The Rode NT2000: Is It Worth It for Voiceover?

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(Transcribed by TurboScribe.ai. Go Unlimited to remove this message.) Y'all ready to be history?

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Get started.

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Welcome.

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Hi.

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Hi.

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Introducing Robert Marshall from Source Elements and Someone

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Audio Post, Chicago.

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Darren Robert Robertson from Voodoo Radio Imaging, Sydney.

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Tech to the VO stars, George the Tech

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Whittam from LA, and me, Andrew Peters, voiceover

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talent and home studio guy.

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Line up, man.

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And Austrian Audio, making passion heard.

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Lovely microphones.

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And speaking of which, we had a question.

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Hey, guys.

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I love listening to and learning from your

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perspectives.

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Nice.

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Any thoughts on the road NT2000 for voiceover?

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I have one, but can't find much in

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the way of evaluations of it.

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Barry Burns.

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Bazza.

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The big Baz.

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Bazza.

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Big Baz.

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Well, when you just Google it in the

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US, you're going to find the usual big,

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giant box.

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The big retailers, you know, across the top

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of Google, right?

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Yeah, B&H.

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That means Sweetwater Guitar Center, Adorama.

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And the reviews, you know, if you're just

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looking at pure star ratings, they're, you know,

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knocking it out of the park.

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Everybody that's reviewed the mic, with very little

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exception, says they love it.

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So that's a good start.

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I know I've heard that mic.

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I just can't remember when.

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You know, when a mic sounds lousy or

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it sounds noisy, fuzzy, extra sibilant, it stands

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out in my memory.

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Then it's the talent.

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Yeah.

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Fuzzy talent.

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I hate dealing with fuzzy talent.

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And so then it stands in my memory.

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It's kind of like, you know, when you

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get a bad impression of something, or like

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if you get food poisoning, you'll never eat

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that food again.

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That's kind of what it is with mics.

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If it sounds really lousy on somebody, I'll

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usually remember that that mic sounded lousy.

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So I guess my wasted time here is

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all to say that if I remembered it

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being bad, I would probably remember it.

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And I think that, by all accounts, it's

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not a bad mic.

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And it's probably really, really outside guesses that

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this is kind of like their answer to

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a U87.

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Maybe.

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Kind of.

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Yeah, I guess.

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They have another mic that looks a hell

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of a lot more like a U87.

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Like their first mic, actually.

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What was that?

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The NT2A?

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No, it was the NT1.

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It was the original NT1.

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The original mic looked so, it looked lawsuit

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close to a U87.

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Do you know the original NT1 had a

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plastic body?

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No.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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That's weird.

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That one's not made in America.

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That was really weird.

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Well, it's fascinating that there's a Rode NT2A,

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and there's a Rode NT2000.

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They're still selling them, so they make both.

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And the NT2A maybe is a little more

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U87-like in that it's just got three

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polar pattern positions.

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Click, click, click.

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And then it's got two high-pass filter

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settings, which is nice, and two pad settings.

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So it's kind of like a better U87

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in terms of features, you know?

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The NT2 is the one that looks a

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hell of a lot like a U87.

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I mean, the NT2A looks just like, oh,

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the two, not the two.

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The NT2 looks, I mean, it is obviously

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trying to be a U87.

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Maybe that's why it doesn't look like one

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anymore.

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It might have had a little trouble with

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Sennheiser or Neumann.

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I think it might have.

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I mean, because it's the exact same setup.

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It's a three pattern with a 10 dB

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pad and a high-pass filter, although they

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did put the high-pass filter and the

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10 dB pad on one switch, which I

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hate, because who thought that you're not going

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to need both?

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But whatever.

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But yeah, it looks a lawsuit close to

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a U87.

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I was talking to Peluso Microphones, which is

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a really small company in Virginia.

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Literally a ma and pa operation.

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It's really cool.

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The wife does soldering and assembly.

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Neat little company, nice people, good products, you

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know, made in the U.S. They're doing

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a lot of AKG-type mics.

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They're all like clones of other mics, basically.

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They're not really trying to do something completely

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original, although they have some original ideas.

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But they told me very clearly, like, yeah,

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when we made this new P67, which is

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their equivalent of U87, they were like, we

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could not replicate the head basket shape because

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that is all maybe a patent, right?

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They have it trademarked or patented, but the

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unique shape of a U67 and an U87

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grill, you cannot rip it off unless you're

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from China.

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Yeah, unless you're like above the law shipping.

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Somebody actually saw on Facebook, somebody posted on

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Facebook, an ad from a big box hardware

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store, like a Home Depot, advertising a U87.

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I saw that.

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For like 150 bucks, right?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, really, really, really cheap knockoff.

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So, I mean, that's what's coming.

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I know we're way off the freaking topic

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here, guys.

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It's why you tune in, right?

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But the whole thing was like, you know,

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even these giant online retailers, the machine that

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keeps, you know, retail product feeding into their

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website is kind of off the rails.

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When a, you know, on Home Depot is

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selling a Timu quality mic, you know, or

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AliExpress quality mic.

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And by the way, go look how many

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knockoffs of Neumann's and stuff that are on

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AliExpress or Ali, like it's mind boggling.

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It's like, it's never ends.

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So the 2000, I heard that it was

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good.

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I remember that it was good.

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I don't remember anything wrong with it, but

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how about those pots?

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The fact that it has variable pots for

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each of those settings, that's gotta be a

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problem.

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Well, if they're good pots, they might last,

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but it does make it a very unique

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mic.

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I like the idea of it.

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Because it's like, everything is completely variable.

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And for a price point that basically competes

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with, you know, from the Austrian audio world,

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it seems to be in the price range

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of like an OC18, which is a fixed

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pattern mic.

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Right.

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This is way more versatile, obviously.

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Yeah.

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I remember what you were saying a couple

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of weeks ago when we were talking about

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USB mics, though, George, that sort of, that,

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hang on, I've just got to, oh, you

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want more gain?

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Hang on.

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You know, it doesn't work well sometimes, but

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look, I mean.

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And then, and then after many years it's.

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Yes, exactly.

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Again, turning the.

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Scrapey pot sound.

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Well, in defense of that microphone, I do

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know one big studio in Melbourne that's had

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them for years, 15 years, at least 15

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years.

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Maybe longer.

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Well, they've got a 10 year warranty, so

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that would stand to reason.

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Yeah, but I mean, the thing is that

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they're still.

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But you don't know how many they've had.

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No, no, no.

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They're the same ones.

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I can tell because I lick them.

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Oh.

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They all taste the same.

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And they have the paint worn off in

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the one spot that you like the most.

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Yeah, that's right.

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Yeah.

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Oh, fuck.

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Get the, get the, get the Glenn 20

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out.

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Peters has been in here again.

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Andrew, what else do you do with those

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mics?

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Well.

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Well, I found, I did find a post

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from Mix Magazine.

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Okay.

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From May 2004 about the Rodent 2000.

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So it's a story about the development of

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the mic, how it was Peter Friedman began

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working on the company's latest creation.

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He wanted to do something completely different.

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And the NT-2000, the result of that

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quest, I guess, completed him from the NT

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-2.

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So 7 dB self noise or EIN.

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So low noise.

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That's very, very low noise for a multi

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-pattern microphone.

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Yeah.

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Really low noise, which is pretty amazing.

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Totally variable controls, as we mentioned.

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You know, it has a high, a dead

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center, or a center detent on the pot.

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So when it's in the center position, you

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know where the neutral position is.

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Other than that, though, it's not stepped.

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It's not like a pot that clicks giving

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you any kind of indication where you are

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on that thing.

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I would imagine once you get the settings

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set, you'd almost want to tape the knobs

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down.

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Or put your little China graph mark.

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Yeah.

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Or at least mark them.

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Yeah, because I would think it would be

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very easy to bump those pots with your

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hand when moving the mic or adjusting it

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for somebody.

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And those things would get bumped.

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I've not heard one, but according to the

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interweb, it seems to be a bright mic

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in the spirit of a 414 kind of

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thing.

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Which would be kind of similar to the

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NT-1.

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Yeah, I mean, I guess.

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I thought the NT-1 was a 416.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But that's right, when we did that mic

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shoot.

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Which is awesome.

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The 1A especially was a bit more high

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shelfy.

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Yeah.

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The 1A was definitely bright, and the 1

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was the one that sounded more quality.

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Yeah, they reeled it back a bit.

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Yeah.

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So the NT-2000 launched in that year,

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in 2004, for $899 US.

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Wow.

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So now we're 20 years later, and it's

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selling for less.

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Which I don't even understand.

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How does that work?

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That's negative inflation.

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I don't get that.

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That's because since then, of course, they built

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that massive computerized factory in Sydney.

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So they have this economy of scale.

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Which means their production costs, yeah.

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And they would be pumping out a lot.

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Well, I mean, I guess in a way

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that says two things about Rode.

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One is they want to have a really

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good value mic, which is great.

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Their prices on Rode mics are really good

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for what you get.

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Really, I mean, extremely good.

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Like, a lot of times I see them

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in the States, and I think, how can

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it be that inexpensive?

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Like, speaking of lowering prices, they released the

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NT-1 5th Gen as the, what do

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they call it, the studio edition?

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Is that the USB one?

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Yeah.

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No, they have a version without USB.

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So what they did is they took the

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NT-1 5th Gen and removed the 32

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-bit converter preamp circuit completely and just turned

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it into a standard XLR and then sold

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that for $159 US.

326
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Wow.

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Yeah.

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Which is crazy.

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Because, I mean, that mic was $269, $259

330
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all day long.

331
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Yeah.

332
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And that was the mic that I always

333
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thought was like about as low as you

334
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go without buying a mic that you will

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one day toss or give away.

336
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Or, you know, it's like it's probably a

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mic that can still have relevance in your

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closet.

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Yeah.

340
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I think, you know, the NT-1, I've

341
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always said the same thing.

342
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I mean, if you were paying twice the

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money for it, you wouldn't complain because you

344
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go, well, yeah, it's pretty good value.

345
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Right.

346
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I think the price probably scares people because

347
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they look at the price and go, well,

348
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what's wrong with that?

349
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I'll be honest, another thing particularly about the

350
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NT-1 and the 1A, I really don't

351
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like the way they look.

352
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They look, you know, sorry, Rode, but I

353
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just think they look cheap.

354
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They look consumer.

355
00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:23,380
Yeah, yeah.

356
00:11:23,660 --> 00:11:25,620
Yeah, they look really just like, ah, we

357
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just like took a, you know, just banged

358
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a basket out of a wire mesh and

359
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put it on the top with a piece

360
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of foam inside there.

361
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It just, it looks kind of...

362
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The chassis is very lightweight as well.

363
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You know, it's not a very thick brass,

364
00:11:39,940 --> 00:11:41,780
you know, machine chassis.

365
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But it sounds good.

366
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It punches above its price point, you know.

367
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I think the best thing they did with

368
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the NT-1 was to do the black

369
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version of it.

370
00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:51,240
Yeah, and they have the fifth gen in

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black and in the nickel or whatever they

372
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call it, the finished nickel.

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And they made the one that has that

374
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really nice built-in pop screen to the

375
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mount, right?

376
00:12:00,060 --> 00:12:00,640
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

377
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Yeah, that was a nice thing too.

378
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That was the 1 or the 1A that

379
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they did that with?

380
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That was the 1.

381
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That was the 1, yeah.

382
00:12:06,860 --> 00:12:08,060
Well, both of them actually, but the 1,

383
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it was also the kit, you know, the

384
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AI-1, the NT-1, which came with

385
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the shock mount and pop guard and everything.

386
00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:17,400
So at the end of this MixOnline review,

387
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there's a very, very final paragraph, kind of

388
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like a footer says, and this is again,

389
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written in 2004, I think.

390
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It says, five years ago, Rode built a

391
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20,000 square foot factory on the outskirts

392
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of Sydney, but there was a problem with

393
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the company's growth.

394
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It soon needed a larger operation.

395
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So again, as of 2004, last month, Rode

396
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began moving into a totally new 70,000

397
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square foot plant located in Silverwater.

398
00:12:45,300 --> 00:12:46,820
Yeah, it's just down the road from me.

399
00:12:47,100 --> 00:12:48,760
So this times out exactly as to like

400
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when they launched the new plant and this

401
00:12:51,540 --> 00:12:53,220
mic came along, you know, so that all

402
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makes a lot of sense.

403
00:12:54,680 --> 00:12:56,020
Actually, I've just something to figure out.

404
00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:57,560
You know how they make it so cheap?

405
00:12:58,200 --> 00:12:59,420
Because you know, the other thing that's in

406
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Silverwater is a prison.

407
00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:04,640
That makes a lot of sense.

408
00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:05,580
Plates and microphones.

409
00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:07,340
Yeah, they do number plates and microphones.

410
00:13:07,340 --> 00:13:08,520
Number plates and microphones.

411
00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:09,080
Yeah.

412
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And here's your bread and water for the

413
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day.

414
00:13:14,540 --> 00:13:14,880
Yeah, yeah.

415
00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:19,400
I've seen some occasional Friedman interviews and yeah,

416
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that might track as the kids say.

417
00:13:22,940 --> 00:13:23,380
Yeah.

418
00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:24,360
They're bloody good mics.

419
00:13:24,500 --> 00:13:26,840
I mean, Rode in general are bloody good

420
00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:26,940
mics.

421
00:13:26,940 --> 00:13:27,160
Of course they are.

422
00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:27,800
Good stuff.

423
00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:28,820
Yeah, it's a good company.

424
00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,460
I will never ever say someone don't get

425
00:13:31,460 --> 00:13:33,740
a Rode as a starter mic, you know,

426
00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,640
because it's just proven itself consistently.

427
00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,560
The consistency, that's the thing when you're looking

428
00:13:39,560 --> 00:13:40,820
at these budget level mics.

429
00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:42,520
Yeah, there's a lot coming from China and

430
00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,400
there's a lot, there's like a company that

431
00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,860
sells the Stellar X2, which has gotten very

432
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popular on Amazon.

433
00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,120
And I'm like, listen, you guys, these mics

434
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are mass produced in China and they don't

435
00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:54,760
go through a really good burn in.

436
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They don't get tested properly at the factory.

437
00:13:57,140 --> 00:13:58,260
They don't get matched.

438
00:13:58,400 --> 00:13:59,620
You really don't know what you're getting.

439
00:13:59,980 --> 00:14:01,180
You really, really don't.

440
00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,060
So you might save a little bit of

441
00:14:03,060 --> 00:14:06,860
money, but now with Rode building mics, essentially

442
00:14:06,860 --> 00:14:11,220
with robotic factories that can do identical parts

443
00:14:11,220 --> 00:14:12,220
and consistently.

444
00:14:12,820 --> 00:14:14,480
If I'm looking at two mics and I'm

445
00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,620
deciding between something in China and Rode, I'm

446
00:14:16,620 --> 00:14:17,380
going to go with the Rode.

447
00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:18,180
Absolutely.

448
00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:20,220
I mean, Peter Friedman, you've got to take

449
00:14:20,220 --> 00:14:20,800
your hat off to him.

450
00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:22,800
He kicked off with a tiny shop that

451
00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,440
his dad had doing electronics in Sydney and

452
00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:27,260
he's built this empire.

453
00:14:27,460 --> 00:14:27,800
Absolutely.

454
00:14:28,500 --> 00:14:29,380
And still growing.

455
00:14:29,740 --> 00:14:29,900
Yep.

456
00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,680
Still growing and they own...

457
00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:33,600
Apex.

458
00:14:34,580 --> 00:14:36,380
Right, they bought the Apex brand a while

459
00:14:36,380 --> 00:14:36,700
ago.

460
00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:38,640
They have Mackie now.

461
00:14:39,580 --> 00:14:40,520
I'm curious to see what happens.

462
00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:41,440
Oh, Event.

463
00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:42,240
Event, yeah.

464
00:14:42,820 --> 00:14:44,960
Well, you know the biggest thing they have

465
00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:46,160
on their side is the fact that they're

466
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Aussies, really.

467
00:14:47,140 --> 00:14:47,760
Let's be honest.

468
00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:49,700
I know you think that they couldn't do

469
00:14:49,700 --> 00:14:51,240
it at all, but somehow...

470
00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,060
Yes, every microphone is delivered in a pouch.

471
00:14:57,220 --> 00:15:00,340
So Andrew, to round out this episode and

472
00:15:00,340 --> 00:15:03,100
to answer Big Baz's question, as the only

473
00:15:03,100 --> 00:15:05,120
person who's used one of these suckers, would

474
00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:06,700
you recommend it for a voiceover mic?

475
00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:08,040
Would I recommend it?

476
00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:08,980
Let's put it this way.

477
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If you walked into a studio and it

478
00:15:10,260 --> 00:15:11,620
was there, would you be horrified?

479
00:15:11,620 --> 00:15:13,600
Actually, I'm going to pose a harder question

480
00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,100
for Andrew that we might have to remove

481
00:15:15,100 --> 00:15:16,020
from the podcast.

482
00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:18,980
You got 600 bucks.

483
00:15:19,100 --> 00:15:20,520
Do you buy this thing or an OC

484
00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:20,880
-18?

485
00:15:21,580 --> 00:15:22,680
I'd buy the OC-18.

486
00:15:23,700 --> 00:15:25,520
Okay, but if you had one of these,

487
00:15:25,900 --> 00:15:28,420
which Barry does, clearly, would you be happy

488
00:15:28,420 --> 00:15:32,020
to use it as your microphone if that's

489
00:15:32,020 --> 00:15:32,360
what you had?

490
00:15:32,860 --> 00:15:34,460
Well, I've used them before, as I said,

491
00:15:34,700 --> 00:15:37,120
in that studio and I didn't have a

492
00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:37,580
problem with it.

493
00:15:37,620 --> 00:15:38,060
It sounded fine.

494
00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:40,100
Yeah, I wouldn't...

495
00:15:40,100 --> 00:15:41,420
They seem to be happy with it and

496
00:15:41,420 --> 00:15:42,360
it seems to work okay.

497
00:15:43,140 --> 00:15:44,160
There we go, Baz.

498
00:15:44,340 --> 00:15:46,140
So if you're Barry, you've got one, use

499
00:15:46,140 --> 00:15:46,300
it.

500
00:15:46,420 --> 00:15:47,480
I think that sounds like a tick of

501
00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:47,860
approval.

502
00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,100
You should have fast-forwarded to the end,

503
00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:50,300
Barry.

504
00:15:50,540 --> 00:15:51,740
It's got good specs.

505
00:15:52,140 --> 00:15:53,540
The question is, do you like the way

506
00:15:53,540 --> 00:15:53,920
it sounds?

507
00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:54,800
Because it's not noisy.

508
00:15:56,060 --> 00:15:58,400
And it's definitely versatile.

509
00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:02,020
That seems to be the main design goal.

510
00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:03,700
How about this?

511
00:16:03,980 --> 00:16:05,760
I can't name one other mic besides the

512
00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:07,680
tube mic that's got a completely variable pattern

513
00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:09,400
and I don't know any mic that has

514
00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,240
a completely variable high-pass filter.

515
00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,760
There's a weird US maker called CAD, and

516
00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:18,400
they do one with a variable pattern knob

517
00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:18,880
on it.

518
00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:21,840
It's a really, really inexpensive mic.

519
00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,160
Most CADs are pretty budget-oriented as well.

520
00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,380
It's like the sub-$200 price range.

521
00:16:27,980 --> 00:16:29,600
CAD was early on.

522
00:16:29,660 --> 00:16:32,140
They kind of busted the large diaphragm mic

523
00:16:32,140 --> 00:16:35,120
price point slightly before China did.

524
00:16:35,780 --> 00:16:37,740
Their mics were made in China, I think,

525
00:16:37,820 --> 00:16:38,200
at the time.

526
00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:39,880
Was it the E-100?

527
00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:40,700
Is that the one?

528
00:16:40,780 --> 00:16:41,840
The E-100's US.

529
00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:42,860
It's US-made.

530
00:16:43,380 --> 00:16:44,860
And they have a new one called the

531
00:16:44,860 --> 00:16:45,160
S.

532
00:16:45,580 --> 00:16:46,980
Well, the newer one's the S, then the

533
00:16:46,980 --> 00:16:47,540
SX.

534
00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,580
But in 1996, when the E-100 came

535
00:16:50,580 --> 00:16:52,040
out, it was like, do you want to

536
00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,660
spend $800 on a 414 or more?

537
00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:56,820
There were way less choices back then.

538
00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:58,940
Way less in 1996.

539
00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:01,640
And that was the only large diaphragm I

540
00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,619
can think of besides maybe the AKG C3000

541
00:17:04,619 --> 00:17:08,380
that was sort of affordable.

542
00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:09,700
Yeah, that's right.

543
00:17:10,300 --> 00:17:11,920
And even then, those were probably still like,

544
00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:13,839
I bet you that CAD at the time

545
00:17:13,839 --> 00:17:16,940
was probably like $400 at the time, I

546
00:17:16,940 --> 00:17:17,140
bet.

547
00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:18,800
We could do a whole episode on the

548
00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,440
CAD mic, because that's a very weird mic

549
00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:27,359
in that it's a medium diaphragm, supercardioid, electret

550
00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:28,060
condenser.

551
00:17:29,220 --> 00:17:30,500
But it does use phantom.

552
00:17:30,940 --> 00:17:31,680
It does use phantom.

553
00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:35,740
The E-100 came with batteries internally, but

554
00:17:35,740 --> 00:17:37,340
they would eventually go bad as usual.

555
00:17:37,740 --> 00:17:39,080
And then you could run them on phantom.

556
00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,360
And then the 100S just has no batteries.

557
00:17:41,980 --> 00:17:42,180
Yeah.

558
00:17:42,300 --> 00:17:45,120
I remember having a 300, which was like

559
00:17:45,120 --> 00:17:48,480
a really big mic.

560
00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:50,360
I honestly didn't like it much.

561
00:17:50,620 --> 00:17:52,020
But at that time, I worked at a

562
00:17:52,020 --> 00:17:57,600
studio that had an AT4033, which was another

563
00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,360
mic that kind of busted the large diaphragm

564
00:18:00,360 --> 00:18:01,020
price point.

565
00:18:01,940 --> 00:18:04,460
And I do remember liking the 4033 better

566
00:18:04,460 --> 00:18:05,300
than the CAD.

567
00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:07,320
But the CAD looked a hell of a

568
00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:07,680
lot better.

569
00:18:07,820 --> 00:18:09,300
20 years ago when I was buying, well,

570
00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:13,480
let's say 25-ish mics, 25-ish years

571
00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,460
ago when I started buying mics in earnest,

572
00:18:16,540 --> 00:18:19,540
you bought AKGs, you bought Audio Technicas.

573
00:18:19,740 --> 00:18:20,960
If you were lucky, you could buy a

574
00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:21,640
Neumann or two.

575
00:18:22,220 --> 00:18:24,080
And then you bought MXLs.

576
00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:25,380
Or Shures.

577
00:18:25,500 --> 00:18:27,800
You could get Shures for some of their

578
00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:29,200
dynamics.

579
00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:31,920
And the 81s were always good performers for

580
00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:32,460
the most part.

581
00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:33,800
And then RØDE came up, and then RØDE

582
00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,320
was another interesting, hmm, what's this RØDE thing?

583
00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:38,480
And there weren't that many options.

584
00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,760
Now it's a dizzying, dizzying array.

585
00:18:42,060 --> 00:18:45,220
I don't know how these companies compete anymore.

586
00:18:45,220 --> 00:18:46,900
But at the same time, there were not

587
00:18:46,900 --> 00:18:47,500
many options.

588
00:18:47,620 --> 00:18:48,940
But if you think about it now, most

589
00:18:48,940 --> 00:18:50,220
of these mics are all made out of

590
00:18:50,220 --> 00:18:51,100
the same stuff.

591
00:18:51,900 --> 00:18:53,660
They're all coming out of the same factories,

592
00:18:53,660 --> 00:18:55,460
and they're buying their diaphragms from the same

593
00:18:55,460 --> 00:18:56,740
pile.

594
00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,560
They just pump these diaphragms out like they're

595
00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:01,740
cookies.

596
00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,020
But very few microphones are original.

597
00:19:05,220 --> 00:19:06,920
Most of them are kind of a clone

598
00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:07,840
or a semi-clone.

599
00:19:08,300 --> 00:19:08,660
Yes.

600
00:19:09,180 --> 00:19:11,920
Yeah, I mean, the 87 is probably the

601
00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:13,220
most cloned mic.

602
00:19:13,740 --> 00:19:17,440
And then what, the 57 and the 58

603
00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:18,760
are very cloned.

604
00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:20,500
C12 would be cloned.

605
00:19:20,700 --> 00:19:22,240
C12's cloned a lot, yeah.

606
00:19:23,060 --> 00:19:25,600
Probably not as much as like the 87

607
00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,940
and the, you know, like all those Chinese

608
00:19:28,940 --> 00:19:31,040
clones, they really went after the stuff that

609
00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,620
sells the most, you know.

610
00:19:34,380 --> 00:19:36,260
The studio clones are like Peluso.

611
00:19:36,460 --> 00:19:38,400
Those guys were cloning the big stuff, like

612
00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:42,600
the C12 and the U47s and the FET47s.

613
00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:46,480
Well, yeah, there's clones like Peluso clones, and

614
00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,460
then there's like really, really cheap Chinese clones.

615
00:19:48,460 --> 00:19:49,180
There's rip-offs.

616
00:19:49,180 --> 00:19:51,880
Yeah, there's rip-offs, yeah, that sound nothing

617
00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:52,960
like what they're trying to do.

618
00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:54,120
They just look a bit like it.

619
00:19:54,360 --> 00:19:56,520
But, I mean, you're talking about Telefunken, you

620
00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:56,940
know, now.

621
00:19:57,220 --> 00:19:58,720
They're a clone factory.

622
00:19:59,360 --> 00:20:00,340
It's not the real Telefunken.

623
00:20:00,340 --> 00:20:01,440
It's just like they bought the name.

624
00:20:01,780 --> 00:20:02,980
I mean, they're in Connecticut.

625
00:20:03,340 --> 00:20:04,300
They're in the wrong country.

626
00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,900
They don't speak the right language for making

627
00:20:06,900 --> 00:20:07,540
those microphones.

628
00:20:07,900 --> 00:20:09,060
But they seem to be good mics.

629
00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,900
I've got a, what the hell is it,

630
00:20:11,940 --> 00:20:14,640
the 47?

631
00:20:15,620 --> 00:20:17,260
Is it called the AK47 or something like

632
00:20:17,260 --> 00:20:17,360
that?

633
00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:18,640
AK47 or something.

634
00:20:20,060 --> 00:20:20,460
Sorry.

635
00:20:20,620 --> 00:20:23,540
It sounds really good, though.

636
00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:25,620
It sounds like my Sound Deluxe, which is

637
00:20:25,620 --> 00:20:27,960
like a really good 67 clone, like a

638
00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:29,420
really accurate 67 clone.

639
00:20:30,020 --> 00:20:33,440
And that Telefunken, it's pretty good.

640
00:20:33,740 --> 00:20:34,500
It's not bad.

641
00:20:34,580 --> 00:20:37,120
And it's definitely like, you know, more marketing

642
00:20:37,120 --> 00:20:38,420
than microphone possibly.

643
00:20:38,860 --> 00:20:40,840
Well, when they first started doing them, because

644
00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,500
I went down to, a guy said to

645
00:20:43,500 --> 00:20:44,320
me, you've got to go and check this

646
00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:45,980
microphone out, because he'd heard it and said,

647
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:47,020
go and find out what it is.

648
00:20:47,020 --> 00:20:49,200
And I wandered in and I just bought

649
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,460
the reissue of the Telefunken U47.

650
00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:53,660
Who is this, Peluso?

651
00:20:54,500 --> 00:20:55,740
No, this is Telefunken.

652
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:56,560
Oh, yeah.

653
00:20:57,020 --> 00:20:57,660
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

654
00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,480
Because they were, you know, like in, I

655
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,480
think in America, the U47 was branded Telefunken.

656
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,500
Well, the U47 was branded Telefunken in America,

657
00:21:08,780 --> 00:21:09,080
right?

658
00:21:09,300 --> 00:21:09,800
Yeah, yeah.

659
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:10,780
In the beginning, yeah.

660
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:11,660
Before it was Neumann.

661
00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:13,480
It was Neumann everywhere else, but Telefunken.

662
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:18,020
And also the 251 was like an AKG.

663
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,300
There's some weird things in there, like the

664
00:21:20,300 --> 00:21:22,020
251 is sort of like a C12, I

665
00:21:22,020 --> 00:21:22,660
think, or something.

666
00:21:23,260 --> 00:21:25,720
It was C12, the Alarm 251, yeah.

667
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,780
But that was branded as AKG.

668
00:21:29,780 --> 00:21:31,640
And was it Telefunken or was it somebody

669
00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:31,760
else?

670
00:21:31,780 --> 00:21:33,800
No, no, the 251 was Telefunken and then

671
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:39,580
the AKG was the, but Telefunken, AKG made

672
00:21:39,580 --> 00:21:42,640
the 251, like one company, because Telefunken was

673
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,580
really like a marketing company back then.

674
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,000
So they were going to other companies to

675
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,600
make their, like they'd commission a microphone and

676
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:50,820
say, hey, we want to make a microphone

677
00:21:50,820 --> 00:21:52,320
for this market.

678
00:21:52,780 --> 00:21:54,100
It was just a way for Neumann to

679
00:21:54,100 --> 00:21:55,660
get their microphones into America.

680
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:58,880
I've got a feeling that some other companies,

681
00:21:59,020 --> 00:22:02,180
like a Westinghouse or someone like that also

682
00:22:02,180 --> 00:22:04,820
had, they were badging up microphones.

683
00:22:05,900 --> 00:22:08,840
They were selling their product but being rebadged

684
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,440
in different territories, mainly North America.

685
00:22:12,340 --> 00:22:13,800
And of course Telefunken was one, but I'm

686
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,000
sure there was some other, someone's obviously listening

687
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,400
to this and if you do know what

688
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,240
I'm talking about, which is unusual and makes

689
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:25,200
you unique, leave us a message of what

690
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:25,860
that company was.

691
00:22:25,860 --> 00:22:27,220
There was an importing company who brought all

692
00:22:27,220 --> 00:22:29,640
the Neumanns in in the early days called,

693
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,280
what's the Batman city for New York?

694
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:33,780
Gotham.

695
00:22:34,180 --> 00:22:34,660
Gotham.

696
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,280
There was a company that did all the

697
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,500
importing for Neumann, but they were still Neumann

698
00:22:40,500 --> 00:22:44,760
mics, but everything had Gotham stickers and Gotham

699
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,340
labeling all over it.

700
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:47,460
And this has nothing to do with the

701
00:22:47,460 --> 00:22:50,700
Gothams that make mic cables, and it's another

702
00:22:50,700 --> 00:22:51,640
Gotham, I guess.

703
00:22:51,660 --> 00:22:52,780
I didn't know that one, yeah.

704
00:22:54,020 --> 00:22:55,760
This is how the tangents work.

705
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:56,720
Yeah.

706
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:57,960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

707
00:22:58,580 --> 00:23:00,600
Yeah, yeah, but I think I'm confused with

708
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,460
Westinghouse because I've got a feeling Westinghouse was

709
00:23:03,460 --> 00:23:05,660
the company that made the first microphones for

710
00:23:05,660 --> 00:23:06,140
the BBC.

711
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,120
Yes, and Westinghouse actually made the first American.

712
00:23:10,260 --> 00:23:12,380
I believe it was either Westinghouse or RCA,

713
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,500
but I think it was Westinghouse that when

714
00:23:14,500 --> 00:23:17,600
Neumann was making condensers, Westinghouse was messing with

715
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,460
condensers in the early 30s.

716
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,680
Buy a microphone, get a free washing machine.

717
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:22,700
Is that what was going on?

718
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:23,480
Yeah, yeah.

719
00:23:23,580 --> 00:23:23,900
Right.

720
00:23:25,100 --> 00:23:27,360
And the Maytag guy would come and fix

721
00:23:27,360 --> 00:23:28,060
your microphone.

722
00:23:30,180 --> 00:23:32,680
Washing machine and microphone repairs on the side

723
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:33,060
of the truck.

724
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:34,040
Yeah, that's right.

725
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:35,060
There you go.

726
00:23:35,060 --> 00:23:36,300
Yeah, there you go.

727
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:36,960
There's the out.

728
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:38,300
All right.

729
00:23:38,500 --> 00:23:39,220
There's a weird tangent.

730
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:40,300
I'm going to go and do my washing.

731
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:42,780
Go and suck your jocks.

732
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,140
Go and suck my capsules.

733
00:23:46,220 --> 00:23:47,960
Smells like Andrew's breath.

734
00:23:49,580 --> 00:23:50,920
You go and lick a microphone.

735
00:23:53,740 --> 00:23:54,820
Is that the one he licks?

736
00:23:56,220 --> 00:23:57,280
Well, that was fun.

737
00:23:57,360 --> 00:23:57,720
Is it over?

738
00:23:59,060 --> 00:24:00,580
The Pro Audio Suite.

739
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:01,820
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740
00:24:01,980 --> 00:24:03,320
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741
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,060
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742
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:06,960
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743
00:24:07,100 --> 00:24:09,120
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744
00:24:09,220 --> 00:24:11,340
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745
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746
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