(268) “Outpouring that Changed a Community of Gangs” with Sandy and Princess Jensen

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And I'm sitting there grudgingly in the back

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of the church and I'm going, can we hurry up

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and just pour this water over this baby and finish

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this already? I don't want to feed. I don't need

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your food. I just want to go. And I get up and

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I leave and I get to the door and I fell to my

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knees. The same sensation came over my body from

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head to toe and I fell at the door. And that

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began the journey. with God. God promises in

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Joel 2 .28 to pour out His Spirit on all humanity.

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Welcome to Global Outpouring, where we contend

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for that promise outpouring, we equip for it,

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and we engage in this outpouring. I'm Philip

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Buss. And I'm Sharon Buss. Welcome to the podcast

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today. We have friends here with us today from

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the ends of the earth, from New Zealand, and

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they're going to share with us some of their

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stories of how they have had outpouring in their

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lives that has caused them to be used of God

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to change a whole community of gangs. Thank you

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so much for joining us today. We know you're

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going to enjoy this podcast. And before we get

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started, we want to encourage you, if you haven't

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to hear from you. Let us know where you're listening

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from. So, Sandy and Princess Jensen, we are so

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glad that you have joined us today on the Global

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Outpouring Podcast. Thank you. It's a pleasure

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to be here. We're just really excited. We've

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been hearing some of your testimonies, and I'm

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sure that as we talk some more, we're going to

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hear details that we haven't heard before. But

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I just love how God does things in people's lives,

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and He takes them from difficult situations and

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brings them into His glory and brings them into

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His outpouring. and then uses them to bring outpouring

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to others. So I'm not sure which one of you wants

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to start with your story first, but you both

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have amazing stories. Yes. Well, I think I grew

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up in a typical working -class family in New

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Zealand. My parents weren't believers. It wasn't

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a Christian home. Both my parents were workaholic

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alcoholics. Oh, my. And life was very violent.

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I think I started cooking for the family from

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about the age of seven, being the oldest of four

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boys. There were no girls, so the job became

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mine. But it's given me a skill. Yes. An undeniable

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skill in cooking, so I am grateful for that.

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But my grandparents were Christians. Ah. And

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by their advice, I did get sent to Sunday school.

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And so I was introduced to Christ from an early

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age, but never really got to have a relationship

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with him. Gave my heart to him several times

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at different holiday camps and things like that.

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Even encountered some bizarre things. Like the

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first time I smelt the fragrance of the Lord,

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I think it was about 11 years old. I walked into

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this room and I could smell this beautiful smell.

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Being a nosy person I was, I went around trying

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to sniff out, see who had this wonderful aftershave.

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Couldn't find it on anybody, but it was there

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on everybody. Oh, glory to God. And it wasn't

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until I got saved as an adult and started getting

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introduced to... other manifestations of his

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presence that I understood what it was then.

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Wow. So I went through a typical Kiwi childhood,

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smoking weed, drinking excessively. That seemed

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to be quite normal for people at our age group.

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Oh, wow. And you didn't have to leave school

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to start doing that. That just started. Wow.

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And so, yeah, did that. Got caught up in... doing

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things like Ouija boards and astral traveling

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and seances and ESP and all sorts of bizarre

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things. But I really, now I know that was just

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a hunger for things of the spirit that was deep

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inside of me. It was just going to the wrong

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source. Right, exactly. Getting it from the counterfeit

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instead of the real. Absolutely, yes. And it

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wasn't until I actually... did have a face -to

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-face encounter with God that I began to realize

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the difference. The best high I ever got was

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in God. Yeah. The best feeling from any manifesting

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spirit. And free, yeah. Just cost me the rest

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of my life. Yes, that's true. Yeah. So, Princess,

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give us a little bit of your background. Yeah,

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I was brought up in a place called Auckland.

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I was born in Auckland. I am from a place called

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Rotorua. It's where all the bubbly pools happen.

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Oh, okay. It's a big tourist place. I was only

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brought up in New Zealand right up to the age

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of eight and just turning nine. Then my parents

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moved to Australia at the age of nine years old.

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But I grew up in a Christian home. Oh. Yeah,

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we were taught right from the get -go who God

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was and how to have a relationship with God.

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And at a very young age, we were trained to train

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our spirit man at a very young age. Okay, and

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you're Maori, right? Yes, I'm Maori, yes, and

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both parents are Maori. And so we moved to Australia

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and also got into, I fell a lot because I was

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sexually abused at the age of six. Oh, no. For

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a while from my uncle and my husband. Turns out

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to be a great story. Because I stand in victory

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and I'm not a victim. I'm a victim. I stand in

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victory. Beautiful. So, yeah. So, yeah, and that

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happened. So that sort of had me blind for a

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long time. So I adopted a lot of bad behaviours

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along the way because of the cause of that. But,

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however, it's still my power of choice. Right.

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So I got into some drugs and lots of it and I

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ended up selling at a young age. Age 13, I started

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selling. I'd get out of my school uniform, walk

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into the pub, and then start selling drugs in

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Sydney, Australia. Wow. And they all knew I was

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young, but who I worked for, they would never

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ever question it. So the family I was working

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for, you would never ever question it. A family.

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A family, that's correct. That's a key word,

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a family. That's correct, a family. And we're

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not talking about your father or mother. No,

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no, no, no. La familia. I worked for them for

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25 years and I moved in the ranks very quickly.

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Wow. And I ended up overseeing prostitute homes

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and illegal casinos in Sydney. Well, Sandy, did

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you know what you were marrying into? No. No,

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no, actually, God. Actually, it's better you

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don't know these things. I didn't tell him until

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he put the ring on me. No, I think I got blindsided

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by God there. He showed me her future, not her

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past. Pause, Selah, pause and think about that.

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Because that's really where we need to be living,

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looking at people, not at their past, but where

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God's taking them. And that's key to your story.

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That's correct. That's the success of our story.

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Yes. So we ended up doing that. And then one

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day I had an encounter with God because I knew

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as a young child what it felt like to get a touch

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from the Lord. Wow. And so we learned this very

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young. And so when I was in my bedroom, 3 o 'clock

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in the morning, I got in touch with the Lord,

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and I had an encounter. And I went like this.

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I went, if that's you, okay, I know it's you.

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Send me someone to my door. I want B &B music.

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I don't want hymns. Send me to a real cool church.

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That was my list. And first thing in the morning,

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someone came to my door, and it was my niece.

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And I was still a bit high. And so she said,

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oh, auntie, you need to come in for a baptism.

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We're baptizing my daughter. No, they call it

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a blessing over there, eh? Because she was only

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two years old or something. Oh, like dedication.

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Dedication, that's it. So I said, oh, no, I'm

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too stoned. I'm too drunk. Oh, no, can't do it.

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Last thing I want to do is walk into a church,

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not thinking what happened to me at 3 o 'clock

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in the morning. You forgot. And then she demanded

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it. She goes, Auntie, get in that shower, wash

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it off, and get to that church because you're

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one of the godparents. Oh! You don't want a drug

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head of an auntie to be one of your kids. And

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he goes, no, auntie, come on, let's go. So she

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was also looking at your future? Yes. She forced

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me, practically forced me to get in the car.

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So I had a shower. She waited. She jumped in

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the car, and we had baby in there, and I'm sitting

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there grudgingly in the back of the church, and

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I'm going, can we hurry up and just pour this

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water over this baby and finish this already?

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I don't want to feed. I don't need your food.

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I just want to go. Wow. And I get up. And I leave,

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and I get to the door, and I fell to my knees.

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The same sensation came over my body from head

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to toe, and I fell at the door. Wow. And that

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began the journey with God. Wow. I was never

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the same ever again. Wow. How wonderful. I know.

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So you hadn't met Sandy yet? No. Pastor Jack

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Harris was my first engagement. He came over,

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helped me up, and he said, welcome home. Wow.

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And I'm going, what? What are you doing? No,

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don't touch me. I know how you trick people into

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coming to your church. No, it's okay. Do you

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want us to drive you home? No, I can't go home.

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This is something else. So I sat there. It was

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the right music that I liked. And it was a cool

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church. And that's where most of my maturing

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happened, I suppose you could call it. Training

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happened. and how to train my spirit man and,

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yeah, work for the right people. Wow. Isn't that

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something? Yeah, so I went to go and finish that

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25 -year job and I had to go and see Dad, Papa,

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we used to call him. And he was, sat there and

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I told him, I said, I'm moving on, I'm moving

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into a new space. And he goes, well, what do

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you mean new space? What are you doing? I give

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you lots of money, I give you houses, give you

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cars. What's wrong? Yeah, this is something a

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bit richer than that. Oh, wow. And he goes, what

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are you talking about? You can't do this. Because

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I made him a lot of money over the years, millions.

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Wow. My last job with him was getting drugs into

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high schools. Oh, wow. And I did about five high

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schools at the time. So when he gave me a task,

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I did it. And I made sure I completed it. And

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that was the last time. I said, no, I can't do

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this anymore. Something happened to me. And he

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goes, what happened to you? What's wrong? What's

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the matter? I got a touch. I had an encounter

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with God. And I know you know who God is. Wow.

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I know you know him because you're Lebanese.

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Oh, yeah. You know him. And so I had an encounter

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with God. And his face just looked like, and

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he goes, okay, straight away. Wow. It's not like

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you got adopted by a different family. No. No.

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Well, you did get adopted by God's family. Sometimes

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if you leave something like that, they don't

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let you go in other ways. It was a two -year

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process, so you can't leave them like that. You

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just have to do it. what they call a two -year

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process. Really? A stand -down. And if any of

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the companies or any of the organisations got

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busted, they'll come for you. Oh. But I was one

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of his most trusted. I moved through the ranks

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very quickly and made him a lot of money. I knew

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too much. I knew way too much to, you know, easily

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the police could have come to me and I said to

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them that I would never. Even if I'm a Christian,

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I would never, ever do that to you. He goes,

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I have to still give you two years. Okay, no

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worries. It's okay. So you continued to work

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for two years? No, no, no. He let you off? You

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stand down. But if any of the companies, you

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leave. Oh, yeah. You exit. But if any of the

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companies get broken into or get busted by the

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police, you take the fall. Oh, I see. Because

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you're the last one to leave the nest. Wow. Yeah.

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Oh, wow. One of the things that I just want to

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encourage everybody with there, because a lot

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of times we don't hear about the background.

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And the background with Princess was that her

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mother was a faithful servant of God. She was

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an intercessor. Yeah. Wow. And she prayed for

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all of her children. In actual fact. The Lord

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kept her alive to see all of her children come

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out of whatever they were doing and come to the

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Lord. Wow. And that was the last one through

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the gates. The reason she got saved is, yes,

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God moved on her, but he was a faithful God to

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a faithful woman. And I just want to encourage

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any parents or any grandparents out there that

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are listening to this, and if you've got children

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that are in drugs or going through some really

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bad stuff, Don't stop praying for them. You are

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their salvation. You are the one speaking life

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into their lives. Don't stop. Pray until something

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happens. Absolutely. Beautiful. And then keep

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on praying. Yes, yes. And so there began the

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journey of my journey with God. Hung out with

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intercessors for a while to teach me how to connect

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and how to communicate. And then I met Sandy.

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It wasn't a very nice meeting. She was still

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pretty raw. Very raw. We won't talk about that.

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But names were called. Right across the church.

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It was not very nice. And so what happened was

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I had to have him over. My mum, she goes, what

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did you, did you just say something nasty? Well,

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he is. He touched me on the shoulder and told

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me not to try and sing the words. Anyway, she

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said, oh, we love Sandy in this church. Sandy

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is highly respected. And we all call him the

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PP. Do you know what that is? The pastor's pet.

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And so he was favoured by everybody. And his

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old Miss Princess comes along and works his stuff.

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But what happened was we had a forgiveness lunch.

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I was invited to it at my house. I walk in, they're

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all there. The food was all out. Sandy was there

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and all my aunties and my aunties and my sister

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and my mum. And I go, what's going on here? I've

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got to go and get ready for a party tonight.

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And he goes, you've just been to church. And

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I, yeah. One step in, one step out, you know.

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It's a process, isn't it? So she said to him,

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they were very disgusted of me because I was

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sort of drunk as I was going to church in Stone

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and I'm eating away there. But Sandy, it was

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Sandy, he sat there and as they were martyring

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me and being disappointed in me, Sandy said,

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I don't see that. And then that's where God...

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It showed. Gave me a vision of what she was going

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to be in the future. Wow. And that vision was

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so strong and so clear. I couldn't stand her.

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A lot of people ask me, well, what do you think

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about Princess? And I thought, to be nice, I

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just said, not my cup of tea. Because you can't

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say something sometimes. You've just got to be

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polite about it. But there's just no way on earth

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was I going to be involved with that lady. But

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at that lunchtime dinner, the mother and the

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sisters were berating her in a terrible way.

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And actually, it was quite shocking to see these

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Christian ladies speaking this way to their daughter.

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So God was very clear in what he showed me, what

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she was going to be like, this awesome, wonderful,

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powerful woman in God. And I actually said to

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him in that process, when I saw that, I said,

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that I could marry. Wow. And yet there was no

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way was I looking at her any way like that at

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all. No way, shape, or form. It was just like,

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you've got to be kidding me. Well, God was kidding

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me, all right. He got me. He blindsided me with

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his view. So how long did it take before you

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two got married? How long was this? That was

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probably about 13 or 14 months. Is that all?

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Yeah. Wow. God did a quick work. Yes. There was

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a reason for it too. We ended up getting quite

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a few missions, ministries together, eh? And

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it was what we called tangis, funerals. So Māoris

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have funerals in a different way. We sleep with

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our... With our past. So they're in a coffin

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and we sleep right around them. Oh, wow. For

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the last three nights. Like a massive wake for

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three days. Yeah, like a massive wake. Three

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nights we sleep with them. Kind of like sitting

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Shiva. Something like that. Yes. Only with Shiva,

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sitting Shiva among the Israelis or the Jewish

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people. They bury immediately and then they spend

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the time together with the family. Oh. Yeah,

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well, we spend the time with the body. With the

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body. Tell the stories. Oh, yeah, background

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knowledge. Yeah, and then we got that ministry

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together. Oh, it was such a joy. It was so good

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because we saw quite a few souls come through

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that ministry. And also we also took on the Mums

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on the Move, which was a sports team, an evangelistic.

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So there was only one of us. And the worst thing

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about it, our pastor comes over and he sits me

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down. And at this time, I couldn't stand our

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pastor either. And I was going, what do you want?

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What's happening? And I had no respect, no honor.

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They knew each other as children. Yeah. Yeah,

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yeah. You were locked in the past. That's correct.

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I was always looking at her past, what she was.

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And so I learned very dearly to listen to that.

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Anyway, so she goes, oh, you're going to be a

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cell leader. I said, you know I'm still smoking

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dope, don't you? Because I was always transparent.

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I was always honest with them. I didn't like

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hiding things. And they said, oh, yes, but God

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said that it's you. And you and I are going to

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be cell leaders together. But it's not any normal

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cell group. And I'm going, oh, here we go. The

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joke gets better. And then she turns around and

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she says, it's going to be a cell group that

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are unsaved people. I went, great. But I had

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dreams. I had dreams after about a month, and

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mine are very, very clear, and I remember them

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all. And so when I dreamt this, I dreamt of this

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team, these people, and I was playing sports

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with them. So she took me physically. In real

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time, she took me to the stadium, and we sat

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there. No one was in the stadium. We sit there,

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and I'm going, what are we sitting here for?

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She goes, just wait. So this lady comes walking

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in. One lady and I looked over and, oh, what,

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what's wrong? That lady was in my dream. Oh,

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wow. She was, she was goal shooter. No, I swear,

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I swear. And I'm going like that to my spouse

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and she goes, oh. And then another woman, oh,

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my goodness, that lady was centre. Wow. All the

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team members that I dreamt of came through the

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door. Oh, my. And I said, oh, my gosh, this bleep.

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Really works. And she goes, what did you just

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say? This bleep really works. I have to tell

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you, it's taken 20 years to get that bleep in

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there. And she goes, go to the toilet, wash your

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face, come back out. And I'm nervous and I go,

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now what? Now what do we do? And she goes, go

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over there and everything will just flow out.

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You go over there. Don't send me in the lion's

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den. You go. No, you know all the Bible. You

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know how to pray. You're the theologian. You

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get over there. And she goes, oh, gosh, get up.

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and walk over, everything will come to you. It's

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because you had the dream. Yeah. So that's right.

00:22:35.059 --> 00:22:37.940
Well, she could have told me that. Anyway, she

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walks over and I'm going, Kia ora, hello. In

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other words, hello. My name's Princess and I'm

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looking for a team. And, you know, to play with.

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And she goes, oh, we're just making up one now.

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You can join us. Wow. I said, oh, thank you.

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She goes, well, can you play? I'm an all -rounder.

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What's that? All around is a shooter, center,

00:23:01.130 --> 00:23:05.190
defense. I can play anywhere. So what game is

00:23:05.190 --> 00:23:07.789
this we're talking about? This is a multi -sports.

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So you play netball one week, you play basketball

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the next week, you play volleyball the next week,

00:23:14.769 --> 00:23:17.609
and then indoor soccer. Wow. So it's a multi

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-sports. Oh, okay. Wow, I've never heard of that.

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So these women that I was playing with were mothers

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that stay home looking after babies. Oh. So we

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called the team Mums on the Move. Cut a long

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story short, three months later, four generations

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of each member of that team came to the Lord.

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Wow. Their parents, them, three generations,

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and their children. In church, praising the Lord

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three months. That's how God works. Wow. As a

00:23:52.400 --> 00:23:54.579
result of that, we actually had to step into

00:23:54.579 --> 00:23:58.609
discipleship. Sure. That's the next thing. Yeah,

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absolutely. And we were the ones, because of

00:24:02.210 --> 00:24:04.769
our connection to them, we were the ones that

00:24:04.769 --> 00:24:07.789
were doing the discipling for all of them. Wow.

00:24:08.049 --> 00:24:10.789
And the awesome thing out of that, out of those

00:24:10.789 --> 00:24:15.410
people came cell group leaders, worship leaders,

00:24:15.589 --> 00:24:20.049
and pastors. Wow. So, you know, we got this revelation

00:24:20.049 --> 00:24:23.549
out of that, that God was using us to train up

00:24:23.549 --> 00:24:26.880
a new generation of leaders. Glory to God. And

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so we did not really understand that at the time

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because you just do what God gives you to do.

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Exactly, day by day. But when you see the fruit,

00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:37.619
it becomes fairly evident what your purpose is.

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And I got to the stage where over half the church

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were our disciples. Wow. And this actually begins

00:24:46.700 --> 00:24:49.460
to create a different dynamic within a church

00:24:49.460 --> 00:24:52.640
as well because now your disciples are asking,

00:24:52.759 --> 00:24:55.019
why isn't everybody else doing what you're doing?

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And that's a very serious question. I said, well,

00:24:59.089 --> 00:25:02.130
stop looking at what other people are doing and

00:25:02.130 --> 00:25:05.329
just do what we're showing you and worry about

00:25:05.329 --> 00:25:07.630
that. Because it's not what they're doing, it's

00:25:07.630 --> 00:25:11.109
what you're doing. And so that became, but we

00:25:11.109 --> 00:25:13.950
knew then that things had got to a stage where

00:25:13.950 --> 00:25:16.730
now the influence that we were having in the

00:25:16.730 --> 00:25:19.690
church was actually. creating a very dangerous

00:25:19.690 --> 00:25:22.269
dynamic. Right. And we've seen a lot of church

00:25:22.269 --> 00:25:26.009
splits in the past. Yeah. So really it was probably

00:25:26.009 --> 00:25:28.829
time for us to move on before something like

00:25:28.829 --> 00:25:31.509
that actually happened. And then the Lord sent

00:25:31.509 --> 00:25:33.430
us on mission, and I was really glad for that.

00:25:33.569 --> 00:25:36.009
So were you married yet? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah,

00:25:36.029 --> 00:25:39.069
we were married. We missed that little detail.

00:25:39.329 --> 00:25:42.190
Oh, yeah, we were well into our marriage then.

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Okay. But we ended up, so I flew over to New

00:25:46.829 --> 00:25:51.359
Zealand. At this time. And we know for a month,

00:25:51.460 --> 00:25:53.740
we had two boys at the time. They were seven

00:25:53.740 --> 00:25:57.700
and six. And so we got up into the plane. We

00:25:57.700 --> 00:26:00.779
were up flying into Nelson. And next minute God

00:26:00.779 --> 00:26:04.539
says, you're coming home. And I went, what do

00:26:04.539 --> 00:26:06.799
you mean, home? Because my connection to God

00:26:06.799 --> 00:26:09.500
is good and I'm matured a bit. All the drugs

00:26:09.500 --> 00:26:12.119
are gone. All the alcohol's gone. All those stuff

00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:14.960
that's gone. All the world stuff. And I went,

00:26:14.980 --> 00:26:19.809
what? Did I hear right? You're coming home. You're

00:26:19.809 --> 00:26:23.829
not going back to Australia. I'm planting you

00:26:23.829 --> 00:26:27.609
here in New Zealand. So I get there and I ended

00:26:27.609 --> 00:26:31.250
up going to Nelson. We were in a caravan and,

00:26:31.250 --> 00:26:34.369
you know, had our holiday. And then I was praying

00:26:34.369 --> 00:26:37.390
with the boys. We had a prayer night and I said,

00:26:37.450 --> 00:26:39.690
I want you to go to Wellington. The Lord said?

00:26:40.150 --> 00:26:43.799
Wellington, yeah. And Wellington, I've learned

00:26:43.799 --> 00:26:46.519
this, is at the south end of the North Island

00:26:46.519 --> 00:26:49.299
and it's the farthest capital from Jerusalem.

00:26:49.359 --> 00:26:51.819
That's correct. And it's the capital city of

00:26:51.819 --> 00:26:54.700
New York. That's right, capital. And so Nelson

00:26:54.700 --> 00:26:57.420
is just across the way. Okay. Across the water

00:26:57.420 --> 00:27:01.079
on the South Island, top of the South. So I fled

00:27:01.079 --> 00:27:04.440
to Wellington and that's where we ended up getting

00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:09.079
based at Pumari. I was still living in Australia.

00:27:09.500 --> 00:27:12.509
Right. Sandy was still working in Australia.

00:27:13.710 --> 00:27:17.930
We were here for a holiday. And then I go to,

00:27:18.069 --> 00:27:21.450
I want to cut out a lot of detail. I ended up

00:27:21.450 --> 00:27:24.630
going to the airport, stood at Wellington Airport.

00:27:25.529 --> 00:27:28.509
And this woman comes by and it was my sister

00:27:28.509 --> 00:27:31.230
-in -law. And I said, how did you know it was

00:27:31.230 --> 00:27:33.450
me? Because we'd just seen your wedding photos.

00:27:34.509 --> 00:27:37.740
And I went, what? And she goes, are you here?

00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:40.599
Where's Sandy? Where's Joel and Jerome, our sons?

00:27:41.380 --> 00:27:43.619
And I told her and I said, what are you here

00:27:43.619 --> 00:27:45.460
for? You've got family. And I went, no, you're

00:27:45.460 --> 00:27:48.579
it. Who's picking you up? No, you're it. Can

00:27:48.579 --> 00:27:51.660
I hitchhike a ride with you? And I'll try and

00:27:51.660 --> 00:27:55.640
explain the best way I can. Oh, wow. The best

00:27:55.640 --> 00:27:59.240
way I can. So you just flew from Nelson to Wellington

00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:01.799
and you didn't have any connections. No, that

00:28:01.799 --> 00:28:05.039
was one of those miracle encounters that you

00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:08.720
hear about. And then next minute, you know, and

00:28:08.720 --> 00:28:10.700
I said, I hope I didn't look like that on my

00:28:10.700 --> 00:28:15.220
wedding photos. Because she just finished looking

00:28:15.220 --> 00:28:17.599
and I said, so I jump in the car. She drives

00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:20.559
me to, I said, I don't want you breaking your

00:28:20.559 --> 00:28:23.920
plan. I just want you to drive and I'll explain.

00:28:25.009 --> 00:28:27.809
And I said, I want to buy a cheap and nasty home

00:28:27.809 --> 00:28:31.710
here. Cheap and nasty. I don't care if it's flash.

00:28:32.650 --> 00:28:36.210
I just want to buy a cheap and nasty. And she

00:28:36.210 --> 00:28:39.730
goes, okay. I didn't know Sandy, you and Sandy

00:28:39.730 --> 00:28:41.890
were coming back to New Zealand. So didn't I

00:28:41.890 --> 00:28:46.710
until about a day ago up in the air. So do you

00:28:46.710 --> 00:28:48.650
know any places that are selling their homes

00:28:48.650 --> 00:28:52.750
cheap and nasty? And I said, I've got the place.

00:28:53.879 --> 00:28:58.220
So she drives me to this place called Housing

00:28:58.220 --> 00:29:00.920
New Zealand. It's a state home place. Sort of

00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:03.099
like low income. That's correct. Low income.

00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:05.119
That's what we call it in the States. So I went,

00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:08.640
oh, okay. So she explained herself and, oh no,

00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:12.220
I earn too much money to be in your homes. And

00:29:12.220 --> 00:29:15.859
she said to me, well, let me be the judge of

00:29:15.859 --> 00:29:18.559
it. We got an appointment straight away. You're

00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:21.390
supposed to have an appointment first. And I

00:29:21.390 --> 00:29:24.369
cold called them and she came out and she sat

00:29:24.369 --> 00:29:28.309
me down. And then she went through and she goes,

00:29:28.349 --> 00:29:31.490
well, let me be the judge of it and we'll go

00:29:31.490 --> 00:29:35.950
through, tick the box. So you said you're staying,

00:29:36.049 --> 00:29:39.609
sleeping in a caravan with your two sons? Yes.

00:29:40.630 --> 00:29:46.369
Tick. And I'm like this. And your husband is

00:29:46.369 --> 00:29:52.740
back in Australia? Yes, tick. Oh, I can't come

00:29:52.740 --> 00:29:56.160
in like that. Oh, no, no. Listen, darling, could

00:29:56.160 --> 00:29:59.440
you get the manager and just oversee this application?

00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:02.539
Because one thing I don't want to do is get you

00:30:02.539 --> 00:30:04.440
in trouble, and I don't want to come in the wrong

00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:07.940
way. I'm a pastor's wife. Could you imagine it?

00:30:09.299 --> 00:30:11.819
My husband won't be happy, and so won't God.

00:30:13.480 --> 00:30:17.299
Anyway, she goes, I am the regional manager.

00:30:20.439 --> 00:30:25.900
And I went, oh, okay. And I'm going like this,

00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:29.119
can I just have a moment? Is this you, Lord?

00:30:29.579 --> 00:30:32.440
Really? Do you do this sort of thing? Like I'm

00:30:32.440 --> 00:30:35.019
talking like that in my mind. And I'm covering

00:30:35.019 --> 00:30:38.460
my face and going, really, Lord? And it was.

00:30:39.099 --> 00:30:43.799
Wow. But she said to me that you can only rent

00:30:43.799 --> 00:30:46.160
through us and get first preference of the buy.

00:30:46.700 --> 00:30:49.920
the purchase if you rent. But you've got to meet

00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:53.079
our criteria. That was it, tick the box. And

00:30:53.079 --> 00:30:56.599
I got it. So I flew in at 10, flew out at 1 o

00:30:56.599 --> 00:31:00.160
'clock with a key in my hand. Oh, my. Never mind

00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:06.380
the 18 -month waiting list. Did you know that

00:31:06.380 --> 00:31:08.420
she was doing this? Oh, wait, I'm not getting

00:31:08.420 --> 00:31:14.180
to that yet. I ring him, and I'm going, I can't

00:31:14.180 --> 00:31:18.559
believe this, baby. He goes, well. Hold it, hold

00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:20.940
it, hold it. You're more connected than I am

00:31:20.940 --> 00:31:24.200
because you're the favourite one. Did you know

00:31:24.200 --> 00:31:26.880
we were coming back to New Zealand to stay? Did

00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:29.579
God tell you? And there was a long pause and

00:31:29.579 --> 00:31:32.900
I knew straight away. He goes, yes. How long

00:31:32.900 --> 00:31:35.279
have you known? Five years. I thought we had

00:31:35.279 --> 00:31:39.720
no secrets in this marriage. And he goes, darling,

00:31:39.859 --> 00:31:43.380
I couldn't tell you. I said to God, you need

00:31:43.380 --> 00:31:46.859
to tell your daughter. Wow. So where did he tell

00:31:46.859 --> 00:31:50.539
you? In the plane with the two boys. I felt like

00:31:50.539 --> 00:31:55.660
a single parent at the time. And he goes, wow.

00:31:55.980 --> 00:31:59.960
And he goes, well, I got us a place. Well, God

00:31:59.960 --> 00:32:04.319
got us a place. He's opened the door. But we're

00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:08.039
going to purchase it in a few months. Anyway,

00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:10.779
so I turned around and I said, it's at a place

00:32:10.779 --> 00:32:15.009
called Pomari. And he goes, spell it. Spell it,

00:32:15.029 --> 00:32:16.450
princess, and I spelt it. And you know where

00:32:16.450 --> 00:32:21.450
it was, right? And he goes, Pumari. That's the

00:32:21.450 --> 00:32:25.410
proper pronunciation. And I went, yeah, I think

00:32:25.410 --> 00:32:28.150
so. And then he goes, yes, and he's bouncing

00:32:28.150 --> 00:32:31.069
up and down. He's screaming. He's going, yes,

00:32:31.170 --> 00:32:33.470
that's where the gangs are. That's where I used

00:32:33.470 --> 00:32:38.910
to smoke a lot of drugs. Yes. And I went, what

00:32:38.910 --> 00:32:43.390
does that mean? Are we going back into the world?

00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:46.940
And he goes, no, no, we're going to go in a different

00:32:46.940 --> 00:32:51.779
man, a new man. Wow. And so that's where we got

00:32:51.779 --> 00:32:54.480
our first engagement. We moved in less than a

00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:57.720
year. We packed up the houses and we were told

00:32:57.720 --> 00:33:00.259
to give everything away. Give everything away

00:33:00.259 --> 00:33:03.599
and come only with your clothes. Right? Yep.

00:33:04.970 --> 00:33:09.690
Coffee machine. Oh, yeah. Can't leave that behind.

00:33:09.809 --> 00:33:12.910
He allowed you that one. Oh, I don't know about

00:33:12.910 --> 00:33:16.349
that. That cost me a year. You've got to be very

00:33:16.349 --> 00:33:18.369
careful when God gives you instructions. You've

00:33:18.369 --> 00:33:20.230
got to follow them. He must have been a very

00:33:20.230 --> 00:33:23.509
nice coffee machine. I didn't think New Zealand

00:33:23.509 --> 00:33:27.269
had any. Wow. That's why it's all done. Oh, okay.

00:33:27.349 --> 00:33:30.049
That's why I brought it. It was British kind

00:33:30.049 --> 00:33:33.009
of tea. I know. It was the history. The lady

00:33:33.009 --> 00:33:37.470
at the airport, chicken, she lifts the bag up

00:33:37.470 --> 00:33:41.109
and says, oh, that's a pretty heavy bag. Yeah,

00:33:41.109 --> 00:33:45.910
and I said, I just bought new underwear. And

00:33:45.910 --> 00:33:49.849
she goes, pretty heavy underwear. They still

00:33:49.849 --> 00:33:56.180
got the price tag on it. So while she was getting

00:33:56.180 --> 00:33:59.539
the house sorted out, I was getting sorted out

00:33:59.539 --> 00:34:02.480
in Australia. And the Lord actually had me on

00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:07.319
the floor most nights. And the last thing that

00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:09.500
he said to me before I came over to New Zealand

00:34:09.500 --> 00:34:13.179
was, woe be unto the pastors who lead my sheep

00:34:13.179 --> 00:34:18.699
astray. And I go, oh, I'm not worthy. I'm not

00:34:18.699 --> 00:34:21.619
worthy. I'm not going to be. No, you're a pastor,

00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:24.099
but you don't lead my sheep astray. I said, okay,

00:34:24.179 --> 00:34:26.199
I'll just be a sheepdog. I'll lead them to you

00:34:26.199 --> 00:34:29.440
and let you sort it out from there. He's the

00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:31.780
shepherd. He's the shepherd, absolutely. Yeah.

00:34:32.380 --> 00:34:36.099
And so in the process of moving into Pumari,

00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:38.320
of course, the first thing we started doing was

00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:42.539
praying for that community because it was. worst

00:34:42.539 --> 00:34:46.139
place to be living and it was terrible um we

00:34:46.139 --> 00:34:48.960
had to go in with nothing because we're moving

00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:52.699
into a community that has nothing yeah yeah and

00:34:52.699 --> 00:34:56.159
so immediately we transformed the house that

00:34:56.159 --> 00:34:59.059
we were living in by painting and and doing everything

00:34:59.059 --> 00:35:01.579
up and a lot of people you love to come to our

00:35:01.579 --> 00:35:04.340
house simply because it was like stepping into

00:35:04.340 --> 00:35:07.989
a new world you know because you You painted

00:35:07.989 --> 00:35:10.269
it up according to the lifestyle we were living

00:35:10.269 --> 00:35:13.170
in and used to in Australia, you know, with feature

00:35:13.170 --> 00:35:17.349
walls and nice leather lounge suites. And yet

00:35:17.349 --> 00:35:20.510
we came with nothing, but God provided a truckload

00:35:20.510 --> 00:35:25.769
of furniture for us as we were moving. We spent

00:35:25.769 --> 00:35:28.909
two weeks painting the place up ourselves. And

00:35:28.909 --> 00:35:30.570
of course, oh, you're getting free rent for that?

00:35:30.690 --> 00:35:33.789
No, no, no. We are living how we want to live.

00:35:34.569 --> 00:35:37.489
And so we set it up and the neighborhood began

00:35:37.489 --> 00:35:43.130
to use our place as a rest stop. Stepping out

00:35:43.130 --> 00:35:45.909
of that community and into our house was like

00:35:45.909 --> 00:35:47.869
walking into the TARDIS, they said. I don't know

00:35:47.869 --> 00:35:51.530
if you know the TARDIS. No. Dr. Who was a science

00:35:51.530 --> 00:35:55.409
fiction character who had this telephone box.

00:35:56.050 --> 00:36:00.769
It was actually a UFO. And it was about the size

00:36:00.769 --> 00:36:02.670
of a telephone box, and you walked inside it.

00:36:02.690 --> 00:36:05.150
It was like a city inside it almost. I don't

00:36:05.150 --> 00:36:07.710
think that show hit America. No, it was a British

00:36:07.710 --> 00:36:10.309
one. Yeah, I've heard of it, but I've never seen

00:36:10.309 --> 00:36:14.369
it. Anyway, so they found it was different, and

00:36:14.369 --> 00:36:17.110
a lot of people would come just for the piece.

00:36:17.449 --> 00:36:21.070
Wow. And that's how it began, just for the piece.

00:36:21.170 --> 00:36:24.940
But we had a pretty… quick and rough introduction

00:36:24.940 --> 00:36:28.119
to the community as Princess encountered the

00:36:28.119 --> 00:36:30.980
first visitor to our house. It was nothing to

00:36:30.980 --> 00:36:33.139
do with the churches or anything like that, but

00:36:33.139 --> 00:36:34.880
it was actually from one of the gang members'

00:36:35.059 --> 00:36:39.219
wives. Yeah, and she bought a box where I thought,

00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:42.400
a box of food, a box on the door to welcome me

00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:45.559
into the community. And then I thought it was

00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:48.739
a donation week. So I just grabbed a tin of canned

00:36:48.739 --> 00:36:52.289
beans and just put it in the box. And she goes,

00:36:52.369 --> 00:36:54.869
no, you fool. It belongs to you. This is you.

00:36:55.909 --> 00:36:59.349
Welcome to our hood, you know. And I'm going,

00:36:59.469 --> 00:37:05.409
okay. Pretty flash hood. But even within the

00:37:05.409 --> 00:37:09.389
first month, there was three murders. A lot of

00:37:09.389 --> 00:37:12.989
alcohol, a lot of drugs, a lot of crime, a lot

00:37:12.989 --> 00:37:15.949
of theft, a lot of everything. Everything that

00:37:15.949 --> 00:37:20.260
the enemy likes. And we were dead centre in it.

00:37:20.340 --> 00:37:23.320
So before we get to our house, you've got to

00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:29.579
drive past their pad, their club, and then get

00:37:29.579 --> 00:37:32.940
into our driveway. So we see everything. And

00:37:32.940 --> 00:37:36.360
I went, whoa, this is like I'm getting punished.

00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:42.440
What seemed like exciting now turns into here

00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:48.369
I'm coming in with a Bible and God. Crikey, they've

00:37:48.369 --> 00:37:51.130
got guns and stuff, you know. Yeah, wow. But

00:37:51.130 --> 00:37:54.750
he said, trust in me. Yeah. With all your heart,

00:37:54.750 --> 00:37:57.889
my girl. And I will open up the windows of heaven

00:37:57.889 --> 00:38:01.329
for you. Everything you put your hands to, I

00:38:01.329 --> 00:38:04.909
will bless. Beautiful. Because of your obedience

00:38:04.909 --> 00:38:08.469
coming here. Beautiful. And in that process,

00:38:08.710 --> 00:38:12.969
very quickly we managed to get into the local

00:38:12.969 --> 00:38:15.750
community house, which was... It's almost like

00:38:15.750 --> 00:38:19.429
the centre, the hub of the community. Of course,

00:38:19.429 --> 00:38:21.929
that meant all the gangsters were in and out

00:38:21.929 --> 00:38:24.690
of that house all the time. And they needed volunteers,

00:38:24.949 --> 00:38:27.090
so she went across and started volunteering.

00:38:27.650 --> 00:38:33.469
And we had our chance to start to work with these

00:38:33.469 --> 00:38:38.730
guys. And in that time, we got to bring about

00:38:38.730 --> 00:38:41.170
a whole lot of changes in people's lives simply

00:38:41.170 --> 00:38:44.179
by just... being there and loving on them going

00:38:44.179 --> 00:38:46.960
to the hospital when they're going to how many

00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:49.000
times we had to take the wives into the hospital

00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:52.179
because they got beaten up oh my how many times

00:38:52.179 --> 00:38:54.360
we had to go and pick up the guys from the police

00:38:54.360 --> 00:38:57.079
station because they got hauled and drunk Oh,

00:38:57.199 --> 00:39:00.000
wow. And so that was our normal lifestyle for

00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:02.579
a while. And you just serve the community, just

00:39:02.579 --> 00:39:06.619
love on them, start doing food parcels out. They

00:39:06.619 --> 00:39:09.500
came to us with a food parcel. All of that was

00:39:09.500 --> 00:39:11.420
organized out of their house, and very quickly

00:39:11.420 --> 00:39:14.179
Princess became, within a few months, became

00:39:14.179 --> 00:39:17.679
the manager of the place. Wow. And so we actually

00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:20.480
got to run our church out of the community house.

00:39:21.079 --> 00:39:24.420
Wow. At that stage, we had five of us in our

00:39:24.420 --> 00:39:28.389
church. There was Princess myself, our two sons.

00:39:28.809 --> 00:39:33.429
Wow. And James. Oh, wow. Papa James, he was our

00:39:33.429 --> 00:39:36.730
first disciple here in New Zealand. He was your

00:39:36.730 --> 00:39:40.449
first disciple? Yes. Oh. We'll interview him

00:39:40.449 --> 00:39:43.949
in another episode. Yes, yes. So he's been with

00:39:43.949 --> 00:39:47.829
me for 16 years. Wow. And saw us go through the

00:39:47.829 --> 00:39:50.789
transition. Because when we came in from Australia,

00:39:50.809 --> 00:39:52.530
we actually had to get rid of a whole lot of

00:39:52.530 --> 00:39:56.619
religious. Sure. Thoughts and behaviours and

00:39:56.619 --> 00:39:59.179
actually transformed the way we did church all

00:39:59.179 --> 00:40:03.380
together. Sure. Because we came over with a devil

00:40:03.380 --> 00:40:09.840
-proof discipleship plan. Okay. Yeah, well, that

00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:14.579
went out the door. God said, no, I want fresh

00:40:14.579 --> 00:40:18.639
manna. My children deserve fresh manna from me.

00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:22.570
Beautiful. I said, oh, okay. Chuck that out and

00:40:22.570 --> 00:40:24.869
said, okay then, how are we going to do this?

00:40:24.989 --> 00:40:26.750
How are we going to do that? And then the first

00:40:26.750 --> 00:40:30.730
thing that came was the word. Yes. That's it.

00:40:30.829 --> 00:40:34.090
That was our discipleship plan. And I'm going,

00:40:34.190 --> 00:40:37.510
okay then, then what? And then we started from

00:40:37.510 --> 00:40:41.670
there. But it was all about teaching people how

00:40:41.670 --> 00:40:44.820
to have a relationship with God. Exactly. And

00:40:44.820 --> 00:40:47.659
it's just like you and me. When I pick up the

00:40:47.659 --> 00:40:50.480
phone, if I've known you for a year or so, you'll

00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:52.360
know it's me because you know my voice. Exactly.

00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:56.539
The same principle as God. Right. I mean, us

00:40:56.539 --> 00:40:59.079
Māori people have known spiritual world for a

00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:02.559
very long time, since birth. You know, we brought

00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:06.639
eat, sleep and whatever. And so we're brought

00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:10.079
up really well with it. But what happened was

00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:14.199
that we ended up not teaching them how to. connect

00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:18.719
it was discovering how they are already connecting

00:41:18.719 --> 00:41:22.420
right that's good and it was not like we trained

00:41:22.420 --> 00:41:25.260
them it was like they already had it it's just

00:41:25.260 --> 00:41:28.019
that they haven't found it yet yeah so we started

00:41:28.019 --> 00:41:30.880
teaching them um what they were seeing and what

00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:33.079
they were hearing right and to find what was

00:41:33.079 --> 00:41:36.079
god and what was not good and so it went from

00:41:36.079 --> 00:41:39.219
there that way All the ownership is not on one

00:41:39.219 --> 00:41:41.420
person. Right. But they go for their answers

00:41:41.420 --> 00:41:45.360
straight to God. Exactly. And not a man. That's

00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:48.179
true discipleship. And it's not to say that you

00:41:48.179 --> 00:41:50.599
go away from the brethren because you need the

00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:54.920
army for the witnesses, you know, the witness

00:41:54.920 --> 00:41:58.269
of one or two or three. Right. To back up your

00:41:58.269 --> 00:42:01.409
vision or your dream that you had. And so we

00:42:01.409 --> 00:42:04.849
started training there. But that came later on.

00:42:04.929 --> 00:42:07.989
But with the gangs, however, that was a different

00:42:07.989 --> 00:42:10.730
story altogether. It was all about education,

00:42:11.269 --> 00:42:18.250
upskilling, and employment, and housing, and

00:42:18.250 --> 00:42:23.130
business. That was a massive development. That

00:42:23.130 --> 00:42:26.090
was massive, yeah. We go in there, the percentages

00:42:26.090 --> 00:42:29.829
were like 95 % unemployed. Three generations

00:42:29.829 --> 00:42:33.710
of families that were stuck in that environment.

00:42:33.929 --> 00:42:36.550
And that actually turned around within a five

00:42:36.550 --> 00:42:40.769
-year period to 95 % employed. Glory to God.

00:42:40.849 --> 00:42:43.929
And from homeless to homeowners. That was the

00:42:43.929 --> 00:42:46.289
next stage after the gangs. That was the next

00:42:46.289 --> 00:42:47.789
stage after the gangs. We took it out of the

00:42:47.789 --> 00:42:50.750
community and went into the city. And other communities

00:42:50.750 --> 00:42:53.070
started reaching out to the homeless out there,

00:42:53.210 --> 00:42:55.769
taking what we'd learnt working with the local

00:42:55.769 --> 00:42:59.309
gangs and applying the same knowledge that God

00:42:59.309 --> 00:43:04.090
had given us. And they were much more progressive

00:43:04.090 --> 00:43:08.730
in taking on God. In actual fact, from those

00:43:08.730 --> 00:43:13.690
homeless people, we saw in a three -year period.

00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:18.599
During the COVID period, when it was near impossible

00:43:18.599 --> 00:43:23.639
to buy a home or get housing anywhere, 100 %

00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:29.840
success in getting everybody housed. Wow. 100%.

00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:33.679
And it got to the stage where the state agencies

00:43:33.679 --> 00:43:38.300
were coming to us for help. Glory to God. And

00:43:38.300 --> 00:43:41.460
sending their clients to us to deal with. We

00:43:41.460 --> 00:43:43.900
didn't mind that because in the process, they

00:43:43.900 --> 00:43:47.059
all got led to the Lord. Hallelujah. And after

00:43:47.059 --> 00:43:49.780
the COVID period, and we've got to keep moving

00:43:49.780 --> 00:43:54.360
because we're running low, 30 -odd families had

00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:58.570
established. home churches. Wow. And each of

00:43:58.570 --> 00:44:00.769
those home churches had roughly six to eight

00:44:00.769 --> 00:44:04.230
people in them. Well, three or four years later,

00:44:04.510 --> 00:44:10.250
that 30 has become 250 home churches. As they

00:44:10.250 --> 00:44:13.590
reached out to their families with the same help

00:44:13.590 --> 00:44:16.219
that they got. Beautiful. And leading them to

00:44:16.219 --> 00:44:18.900
the Lord the same way they were led. That's outpouring.

00:44:19.019 --> 00:44:21.599
So that's absolute outpouring. Outpouring, yeah.

00:44:21.639 --> 00:44:25.079
So we saw our whole community turn over like

00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:28.159
that. One of the big benefits that we got, we

00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:31.940
were blessed to have an opportunity to buy all

00:44:31.940 --> 00:44:33.900
the land in the community that we were living

00:44:33.900 --> 00:44:36.780
in. Wow. And the Lord told us to put in a bid

00:44:36.780 --> 00:44:40.239
to buy it. Now that land was worth around about

00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:44.380
$16 million at that stage. So this is a few years

00:44:44.380 --> 00:44:48.019
ago now. And in the church was the five of us.

00:44:48.639 --> 00:44:52.199
Wow. And I was the only one working. Wow. I wasn't

00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:54.360
a pastor staying at home. I was a working pastor.

00:44:55.059 --> 00:44:57.659
And so, you know, I just had to fill in the time

00:44:57.659 --> 00:45:01.760
with everything I could. And you know what? We

00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:05.199
put in a bit and it got accepted. Wow. Then came

00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:11.179
the scary part. Yeah. 16 million dollars. Wow.

00:45:11.179 --> 00:45:14.659
We got the money. Glory to God. God got the money.

00:45:14.679 --> 00:45:17.400
God set my wife up to find the right person,

00:45:17.480 --> 00:45:20.239
and we got the money. And then God pulls us out

00:45:20.239 --> 00:45:25.539
of the deal before we close it because it wasn't

00:45:25.539 --> 00:45:28.940
our purpose to buy the property. It was just

00:45:28.940 --> 00:45:31.699
to put in the bid and do what we're told to do.

00:45:31.780 --> 00:45:33.960
And sometimes God does that. Yes, he does. He

00:45:33.960 --> 00:45:36.360
sends us on a mission, not for us to fulfill

00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:38.539
that mission, but for us to learn something.

00:45:38.780 --> 00:45:40.980
Right. Very true. And I asked him that question,

00:45:41.139 --> 00:45:44.980
why did you do that for, Lord? Because you really

00:45:44.980 --> 00:45:52.760
upset my wife. And he said three things. The

00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:56.079
first thing was by putting in a bid, we got privy

00:45:56.079 --> 00:45:58.739
to all the information regarding the development.

00:46:00.059 --> 00:46:04.480
Secondly, we got to see that God could do anything.

00:46:04.659 --> 00:46:09.260
Yes. That a church of five people could get $16

00:46:09.260 --> 00:46:12.519
million. That's pretty amazing. Yeah. And that

00:46:12.519 --> 00:46:16.659
wasn't like over 10 years. 10 weeks this thing

00:46:16.659 --> 00:46:20.059
happened. Wow. And thirdly, I was to get alongside

00:46:20.059 --> 00:46:22.980
another pastor in the community who listened

00:46:22.980 --> 00:46:24.940
to what was going on and said, this is so crazy,

00:46:24.940 --> 00:46:27.139
it's got to be God. Can I come for a journey

00:46:27.139 --> 00:46:30.820
with you? His name's Pastor Greg Moti. Pastor

00:46:30.820 --> 00:46:34.099
Greg Moti, yeah. And Rich knows him as well.

00:46:34.340 --> 00:46:37.480
We lost the, so I was threatened because when

00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:39.619
we came back into the meeting, I had to renege.

00:46:40.340 --> 00:46:44.059
But you have a 30 -day close. So, you know. So

00:46:44.059 --> 00:46:47.659
I walked in and I got threatened. He goes, you'll

00:46:47.659 --> 00:46:50.679
never work in this space ever again. I will make

00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:53.199
sure of it. In fact, you're going to lose your

00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:55.059
job. You'll never get to work in this space.

00:46:55.579 --> 00:46:57.920
And then he walked out the door and I said, man,

00:46:58.000 --> 00:47:01.980
I don't blame him for saying that. This was a

00:47:01.980 --> 00:47:06.539
long journey for our community. But anyway, he

00:47:06.539 --> 00:47:10.539
walks out and about two weeks the next, you know

00:47:10.539 --> 00:47:13.780
how you have tenders? and you have expressive

00:47:13.780 --> 00:47:16.539
interest, and then you get to win it, but they

00:47:16.539 --> 00:47:18.539
go to the next, lay it down, next person down.

00:47:19.019 --> 00:47:22.099
Well, this guy named Peter Savage, he's from

00:47:22.099 --> 00:47:25.519
City Living, and he ended up getting the deal.

00:47:25.699 --> 00:47:29.739
He ended up paying the 16 mil. And then next

00:47:29.739 --> 00:47:31.599
minute, you know, he comes walking in. I didn't

00:47:31.599 --> 00:47:33.619
know who he was. He comes into the community

00:47:33.619 --> 00:47:36.960
house, and he goes, Oh, excuse me, my name's...

00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:39.480
Peter Savage. And I said, oh, yeah, what can

00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:42.079
I do for you? He goes, I'm from City Living.

00:47:42.179 --> 00:47:45.639
I own the property now. I own this property.

00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:47.539
I'm about to build all the homes. And I went,

00:47:47.619 --> 00:47:51.639
oh, wow. Wow, that's awesome. Well, welcome to

00:47:51.639 --> 00:47:54.340
our community. And he goes, what can I do for

00:47:54.340 --> 00:47:55.760
you? And I said, oh, I just want to, I'm just

00:47:55.760 --> 00:47:58.239
looking for somebody or something. I don't know.

00:47:58.719 --> 00:48:03.059
Anyway, I had a dream last night of a person.

00:48:03.880 --> 00:48:07.340
It could be a princess or a princess, a real

00:48:07.340 --> 00:48:09.579
princess or a person that goes by the name of

00:48:09.579 --> 00:48:15.000
princess. And I said, oh, that'll be me. And

00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:17.900
he goes, oh, really? And I said, no, really.

00:48:18.380 --> 00:48:20.300
And I said, well, what are you doing? And his

00:48:20.300 --> 00:48:24.119
wife was next to him. And yeah, well, I'm princess.

00:48:24.460 --> 00:48:27.019
And he goes, well, what's happened? What did

00:48:27.019 --> 00:48:30.099
you dream? And he said, well, you are to build

00:48:30.099 --> 00:48:36.599
a team and to spearhead this development. And

00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:40.460
all in all, okay. And then his wife turns around.

00:48:40.599 --> 00:48:44.880
She looks at me and she goes, you know what?

00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:47.880
When my husband woke up yelling out the name

00:48:47.880 --> 00:48:51.280
Princess, I thought he was having an affair.

00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:58.280
Oh, no. And I said, well, don't you think I can

00:48:58.280 --> 00:49:03.300
get your husband? Oh, come on. Her and I are

00:49:03.300 --> 00:49:06.159
very good friends. Her name is Liz, and she's

00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:10.019
a lovely lady. She laughed, and we laughed it

00:49:10.019 --> 00:49:13.400
off. And I said, I'll be honoured to spearhead

00:49:13.400 --> 00:49:17.219
this for you. And I said, what do you think the

00:49:17.219 --> 00:49:19.579
team looks like? And he said, I want council

00:49:19.579 --> 00:49:23.119
involved. I want kiangora, low -income people

00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:30.019
involved, and all the agencies involved. And

00:49:30.019 --> 00:49:33.320
I said, okay then. Right, and so we had architects,

00:49:33.659 --> 00:49:36.780
we had the builders, we had all them, that sort

00:49:36.780 --> 00:49:39.940
of people. And the person that threatened me

00:49:39.940 --> 00:49:45.119
was there. He was the regional manager. He was

00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:47.320
the new one. So he sat there at the end of the

00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:50.300
table and I said, oh, thank you for, and I invited

00:49:50.300 --> 00:49:54.079
everybody. I said, thank you for replying to

00:49:54.079 --> 00:49:58.050
my message and thank you for attending. And then

00:49:58.050 --> 00:50:00.469
I let them know, gave them an introduction of

00:50:00.469 --> 00:50:04.349
why we're there. And they were all in. I said,

00:50:04.369 --> 00:50:07.510
I just wanted everyone to go around to introduce

00:50:07.510 --> 00:50:10.829
yourselves and where you're from and what part

00:50:10.829 --> 00:50:13.710
you'd be playing and concerning the redevelopment.

00:50:13.750 --> 00:50:16.530
And the guy, when it got to the kainga ora guy,

00:50:16.750 --> 00:50:21.530
the guy that threatened me, he goes, and I'm

00:50:21.530 --> 00:50:26.289
going, hmm. And he said, oh, thank you for the

00:50:26.289 --> 00:50:29.550
invitation. Probably need to apologise to your

00:50:29.550 --> 00:50:32.949
princess. Oh, wow. For what I said to you. It

00:50:32.949 --> 00:50:37.130
wasn't a very nice thing I said. No right to

00:50:37.130 --> 00:50:43.030
say it. Beautiful. Closure. Mate, we're a team.

00:50:43.090 --> 00:50:45.949
We're a family now. Wow. Yeah, water under the

00:50:45.949 --> 00:50:49.170
bridge. Beautiful, beautiful. So just to finish

00:50:49.170 --> 00:50:51.349
off on that story, and I think we need to come

00:50:51.349 --> 00:50:55.099
to a close just about on that. We saw our whole

00:50:55.099 --> 00:50:59.179
community redeveloped physically on the outside

00:50:59.179 --> 00:51:02.940
by the housing, but also internally with the

00:51:02.940 --> 00:51:05.920
training and education and the employment of

00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:09.920
everybody. And the next step, and I complained

00:51:09.920 --> 00:51:12.480
to the Lord about this, and I said, what about

00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:14.980
the Spirit, Lord? We've got every other base

00:51:14.980 --> 00:51:16.880
covered. What about the Spirit? And that's where

00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:20.519
those 30 home churches, which became 250. Was

00:51:20.519 --> 00:51:23.019
the next development of it. Beautiful. But that

00:51:23.019 --> 00:51:26.860
housing deal, the guy won it. He ended up having

00:51:26.860 --> 00:51:30.260
to pay another $10 million. Wow. Because there's

00:51:30.260 --> 00:51:34.139
contamination in the land from asbestos. Oh,

00:51:34.139 --> 00:51:37.659
no. And then it took another year and a half

00:51:37.659 --> 00:51:41.019
for that to be done. Wow. So we were saved by

00:51:41.019 --> 00:51:44.519
God. Wow. But he knew what was going on anyway.

00:51:44.960 --> 00:51:48.280
Yeah. But we were saved by following his example.

00:51:48.539 --> 00:51:53.389
Yes. Abraham's example. Yes. You know, the promised

00:51:53.389 --> 00:51:56.429
land, which was the community, was the son, Isaac.

00:51:56.869 --> 00:51:59.530
Yes. And then he was told to take him up on the

00:51:59.530 --> 00:52:03.010
mountain and sacrifice him. He did that. And

00:52:03.010 --> 00:52:05.469
so we were told to sign up the deal. And then

00:52:05.469 --> 00:52:08.719
God says, stop. I've got a ram for you. Somebody

00:52:08.719 --> 00:52:12.360
else can pay the price. Glory to God. So I just

00:52:12.360 --> 00:52:14.159
want to give a quick overview of what really

00:52:14.159 --> 00:52:17.860
happened, what happened in New Zealand. So when

00:52:17.860 --> 00:52:21.539
we touched base there, there was family violence,

00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:23.960
heavy family violence. There was theft. There

00:52:23.960 --> 00:52:26.960
was murder. There was so much criminal activity

00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:30.909
happening. And then God turned. He poured his

00:52:30.909 --> 00:52:34.230
spirit out on all mankind in our community. And

00:52:34.230 --> 00:52:37.469
it was rearranged, transformed. But the thing

00:52:37.469 --> 00:52:42.150
was, the spirit also fell on believers as well.

00:52:42.510 --> 00:52:44.909
Yes. Because he taught us how to look beyond

00:52:44.909 --> 00:52:48.929
what we can see. Yes. Beautiful. And I said,

00:52:49.050 --> 00:52:51.150
well, what does that look like, Lord? And he

00:52:51.150 --> 00:52:53.289
said, I'm going to show you the kingdom of God

00:52:53.289 --> 00:52:56.889
inside of people. That incorruptible seed. I

00:52:56.889 --> 00:52:59.530
love that. That's inside of people. Yeah. That

00:52:59.530 --> 00:53:02.489
I planted, that seed that I planted there. That's

00:53:02.489 --> 00:53:05.210
right. And so I thought, oh, this is going to

00:53:05.210 --> 00:53:07.989
be good. So we got to practice every day because

00:53:07.989 --> 00:53:11.030
we were with them every day. Beautiful. And so

00:53:11.030 --> 00:53:14.230
it was like setting myself up ready to practice.

00:53:15.769 --> 00:53:18.610
I love it. And then, you know, looking beyond

00:53:18.610 --> 00:53:22.250
the tattoos, looking beyond the crime, looking

00:53:22.250 --> 00:53:24.849
beyond, beyond. In actual fact, he was showing

00:53:24.849 --> 00:53:28.550
us what's to come. Beautiful. See how he sees

00:53:28.550 --> 00:53:31.989
them. And so he stopped letting us look at the

00:53:31.989 --> 00:53:36.230
present. We stopped looking at the past. Because

00:53:36.230 --> 00:53:38.369
that's one of the things that blinds a lot of

00:53:38.369 --> 00:53:41.929
people is their present. And then they start

00:53:41.929 --> 00:53:46.610
praying like this. Oh, Lord, Lord, please heal.

00:53:46.869 --> 00:53:49.829
And that's a good thing to say. Lord, please

00:53:49.829 --> 00:53:53.670
heal of drug addiction. Then they start calling

00:53:53.670 --> 00:53:56.349
this thing out on these people. And I said, you're

00:53:56.349 --> 00:53:59.489
actually declaring this over them. And I said,

00:53:59.590 --> 00:54:03.329
well, our prayers need to be praying like it's

00:54:03.329 --> 00:54:06.199
already happened. Exactly. Lord, thank you for

00:54:06.199 --> 00:54:08.400
the healing. Lord, thank you for the addiction

00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:10.659
that you've healed. Thank you, Lord, for pouring

00:54:10.659 --> 00:54:13.000
your spirit out on them. Lord, I can da -da -da.

00:54:13.260 --> 00:54:16.480
But it's like, and I noticed that was happening,

00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:20.340
but he showed us how to build into them, build

00:54:20.340 --> 00:54:22.920
Christ into them, and that was an awesome thing.

00:54:23.139 --> 00:54:27.119
That's why it was 100 % successful. Amen. It's

00:54:27.119 --> 00:54:29.719
because we followed the instructions of the Lord.

00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:32.119
Beautiful. And we did not go off. There was a

00:54:32.119 --> 00:54:35.440
few mistakes, but, you know. You make them. You're

00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:37.300
human. And you repent and you move on. That's

00:54:37.300 --> 00:54:40.280
correct. You don't stay there. Right. I think

00:54:40.280 --> 00:54:43.760
the key to it for the start for us was not to

00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:45.840
get God to try and bless what we were doing.

00:54:46.059 --> 00:54:48.659
Exactly. But find out what he was blessing and

00:54:48.659 --> 00:54:52.000
co -labor with him. Right. And I think when you

00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:53.679
talk to Richard, you'll hear much more about

00:54:53.679 --> 00:54:56.599
co -laboring as well. Okay. Well, let's do an

00:54:56.599 --> 00:54:59.480
episode with him. As we close, Pastor Sandy,

00:54:59.599 --> 00:55:02.380
would you please pray for our listeners? Father.

00:55:03.630 --> 00:55:09.170
Lord, we know that you have every need met. Lord,

00:55:09.190 --> 00:55:12.929
and I pray, Father, that people are encouraged

00:55:12.929 --> 00:55:17.530
to continue to pray for their loved ones. They're

00:55:17.530 --> 00:55:21.130
encouraged to look at their community and their

00:55:21.130 --> 00:55:26.289
towns and their cities and see the hand of God

00:55:26.289 --> 00:55:29.190
moving in the midst of them. Yes. That they would

00:55:29.190 --> 00:55:32.829
respond to what you were doing, Lord. And co

00:55:32.829 --> 00:55:37.710
-labor with you as you pour out your spirit on

00:55:37.710 --> 00:55:41.670
all flesh. Because we are in those days. Yes.

00:55:41.869 --> 00:55:45.010
And they haven't stopped from the day of Pentecost.

00:55:45.150 --> 00:55:47.329
That's right. Until you return, you're going

00:55:47.329 --> 00:55:50.690
to continue pouring out your spirit, Father.

00:55:51.090 --> 00:55:53.869
And so I pray, Lord, that we all enter into this

00:55:53.869 --> 00:55:58.510
place of cooperation and co -laboring as we see

00:55:58.510 --> 00:56:03.420
heaven. manifesting on earth through our words,

00:56:03.599 --> 00:56:07.119
through our deeds, and through your Spirit. In

00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:25.679
Jesus' name. Amen. Your review helps the podcasting

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