(261) “Find What You’re Longing for in the Deepest Place of Your Heart” with Three O’Clock Session

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Let's have a session, an intentional meeting.

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It's an appointment to go in behind that veil

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that was torn into the very presence of God and

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meet with him. And the beautiful thing is that's

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the place where we can just enter into his presence

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and the very deepest places of our heart find

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what we are longing for. God promises in Joel

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2 .28 to pour out His Spirit on all humanity.

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Welcome to Global Outpouring, where we contend

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for that promised outpouring, and we equip for

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that outpouring so that we may engage in that

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very outpouring. I'm Philip Buss. And I'm Sharon

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Buss. Welcome to the podcast today. We're so

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glad that you're with us. We have some very special

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guests today. Dave and Donna and Wes Brooks,

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they formed the musical worship group called

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Three O 'Clock Session. And we're going to talk

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about finding what you're longing for in the

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deepest place of your heart. Thank you so much

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for joining us today. This is going to be a marvelous

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podcast that you are going to be blessed by.

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There's some wonderful things that we're going

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to be talking about. But before we get started,

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we want to encourage you, if you haven't already

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done so, that you go to our website, globaloutpouring

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.net. And make sure that you have signed up for

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our email list so that we can stay in touch with

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you, keep you informed of what we're doing. And

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while you're there on our website, you can look

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at our events tab. And especially right now,

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look at that tab that talks about the Global

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Outpouring Convention 2025, St. Louis Airport

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Marriott, May 21st through 24th. We're going

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to have a glory time. Three o 'clock session

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will be with us. And we're going to have such

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an amazing presence of the Lord in worship and

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intercession. The teaching that we're going to

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be receiving from Tony Kemp and Dean Braxton

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and Jeff Simons. Siggy Oblander is going to be

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our opening night speaker. Dr. Jean Little will

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be. bringing them a message about Israel, and

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I'll be speaking as well. And we're going to

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have a time in the presence of God that will

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be life -changing. It's just something you got

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to get there for. You got to get there if you

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possibly can. So we encourage you, if you possibly

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can come, please, please, please. It's going

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to be a family event. We have something for every

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member of the family. nursery for the little

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ones and children's meetings and youth meetings

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and just an opportunity for every age to grow

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in the grace of God and to get closer to Him

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and learn how to move in the Spirit, learn how

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to hear the Holy Spirit and operate with Him

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in conjunction with Him. So we just want to encourage

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you, please, please pray into this and come if

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you possibly can. Well, we have with us today,

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three o 'clock session, Dave, Donna, and Wes

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Brooks. We are so delighted to have you with

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us. Thank you for joining us today. Honored to

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be with you. We're excited to be with you. Yeah.

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That's wonderful. That's wonderful. The Lord

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really has connected us in such a beautiful way.

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We heard you a little bit on probably YouTube

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or someplace watching some other kinds of events

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that we were taking in online. And then we met

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you in Peru, I think it was. Not Peru the nation,

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but Peru, Illinois. Yeah. It was in the shopping

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mall. Yes. Yes. During COVID when you weren't

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supposed to be doing anything and we were doing

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it anyway. Hallelujah. It was beautiful. It was

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a beautiful event. And we were delighted to get

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acquainted with you a little bit. And then you

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came to our convention last year. It was such

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a blessing to have you. And we're looking forward

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to having you at this convention too. Amen. Thank

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you. It was it was a joy to be with you guys

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last year and we're looking forward as well.

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Yes, we're excited. So do you like this is going

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to be a different convention than last year because

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we're meeting in a hotel. We're expecting more

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people. Not a lot of people decide to make the

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trip all the way to Jasper, Arkansas and beyond,

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you know, out into the boonies where, you know,

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there's just not. a whole lot of stuff going

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on, beautiful Ozark Mountains. Yeah, and they

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stay down in our valley with our 1 ,000 -foot

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drop road, which is, I remember somebody once

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going up the hill, they said, I put a faith tape

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in when I go up the hill. Yeah. Put in Kenneth

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Hagin going up the hill. Right. Yeah. So what

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was your impression of being together this last

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year? Did you have any takeaways? I sure did.

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It was profound to be at Angletall where Gwen

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Shaw and everything, so much history and the

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community that was there. I had known about the

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history of Global Outpouring and End Time Handmaidens.

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I knew a little bit about it before we were there

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and before you gave us the invitation. So it

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was extraordinary to be there and to meet so

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many lovely people that are part of the ministry.

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And to share that time together, it was profound.

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And I would just add to that, you put together

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a strong line of speakers, but there was also

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an interesting dynamic, something very special

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that happens when you combine the solid teaching

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with a heart of worship, a collective heart of

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worship with intercession. And there were intercessors

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there. And that was just a real highlight for

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us, seeing all of that come together. The community

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was pressing in and interceding, and our role

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at some points was just to almost provide a soundtrack

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for intercession. Well, and you did it so well.

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That was one of the reasons why we invited you,

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was to bring that weight of glory that you carry

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in the music. It's very weighty. Your anointing

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is weighty with the glory. to bring that into

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the mix, shall we say, of worship and intercession

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together. Like we do this. This prayer time before

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we start the meetings, that's what it is. We

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put up flags and in this venue that we're going

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to, we'll have room for more flags. We'll have

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more representation of the nations that members

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of this ministry have gone to and ministered

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in. And it's a time when people connect with

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God in intercession and particularly for the

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nations. And when you have that weight of the

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glory in You know, the presence of God, just

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the weightiness. I can't think of any other word

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to use. It's the presence of the Lord is just

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so there. And they feed off of each other. The

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intercession and the worship feed together into

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this atmosphere of the glory and the presence

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of God. And that was really why we invited you,

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because we knew that that was going to be what

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we needed. We love to be. leaders of worshipers.

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Amen. For many beautiful worshipers there. And

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as we were worshiping in his glory, it was so

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amazing to see different ones going to different

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flags, different countries around the world that

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they were interceding for. And so we'll never

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know fully all that was accomplished. Someday

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we will. Yes. But there was just a knowing. that

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there was a lot being accomplished as we were

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worshiping him and interceding. And there was

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one lady that came up to us afterward and she

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said, you know, during the worship, she said,

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I felt like the Lord gave me a download. I had

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been praying specifically for strategy for each

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of people group. And she said it was right during

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worship. Nobody said a word to me. But it was

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just a sense of what the Lord was speaking directly

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to me with very specific direction for how to

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reach this people group that's been on our heart

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for a long time. So, you know, those are the

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kinds of things you don't put that into your

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set list when you're planning. You just enter

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in and the Lord does things that go way beyond

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us. Amen. Absolutely. So how did you get started

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in this ministry of worship? Well, Dave and I

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have always been involved in music. And then

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when we got married down the road, we started

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being a part of a worship team at our church.

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But Wes was very little at that point. But as

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we progressed, there was a season where the church

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that we were going to had a healing prayer ministry

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that we were asked to lead worship during. And

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it was like three hours where they would have

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groups of people that were being prayed over

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and we would provide worship for three hours.

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Wow. Three hours. That's kind of when that was

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Dave and I and Wes was still pretty little during

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that time. But as he got older, then he felt

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led to be a part of what we do. And we felt led

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for him to be a part of what we do. Sure. That's

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kind of where it was birthed. Then the Lord gave

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us the name Three O 'Clock Session one Sunday

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morning, even before church. It was confirmed

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in a very, very special way that morning at church.

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We didn't use that name for a long time, but

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there was a time when the Lord said, it's time

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to use your name, and it's time to move forward

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with Three O 'Clock Session. And this is a perfect

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time to also tie in, you know, Good Friday coming

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up here just very soon. And at Good Friday, three

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o 'clock in the afternoon is when Jesus said

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from the cross, it is finished. He gave up his

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spirit. But precisely when that was happening,

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the veil in the temple was torn supernaturally

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from top to bottom. It was a very thick curtain.

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prohibiting the common man from entering into

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the Holy of Holies. Only the high priest could

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go and only once a year. But Jesus paid the price

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for the common man who calls upon him and receives

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salvation through Christ to have access into

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the very holy presence of God Almighty. So that's

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our heartbeat. That's our heartbeat. And that's

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the glory of God. You know, you think of the

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Ark of the Covenant. That was... behind the curtain.

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And that was the glory of God there. And so to

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have access because of Jesus being the final

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sacrifice. Yeah. So that's what we want our ministry

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to be all about is God's presence and his glory.

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And it is. Absolutely. Isn't that the time of

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the evening sacrifice? Yes, I think it is. Yes.

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While Jesus was offering the ultimate sacrifice

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on the cross over near the temple, The sacrifice

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was being offered as it had been for hundreds

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of years. And there was that perfect parallel.

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God doesn't miss a detail. It's three o 'clock,

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three o 'clock. And the session part is there's

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musical sessions. I work as a therapist, so there's

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therapy sessions. But we want the ultimate session

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is a session with the King of Kings, the Lord

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of Lords, the wonderful counselor. Yes. Because

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everything. All things are possible with him,

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and in his presence, miracles take place. Amen.

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Amen. I'm reminded of years ago, we used to have

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a billboard that our ministry had put up in a

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couple of places, and it said, you have an appointment

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with God. Yes. Yeah, that's good. Right. And

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that's kind of what we, in the word session,

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it's an intentional meeting. Let's have a session,

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an intentional meeting. It's an appointment to

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go in behind that veil that was torn into the

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very presence of God and meet with him. And the

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beautiful thing is that's the place where we

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can just, we can enter into his presence and

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the very deepest places of our heart find what

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we are longing for. And that is the beauty of

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really the Easter message started. with access

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into God's presence when Jesus said it is finished.

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The Greek word to telestai, paid in full. It's

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an accounting term. It means it's like a rubber

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stamp that says you're done. Your sins have been

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canceled out. They have been paid for in full.

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Now you can enter. Now you can come in to the

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fullness of the presence of God. So let's have

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an intentional meeting, an appointment. with

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our wonderful counselor that I was talking about.

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Yeah, body, soul, and spirit. We know that salvation

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means for body, the soul, and the spirit. So

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it's all inclusive. Yes. Yes. Amen. Absolutely.

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That reminds me too of, I'm not exactly sure

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of the pronunciation, but the word shalom comes

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from, and we know that means peace and it means

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nothing's missing and nothing's broken, but it

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comes from a root word. And I think it's Shalem

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or Shalom. I'm sorry, I don't know the exact

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words because I wasn't looking to say this, but

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it also means paid in full. So the root of peace

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is the fact that it's been paid in full. Beautiful.

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And that the whole thing is paid in full. And

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there's another word that Paul uses in, I think

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it's 1 Thessalonians 5, somewhere around verse

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20 or 21, where it talks about that your whole

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spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless.

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And that word whole there is holocleros. And

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it comes from two Greek words, olos and kleros.

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And olos means whole. And kleros, I think, means

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having all its parts. So it's whole having all

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its parts. So your whole spirit, soul and body

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is preserved blameless. And it has the idea that

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everything that's supposed to be there is there.

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Even if at one point it was lost, it's been restored.

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Beautiful. Yeah, that's what having a session

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with the Lord is all about. It's the restoration,

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you know. And it's a process. It's not like it

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happens overnight. But a big thing happens when

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you first get born again, you know. I don't know

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why some people get more than others, but, you

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know, it's the start of a walk. Yeah. It's the

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start of a lifestyle. Yeah. A history with God.

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Yeah. You know, it's also, it's really interesting.

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I've done some studying on... the presence of

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God. And so many things happen in the presence

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of God. But one way to just kind of, I won't

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say summarize because you can't really, you can't

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summarize in a sentence. But one thing I like

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to think about is hard things get soft in God.

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Yeah, that's good. There's just a whole lot of

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things that happen that are moving from disarray

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to order, from weakness to strength, from broken

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to healed. His presence gives life. And so that's

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the heartbeat of what drives us as worshipers.

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It's not about the music, although we are musicians

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and we do music, but that's an expression. Worship

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is about his presence. It's about entering in

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and having that love transaction where we tell

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him we love him and he loves us. And something

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very beautiful takes place just in that process

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of basking in the fullness of the Father's love.

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Yeah, and it's part that we just love is when

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we're loving on him, he's loving on us, when

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his glory is there. And that's something that's

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very... Important to us when we start worship

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is to wait on him to connect and make sure that

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he knows that we're going to follow him. We're

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going to follow what he's doing. We're going

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to look and see what he's doing and follow what

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he's doing. And that's when, you know, we've

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given him a complete invitation to do whatever

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he wants. And that's when the story... does the

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heavy lifting. It's like the glory brings an

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ease and it does the heavy lifting. And then

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we just enter in and amazing things happen. Just

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even recently, someone had such a revelation

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during their time of worship. And that's what

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we want for people and for ourselves. Just, you

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know, that body, soul, and spirit can come in

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many different ways that God reaches our hearts.

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Yeah, just what an individual might need. And,

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you know, it's like, it's like, we're just loving

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on him. But, you know, he's always loving back.

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He's always reaching. He's always speaking. And

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so it's just a wonderful mutual exchange. He

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loves before we do. Yeah. You know, we love because

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he first loved us. Yeah. And I think that's where...

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So many folks are missing key ingredients in

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the life. You know, I'm noticing some of these

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folks that have deconstructed their faith and

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walked away from God. And I have to question

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how much of a relationship did they get? You

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know, I can understand. And I personally, I think

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it's good to allow questioning. I think it's

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healthy to question because not everything that

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we learned in church was scriptural. I mean,

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there's lots of traditions, just like the Pharisees

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added all kinds of traditions. And Jesus wasn't

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happy with that. And he's not too happy with

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the traditions that we tout as though they were

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scripture. And to be fair to the people that

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are pushing them, that's how they were taught.

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You know, Philip and I grew up in the church

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and we were, taught lots of things, but we've

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had to sort through some things that are like,

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I don't think that was quite right. But, you

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know, because we have a real relationship with

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the Lord, it's like, it's not his fault that

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somebody who was naming his name didn't get it

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right. Yeah. It makes me so sad because it's

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like people often don't really know him. They

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haven't had a revelation of his unconditional

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love, and that's so sad. Yeah, and they think

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he's just an angry old man in the sky. He's not

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that at all. There's one having fun on Earth.

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Let's squash him like a bug. I noticed just recently

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a Facebook friend, a guy that I was in college

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with, who went on to become actually quite a

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scholar. He made a Facebook post, and I thought

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what he said was absolutely brilliant. He said,

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it's not a bad thing, kind of going back to what

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you said, Sharon. It's not a bad thing to challenge

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some of the things that we have been taught and

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to verify. That's not a bad thing. It can be

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extremely healthy and necessary. And he said,

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where I would make the distinction as you are.

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entering into this phase of, if you want to think

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of it as remodeling a house, you know, if you

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deconstruct a house, quote unquote, well, that's

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fine. You can move a wall between two bedrooms

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that's not a load -bearing wall. But if you move

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a load -bearing wall, you're in trouble. Yeah.

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That we have to be careful when we get into deconstruction.

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We cannot give up on the inerrancy. We cannot

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give up on the virgin birth. We cannot give up

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on who Jesus is. There are certain things. Those

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are the load -bearing walls of the Christian

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faith. Yeah, that's good. And yes, we can grow

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in our ability to defend why we hold those conclusions

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as convictions. But to deconstruct those essentials,

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we've in essence rejected Christianity at its

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foundation. And lots of them have. I was kind

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of chatting with somebody about this earlier

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today, and we were talking about truth being

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the thing that most people that are really honest

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in their hearts are seeking truth. And the problem

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is that they're tending to measure things with

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the wrong yardstick or the wrong scales. You

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have to have, as you said, the inerrancy of the

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Word of God. You have to have some kind of a...

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measuring line or a plumb line that shows you

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what is straight. And if you're getting your

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information from social media or from television

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and movies and whatever mainstream media that's

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out there from the world, and you're not getting

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it from the source of life, the instruction book

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that our father wrote to help us get through

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this. You're starting off on the wrong foot.

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You're not going to succeed. You know, I think

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another really important part of this discussion

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is it can't just be head knowledge. Right. It

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can't just be a belief system that sits on the

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shelf. It has to show up in real life. And we

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sometimes talk about in worship. We are actually

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growing our experiential apologetic, if I can

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coin a phrase. Because when you are sensing that

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immersive love of the Heavenly Father and our

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spirits, our regenerated, reborn spirits know

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that. Our souls are a little slow sometimes to

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catch on. But our spirit man is pulsating with

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life in worship. When we are able to experience

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the love of God and when that environment, when

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there's a group of people together pressing into

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his presence and worship, there's something that

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pushes against all the lies of culture, all the

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lies of the deconstruction movement that says,

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no, my heart tells me I am experiencing my creator

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in this moment right now in real time. Then a

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miracle breaks out or something happens that

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can't be explained any other way except by the

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power and presence of God. Now you've got an

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experiential apologetic that links arms with

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the knowledge and with the belief system side

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of faith where we do need to have reasons for

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why we believe what we believe. But I believe

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what we're doing and part of our calling with

00:24:07.910 --> 00:24:10.289
worship is to help people have that encounter.

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to where it's not just a walk of faith that is

00:24:15.779 --> 00:24:18.859
head knowledge, but it's a heart reality. Yes,

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that's good. Absolutely. Yeah, you could call

00:24:21.640 --> 00:24:25.299
it a relational apologetic because it's just

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like in any relationship, God's faithful to us.

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He's always going to be faithful. And we want

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to be faithful back, just like we would be faithful

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in a marriage or be faithful just to a friend.

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You know, it's a relationship. So when people

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walk away, it's like, how could you walk away

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from your best friend? Your best friend's going

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to be faithful to you forever. Be faithful back.

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Yeah, that's true. That's true. So you've just

00:24:57.789 --> 00:25:01.670
recently returned from ministering in South Africa.

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Tell us about that. Wow. How do we begin? It

00:25:06.009 --> 00:25:09.940
was so glorious. We had to cross an ocean. Yeah.

00:25:10.759 --> 00:25:14.680
Yeah. It was a wonderful time. And one of the

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things that I think we can say is there is a

00:25:18.579 --> 00:25:21.299
move of God that's worldwide. Yeah. Yes. Yes.

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Amen. It was such a thrill to be with people

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almost 8 ,000 miles away who love the Lord and

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who are passionate about him and just to join

00:25:34.759 --> 00:25:36.519
our hearts together. And isn't that a kind of

00:25:36.519 --> 00:25:40.799
picture of heaven? It was just a really, really

00:25:40.799 --> 00:25:43.940
beautiful time. So we came back. Our hearts are

00:25:43.940 --> 00:25:47.339
filled to overflowing. It was such a great experience

00:25:47.339 --> 00:25:50.240
being in South Africa. We were actually in a

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retreat center that was about 3 ,100 feet elevation

00:25:54.119 --> 00:25:58.299
above the Val d 'Or. And, oh my goodness, Wes,

00:25:58.380 --> 00:26:00.960
how do you even put into words the scenic beauty

00:26:00.960 --> 00:26:06.359
that matched. The theme of the conference, the

00:26:06.359 --> 00:26:09.559
clouds rolling in underneath where we were each

00:26:09.559 --> 00:26:13.039
morning. That was just stunning. Yeah, there

00:26:13.039 --> 00:26:15.460
in the mountains, seeing the clouds roll in.

00:26:15.640 --> 00:26:19.039
And one morning I got up pretty early to catch

00:26:19.039 --> 00:26:23.420
the sunrise, as did some others. And I saw dad

00:26:23.420 --> 00:26:27.799
walking out as well to experience that. And I

00:26:27.799 --> 00:26:31.359
saw some clouds kind of follow him. It was as

00:26:31.359 --> 00:26:34.789
though. The angelic realm was stirring up some

00:26:34.789 --> 00:26:38.690
clouds to welcome Dad or to rejoice with Dad

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in our being there and the body of Christ being

00:26:41.789 --> 00:26:45.130
there. That creation is of God and that it's

00:26:45.130 --> 00:26:47.690
alive and that it partners with us as we partner

00:26:47.690 --> 00:26:50.849
with God. So these clouds were rolling in, but

00:26:50.849 --> 00:26:53.930
there were these unordinary clouds that kind

00:26:53.930 --> 00:26:57.089
of lunged up out from the rest of the clouds

00:26:57.089 --> 00:26:59.589
and followed Dad as he was walking. It's quite

00:26:59.589 --> 00:27:02.759
notable. Yeah, we were above the clouds. We were

00:27:02.759 --> 00:27:05.039
in the mountains and the clouds came in below

00:27:05.039 --> 00:27:08.039
us, which was really profound. So it was almost

00:27:08.039 --> 00:27:11.460
like, you know, sometimes you'll use an illustration

00:27:11.460 --> 00:27:14.339
in a sermon. And that was a living illustration.

00:27:14.420 --> 00:27:16.119
It was like, well, you just walk outside your

00:27:16.119 --> 00:27:20.019
door and creation. Psalm 19 .1 talks about how

00:27:20.019 --> 00:27:22.700
the heavens declare the glory of God. And all

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throughout the Psalms, the earth declares the

00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:28.000
glory of God. And our retreat theme, we were

00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:30.299
leading worship for four days in this setting.

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And the theme was, as Wes touched on, it was

00:27:33.900 --> 00:27:37.579
just about how our faith, our relationship with

00:27:37.579 --> 00:27:42.680
the Lord is so linked with the world, with creation,

00:27:42.819 --> 00:27:45.720
with what our creator created out of his heart

00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:51.160
of love. For us to enjoy. To enjoy and to partner

00:27:51.160 --> 00:27:56.519
with him in stewarding and just reveling in the

00:27:56.519 --> 00:28:00.599
beauty of what he created and loving it. It was

00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:03.799
just pretty amazing, the whole experience. You

00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:06.180
know, just worshiping with people from all different

00:28:06.180 --> 00:28:10.339
countries, Australia, New Zealand, or South Africa,

00:28:10.500 --> 00:28:14.799
the U .S. Mozambique. Mozambique. Peru, was there

00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:17.500
anybody from Peru? It seemed like, anyway, just

00:28:17.500 --> 00:28:20.759
the body of Christ from all over the world, gathering

00:28:20.759 --> 00:28:24.200
together, worshiping him, loving him. It's a

00:28:24.200 --> 00:28:27.059
taste of heaven. It was our first international

00:28:27.059 --> 00:28:31.660
trip. Purely to do worship. So it was significant

00:28:31.660 --> 00:28:34.339
on that level. We've had international trips

00:28:34.339 --> 00:28:37.279
before to Israel, but we weren't going there

00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:40.640
to lead worship. That's been a few years ago,

00:28:40.740 --> 00:28:44.839
but this was specifically to lead worship. And

00:28:44.839 --> 00:28:50.240
what a glorious first experience. Amen. That's

00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:52.980
tremendous. You keep saying like heaven, and

00:28:52.980 --> 00:28:56.740
I keep thinking, we have a common friend that

00:28:56.740 --> 00:28:59.019
has been to heaven, and that's Dean Braxton,

00:28:59.180 --> 00:29:02.119
and he's been on this podcast a lot. And I have

00:29:02.119 --> 00:29:05.200
appreciated, Wes, your input when we've had him

00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:07.700
and other podcasts we've had. I so appreciate

00:29:07.700 --> 00:29:10.019
your feedback because it just means a lot to

00:29:10.019 --> 00:29:14.480
us, Wes. But the book that Dean wrote, Deep Worship

00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:18.579
in Heaven, was life -changing for me. Yes. And

00:29:18.579 --> 00:29:21.160
I'm sure you've read it also because, you know,

00:29:21.180 --> 00:29:25.119
that's how you are moving is in that kind of

00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:28.640
a heavenly realm. I think it's kind of like the

00:29:28.640 --> 00:29:31.440
veil gets really thin between heaven and earth

00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:34.119
when we're worshiping with that understanding

00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:38.299
of what heaven is like when it comes to worship.

00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:43.339
That the things that you experience in worship,

00:29:43.460 --> 00:29:47.019
it's not just singing a song. And it's not just

00:29:47.019 --> 00:29:50.920
dancing or clapping or tapping your toe or whatever.

00:29:51.259 --> 00:29:55.900
It's so all -encompassing that your whole being

00:29:55.900 --> 00:29:59.680
is meant, spirit, soul, and body, your whole

00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:04.339
being is meant to interact with the love of God

00:30:04.339 --> 00:30:08.240
and with the things that Jesus did for us. And

00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:11.519
the Holy Spirit is helping us in those times

00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:13.859
of worship, that it's all about interaction.

00:30:14.650 --> 00:30:19.289
It is. And one of the things that is so enormously

00:30:19.289 --> 00:30:23.750
satisfying beyond words, it's hard to even describe,

00:30:24.009 --> 00:30:29.509
is when we're sensing that wind of the Holy Spirit,

00:30:29.710 --> 00:30:33.950
sometimes we'll just try to follow. It's like

00:30:33.950 --> 00:30:36.750
putting your kite up in the sky and letting the

00:30:36.750 --> 00:30:40.230
wind carry. And Donna, you are really paying

00:30:40.230 --> 00:30:43.829
attention to what's happening. as the holy spirit

00:30:43.829 --> 00:30:47.470
is directing it's not just let's go through the

00:30:47.470 --> 00:30:50.890
song as planned but there's a lot of spontaneous

00:30:50.890 --> 00:30:53.849
in the moment that happens because of what you're

00:30:53.849 --> 00:30:56.750
talking about sharon what we're sensing is happening

00:30:56.750 --> 00:31:00.150
in heaven and you know first chronicles 25 and

00:31:00.150 --> 00:31:02.750
elsewhere in the scripture talks about prophesying

00:31:02.750 --> 00:31:05.609
on the instruments and there are times where

00:31:05.609 --> 00:31:08.569
we kind of get lost we don't know where the song

00:31:08.569 --> 00:31:12.230
is going but We're just flowing together. And

00:31:12.230 --> 00:31:16.190
it's just so crazy beautiful how the Lord has

00:31:16.190 --> 00:31:22.089
a way of expressing things through when we just

00:31:22.089 --> 00:31:24.990
yield ourselves. And that's all of us. Yeah.

00:31:25.130 --> 00:31:27.769
Ephesians 2 tells us that we're seated with him

00:31:27.769 --> 00:31:31.109
in heavenly places. And so we are there. We're

00:31:31.109 --> 00:31:34.869
in the throne room with him, you know, positionally

00:31:34.869 --> 00:31:37.970
as believers. And so, you know, when we lead,

00:31:38.049 --> 00:31:41.880
we're watching. What are you doing, Lord? And

00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:45.859
what is heaven doing? And we're going to follow

00:31:45.859 --> 00:31:48.980
what heaven is doing, follow what the Lord is

00:31:48.980 --> 00:31:53.380
doing in this setting at this moment, and do

00:31:53.380 --> 00:31:56.180
our best to follow that. And sometimes he'll

00:31:56.180 --> 00:32:02.960
have us focus on a certain lyric and go over

00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:05.960
that lyric again and again, because he's doing

00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:07.880
something with that lyric that somebody needs

00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:13.779
to hear. shifting the atmosphere or shifting

00:32:13.779 --> 00:32:18.740
a region or shifting a country or whatever. And

00:32:18.740 --> 00:32:23.079
yeah, there's been a lyric that he's kind of

00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:26.480
had us camping on for a while the last few times

00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:30.720
we've led worship. But it's just so fun to follow

00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:35.000
him. And then you get to hear what took place.

00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:39.599
Sometimes we'll never know fully, but some people

00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:43.440
then share. Like I said, I alluded to earlier,

00:32:43.720 --> 00:32:46.740
there was a person that had an inner healing

00:32:46.740 --> 00:32:50.559
and an insight into something that they shared.

00:32:51.500 --> 00:32:57.480
And so only the Holy Spirit, in following what

00:32:57.480 --> 00:33:03.079
he's doing, can we have the results because he's

00:33:03.079 --> 00:33:04.759
going to show us where to go and what to do.

00:33:05.829 --> 00:33:09.190
Amen. You know, many times we, you know, we don't

00:33:09.190 --> 00:33:12.809
fully comprehend what's happening with the people,

00:33:12.890 --> 00:33:16.109
you know, when God is doing something like, well,

00:33:16.170 --> 00:33:19.390
we had an experience a couple years ago. It was

00:33:19.390 --> 00:33:21.349
when we were having our convention here. Yeah,

00:33:21.369 --> 00:33:25.130
yeah. And it was a big train wreck. That's what

00:33:25.130 --> 00:33:28.009
we call it. When something goes wrong. Yeah,

00:33:28.029 --> 00:33:30.230
our one time to lead worship, you know, because

00:33:30.230 --> 00:33:32.470
we just stepped back and... You know, I picked

00:33:32.470 --> 00:33:34.690
all the music out. You know, you collate it because

00:33:34.690 --> 00:33:37.289
you had about 12, 13 different people we had

00:33:37.289 --> 00:33:40.609
to have music for. So, you know, you get it laid

00:33:40.609 --> 00:33:42.950
out. And, of course, it's always subject to change

00:33:42.950 --> 00:33:45.690
because you never know until you're up there

00:33:45.690 --> 00:33:48.349
what's going to happen. And we start on this

00:33:48.349 --> 00:33:52.609
one piece, and it just sounds different. It's

00:33:52.609 --> 00:33:54.849
something's wrong. I said to Sharon, don't you

00:33:54.849 --> 00:33:58.990
sing melody on this? And what had happened, the

00:33:58.990 --> 00:34:01.970
one sheet of music we had, was in a different

00:34:01.970 --> 00:34:04.170
key than everybody else's. And it wasn't the

00:34:04.170 --> 00:34:08.590
key we normally use. Because nobody else is playing.

00:34:08.969 --> 00:34:11.869
And then the people that play by ear, they start

00:34:11.869 --> 00:34:16.909
joining in. And I just say, stop. I've never

00:34:16.909 --> 00:34:21.619
done this ever. Just stop. And I reached back

00:34:21.619 --> 00:34:24.000
and I grabbed my sister -in -law's copy off the

00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:26.920
keyboard, said, let's restart this. And Sharon,

00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:29.519
you tell the rest of what was going on. So, you

00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:31.739
know, we started the song all over again in the

00:34:31.739 --> 00:34:35.059
correct key. We're on the same key. And it looked,

00:34:35.139 --> 00:34:37.840
you know, it was fine. But what we found out

00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:41.920
later was one of the ladies that was there told

00:34:41.920 --> 00:34:44.519
us later, she said, you remember that train wreck

00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:47.219
that you had? I had a vision while you're having

00:34:47.219 --> 00:34:50.440
that train wreck. And what her vision was, she

00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:54.239
saw these stairs coming down with, I think there

00:34:54.239 --> 00:34:56.719
was red carpet on the stairs. And there were

00:34:56.719 --> 00:34:59.659
angels lining both sides of the stairs. And Jesus

00:34:59.659 --> 00:35:02.719
was on his white horse coming down the stairs.

00:35:03.420 --> 00:35:06.179
And he came down into the room where we were

00:35:06.179 --> 00:35:09.179
and he got off of his horse and he walked over

00:35:09.179 --> 00:35:12.920
to a lady named Mercy McJones. She's one of our

00:35:12.920 --> 00:35:15.280
members and we've had her on the podcast before.

00:35:15.340 --> 00:35:19.079
She's from Nigeria. And he took one of the crowns

00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:24.500
off of his head and he put it on her. So if you

00:35:24.500 --> 00:35:28.500
think about what that means, that in the midst

00:35:28.500 --> 00:35:31.940
of our train wreck, he was crowning Mercy. Wow.

00:35:33.150 --> 00:35:37.670
Wow. Wow. And that's how he is. He is so into

00:35:37.670 --> 00:35:42.329
mercy and grace. He's trying to get people to

00:35:42.329 --> 00:35:46.309
heaven. He's not trying to keep people out. He's

00:35:46.309 --> 00:35:49.409
not standing there at the door trying to say,

00:35:49.469 --> 00:35:52.210
nope, you didn't check that line off. Sorry,

00:35:52.329 --> 00:35:55.949
you can't come in. He's more about strategizing

00:35:55.949 --> 00:36:00.079
how to get you there. You know, that's why we

00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:02.480
intercede for people that that the Lord will

00:36:02.480 --> 00:36:05.519
forgive, that the Lord will, you know, lead people

00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:09.079
into repentance, that we ask him to forgive the

00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:11.619
sins of people that have hurt us, you know, so

00:36:11.619 --> 00:36:14.159
that it's not being held over them. You know,

00:36:14.179 --> 00:36:16.639
that's what intercession is all about is getting

00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:20.320
in between our father and the people that have

00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:22.639
done something wrong. That's what Moses did.

00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:26.719
You know, just no, Lord, you can't destroy them

00:36:26.719 --> 00:36:29.079
because the Egyptians will hear about it and

00:36:29.079 --> 00:36:31.480
think, oh, that God of Israel. Well, he was able

00:36:31.480 --> 00:36:33.159
to get him out of Egypt, but he wasn't able to

00:36:33.159 --> 00:36:35.420
take him to the promised land. Yeah. You know,

00:36:35.460 --> 00:36:38.460
it's about his name and he is the merciful one

00:36:38.460 --> 00:36:41.039
and he is the faithful one. And I think it's

00:36:41.039 --> 00:36:43.900
Dean that talks about how Jesus is always strategizing.

00:36:44.199 --> 00:36:48.119
Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, we need to get a whole

00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:51.599
new mindset about instead of condemning people.

00:36:52.300 --> 00:36:54.340
When we see that they're doing something wrong,

00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:57.579
that we should be interceding for them. Yeah.

00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:01.159
That's such an encouragement for you as worship

00:37:01.159 --> 00:37:04.219
leaders, too, for that person to come forward

00:37:04.219 --> 00:37:07.400
with that vision. Yes. Sometimes as worship leaders,

00:37:07.500 --> 00:37:10.599
you can think, oh, man, I really, we made a big

00:37:10.599 --> 00:37:13.000
mistake there. And it's like Jesus says, hey.

00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:17.980
Been redeemed. I use everything, just like Dean

00:37:17.980 --> 00:37:21.980
even talks about how even when we're. practicing

00:37:21.980 --> 00:37:25.360
yes it's not practicing it's worshiping and so

00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:27.820
even in the midst of being on the wrong keys

00:37:27.820 --> 00:37:32.039
it was your part of worship that jesus saw that

00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:35.280
you were in wreck and he made a grand entrance

00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:39.320
yeah he made yeah so yeah and that's what he

00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:41.760
saw i was just i was just thinking about how

00:37:41.760 --> 00:37:45.840
you thought it was a train wreck and mercy saw

00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:48.320
his train fill the temple yes oh i like that

00:37:48.320 --> 00:37:52.250
excellent That's good. That is good. Hallelujah.

00:37:52.449 --> 00:37:56.190
Sometimes in worship, things happen. And, you

00:37:56.190 --> 00:38:00.170
know, it's good to be humbled now and then. Yeah.

00:38:00.550 --> 00:38:03.070
Something that sometimes I'm the keyboardist

00:38:03.070 --> 00:38:06.789
of the group and Dave plays bass and the sound.

00:38:07.030 --> 00:38:11.329
Yeah. And Wes is our percussionist. And just

00:38:11.329 --> 00:38:14.550
occasionally I'll get so caught up in the spirit,

00:38:14.630 --> 00:38:16.530
I kind of lose my place. You know, I'm like,

00:38:16.550 --> 00:38:21.659
whoops. I know that feeling. And I want to say

00:38:21.659 --> 00:38:24.880
this. It's a little difficult to state exactly

00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:28.440
what I'm hoping to communicate here. We do care

00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:31.219
about right notes. Don't get me wrong. You know,

00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:35.019
that aspect of it. But we care more about where

00:38:35.019 --> 00:38:38.940
the worship is going. And sometimes it's necessary

00:38:38.940 --> 00:38:43.159
as worship leaders to take prophetic risk. I

00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:47.889
actually love those times when Donna... We kind

00:38:47.889 --> 00:38:49.829
of think of it as getting into the four -wheel

00:38:49.829 --> 00:38:53.190
drive mode. You get off road, and we don't know

00:38:53.190 --> 00:38:56.329
where it's going. And it's a prophetic song.

00:38:56.429 --> 00:39:00.289
It's something that's never been done. And she's

00:39:00.289 --> 00:39:04.349
leading, and Wes and I are doing our best to

00:39:04.349 --> 00:39:09.349
follow. And sometimes we may not follow correctly,

00:39:09.530 --> 00:39:12.190
but that is okay. And that's one of the things

00:39:12.190 --> 00:39:15.829
I believe actually brings delight to the Lord.

00:39:16.329 --> 00:39:20.289
is when it's more about the heart of following

00:39:20.289 --> 00:39:23.989
in worship than it is about the perfection of

00:39:23.989 --> 00:39:28.869
execution in worship. Well said. Anytime we sense

00:39:28.869 --> 00:39:33.590
the Lord just saying, okay, let's get off road

00:39:33.590 --> 00:39:37.829
here, and it's an adventure. And a lot of times

00:39:37.829 --> 00:39:41.469
I'll have a sense, like Wes needs to take it

00:39:41.469 --> 00:39:45.079
with the percussion, and you want to speak. on

00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:49.480
that a little bit because there is prophecy on

00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:54.300
the instruments. And so when Wes takes it, he

00:39:54.300 --> 00:39:57.139
plays the cajon, there's some powerful things

00:39:57.139 --> 00:39:59.739
that take place. You want to share a little bit

00:39:59.739 --> 00:40:02.500
about that or things that people have, you know,

00:40:02.500 --> 00:40:05.880
shared that happen when you have done that because

00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:08.360
it really cuts through the atmosphere. Yeah.

00:40:08.860 --> 00:40:11.559
We found that people are very responsive to the

00:40:11.559 --> 00:40:13.900
cajon and the things that are accomplished on

00:40:13.900 --> 00:40:17.260
that instrument. And, you know, every instrument

00:40:17.260 --> 00:40:20.139
has its voice. It has its particular characteristic,

00:40:20.460 --> 00:40:23.739
its quality that lends itself to the spirit because

00:40:23.739 --> 00:40:27.760
music is a language. It's a sacred language that

00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:34.019
God gave us. And so worship brings godly life

00:40:34.019 --> 00:40:38.099
to that language. And so with my instrument.

00:40:38.750 --> 00:40:42.090
It does cut through. It does pierce things. And

00:40:42.090 --> 00:40:44.889
it's interesting. You look at some of the, oh,

00:40:44.909 --> 00:40:48.949
I don't know, Indian cultures or historical cultures,

00:40:49.030 --> 00:40:51.789
and drums were very significant for them to accomplish

00:40:51.789 --> 00:40:56.110
things. And it's no different for us. I think

00:40:56.110 --> 00:41:00.550
when Wes is playing, there are like chains that

00:41:00.550 --> 00:41:04.469
get broken off of people, bondages that get broken

00:41:04.469 --> 00:41:06.789
off of people. You can just sense it and feel

00:41:06.789 --> 00:41:10.039
it. There's an articulation that it's almost

00:41:10.039 --> 00:41:12.559
like a knife's edge that's just cutting through.

00:41:13.340 --> 00:41:16.900
And I also think about you mentioned Dean Braxton's

00:41:16.900 --> 00:41:20.280
book, Deep Worship in Heaven. And he talks in

00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:23.579
the book about experiencing a drumbeat in heaven.

00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:27.539
Yeah. And sometimes there's nothing else except

00:41:27.539 --> 00:41:30.980
just this drumbeat that's going on. And Jesus

00:41:30.980 --> 00:41:35.050
in John 519 talks about. He does what he sees

00:41:35.050 --> 00:41:37.530
the Father doing. Jesus was living as a man on

00:41:37.530 --> 00:41:42.309
earth, fully God, but yet fully man, watching

00:41:42.309 --> 00:41:46.269
to see what is my Father doing. And he was doing

00:41:46.269 --> 00:41:49.809
on earth what he saw in heaven. So when Wes is

00:41:49.809 --> 00:41:53.150
playing his heart out on that cajon, which is

00:41:53.150 --> 00:41:56.019
like a... It's not quite a drum, if you're not

00:41:56.019 --> 00:41:58.280
familiar with a cajon. It's not a drum set. It's

00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:00.460
not a drum set. How would you describe the sound

00:42:00.460 --> 00:42:03.179
of it, Wes? I think the easiest descriptor for

00:42:03.179 --> 00:42:07.500
it is called a box. That's what it means in Spanish.

00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:09.639
Yeah, there you go. People will call it that.

00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:15.340
And it's got a great range. But I give enormous

00:42:15.340 --> 00:42:18.019
credit to Dad for getting it to sound as good

00:42:18.019 --> 00:42:20.460
as it does. It's a great acoustic instrument,

00:42:20.559 --> 00:42:24.539
but the way that Dad mics it and... The way he

00:42:24.539 --> 00:42:27.639
amplifies it and gets that range of sound out

00:42:27.639 --> 00:42:30.380
of it is as much the instrument as anything.

00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:35.159
My hands are, I feel that they're guided. I'm

00:42:35.159 --> 00:42:40.000
like mom and dad. I'm constantly reading the

00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:45.019
room. I'm feeling it out, asking and partnering

00:42:45.019 --> 00:42:48.119
with the guidance for how to go about it because

00:42:48.119 --> 00:42:52.199
I don't want it to be bang, bang, bang. It's

00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:55.610
got to have. sensitivity to it that is real and

00:42:55.610 --> 00:42:59.550
that is alive and that is helpful. There are

00:42:59.550 --> 00:43:03.469
times when, you know, and that's the thing, it's

00:43:03.469 --> 00:43:06.230
being sensitive to what the Holy Spirit's doing.

00:43:06.829 --> 00:43:09.809
So there are times that Wes will just gently,

00:43:09.869 --> 00:43:14.230
gently play just in being sensitive to what's

00:43:14.230 --> 00:43:17.309
happening in the moment. So I appreciate his

00:43:17.309 --> 00:43:19.909
sensitivity. And that's what I try to really

00:43:19.909 --> 00:43:22.960
pay attention to. There are only three of us,

00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:26.139
so we are much more nimble because we're a small

00:43:26.139 --> 00:43:29.480
group. And we can follow each other pretty well.

00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:32.300
Donna and I have been doing this together long

00:43:32.300 --> 00:43:33.980
enough that I can watch her left hand and have

00:43:33.980 --> 00:43:35.500
a pretty good idea of what's going on as I'm

00:43:35.500 --> 00:43:38.400
playing bass. That's pretty good. This just has

00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:41.860
a knack. It's an uncanny knack for knowing where

00:43:41.860 --> 00:43:46.239
things are going. But the idea is to be available

00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:51.730
for those swells that give. articulation to the

00:43:51.730 --> 00:43:56.170
magnificence of God and yet also those dynamics

00:43:56.170 --> 00:43:59.750
that are delicate and sensitive and just almost

00:43:59.750 --> 00:44:03.869
barely playing or barely singing that are just

00:44:03.869 --> 00:44:07.570
in such reverent awe and the stillness. It's

00:44:07.570 --> 00:44:10.329
almost like giving a musical expression to stillness

00:44:10.329 --> 00:44:13.250
where people are experiencing a rest in their

00:44:13.250 --> 00:44:16.789
souls. And that's really just being able to use

00:44:16.789 --> 00:44:20.059
that entire range. is something that we feel

00:44:20.059 --> 00:44:22.780
is very important and very integral to what we

00:44:22.780 --> 00:44:24.960
try to do. Yeah, the sensitivity of the dove.

00:44:25.980 --> 00:44:28.920
I like to think that when Dad is playing bass,

00:44:29.179 --> 00:44:31.559
you know, he is my dad, and when he's playing

00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:36.719
those low frequencies or sustained notes, there's

00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:40.019
such a fullness about it. I think of it as the

00:44:40.019 --> 00:44:43.300
heart of the father when Dad is playing the bass.

00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:47.519
We were blessed about a year, year and a half

00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:51.190
ago. On a return trip we were coming back from,

00:44:51.309 --> 00:44:55.469
we just felt this urge to go to Asbury. The move

00:44:55.469 --> 00:44:59.030
started in Asbury. And we got there at great

00:44:59.030 --> 00:45:02.630
timing. God just worked everything out. And it

00:45:02.630 --> 00:45:05.269
was the most amazing because you had a guy playing

00:45:05.269 --> 00:45:09.170
guitar. He had a piano. And then you had the

00:45:09.170 --> 00:45:12.989
student on the cajon. Just above him was this

00:45:12.989 --> 00:45:17.570
magnificent drum set in a cage. Drum cage. drum

00:45:17.570 --> 00:45:21.389
cage not being used you know it was just the

00:45:21.389 --> 00:45:24.250
simplicity of the music and when we were outside

00:45:24.250 --> 00:45:27.090
standing to get in they were singing the chorus

00:45:27.090 --> 00:45:30.630
of honest day you know the holy are you lord

00:45:30.630 --> 00:45:34.710
god almighty yeah and that was going on while

00:45:34.710 --> 00:45:37.489
we're waiting to get in and it continued for

00:45:37.489 --> 00:45:40.530
quite a long time after we got in it would be

00:45:40.530 --> 00:45:44.090
like waves would just would just come And what

00:45:44.090 --> 00:45:47.369
it was, it was God meeting these kids right where

00:45:47.369 --> 00:45:50.690
they were at. There wasn't anything demonstrative.

00:45:51.050 --> 00:45:55.429
Nobody waving banners and running down the aisles

00:45:55.429 --> 00:45:58.630
and screaming and maybe doing a cartwheel or

00:45:58.630 --> 00:46:01.769
something. No, it was like the presence of God

00:46:01.769 --> 00:46:04.590
coming down in a traditional church that didn't

00:46:04.590 --> 00:46:08.320
know how to raise their hands. God met them right

00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:11.579
where they were at. But even with the cajon,

00:46:11.699 --> 00:46:16.139
it was amazing. Just that combination and the

00:46:16.139 --> 00:46:20.760
glory was just there. And it's just like, wow.

00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:24.539
And I'm sure they were in awe too, the way that

00:46:24.539 --> 00:46:26.619
whole thing started. It just started in their

00:46:26.619 --> 00:46:30.300
devotion and it just kept going. So it really

00:46:30.300 --> 00:46:32.780
is an amazing instrument. I think we need to

00:46:32.780 --> 00:46:37.710
get one. Could be we do. Well, I just want to

00:46:37.710 --> 00:46:41.489
really express our gratitude to the Lord, first

00:46:41.489 --> 00:46:45.789
of all, for connecting us because we have that

00:46:45.789 --> 00:46:49.130
similar heart for his presence and wanting to

00:46:49.130 --> 00:46:52.969
just lift him high and worship and flow with

00:46:52.969 --> 00:46:56.289
the Holy Spirit. So I just want to say thank

00:46:56.289 --> 00:46:59.670
you to you, Father, and thank you to you, Dave

00:46:59.670 --> 00:47:03.510
and Donna and Wes, as your name is three o 'clock

00:47:03.510 --> 00:47:07.280
session together. We bless you, and we really

00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:09.539
appreciate that you've come alongside us to help

00:47:09.539 --> 00:47:13.039
us to steward the presence of God in this convention

00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:15.980
that's coming up. And we really want to encourage

00:47:15.980 --> 00:47:19.079
people to come. It's really life -changing to

00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:23.519
kind of wade out into the depths of the presence

00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:27.159
of God when you get people that are so inclined

00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:30.639
that way and have walked together long enough

00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:34.019
to just learn to follow. I just think it's an

00:47:34.019 --> 00:47:36.159
opportunity that we really encourage people to

00:47:36.159 --> 00:47:39.960
join in on. I want to mention your website, right?

00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:42.980
You have a website? ThreeO 'ClockSession .com.

00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:47.039
Now, is there an apostrophe between the O and

00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:50.300
the C in O 'Clock? No apostrophe, and the word

00:47:50.300 --> 00:47:53.639
three is spelled out. T -H -R -E -E, Three O

00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:56.159
'Clock Session. Okay, we'll make sure we get

00:47:56.159 --> 00:47:58.500
that into the show notes. And we do have some

00:47:58.500 --> 00:48:00.460
recordings that are available online, Spotify.

00:48:02.240 --> 00:48:06.039
YouTube, all the platforms. Yeah, over 150 different

00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:09.880
digital platforms. Wow. So for 3 o 'clock session,

00:48:10.059 --> 00:48:11.440
you'll find some of the recordings. Yeah, we're

00:48:11.440 --> 00:48:13.940
in the middle of recording, trying to. There's

00:48:13.940 --> 00:48:17.639
many songs that we do, and we do many original

00:48:17.639 --> 00:48:20.480
songs, and we're trying to get them all recorded.

00:48:20.820 --> 00:48:24.619
It's hard when we are out worshiping, you know,

00:48:24.619 --> 00:48:28.960
and. then we need to come in and have time to

00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:32.199
record. Right, right. And you've written a lot

00:48:32.199 --> 00:48:34.880
of songs. Do you have any idea how many? I don't,

00:48:34.880 --> 00:48:38.679
but a good portion of what we do is all original.

00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:43.219
We do like to do some songs that everybody knows

00:48:43.219 --> 00:48:46.539
really well, so most of what we do is original.

00:48:46.920 --> 00:48:49.500
It would be hard to say for sure, but do you

00:48:49.500 --> 00:48:52.900
think 40 or 50, Donna? Oh, I don't know. Want

00:48:52.900 --> 00:48:56.239
to put a number on it? I'm always writing. It's

00:48:56.239 --> 00:48:59.000
a bunch. Yeah. And sometimes we do songs that

00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:03.440
she hasn't written yet. It just comes spontaneously.

00:49:03.820 --> 00:49:05.940
Yeah, sometimes. Stronger than the Lord, that

00:49:05.940 --> 00:49:09.059
was like a prophetic. I was singing something

00:49:09.059 --> 00:49:12.380
totally different. And I just felt this strong

00:49:12.380 --> 00:49:15.719
sense to start singing that out. And so that

00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:19.639
was what I would call a new song. And a lot of

00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:22.199
times. We'll do something like that. And it's

00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:25.099
just for that event, just for that moment. But

00:49:25.099 --> 00:49:30.239
that song, I felt like was one that was for not

00:49:30.239 --> 00:49:32.539
just for that evening, but I needed to grab it.

00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:36.920
But the next day I was like, oh, Lord, what chords

00:49:36.920 --> 00:49:41.059
did I? And he helped me remember what chords

00:49:41.059 --> 00:49:44.760
I was on. And so that's one of the songs that

00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:47.440
we do have recorded that a live version of it.

00:49:47.800 --> 00:49:53.500
But yeah, sometimes that new song we'll do again

00:49:53.500 --> 00:49:56.619
later. But sometimes it's just for that moment.

00:49:56.980 --> 00:49:59.860
Yes, and the Lord deserves that. He deserves

00:49:59.860 --> 00:50:04.639
something new every moment. And even when you

00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:07.199
sing a song that you've sung before, you sing

00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:11.500
it in a new way, and it has a new quality. That's

00:50:11.500 --> 00:50:13.900
right. We never do the same song the same way

00:50:13.900 --> 00:50:18.670
twice. And we want to just also say thank you

00:50:18.670 --> 00:50:22.050
to both of you. And we're looking forward to

00:50:22.050 --> 00:50:24.409
our time with the Global Outpouring family. And

00:50:24.409 --> 00:50:27.329
several times in this visit, we've mentioned

00:50:27.329 --> 00:50:29.949
our good friend Dean Braxton. And we've had,

00:50:29.989 --> 00:50:33.130
oh my, I don't know how many services we've ministered

00:50:33.130 --> 00:50:34.989
together with Dean. And we just love that guy.

00:50:35.389 --> 00:50:40.130
And he has such a profound testimony of his experience

00:50:40.130 --> 00:50:42.949
in clinically dead, coming back from heaven and

00:50:42.949 --> 00:50:44.710
telling the story of what that experience was

00:50:44.710 --> 00:50:47.610
like. And then Tony Kemp, another good mutual

00:50:47.610 --> 00:50:49.889
friend who is going to be one of the speakers.

00:50:49.949 --> 00:50:52.809
And we just would join with you in encouraging

00:50:52.809 --> 00:50:55.130
everyone who's listening. If there's any way

00:50:55.130 --> 00:50:57.730
that you can make it to the services in St. Louis

00:50:57.730 --> 00:51:00.329
at the Marriott Airport, we would love to connect

00:51:00.329 --> 00:51:01.989
in person and just believe it's going to be a

00:51:01.989 --> 00:51:05.010
very special time. And we just love how you are

00:51:05.010 --> 00:51:08.329
God chasers. You're going after, you love him

00:51:08.329 --> 00:51:10.989
and you want more of him, more and more and more

00:51:10.989 --> 00:51:15.119
of him. Absolutely. Yes, we'll pursue him together.

00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:19.940
Yes. Beautiful. I think about what a wealth of

00:51:19.940 --> 00:51:22.699
material you have on this podcast, all of the

00:51:22.699 --> 00:51:26.280
people that you've had on. Thinking of your question

00:51:26.280 --> 00:51:30.059
earlier about takeaways from last year, there

00:51:30.059 --> 00:51:32.519
was one highlight that stands out to me. There

00:51:32.519 --> 00:51:35.119
was a time when we were in worship and there

00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:37.980
was a holy hush that just settled over the whole

00:51:37.980 --> 00:51:41.099
place. I don't know if you recall that, but it

00:51:41.099 --> 00:51:46.239
was prolonged. It seemed to me that it was very

00:51:46.239 --> 00:51:50.760
much participating with what the ministry is

00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:54.699
all about and this outpouring that we're all

00:51:54.699 --> 00:52:00.300
expectant of, that holy hush before the rupture

00:52:00.300 --> 00:52:04.019
of heaven is the sense that I got last year.

00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:08.320
That's beautiful. Amen. Well, thank you so much

00:52:08.320 --> 00:52:10.980
for joining us today. And we look forward to

00:52:10.980 --> 00:52:12.940
seeing you again real soon because it's coming

00:52:12.940 --> 00:52:37.179
up soon. Check out our website at globaloutpouring

00:52:37.179 --> 00:52:40.480
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00:52:40.619 --> 00:52:43.440
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00:52:43.440 --> 00:52:46.039
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00:52:46.460 --> 00:52:49.860
Until next time, this is Sharon Buss. And I'm

00:52:49.860 --> 00:52:52.579
Philip Buss. God bless you with His overwhelming,

00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:53.760
loving presence.