USB Mics: Professional or Pretender?

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Now, talk about microphones.

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Are USB microphones up to snuff as far

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as being used for voiceover?

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Yeah, where did you hear about this topic?

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Was this off the Facebook group?

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It was on Facebook.

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I can't remember what group it was on,

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but someone was asking the question, you know,

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it's been, you know, I realized 10 years

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ago USB mics were a big no-no,

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but are we at a point now where

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USB technology has come far enough that, you

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know, USBs are more acceptable?

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I don't, you know, I don't know if

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it's more acceptable.

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I think it still has a image of

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being unprofessional.

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So I think there's, I don't know if

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there's anything USB mics can do to get

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over that.

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And this is a dumb analogy, but I

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love analogies.

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This is like being a professional photographer, knowing

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how to be a great photographer, and then

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showing up with an iPhone 15 Pro and

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saying, this is my camera.

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And you're like, I know they can pull

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off a great photo with this thing, but

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it's not a pro camera.

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I feel like it's a similar thing.

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It's interesting though, isn't it?

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Cause there's a couple of mics out there,

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good mics, like Rode have one and Shure

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have one that do both, that do XLR

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and USB-C.

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So it's not a matter of technology.

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It's not anymore, is it?

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That's the thing.

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It's all about eye candy, which is, you

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know, a lot of what studios are becoming

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these days more and more.

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It's like, does it look good as opposed

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to, does it sound good?

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I think it's two things.

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I think it's perception and I think it's

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practicality.

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Yeah.

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If you work purely solo in your own

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little booth at home, USB or brain out,

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it's fine.

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Use your NT1, whatever you've got with USB,

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it's fine.

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When you have to work in a workflow

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with a production remotely, or if you have

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multiple microphones that you manage or switch between,

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USB is not the way to go by

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far.

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Or if you have to go any kind

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of distance, because USB, maybe 10, 12 feet

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or three meters, if you have a really

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long cable, maybe.

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But other than that, once you go beyond

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that, forget it.

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It's not reliable.

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So you can't get a good connection.

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So like a lot of people have their

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laptop outside their closet, you know, and they'll

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have their mic in the closet.

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And they'll be like, I can't get a

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reliable connection to my USB.

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It doesn't matter whether it's a mic or

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an interface, same problem.

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And it's like, that's just because it doesn't

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do well over distance.

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But you know, what does is a studio

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mic cable, an XLR balanced mic cable can

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run a very long distance, hundreds plus feet.

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Talking about that though, if you're using a

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USB interface, which many people do as opposed

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to outboard gear with an A to D

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converter.

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Basically, if the USB microphone has a decent

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capsule, then there really isn't that much difference

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between a standard XLR cable mic into a

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USB interface.

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Not really.

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I mean, if you're comparing the entry level

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audio interface products, we'll talk about the Passport

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VO by the way, because I saw the

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circuit board.

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Yeah, yeah.

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The amount of componentry packed into that board

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is mind-boggling.

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It is nothing at all what you would

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see inside of a USB mic or a

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typical USB interface, like a Scarlett 2i2 for

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that matter.

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Most of the componentry that run these devices

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are condensed down to a couple of ICU

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chips, just IC chips, just small chips that

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do the vast majority of the heavy lifting.

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And because of that miniaturization now, you're basically

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taking the function of a USB interface and

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packing it down into a little board and

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shoving it inside the body of the mic.

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And so there's no real inherent necessary reason

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the quality needs to be lower.

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I think the first really good USB mic

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that I knew of or heard of was

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probably the Sennheiser MK4 Digital.

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That's when Sennheiser said, let's make a USB

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mic.

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And they partnered with, I believe, Apogee.

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So now you've got Apogee pre-easing converters

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in a Sennheiser mic.

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That's gonna be great.

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You know it.

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I mean, I've heard it and it sounds

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great, but it has absolutely no physical controls.

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It has no headphone monitoring.

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It's kind of like the Rode NT1, right?

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It just has USB.

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It's a microphone.

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That's it, right?

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So it's pros and cons there.

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The other thing I tell people is like,

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imagine you're in a session, you're being directed

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and they say, you're a little bit soft.

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Can you give us a little bit more

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gain?

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And you go, yeah, sure, just a second.

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And you're flexing with the mic trying to

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find a gain knob.

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I'm like, how is that gonna come across

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on a Source Connect session?

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You know what I mean?

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Like, oh, your gain knob's on the mic,

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oh, okay.

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Look, a little bit unrelated, but USB mic

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centric is, I live in a really musical

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street.

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I have my neighbor two doors down, who's

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a good mate of mine, a guy called

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Baz.

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He's a classically trained violinist who's actually now

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works as a builder because he couldn't get

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enough work as a violinist.

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And the other guy across the road, a

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guy called Richard, his father is a really

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famous opera singer and Richard now sort of

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writes and sings his own stuff as well.

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In fact, he's got his own Spotify channel.

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But Baz, the violinist down the road, his

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son is a budding audio engineer and he's

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always recording his dad playing the violin when

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Baz is practicing.

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So I took him down my Zoom recorder

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as an interface and gave him my OC

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-16 and the NTG-4 to play around

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with, to record the violin and sort of

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said, look, point the shotgun at directly at

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the violin and then use the large diaphragm

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mic to sort of, you know, muck around

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and record the room in different places and

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see what you can get.

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Yeah, the larger body sound.

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He's had it for about two and a

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half weeks and he brought it back on

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the weekend with the biggest smile on his

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face.

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And I said, how'd you go?

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And he said, oh, I had so much

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fun.

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And so yeah, so it's kind of nice,

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but I can't imagine trying to record a

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violin on a single USB mic somehow.

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It can be done, but you know, any,

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if you don't know what you don't know,

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but a lot of people probably don't know

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that when a violin is recorded in a

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studio or any kind of performance, it's not

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just a close mic.

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That's not what gives you that classical music

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sound is when you close mic an instrument.

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That's gonna give you a pop sound.

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Yeah, that's right.

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But not a classical sound.

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So that's what I was sort of saying

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to him is like, you know, play with

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the blend of the two and see what

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you come up with.

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So I'm yet to hear his recordings.

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I've asked him for them, but he's a

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little bit shy on that side of things,

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but I might have to talk to Baz

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and say, you've heard them, get a copy

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to me.

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Let me have a listen.

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I mean, there's a ton of innovation around

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USB mics.

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I've had this cute little Tula mic, the

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T-U-L-A.

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We've talked about it on the show before

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and it's, you guys can't see it, but

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it's just a little, it's the size of

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a, I mean, it's half the size of

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my hand.

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It's about the size of my palm.

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And it's got a cute little folding stand

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and it has a few tricks up its

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sleeve, like built-in recording and USB simultaneous

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recording.

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It's very cool.

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But in terms of feeling like a studio

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mic and something that you could feel like

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you're working professionally, could you pull it off?

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Yeah.

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Would you feel confident?

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I don't think so.

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Well, just hold it up again.

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I mean, can you imagine being on a

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Zoom call like this in a professional session

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and talking into that?

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I don't think so.

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Yeah, you guys have to look it up.

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T-U-L-A mic is what it's

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called.

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It's very cute and a very well-designed

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thing, but it's just, it's so small and

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tiny and feels sort of kind of hobby

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-like, so yeah.

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And that's the problem, isn't it?

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That's the vibe that people get when you

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pull out a USB mic.

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It's a hobby-like.

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Yeah, hobby or podcaster or something, it's not

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at the echelon of voiceover when you pull

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out a USB mic.

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And there's a very clever stuff going on,

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like RØDE has the RØDE Connect software that

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you can have four different USB mics all

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on the same computer and they all interface

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with each other like you have a RØDECaster,

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but it's all software, which is really clever.

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There's really cool stuff going on, but yeah.

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Austrian Audio have theirs as well, the Micreator.

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The Micreator is a really cool packaging, very

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neat design with a slave mic that you

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can plug in and have a secondary mic

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for stereo pair and yeah, it's a real

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tough argument to say to somebody, if you're

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buying your first mic for your home studio,

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just get a USB mic.

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I would say it to somebody who you

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really don't feel is gonna be taking this

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seriously.

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You know, kind of kicking the tires, taking

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their first classes, you know, no acting background.

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They're just like, I wanna try.

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Okay.

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You know, start simple, start cheap.

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Audacity in a USB mic.

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Anybody that gets really serious.

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Yeah, we leapfrog and go right to a

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studio mic.

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Well, the ultimate USB mic was the Sentrance

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MicPort Pro with the shotgun straight into it.

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The USB mic that isn't, but yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I mean, it was perfect because like we've

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talked about before, the iPhone 15 has a

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USB-C port.

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So you go straight in and like I've

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been using it with Twisted Wave on my

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phone.

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If I'm traveling, now that that's what I

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take, my Port Pro into the iPhone 15

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and capture it on Twisted Wave.

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And you're using the CC8, you said?

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The CC8, which I really, really like the

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sound of it.

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So you don't bring the 416 anymore.

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You take the CC8 and...

315
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No, I don't.

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And the CC8, because the CC8's about probably...

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Smaller.

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Close to half the length, I guess.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, and the CC8 sounds fine.

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It's the ultimate USB mic, really, because you've

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got physical controls over input, blend, output.

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You've got a really good preamp converters.

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You've got a proper headphone monitoring with a

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good headphone amp.

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And away you go.

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Sorry, you go ahead.

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Oh, I was just gonna say, it's just

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interesting that we're sitting here listening to the

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conversation and we're going, oh, USB mic.

331
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You know, no, no, no.

332
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USB interface, oh, that's okay.

333
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I know.

334
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It's like...

335
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Yeah, exactly.

336
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I know, that's the irony.

337
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The circuitry is not gonna be all that

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different.

339
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It's just gonna be condensed into the smallest,

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simplest possible package.

341
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We used to say a USB preamp can't

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be any good because it's only getting USB

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power because there's only 500 milliamps of current.

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So there's a lot of limitations, but circuit

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design has come a heck of a long

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way.

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And yeah, we can do it now.

348
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And now a lot of products have gone

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USB-C, which allows for a higher amount

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of current.

351
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I think it's 900 milliamps or something like

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that.

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So things can run on a lot more

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power and are just gonna sound better.

355
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You get more headphone amplification available to you

356
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when you have more power.

357
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Things don't fall apart, clip too quickly, more

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headroom.

359
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You know, that's another thing is like USB

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mics, they don't have much headroom.

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Like when you push them, they just sort

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of sound like a horrendous crunch.

363
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They just turn ugly.

364
00:11:55,020 --> 00:11:55,180
Yeah.

365
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Yeah.

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Yeah.

367
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It turns really nasty here.

368
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

369
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Yeah.

370
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

371
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But it's funny, I'm looking over here and

372
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I've got the SSL2, which is bus powered.

373
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Yeah.

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But the ID44, I'm assuming the ID24 and

375
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14, the smaller one, I think that's what

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their names are.

377
00:12:16,900 --> 00:12:19,780
Well, I know the 44 is AC powered.

378
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It's a power supply, yeah.

379
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Yeah.

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And I'm pretty sure the other ones do.

381
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Maybe the smaller ones don't.

382
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I'm not sure, 100%.

383
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I think it has as much to do

384
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with the fact that it's four, it's got

385
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four mic preamps, right?

386
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Yeah.

387
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Yeah.

388
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I mean, to really get an adequate amount

389
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of preamplifier power, phantom power, again, headphone amplifier,

390
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the internal mixing, all that stuff, yeah.

391
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You use up that 900 milliamps pretty quickly.

392
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Yeah, pretty quickly.

393
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Yeah.

394
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Yes, indeed.

395
00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,840
Whenever you pick up a USB interface, they're

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so light.

397
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And you kind of look at the, once

398
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again, the Mic Port Pro and look at

399
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the size of that, and it does everything

400
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and probably more than the SSL2.

401
00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:05,900
It does.

402
00:13:05,980 --> 00:13:08,760
And takes up about an eighth of the

403
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real estate.

404
00:13:09,460 --> 00:13:10,720
The miniaturization is amazing.

405
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And as I touched on earlier, the Passport

406
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VO, by the way, because I saw the

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circuit boards, at least one picture of one

408
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of the boards, front and back, of what's

409
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inside.

410
00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,680
And that's one of, I believe Michael said,

411
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the four boards that go into the unit.

412
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I could be wrong on that.

413
00:13:26,680 --> 00:13:30,100
It is incredible, the packaging, to fit all

414
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the componentry.

415
00:13:31,060 --> 00:13:33,860
Because I can't wait to get this in

416
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the hands of guys like Julian Krause and

417
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others who love to take things apart and

418
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look at what's going on and really see.

419
00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,580
I know it sounds good, it is good,

420
00:13:44,660 --> 00:13:44,820
right?

421
00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:46,960
But when you really see the work that

422
00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,400
goes into the circuit design and the componentry,

423
00:13:50,220 --> 00:13:53,500
you start to understand why this thing is

424
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gonna sound the way it sounds, what it

425
00:13:54,940 --> 00:13:56,760
does, and why it costs what it costs

426
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compared to the other things out there.

427
00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,260
Well, there's not a spare inch on the

428
00:14:01,260 --> 00:14:01,700
board, is there?

429
00:14:02,340 --> 00:14:04,500
The question that comes from me for that

430
00:14:04,500 --> 00:14:07,500
though, right, is we're talking about the limitations

431
00:14:07,500 --> 00:14:10,180
of USB mics as this sort of overview

432
00:14:10,180 --> 00:14:10,840
of this session.

433
00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:12,640
But now we're sort of talking, we're getting

434
00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:14,120
to the point where we're just, we're talking

435
00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,000
about USB-C, more power.

436
00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,560
We're now talking about, you know, cramming circuit

437
00:14:18,560 --> 00:14:19,860
boards full of stuff.

438
00:14:20,140 --> 00:14:22,540
So that then begs the question, looking forward,

439
00:14:23,180 --> 00:14:25,140
do we see a day when USB mics

440
00:14:25,140 --> 00:14:28,180
will become almost the norm because they will

441
00:14:28,180 --> 00:14:31,220
have the same capabilities as having a microphone,

442
00:14:31,380 --> 00:14:34,160
XLR microphone plugged into an amplifier or a

443
00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:34,560
preamp?

444
00:14:34,820 --> 00:14:38,880
Well, if you look at the size of

445
00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:42,200
the OC-18 or 818 or 16, whichever

446
00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,180
one, you can see that the possibility of

447
00:14:45,180 --> 00:14:48,140
actually extending the bottom half of the microphone,

448
00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,340
so below the cage, there's a ton of

449
00:14:51,340 --> 00:14:52,660
real estate there to fill it up with

450
00:14:52,660 --> 00:14:55,180
all kinds of knobs and bits and pieces.

451
00:14:55,760 --> 00:15:01,020
So, and you get a beautiful capsule, great

452
00:15:01,020 --> 00:15:02,580
circuitry and it's USB.

453
00:15:03,020 --> 00:15:06,480
I don't know, I'm not an expert in

454
00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,040
boards and all that sort of stuff, but

455
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I can imagine that surely we've got to

456
00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:12,840
get to a point where the technology is

457
00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:14,520
going to allow all this stuff that we're

458
00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,080
saying is a limitation is going to allow

459
00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:18,020
it to happen, surely.

460
00:15:18,780 --> 00:15:20,180
Well, the technology is there, isn't it?

461
00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:21,840
I mean, we've just talked about it with

462
00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,440
the miniaturization of the stuff that Michael does

463
00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:24,960
at Centrance.

464
00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,580
I mean, the size of the Mic Port

465
00:15:27,580 --> 00:15:29,740
Pro is the size of the bottom of,

466
00:15:30,220 --> 00:15:32,080
well, it's not quite the size of the

467
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bottom of the OC-818, but it's not

468
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that much bigger, really.

469
00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,700
Yeah, I mean, what Rode's doing that clever

470
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is that each mic appears as a different

471
00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,220
unique mic with its own model number, or

472
00:15:45,220 --> 00:15:46,640
I guess number.

473
00:15:46,980 --> 00:15:49,500
So like, if you plug in two USB

474
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interfaces that have the same name and model

475
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and everything, now you're like, okay, which is

476
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which?

477
00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:56,480
How do I get the both of these

478
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to communicate to one DAW?

479
00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:00,860
DAWs are designed to really see one set

480
00:16:00,860 --> 00:16:04,280
of digital inputs or one USB input, and

481
00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:05,920
that might be a multi-channel input.

482
00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:07,820
It might be a USB interface with eight

483
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inputs or 16 or whatever, but once you

484
00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:15,460
have literally separate AD converters all with their

485
00:16:15,460 --> 00:16:17,660
own connectors, they all have to talk to

486
00:16:17,660 --> 00:16:18,580
the same clock.

487
00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:20,080
They have to be in sync with each

488
00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:20,380
other.

489
00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,220
That is definitely still a lot more difficult,

490
00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:25,600
and frankly, most people don't have a computer

491
00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,040
that are gonna accommodate more than four or

492
00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:29,400
five USB ports either.

493
00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,700
So there's the analog way of doing things

494
00:16:33,700 --> 00:16:35,420
with multiple mics into a board.

495
00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,080
Even if on the inside of the board,

496
00:16:38,140 --> 00:16:41,560
it's totally digital, which is way more common

497
00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:43,820
now, it's a whole different animal.

498
00:16:44,260 --> 00:16:46,340
So yeah, I think we're gonna be doing

499
00:16:46,340 --> 00:16:50,220
things the traditional XLR way for a long

500
00:16:50,220 --> 00:16:51,020
time.

501
00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:52,220
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree.

502
00:16:52,300 --> 00:16:54,300
Funny hearing you talking about USB ports though,

503
00:16:54,380 --> 00:16:56,220
because I think we spoke about it earlier

504
00:16:56,220 --> 00:16:56,660
in the year.

505
00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,840
Beginning of the year, I went M1 Mac

506
00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,960
Studio, which I'm loving, by the way.

507
00:17:03,339 --> 00:17:05,839
But the interesting thing is, I had some

508
00:17:05,839 --> 00:17:07,560
trouble with my iLock the other day, and

509
00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:08,900
I thought my iLock had died, but it

510
00:17:08,900 --> 00:17:10,560
was actually the USB hub that I had

511
00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:10,780
it on.

512
00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,819
But I was looking at the back of

513
00:17:13,819 --> 00:17:17,839
my Mac going, all these pristine, beautiful USB

514
00:17:17,839 --> 00:17:21,260
-C ports, but it's converter, converter, converter.

515
00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,420
Oh, that one's USB-C, converter is still

516
00:17:24,420 --> 00:17:26,339
living in the past.

517
00:17:26,339 --> 00:17:28,120
That is the one thing I'm missing out

518
00:17:28,120 --> 00:17:29,980
on with my Mini is really just the

519
00:17:29,980 --> 00:17:30,320
ports.

520
00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,560
I only get two C and two A

521
00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:34,040
ports.

522
00:17:34,220 --> 00:17:37,920
So that all feeds to a Thunderbolt dock

523
00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,480
with a million cables coming out of it.

524
00:17:40,500 --> 00:17:41,440
I mean, it is a mess.

525
00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,080
I'm looking at it right here underneath the

526
00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:43,280
shelf.

527
00:17:43,980 --> 00:17:45,960
It's a real mess, and it would be

528
00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:47,980
a little bit cleaner with the studio with

529
00:17:47,980 --> 00:17:49,140
a lot more jacks on the back.

530
00:17:49,140 --> 00:17:49,780
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

531
00:17:50,380 --> 00:17:52,280
But I gotta tell you, I don't know

532
00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,580
if you've ever had that moment, because it's

533
00:17:54,580 --> 00:17:56,220
the first time I've ever had it, but

534
00:17:56,220 --> 00:17:58,500
I do have zero downtime, so I was

535
00:17:58,500 --> 00:17:59,640
kind of happy about that.

536
00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,680
But that moment when you go, oh, fuck,

537
00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:04,120
my iLock's not working.

538
00:18:04,740 --> 00:18:08,020
That heart in your chest, just your throat

539
00:18:08,020 --> 00:18:11,220
sort of feeling of, I can't work, I

540
00:18:11,220 --> 00:18:11,880
can't do anything.

541
00:18:12,460 --> 00:18:15,240
You literally, like your income, you live and

542
00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:15,860
die by that.

543
00:18:15,860 --> 00:18:18,000
Yeah, it's all hanging on that one little

544
00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:19,980
USB thing that just sits there.

545
00:18:19,980 --> 00:18:21,860
For me, it's like, I gotta launch Source

546
00:18:21,860 --> 00:18:22,060
Connect.

547
00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:23,320
Is the iLock still working?

548
00:18:23,500 --> 00:18:24,280
Oh, yeah, it is, okay.

549
00:18:24,460 --> 00:18:25,460
Yeah, exactly, I know.

550
00:18:25,500 --> 00:18:26,900
It's the only time it fires up.

551
00:18:27,340 --> 00:18:28,760
And same thing happened to me, too.

552
00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:30,180
I had it plugged into a USB hub

553
00:18:30,180 --> 00:18:32,800
that just died one day, and I didn't

554
00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,260
notice until I launched Source Connect and it

555
00:18:35,260 --> 00:18:35,880
needed to use the iLock.

556
00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:36,940
And you're going, no authorization.

557
00:18:37,180 --> 00:18:38,620
You're going, what do you mean, no authorization?

558
00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:39,620
It was stupid.

559
00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,000
Yeah, but okay, now I'm obviously a bit

560
00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:44,820
slow on this one, but I've got the

561
00:18:44,820 --> 00:18:46,000
two Source Connects.

562
00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:47,400
I've got one on the Mac mini, which

563
00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,000
has the iLock plugged in, but I'm also

564
00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:51,600
using this one right now on the laptop

565
00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:52,000
without an iLock plugged in.

566
00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:53,920
Because it's authorized to your computer and not

567
00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:54,600
to the iLock.

568
00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:56,440
You can authorize to your computer or you

569
00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:57,420
can authorize to the iLock.

570
00:18:57,420 --> 00:18:59,400
So you've got one authorized to your computer

571
00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:00,000
and the other one.

572
00:19:00,060 --> 00:19:01,620
Well, the other one could be authorized to

573
00:19:01,620 --> 00:19:03,280
that computer, too, or it could just be

574
00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:04,680
on your iLock so you can take it

575
00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:05,020
with you.

576
00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:05,620
Yeah.

577
00:19:05,900 --> 00:19:06,460
Either or.

578
00:19:07,260 --> 00:19:08,880
Well, USB's not going anywhere.

579
00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,040
Thunderbolt is here to stay as well, but

580
00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,980
it's just relegated to much more expensive devices.

581
00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,700
So there might be someday a Thunderbolt microphone.

582
00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,460
I don't know, but what does Thunderbolt do?

583
00:19:21,500 --> 00:19:23,620
It basically looks like USB, except it just

584
00:19:23,620 --> 00:19:25,300
carries tons more data.

585
00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:27,520
Much, much more data.

586
00:19:27,740 --> 00:19:31,260
Like, I think USB-C 3.1, whatever

587
00:19:31,260 --> 00:19:33,680
the hell standard, I think carries like five

588
00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,340
gigabits of data a second, which is fast.

589
00:19:36,620 --> 00:19:37,140
That's a lot.

590
00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:38,140
It's huge, isn't it?

591
00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,280
But Thunderbolt 4, I think, can do 40

592
00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:41,700
gigabytes a second.

593
00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,600
So that's the realm of video and video

594
00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:44,980
people.

595
00:19:45,380 --> 00:19:46,980
The only thing out there that I use

596
00:19:46,980 --> 00:19:49,620
with any frequency are the Apollos, which uses

597
00:19:49,620 --> 00:19:50,060
Thunderbolt.

598
00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,880
The reason why Thunderbolt is so important for

599
00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,540
Apollos is the speed of the bus.

600
00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,800
It's not just how much data can it

601
00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,760
squeeze, but it's how fast the computer can

602
00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:02,740
talk to the Apollo, and the Apollo can

603
00:20:02,740 --> 00:20:03,560
talk to the computer.

604
00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,520
The Thunderbolt port is the same equivalent speed

605
00:20:07,980 --> 00:20:11,240
as a PC card, PCI card, in the

606
00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:11,660
computer.

607
00:20:12,020 --> 00:20:12,400
Yeah, wow.

608
00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,160
It's the same speed communication, something like that.

609
00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:18,320
So that's why Thunderbolt is so unique, and

610
00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,360
a lot of people think they need it.

611
00:20:20,420 --> 00:20:21,860
They're like, I need a Thunderbolt dock.

612
00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:23,220
You probably don't.

613
00:20:23,220 --> 00:20:27,100
If you're not doing very big video projects

614
00:20:27,100 --> 00:20:29,900
with tons of channels, you probably don't need

615
00:20:29,900 --> 00:20:30,000
it.

616
00:20:30,020 --> 00:20:32,980
But it's such a commonly confused protocol.

617
00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:34,640
Like I had a client who just got

618
00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:35,040
a dock.

619
00:20:35,100 --> 00:20:37,240
He assumed it must be Thunderbolt, since that

620
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,260
same company makes Thunderbolt docks.

621
00:20:39,900 --> 00:20:42,060
Nothing that Thunderbolt would work with it.

622
00:20:42,100 --> 00:20:43,140
And I said, do you have a Thunderbolt

623
00:20:43,140 --> 00:20:45,280
symbol next to the jack?

624
00:20:45,380 --> 00:20:47,300
Does it literally have a little lightning icon

625
00:20:47,300 --> 00:20:48,480
on the plug?

626
00:20:48,580 --> 00:20:49,560
No, it doesn't.

627
00:20:49,580 --> 00:20:50,420
It's not Thunderbolt.

628
00:20:51,100 --> 00:20:53,600
It's funny hearing you say that, people who

629
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,040
want stuff that they don't need.

630
00:20:55,340 --> 00:20:59,380
I've noticed recently on Facebook marketplace and eBay

631
00:20:59,380 --> 00:21:01,400
and stuff, here in Australia, I don't know

632
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,440
about over there, but all of a sudden

633
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,680
there's been this splurge of Mac pros, like

634
00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:11,560
the cheese grater, the big, like specked out

635
00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:12,600
to the max.

636
00:21:12,980 --> 00:21:15,020
And I'm kind of thinking, okay, so it's

637
00:21:15,020 --> 00:21:20,940
either they're unreliable, which I highly doubt, or

638
00:21:20,940 --> 00:21:23,720
these people have gone, why did I pay

639
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:24,520
all this money for that?

640
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:25,720
I don't need this.

641
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,360
I could just grab a Mac studio and

642
00:21:27,360 --> 00:21:27,660
it'll do.

643
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:29,280
I'm sure there's plenty of people that do

644
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:29,660
need it.

645
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:30,220
Let's be honest.

646
00:21:30,360 --> 00:21:31,480
Feature films, blah, blah, blah.

647
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,120
But I can imagine all these cashed up

648
00:21:35,120 --> 00:21:39,800
voiceover artists, let's just say cashed up voiceover

649
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:41,500
artists who've gone, oh, I might buy one

650
00:21:41,500 --> 00:21:41,820
of those.

651
00:21:41,900 --> 00:21:43,660
And then they've gone, I really don't need

652
00:21:43,660 --> 00:21:43,960
this.

653
00:21:44,660 --> 00:21:46,140
Yeah, I haven't run into it yet.

654
00:21:46,140 --> 00:21:48,540
I have not been to a studio or

655
00:21:48,540 --> 00:21:50,840
talked to a client who's running a new

656
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,580
Mac pro, certainly studios.

657
00:21:54,220 --> 00:21:56,280
Most people are on Mac minis and stuff,

658
00:21:56,580 --> 00:21:59,160
but a bunch of people are on studios

659
00:21:59,160 --> 00:21:59,460
too.

660
00:21:59,980 --> 00:22:01,400
How long have you had your studio?

661
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:03,800
Beginning of the year, I got it, yeah.

662
00:22:04,180 --> 00:22:05,540
Do you ever hear the fan on it?

663
00:22:05,620 --> 00:22:06,560
No, never.

664
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:07,640
It's pretty quiet.

665
00:22:07,980 --> 00:22:08,400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

666
00:22:08,620 --> 00:22:12,380
I've got the old Mac pro sitting down

667
00:22:12,380 --> 00:22:13,660
to the desk, which is sort of a

668
00:22:13,660 --> 00:22:15,720
server, which sort of just holds my final

669
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,120
mixes and backups and stuff.

670
00:22:17,780 --> 00:22:20,480
But yeah, so that fan occasionally, but no,

671
00:22:21,220 --> 00:22:21,720
never.

672
00:22:22,380 --> 00:22:25,540
And I'm running, I used After Effects for

673
00:22:25,540 --> 00:22:28,060
our video stuff and Premiere.

674
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,800
I mean, nothing heavy in Premiere, but After

675
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,580
Effects is pretty memory hungry.

676
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,020
Choose through it fast, right?

677
00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:38,480
But it flies, it's just so fast.

678
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,400
I don't need anything else.

679
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:41,120
Yeah, exactly.

680
00:22:41,460 --> 00:22:42,400
Yeah, you're good.

681
00:22:42,740 --> 00:22:43,300
Well, there you go.

682
00:22:43,300 --> 00:22:46,360
USB or what can we say?

683
00:22:46,460 --> 00:22:47,260
USB, not for me.

684
00:22:47,260 --> 00:22:48,540
To be USB or not to be USB?

685
00:22:48,540 --> 00:22:50,100
To be USB or not to USB, that

686
00:22:50,100 --> 00:22:51,600
is the question.

687
00:22:52,460 --> 00:22:53,000
USB, not for me.

688
00:22:53,120 --> 00:22:55,120
No, I'm on George's side.

689
00:22:55,340 --> 00:22:56,440
Still not yet, sorry.

690
00:22:57,900 --> 00:22:58,580
Me neither.

691
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:00,460
Well, that was fun.

692
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:00,920
Is it over?

693
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:03,740
The Pro Audio Suite.

694
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,000
With thanks to Tribus.

695
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:06,400
And Austrian Audio.

696
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,140
Recorded using Source Connect.

697
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,080
Edited by Andrew Peters.

698
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,260
And mixed by Voodoo Radio Imaging.

699
00:23:12,260 --> 00:23:14,540
With tech support from George the Tech Whittam.

700
00:23:14,620 --> 00:23:16,600
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701
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702
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703
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