Tri-Booth Myths Debunked – What You Really Need to Know

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Don't forget the tribes MMO.

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It's all new and it's not a small
so it's good for traveling.

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Speaking of which, tribe is there?

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I see lots of people talking about changes
to making comments that I know

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are unfounded, but I think we should do
a bit of myth busting.

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I was actually in a room
the other day or a page,

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and there was a post there
from someone that said something like,

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and I'm paraphrasing,
but it was something like,

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why would I buy a tribe boost when I can
make my own for, you know, X dollars?

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And it's like, I think
there's a bit more to it than that.

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It's just sort of. Like, yeah.

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It's it's funny.

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People just look at the

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look at a few pipes in some
and some blankets and go, well, you know.

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Why I should actually preface this
by saying that when I first

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saw the tribe boost, I thought,
I'm gonna have a go at making one.

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Of course, I was privy to that and.

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It was expensive.

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It cost me a lot more than I thought
it was going to cost, and it didn't work.

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And it was just massive and horrid.

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So come on, George,
give us all the company secrets,

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because we all want to make our own now.

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Yeah, well,

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I mean, you know, most charlatans
mainly designed products start that way.

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I can make crappy or cheaper version
of that and sell it for four times.

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You know, that's like,
I just made that my men that were putting.

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I like I. Thought you as being very smart.

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Artisanal and Charlotte from Charlotte
dismally design manual.

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But yeah, that's what a lot of products
start that way,

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you know, they're just like,
oh, shit, I can make that.

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And they make it, and I'm
going to make it as cheap as possible.

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But the number one goal being a profit
making adventure.

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Period. Full stop.
Of course we're running.

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We I should say Rick Bosman. I'm.

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No, I'm in no way
part of the operations of a business.

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It's fully. Rick.

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But the point of the company
is to make money

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and subside and and exist and persist.

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And it has been able to do that
because of what is charged per unit

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ad that not been built in
at the price point that it is,

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we would have slowly bled ourselves dry
because actually what's happened,

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we haven't raised the price of the tribus

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original right, since it was launched
almost six years ago,

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and the cost of everything has gone up.

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Materials and labor, both.

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So the product makes far less profit
than it did 4 or 5 years ago,

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which is the exact opposite of what
a company wants to have happen.

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Right?

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It's like when you're here,
would you make a product to sell?

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You try to lower costs over time,
not have them increase.

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We've had the reverse happen
and we do promotions.

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We meaning Rick,
I keep saying we I'm I'm a partner

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in terms of its design,
but really it is 100% Rick's operation.

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And the promotions
happen at every holiday.

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And there's discount codes on our show
and the promote.

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And so many of them are sold on promotion
so that the margin is even tinier.

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So I get a little piece of the action

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because I'm building filters
for each person who purchases one.

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So all that being said,
that's the reason it costs what it costs.

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And also the very best of every possible

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material is used in its design
and construction.

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Right?

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So we're not using off the shelf
plumber's grade PVC.

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We're using furniture grade PVC
that's a lot more expensive.

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And it's a thinner wall
so that it's much lighter per foot.

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The sound blankets we're using,
we have changed

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and improved them
several times in its lifespan.

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And now for the last three years,
that blankets are a

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very high and heavy grade material.

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That is something you have to nuance
if you want a product to still ship

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and go on a plane and be under a 22 K

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23 kg, is that the you're
is that the worst?

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Yeah.

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I think it's 45 pounds or something.

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That's 50 pounds in the US.

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Yeah 50 pounds I think it's fine.

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It has.

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It has to.

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Everything has to be considered
to an intense degree

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when you have those restrictions.

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So you have size restriction,
you have weight restriction

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and you have it's got to be good.

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It can't just look good.

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It also has to performance
hundred. It has to do it.

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So if you take all those things
into consideration

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and you DIY,
you will have an extremely difficult time

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replicating all of those factors yourself.

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Trust me.

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I've heard it.

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I've heard many people mention
making one of their own,

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and everybody make something
that's first of all, square.

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Okay, now a square bad.

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No, not necessarily
for a blanket for squares.

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Okay.

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But how are you going to pack it into one
standard size

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travel suitcase guarantee
not it's not going to work.

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And how do we know?

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Because that's where we started.

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We started

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with a conventional square shape,
and we realized we couldn't pack that

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into a suitcase.

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And we had to figure out
how to make it smaller.

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And that's when the triangle floor plan
came out.

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Now, of course,

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you could probably also cobble together
a triangle floor plan on your own.

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There's different ways to do it.

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But it's still not going to break down
and be as easy to transport

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and have the least number of parts
possible to still give you those results.

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So that's my little like answer to the
I could make it myself.

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Don't don't even factor in the labor time.

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Like I don't know your hourly rate
is that you bill for your skills?

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Whatever those skills are, I can guarantee
it's too expensive to build a trip.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And be with all the issues
that you guys have already dealt with too.

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That's the other thing.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So this is these are the reasons
it costs what it costs.

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Am I dreaming

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or did we talk about some of the design
aspects in terms of,

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acoustics actually inside the trade
booth, like

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the blankets not touching the floor
and stuff like that.

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Was that purely a weight consideration,

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or do I remember
you saying something about,

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the sort of higher frequencies and the how
it helped that having some air coming?

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No, it didn't really come down
to frequencies.

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It really came down very much to
a practical application of the material.

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It just didn't need to touch the floor.

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Was it was that perhaps that was that.
What it was?

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What.

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Well, so we had to decide again, weight
and size, two restrictions.

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We had to decide.

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Is it more important to have the blankets

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go from the roof height to the floor?

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Be one single thickness of blanket
from top to bottom,

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or was it better to have the blankets
overlap themselves at double

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the thickness of blanket at the top
one third of the.

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Booth, which is where the microphone and.

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Sacrifice space at the bottom
and have the bottom be open.

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That's what it was.

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So we of course tested those things too.

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And what we found out
was you got better performance

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when you doubled up the blanket
layer up by the microphone

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where the microphone actually
is as well as on the roof.

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So after we doubled the sides up
and got the double layer

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wrapping all the way around you,
we still had a single layer on the roof.

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Well, in the room we were testing it in.

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Rick had this room in his house
that was very barren.

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It was actually
a really good use case of this space

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because it had hardwood floor
and it was very had minimal furnishings.

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So it was like a weird bonus room
off the side of the garage or something.

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And it was a great place to test
because we were testing it

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and still realizing
there was too much liveliness.

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You're still getting too much river.

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And I thought, well, okay,
we have a double layer on the sides.

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What if we were to figure out,

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what if we just double up the roof
and just put another layer over the top?

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And that made a significant difference.

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It was like, wow, okay, that really works.

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So then what
increased the cost of fabrication

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quite a bit was
how do you make a triangle piece

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for the roof
that looks neat and fits nicely?

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Then I have another triangle piece
that fits inside that piece.

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And so in doesn't
hang down and doesn't fall apart.

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That was actually really difficult.

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That was the number one
most difficult thing to build

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correctly was the triangle roof.

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And for many years Rick's wife

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sewed these herself on.

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Not professional grade sewing machines,
mind you.

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Just, you know, like a serious
amateur would use.

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Not industrial grade. Right.

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And she would sell these herself
and we would have other people

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try to make them, you know, we had several
different vendors or local fabricators,

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assembly people seem, I don't know
if they call them seamstresses anymore.

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That's an old school term.

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But we had different
people try to make them,

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and they were not doing it up to snuff.

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And Rick's like,
no, this isn't good enough.

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My wife Tamara is going to have
to keep making these.

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And she,
she and she did for the first four years.

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And now that they
have relocated to Oregon,

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where cost of labor is

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cheaper,
you know, everything's less expensive,

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you're going to find a lovely husband
and wife couple who are now

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handle assembling the boots for, tribals.

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Okay.

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So, gentlemen, I believe,
is doing the fabrication of the frames,

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and his wife is doing the sewing,

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so they are still handmade in Oregon,
you know,

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and and so then you would say, well,
why don't you make them in China, right?

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Of course. That's
where everything cheap is made.

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It becomes a scaling issue. Right.

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So we want to get this thing to compete
with the other things on Amazon.

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We can't make ten at a time.

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We'd have to make a thousand at a time,
you know.

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Well,
you guys know we've all been through it

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now with the with the
with the passport video and what it cost

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to make small numbers
of hand-built product,

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no matter where they're made,
whether it's made in China or in the U.S.

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or Canada, it doesn't matter.

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We're Australia, it's a matter of scale.

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And so, yeah, these are made in small
batches because, again, Rick very wisely

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decided he wasn't going to take out
some massive loan

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as a startup for the company
or become beholden

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to a VC, a venture capitalist
or some other thing.

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He bootstrapped this on his own dime
and built it organically.

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And so that's the other reason
why it is a small run

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and still kind of expensive product.

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You know, that's what happens
if this thing was made by the ten,

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by the thousand in China,

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we wouldn't have control over how well
it's made and how well it's so together.

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And the actual materials
the blankets are made out of,

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they could any time
switch them out to something cheaper.

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And then all of a sudden the next thousand
smells like a chemical factory

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because they used a crappy
or smelly zigzag.

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Like.

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Blanket, like do research
for sound blankets on, you know, moving

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blankets on online and type in the words
smell or stinks or smelly.

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And you'll see that so many products
smell really terrible.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I don't know how many things
you order from Amazon or online,

240
00:49:27,714 --> 00:49:32,803
but sometimes you open the package and
the smell is bizarrely chemically laden.

241
00:49:32,803 --> 00:49:37,224
I just got these, lighting diffuser
panels for lights for a studio I'm doing.

242
00:49:37,933 --> 00:49:40,769
And I opened the package
and it was that weird,

243
00:49:40,769 --> 00:49:44,815
familiar chemical, floral, carb, any.

244
00:49:44,982 --> 00:49:45,732
Funky.

245
00:49:45,732 --> 00:49:48,819
Chemical smell when I opened the package,
you know, and I was like, yeah.

246
00:49:49,736 --> 00:49:51,154
And hopefully they're not going to notice

247
00:49:51,154 --> 00:49:54,741
because you know these things are confined
spaces for voiceover.

248
00:49:55,033 --> 00:49:58,870
You're in a very small space
and you're breathing heavily.

249
00:49:59,121 --> 00:50:01,123
All right. It's all part of voiceover.

250
00:50:01,123 --> 00:50:02,249
The last thing you want to be

251
00:50:02,249 --> 00:50:05,961
is like ensconced in talks
about distractions and smelling.

252
00:50:06,044 --> 00:50:08,338
So that's another consideration right.

253
00:50:08,338 --> 00:50:09,256
It's very important to us.

254
00:50:09,256 --> 00:50:14,011
So that's there's just so much
we thought about and obsessed over

255
00:50:14,261 --> 00:50:17,973
to get to the design that it is.

256
00:50:17,973 --> 00:50:21,560
And just and just scaling it up
is incredibly difficult

257
00:50:21,935 --> 00:50:23,979
and still maintain the.

258
00:50:23,979 --> 00:50:24,771
The clothes.

259
00:50:24,771 --> 00:50:27,607
The thing I like
about the fact of the triangle,

260
00:50:27,607 --> 00:50:31,695
is that when you're traveling
and you're in a hotel room or something

261
00:50:31,695 --> 00:50:35,449
that's not overly sizable,
and you don't have the luxury

262
00:50:35,449 --> 00:50:39,161
of having a spare room to set it up
in, it fits nicely in a corner.

263
00:50:39,161 --> 00:50:39,828
Yeah, yeah.

264
00:50:39,828 --> 00:50:43,582
That would mean it was said
that the corner, the corner ability of it

265
00:50:43,582 --> 00:50:45,876
and taking less space
is certainly a big part of,

266
00:50:47,044 --> 00:50:49,379
the practical side of it being a triangle.

267
00:50:49,379 --> 00:50:52,758
But the actual acoustical benefits of it
being a triangle

268
00:50:53,175 --> 00:50:56,178
isn't something
that we've really been able to quantify.

269
00:50:56,178 --> 00:50:57,512
Right, if you know what I mean.

270
00:50:57,512 --> 00:51:01,850
We haven't been able to go, like, well,
if it was a rectangle of the same exact

271
00:51:01,850 --> 00:51:06,938
material in this size, how would it sound
in comparison to this triangle format?

272
00:51:06,980 --> 00:51:12,069
But the bottom line is, you know, it's
not a soundproof box, it's not a chamber.

273
00:51:12,402 --> 00:51:13,820
It's it's a filter.

274
00:51:13,820 --> 00:51:17,657
The sound passes through the materials,
it goes out into the space,

275
00:51:18,116 --> 00:51:21,161
reverberates around
and then whatever remains

276
00:51:21,161 --> 00:51:24,164
comes back and filters
through the blankets again.

277
00:51:24,331 --> 00:51:28,251
So you're getting like a lot of bang
for your buck out of that material,

278
00:51:28,251 --> 00:51:30,796
because it's not just hitting a

279
00:51:30,796 --> 00:51:33,799
thin fabric and
and hitting a wall and bouncing off.

280
00:51:34,466 --> 00:51:37,469
It's passing through, dissipating,
and then closing back.

281
00:51:37,677 --> 00:51:39,471
So that that opens up a whole.

282
00:51:39,471 --> 00:51:41,556
Another question
then George going back to our episode

283
00:51:41,556 --> 00:51:43,266
a couple of weeks
ago, what's the noise? Floor.

284
00:51:45,018 --> 00:51:48,021
Yeah, right.

285
00:51:48,313 --> 00:51:49,606
It's a thing we stand on.

286
00:51:49,606 --> 00:51:50,607
Yeah, exactly.

287
00:51:50,607 --> 00:51:51,691
Yeah, yeah.

288
00:51:51,691 --> 00:51:55,028
It's it's weird,
but I, it's funny with the, the

289
00:51:55,112 --> 00:51:58,657
you talk about the filter,
I used it 1 in 1 hotel room.

290
00:51:58,657 --> 00:52:03,078
I was in Sydney, and,
I only had one place I could put it,

291
00:52:03,787 --> 00:52:06,832
and it was a weird room, and
I think I've mentioned this before, but,

292
00:52:06,832 --> 00:52:11,211
my bedroom actually had a glass wall
and a glass door.

293
00:52:11,294 --> 00:52:12,629
Yeah.

294
00:52:12,629 --> 00:52:15,340
And so in the sitting area, that's

295
00:52:15,340 --> 00:52:17,092
where I had to set it up,
but I had to set it up.

296
00:52:17,092 --> 00:52:20,637
So one side was actually
the triangle was against the glass.

297
00:52:20,804 --> 00:52:21,763
Okay.

298
00:52:21,763 --> 00:52:24,766
So one bit against glass
to get against the walls.

299
00:52:24,766 --> 00:52:26,726
Yeah. That must have affected
the sound a little bit.

300
00:52:26,726 --> 00:52:29,813
And that was well,
it did, but not dramatically.

301
00:52:29,813 --> 00:52:32,190
I couldn't hear it.
But that doesn't mean much.

302
00:52:32,190 --> 00:52:33,984
But I certainly know one complaint.

303
00:52:33,984 --> 00:52:35,318
It said, that's good.

304
00:52:35,318 --> 00:52:38,655
You're not going to get a reverb issue
as much as you may get a resonance issue.

305
00:52:38,655 --> 00:52:43,201
So now when the when 1 or 2 of the sides
are very close to a wall,

306
00:52:43,869 --> 00:52:49,082
you're going to get more likely
some kind of resonating issue, because now

307
00:52:49,082 --> 00:52:53,545
the sound's going through the blanket
and hitting a surface and reflecting back.

308
00:52:53,753 --> 00:52:57,215
And so then you might get something
we would call comb filtering.

309
00:52:57,757 --> 00:53:01,386
You may get a little bit of a mid range
something or other

310
00:53:01,386 --> 00:53:02,596
that happens as a result.

311
00:53:03,555 --> 00:53:06,558
And so you know, in an ideal world

312
00:53:06,850 --> 00:53:11,646
the booth would really not be very close
to any one wall, maybe one wall.

313
00:53:11,646 --> 00:53:13,023
But not really a corner.

314
00:53:13,023 --> 00:53:16,693
So the irony is it makes sense
to put in a corner, but you would

315
00:53:17,110 --> 00:53:20,113
theoretically the best possible sound
you would get

316
00:53:20,238 --> 00:53:23,575
is when it's not in a corner
like more in the middle of the room.

317
00:53:23,575 --> 00:53:26,244
Right.
So that's not always practical, you know.

318
00:53:26,244 --> 00:53:28,788
But these are
the things that affect sound.

319
00:53:28,788 --> 00:53:31,499
And so we want to take
all those things into account.

320
00:53:31,499 --> 00:53:33,501
So when people ask where do I put it

321
00:53:33,501 --> 00:53:36,421
so well corner is the obvious choice
if that's all you got.

322
00:53:36,421 --> 00:53:39,424
But if you can put it somewhere else,
that's great too.

323
00:53:39,549 --> 00:53:43,136
Another thing we found was that simply
throwing a blanket on the floor

324
00:53:43,511 --> 00:53:46,514
can give you the last five, 10%,

325
00:53:46,514 --> 00:53:49,476
absorption that you might need.

326
00:53:49,476 --> 00:53:52,187
So if it's a really
spartan room, all hardwood,

327
00:53:53,146 --> 00:53:53,480
you know,

328
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,691
very Spartan or, God forbid, tile
while you're.

329
00:53:56,691 --> 00:53:59,444
In Fiji or something like that.
Yeah, exactly.

330
00:53:59,444 --> 00:54:01,905
Spain, South America, anywhere they love
tile.

331
00:54:01,905 --> 00:54:06,034
Tile is so reflective,
so that's where you get the most trouble.

332
00:54:06,034 --> 00:54:09,829
So then taking a blanket or comforter
and putting it underneath the boot,

333
00:54:09,955 --> 00:54:12,874
so you're standing on this large
absorbing thing

334
00:54:12,874 --> 00:54:16,670
can give you the last 10% of absorption
that you need.

335
00:54:17,128 --> 00:54:21,049
I've also had people throw
another blanket over the entire tribal.

336
00:54:21,049 --> 00:54:22,217
This roof.

337
00:54:22,217 --> 00:54:23,468
I think that can help too,

338
00:54:23,468 --> 00:54:25,428
but I have found that
it was still more effective.

339
00:54:25,428 --> 00:54:29,808
Just put one on the floor and it's easier
to it's and it's easier than trying

340
00:54:29,808 --> 00:54:33,520
to put one over the whole tribe
because that's a lot of weight.

341
00:54:33,645 --> 00:54:37,607
And you know, all that extra weight
on this frame, it can be you can damage it

342
00:54:37,607 --> 00:54:39,859
when you try to take it apart.
You have to be careful.

343
00:54:39,859 --> 00:54:42,737
You know, the other option that on that
just occurred to me that you should put in

344
00:54:42,737 --> 00:54:43,655
this thing is

345
00:54:43,655 --> 00:54:48,493
you could have an optional add on, have a
of a room service tray holder, you know.

346
00:54:48,493 --> 00:54:52,289
So while you while you're recording you
can have your, your lunch or your dinner

347
00:54:52,289 --> 00:54:54,457
or your breakfast there in front of you
while you're munching away.

348
00:54:54,457 --> 00:54:56,376
I mean, you're on
holidays after all. Come on.

349
00:54:57,585 --> 00:54:59,004
I know, yeah, I know, there's

350
00:54:59,004 --> 00:55:03,800
so many cool accessories that we would
that we could put in that package.

351
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:04,426
You know, that's.

352
00:55:04,426 --> 00:55:07,345
Also the other advantage
of buying the tri boot is

353
00:55:07,345 --> 00:55:10,348
it comes with the does
it not comes with your iPad holder.

354
00:55:10,348 --> 00:55:13,351
It comes with your mic
stand comes with the light

355
00:55:13,518 --> 00:55:16,938
and all that stuff, stuff that
you would never have if you made your own.

356
00:55:17,105 --> 00:55:17,647
Exactly.

357
00:55:17,647 --> 00:55:20,650
And you go buy all those objects,
which you certainly can.

358
00:55:20,692 --> 00:55:23,111
You know, we're not getting these again.

359
00:55:23,111 --> 00:55:25,822
We're not buying
those things at a 1000 at a time.

360
00:55:25,822 --> 00:55:28,825
We're buying them
ten units at a time from the same retail

361
00:55:29,075 --> 00:55:31,870
established
meant that you would be pretty much.

362
00:55:31,870 --> 00:55:34,414
So we're not getting some crazy pricing.

363
00:55:34,414 --> 00:55:36,916
We're buying
almost all the accessories at retail.

364
00:55:36,916 --> 00:55:40,420
So there's not any margin
on any of that stuff.

365
00:55:40,420 --> 00:55:42,589
We just are turning it around.

366
00:55:42,589 --> 00:55:47,677
And so we will we do it
because we just want it to be easy.

367
00:55:47,802 --> 00:55:50,805
The whole thing was think of everything.

368
00:55:51,431 --> 00:55:54,434
What is all the random annoying stuff
an actor

369
00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:57,520
wish they had brought or packed
or forgot to bring?

370
00:55:58,063 --> 00:56:00,148
What can we have already in the kit?

371
00:56:00,148 --> 00:56:01,608
And that's what's in the box.

372
00:56:01,608 --> 00:56:05,945
And so yeah, the even the copy
holder is sturdy enough to hold a laptop.

373
00:56:05,945 --> 00:56:10,367
I don't know if I would put a 7 pound
MacBook Pro 16 inch on it.

374
00:56:10,825 --> 00:56:16,122
Could do it probably in a pinch,
but a 13 inch MacBook air or an iPad or

375
00:56:16,706 --> 00:56:17,415
no problem.

376
00:56:17,415 --> 00:56:19,959
It'll it'll hold those things
with no issue.

377
00:56:19,959 --> 00:56:21,878
Well, I did the last trip.

378
00:56:21,878 --> 00:56:24,547
I did, but that's exactly what I did.

379
00:56:24,547 --> 00:56:29,469
I put my MacBook Pro on the
the copy stand perfect

380
00:56:30,261 --> 00:56:35,433
so I can record and, and,
you know, read off the MacBook.

381
00:56:35,433 --> 00:56:36,017
So go back.

382
00:56:36,017 --> 00:56:39,479
Go back for skip
a few years when you tried

383
00:56:39,479 --> 00:56:42,690
making your own
because it was a dismal failure.

384
00:56:42,690 --> 00:56:45,819
I remember, but but I mean, how much time,
how much time

385
00:56:45,819 --> 00:56:48,321
and how much money do you reckon
you sunk into doing that?

386
00:56:48,321 --> 00:56:49,614
To go only to go?

387
00:56:49,614 --> 00:56:50,115
You know what?

388
00:56:50,115 --> 00:56:51,866
It would have been easier just to buy one.

389
00:56:51,866 --> 00:56:55,412
Well, I did it as an experiment
because I wanted to find out if, yes,

390
00:56:55,537 --> 00:56:56,704
I could do it.

391
00:56:56,704 --> 00:57:00,375
And I did build something,
but it was ridiculously large.

392
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:02,961
It was prohibitively expensive,
I remember.

393
00:57:02,961 --> 00:57:06,965
Yeah, it was hideously expensive and,
a dismal well,

394
00:57:06,965 --> 00:57:08,633
I'm going to say a dismal failure.

395
00:57:08,633 --> 00:57:13,138
It wasn't totally dismal, but it didn't do
anything that it should have done.

396
00:57:13,138 --> 00:57:17,392
It was really heavy,
very expensive and labor intensive.

397
00:57:17,392 --> 00:57:17,976
Yeah.

398
00:57:17,976 --> 00:57:20,061
The first try boots
that was made, wasn't it?

399
00:57:20,061 --> 00:57:20,770
Tried this again.

400
00:57:20,770 --> 00:57:24,107
It was a rectangle and it would pack down

401
00:57:24,107 --> 00:57:27,110
into a golf case, golf clubs case.

402
00:57:27,735 --> 00:57:29,779
So you know big tennis right.

403
00:57:29,779 --> 00:57:32,740
It's tall. Yeah. It's large and bulky.

404
00:57:32,740 --> 00:57:37,579
And Rick carried and dragged that thing to
and from the airport a couple of times.

405
00:57:38,163 --> 00:57:41,416
And he's like, dude,
this is just too freaking big and heavy.

406
00:57:41,416 --> 00:57:45,003
It's too awkward to travel with this thing
all the time.

407
00:57:45,003 --> 00:57:47,005
And how are we going to make this smaller?

408
00:57:47,005 --> 00:57:50,008
And that's when we really dug into like,
okay, how do we shrink it?

409
00:57:50,508 --> 00:57:51,634
How many we have to shrink it.

410
00:57:51,634 --> 00:57:54,637
We had to have more sections
to each of the legs.

411
00:57:55,221 --> 00:57:55,555
All right.

412
00:57:55,555 --> 00:57:58,308
Well then
how long should this sections be?

413
00:57:58,308 --> 00:57:59,809
You know, it.

414
00:57:59,809 --> 00:58:03,480
It's just when you get into the details
and you look closer and closer,

415
00:58:03,980 --> 00:58:05,231
you find more details.

416
00:58:06,232 --> 00:58:08,067
That's, That's why I just got

417
00:58:08,067 --> 00:58:14,032
such a such a process to design this thing
and be nuanced.

418
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:18,286
In fact, the new one, the memo,
which I had no direct

419
00:58:18,286 --> 00:58:21,331
involvement whatsoever
in actually design and fabricating,

420
00:58:21,873 --> 00:58:25,960
that was another challenge because now
we wanted to fit it into a carry on bag.

421
00:58:26,586 --> 00:58:29,672
So the longest leg section
had to be much shorter

422
00:58:30,298 --> 00:58:32,383
than what was on the regular track.

423
00:58:32,383 --> 00:58:36,346
This thing, the longest leg piece on
the tribe, was about 24in, roughly,

424
00:58:37,180 --> 00:58:38,264
maybe something like that.

425
00:58:38,264 --> 00:58:41,601
And then the longest leg section
on the memo could only be like

426
00:58:42,644 --> 00:58:45,647
18in, 16in, something like that.

427
00:58:45,772 --> 00:58:49,317
So then you had to figure out exactly what
length those pipes should actually be,

428
00:58:49,901 --> 00:58:53,780
and then you want those pipes to be
the essentially the all the same length,

429
00:58:54,656 --> 00:58:57,492
so that when it folds down, it's
using every square

430
00:58:57,492 --> 00:59:00,495
inch of the inside of the suitcase.

431
00:59:00,495 --> 00:59:01,454
Right.

432
00:59:01,454 --> 00:59:03,748
And you also want to order all those pipes

433
00:59:03,748 --> 00:59:07,418
cut precut for you
so that you can assemble them more easily.

434
00:59:07,418 --> 00:59:09,462
Now you should have. The suitcase with it.

435
00:59:09,462 --> 00:59:11,297
For which one? The dilemma.

436
00:59:11,297 --> 00:59:11,714
The memo.

437
00:59:11,714 --> 00:59:14,717
It should have come
with its own carry on suitcase.

438
00:59:14,801 --> 00:59:19,013
You could have one if you just want
to just add $100 to the price.

439
00:59:19,305 --> 00:59:19,722
I mean.

440
00:59:20,682 --> 00:59:21,099
Yeah.

441
00:59:21,099 --> 00:59:24,102
I mean everybody, everybody
that once that has

442
00:59:24,102 --> 00:59:27,105
a carry on suitcase
is the reason they want.

443
00:59:27,230 --> 00:59:30,441
So that was part of the reason
I think it was also a cost price point.

444
00:59:30,567 --> 00:59:34,696
But I as I was telling them earlier
like they we don't make points or profit

445
00:59:34,696 --> 00:59:39,742
on all those retail items like the cases,
the cases and the lights and the

446
00:59:40,159 --> 00:59:43,955
power strips and all the other stuff
is all that stuff's bought at retail.

447
00:59:44,289 --> 00:59:48,167
You know, we can't
we we'd have to order hundreds of units,

448
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,588
which we just can't do for free
cash flow perspective.

449
00:59:51,588 --> 00:59:53,548
Nor do we have place to keep it. Yeah.

450
00:59:53,548 --> 00:59:55,300
To store it. All. Yeah.

451
00:59:55,300 --> 00:59:57,343
So it's a very nuanced thing.

452
00:59:57,343 --> 00:59:59,637
The way to scale that. It's made up.

453
00:59:59,637 --> 01:00:01,848
Even the R&D that went into that.

454
01:00:01,848 --> 01:00:06,311
I do remember when it was first announced
and we did an episode with Rick

455
01:00:06,311 --> 01:00:09,230
and yourself here.
I think you were Rick's place.

456
01:00:09,230 --> 01:00:10,148
You out in a.

457
01:00:10,148 --> 01:00:10,398
Yeah.

458
01:00:10,398 --> 01:00:13,818
Somewhere we were in I tribus in Rick's.

459
01:00:14,569 --> 01:00:17,989
It was like a community room
in his building.

460
01:00:17,989 --> 01:00:20,742
Yeah, that was his very empty room.

461
01:00:20,742 --> 01:00:22,910
Had, like, a sofa and that's it.

462
01:00:22,910 --> 01:00:25,663
And we were standing in there together
with the booth in the booth,

463
01:00:25,663 --> 01:00:26,789
which was kind of funny.

464
01:00:26,789 --> 01:00:28,374
And kind of intimate and. Intimate.

465
01:00:28,374 --> 01:00:30,710
Yeah. It's true there, you know,

466
01:00:31,961 --> 01:00:36,007
have you ever,
have you got a recording from anybody and,

467
01:00:36,007 --> 01:00:39,010
and have you ever known
whether they're going to try Booth or not?

468
01:00:39,177 --> 01:00:42,180
I can't say I know that if they have
or they I've gotten

469
01:00:42,388 --> 01:00:44,682
plenty of clothes closets,

470
01:00:44,682 --> 01:00:48,853
lots of overly tubby booths,
you know, like the booth.

471
01:00:48,853 --> 01:00:54,067
Me somewhere
between 100 to 100 and 40 or 150Hz.

472
01:00:54,067 --> 01:00:55,026
It's all. It's.

473
01:00:55,026 --> 01:00:58,029
Yeah, it's on that,
like 300 and down like that.

474
01:00:58,154 --> 01:00:58,905
Yeah. Sound.

475
01:00:58,905 --> 01:00:59,530
And you can eat.

476
01:00:59,530 --> 01:01:00,990
You can eat you. It's not.

477
01:01:00,990 --> 01:01:03,076
It's not under usable. Yeah.

478
01:01:03,076 --> 01:01:06,621
But you can tell someone's
in like a tiny square booth.

479
01:01:06,621 --> 01:01:08,956
Yeah.

480
01:01:08,956 --> 01:01:12,293
I've never had anybody tell me or admit
that they're using a try.

481
01:01:12,293 --> 01:01:12,919
Booth.

482
01:01:12,919 --> 01:01:17,799
I would actually assume that the tri booth
would sound better than the box,

483
01:01:17,799 --> 01:01:21,177
because it probably doesn't
have the standing waves in the same way.

484
01:01:21,719 --> 01:01:22,095
Right?

485
01:01:22,095 --> 01:01:25,431
Doesn't that the 4x4 booth do like

486
01:01:25,973 --> 01:01:28,643
it doesn't knock out the outside sound?

487
01:01:28,643 --> 01:01:30,853
It does a good enough job.

488
01:01:30,853 --> 01:01:33,981
If you're not doing anything really loud,
it does a good enough job

489
01:01:33,981 --> 01:01:36,984
of getting rid of the room reflections.

490
01:01:37,026 --> 01:01:41,155
You know, if you're not screaming and
really exciting the room, it kills that.

491
01:01:41,531 --> 01:01:42,949
So it does have its advantages.

492
01:01:42,949 --> 01:01:45,827
Actually, if you have a
relatively quiet space ready,

493
01:01:46,953 --> 01:01:47,662
you might actually

494
01:01:47,662 --> 01:01:50,790
be better off with something
like a tri booth thinner than.

495
01:01:50,790 --> 01:01:51,374
A whisper room.

496
01:01:51,374 --> 01:01:53,626
And it was kind of a I said, booth.

497
01:01:53,626 --> 01:01:54,752
Yeah, right.

498
01:01:54,752 --> 01:01:59,132
I agree, I mean, I one of the things
that I'll do as a customer is

499
01:01:59,132 --> 01:02:02,510
I will not just make you a filter,
but I'll even try to match your sound

500
01:02:02,552 --> 01:02:04,095
from your home studio.

501
01:02:04,095 --> 01:02:04,429
Right.

502
01:02:04,429 --> 01:02:07,432
So if you are using the tri booth
for travel,

503
01:02:07,432 --> 01:02:10,435
for many people
this is their only booth actually.

504
01:02:10,643 --> 01:02:12,812
But for those that actually do
use it for travel

505
01:02:12,812 --> 01:02:15,982
and they do have a home studio,
one of the things I'll do for them

506
01:02:15,982 --> 01:02:19,777
is I'll try when I make the filter
to match the IQ of their home booth.

507
01:02:19,777 --> 01:02:22,572
Right. So you add this back in.

508
01:02:22,572 --> 01:02:23,740
Well, that's the travel.

509
01:02:25,491 --> 01:02:26,743
Sometimes I'll get a sample

510
01:02:26,743 --> 01:02:29,746
from the home studio booth, whisper room,
whatever it is.

511
01:02:30,705 --> 01:02:32,623
And it sounds worse. Yeah.

512
01:02:32,623 --> 01:02:34,292
And then I'm like, yeah, what do I do?

513
01:02:34,292 --> 01:02:35,168
Yeah.

514
01:02:35,168 --> 01:02:38,921
So, you know, it's it's a weird
because I'll be like, okay, well,

515
01:02:38,921 --> 01:02:43,009
this is the way it should sound, but
this is the way your home booth sounds.

516
01:02:43,634 --> 01:02:47,597
So I'm going to add to cue here and there
so that they kind of match.

517
01:02:47,597 --> 01:02:49,432
And then there's the whole point

518
01:02:49,432 --> 01:02:52,393
of making the matches
so that you can pick up a job,

519
01:02:52,435 --> 01:02:55,438
take up work,
you know, continue a campaign.

520
01:02:56,147 --> 01:02:58,816
All kind of things are reasons
voice actors work on the road.

521
01:02:58,816 --> 01:03:02,570
You know, they don't you don't work
on the road to do an occasional audition.

522
01:03:02,570 --> 01:03:05,156
You walk on the road
because you just absolutely have to.

523
01:03:05,156 --> 01:03:08,534
Maybe, maybe you work on the road
because you're not working enough

524
01:03:08,534 --> 01:03:11,245
and now you're homeless. Well, yeah.

525
01:03:11,245 --> 01:03:13,247
You know, while you work on the road,
however, you work on the road

526
01:03:13,247 --> 01:03:15,875
because clients can't get the scripts
right the first time around.

527
01:03:15,875 --> 01:03:17,376
That's why.

528
01:03:17,376 --> 01:03:17,794
Oh, yeah.

529
01:03:17,794 --> 01:03:19,545
Because now it's not.
You have to do the pitch that.

530
01:03:19,545 --> 01:03:20,546
Oh, we forgot that.

531
01:03:20,546 --> 01:03:23,090
We forgot to put the phone number in or.

532
01:03:23,090 --> 01:03:24,801
Yeah. Can we.

533
01:03:24,801 --> 01:03:27,553
Yeah. The email address is changed right.

534
01:03:27,553 --> 01:03:30,765
You know,
the promo code is wrong or whatever.

535
01:03:30,765 --> 01:03:32,016
Yeah. Yeah.

536
01:03:32,016 --> 01:03:33,601
But it's funny though, because, like,
you know,

537
01:03:33,601 --> 01:03:37,396
as you know, I do like,
pretty well daily stuff for, Dubai

538
01:03:38,689 --> 01:03:40,608
and weekly

539
01:03:40,608 --> 01:03:43,611
probably jobs for Singapore,
but the daily stuff,

540
01:03:44,028 --> 01:03:48,616
I know that the guy, AJ,
who's the producer engineer in Dubai,

541
01:03:49,617 --> 01:03:52,703
I've sent him stuff that I'm really open,
honest with him and say, look, you know,

542
01:03:53,246 --> 01:03:55,206
I'm on the road. Is it sounding okay?

543
01:03:55,206 --> 01:03:58,459
And I every time, oh, pretty well,
every time I've done that, he said,

544
01:03:59,001 --> 01:04:00,461
I can't even hear the difference.

545
01:04:00,461 --> 01:04:03,464
Mainly because he, he's already
got the processing set.

546
01:04:03,464 --> 01:04:04,757
Up for your.

547
01:04:04,757 --> 01:04:08,594
As a template, so he doesn't
even listen to it before he gets process.

548
01:04:09,220 --> 01:04:10,263
So he has a change.

549
01:04:10,263 --> 01:04:11,389
So he's got.

550
01:04:11,389 --> 01:04:14,308
A team, knows he's
going to run you through that chain.

551
01:04:14,308 --> 01:04:17,812
And so the first thing he does is
after records you from wherever you are.

552
01:04:17,812 --> 01:04:23,901
His hits play on that chain and it matches
well enough with the chain in place.

553
01:04:23,901 --> 01:04:25,111
Yep. He's happy.

554
01:04:25,111 --> 01:04:27,238
He doesn't even doesn't even draws
attention.

555
01:04:27,238 --> 01:04:28,990
Then it's a different thing.

556
01:04:28,990 --> 01:04:32,743
It's it's funny because I mean,
if I'm sitting here, if I'm in my booth

557
01:04:32,952 --> 01:04:37,748
at home, I'm
either using, an 818 or an eight seen

558
01:04:38,291 --> 01:04:40,877
monster in audio through either the Grace

559
01:04:40,877 --> 01:04:43,880
and what I won or a 1073 knife.

560
01:04:44,297 --> 01:04:46,507
But when I'm on the road, I'm

561
01:04:46,507 --> 01:04:49,760
using either when it used to be an SSL two

562
01:04:50,595 --> 01:04:52,930
and now it's similar,
you know, the passport video.

563
01:04:54,056 --> 01:04:57,393
And. By the way, we're
going to have more of those on the market.

564
01:04:57,643 --> 01:04:58,519
It sounds like.

565
01:04:58,519 --> 01:04:59,770
Yes, exactly.

566
01:04:59,770 --> 01:05:00,813
Yeah. I did hear that team.

567
01:05:00,813 --> 01:05:04,317
You don't know when, but we are. Yeah.

568
01:05:04,358 --> 01:05:09,488
We now have, lead over 15,
possibly up to 15 more units.

569
01:05:10,907 --> 01:05:12,617
Wow. That are going to go through

570
01:05:12,617 --> 01:05:16,537
sort of a round to a fabrication,
which involves.

571
01:05:16,579 --> 01:05:17,705
Prefabrication.

572
01:05:17,705 --> 01:05:20,207
A reset refurbishment, let's call it that.

573
01:05:20,207 --> 01:05:23,252
And yeah, and believe it or not,
it involves an x ray machine.

574
01:05:23,336 --> 01:05:24,337
Yes it does. Does.

575
01:05:24,337 --> 01:05:26,380
So the the USB chip

576
01:05:26,380 --> 01:05:29,884
basically what happened is the USB
chips were faulty on that round.

577
01:05:30,259 --> 01:05:33,512
And apparently like this USB chip,
the way it's soldered on,

578
01:05:33,512 --> 01:05:36,515
all the pins are directly underneath it.

579
01:05:37,058 --> 01:05:40,811
So the only way to take it off,
solder it back on.

580
01:05:41,145 --> 01:05:44,148
They have to use an x ray machine
to check the solders

581
01:05:44,190 --> 01:05:46,692
it once it's soldered back on. Wow.

582
01:05:46,692 --> 01:05:48,277
It's like surgery. It is, isn't it?

583
01:05:48,277 --> 01:05:50,780
So that's mind blowing. Not brain surgery.
Yeah, yeah.

584
01:05:50,780 --> 01:05:53,324
Well actually there you go. There's
there's a plug for my new podcast.

585
01:05:53,324 --> 01:05:54,200
It's coming out.

586
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:55,743
It's it's not brain surgery now.

587
01:05:55,743 --> 01:05:58,037
Well I was going to call it
it's not brain surgery but I've called it.

588
01:05:58,037 --> 01:06:01,707
It's not rocket science but it's about
it's about the science of radio imaging.

589
01:06:01,707 --> 01:06:03,125
So it's sort of about that. Cool.

590
01:06:03,125 --> 01:06:06,128
The process behind it's not about how to
make a sweeper and all that sort of stuff.

591
01:06:06,128 --> 01:06:07,713
It's about, you know what?

592
01:06:07,713 --> 01:06:09,882
Why why do we use radio imaging?

593
01:06:09,882 --> 01:06:11,968
How can we use it, blah blah.

594
01:06:11,968 --> 01:06:13,970
That's going to stick to the guy.

595
01:06:13,970 --> 01:06:16,514
So I thought, it's not rocket
science was a good name.

596
01:06:16,514 --> 01:06:19,308
So yeah, yeah yeah
yeah. That's great. It's a great topic.

597
01:06:19,308 --> 01:06:22,561
I know my my friend
Jodie Crangle does her audio branding one

598
01:06:22,561 --> 01:06:25,731
and that's a lot of what it's about
is bringing people in

599
01:06:25,731 --> 01:06:30,277
who are experts in marketing
and what works psychologically

600
01:06:30,277 --> 01:06:34,156
and why we do what we do
and how and not not so much of the how.

601
01:06:34,156 --> 01:06:36,575
It's not a that's like you said, it's
not a technical thing.

602
01:06:36,575 --> 01:06:37,493
Yeah, yeah.

603
01:06:37,493 --> 01:06:38,077
It's a

604
01:06:38,077 --> 01:06:39,662
I don't want to make it
a, I don't want to make it

605
01:06:39,662 --> 01:06:41,080
a, you know, I love these plug in

606
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:43,541
because in all that sort of stuff,
it's more about,

607
01:06:43,541 --> 01:06:47,503
you know, thinking about how
how our imaging influences listeners

608
01:06:47,586 --> 01:06:52,008
and also sort of getting a programmers
perspective because it ask an imaging guy

609
01:06:52,008 --> 01:06:52,758
what imaging is about.

610
01:06:52,758 --> 01:06:54,552
And he'll go, oh, it's about all the cool
sounds.

611
01:06:54,552 --> 01:06:56,637
And, you know, using
describe your neck right there.

612
01:06:56,637 --> 01:06:58,097
But ask a programmer director

613
01:06:58,097 --> 01:07:02,184
and he's got a completely different view
on what he wants when he's imaging.

614
01:07:02,184 --> 01:07:04,812
So, you know, it's that's why
I thought it would be a good one.

615
01:07:04,812 --> 01:07:08,232
And if,
if you ask the voiceover talents about.

616
01:07:08,232 --> 01:07:10,693
It's about the voiceover talents. Yeah.

617
01:07:10,693 --> 01:07:14,238
You ask, I pay you to be on the radio
imaging in the first place.

618
01:07:14,238 --> 01:07:16,782
That's right. Exactly.
How do I get that exactly.

619
01:07:18,659 --> 01:07:18,826
Yeah.

620
01:07:18,826 --> 01:07:21,037
So yeah,
everyone's got their own perspective.

621
01:07:21,037 --> 01:07:24,874
But, I mean, I, I'm
actually I'm actually sort of

622
01:07:24,874 --> 01:07:29,295
a getting back on topic,
I'm actually a bit of a Tribhuvan Virgin.

623
01:07:29,295 --> 01:07:34,008
I mean, I've recorded AP a couple of times
for this show from a try booth, and

624
01:07:34,008 --> 01:07:38,471
I was honestly, without blowing sunshine
up your ass, I was honestly impressed

625
01:07:39,013 --> 01:07:42,016
and I sent me some samples
when he's traveled as well.

626
01:07:42,892 --> 01:07:45,102
A few years ago
when he first got it, to have a listen to

627
01:07:45,102 --> 01:07:48,856
and I'll be honest,
there's not much to pick wrong with it.

628
01:07:48,856 --> 01:07:49,648
No, I.

629
01:07:49,648 --> 01:07:52,651
Think the trade booth is like, you know,
you know, studios that have these

630
01:07:52,651 --> 01:07:55,654
like, reflection
filters around the mics and stuff.

631
01:07:55,696 --> 01:07:57,073
Yeah. Or guess.

632
01:07:57,073 --> 01:07:59,492
So. They have a nice live room,
but they don't want a live sound.

633
01:07:59,492 --> 01:08:00,576
And then they put the reflection

634
01:08:00,576 --> 01:08:03,954
filter around the mic,
you know, God forbid a music vocal.

635
01:08:04,330 --> 01:08:07,333
But I think something like
the tribute would be better than those,

636
01:08:07,583 --> 01:08:09,502
reflection filters close to the mic.

637
01:08:09,502 --> 01:08:13,214
And you don't necessarily need a cover,
you don't need to cover the opening

638
01:08:13,214 --> 01:08:15,633
to probably like
for that kind of a use case, like

639
01:08:16,675 --> 01:08:17,927
I tell people all the time,

640
01:08:17,927 --> 01:08:21,305
with your tribe,
you don't have to close the opening.

641
01:08:21,514 --> 01:08:24,767
You can leave the opening open
in many cases.

642
01:08:25,392 --> 01:08:28,395
So if if the space you're in is dead
enough,

643
01:08:28,938 --> 01:08:31,941
that it sounds good with the opening

644
01:08:32,149 --> 01:08:34,902
the door, I guess the flaps flaps up.

645
01:08:34,902 --> 01:08:37,530
If you leave the flaps open
or the flaps up,

646
01:08:37,530 --> 01:08:40,282
you can still get actually
a really good sound.

647
01:08:40,282 --> 01:08:41,909
Sometimes that's all you need.

648
01:08:41,909 --> 01:08:45,371
And if that's the case, it's even better
because you're not having to be

649
01:08:45,371 --> 01:08:48,624
fully enclosed,
which is a little bit less stuffy.

650
01:08:49,458 --> 01:08:52,378
But there's even one more thing.

651
01:08:52,378 --> 01:08:54,296
The fact that there's a space below

652
01:08:54,296 --> 01:08:58,092
the blankets and the floor is a big,
obviously space there.

653
01:08:58,592 --> 01:09:01,595
If you open the roof like a hatch.

654
01:09:01,846 --> 01:09:02,596
Against.

655
01:09:02,596 --> 01:09:07,601
Now you have like an open opening and it
converts convection and it actually draws.

656
01:09:07,768 --> 01:09:09,186
Flaring, stuffy.

657
01:09:09,186 --> 01:09:11,981
Hot air out and the cool air,
it makes a noticeable.

658
01:09:11,981 --> 01:09:12,231
Difference.

659
01:09:12,231 --> 01:09:14,441
So how much do you have to open it
to get that? Not much.

660
01:09:14,441 --> 01:09:15,860
I wouldn't presume how much.

661
01:09:15,860 --> 01:09:19,530
I mean, you only need to just flip
the corner up and you'll have like a small

662
01:09:19,738 --> 01:09:21,073
oh, the cupola.

663
01:09:21,073 --> 01:09:22,783
It's like the cupola in the house.

664
01:09:22,783 --> 01:09:24,160
Yeah, the cupola and a house.

665
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:26,245
The the thing where the air is vented

666
01:09:26,245 --> 01:09:27,830
through the roof of the house
to keep that.

667
01:09:27,830 --> 01:09:29,373
We call them whirlybirds.

668
01:09:29,373 --> 01:09:29,957
Yeah.

669
01:09:29,957 --> 01:09:30,457
Yeah, yeah.

670
01:09:30,457 --> 01:09:33,544
And stop the stop
the mold from growing in the attic.

671
01:09:33,544 --> 01:09:36,255
Yeah. So, yeah, this is the idea here.

672
01:09:36,255 --> 01:09:39,258
And so,
yeah, it's a shockingly effective thing.

673
01:09:39,383 --> 01:09:41,177
I mean, when you're in an enclosed space

674
01:09:41,177 --> 01:09:44,638
and you give any place for the air
to escape, it's noticeable.

675
01:09:45,347 --> 01:09:46,390
It's very nice. Yeah.

676
01:09:46,390 --> 01:09:47,683
So you have that option too.

677
01:09:47,683 --> 01:09:49,727
And it can really make it
more comfortable.

678
01:09:49,727 --> 01:09:52,271
And the other thing is, of course,
if you do this for a living,

679
01:09:52,271 --> 01:09:57,401
then you work on your mic technique
because that actually plays in as well.

680
01:09:57,401 --> 01:10:00,404
If you're way off the mic
and you're in attributes in a,

681
01:10:00,404 --> 01:10:04,700
you know, a pretty, stark room,
you're going to get reflections and.

682
01:10:04,992 --> 01:10:06,827
The here's
the funny thing that might take me

683
01:10:07,786 --> 01:10:08,746
the best

684
01:10:08,746 --> 01:10:11,957
studios allow for the sloppiest
mic placement.

685
01:10:12,583 --> 01:10:14,460
Yeah. Would you agree with that, Robert?

686
01:10:14,460 --> 01:10:17,463
I would like a really well
designed studio,

687
01:10:18,172 --> 01:10:21,133
you know, like there's no bad combination.

688
01:10:21,258 --> 01:10:24,345
And it's quiet enough that if you're off,
like, you can still pick it up.

689
01:10:24,345 --> 01:10:28,515
And then if you have a really good mic
that has good off axis coloration,

690
01:10:29,183 --> 01:10:32,061
it doesn't sound like garbage
when you're, you know, a.

691
01:10:32,061 --> 01:10:32,978
Foot to one side.

692
01:10:32,978 --> 01:10:37,274
I mean, the for the 40,
the 41 six squares.

693
01:10:37,274 --> 01:10:38,442
But. Right.

694
01:10:38,442 --> 01:10:38,943
Yeah.

695
01:10:38,943 --> 01:10:41,862
But yeah, I mean there's, there's you
I mean, guys, if you haven't

696
01:10:41,862 --> 01:10:45,199
gotten to spend time in a commercial grade
high end studio,

697
01:10:45,741 --> 01:10:49,370
you don't really know,
but you'd be amazed how far away the mic

698
01:10:49,370 --> 01:10:52,998
can be placed in those environments
and still get a really present sound.

699
01:10:53,666 --> 01:10:55,376
It's a very wild thing.

700
01:10:55,376 --> 01:10:59,171
I've heard recordings, and I'll ask
the client how close to the mic are you?

701
01:10:59,171 --> 01:11:02,216
Sounds like you're 4 or 5in away from them
right now.

702
01:11:02,216 --> 01:11:03,300
I'm about a foot away.

703
01:11:03,300 --> 01:11:05,594
I mean, like, how is that even possible?

704
01:11:05,594 --> 01:11:08,806
But then I see the room
or the acoustic setup or whatever

705
01:11:08,806 --> 01:11:11,934
they've done, and I'm like, well, that's
because the acoustics are so good

706
01:11:12,810 --> 01:11:15,646
that they allow you
to be farther from the mic.

707
01:11:15,646 --> 01:11:19,483
So smaller enclosed spaces require tighter

708
01:11:19,984 --> 01:11:23,112
my placement full stops every time.

709
01:11:23,112 --> 01:11:25,906
So is there a
is there a mic that you would recommend?

710
01:11:25,906 --> 01:11:26,448
I mean, I know

711
01:11:26,448 --> 01:11:28,325
most people are going to take their
everyday mic

712
01:11:28,325 --> 01:11:30,077
because for the reasons
we've talked about,

713
01:11:30,077 --> 01:11:33,163
but if you were building a studio
for the first time

714
01:11:33,163 --> 01:11:35,624
and you decided
that you were going to use a try booth,

715
01:11:35,624 --> 01:11:37,960
and then you were thinking, well,
what Mike would I pair with that?

716
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:38,961
Would you?

717
01:11:38,961 --> 01:11:42,715
Is there a mike you would suggest works
performs better in a try booth,

718
01:11:42,715 --> 01:11:45,718
or is it pretty much
even across the board?

719
01:11:45,884 --> 01:11:47,970
I'm going to guess that in at in Andrews.

720
01:11:47,970 --> 01:11:52,391
You know, besides the 41 six,
I bet you that, but what do you see?

721
01:11:52,474 --> 01:11:54,226
Okay, the.

722
01:11:54,226 --> 01:11:57,062
Yeah, I bet you that kick right in there.

723
01:11:57,062 --> 01:11:58,188
It would be fantastic.

724
01:11:58,188 --> 01:12:00,733
And but I do use 41 six.

725
01:12:00,733 --> 01:12:01,567
That's what goes on there.

726
01:12:01,567 --> 01:12:03,277
Well, I'll. Tell you what I. Mean.
Cut that out. Pretty sight.

727
01:12:03,277 --> 01:12:04,278
This isn't. This is.

728
01:12:04,278 --> 01:12:05,070
No secret.

729
01:12:05,070 --> 01:12:09,783
It's no secret that the mike that Rick
uses and has for 15 years is a 41 six.

730
01:12:09,783 --> 01:12:10,409
Yeah.

731
01:12:10,409 --> 01:12:13,871
So what do you think is the mike we used
when we designed to try this and then.

732
01:12:13,871 --> 01:12:15,622
Well,
I kind of think that thing. Was a fit.

733
01:12:15,622 --> 01:12:17,875
It would make sense as an industry
standard anyway.

734
01:12:17,875 --> 01:12:20,419
I mean, let's be honest.
I mean that's what most I. Mean, when.

735
01:12:20,419 --> 01:12:23,547
Is Austin Audio going to put
a, you know, like a, you know,

736
01:12:24,048 --> 01:12:27,176
a small shotgun attachment
that, that here.

737
01:12:28,052 --> 01:12:28,635
That's true.

738
01:12:28,635 --> 01:12:30,596
That's it will be a killer.

739
01:12:30,596 --> 01:12:32,806
It will be a interchangeable capsule.

740
01:12:32,806 --> 01:12:35,768
Mike. Right.
It is already interchangeable, I believe.

741
01:12:35,768 --> 01:12:37,686
Is isn't it entry?

742
01:12:37,686 --> 01:12:38,896
Not a I don't think so.

743
01:12:38,896 --> 01:12:40,939
Oh, so they're not doing it.

744
01:12:40,939 --> 01:12:43,525
Austin's not doing it
in a changeable capsule yet.

745
01:12:43,525 --> 01:12:45,778
No, I remember unscrew.

746
01:12:45,778 --> 01:12:46,320
Take that.

747
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:48,739
Yeah. Remember
who bought that Lincoln Unscrews.

748
01:12:48,739 --> 01:12:50,074
Remember who bought Austrian audio

749
01:12:51,909 --> 01:12:54,912
guessing changeable capsule weights.

750
01:12:54,912 --> 01:12:55,579
Yeah.

751
01:12:55,579 --> 01:13:00,084
I mean, they could they could so easily
make a short shotgun attachment to that.

752
01:13:00,584 --> 01:13:02,127
Yeah. You know, it's really funny.

753
01:13:02,127 --> 01:13:06,382
Remember the,
crazy shotgun mic that I, used for,

754
01:13:07,424 --> 01:13:09,093
Or the really long one?

755
01:13:09,093 --> 01:13:10,886
The really long one, right. Was that it?

756
01:13:10,886 --> 01:13:13,138
So what do they call that?

757
01:13:13,138 --> 01:13:15,391
It was the,
Let's see what it is. Here was.

758
01:13:15,391 --> 01:13:17,142
A sunrise.

759
01:13:17,142 --> 01:13:18,477
No, it's the Audio-Technica.

760
01:13:18,477 --> 01:13:20,312
Oh, okay. Got it. Yeah.

761
01:13:20,312 --> 01:13:21,563
It was a really long shotgun.

762
01:13:21,563 --> 01:13:24,566
It's like, 814, I think.

763
01:13:24,858 --> 01:13:26,610
And then I'm on eBay.

764
01:13:26,610 --> 01:13:29,530
And for $22,

765
01:13:29,530 --> 01:13:32,449
a shotgun capsule pops up for that thing.

766
01:13:32,449 --> 01:13:33,158
No. Way.

767
01:13:33,158 --> 01:13:35,953
I'm. I'm like, oh,
I think I'm going to grab that because.

768
01:13:35,953 --> 01:13:37,788
Because I had two of them

769
01:13:37,788 --> 01:13:39,706
and I had another preamp body
and I was like, okay,

770
01:13:39,706 --> 01:13:42,126
then I can have two shotguns
and I get the shotgun.

771
01:13:42,126 --> 01:13:45,129
It's a short shotgun. No way.

772
01:13:45,254 --> 01:13:49,258
So I have a long shotgun in the short
shotgun and a cardioid guide.

773
01:13:49,258 --> 01:13:50,592
Now you really sound like an American.

774
01:13:50,592 --> 01:13:53,429
I've got this shotgun,
I've got that shotgun, blah blah blah.

775
01:13:53,429 --> 01:13:54,555
Except that's right.

776
01:13:55,722 --> 01:13:57,349
And a rack to hold on the back.

777
01:13:57,349 --> 01:13:59,351
Sure.

778
01:13:59,351 --> 01:14:00,227
And I guess.

779
01:14:00,227 --> 01:14:02,062
That would be a funny to get your point.

780
01:14:02,062 --> 01:14:05,065
Like a pickup truck with a shotgun first.

781
01:14:05,149 --> 01:14:08,152
41 six in the back.

782
01:14:09,361 --> 01:14:10,154
We got to do that.

783
01:14:10,154 --> 01:14:12,531
Yeah, that's on the pro audio, right.

784
01:14:12,531 --> 01:14:15,909
That's why that when we do this call,
I do that one pretty quick.

785
01:14:16,785 --> 01:14:18,078
Okay.

786
01:14:18,078 --> 01:14:18,579
Yeah.

787
01:14:18,579 --> 01:14:20,747
The priority. Is my kind of gun. Truck.

788
01:14:20,747 --> 01:14:23,750
Now you can have it
almost like we're hunting clients.

789
01:14:24,918 --> 01:14:27,921
I'm hunting Clyde.

790
01:14:28,297 --> 01:14:29,465
They're doing this before.

791
01:14:29,465 --> 01:14:30,591
Before someone else does.

792
01:14:30,591 --> 01:14:32,926
Someone's going to take that idea
and use it, you know?

793
01:14:32,926 --> 01:14:35,762
Yeah. That's right.

794
01:14:35,762 --> 01:14:38,849
Well, on that note, I think we've,
dispelled some myths about the tribally.

795
01:14:38,891 --> 01:14:40,392
So diesel, the fiber.

796
01:14:40,392 --> 01:14:46,648
Use our Code Tribe app 200, and
then we'll get you 200 USD off your tribe.

797
01:14:46,648 --> 01:14:48,192
Please do yourself a favor.

798
01:14:48,192 --> 01:14:50,777
Does it get them off of the memo as well?
Or is that just the tribe?

799
01:14:50,777 --> 01:14:53,447
It just the tribe is my.
I heard of the memos.

800
01:14:53,447 --> 01:14:56,867
The first 100 units were all $100 off
anyway, so there you go.

801
01:14:57,701 --> 01:14:57,910
Yeah.

802
01:14:57,910 --> 01:15:01,371
So if you buy a memo and you buy it
and there's a first hundred them

803
01:15:01,497 --> 01:15:02,748
that's also on. Yes.

804
01:15:02,748 --> 01:15:05,292
Oh snap of the broadcast.

805
01:15:05,292 --> 01:15:06,668
Well that was fun. Is it over

806
01:15:08,128 --> 01:15:09,004
the front audio.

807
01:15:09,004 --> 01:15:13,967
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808
01:15:14,051 --> 01:15:17,054
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809
01:15:17,137 --> 01:15:18,639
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810
01:15:18,639 --> 01:15:19,598
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811
01:15:19,598 --> 01:15:20,307
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812
01:15:20,307 --> 01:15:22,935
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