Free Speech Under Fire: Shawn Bolz Shares Prophetic Insights on the Cultural Censorship Crisis

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We're angry because it's like a seed of contention inside of us.

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It's a way we pray that we don't know we're praying.

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Okay, but what is God doing?

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And that's the question we ask all the time.

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Like, where's God in this?

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There's a spiritual battle over freedom of speech

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because then it creates fear

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that you're gonna lose something if you do speak.

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God is raising up the voice

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to be able to tell a different narrative.

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In this day and age,

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the words that we say are under attack.

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And with me today is Sean Bulls,

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who is a well-known prophetic voice.

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And we're gonna talk about the things you can't say.

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So Sean, welcome to Charisma.

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I'm always glad to be here.

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This is awesome.

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Yeah, so Sean, right now in the news,

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which is actually something that you do a lot,

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you comment about what is happening in our world,

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but you bring a prophetic perspective,

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you kind of focus in on discernment

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and help people break down

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what is really going on spiritually behind the headlines.

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And one of the things that's really under attack right now

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is free speech and the things that people say.

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Help us kind of understand what is going on.

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And you actually fled California

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where the biggest culvert of all is happening.

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So tell us about what's been going on with free speech.

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Well, the good thing is our ministry

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is still based in California.

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We still love California.

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But yeah, free speech is one of the constitutional rights

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we have in it.

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It's something that as a Christian,

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it's one of the strongest ways that God anoints us

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or uses us to be able to spread his love,

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to be able to connect to people.

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It's the connecting devices are the way we talk to each other,

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the way we spend time with each other.

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And when you take that issue

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and you basically side swipe it or side rail it

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or put it into a place where it just shouldn't be

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and you put rules and regulations on it

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that we shouldn't have,

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it takes the power and authority out of

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our whole Christian experience.

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So right now we're dealing with big tech,

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social media networks other than Twitter

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that you can't say things about abortion.

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You can't talk about Christianity in a way that

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may be progressive in the sense,

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not progressive Christianity,

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but progressive in the sense of like saying,

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my ideas that are that there should be a way of us relating

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or Christianity to influence the world around us.

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And as soon as you start talking about transformation

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or influence, you get marginalized.

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Or if you talk about how it can affect gender identity

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or any other thing, you're in trouble.

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You're in trouble with the big tech.

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You also can't advertise to anybody.

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You used to be able to advertise and tell people

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of your local church within five miles around you

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if they're interested or doing searches about God.

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You can be one of the places that they search for,

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but they took all advertisement that's specific

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to conservatism, politics that are right-leaning

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and Christianity or any faith except for extreme faiths.

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You can still do Islam and you can still do Buddhism

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and that kind of thing,

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but you can't do any kind of Christianity

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or Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormons which we understand.

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They think they're similar, but they're not.

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But you can't do any of that.

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And so that took a way of us reaching our audience away

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because they're shadow banning or they're minimizing

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where our voice will go.

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If you say the word transgender once

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and you're a channel that they know is Christian

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and they know that is conservative,

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they'll immediately take you out of the algorithm.

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Like at one time we had Instagram tell us,

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like we're only showing you to 1% of your audience right now

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because you're basically in trouble.

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You're in our penalty box.

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Wait, is that what Instagram told you that?

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They put it in the notes.

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Like you're only being shown in a small,

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like up to 1% of your audience

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because it's something you're talking about.

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And so we had to earn our way back in

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by not talking about some of the hot topics there.

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And that's why you see so many conservatives.

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It's not that they don't want to be bold on YouTube

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or Instagram, but they can't say even the word transgender,

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even in a positive context, any context at all

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because of their whole channel, what it's about.

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They can't say the word abortion.

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They can't say the word pornography.

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You can't talk badly about pornography.

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You can't say human trafficking.

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If you talk about human trafficking

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and pornography and it's linked together,

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you're immediately that will be banned or it will be

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marginalized in their algorithm.

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And so these systems are built by a humanistic mindset

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that doesn't really have God in the equation

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and it doesn't really have people

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in real spiritual social justice in the equation.

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So we're watching people who are getting raised up

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to speak in culture.

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And then that, of course, if it's in the algorithm,

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it's in a whole people group who are specifically

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all over the world, but in America

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who are trying to silence those voices on mainstream media.

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It's in the local town hall and when you go to school boards,

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you get the same algorithm in those places.

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It's just, it's amongst humans.

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And so I feel like it's, we have a lot at stake right now

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with freedom of speech because we have to be bold,

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but then you're afraid that if you're too bold,

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you're gonna lose your voice.

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You're gonna lose your authority at your school board.

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You're gonna be looked at a certain way.

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And it's just a wild battle.

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Well, we have already said a bunch of different words

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that as we're putting this up on YouTube or social media,

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they're probably going to limit some of this.

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So I just want to encourage people that if you're watching

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this and you've made it this far in the video,

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let us know in the comments that you have seen this

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for yourselves and you are experiencing this

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or the fact that you agree with what we're talking about.

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Just let us know and then hopefully that will kind of

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override the censorship there.

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But, you know, because we haven't, we've just addressed it.

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We haven't actually said whether we're for

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or against any of that stuff, but really free speech

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is an important thing because I know that Jesus'

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great command for us was to go into all the world

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and to make disciples.

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And we need to use our words to be able to do that.

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And one of the things that I always find really interesting

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as you're reading through the Acts,

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the Acts of the Apostles is that Paul was a Roman citizen

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and he had rights that were different than

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the other apostles.

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And so he actually used the rights that he had effectively

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to be able to take the gospel further.

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And I feel like oftentimes we don't understand the rights

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that we do have and therefore we're just abdicating

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that voice to somebody else.

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I'd like to get your thoughts on that.

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I love that, because I use that example a lot

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because Paul used until the day he died

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and he understood his rights.

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And I think as an American, I've gone all over the world,

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I've gone to war zones and places that you have

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a natural entitlement when you're American to be able

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to get certain rights, to be able to give food away

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or to be able to get into certain IDP camps or whatever else.

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It's amazing when you understand that your rights

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of whatever you have, whether it's from the industry

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you work in or whether it's from whatever

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and how you can use that for the kingdom.

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I think, I think Christians, what we don't understand

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is how much, how much love is a currency

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and how much love is a power that people are looking for

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because love resolves so much, love helps so much,

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it does so many things.

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And I feel like speech along with love

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because faith comes by hearing speech is so important.

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So when you're looking at like what the homosexual

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communities on an overpropagating marginalized for this again,

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but they were feeling underserved

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and they were feeling marginalized.

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And so they went after a media and entertainment

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kind of collaborative through the arts

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and they said, let's tell our stories.

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And let's get a homosexual in every single show

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or somebody else you can put us on every show.

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And just as a sub character in the background

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just so that it feels familiar

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and then let's start telling their stories.

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So people get a sense of empathy and compassion

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and they can relate to them.

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Well, the problem with that is that

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they only told very happy ending stories

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for all this time till now.

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It's still, it's like, this is great, this is grand,

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this is wonderful.

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Christians owe the world to tell the stories.

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The Christians who've come out of that community,

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the Christians who've come alongside that community,

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we've had kids in that community have the obligation

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to come out of love to show what Jesus did

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in the midst of those stories when there's a turnaround.

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And if Christians would, it's the same thing about,

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again, we're using when women have the right to choose,

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when they go through that entire experience,

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we rarely, Juno did a really good job.

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We rarely show the story up until like the actual woman

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who's having this experience.

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And when you tell that story,

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the thousands of testimonies of what God did

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through media, through the arts, through television,

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through film, through podcasting, through music,

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then all of a sudden you create a narrative

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that's more powerful than the news media.

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It's more powerful than the anti,

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it's more powerful than the protest.

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But we have not used these vehicles enough.

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And I feel like God, one of the things

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that Woods Freedom Species is that God's deploying people

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to be a great voice.

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And there's this big war against it on the front end,

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spiritually, I feel like there's a spiritual battle

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over freedom of speech because then it creates fear

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that you're gonna lose something if you do speak.

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But man, if these people, I've watched on TikTok,

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there's a couple of people who've come,

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who've detransitioned and they're telling their stories.

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And them telling their stories

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is worth a thousand sermons on it.

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It's like they tell their stories

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of this is what happened to me as a teenager,

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this is how it changes, this is what Jesus did in my life.

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And it's a before and after.

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You now have them as the measure or the weight

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of how you look at the issue,

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just like when you watch certain TV shows and movies

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and you really don't understand certain issues

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and you watch it and you go,

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oh, I have sympathy for that now,

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but it's not a right reality-based sympathy.

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And so I think like part of the freedom of speech issue

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is that we are being raised up to tell our stories

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on the biggest town hall stages in the world.

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And the enemy's trying to resist us before we can get there.

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And that's why Christian films have been

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in the box office for the last 24 months.

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I think we're at 17 months now.

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We've been at the top five films in the box office

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on the weekends that they come out.

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So every month there's been one Christian film

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that's never happened in history, John.

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I mean, it's never happened.

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And it's because God is raising up the voice

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to be able to tell a different narrative,

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even that chosen, how it's showing a different version,

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an artistic representation of what it could have been like

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in the gospels.

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And it's the most watched show on television.

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I mean, it's like by far,

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and 50% of the people who watch it aren't Christians.

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That's huge, but there's a whole group of people

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who would like to get that off television.

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There's people who when Amazon was, internally,

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when Amazon was trying to bring it on,

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that were trying to say it doesn't have DEI,

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doesn't have enough representation in it.

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And we don't want that on our streaming service this way.

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We don't want to partner to them in any direct way

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because we don't have that.

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We don't have enough representation

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that there's no queer or LGBTQ plus people in it.

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And it's like, but that's not even faithful to the story.

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We're telling our artistic representation of a real story.

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And that created a new dialogue in Amazon

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that actually created a new way for them

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to make films without DEI.

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It was the first time because of the chosen

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and they weren't even a direct show.

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So we have to be a voice

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and God's raising up people to do things differently.

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And it is scary because the whole world's saying,

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you can't win an Oscar if you don't have this.

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And then someone's gonna make a movie or a project

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that we'll have, will be different

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and it will win an Oscar

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and it's gonna confuse everybody.

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Yeah.

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You know, Sean, you brought up a couple of things

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that I kind of wanted to go a little bit deeper

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in our discussion about this

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because you've brought up about TikTok

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and we've talked about podcasts

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and we've talked about all different types of media as well.

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But the concept of sound bites versus long form discourse

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is something that I'm paying a lot of attention to right now.

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And we're in a political season

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and I'm noticing that one candidate won't even talk

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and another candidate is going on long form podcasts

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and willing to just talk

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and really get things out there.

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I'm starting to see that there is more growth

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and development with long form content

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because people want that real.

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They don't want, they want the reality.

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They don't want just a TikTok thing.

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They want to go deeper.

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Can we talk about going deeper

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versus the headlines or the quick quotes

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and the gotcha phrases?

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What are you sensing about that?

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Well, I think we're in a generation

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that for a long time substituted information for connection.

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And so if I know it, then I feel connected to it

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and that's enough, but now they're wanting real connection

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to heart of something.

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So you have Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson

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and these guys who have the biggest podcasts in the world,

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the conservatives.

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And so as Joe, we're gonna have a three hour conversation

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with somebody.

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And when they hear the person,

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whether it's about aliens or someone's faith,

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he's a lot of people faith on in the last couple years.

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He's had a lot of conservatives on the last couple years

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and you get to hear somebody who comes from a different

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mindset and I've listened to a couple of the alien guys

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where I'm like, that's intriguing.

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I've never thought of that.

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I've never heard that.

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Now I have to think about that.

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It's in me because I actually like this person

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I'm listening to and feel connection to Joe Rogan

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in this person's conversation.

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It's touched me somewhere on the inside

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in my heart and my soul.

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So now I'm thinking about aliens differently

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because this person was in the CIA

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and they declassified this and whatever.

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So I think like there's this long form piece

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that builds connection and where the world is no longer hungry

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to just be informed, but they want to be included.

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They want to be connected.

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They want to be part of the conversation.

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So I think these long form, especially young men,

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I think men are so hungry for,

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they're getting out of the mode of like,

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I can check off my list all the things I need to know about.

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Like here's the box.

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I need to buy aliens.

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I need to buy God.

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I need to buy, you know, whatever it's politics.

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And as long as I hear about it, I feel good.

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I feel strong.

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I don't think men are in the same condition they were before.

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I think they're like, I want to hear a father.

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I want to hear a brother.

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I want to feel connected.

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And I think the podcast, obviously the men are higher

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demographic than women for the first time in history

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on a media server.

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And it's because of that.

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Whereas Fox News or CNN News is cyclical news

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and it's just information with a lot of rhetoric.

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And I'm not saying there's no good in Fox News

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because there is and there's no good CNN News

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because there is, but as far as maybe

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on this news cycle there's not, but there is at times.

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But it really is just informative

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and it's not including you at all.

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It's just telling you what you need to believe.

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And I think people are done with that.

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Yeah.

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People don't want to be told what to believe

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because that's what they've been told their whole lives.

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They really, I mean, I kind of always go back to this.

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I was taught how to think, not just what to think.

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And if I was told what to think,

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I was given the reasons why we came to that conclusion.

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And that helped me in my formative years,

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but for so long people have just taken what has been said

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and they haven't been Bereans

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and they haven't dug in deeper and they haven't done that.

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Well, let's talk about some discernment.

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And you do a lot of work commenting about our news,

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society, the culture at large, media,

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but from a prophetic angle,

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from a prophetic perspective and discernment.

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Tell me about your call in that arena.

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Well, I'm still figuring it out.

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A couple of years ago, I felt like I was supposed to,

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I knew I was supposed to work in media and entertainment more.

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It's a bigger focus than what I was doing in ministry.

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And so I literally, during coronavirus,

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left the pulpit type ministry.

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And I felt like God was kind of a prophetic act

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because I felt God was deploying a lot of people

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from church-centric ministry to mainstream industries,

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whether it's business or media or whatever, politics.

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So when I moved into it, Matt Crouch was like,

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I need you to come on alongside TBN.

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I want you to come once a month and do commentary,

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be on some of our news shows,

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and then your YouTube channel.

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Why don't you go after news commentary for a while

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and then we'll do a show?

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He wanted me to do a broadcast show right away,

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but I wasn't ready for it.

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Because I was like, I don't even know.

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I don't even know how to.

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I always do this, even in my church sermons,

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a lot of times I would start out with like,

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well, here's what's going on in society

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and we would talk about it.

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And then I would get into a message.

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So it's very normal for me,

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like in my strengths binders,

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input's my number one.

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So it's very normal for me to give input.

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And I think that God, a lot of the news commentators,

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I think they have a discerning edge

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where they're looking at culture through a certain lens

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that causes them to be a contributor to the conversation.

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And the other thing that they're doing

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is they're raising up and creating conversations

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that no one else is having.

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And so when I looked at that, I was like,

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we'd already had Explore in a prophetic podcast here

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on the Chisma podcast network,

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which we also turned into Chisma,

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or Explore in the Marketplace,

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and having a conversation with a business person

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who's sharing their breakdowns

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and their breakthroughs and our highs and their lows

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was like, if a picture's worth a thousand words,

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I mean, their life story's a thousand sermons.

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So when I transitioned into like the Shambles show,

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we called it, the first week we were like

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in the top 10 of all news,

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and then the top one or two in news commentary in the world.

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And I'm like, I mean, I just started,

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I don't even know what I'm doing, like this is weird.

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And we've stayed in the top 150,

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usually in the top 40, the day it comes out every week.

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And we stay in the top 100 to 150 all week long,

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even if we only have one episode,

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which most shows need daily content to stay there.

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And we've had like, now we have a little bit more,

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but I was just like, wow, people are this hungry

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to have somebody who doesn't point out the wrong.

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Like one of the things we do on our show

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is that we don't focus on the enemy

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and we don't focus on what man's doing wrong.

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And we don't do church controversy

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because I feel like a lot of church controversies

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be handled apistologically by pastors and leaders

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and accountability.

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And it doesn't need to go through like a public scrutiny,

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the same way that somebody in politics,

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we can talk about them with integrity

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or we can talk about something in entertainment

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because there's no process for restoration,

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there's no process for healing,

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there's no process that society can bring around them,

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versus a pastor who fails.

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It's not something that I feel called to talk about.

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So I began to look at what's happening in entertainment,

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look at what's happening with freedom of speech,

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look at what's happening.

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Elon Musk was a big story for us

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when he started to buy Twitter and move into that direction

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and people were like, oh my gosh,

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someone's saying that there's something

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we're done through about this.

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I'm gonna hear what he says.

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I'm saying, I think this is God.

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God's using this man as a Cyrus.

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Like we need a freedom of speech vehicle.

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I can say whatever I want on Twitter for the first time

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in years, we're not gonna be silenced.

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You know, like this is crazy.

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And a whole audience was like, oh my God,

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that's how I feel.

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I feel like I need to,

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I need to not be disabled in my voice right now.

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So some of the things that we talked about with

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even like Jesus revolution coming out at the same time

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as Asbury revival and how it was a sign of the times

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of what God's preparing the world for

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is another worldwide revival.

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And you have these incredible vehicles

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like where Kelsey Grammar comes back to Lord doing a film.

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And then you have the Asbury revival,

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which breaks out with,

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there's no major celebrity leader doing it.

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And that was gonna be a sign of what's to come.

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And then, you know, even over the summer

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having the most baptisms, there's ever been anywhere.

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And it all happened in the state of California,

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which a lot of Christians have discounted or said,

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or thrown to the enemy already,

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because Gavin Newsom, who's just a man?

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I mean, God is a destiny in that state.

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So I feel like I've been able to come in

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and help people look at things, maybe that they're angry at.

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Because a lot of times we're angry

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because it's like a seed of contention inside of us.

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It's a way we pray that we don't know we're praying.

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We get frustrated at something

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until we get a redemptive lens for it.

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And I've had that happen so many times in my life

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where I'm just like, I'm aggravated in my soul

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over something or someone.

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And then as I'm aggravated, for me, John,

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I was aggravated at like a young Christian celebrity

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or young celebrity who became a Christian

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back when I first started church in LA.

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And I was aggravated,

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because he kept dating all the girls on my church

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and he was a womanizer and all these issues.

518
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And I just didn't like him.

519
00:18:54,120 --> 00:18:56,160
And then all of a sudden he came to my church.

520
00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,280
And he's like, I need mentoring, I need help.

521
00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,400
And he's like this worldwide celebrity, you know?

522
00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,520
And I'm like, I don't wanna,

523
00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:03,640
and then I fell in love with the kid.

524
00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:05,760
And like it totally mentored him and like spent time with him.

525
00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,200
I was like, okay, you're actually an amazing young man,

526
00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:09,800
but you just need some dad time.

527
00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:11,600
You just need some fathering and stuff.

528
00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,760
So it's like a lot of the things that we're aggravated by

529
00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,440
in society, it's like God's gonna give us authority

530
00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,840
if we can make it through and see what he's doing

531
00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:20,760
and not stay where the enemy's at in it

532
00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,880
or where man's he manages failures at.

533
00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:24,680
So I feel like the show has been a redemptive tool

534
00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,720
to help people, even if they don't agree with my biases,

535
00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,920
to help people to go, okay, but what is God doing?

536
00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:31,400
And that's the question we ask all the time.

537
00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,720
Like, where is God in this?

538
00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:35,920
Like behind the scenes, my team's like,

539
00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:37,680
okay, this is a lot to look at,

540
00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:39,840
but I'm not hearing where God's at yet.

541
00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:40,680
We haven't gotten there yet.

542
00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:41,680
We're not gonna talk about this yet.

543
00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:42,760
We're not just gonna be responsive

544
00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,440
because we wanna make a response to get clicks.

545
00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,240
We have to have authority on what we're talking about

546
00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:48,680
or it's not worth talking about it.

547
00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:50,840
And it's been really profound.

548
00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,080
You know, Sean, you said something

549
00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,520
that I just wrote down this phrase, the redemptive lens

550
00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,880
and how you were frustrated

551
00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,840
until you had a redemptive lens for that.

552
00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:04,080
There's just something in my spirit

553
00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:07,160
that just caught on fire whenever you said that.

554
00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,880
How do we help people use that redemptive lens

555
00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,640
and use that frustration to get them to a place

556
00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,080
where they can see through that redemptive lens?

557
00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,640
Because I think that's a missing element

558
00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,480
in our society right now.

559
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,280
Well, I mean, the Bible is so filled with it, right?

560
00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:23,440
Whatever is pure, whatever is right,

561
00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:25,320
whatever is noble, fixture of mind and affections

562
00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:26,160
on those things.

563
00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,320
So whatever you're seeing hell, don't focus on hell.

564
00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:29,640
What is God doing in the midst of hell?

565
00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,680
Like Jesus, you know, like, you know,

566
00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,480
if he was in the garden and alls he looked at was Satan

567
00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,760
the whole time in the temptation, he would have failed.

568
00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:36,720
But he saw the Father.

569
00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:37,760
He knew the Father.

570
00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,000
He remembered the Father.

571
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,560
He, you know, we tell our kids when I go to school,

572
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,000
when you miss us, because they're little,

573
00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:43,920
you know, they're nine and 11,

574
00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,200
when you miss us, carry the affection at this moment,

575
00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:47,840
like I'm hugging you, sitting with you on the couch,

576
00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,760
loving on you, just remember that,

577
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:50,600
rehearse that in your heart.

578
00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:51,440
That's your life.

579
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:52,280
That's your reality.

580
00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:53,240
Even if you don't feel it at school,

581
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:54,280
you can practice this.

582
00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,360
You can practice this being together.

583
00:20:56,360 --> 00:20:57,560
And I feel like for Christians,

584
00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,840
we have to like not look at hell.

585
00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:01,360
We have to look at heaven in the midst of hell.

586
00:21:01,360 --> 00:21:03,360
We have to look at God in the midst of hell.

587
00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:05,800
So we have to ask ourselves in the midst of,

588
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,280
you know, transgender homosexual LGBTQ plus, you know,

589
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:10,120
which I shouldn't say again,

590
00:21:10,120 --> 00:21:11,840
this is my fourth time saying it on the show.

591
00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:13,120
Well, issues.

592
00:21:13,120 --> 00:21:15,280
One of the greatest redemptive words we've ever had

593
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,200
was from the latter rain prophet,

594
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,960
the movie Jesus Revolution was made off of Lonnie Frisbee,

595
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:22,560
or was it the last, not a lot of rain problem,

596
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,960
but the last, you know, Jesus Revolution prophet,

597
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:26,560
who said in his deathbed,

598
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,240
what hippiest word to the Jesus people movement,

599
00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,200
the LGBTQ plus people will be to the next great move of God.

600
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:33,160
We misunderstand them.

601
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,160
You don't know how to have authority or connection to them,

602
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:36,680
but God is going to use them.

603
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,120
And so I look at it and go, oh, you know,

604
00:21:39,120 --> 00:21:40,560
my daughters were in a gym,

605
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,920
a transgender came in, in the women's locker room,

606
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:44,720
why they're taking a shower, went to the shower,

607
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,760
you know, they're closed showers, but next to them,

608
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:48,680
and my wife got them out of there and we're like in Texas,

609
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:49,800
and we're like, this is bizarre.

610
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:50,920
Like this, we're in a part of Texas,

611
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,280
it's very conservative, and we're just frustrated.

612
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:54,120
Just going, that's, you know,

613
00:21:54,120 --> 00:21:55,520
of course we try and turn on compassion

614
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,840
or heal this man or whatever.

615
00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,800
But then there's this other part of it that's like,

616
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:00,920
you're going to raise up some people

617
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,160
that are so confused right now,

618
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:03,080
and they're going to be the voice

619
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:04,960
of the next great revolution, like Paul,

620
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:05,800
and they're going to be like,

621
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:06,680
a lot of people won't want to accept him

622
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,600
because you're going to raise up Barnabas as God,

623
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,000
but you just got to practice like, not just,

624
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:12,600
oh, I guess I'll think the best thing,

625
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,920
and that could be the antidote for the worst thing.

626
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,280
It's not that, it's what is God saying

627
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:18,760
and doing historically,

628
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,880
and how is he moving us towards Jesus returning,

629
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:23,480
and how do we start to have faith

630
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:24,760
in the midst of a world of confusion,

631
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,000
he has a sound mind and we can have a sound mind.

632
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,000
And that's where I look at it.

633
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,080
And I just don't get, I don't stay in discouragement

634
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,240
because there's so much to be encouraged in it.

635
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:33,520
If you're not encouraged,

636
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,920
that means you're not looking at God,

637
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,320
you're looking at everything else.

638
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,880
That's so good, Sean, that is so good.

639
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,680
And you said earlier, before we hit record,

640
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,320
that when all hell is breaking loose,

641
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,120
all heaven is breaking loose too.

642
00:22:48,120 --> 00:22:49,480
Absolutely.

643
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:50,840
Let's talk about that a little bit more

644
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,880
because I feel like we're,

645
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,520
you are scratching the surface on hope right now,

646
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,280
and there's this glimmer of hope

647
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:58,600
that's coming out of this conversation

648
00:22:58,600 --> 00:22:59,640
for everybody that's watching that.

649
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,080
If you're feeling hope, put hope in the comments

650
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,960
and let us know how God is using this conversation

651
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,040
to help you see things differently

652
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:09,320
and have that redemptive lens.

653
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,600
Put that in the comments, we'd love to hear about that.

654
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:16,520
But Sean, how do we cultivate this hope even more

655
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,280
when all hell is breaking loose,

656
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,120
all heaven is breaking loose?

657
00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:22,600
Well, you know, if I was in discipleship mode,

658
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,320
I'd say just like practically like,

659
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,000
you wake up in a day and something hard happens

660
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,320
and then you use that to remind yourself of God.

661
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,120
That's why we have to strengthen ourselves in the Word too.

662
00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:34,400
We have to have scriptures.

663
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,240
Like when you live in the land of hope,

664
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:37,080
you're never disappointed,

665
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,360
but you have to remember the first part of James one.

666
00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:40,640
You know, consider pure joy

667
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,800
whenever you face trials and tribulations of any kind

668
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,000
for a developed perseverance

669
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:45,280
and perseverance develops character

670
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:46,160
and character develops hope.

671
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:47,520
When you live in the land of hope.

672
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:48,960
So a lot of times people just want hope,

673
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,160
but they don't realize that it comes from trials

674
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,400
and it comes from persevering through hardship.

675
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,920
So when we wake up and we're facing our own battles

676
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,400
and we're facing our own demons, so to speak,

677
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,120
are we strengthening ourselves in God?

678
00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:03,800
Are we looking for what he's doing in our own life?

679
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:04,920
And can we come to agreement?

680
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,320
Even it's the simplest thing of like,

681
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,320
man, I want to live today.

682
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,360
Man, I like my family and just grounding yourself

683
00:24:12,360 --> 00:24:14,520
in the hope of that and the goodness of that.

684
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:15,880
And most people aren't granting themselves

685
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:16,720
in the goodness of God.

686
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,800
So I hear a lot of prophets are saying

687
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:19,960
if Trump doesn't get elected,

688
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,480
America's gonna fail forever.

689
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,720
You know, it's never gonna be able to turn around.

690
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,400
And they're putting their hope in Republican government

691
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,160
being the answer for a God equation

692
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,280
that is bigger than the Republicans

693
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,160
aren't bigger than the God equation over America.

694
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:34,200
I don't want calm out of it.

695
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,400
I don't want the progressive liberalism to win right now.

696
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,400
But we've just had it, whether it hasn't destroyed America.

697
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,040
It's made it hard, but we're still like,

698
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,920
we're still the greatest country on the earth right now.

699
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,120
Like still, and there's, I could give you 25 reasons why.

700
00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:49,960
And so it's, when people make those extreme statements

701
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,040
and they're living out of that extremity of like,

702
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,880
I need this to solve this.

703
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,400
I need to, and they're not living with like,

704
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:56,720
today's a good day.

705
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,280
Today, this is what God's doing in my life.

706
00:24:58,280 --> 00:24:59,760
Today, this is what God's doing in my family.

707
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,280
Today, God, this is what God's doing in my church.

708
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,360
Today, this is what, if you don't live out of that place

709
00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:05,800
of seeing who God is and what he's doing,

710
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,280
you won't look for him to multiply that.

711
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,280
You'll look for him to answer all the deficits.

712
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,160
So you live in a victim mentality.

713
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,280
And I think for me, what we've been doing with our show

714
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:18,240
is like showing like in the midst of, you know, Kanye West,

715
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:19,600
I hate this turnaround.

716
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,000
I hate that he doesn't believe in Jesus

717
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,360
and he believes he's God now.

718
00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:23,680
And I still hope for him.

719
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,640
But somehow, somehow like a lot of Christians will say,

720
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,200
well, see, you were wrong about Kanye

721
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:28,600
and I'm not wrong about Kanye.

722
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,320
He gave his life to Jesus legitimately behind the scenes,

723
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,520
tried to walk with him and mental illness and Satan won.

724
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,520
You know, like, but that doesn't discount

725
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,160
what God's doing in Hollywood with others like, you know,

726
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,480
people like Chris Pratt or Mark Wahlberg or whoever.

727
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:42,880
You know, there's so many of them.

728
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,880
It doesn't discount what's happening with Kevin Sorbo,

729
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,920
whoever, and we could say, you know, well, Kanye

730
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,240
and be so focused on it that we don't see Mark Wahlberg.

731
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,200
We can be so focused on what's not happening

732
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:54,760
that we can't see what is happening.

733
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,160
And it really is that parable that Jesus said,

734
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,680
those who have not, everything will be taken away.

735
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,320
Those who have everything will be given.

736
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,640
It starts with your mind and your lens.

737
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,960
If you feel like everything's going to hell,

738
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,920
then you're looking for hell to take more.

739
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,640
If you feel like God's on the move

740
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,920
and he's actually here with us,

741
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,400
you're looking for him to add to that.

742
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,320
Yeah. And if we take a step back,

743
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,480
and you just said something that was really powerful,

744
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:23,480
that we are currently, this is 2024 in September

745
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:25,480
as we're recording this for anybody

746
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,480
that's watching this years down the road,

747
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,800
but we are currently under the administration

748
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:34,800
of President Joe Biden, who is not a,

749
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,400
he was left leaning and the country is going

750
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,200
through hardships, but it hasn't fallen apart yet.

751
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,120
But you just also mentioned the Asbury revival.

752
00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:48,400
We've started seeing moves of God

753
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,560
that are coming out of this hardship,

754
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,400
that if we take a step back,

755
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,840
we can actually see those things.

756
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,080
But if we're so myopic and only paying attention

757
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,160
to what's right in front of our faces,

758
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,800
we won't see any of those things there.

759
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,920
From a prophetic standpoint though,

760
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,280
what are you feeling right now?

761
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:12,120
What are you seeing heading into this election cycle?

762
00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:14,120
I know you said earlier that God hasn't spoken to you

763
00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:16,680
about the winner of the outcome of that,

764
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,800
but just prophetically, what are you seeing

765
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,240
and sensing in the news right now?

766
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,080
Yeah, I mean, I'm seeing that the battleground is actually

767
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,560
helping people to define what they want

768
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,400
because things are so contrasted right now.

769
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,880
People are looking at, under Joe Biden,

770
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,120
we've had religious intolerance.

771
00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:35,280
I mean, Christians have been put in jail

772
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,920
for being Christians who are advocating for rights

773
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,240
that we should all be able to advocate for.

774
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,400
The Supreme Court is being threatened with a filibuster

775
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,160
where they're trying to stack the Supreme Court

776
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,160
because they don't like a conservative Supreme Court.

777
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,040
So you're watching people who want to change the law

778
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,240
to violate our rights that are in office right now.

779
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,240
And you're watching it in a number of different ways.

780
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,280
I feel like whether Kamala wins or Trump wins,

781
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,840
we're gonna start to have an emerging generation

782
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,640
who's fighting for rights again.

783
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,560
And we won't be, the passivity,

784
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,160
there's no time to be passive anymore.

785
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,280
The passivity is we're seeing champions being raised up

786
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,160
and like whether it's the Charlie Kirk's

787
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:10,720
and kind of social commentary

788
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,040
or whether it's actual politicians

789
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,680
or so many politicians who God's raising up right now

790
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,280
locally on a local level and then also on a national level.

791
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:18,280
There's so many pastors, right?

792
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,840
It's the most pastors who've ever run for offices

793
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,280
in America in the last four years.

794
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:24,440
I mean, that just shows you that there's,

795
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,040
and in all kinds of offices,

796
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,160
it shows you that the passivity is kind of ending.

797
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:30,320
And in the midst of that too,

798
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,320
you have this undercurrent of movement,

799
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,080
like the stories that'll come out for colleges

800
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,520
of how they're gonna liberalize your children.

801
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:36,960
Well, some of the colleges

802
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,080
are having the biggest moves of God

803
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:39,520
they've ever had on their campus.

804
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,360
And like there's football teams, baptizing kids,

805
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,040
that I think you would discover that story the other day.

806
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,260
There's, it's just crazy how many baptisms

807
00:28:48,260 --> 00:28:50,280
are happening and how much of the move of God is happening

808
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,520
on local public colleges or Oklahoma University

809
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,360
and Auburn University.

810
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,160
Different colleges are having things happen

811
00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,840
that have never happened before.

812
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,200
So I look at it and go, we're coming in an election cycle

813
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,040
and the elections don't determine how much

814
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,080
or how little God will move at all.

815
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,760
They do determine how much freedom we'll have

816
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,920
within the move, but they don't determine

817
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,260
the move of God itself.

818
00:29:11,260 --> 00:29:13,080
And I think that, you know, just like, right,

819
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,680
I think that Jesus people revolution was a signpost

820
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,240
and that movie coming out was a signpost of what's to come

821
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,200
because government was breaking down.

822
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,040
There was a war over Vietnam internally,

823
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:24,480
almost like a civil war.

824
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,920
There was people who were so sick of not being real at home

825
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,000
that they became hippies because they felt like

826
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,400
everyone's trying to be like Jim Cleaver

827
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,840
and for those of you who are old enough to know

828
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,880
that the Cleaver family, they were trying to,

829
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,240
it was like, there was no vulnerability in families.

830
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,120
People were experiencing horrendous things at home

831
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,640
and they had no process of therapy or counseling

832
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,320
or biblical discipleship to help them over it.

833
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,280
And so people were like, home's not real,

834
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:48,120
I'm leaving home.

835
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,120
And the most hippies were abused people who left home

836
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,840
because home wasn't good.

837
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,040
And the next move of God is gonna make home real good.

838
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:55,800
Family and marriage is gonna be on display.

839
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,500
People are gonna look at how people are doing family,

840
00:29:57,500 --> 00:29:59,480
mom and dad, kids at home.

841
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,880
And I feel like we're about to come into a cycle

842
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,880
of a season where so many people are gonna get saved

843
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,540
based on the fact that felt needs are so felt.

844
00:30:08,540 --> 00:30:10,280
And they're so obvious, just like it was

845
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:11,440
in the Jesus revolution time

846
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,120
where Jesus people move at time.

847
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,120
And I'm encouraged by the the obviousness of it,

848
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:18,720
the obvious gaps that are there

849
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,000
because only God can feel some of the gaps that are there.

850
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,600
There's no politician, Trump or other or Kamala

851
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,700
who could fill these gaps in America or elsewhere,

852
00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:30,280
but over Israel, over what's happening in the Middle East,

853
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,920
over what's happening anywhere, but God can.

854
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,920
And I think we're, he's gonna save us again.

855
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,240
He's gonna save us again.

856
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,240
Sean, I've really enjoyed talking with you

857
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,000
because hope is rising up within me

858
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,120
and I know hope is rising up within everybody

859
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:46,000
that's watching this.

860
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,160
If you're feeling that things are dark and depressive

861
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,560
and there's no hope, I pray that this conversation

862
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,160
has made you feel hope.

863
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,320
And Sean, as we're wrapping up here,

864
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,680
would you just pray for everybody that's been watching

865
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,000
that they would have that encounter with the Lord?

866
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,080
We're sure, and yeah, it's my privilege.

867
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:03,560
It's my privilege to be on the Charisma Podcast

868
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,560
and I work with the Sean Bolsho and just be with you guys

869
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,080
and with Explore the Marketplace.

870
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,360
I think it's so fun to know that people

871
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:10,480
can follow this conversation.

872
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:11,640
Maybe they gotta wake into something.

873
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,720
We keep having this conversation every week.

874
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,920
You can come with us, but Holy Spirit for everyone watching.

875
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,520
Thank you for John and the Charisma team

876
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:19,880
and what they're bringing you,

877
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:21,480
how they're staying in a gap.

878
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:22,800
That's so obvious right now.

879
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,680
And I pray everyone watching, I speak over your faith

880
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,600
and your hope and even maybe you're fatigued

881
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,520
to the point of exhaustion from all the drama

882
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,040
and the trauma around the world.

883
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:32,980
The Bible is very clear.

884
00:31:32,980 --> 00:31:36,120
Jesus himself says, cast your cares upon me.

885
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,160
And I pray you'll be able to cast those cares on him

886
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,160
and let him carry you through this season.

887
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,880
Let him carry the issues that you don't know

888
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:42,880
how to resolve in your heart,

889
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,160
whether it's Israel or national politics,

890
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:46,660
or whether it's something very real locally

891
00:31:46,660 --> 00:31:48,340
in your marriage or your family,

892
00:31:48,340 --> 00:31:51,400
that God would allow you to just walk with him in a way

893
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:52,680
where he would carry the heaviness

894
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,240
and he would carry the heavy burden.

895
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,120
And I pray that God will give you resolutions

896
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,000
and resolution points when it comes to some

897
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,480
of the heaviness you experience.

898
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,840
He is a spirit who lives inside of you

899
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,360
and he will speak to you and he'll bring your life

900
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,020
and make it more than it could ever be without him.

901
00:32:08,020 --> 00:32:09,800
And I pray that you would feel hope today

902
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,160
that's not just in messaging,

903
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,440
but hope based on the spiritual rootedness

904
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,680
of what he's doing in your heart right now.

905
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,520
And I pray that he would bring more alive the word

906
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,560
and through his spirit, the word and just the promise

907
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,800
that's over your life as we've been having this conversation

908
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,560
that you would feel the promise of what's to come

909
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,640
that your life has a John 10, 10,

910
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,960
like God's abundance, his goodness is promised to you

911
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,000
if you'll just look for it in Jesus' name.

912
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,920
And then Sean Bowles, thank you so much for joining us today

913
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,080
on Charisma.

914
00:32:41,080 --> 00:33:07,320
Oh, thanks for having me.