not really how you should treat your wife. You

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should treat your wife with more love and consideration.

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She is the birth of a nation. Your wife is the

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birth of a nation. Your descendants all came

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from your grandparents, your grandmother, your

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great -great -great -great -grandmother. Now

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your wife is providing you with a new generation

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who now have witnessed something which they're

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going to hold on to. It's going to be in their

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memory banks. That's not love, my friend. I said,

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that's not love. Do you mind if we pray? Wow.

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Let me pray for you. And then we pray prayer.

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Sometimes I sleep over. I'll sleep on my couch.

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And I wake him up the next morning, ring the

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police, say, is it okay for him to come home

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now? He's good. Then get in touch with the spouse.

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And there's still a bit of a hesitancy. And I

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says, yeah, here's my number. If you even feel

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unsafe, You've just got to sense that he's there

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and say, give me a ring. Good. And that's part

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of my work. Wow. I also take elderly to do their

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shopping, do their shopping for them, pick up

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people who are stuck in town. You know, they

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go, oh, we're stuck in town. The buses are not

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running anymore and we've got to get home. I

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said, okay, where are you? You know, we can't

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afford a taxi. I said, well, where are you? So

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I'd go and pick them up and run them home and

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all on the board. I also was working in food

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banks, delivering food to those who needed food.

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Just general community work, being in the community,

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seeing a need and filling it. Yes. I don't think

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you would probably say this about yourself, but

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it's been told to us that You've received awards

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for your community service. Yeah. I don't think

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you're the type that would even bring that up.

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It's something that I don't talk about because

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all the glory belongs to my father. Sure. But

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Sandy says, yes, but this is society recognizing

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the work you do. And I says, I still want to

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back against that because society is recognizing

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the wrong person. Oh, yeah, that's sweet. It

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is. It's true. Society's recognizing the wrong

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person. They should be recognizing my father

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who empowers me to do this. Yes. I'm just his

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humble servant at his beck and call, but instead

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they're pinning medals on me. You find that distasteful.

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Well, you have to get up and say something when

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you receive these awards. When I got my first

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one from the mayor of Lower Hutt, I said, do

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you want to say something? And I said, yes, I

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do. And, of course, I quoted that scripture I

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used, you know, whatever you do to the least

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of these, you do unto me. But I phrased it so

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that they had to search for it. I said, you know,

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I know a man. To me, he is famous. He is the

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most famous man I've ever met, and I know him

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quite well. But he said these few words and he

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says, on this I've based all my service. And

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then I quoted that and just walked off the stage,

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never said anything else. And later on, I had

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a few people come and say, were you quoting scripture?

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And I said, yes. I love it. But if you love him

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so much, regardless of what awards they give

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you, you should always acknowledge that, hey,

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it is not I, but he who I serve. Give the glory

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to him, all the praise to him. And that has been

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my life. We said, oh, we should thank you for

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that. I says, no, don't thank me. People are

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amazed when they find out how old I am. They

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say, how can you look like that? And I says,

00:22:00.740 --> 00:22:05.279
one reason. And I point upwards. That's the reason

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I am how I am today. Yes. And so give him all

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the glory. He is the reason. It's not anything

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I do. Right. It's what he does in me and with

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me. Yes. It's co -operating with him. Yeah, it

00:22:22.740 --> 00:22:26.079
is. You're operating together as a team. Yeah.

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And people don't see him, they see you. Well,

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hopefully. As we sing that song, we hope it's

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him they see. Amen. Absolutely. Too often I've

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found when I've been searching for different

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churches in my tumultuous life, it has always

00:22:46.220 --> 00:22:48.880
been wishy -washy, the churches I've been to.

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There's always been that missing link. And there

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was no love in it. And in my growing up life,

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that is what I was looking for. I was looking

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for love. Yes, of course. As a child, I looked

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for love. I received it from my father. When

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he disappeared, I started looking for it. But

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the Lord led me along that path that while I

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was seeking it, I was learning things. I was

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learning. I was learning compassion. I was learning

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endurance. I was learning patience. Beautiful.

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I was learning. how not to love. Because the

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love that I was feeling was not love, it was

00:23:38.559 --> 00:23:43.299
hate. It was animosity. It was really life -destroying.

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And once he pulled me out of that situation,

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he turned it around, absolutely upside down.

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And my life has never been the same since, but

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I love it. Oh, that's so wonderful. Yeah. So

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wonderful. So he taught you the Word? Yes. I

00:24:05.220 --> 00:24:09.380
find that quite challenging because one of the

00:24:09.380 --> 00:24:13.720
prayers, we sit down together, and I live by

00:24:13.720 --> 00:24:16.559
myself, so I've got plenty of time to entertain.

00:24:16.819 --> 00:24:19.059
He's got plenty of time to entertain as well.

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And one of the questions I said, Father, you

00:24:22.819 --> 00:24:28.569
know, forgive me for being envious. And he says,

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okay, speak to me. And I says, well, I'm envious

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of all these people who could bang all these

00:24:35.869 --> 00:24:38.490
scriptures. You know, verse so -and -so out of

00:24:38.490 --> 00:24:40.269
the book, it says this, and they go word for

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word. I said, I can't. I says, I only know scripture

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that I learned. Oh, I've heard people like John

00:24:47.789 --> 00:24:51.029
3, 16. It's pounded into me. It's been pounded

00:24:51.029 --> 00:24:56.109
in me. So I know that. These people, they get

00:24:56.109 --> 00:25:01.710
up there. And I says, I'm amazed. I want to be

00:25:01.710 --> 00:25:05.789
like that. And he says, I'll tell you something.

00:25:06.210 --> 00:25:11.890
Just listen. And I said, okay. He said, when

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my son was being tempted in the wilderness. I

00:25:17.569 --> 00:25:20.470
said, yeah, I know all about that. He said, yeah,

00:25:20.490 --> 00:25:24.059
of course you do. And the enemy was quoting all

00:25:24.059 --> 00:25:28.059
these scriptures like, you won't hurt your, your

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heel won't be bruised because you've been saved

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by his angels. Yeah. How did my son answer? I

00:25:36.079 --> 00:25:38.799
was like, okay. I had to get a Bible and open

00:25:38.799 --> 00:25:44.700
it. You know, being, and I said, oh, here's what

00:25:44.700 --> 00:25:48.599
he said. He said, it is written. Yeah. I says,

00:25:48.660 --> 00:25:54.799
yeah, and? He says, did he quote a scripture?

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Did he quote a verse? I says, no, he didn't.

00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:04.599
He says, do you think my son is envious of those

00:26:04.599 --> 00:26:07.720
people who can quote scriptures? Was he envious

00:26:07.720 --> 00:26:10.779
of the enemy who quote? He knows the scriptures

00:26:10.779 --> 00:26:13.059
backwards and forwards. He can quote it like

00:26:13.059 --> 00:26:19.390
that. But he didn't. What did he say? It is written,

00:26:19.569 --> 00:26:23.170
Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. It is

00:26:23.170 --> 00:26:27.769
written. And he says, You don't have to know.

00:26:28.710 --> 00:26:34.289
When you need the word, I will provide it. So

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in situations I find someone's saying something

00:26:37.490 --> 00:26:40.970
and I say, Oh, you know, you remind me of the

00:26:40.970 --> 00:26:45.450
prodigal son. The one who ran away and thought

00:26:45.450 --> 00:26:47.799
he'd... Have a good life over there and look

00:26:47.799 --> 00:26:50.559
where you are now and look where you were then.

00:26:51.619 --> 00:26:55.319
Don't you think it's time you went home? Wow.

00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:58.799
It's instances like that that you'll say, this

00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:03.740
scripture suits that. But not word for word.

00:27:03.900 --> 00:27:06.539
I paint the picture because everyone has given

00:27:06.539 --> 00:27:12.200
his own understanding. Some learn by just hearing.

00:27:12.460 --> 00:27:16.420
Some learn by drawing a picture. Some learn by

00:27:16.420 --> 00:27:21.680
practical showing, you know, so I don't worry.

00:27:22.059 --> 00:27:24.819
So it's his spirit that's giving it to you in

00:27:24.819 --> 00:27:28.799
a way that the person can understand. Yeah. It's

00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:31.940
like paraphrasing. Yeah, yeah. People say, oh,

00:27:31.940 --> 00:27:33.779
you've been to Bible college? I say, no, I've

00:27:33.779 --> 00:27:37.240
been taught by the Master. Ooh, beautiful. And

00:27:37.240 --> 00:27:43.109
they say, ooh. Ooh. Yeah. But, you know, it's

00:27:43.109 --> 00:27:45.569
all about the personal relationship that one

00:27:45.569 --> 00:27:49.450
builds. And I always say, you know, you have

00:27:49.450 --> 00:27:53.809
to get that direction right. Yes. You have to

00:27:53.809 --> 00:27:56.809
get that spot on. You have to get that 100%.

00:27:56.809 --> 00:28:00.029
Then everything else falls into place. Absolutely.

00:28:00.029 --> 00:28:05.970
Everything falls into place. Yeah. Wow. And I

00:28:05.970 --> 00:28:11.029
am not perfect. I make mistakes. But I know my

00:28:11.029 --> 00:28:16.049
father's hand still picks me up and says, okay.

00:28:16.650 --> 00:28:21.210
Yeah. Okay, son, let's carry on walking. Right.

00:28:21.289 --> 00:28:25.250
And it's that knowledge that I have a loving

00:28:25.250 --> 00:28:28.509
father, one who will never desert me, one who

00:28:28.509 --> 00:28:32.809
never gives up, one who's always there and whose

00:28:32.809 --> 00:28:39.099
love is all -encompassing. Yes. It is. And he

00:28:39.099 --> 00:28:41.839
shows me things like when I was in your library

00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:44.480
the other day, when I walked through the door,

00:28:44.539 --> 00:28:46.940
all I felt was love. Oh, I remember you telling

00:28:46.940 --> 00:28:50.160
me that. Yeah, all I felt was love. The love

00:28:50.160 --> 00:28:52.400
of the Father has been expressed through all

00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:56.380
those authors and what they experienced. They

00:28:56.380 --> 00:28:59.880
experienced the Holy Spirit guiding them, the

00:28:59.880 --> 00:29:03.500
hands of love. Yes. And I could feel it as soon

00:29:03.500 --> 00:29:06.000
as I walked in the room. I thought, wow. How

00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:09.880
beautiful. That was so beautiful. Yeah. It's

00:29:09.880 --> 00:29:13.700
instances like that. I'm aware of his presence

00:29:13.700 --> 00:29:17.259
in everything because he is in everything. Yes.

00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:21.940
I appreciate a storm. When we came into where

00:29:21.940 --> 00:29:25.500
we came and we had that big storm. Oh yeah, in

00:29:25.500 --> 00:29:29.509
St. Louis? St. Louis, yeah. All I could think

00:29:29.509 --> 00:29:33.869
of was, oh, Father, your power is so enormous

00:29:33.869 --> 00:29:38.289
and so incomprehensible. Right. And you are now

00:29:38.289 --> 00:29:41.869
displaying it for the world to see. How many

00:29:41.869 --> 00:29:47.529
recognize your hand in this? Mm -hmm. His hand

00:29:47.529 --> 00:29:50.750
is in everything. And I was praising him and

00:29:50.750 --> 00:29:53.140
glorifying him. They were looking at me strange

00:29:53.140 --> 00:29:56.539
in the airport, but hey, so what? Look at this

00:29:56.539 --> 00:29:59.640
lunatic say, hallelujah, praise be to the living

00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:03.339
God. Look at this. Look what he's doing. I love

00:30:03.339 --> 00:30:10.079
it. Yeah. Oh, that's beautiful. David danced

00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:16.039
like, oh, I'll dance in the streets. Why can't

00:30:16.039 --> 00:30:19.779
I do a David as well? Do a David. Do a David.

00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:23.740
That's beautiful. That's beautiful. Would you

00:30:23.740 --> 00:30:25.700
tell us how you met Sandy? Because you said that's

00:30:25.700 --> 00:30:29.000
another story. I'm sure it's a good one. It is,

00:30:29.019 --> 00:30:32.240
actually. It's comical. In my search for a decent

00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:35.880
church, yeah, around where he was eventually

00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:40.440
placed, I went to this little church. and the

00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:42.539
word came out. The man stood up the front and

00:30:42.539 --> 00:30:44.799
did his thing. You know, that was what I saw.

00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:49.960
And afterwards, everyone was going around praying

00:30:49.960 --> 00:30:53.799
for everybody, you know, praying. And I was sort

00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:56.079
of looking down and wondering what I was going

00:30:56.079 --> 00:30:59.660
to do next, you know, not being really moved

00:30:59.660 --> 00:31:04.079
or anything. And this big chap stood in front

00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:08.380
of me and says, I want to pray for you. And I

00:31:08.380 --> 00:31:12.440
looked up and I said, whatever. It was Sandy.

00:31:12.779 --> 00:31:20.460
Yeah. Okay. Unbeknownst to me, later on, he became

00:31:20.460 --> 00:31:26.000
my pastor and I made a covenant with him that

00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:29.259
I would never leave him. Where he goes, I will

00:31:29.259 --> 00:31:34.759
go. I did a wreath. Oh, wow. I made that covenant.

00:31:35.180 --> 00:31:38.160
Because we had five members when we first started

00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:41.759
the church called Next Gen. And that was his

00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:45.539
brother and his sister -in -law. They pulled

00:31:45.539 --> 00:31:50.420
out because it became too hard. We decided we

00:31:50.420 --> 00:31:54.359
had to give things away. We had to strip ourselves

00:31:54.359 --> 00:31:58.440
bare to really walk with the Lord. And they pulled

00:31:58.440 --> 00:32:02.269
out. And Sandy turned to me and said, what about

00:32:02.269 --> 00:32:06.670
you? Are you going to go too? I said, considering

00:32:06.670 --> 00:32:10.450
it. He looked at me and said, what? I said, yeah,

00:32:10.470 --> 00:32:12.890
I was considering it. But listen, I'll tell you

00:32:12.890 --> 00:32:15.230
something. And I said, you know that scripture.

00:32:15.410 --> 00:32:19.549
Where you go, I will go. Where you stay, I will

00:32:19.549 --> 00:32:24.630
stay. And your God will be my God. I said, whatever.

00:32:25.190 --> 00:32:27.349
I said, that's my covenant with you. And we've

00:32:27.349 --> 00:32:29.740
been together ever since. How many years is that?

00:32:32.660 --> 00:32:35.980
Must be about 17, 18 years. Oh, wow. Beautiful.

00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:39.299
Yeah. So I've been part of that ministry right

00:32:39.299 --> 00:32:42.599
at the beginning where we were in the middle

00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:46.339
of the mongrel mob. Mongrel mob. Yeah. That sounds

00:32:46.339 --> 00:32:50.579
like a… It's a gang. It's a gang, yeah. The bulldog

00:32:50.579 --> 00:32:55.119
is their signia, and it's a mongrel. They have

00:32:55.119 --> 00:32:58.099
it tatted on them or on their… their patches,

00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:03.319
and they were fierce. When other gangs wanted

00:33:03.319 --> 00:33:06.839
bodyguards or someone wanted muscle, they came

00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:10.440
to the mongrel mob. And Sandy and Princess were

00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:12.299
planted right in the middle of that. Right in

00:33:12.299 --> 00:33:14.759
the middle of it. Wow. Right in the middle of

00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:16.299
it. Right in the heart of their neighborhood.

00:33:16.539 --> 00:33:19.759
Yeah. Wow. Police never drove through. Oh, wow.

00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:21.859
They refused to go through. It was too dangerous.

00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:25.740
Oh, my goodness. Yeah. And they were right in

00:33:25.740 --> 00:33:29.029
it. Then I joined them and we walked the streets,

00:33:29.170 --> 00:33:32.289
praying through the streets. And we came upon

00:33:32.289 --> 00:33:35.549
one instance where they were meeting at night

00:33:35.549 --> 00:33:40.170
and a young chap had committed suicide. And they

00:33:40.170 --> 00:33:44.130
were looking for a pastor, God -given appointment.

00:33:45.049 --> 00:33:49.529
And Sandy says, I'm a pastor. And we went in

00:33:49.529 --> 00:33:53.809
and we had service. And from that moment on,

00:33:54.789 --> 00:33:58.710
Sandy was their pastor. Oh, wow. No one could

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touch him. No one could touch Sandy. If anyone

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looked sideways at Sandy, they were dealt with.

00:34:05.450 --> 00:34:09.809
Oh, my goodness. Yeah, even Princess. Well, you

00:34:09.809 --> 00:34:14.309
know how contagious Princess is. I call her contagious

00:34:14.309 --> 00:34:17.710
because she has that element that draws you to

00:34:17.710 --> 00:34:21.610
her, that sense that says, hey, here I am. Wow.

00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:28.920
Because of her and Sandy, they most probably

00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:31.539
told you how many lives have changed and things

00:34:31.539 --> 00:34:36.639
I've done. So it's been an adventure. Yes. Wow,

00:34:36.940 --> 00:34:39.980
that's tremendous. I'd love to hear more and

00:34:39.980 --> 00:34:43.320
more and more stories from these. I know you've

00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:45.880
had tremendous experiences together with Sandy

00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:48.599
and Princess. Oh, yes. Just tell us one more

00:34:48.599 --> 00:34:52.039
story. One more story. I had a knock on my door

00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:56.199
one night. I wasn't, it'd just be about, yeah,

00:34:56.260 --> 00:34:59.179
about two o 'clock in the morning because banging,

00:34:59.260 --> 00:35:04.800
banging on my door. I said, oh, come on. At this

00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:10.480
hour, okay. So I answered the door and there

00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:14.960
was a 16 -year -old girl. She'd been to a party

00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:20.900
down the road and it got a wee bit dicey. And

00:35:20.900 --> 00:35:23.519
she was going to the neighborhood. knocking on

00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:28.039
doors and no one would open the door. Now I stayed

00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:30.360
in a block of flats down the back and my light

00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:33.260
was on because I was still, me and Dad were doing

00:35:33.260 --> 00:35:37.619
our thing and I was about to go to bed. Turned

00:35:37.619 --> 00:35:39.639
my outside light off and then I was just coming

00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:41.780
to bed when she knocked. So she'd seen my light

00:35:41.780 --> 00:35:47.079
and made towards it. I said, can I help you?

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And she said, yes. I'd been down the road at

00:35:51.179 --> 00:35:56.159
a party and some men wanted to take me and I'd

00:35:56.159 --> 00:36:00.639
run away. I want to go home. I said, where do

00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:08.079
you live? Now, where she lived was 70 miles out

00:36:08.079 --> 00:36:13.360
of town. Oh, my. And I said, have you a phone?

00:36:13.940 --> 00:36:16.320
She says, no, they took my phone. I said, okay.

00:36:17.230 --> 00:36:19.449
Do you know your parents at home? Do you know

00:36:19.449 --> 00:36:21.130
your phone number? She gave me the number, so

00:36:21.130 --> 00:36:24.050
I rang through. And I got there, and she was

00:36:24.050 --> 00:36:26.190
still up because her daughter hadn't been in

00:36:26.190 --> 00:36:29.210
contact. Yes. And I said, I'm on the way. Your

00:36:29.210 --> 00:36:31.389
daughter's come here. I told them who I was and

00:36:31.389 --> 00:36:34.570
what I do. I says, your daughter's here. I'm

00:36:34.570 --> 00:36:37.269
going to give her something hot to drink, and

00:36:37.269 --> 00:36:39.449
I'll give her some warm clothes, you know, my

00:36:39.449 --> 00:36:41.530
jersey or something or a coat, and then I'll

00:36:41.530 --> 00:36:43.710
bring her home. And they said, oh, we'll meet

00:36:43.710 --> 00:36:47.170
you halfway. Oh, that's good. And I says, okay,

00:36:47.349 --> 00:36:50.769
so we made a spot where we could meet. And when

00:36:50.769 --> 00:36:54.530
I arrived there, the joy I saw in a mother's

00:36:54.530 --> 00:37:02.070
face. This is why I do things. This is why. Not

00:37:02.070 --> 00:37:08.780
for the reward, just to see that relief. I thought

00:37:08.780 --> 00:37:11.260
she was going to break my ribs, the mother, because

00:37:11.260 --> 00:37:13.420
she just grabbed me and really hugged me and

00:37:13.420 --> 00:37:16.059
said, thank you, thank you. I don't know what,

00:37:16.099 --> 00:37:19.159
I don't know how to thank you. And I said, you

00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:22.179
don't need to thank me. Beautiful. I said, you

00:37:22.179 --> 00:37:24.079
don't need to thank me at all. I'm just glad

00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:27.559
that your daughter's home is safe. Yes. And I

00:37:27.559 --> 00:37:32.480
says, can I pray for your family? And I prayed

00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:34.599
over the family, the blessings of the Lord, the

00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:37.860
protection of our father. the grace and provision

00:37:37.860 --> 00:37:42.900
that he provides, and they went home happy. Beautiful.

00:37:43.019 --> 00:37:45.460
And I went home and collapsed on my bed and fell

00:37:45.460 --> 00:37:49.519
asleep. And you were happy too. I was filled

00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:56.480
with the joy of the Lord because when you make

00:37:56.480 --> 00:37:59.539
him happy, when you do things that please him,

00:37:59.820 --> 00:38:04.820
there is a sense. That he envelops you with.

00:38:05.019 --> 00:38:07.860
Yes. And you go, oh, thank you, Father. I could

00:38:07.860 --> 00:38:12.519
bathe in this all day. Amen. But we're that close.

00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:16.079
Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. We are that

00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:19.619
close. So for our listeners, he's got his two

00:38:19.619 --> 00:38:22.500
fingers crossed together. Sorry, sorry. This

00:38:22.500 --> 00:38:27.699
isn't video. Yeah, that close. Yeah, we are close

00:38:27.699 --> 00:38:32.360
because where he walks, I walk. Beautiful. Where

00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:35.860
he moves, I move. And I don't move without his

00:38:35.860 --> 00:38:39.420
say -so. You know, as Scripture says, he's a

00:38:39.420 --> 00:38:44.320
light unto my path. Beautiful. Amen. And it's

00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:48.920
something I pray that everyone will come to that

00:38:48.920 --> 00:38:52.880
point where he is a light unto their path. Amen.

00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:59.800
And the world needs him. Yes, absolutely. The

00:38:59.800 --> 00:39:03.320
world is desperately in need of Him. Yes, and

00:39:03.320 --> 00:39:05.719
that's why we do what we do, because we're believing

00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:09.420
God for the outpouring of His Spirit on all flesh,

00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:11.239
and the whole world is going to be touched by

00:39:11.239 --> 00:39:15.360
Him. It is. And in our small way, you know, I

00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:19.320
still can't believe that I'm actually here. I'll

00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:21.440
hold them up to that later when we get together.

00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:26.659
Beautiful, beautiful. Well, would you pray for

00:39:26.659 --> 00:39:29.480
our listeners? before we close. Oh, certainly.

00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:34.760
Heavenly Father, all we come together as one,

00:39:34.940 --> 00:39:38.860
the listeners and ourselves, Father. We come

00:39:38.860 --> 00:39:42.179
to praise you. We come to give you thanks for

00:39:42.179 --> 00:39:46.059
the many gifts and graces and provision that

00:39:46.059 --> 00:39:49.460
you give for us all, Father. We pray that your

00:39:49.460 --> 00:39:52.780
Holy Spirit will sweep over this land and over

00:39:52.780 --> 00:39:56.079
our listeners, Father, bringing comfort and joy,

00:39:56.300 --> 00:39:59.559
Father, and provision, Father, to heal those

00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:03.400
who are sick, Father, to give clarity of mind

00:40:03.400 --> 00:40:06.239
to those who are puzzling and trying to do things

00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:10.300
on their own strength, Father. Father, we also

00:40:10.300 --> 00:40:13.179
pray for the sick, Father. We pray for the homeless,

00:40:13.340 --> 00:40:17.139
Father. We pray for those who are parentless.

00:40:17.610 --> 00:40:20.409
for the orphans, Father, for the widows, Father.

00:40:20.889 --> 00:40:24.849
We pray your provision and covering for them,

00:40:24.949 --> 00:40:28.710
Father. And most of all, Father, we thank you

00:40:28.710 --> 00:40:32.630
for your love, your grace, and your presence

00:40:32.630 --> 00:40:37.170
within each and every one of us, Father. So may

00:40:37.170 --> 00:40:40.630
the glory and the peace of our Father in heaven

00:40:40.630 --> 00:40:45.500
rest and abide in you all tonight. And forevermore,

00:40:45.579 --> 00:40:55.079
in the name of Jesus, I pray. Amen. Amen. If

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