Vanguard Microphones: Behind the Sound with Derek Bargaehr - Part 2

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Good. Me?

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You. Now.

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Yeah, now.

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is it that ribbon?

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Mike seemed to react better to each.

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I don't have an answer for you
there. I'd have to think about it.

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I don't have one at the top of my head
that would satisfy you.

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I've never thought about that before,

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and I'd have to really sit
and think about the science of it all.

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I'd have to think about it.

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I think it's because there's less EQ ING
and less like a ribbon. Mike

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is sort of like a ribbon to a transformer,
like Mike transformer ribbon.

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And there you go.

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There's far
less electronics going on there.

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I will say this. Two for ribbons.

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Condenser mikes tend to be like,

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you know, we see those smooth EQ curves
on the manufacturer website.

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Those are all horse crap.

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Some of them are actually,
I know of one company early on that

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just literally hand drew them,
just pulled them out of their ass

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and said,
this is what I'm Mike sounds like.

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No, I.

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Won't say their name.

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But it is it.

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Yeah, it was a really ridiculous thing.

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And I'm like, come on, guys.

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But a lot of those are smoothed
by an octave or a third of an octave,

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and that makes them
even less useful in an octave.

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But if you go look at the frequency
responses on Audio Test Kitchen,

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where they do a 10th of an octave,

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and then you go compare it
to the manufacturer

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where they're doing a third of an octave.

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They're much pickier than you'd think.

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And I think at particularly
with K 67 style capsules,

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which tend to be peaky
in the sibilance area.

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That means that we call it
not taking a cue, because when you boost

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that, you're boosting these peaks
that are obnoxious to begin with.

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That's my first guess.

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I can't give you a scientific
answer to it, though.

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I've never really thought about it.
But that's just like me.

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That's that's the closest thing to an
explanation I've gotten compared to just.

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It seems like you can EQ a ribbon
mic and get much more pleasing results.

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And yeah.

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But God forbid your voiceover guys
use ribbon mics,

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because George would be sending
a lot of them off for repair.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And and there's, there's noise
issues and gain issues, but, it.

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Seems like she has, like.

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Like you can warp a ribbon mic
to do what you want as long as you're

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willing to deal with
some of the noise issues

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of all the gain
and things you're doing to it.

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But with a with a condenser mic,
you're much better off,

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like kind of leaving it alone
and saying, let's switch the mic out.

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Let's try to, yeah, adjust the position.

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As George pointed out.
Exactly the position.

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Or the, the, the polar pattern does
change the Q of the mic,

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not just the low frequencies,
but the midnight highs as well.

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People don't appreciate that.

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Yeah, I really love experimenting
with not just landing on cardioid,

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because that's the natural
tendency is to like cardio.

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But I like I like figure eight.
Yeah. Please experiment.

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Like if you're in a small space

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and you would normally not think
a figure eight makes sense, try it out.

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You might be shocked sometimes.

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However, if you're like me
and you have a weak low frequency,

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You know, you get better practicing.
Your voice. Yeah, yeah.

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But with Scott Rumble
to get his to sound like it wasn't like

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it wasn't a thunder in the microphone,
we had to go to wide cardioid.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Because because all the way out the Omni
you don't have really any proximity

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in the proximity. Yeah.
So in wide cardioid you're lessening it.

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Yeah. Right. Yeah.

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But but another thing I do but.

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Also with the finger it
you can place it better

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and you can play the nulls in the room.
You can. Yeah.

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That's kind of.

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When you're mentioning certain capsules
can have sibilant spikes in them.

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You know the first thing
everybody is saying is can you do this.

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Can you do this.

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And I don't reach for a de-esser first.

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I always reach for,
you know, a filter, a parametric two,

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so I can zoom in on that spike

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and just notch it out a little bit,
and then it's just beautiful after that.

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Yeah.

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So seven kilohertz, where my brother chipped my tooth when I was seven kilohertz.

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Yeah.

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No, I wish I was kidding, but I'm not.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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It's funny.

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You know, we talk about to figure out
I remember

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I was experimenting
using figure eight as well.

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And I thought it sounded fantastic.

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Until one day I actually went to cardioid
and then realized how much bottom

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end there was. Infinity.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Well, and you've got that heavy voice too,
so that figure eight was just,

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I mean, especially if you're riding it up
close. Yeah.

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I was going to say the figure eight lets
you be further away

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because it's going to reach out
more and so. Right.

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Oh, and for the audience
don't judge my mics on how they sound

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when they're pointing to the left of me
in a drywall box.

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Go listen to them in your studio
before you make a judgment.

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Get it? Get up
nice and close on the forest.

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Come on. You got to get up nice and close.

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This is Derek Berger with Vanguard
Audio Labs.

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I don't know why I had to go sexy,
but I did my finger right on this.

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PR bit from, SNL.

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Am I doing the
what is the classic illustration?

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Okay. Yeah.

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The k you like this. Is
this is K. You will. See.

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We will be playing. Yeah.

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A fifth Symphony.

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No. Yeah, yeah.

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Rob. Oh,
you've been dying to ask me a question.

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We keep stepping on your toes.

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And it's gone.

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And it's gone out of my head.

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Now it's it's going to be
if you, It was completely.

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It was a completely personal one.

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But if let's take Andrew, for example,
if you had to pick the perfect

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mike out of your range
to suit you, Andrew, where would you go?

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It's going to be a question
I was going to ask as well.

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Oh, geez. I mean,

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I have a hard time saying not the V 13.

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And here's why.

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It's the polar patterns with the roll off
and the pad make it

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pretty versatile on voices.

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It's it's flattering enough.

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The only downside to
that is it's a tube mic

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so that you have to
if you're taking it places,

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you gotta set up the power supply
and blah, blah.

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It's one more thing that can go wrong
when voiceover auditions.

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I mean, I've been in the room
when they're like,

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oh yeah, we got the female.

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We got to put this out in 30s
we got to do the read

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and go and run it
into, Twisted Wave and send it out.

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So that's one more thing.

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If you've, you know,
if you have to turn on the to,

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the power supply
and wait for it to heat up or God forbid,

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you can't figure out
why your Mike's not working

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is because the power supply cable
came out of the wall.

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Don't ask me how many mics
I've been trying to take apart

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after I after I built them,
and it's not working.

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And the problem was an IEC cable

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that came loose out of the wall socket
or something like that.

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You know,
I'd say the V 13 would be a good

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I mean, I'd love to say the V 14 just,
you know, I'd love for you to give

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me five grand, but,

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that's a that's an American five grand.

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I'm not sorry, Ganges.

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Next question is, what sort of discount
are you going to give me?

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So just be careful what you. Sorry.

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Andrew, what's difference in $5,000?

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That's what I said. Australian pesos.

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I'll take.

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I'll take it over. Canadian 5000. Right.

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I'll give you a tip, mate.

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If you want to make a sale,
just give Andrew a tip.

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So I just give Andrew a hint of a bargain.

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And you've probably made the sale.

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He just can't help himself.

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I know this is this magical cable tie
that comes with the microphone.

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Yeah, yeah.

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What about AP is bad? Yes. Bad.
Yeah. Okay.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, picking mics for voices
is tricky.

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But I think that, a really good one

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I heard and I don't remember
which engineer said it.

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As if you're making a sauce.

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Take a mic that sounds like
the opposite of that sauce.

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If you had a really bright sauce,

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put a put a darker ribbon on it,
or put a U 67 or V 13 if you've got it.

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If you've got a source of nasally
like mine, you do not want a mic

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that has those nasally, like,
you know, 500 to 1000, 1.5 like.

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Those, you know, you.

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Know, that's really funny about that
though, because, you know,

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the whole thing about the UAD seven,
everybody, you 87

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gotta have a you 87 voice over you 87.

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In Australia
we have a nasally tone to our.

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Our exhale your accent.

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Yeah.

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So you put a U
87 on someone in Australia.

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It emphasizes the nasal.

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Well, maybe that's what you want.

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If you're saying,
you know Crocodile Dundee.

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That's right.

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That's if you do it,
if you're hamming it up, you know.

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Yeah, yeah yeah. Know.

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But Mike, this is a mike. Yeah.

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Do you make any small diaphragm mikes
or is it all I do?

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Actually, there's one back here.

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I don't have it hooked up.
It was hooked up to the Evo eight.

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Oh, I thought, but now it's not.

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Oh, no.

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This is a small diaphragm with a large
diaphragm attachment called the lolly.

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Okay, so.

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This takes here
this. Oh, it's a different preamp.

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Well, listen. Do me a favor.

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Buddy. Do me a favor.

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Let's place him on hold music on
the episode here and go to here like that.

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Can you plug that sucker in real quick?
Because I'd love to hear.

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Duh duh duh.

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Duh duh duh duh duh duh duh.

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Duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh.

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You guys are probably
gonna get a pop here.

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There we go.

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Be careful.

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It's it's a popping bass that we have.

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That's what. It is.

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Bum bum bum bum bum.

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Yeah. Oh,

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it could be.

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Obviously, this has to get added a lot

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because it will get slammed.

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Yeah, I'll change it for some lift.

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Music.

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There we go.

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He's back. Here we. Go.

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Now. I'm back in my. Yeah.

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It's kind of these take a little while
to charge up because of the circuit.

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It's a charge.

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00:10:02,624 --> 00:10:04,191
The design.

243
00:10:04,191 --> 00:10:06,109
There we go. It's got more heat to it.

244
00:10:06,109 --> 00:10:08,993
You can back the gain,
I think down just a bit. Okay. Yeah.

245
00:10:08,993 --> 00:10:10,760
I'm sorry, I just bumped them.

246
00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:12,744
That's pretty nice. I'm
good at this. There you go. Yeah.

247
00:10:12,744 --> 00:10:15,061
So this is, Let me do this.

248
00:10:15,061 --> 00:10:17,062
Which one's blue? This is.

249
00:10:17,062 --> 00:10:18,212
And what's the other one you have?

250
00:10:18,212 --> 00:10:20,763
You have the actual small diaphragm
pointing straight at you, and then the

251
00:10:20,763 --> 00:10:23,547
the drop. So there's a large diaphragm
I'm talking into right now.

252
00:10:23,547 --> 00:10:25,231
And it has a lot of proximity effect.

253
00:10:25,231 --> 00:10:26,698
Actually this is an cardioid.

254
00:10:26,698 --> 00:10:29,732
But it also switches to omni
if you so desire.

255
00:10:29,882 --> 00:10:33,033
And then the other one
that I'm going to turn up right here,

256
00:10:33,033 --> 00:10:34,884
and it's probably going to be
a little quieter,

257
00:10:34,884 --> 00:10:36,984
just because of the smaller diaphragm.

258
00:10:36,984 --> 00:10:38,701
This is an this is the SDC.

259
00:10:38,701 --> 00:10:40,218
So it comes a four capsule standard.

260
00:10:40,218 --> 00:10:41,035
It comes with an omni

261
00:10:41,035 --> 00:10:45,503
hyper cardioid, cardioid and wide cardioid
that all you just screw on and take off.

262
00:10:45,687 --> 00:10:48,171
I wish I had left the case out
to show you guys.

263
00:10:48,171 --> 00:10:51,872
But I did not think that far ahead
because that sounds like me, doesn't it?

264
00:10:52,889 --> 00:10:53,389
This is just the

265
00:10:53,389 --> 00:10:57,290
cardioid, on there, but,
yeah, we just came out with the Gen two.

266
00:10:57,290 --> 00:10:59,091
The college into is not out yet.

267
00:10:59,091 --> 00:11:01,641
Unfortunately, we had a break in in 2021

268
00:11:01,641 --> 00:11:04,826
where they stole like
250 units of metal work for the Wally.

269
00:11:05,242 --> 00:11:07,260
And I have yet to recover from that.

270
00:11:07,260 --> 00:11:08,093
What do they do with.

271
00:11:08,093 --> 00:11:10,294
That dude is that I think they broke this.

272
00:11:10,294 --> 00:11:11,511
They smashed and grabbed.

273
00:11:11,511 --> 00:11:13,195
They grabbed everything
they could off the shelf.

274
00:11:13,195 --> 00:11:15,595
So they grabbed like 200 shock mounts.

275
00:11:15,595 --> 00:11:17,996
You know, they grabbed a bunch of stuff
that wasn't finished

276
00:11:17,996 --> 00:11:20,997
and then tried to sell it on Mercari
that didn't go well for them.

277
00:11:21,680 --> 00:11:23,648
Oh, yeah. Let's hurry.

278
00:11:23,648 --> 00:11:24,448
You know, I have to.

279
00:11:24,448 --> 00:11:27,532
Offer up the light,
you know, that sort of thing.

280
00:11:27,532 --> 00:11:28,499
But yeah, they were selling them

281
00:11:28,499 --> 00:11:31,433
and then people would buy a mic
for like 75 bucks and be like,

282
00:11:31,433 --> 00:11:33,234
they emailed me like, hey,
I bought this mic used.

283
00:11:33,234 --> 00:11:35,851
It's not working. Like,
what's the serial number?

284
00:11:35,851 --> 00:11:37,502
Because it wasn't a complete a microphone.

285
00:11:37,502 --> 00:11:38,019
That's why.

286
00:11:38,019 --> 00:11:41,486
Because we do we do, you know,
we do a R assembly in the States.

287
00:11:41,486 --> 00:11:45,604
So like those mics may not have had PCBs
or maybe it didn't have certain components

288
00:11:45,604 --> 00:11:49,589
in them or, you know, all sorts of things
where the mics weren't completed yet.

289
00:11:49,622 --> 00:11:52,523
They only stole like five completed
microphones.

290
00:11:52,523 --> 00:11:55,107
But anyways,
the Lolli Gen two is not out yet,

291
00:11:55,107 --> 00:11:57,841
but the V1 Gen two is
and it comes with the four.

292
00:11:57,841 --> 00:11:59,575
And we also did them in black actually,

293
00:11:59,575 --> 00:12:01,692
because that was the most requested
feature.

294
00:12:01,692 --> 00:12:04,193
People are like,
I want to use this on stage.

295
00:12:04,193 --> 00:12:06,143
We had a national orchestra
in Europe saying,

296
00:12:06,143 --> 00:12:09,744
I want to buy 60 of these, but we can't
have them because they're too shiny.

297
00:12:09,744 --> 00:12:11,545
And these are all televised.

298
00:12:11,545 --> 00:12:11,928
Oh, that's.

299
00:12:11,928 --> 00:12:12,328
So we made.

300
00:12:12,328 --> 00:12:15,596
So much the tape is for, oh, like.

301
00:12:15,596 --> 00:12:16,880
The whole taping the entire mic.

302
00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,381
No more residence on that. My body.

303
00:12:19,381 --> 00:12:19,981
Yeah. But,

304
00:12:21,064 --> 00:12:22,198
But, yeah, this is a

305
00:12:22,198 --> 00:12:25,199
this is a small diaphragms,
that I'm talking into now.

306
00:12:25,249 --> 00:12:27,983
This is, this is a cardioid capsule.

307
00:12:27,983 --> 00:12:32,701
I think we do have filters
and pads on the, on the small diaphragm.

308
00:12:32,784 --> 00:12:35,252
No, no.

309
00:12:35,252 --> 00:12:36,319
Not to get too nerdy.

310
00:12:36,319 --> 00:12:38,819
If you put a screw in pad,
you have to have active electronics.

311
00:12:38,819 --> 00:12:41,037
And that,
and that's going to mess with the signal.

312
00:12:41,037 --> 00:12:45,271
And if you, do a pad switch,
I looked for a while

313
00:12:45,271 --> 00:12:48,389
to try and find a pad switch
that did not affect the signal negatively,

314
00:12:48,656 --> 00:12:51,740
and I did not find one for this microphone
because it's so small

315
00:12:52,073 --> 00:12:54,274
and you have to put a slide
switch in there.

316
00:12:54,274 --> 00:12:57,858
And the contacts just were not good enough
either in the high Z section for that.

317
00:12:57,858 --> 00:12:59,576
By the way,
you're in the high impedance section.

318
00:12:59,576 --> 00:13:01,409
So you're the very yeah.

319
00:13:01,409 --> 00:13:03,310
You're getting the negative feedback.

320
00:13:03,310 --> 00:13:05,010
Yeah. Yeah. Well for the artists.

321
00:13:05,010 --> 00:13:06,261
Well we're talking about it
because you know

322
00:13:06,261 --> 00:13:08,311
we've got Andrew over here
on small diaphragm

323
00:13:08,311 --> 00:13:09,895
and yeah obviously sounds pretty good.

324
00:13:09,895 --> 00:13:12,263
And you know for 16 small diaphragm.

325
00:13:12,263 --> 00:13:16,130
So how does an artist decide
if they need really

326
00:13:16,130 --> 00:13:20,398
truly need a large diaphragm capsule
mic versus a medium or small diaphragm.

327
00:13:21,032 --> 00:13:23,282
The large that will be lower noise
typically.

328
00:13:23,282 --> 00:13:24,983
That's one thing. Yes, that is true.

329
00:13:24,983 --> 00:13:29,934
However, I will say this
I tell people and I'm a mic guy.

330
00:13:29,934 --> 00:13:33,119
It is in my interest
to sell you more microphone.

331
00:13:33,119 --> 00:13:37,553
So when I say this, it is important that
you understand that it's me saying it.

332
00:13:38,854 --> 00:13:40,821
A lot of the times the best mic

333
00:13:40,821 --> 00:13:43,555
for the job is the one you already have,
and you don't know it yet.

334
00:13:43,555 --> 00:13:45,122
There are exceptions to that.

335
00:13:45,122 --> 00:13:49,373
Like let's say you have,
you only have a 41 six or a 416, right?

336
00:13:49,490 --> 00:13:52,641
49 you are suddenly
you have to do an audiobook,

337
00:13:53,675 --> 00:13:57,442
and that means that you have to sit
like this for hours at a time and not move

338
00:13:57,442 --> 00:14:00,477
a single centimeter, because if you do,
everything's going to go to hell.

339
00:14:00,477 --> 00:14:02,710
And apologies
if there were plosives on that.

340
00:14:02,710 --> 00:14:05,361
Small diaphragms
can be more susceptible to plosives,

341
00:14:05,361 --> 00:14:09,029
especially when they're designed well,
like this, where the diaphragm breathes

342
00:14:09,512 --> 00:14:13,347
because it is one millimeter
from that grill cloth there.

343
00:14:13,397 --> 00:14:16,948
And that means that there is nowhere
for that air to go but into the diaphragm.

344
00:14:16,948 --> 00:14:19,315
So they have plosives much easier.

345
00:14:19,315 --> 00:14:22,883
I'm not sure if you've experienced that
with your, with your OCA there.

346
00:14:23,900 --> 00:14:25,050
But with the CC eight.

347
00:14:25,050 --> 00:14:26,301
This one. Yeah.

348
00:14:26,301 --> 00:14:27,751
That's
why I'm saying you're got to be very.

349
00:14:27,751 --> 00:14:28,568
That's why I've got the.

350
00:14:28,568 --> 00:14:32,486
Small diaphragm condensers
generally like with a large diaphragm,

351
00:14:32,486 --> 00:14:34,436
when you think about, you know, this mic

352
00:14:34,436 --> 00:14:36,720
that I was using earlier,
I'm just going to unplug it real quick.

353
00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:40,671
You know, think about how much distance
there is between the grill here

354
00:14:41,005 --> 00:14:42,472
and the, the capsule.

355
00:14:42,472 --> 00:14:45,056
That's probably, conservatively,
three quarters of an inch.

356
00:14:45,056 --> 00:14:46,023
Maybe an inch.

357
00:14:46,023 --> 00:14:46,173
Yeah.

358
00:14:46,173 --> 00:14:49,174
And then the,
Well, this is a millimeter.

359
00:14:49,441 --> 00:14:50,074
What's. Yeah.

360
00:14:50,074 --> 00:14:50,758
What's the rule?

361
00:14:50,758 --> 00:14:52,675
The, the root square.

362
00:14:52,675 --> 00:14:54,659
Like. Like the root mean square.

363
00:14:54,659 --> 00:14:54,809
Yeah.

364
00:14:54,809 --> 00:14:57,843
I mean, you go, like, twice
as far away as four times less signal.

365
00:14:58,443 --> 00:15:00,777
Yeah. So again, Robert,
you just have to geek out, don't you?

366
00:15:00,777 --> 00:15:02,578
I do love. Nothing wrong with that.

367
00:15:02,578 --> 00:15:03,978
I'm with Robert on this one.

368
00:15:03,978 --> 00:15:08,213
But really the bottom line is,
so with a 416 reading

369
00:15:08,213 --> 00:15:12,147
a narration one, the sound is going to
maybe not be what you're looking for.

370
00:15:12,147 --> 00:15:14,581
The tonal qualities of a four, 16
or 41 six.

371
00:15:14,581 --> 00:15:15,448
Apologies, Robert.

372
00:15:15,448 --> 00:15:20,133
But two just the fact
that you have to sit in the same spot

373
00:15:20,133 --> 00:15:21,983
every time and not move an inch

374
00:15:21,983 --> 00:15:24,984
while you're reading copy
and turning pages and whatever.

375
00:15:25,168 --> 00:15:25,434
Yeah.

376
00:15:25,434 --> 00:15:30,203
Whereas if you get a mic that can do this,
let me just turn this over here

377
00:15:30,203 --> 00:15:32,303
and I can look at a white

378
00:15:32,303 --> 00:15:35,154
or I could or a wide cardioid
where I can get a little further around it

379
00:15:35,154 --> 00:15:35,721
and I can move.

380
00:15:35,721 --> 00:15:37,438
And it doesn't affect
the audio quality as much,

381
00:15:37,438 --> 00:15:40,189
because I'll tell you right now,
I'm listening to an audiobook,

382
00:15:40,189 --> 00:15:43,590
and there are times
where you hear in between sentences

383
00:15:43,590 --> 00:15:45,290
where they've clearly cut something in

384
00:15:45,290 --> 00:15:47,307
after the fact, like,
oh, we need to reread this

385
00:15:47,307 --> 00:15:48,925
because you before a word or whatever.

386
00:15:48,925 --> 00:15:49,675
And it's, it's.

387
00:15:49,675 --> 00:15:52,509
It's jarring. Takes me
out of the audiobook totally.

388
00:15:52,509 --> 00:15:55,226
You know,
and that's like I'm an audio guy.

389
00:15:55,226 --> 00:15:56,160
So I would notice that.

390
00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,128
But even my wife goes, that was weird.
What's going on?

391
00:15:59,128 --> 00:15:59,878
Yeah, yeah.

392
00:15:59,878 --> 00:16:01,078
It like it takes her out of it.

393
00:16:01,078 --> 00:16:03,862
And she's not she it's as far from audio,
but she doesn't want to do it.

394
00:16:03,862 --> 00:16:06,746
My it's like ADR for audiobooks.

395
00:16:06,746 --> 00:16:07,980
Yeah, exactly.

396
00:16:07,980 --> 00:16:13,015
So it's I think that,
I think that it's really important

397
00:16:13,015 --> 00:16:16,249
to think about like ultimately mixer
paint brushes, right?

398
00:16:16,249 --> 00:16:18,650
Like, if you're Bob Ross,
you're not using your, your,

399
00:16:18,650 --> 00:16:22,018
your two inch brush to sign it or,
you know, do your tree trunks,

400
00:16:22,018 --> 00:16:25,885
you're not using your, your, your, liner
brush for the happy little clouds.

401
00:16:25,885 --> 00:16:27,719
Right. You've got different brushes
for different things.

402
00:16:27,719 --> 00:16:29,603
And ultimately these are tools

403
00:16:29,603 --> 00:16:32,120
and you have to treat them as
what is this tool good at?

404
00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:36,572
Now, that being said, you know,
if you want an all around Mike,

405
00:16:37,139 --> 00:16:41,240
I would say go with, with either
a large diaphragm or a small diaphragm

406
00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:45,658
that has a wider pattern
pickup pattern than like A4416 or a 41.

407
00:16:45,658 --> 00:16:46,741
Yeah. Apologies.

408
00:16:46,741 --> 00:16:49,442
Yeah, I, I know that you're going
to get used to saying that.

409
00:16:49,442 --> 00:16:50,843
Why are we saying 41 six?

410
00:16:50,843 --> 00:16:53,010
Because we change the world.

411
00:16:53,010 --> 00:16:55,461
Because we
when we first started this program,

412
00:16:55,461 --> 00:16:58,045
we had 416
that we call it here in Australia.

413
00:16:58,045 --> 00:17:00,779
And you guys call it the what was 2016.

414
00:17:00,779 --> 00:17:03,863
So we decided we'd find some middle ground
and create our own name.

415
00:17:03,863 --> 00:17:05,313
So the 4141

416
00:17:06,297 --> 00:17:08,481
and now and now when I freelance,

417
00:17:08,481 --> 00:17:11,549
I walk into the studio and I'll say,
is there 41 six around someone?

418
00:17:11,549 --> 00:17:13,049
Now look at me and go, what?

419
00:17:13,049 --> 00:17:13,432
What do you have?

420
00:17:13,432 --> 00:17:15,483
Like the guy on. Three, four, one six.
Yeah.

421
00:17:15,483 --> 00:17:17,450
Can you give me the Neumann? You 87.

422
00:17:17,450 --> 00:17:18,267
Yeah.

423
00:17:18,267 --> 00:17:20,484
It's like give away from the console now.

424
00:17:20,484 --> 00:17:21,318
Yeah.

425
00:17:21,318 --> 00:17:21,601
Yeah.

426
00:17:21,601 --> 00:17:24,602
But, Yeah, the Neumann.

427
00:17:24,602 --> 00:17:26,703
Neumann was the guy on Seinfeld.
Yeah. I was gonna say.

428
00:17:26,703 --> 00:17:29,454
I mean, yeah.

429
00:17:29,454 --> 00:17:31,521
He turned 67.

430
00:17:31,521 --> 00:17:35,122
So when Neumann on Seinfeld turned 67.

431
00:17:35,389 --> 00:17:37,039
I just.

432
00:17:37,039 --> 00:17:39,440
I missed
they missed a really awesome joke on.

433
00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,141
Oh, yeah. Yeah,
yeah, exactly. Three people. What?

434
00:17:42,141 --> 00:17:43,074
I got that.

435
00:17:43,074 --> 00:17:46,075
All right, so I'm gonna bring it back,
and I need them.

436
00:17:47,609 --> 00:17:48,709
I was just going to say just quickly.

437
00:17:48,709 --> 00:17:50,343
Just while we were on. On Derek's point.

438
00:17:50,343 --> 00:17:51,927
Sorry, George,
but just while we were on that point

439
00:17:51,927 --> 00:17:53,011
about microphones,

440
00:17:53,011 --> 00:17:56,628
I was going to say, though, there are
microphones that sort of give you that

441
00:17:56,628 --> 00:18:00,529
sort of quality that you're talking about,
that high top end like the 41 six,

442
00:18:00,746 --> 00:18:05,664
like the, the, 90 100, yeah.

443
00:18:05,664 --> 00:18:07,315
The 91 or the okay.

444
00:18:07,315 --> 00:18:12,533
6016 both sort of have that hype
at the top end, but being large capsules

445
00:18:12,533 --> 00:18:15,534
sort of give you that luxury of,
as you say, being able to.

446
00:18:15,634 --> 00:18:17,034
Yeah, move around a little bit.

447
00:18:17,034 --> 00:18:18,385
So, you know.

448
00:18:18,385 --> 00:18:22,619
It's funny though, we I was at Scott
Rumbles the first time I got introduced to

449
00:18:22,619 --> 00:18:25,953
voice over is like a market
for microphones was Scott Rumble.

450
00:18:25,953 --> 00:18:27,771
I met him at Nam
and he's like I've been looking

451
00:18:27,771 --> 00:18:31,772
for a new microphone to do narration
on, and I have a 416.

452
00:18:31,788 --> 00:18:33,056
And I was wondering if you had anything.

453
00:18:33,056 --> 00:18:34,889
And he lived not that far from me.

454
00:18:34,889 --> 00:18:36,957
At the time he was in Yorba Linda.
I was an upland.

455
00:18:36,957 --> 00:18:39,958
It was an easy drive for me,
so I took down two mikes to him

456
00:18:40,108 --> 00:18:43,108
and we sat there for the day
and we played with the V 13,

457
00:18:43,225 --> 00:18:45,442
and I got to listen to Scott Rumble
to Scott Rumble things.

458
00:18:45,442 --> 00:18:48,993
And so he had it running into an Avalon.

459
00:18:49,527 --> 00:18:50,244
What is 70.

460
00:18:50,244 --> 00:18:52,795
737 737 yeah.

461
00:18:52,795 --> 00:18:55,462
767 is a, airline thing.

462
00:18:55,462 --> 00:19:00,230
But, he had it running into the Avalon
that has Nic and stuff like that.

463
00:19:00,230 --> 00:19:03,781
And so we were playing around with it, and
he was like, I love this for narration.

464
00:19:03,781 --> 00:19:06,082
I love the setting you've got for that.

465
00:19:06,082 --> 00:19:08,399
Can we make this sound like a 416
just for fun?

466
00:19:08,399 --> 00:19:11,283
So we started playing with the EQ and
we started playing with the polar pattern.

467
00:19:11,283 --> 00:19:12,750
We got really close

468
00:19:12,750 --> 00:19:16,918
and then his agent calls and he's like,
hey man, you're reading, what is it?

469
00:19:16,918 --> 00:19:19,202
Valerian
and the city of a Thousand Planets,

470
00:19:19,202 --> 00:19:21,470
or it was a sci
fi movie from back in the day.

471
00:19:21,470 --> 00:19:23,637
It's like you're doing the read for this.

472
00:19:23,637 --> 00:19:27,388
You're on and, like, a minute,
and I panic and I grab it for 16.

473
00:19:27,388 --> 00:19:28,972
I'm trying to,
because he only has one input

474
00:19:28,972 --> 00:19:30,989
right at that time, and I'm trying
to put everything back together.

475
00:19:30,989 --> 00:19:32,973
He goes,
no, no, no, let's just see if they notice.

476
00:19:32,973 --> 00:19:35,140
And they Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

477
00:19:35,140 --> 00:19:36,241
It's you. Know.

478
00:19:36,241 --> 00:19:38,975
And so he gets on there like, Scotty,
you're doing something different today.

479
00:19:38,975 --> 00:19:41,759
You sound really good.
And he looks at me and he goes, no,

480
00:19:42,776 --> 00:19:44,760
that's how he does the read Valerian.

481
00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,877
You know, you know, doing like six
different takes of it or whatever.

482
00:19:47,877 --> 00:19:51,978
And, you know, five minutes later,
he's, he's probably

483
00:19:51,978 --> 00:19:54,029
several thousand dollars richer
because that's the way it works.

484
00:19:54,029 --> 00:19:54,829
And it's amazing.

485
00:19:54,829 --> 00:20:00,081
And, then like a month later,
I'm watching Hulu and that comes on.

486
00:20:00,081 --> 00:20:00,664
I'm like, oh.

487
00:20:00,664 --> 00:20:01,881
Shit, that's my microphone.

488
00:20:01,881 --> 00:20:03,899
That's cool. Yeah, yeah.

489
00:20:03,899 --> 00:20:06,983
That's that's that's the story stuff
you want to put up on your website.

490
00:20:06,983 --> 00:20:09,450
Right. That's an. Yeah, I think I have.

491
00:20:09,450 --> 00:20:10,084
As you Sean.

492
00:20:10,084 --> 00:20:12,951
I'm, I'm,
clipping here. Apologies. I, it.

493
00:20:12,951 --> 00:20:15,085
Just reminds me
of one of our first episodes,

494
00:20:15,085 --> 00:20:20,903
and we did a shoot out
and we were all ready when the 91.

495
00:20:21,003 --> 00:20:26,455
Not the 91 day, but the 91, I believe,
was the closest to the 41 six.

496
00:20:26,455 --> 00:20:29,089
And we were just like, how could that be?

497
00:20:29,089 --> 00:20:34,174
There's there's no farther apart as far
as construction and design and everything.

498
00:20:34,641 --> 00:20:36,625
But they really did was us.

499
00:20:36,625 --> 00:20:38,158
Yeah. It was that was so bizarre.

500
00:20:38,158 --> 00:20:43,110
We had I think I just brought
all of my mikes out and line them up.

501
00:20:43,110 --> 00:20:45,627
I think that. Sounds like
it's a considerable collection.

502
00:20:47,561 --> 00:20:50,545
But don't start serious over here
for another hour.

503
00:20:50,545 --> 00:20:52,346
Yeah, yeah, yeah,

504
00:20:52,346 --> 00:20:52,563
yeah.

505
00:20:52,563 --> 00:20:56,514
So here's my question that I, that I had,

506
00:20:56,514 --> 00:20:59,548
Josephson, I don't know if you're familiar
with with them as a.

507
00:20:59,548 --> 00:21:00,532
Yeah. Yeah.

508
00:21:00,532 --> 00:21:03,332
And I think also the new Sony

509
00:21:03,332 --> 00:21:04,800
and you don't see
a lot of mikes to do this,

510
00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,434
but they take a large diaphragm
and a small diaphragm

511
00:21:07,434 --> 00:21:10,801
and they put them in one,
and then they blend them electronically.

512
00:21:10,801 --> 00:21:13,585
And I was wondering,
what's your thought on that.

513
00:21:13,585 --> 00:21:14,819
Where are the pitfalls of that?

514
00:21:14,819 --> 00:21:17,570
I imagine there's
some phase issues at least.

515
00:21:17,570 --> 00:21:20,637
But in theory
there could be phase issues there.

516
00:21:21,004 --> 00:21:25,189
Unless you're up in so close
there's probably in frequency

517
00:21:25,222 --> 00:21:27,356
domain that it doesn't matter. Right.

518
00:21:27,356 --> 00:21:29,340
So like my stereo mic for instance.

519
00:21:29,340 --> 00:21:32,608
Let's say I don't have the stereo mic
with me, but you can.

520
00:21:32,608 --> 00:21:34,408
Just step our capsules, right.

521
00:21:34,408 --> 00:21:35,158
Yeah, yeah.

522
00:21:35,158 --> 00:21:37,909
And so our other stereo mikes
and there's still face coincident

523
00:21:37,909 --> 00:21:40,560
where it matters in the, in the frequency
domain that humans hear.

524
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,494
Unless you're recording from half
an inch away.

525
00:21:43,494 --> 00:21:45,478
In which case,
what are you doing with a stereo mic.

526
00:21:45,478 --> 00:21:47,779
Right. Okay.
Half an inch right from your. Yeah.

527
00:21:47,779 --> 00:21:49,913
Because now it's like a distant now.

528
00:21:49,913 --> 00:21:51,930
So it's a factor of the source. Right.

529
00:21:51,930 --> 00:21:54,831
Exactly. Right.
So it's a it's a factor of the source dis.

530
00:21:54,831 --> 00:21:57,331
And so I think it's smart
in a number of ways.

531
00:21:57,331 --> 00:22:01,499
Obviously you have to think about
how they're blending it.

532
00:22:01,499 --> 00:22:04,534
Whether they're on separate circuits
that they're then blending it in

533
00:22:04,534 --> 00:22:08,035
or whether they're just doing it
additively in the high impedance section,

534
00:22:08,035 --> 00:22:10,252
because that can cause
I mean, they've thought about this.

535
00:22:10,252 --> 00:22:12,719
They thought about capacitive problems
and things like that.

536
00:22:12,719 --> 00:22:16,070
But all that being said,
I don't think it's a bad idea.

537
00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:17,070
I wish I had it here.

538
00:22:17,070 --> 00:22:20,938
I had a prototype at one point
that I 3D printed that was a 67,

539
00:22:20,938 --> 00:22:23,939
a 47 and a K 12 style capsule.

540
00:22:23,939 --> 00:22:26,840
All in one. Had that. Big bass.

541
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,624
Printed amount and you could in theory,
the idea was I was going to put

542
00:22:30,624 --> 00:22:31,791
three circuits in the mic

543
00:22:31,791 --> 00:22:34,792
and have you be able to blend
between them with a blend pot?

544
00:22:35,009 --> 00:22:37,443
It didn't work out
for a number of reasons.

545
00:22:37,443 --> 00:22:41,011
Not the least of which it looked like a
pickleball racket when you think about it.

546
00:22:41,428 --> 00:22:41,594
Yeah.

547
00:22:44,545 --> 00:22:47,663
But,
but yeah, it was just something I tried

548
00:22:47,663 --> 00:22:51,080
because I was kind of inspired by a
by a similar.

549
00:22:51,380 --> 00:22:53,331
I don't remember who does this.

550
00:22:53,331 --> 00:22:56,332
I think it might have been Audio Technica
where they had four rectangular.

551
00:22:56,432 --> 00:22:58,849
Yeah. It's
Audio Technica has got four for.

552
00:22:58,849 --> 00:22:59,900
Yep. Exactly.

553
00:22:59,900 --> 00:23:02,700
Yeah. And there's, there's advantages
and disadvantages to all that.

554
00:23:02,700 --> 00:23:05,151
You know like all of its balance
ultimately.

555
00:23:05,151 --> 00:23:08,852
And and I think the bottom line is
is it musical.

556
00:23:08,852 --> 00:23:09,986
Does it serve the artist.

557
00:23:09,986 --> 00:23:11,270
Does it serve what they're doing.

558
00:23:11,270 --> 00:23:13,137
And if you lose sight of that then why?

559
00:23:13,137 --> 00:23:16,054
I mean, you're either in it for the money
or your ego or what have you.

560
00:23:16,054 --> 00:23:16,654
And I think

561
00:23:16,654 --> 00:23:20,239
I think it's more it's more fun
to be supporting artists and what they do.

562
00:23:20,239 --> 00:23:24,357
Like I just make paint brushes, you know,
ultimately they're fancy, expensive, sexy

563
00:23:24,357 --> 00:23:25,407
looking paint brushes.

564
00:23:25,407 --> 00:23:27,874
So which
which one is the Bob Ross spatula?

565
00:23:29,575 --> 00:23:30,992
Like, you know, like.

566
00:23:30,992 --> 00:23:32,342
Oh, the palette knife.

567
00:23:32,342 --> 00:23:33,293
Yeah.

568
00:23:33,293 --> 00:23:36,293
He was he was rather versatile
with the palette knife was.

569
00:23:36,744 --> 00:23:38,511
It's like a carbon mike or something.

570
00:23:38,511 --> 00:23:38,844
Yeah.

571
00:23:38,844 --> 00:23:41,178
I don't,
I don't know, I'd have to really I,

572
00:23:41,178 --> 00:23:44,179
if I had to sit down
and make a, put a microphone on all of

573
00:23:44,179 --> 00:23:48,214
that seems like a, like a meme that I need
to do a Bob Ross microphone project.

574
00:23:48,214 --> 00:23:50,881
But yeah,
I'm, I'd have to think about that.

575
00:23:50,881 --> 00:23:55,099
But, yeah,
I think that they're tools ultimately.

576
00:23:55,099 --> 00:23:58,100
And like we do obsess over our tools
as, as artists.

577
00:23:58,350 --> 00:24:01,201
And sometimes I think to our detriment,
I think we lose the forest

578
00:24:01,201 --> 00:24:05,068
through the trees and and going back
to what George said, like, ultimately,

579
00:24:05,335 --> 00:24:08,553
if you got to really turn
in a really great voice over performance

580
00:24:08,553 --> 00:24:12,687
on your iPhone mic for this,
you know, cartoon character audition,

581
00:24:13,888 --> 00:24:15,888
they can put a better mic in front of you.

582
00:24:15,888 --> 00:24:16,789
They can't, you know,

583
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:19,873
they can't turn you into a better view
artist necessarily, right?

584
00:24:19,889 --> 00:24:20,840
Yeah. Easily.

585
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:25,374
You know, so it's
I think I think it's really easy

586
00:24:25,374 --> 00:24:27,708
to do what I did
when I was in junior high and high school

587
00:24:27,708 --> 00:24:30,176
and focus on the tools
and not the instrument.

588
00:24:30,176 --> 00:24:34,810
Now it put me here, which may
or may not be a good thing to have me

589
00:24:34,827 --> 00:24:37,828
on, depending on the day you ask me,
I'll say whether it's a good thing or not.

590
00:24:39,328 --> 00:24:41,696
But ultimately it's it's a tool.

591
00:24:41,696 --> 00:24:43,946
And the art comes first.

592
00:24:43,946 --> 00:24:46,981
And if this tool isn't serving the art,
that's when you go buy a new tool.

593
00:24:46,981 --> 00:24:47,514
Yeah.

594
00:24:47,514 --> 00:24:48,114
Yeah.

595
00:24:48,114 --> 00:24:49,381
Well, or if you've got a lot of money

596
00:24:49,381 --> 00:24:51,082
and you want to support
a boutique manufacturer.

597
00:24:51,082 --> 00:24:54,983
Speaking of new speaking of new tools,
before your natural daylight

598
00:24:54,983 --> 00:24:56,550
fades into darkness. And you.

599
00:24:56,550 --> 00:24:58,684
Because you're. I could tell
it's getting darker in Europe.

600
00:24:58,684 --> 00:24:59,101
Yeah, it's.

601
00:24:59,101 --> 00:25:01,918
Like I said, this has happened,
like. Wow.

602
00:25:01,918 --> 00:25:04,669
And he has to go in a minute.
So Joyce, you got to go.

603
00:25:04,669 --> 00:25:06,003
So new mics.

604
00:25:06,003 --> 00:25:06,720
Are there any.

605
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,721
Yeah I mean not
that you haven't had enough to do already.

606
00:25:09,904 --> 00:25:15,239
Yes. I'm coming out with a very limited
quantity of a small diaphragm to mic.

607
00:25:15,239 --> 00:25:18,323
At the request of one of my buddies,
I was going to build a pair for him

608
00:25:18,323 --> 00:25:20,540
and I was like, I helped build
like ten pairs and see if they sell.

609
00:25:21,924 --> 00:25:23,808
Like I talked about, like a new vista.

610
00:25:23,808 --> 00:25:25,942
Yeah. The, not a new vista.

611
00:25:25,942 --> 00:25:28,843
I've actually got them over there.
The peanut, the sub miniature tubes.

612
00:25:28,843 --> 00:25:30,210
That. Yeah.

613
00:25:30,210 --> 00:25:31,760
So that's the only way you can do them.

614
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,477
Pretty much in a SDC.

615
00:25:33,477 --> 00:25:36,895
Unless it's a small diaphragm
capsule on a big, fat, big, chunky body.

616
00:25:36,895 --> 00:25:39,896
Yeah, yeah.

617
00:25:40,229 --> 00:25:41,396
Yeah, I'm doing that.

618
00:25:41,396 --> 00:25:45,448
I've got some other ideas
that may or may not come to daylight.

619
00:25:45,514 --> 00:25:47,481
I, you know, I've developed projects

620
00:25:47,481 --> 00:25:50,482
that never go anywhere
because I'm like, ultimately, this doesn't

621
00:25:50,482 --> 00:25:53,433
do what we need it to do or what
the artist needs it to do.

622
00:25:53,433 --> 00:25:57,334
So you go back to the drawing board,
you try again, or maybe you let that part

623
00:25:57,334 --> 00:25:58,885
cook a little longer
and you come back to it.

624
00:25:58,885 --> 00:26:00,902
I've got the V7 is another one.

625
00:26:00,902 --> 00:26:02,853
I'm sure you saw it at Nam a couple times

626
00:26:02,853 --> 00:26:04,736
because we're going to release it
and we never did.

627
00:26:04,736 --> 00:26:07,954
It's a nine pattern
fat mic with the pattern selectable

628
00:26:07,954 --> 00:26:10,938
on the front of the mic,
and then it also has swappable capsules,

629
00:26:10,938 --> 00:26:15,956
so you were able to swap out
if you want a K 67 or a U 40 or 47.

630
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,340
That's like the Kirby system,
right? Kirby.

631
00:26:18,340 --> 00:26:19,491
Yes, yes.

632
00:26:19,491 --> 00:26:21,891
But without dealing with,
with the difficulties

633
00:26:21,891 --> 00:26:24,325
that was dealing with
Tracy Kirby sometimes. So.

634
00:26:25,309 --> 00:26:25,893
Yeah.

635
00:26:25,893 --> 00:26:29,810
And then another company does it now
actually, Luke Audio does a swappable

636
00:26:29,810 --> 00:26:33,261
bayonet system that they that that I, that
I understand is a pretty good one too.

637
00:26:33,261 --> 00:26:36,879
And the blue the blue bottle is coming
back with a new name and a new month.

638
00:26:36,929 --> 00:26:39,397
Are they
are they really resurrecting my audio?

639
00:26:39,397 --> 00:26:41,764
A lot. Of microphones. Yeah,
I talked to the guy.

640
00:26:41,764 --> 00:26:42,231
Oh, look at that.

641
00:26:42,231 --> 00:26:42,714
They're blue.

642
00:26:42,714 --> 00:26:45,265
Dirtied their name with the frickin Yeti.

643
00:26:45,265 --> 00:26:46,699
Yeah, I talked to the guy.

644
00:26:46,699 --> 00:26:48,933
I talked to the guy
who had a mockup of the body,

645
00:26:48,933 --> 00:26:50,900
and he was like,
we're starting over. And I'm going to be.

646
00:26:50,900 --> 00:26:52,434
Oh, yeah. Go.

647
00:26:52,434 --> 00:26:54,418
They sold.
They sold it to Logitech. Right?

648
00:26:54,418 --> 00:26:56,902
So blue is in blue
on. The strength of the USB mics.

649
00:26:56,902 --> 00:26:59,819
And then Logitech said,
what do we need this Pro audio stuff for.

650
00:26:59,819 --> 00:27:02,337
Yeah, but they really kind of crapped
on that name.

651
00:27:02,337 --> 00:27:05,371
I thought it was sad
because blue had some wonderful.

652
00:27:05,371 --> 00:27:09,722
Minecraft on the name to the tune of $192
million, and sold it to Logitech.

653
00:27:09,722 --> 00:27:10,822
Everybody has a price to.

654
00:27:12,289 --> 00:27:14,057
Yeah, bring on the.

655
00:27:14,057 --> 00:27:15,157
I gotta pay it.

656
00:27:15,157 --> 00:27:18,891
You know, I gotta
I gotta pay a quarter of $1 billion

657
00:27:18,891 --> 00:27:22,409
or a fifth of $1 billion
for you to design a USB mic.

658
00:27:22,409 --> 00:27:23,543
That's going to be an Apple Stores.

659
00:27:23,543 --> 00:27:26,544
I'd be like, yeah, okay, okay. I mean,

660
00:27:26,644 --> 00:27:31,328
the genius of blue was it was the Yeti
that the Yeti, as bad as it was the.

661
00:27:31,378 --> 00:27:34,162
Yeti in the circle, man. Yeah. Marketing.

662
00:27:34,162 --> 00:27:35,329
Marketing. Gold.

663
00:27:35,329 --> 00:27:38,097
Sorry to bring up those names, but,
you know.

664
00:27:38,097 --> 00:27:38,814
It came up.

665
00:27:38,814 --> 00:27:40,331
No, man, no, man.

666
00:27:40,331 --> 00:27:43,332
It like people needed USB.

667
00:27:43,498 --> 00:27:45,832
They designed something

668
00:27:45,832 --> 00:27:48,417
that somebody
was not an audio person at all

669
00:27:48,417 --> 00:27:52,734
that wanted to start a podcast could use
get a decent sound and a drywall box.

670
00:27:53,118 --> 00:27:56,702
And oh, this is if you have two people,
you put it right here in between them.

671
00:27:56,702 --> 00:27:57,569
And this is figure eight.

672
00:27:57,569 --> 00:28:00,320
And if you have a bunch of people,
you put it in omni like they

673
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:01,920
they dumbed it down for people.

674
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,071
And they also made it
darn near indestructible.

675
00:28:04,071 --> 00:28:04,938
Because that thing,

676
00:28:04,938 --> 00:28:07,939
if you ever picked up a Yeti
with like the cast iron base on it,

677
00:28:08,156 --> 00:28:10,640
that thing could have been a weapon
in the board game.

678
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:11,907
Like it was so much fun.

679
00:28:11,907 --> 00:28:13,791
It's a Yeti bike with. A.

680
00:28:13,791 --> 00:28:17,242
Buddy in the studio
with the Yeti in the kitchen.

681
00:28:18,475 --> 00:28:20,659
That thing would break so heavy.

682
00:28:20,659 --> 00:28:22,293
It was so heavy, so never.

683
00:28:22,293 --> 00:28:25,161
So never a USB mike from Vanguard.

684
00:28:25,161 --> 00:28:27,545
Or probably not, but never say never.

685
00:28:27,545 --> 00:28:30,579
You know, if you have a
if you have $192 million, you

686
00:28:31,729 --> 00:28:34,130
all all right? Price?

687
00:28:34,130 --> 00:28:35,013
Just let him know.

688
00:28:35,013 --> 00:28:37,264
Yeah, yeah, yeah,
he'll have it made tomorrow.

689
00:28:37,264 --> 00:28:38,931
No, it's some other ideas too.

690
00:28:38,931 --> 00:28:41,332
And it's you know,
I think my biggest thing right now

691
00:28:41,332 --> 00:28:43,549
is I've been looking. And George,
you know about this.

692
00:28:43,549 --> 00:28:44,483
I've talked to you about this.

693
00:28:44,483 --> 00:28:47,000
Ken died in March, rather unexpectedly.

694
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:51,685
And we were both are both engineers,
you know, and engineers running companies

695
00:28:51,685 --> 00:28:53,235
doesn't go so well.

696
00:28:53,235 --> 00:28:55,953
So I've been looking
for a new business partner to come in

697
00:28:55,953 --> 00:28:59,937
and run the business side of it,
because it's no fun to do accounting

698
00:28:59,937 --> 00:29:01,971
when I could be designing microphones,
you know, or it's

699
00:29:01,971 --> 00:29:05,756
no fun to be doing, vendor management
when I could be doing microphones.

700
00:29:05,756 --> 00:29:11,691
So, that's been my primary concern
for the last nine years.

701
00:29:11,691 --> 00:29:13,408
Yeah,
I was trying to find the right person

702
00:29:13,408 --> 00:29:17,959
to join up with and continue this
so that, you know, ultimately not to not.

703
00:29:17,959 --> 00:29:19,893
This is a call for resumes, but the.

704
00:29:19,893 --> 00:29:23,427
Pro audio suite is going
where we've we've got the voice

705
00:29:23,444 --> 00:29:26,628
has poured out and I'm not sure, but
we might need a line of microphones too.

706
00:29:26,728 --> 00:29:28,379
I was. Going to say, once we've made.

707
00:29:28,379 --> 00:29:29,162
A little bit.

708
00:29:29,162 --> 00:29:32,513
About. The ideas for vo vo mics and,

709
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:34,714
on my list.

710
00:29:34,714 --> 00:29:37,281
Once, once, Michael
say I'm millions for the possible.

711
00:29:37,281 --> 00:29:38,548
Yeah, yeah, that's right.

712
00:29:38,548 --> 00:29:40,382
They will not be buying in.

713
00:29:40,382 --> 00:29:41,433
Yeah, yeah. I've.

714
00:29:41,433 --> 00:29:42,483
Yeah I thought it

715
00:29:42,483 --> 00:29:45,851
you know if anybody is interested
in partnering on a microphone company

716
00:29:45,851 --> 00:29:48,468
that has the right qualifications
and listens to pro audio suite.

717
00:29:48,468 --> 00:29:51,469
That is a narrow Venn diagram, man. Hey.

718
00:29:51,986 --> 00:29:53,153
Yeah. Venn diagram.

719
00:29:53,153 --> 00:29:54,170
Looks like Madonna's.

720
00:29:54,170 --> 00:29:55,170
Boobs. I'm sorry.

721
00:29:55,170 --> 00:29:57,387
My my mom hasn't got that sort of money,
mate.

722
00:29:57,387 --> 00:29:58,238
I'm sorry.

723
00:29:58,238 --> 00:30:01,588
Yeah, yeah, yeah, just,
Just all the way out here.

724
00:30:01,939 --> 00:30:03,039
Okay.

725
00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:04,506
So you got it. You've got a baby.

726
00:30:04,506 --> 00:30:08,490
But before we, Before you do, because
I know you got a hot out before you do.

727
00:30:08,490 --> 00:30:10,141
If I want to buy a Vanguard. Mike.

728
00:30:10,141 --> 00:30:11,941
Come on, give us. Do the sell. This is.

729
00:30:11,941 --> 00:30:13,859
This is your sales hat moment, mate.

730
00:30:13,859 --> 00:30:17,643
So if you like stupid industry,
you know, niche audio memes

731
00:30:17,643 --> 00:30:19,044
and also looking at microphones,

732
00:30:19,044 --> 00:30:22,795
follow us on Facebook and Instagram
at Vanguard Audio Labs for both of them.

733
00:30:23,211 --> 00:30:27,329
I'm not on X or Twitter because
it was a tire fire before it became Ax.

734
00:30:27,529 --> 00:30:31,731
And I also to buy the microphones.

735
00:30:31,731 --> 00:30:34,648
We do sell direct in the United States
as well as have dealers.

736
00:30:34,648 --> 00:30:35,365
So you can go to shop

737
00:30:35,365 --> 00:30:38,399
dot Vanguard Audio labs.com
if you want to feed our foster dog.

738
00:30:38,399 --> 00:30:40,883
That's a great way to do it. And

739
00:30:42,034 --> 00:30:44,284
you can also go to Vintage King and Pro
Audio

740
00:30:44,284 --> 00:30:48,169
star and guitar Center slash musician
strand, and a number of other retailers.

741
00:30:48,169 --> 00:30:51,986
If you're interested in supporting your
local retailer, I don't mind that either.

742
00:30:52,253 --> 00:30:56,671
If you just go to our website and click
Find a Dealer if you're in Australia or,

743
00:30:56,671 --> 00:31:00,922
wherever else these other guys are,
then you can go to find a dealer

744
00:31:00,922 --> 00:31:03,056
and we're distributed in 78 countries,
I believe.

745
00:31:03,056 --> 00:31:05,540
So wow, wow.
You should be able to find us.

746
00:31:05,540 --> 00:31:07,074
Yeah, I think so.

747
00:31:07,074 --> 00:31:09,391
And where are you right now?

748
00:31:09,391 --> 00:31:12,092
I'm in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Philly.

749
00:31:12,092 --> 00:31:14,760
George, George is going to get a walk.

750
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,310
Yeah,
me and George have talked about this.

751
00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:18,327
Go birds and all that. New York
up next time.

752
00:31:18,327 --> 00:31:20,695
Well yeah visiting that it. Is a palooza.

753
00:31:20,695 --> 00:31:22,679
Also in that area I.

754
00:31:22,679 --> 00:31:25,079
Think he's somewhere
I think he's in Virginia. Virginia.

755
00:31:25,079 --> 00:31:27,930
My old room near Virginia Tech actually.

756
00:31:27,930 --> 00:31:28,197
Yeah.

757
00:31:28,197 --> 00:31:31,381
He's he's down
Alexandria way, if I'm not mistaken.

758
00:31:31,381 --> 00:31:35,132
But if you do make repairs,
I will be contacting you because I have.

759
00:31:35,132 --> 00:31:37,233
Yes, I do lots of make repairs.

760
00:31:37,233 --> 00:31:40,817
I have some 80 sevens
that have mysteriously low gain.

761
00:31:41,934 --> 00:31:42,751
Don't know why.

762
00:31:42,751 --> 00:31:43,801
80 sevens.

763
00:31:43,801 --> 00:31:46,169
Who made those 80 sevens?

764
00:31:46,169 --> 00:31:48,419
Like, like 80. 708.

765
00:31:48,419 --> 00:31:52,371
I thought you said a is is
and mean just like derecho.

766
00:31:53,037 --> 00:31:55,371
Yes. 8780. Seven.

767
00:31:55,371 --> 00:31:56,038
Slow game.

768
00:31:56,038 --> 00:31:58,472
That's an easy fix. I can
I can help you with that.

769
00:31:58,472 --> 00:32:00,290
Oh, say original 80 sevens. Are I.

770
00:32:00,290 --> 00:32:01,473
Their originals.

771
00:32:01,473 --> 00:32:02,007
Yeah. Okay.

772
00:32:02,007 --> 00:32:05,491
Yeah I, I do three of those
a month and that.

773
00:32:05,491 --> 00:32:07,825
Okay. Capacitors I reckon.

774
00:32:07,825 --> 00:32:10,342
Tantalum capacitors or the fat bias.

775
00:32:10,342 --> 00:32:10,943
Yeah.

776
00:32:10,943 --> 00:32:13,010
The fat, the bias I need bias.

777
00:32:13,010 --> 00:32:14,877
Almost everyone that comes in.

778
00:32:14,877 --> 00:32:15,361
Yeah.

779
00:32:15,361 --> 00:32:18,962
These these these were,
these were reworked by by Ben.

780
00:32:18,962 --> 00:32:20,996
Can you say fat bias these days?

781
00:32:20,996 --> 00:32:23,213
Isn't that, like shaming namesake.

782
00:32:23,213 --> 00:32:23,863
Yeah.

783
00:32:23,863 --> 00:32:26,514
I do that. I know that that in in.

784
00:32:26,514 --> 00:32:27,814
Yeah. Here in Australia. Right. Rob.

785
00:32:27,814 --> 00:32:29,215
Oh yeah. Yeah.

786
00:32:29,215 --> 00:32:33,299
So so I mean I know that the a and the ear
kind of an interchangeable

787
00:32:33,299 --> 00:32:36,350
thing for your accent
but it's the fat field effect transistor.

788
00:32:36,383 --> 00:32:36,984
Okay.

789
00:32:36,984 --> 00:32:38,367
Now tell me now tell me no.

790
00:32:38,367 --> 00:32:41,185
And add 16 hours to the end of it. No.

791
00:32:41,185 --> 00:32:44,502
No no no no

792
00:32:45,953 --> 00:32:47,036
no. And I

793
00:32:47,036 --> 00:32:50,037
and he never sold another microphone
in Australia again.

794
00:32:50,104 --> 00:32:51,571
See my much you.

795
00:32:51,571 --> 00:32:54,572
What you would hear from an Aussie is me
microphones fact.

796
00:32:54,689 --> 00:32:57,690
Can you fix it for me?

797
00:32:57,723 --> 00:33:00,590
You said all those hours
that the British got rid of.

798
00:33:00,590 --> 00:33:01,891
You're like we'll take all of us.

799
00:33:01,891 --> 00:33:04,375
We'll just take all of them
and bring them here.

800
00:33:04,375 --> 00:33:06,059
Yeah, it's.

801
00:33:06,059 --> 00:33:09,059
I'm yet to hear someone do a good Aussie
accent who's not an Aussie.

802
00:33:09,143 --> 00:33:09,743
Oh, well, I tell.

803
00:33:09,743 --> 00:33:13,761
You to my manager, Curtis,
I'm here on that round.

804
00:33:13,761 --> 00:33:16,728
Australians. And he nails it.
I got to say.

805
00:33:16,728 --> 00:33:19,012
Get to send me a file
because I'd love to hear it.

806
00:33:19,012 --> 00:33:19,529
Yeah, yeah.

807
00:33:19,529 --> 00:33:22,530
I will

808
00:33:27,532 --> 00:33:28,332
Well, that was fun.

809
00:33:28,332 --> 00:33:30,316
Is it over?

810
00:33:30,316 --> 00:33:31,816
The audio. Sweet.

811
00:33:31,816 --> 00:33:36,201
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812
00:33:36,284 --> 00:33:41,035
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813
00:33:41,035 --> 00:33:44,203
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815
00:33:47,571 --> 00:33:49,755
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