The Hidden World of Loopers: Voices Behind the Scenes

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Wisdom, founder of Source Elements Robert
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Now today
we have a couple of special guests.

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Ryan Bartley and Justin Shinjiro.

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And the reason we've got them
is because George was out one day.

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I was outside. Concert and heard them.

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Talk so loud out of my building,
and I was well into that building.

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I think it's because the doors are open.

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They couldn't stop me from walking in.

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No, I was sitting there.

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I went to see a client and friend
in our industry here.

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Debbie Dairy Berry
and her really funny, fun acoustic group.

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They call themselves honey Pig.

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And apparently you guys know Debbie, too,
because you were there.

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Yes. Yeah.

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Well, yeah, I met Debbie,
right before that, actually,

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at a, convention,
like an anime or a guest.

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Just a pop culture convention.

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That we were both guests at,

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and, and I went up to her to meet her
because she is one of the people

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I've always looked up to,
and she was so warm and welcoming,

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and she gave me, I wanted,
like, a one of her, her prints, you know,

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with her headshot and her characters
and all that to hang in my studio.

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And she was so happy to give that to me.

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And I also wanted to tell her

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she had, made appearances on the picket
line during the video game strike.

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Yeah.

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And I just thought that was setting
such a good example.

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And, you know,
so many of us in the next generation,

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we all look up to her, you know,
and I wanted to tell her that in person,

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that that really meant a lot
to see her out there.

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And and,
marching alongside us and everything and.

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Yeah. So.
And then she invited me to her show.

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So I had to make an appearance at this.

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But then it turns out that she's playing
with one of my other friends,

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one of the other actresses, because it's,
three voice actresses in this band.

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Debbie Dewberry and Brenda lasted,
and Stephanie Sullivan and Stephanie

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and I were friends already.
So that was nice.

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I got, you know, an excuse to see
all of them play, and they were wonderful.

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They did such a good job.
How about you, judge? Excellent.

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Well, that's a very cool story.

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Way more than my story. I loved it.

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I've actually known Debbie
for a long, long time.

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She was just a guest on my podcast,
which you can check out of drops July 4th.

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Established in the 90s, were all about
nostalgia and kind of the 90s decade.

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And Debbie and I worked on a cartoon
many moons ago

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called life with Louie, which was on Fox.

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I played, a bully character
and Louie Anderson's best friend.

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It was based on kind of Louie Anderson
as a kid, the comedian, who's hilarious.

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And Debbie was in the cartoon, too.

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So we've worked together for years
and known each other, and she's

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just an absolute love and so brilliantly
talented, so funny and so great.

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So yeah, I was just there

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like Ryan supporting her and her band and,
you know, showing her some love.

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Excellent. Nice.

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Now the question is, of course,
because we were talking George

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actually sent us all an email saying,
I've met these two guys,

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that do a lot of looping.

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They've been doing voice acting since
they were kids and all this kind of stuff.

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So I don't know who wants to go first,
but what is your background

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and when did you start? You.

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I feel like you should go first. Me?

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Yeah. Oh, wow. All right. Well.

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I started at the ripe
old age of five and a half.

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Wow. And,
my first commercial was for Mattel,

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and I actually was flying in a harness,
which was a lot of fun.

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So I got to fly.

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And then when they'd say cut,
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and take as many Chips
Ahoy cookies as possible,

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which is great.

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So yeah, I started back
then as, as an older fella and kind of

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did the trajectory of most actors
when they're starting commercials.

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And then I got into voiceover
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on camera through guest spots reoccurring.

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I did a couple series regulars
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So been in the business
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And also very fortunate to do looping
and just love it.

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You know, we as actors,
we wear many hats and we direct, we write,

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we have podcasts, we do voiceover,
we do it all. Yes.

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Especially nowadays, you know.

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That's right.

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I mean, I don't.

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Before we get to Ryan,
I want to ask you, like,

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just from a very personal perspective,

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my daughter pretty much bailed on it
about the age you started.

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So she started as a baby.

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Was she a Gerber
baby? She. Well, she could have been,

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Not quite.

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We submitted her.

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I think she was one and a half.

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And then we submitted her again when she
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And they accepted her, and she was doing
print commercial,

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you know, that kind of stuff.

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But it was the

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it was the getting shuttled around town,
and my mom's on, her mom's unconditioned,

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air conditioned car listening to her mom
complain about traffic

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and just the the the whole thing
of being at that whole process.

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What do you remember of that? At that?

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Oh, it's a schlep.

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I remember exactly what you just
described, but, yeah, it was,

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but you made it through somehow.

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I mean, you're but I. Enjoyed. It.

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Yeah, like with my mom and dad. Got me in.

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And then, unfortunately,
my dad passed away when I was young,

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and so it was just
my mom taking me to auditions

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and taking me to acting class,
and she was amazing.

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Wow. And. But it was a schlep.

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I mean, we lived in Redondo Beach,
which is like an hour

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and a half from where all the auditions
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And so I do my homework in the car,
get to the audition,

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you know, finish my homework on the way
back, we'd maybe stop at the hard rock

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when the hard rock was big and get
a burger and a milkshake and some fries.

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So it was.

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Yeah, right after school,
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to getting home at about 7:38 p.m.

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pretty much every day.

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And,
that was at school, sports and acting.

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The hard Rock cafe.

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You really are a 90s child, aren't you?

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Oh, yeah.

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Full 90s.

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Lots of hard rock it was.

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Now, it's not even.

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There used to be the Beverly Center in LA.

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And now I think it's like a,
you know, a clothing store.

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Sydney, that used to be a Planet

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Hollywood and a hard rock,
and they're both gone, so. Yeah.

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Oh, yeah.

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I had some stock in Planet
Hollywood that went to stupid.

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Yeah. Who gave you that team? Right.

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Yeah.

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Not not
it wasn't Stallone. Let me tell you that.

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We did it.

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We did the opening wife
did the opening of, Planet Hollywood.

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What? Disco planet?

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What planet Hollywood, down
at the casino in Melbourne.

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And still I'm out for it.

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And it was so funny
because he's so freaking short,

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and there was a huge crowd.

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All you could see was a light light bulb
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that was filming him. Because you could.

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See Sylvester Stallone somewhere.

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Yeah, absolutely. That's cool.

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Come on, Ryan, give us your story.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So, I started acting as a kid doing,
like, theater productions.

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I did a lot of community.

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I started with community theater,
you know, and I used to take dance classes

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and, singing, and I played guitar
and mandolin as a kid, and and I just.

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I liked performing, you know, so, I,

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I kind of started

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doing voiceover
because I had an agent for on camera work,

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and I was I was based in Texas,

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and, and I started getting some voiceover

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auditions from my on camera agent
and thinking, oh, this is kind of fun.

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Like, this is, you know, kind of cool.

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And I don't think at the time I was yet
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oh, there's cartoons and there's
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because it started with sort of commercial
voiceover work, as I remember.

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And I, I auditioned to be on Radio
Disney Radio.

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I don't even know if Radio Disney
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I don't think it does, actually.

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But,
they used to use real kids to do their on

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air promos,
and it would be like Radio Disney.

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We're all ears.

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Like,
they're little, like, you know, 98.7.

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And they would have these kids,
these real kids do it.

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And promoting things
that were on like like

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The Cheetah Girls this Saturday
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like promoting those sort of spots
locally for all over the country.

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But they had a big office in Dallas.

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And so I auditioned a few years in a row.

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I remember,
like not getting picked several times.

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And they would have these open calls
at like, like one year it was at a movie

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theater, one year it was at the Texas
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So they'd be at like these public places,
you know, where you could come out

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with your whole family
and try to be on Radio Disney, you know?

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And it took me like a couple of years
to get this job, and I really wanted it.

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And then finally I got picked and,
and then I kind of fell and I

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that was kind of around the time

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I decided, like, I want to do voiceover,
you know, I like this.

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I'm having a lot of fun doing this.

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And I'm starting to get jobs doing this.

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And I started taking classes, in
animation, like, not to be an animator.

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I mean, like voiceover classes
for voiceover in it, in animation. And,

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there's a teacher, a coach out here in LA

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named Tony Gonzalez that specializes
in teaching children voiceover.

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And he teaches all the kid stars
on all the things that kids are stars

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of, you know, and, has a lot
of really successful clients.

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And he was one of my first voiceover
coaches.

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And I think he was coming back

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and forth between Texas and L.A., like,
he would do workshops in Texas sometimes.

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And I was coming out to LA from Texas
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to audition for at the time,
on camera work as well as voiceover.

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But, he helped me,

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find my first representation
in voiceover.

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And, and he then I was
I was auditioning for voiceover.

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Even when I wasn't in LA,
they would send me these auditions

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and I would record myself and
and send it back.

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Or I think at the time I would,

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you know, have to go to Dallas
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or something to record myself
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the the home microphones
or anything like we do nowadays.

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But anyway, I was basically

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doing these auditions from Texas thinking,
if I book something, I'll come to L.A.

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and do the job, you know?

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And I did booked a little bit
as a as a, like, as a teenager,

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a couple commercials here and there.

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You know, it's always slow starting out
and, just dreaming

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of working in animation,
you know, and I just kept at it.

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I took a lot of classes for many,
many years.

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I went to an arts
magnet high school in Dallas,

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Booker T Washington High School
for the Performing and Visual Arts.

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Really,
really great, arts magnet high school.

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And then I graduated early
and moved to LA to pursue acting.

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And I took a look like what would have
been my senior year of high school.

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Took it off, tried to tried to audition
and, you know, be on that grind.

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You know, like I went to USC film school,
like when I would have normally,

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if I had gone to high school
all four years.

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So I went to USC, went to film school,

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and, continued to pursue acting

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and do voiceover auditions,
while I was in college,

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and it was still really slow
to start getting jobs.

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But eventually, you know,
I just kept at it

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and kept making connections
and taking classes and getting better.

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And you're too. Stubborn. You're just.

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Yeah.

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So now you know,

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now I have a career full time in voiceover
and I do a lot of anime dubbing.

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I do a lot of,
loop group work with Justin,

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which I'm sure we'll get into,
but I do a lot of video games

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and, I'm in the Sonic
the Hedgehog franchise now.

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It's one of the latest Sonic games,
wrote Doctor Robotnik.

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Eggman, Sonic's nemesis,
has developed himself an AI daughter.

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Her name is sage,
so I'm now in the in the Sonic I.

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I'm his daughter. Yeah.

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Can I make a confession?

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When you talk about Sonic the Hedgehog?
Yeah,

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I was out in the garage on the weekend,
and I found my old Nintendo 64.

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Do you know what I was doing last night?

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I was playing
Sonic the Hedgehog on my 1992 Nintendo 64.

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That is very cool.

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You get a lot of Gen
Z people very jealous.

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I also love that,
I love that, that's very cool.

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Well, now I'm in the Sonic the Hedgehog
franchise, which is a dream come true,

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but I'm in also.

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I'm in so many things
that I'm proud to talk about.

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I'm in the hello Kitty friend

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I'm pump pumper in, which is one of
Hello Kitty's friends is the Yellow Dog.

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And we have a series called
hello Kitty and friends

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super cute adventures that send.

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It's like, I want to say 11th
or 12th season or something like that.

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Yeah.

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And then,
and then I'm just so happy to be in

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lots of cool things that I'm really proud
about and happy to talk about.

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But we're here to talk about looping. So.

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Hey. I've got a serious question for you.

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Yeah, yeah.

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You talked about like,
you know, how difficult it was to get in.

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And there's a lot of people who listen

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to our show who want to be voiceover
artists and want to get more work.

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Yeah.

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How important is tenacity
in terms of never giving up,

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never going
oh well look I'm not going to get there.

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How important was that
to get you where you were today?

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I mean, I have you have to you have to
truly believe that you can do this.

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And it takes it really does take years.

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I remember even when I was training with,
the person that I mentioned, Tony

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Gonzalez, that,
you know, teaches kids even back then,

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he told us it takes about ten years
to get established in this.

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And he was right.

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I mean,

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it did can really take quite a long time
because the people that do it are so good.

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I mean, it's an incredibly competitive
industry to, to break into,

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and there's no egos.

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You can't get an ego.
Everyone's very replaceable.

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Everyone that's working is very,
very good.

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So everyone's very down to earth
and every, you know, you you have to

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just kind of be be good to work with,
be solid, be good at what you do.

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And, you know, just keep at it.

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Like it's just that's kind of the thing.

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I just saw an interview with Seth Rogen
where he was saying, you know,

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this is an industry where
if you keep at it, you might make it.

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If you don't, then you won't.

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And that's like, that is that's the bottom
line is like given enough time,

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if you try really hard,
this is a thing that's achievable.

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You know, and you also have to
I mean, there is the factor of luck,

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but I oh, you know, it's
one of those things where the harder

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I work, the luckier I get, you know,
I mean, that's

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so I always try to be prepared
for whatever's coming, but, but

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it's a wild West out there, you know, it's
it's it's a pretty crazy industry, but,

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you know, I'm thankful to be in it,
and I wouldn't want to do anything else.

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This is, you know, this is my dream. Oh,
there might be might be hope for me yet.

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36 years as an audio engineer. I'm like.

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Yes, any day now.

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Good good good good.

313
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No, it's interesting
because it is fueling them, isn't it?

314
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You're right.

315
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Absolutely. Yeah.

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You just bang,
bang, bang, bang into one of them.

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But it also never stops.

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I mean, you know, like I said, 36 years
as an audio engineer, I mean, I,

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you know, I didn't last that long
because I didn't sit.

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I just sat and rested on my laurels.

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It never stops the whole, you know.

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And it doesn't get easier.

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Like I tell people all the time, like, I'm
we still have to audition all the time.

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It's not like

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the next job is necessarily easier just
because you have established yourself.

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Finally, you know,

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every single time you're going up
against the best of the best, you know?

328
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So it is something you have to keep sharp
and keep proving yourself over and over

329
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and over again.

330
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Yeah.

331
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Even though and. You have to
you have to make sacrifices as well.

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Like big sacrifices.

333
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You know, the voices of,
like, really like, iconic characters

334
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who you think these
this is the voice of that character.

335
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You know, I think of Bob Bergen and Porky.

336
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Yeah. He he loses that role sometimes.

337
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He doesn't get that role automatically.

338
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That's not how it works.

339
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Yeah.

340
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I know he still has to audition
for guaranteed. Yeah.

341
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Nothing is guaranteed.

342
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Yeah, there's a new one.

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I think, actually, I forget the.

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His name, I.

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Believe, is the fellow Eric. Is his name
Eric? Yeah.

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Eric Bauza.

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Yeah.

348
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Yeah, he's kind of become the new one.

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Kind of of of, Looney Tunes.

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He just has that gift

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and they're like, if we can hire one guy
that's cheaper than hiring two.

352
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Yeah, that's right.

353
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My wife sent me a video last night
on Facebook.

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The guy who does the voice of Tigger
in Winnie the Pooh,

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and he had
he had his grandson, like, baby, like,

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you know,
six months old, sitting on his lap.

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And he was talking to him in Tigger voice.
It was so. Fun.

358
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Oh, it's one. Of those ones. You just go,
oh yeah, yeah.

359
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Yeah, it's Jim Cummings.

360
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Wow, that's really cool.

361
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Yeah. Jim he's he's done okay. Yeah.

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All right.

363
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Yeah yeah yeah.

364
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Audition.

365
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I'll tell you I get emails from him
I Scarlett doesn't work.

366
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No, I'm not kidding.

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He's on it.

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Scarlett. Really?

369
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Yeah. Wow. Jesus.

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You think he could do a bit better
than that? Wouldn't there?

371
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Maybe pay too much?

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Whatever it takes.

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It's sometimes simpler. Is better.

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As he always tell me he's Amish,
so you have to think like an Amish guy.

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Absolutely. So. So you. Got to feel.

376
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Sorry I take out.

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What was that I was.

378
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Going to say,
if you're Amish, good luck with that one.

379
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Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You got a pedal, pedal, pedal
your bike to power up source connect.

381
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So, guys, you you're you better feel.

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I seen the reason you're here is because
we wanted to talk about looping. So.

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So for the uninitiated, give us a 52nd
rendition of what looping is all about.

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All right, so if you see Spider-Man
flying across the sky

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and you hear all the pedestrians below
going, whoa, what was that?

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Did you see that? Look up there.

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All of that in every movie,
every TV show we're talking,

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every group crowd scene, every courtroom,
every mall, every food court.

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All the noises that you hear in
every movie and TV show is done

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in post-production
by voice actors called a loop group.

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Because on the set,
you know, you've heard quiet on set.

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They can't let these extras talk

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because they're recording principal
audio of the celebrities you know?

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So it's quiet on set.

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All the things you hear
are done in post-production.

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And that is what's called a loop group.

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It's voice actors,
and we're brought in to fill in all that.

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It can also be all sorts of other random
things, including fight efforts,

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kiss noises,
because a kiss like the smack,

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like a noise doesn't pick up on the mic
when, like when the actors are on

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set doing that.

402
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So we're just making out with our hands,
making that noise.

403
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They, you know, with a loop group.
Not with Foley.

404
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No. They basically vocal Foley
by the sounds.

405
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Yeah, we we do.

406
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Well it can be. Yeah.

407
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That part of it, you know.

408
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But and then I don't know
if Foley artists also

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sometimes do it,
I don't know I know that we do it.

410
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I know we do it sometimes in loop group.

411
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They, they do the sheets.

412
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And then it's also things like you,
like you.

413
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Yeah, they probably do.

414
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It's like they clean. Also things.

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I was going to say also for anybody
listening, not watching this because we're

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seeing each other on the video,
when Ryan's head making out with a hand,

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like you said.

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In hand. Yes.

419
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Just to be.

420
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Yeah.

421
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Yes. They,
But we also do, it can be things like,

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PPAs, over intercoms and hospitals.

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Yeah, it can be police radio.

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Any police radio that you hear in movies,
it can be, airline clean up

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edits for, say, they're going to put this
R-rated thing on the air

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on some airline, you know,
and they need you to pick up a line.

427
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So, like, for example,
I got into this part of voiceover

428
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by being cast as a voice match for,

429
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on camera, teeny teeny bopper
celebrity, basically.

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And she couldn't come in
to do whatever pick up they had.

431
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So they they needed a voice match.

432
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And the person that cast
that ran a loop group.

433
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And that's how I got,
into into that world.

434
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So it's also the people that would hire
the voice matches sometimes.

435
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Our loop group leaders. So.

436
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About particular stuff like, so like,
say there was,

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I don't know, like a hostage movie,
and you don't you never see the character,

438
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but there's a dude that's always on the,
the, the, the two way.

439
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Is that a loop group
or is that someone that

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they specifically cast,
or is it depends on the director?

441
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How does that sort of.

442
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Stuff depends on the director and depends
how many lines it is.

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So if it's not,
if it's not a ton of lines,

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they might trust the loop group leader
to bring in people on the day that do that

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are going to be in the loop group anyway,
and they will have that.

446
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A few different men do alts, of that.

447
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So a few different people
try takes of that.

448
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And then maybe the director wants
to decide who they're going to use later,

449
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when they're editing it.

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But if it's scripted in,
it's a lot like it's a bigger role then.

451
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Yeah, it could be
then like an actual role that is cast.

452
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And sometimes if it's just a voice over
role, a loop group leader might be in

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charge of casting that role.

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So but yeah, it's

455
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it kind of depends on the director's
preference sometimes.

456
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And then also,
how much are we talking about?

457
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Because if it's more than a couple lines,
they have to pay you more to set that up.

458
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At that point

459
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they're probably going to cast someone
and, you know, have auditions and stuff.

460
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Yeah sure.

461
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Okay.

462
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So how many times do you do

463
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you fit in a goofy line
there, like make a conversation?

464
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It's like all this big wallah
and then you're like,

465
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oh my God,
did you see the zit on her face?

466
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Look at the size of this.
My God, that's massive.

467
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Yeah, yeah.

468
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,720
Just do you want to take that? Like.

469
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Not too often because we want. You must.

470
00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:40,800
Yeah.

471
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,600
Come on Justin, you look like our point.

472
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,520
Our our purpose is to blend
in, not seek out.

473
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:47,120
You know what I mean?

474
00:21:47,120 --> 00:21:50,760
So it's like we have to it's almost like
it's it's all improv for the most part.

475
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,520
Every once in a while,
there's a scripted line.

476
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,080
They call that a specific.

477
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,280
Or, you know, they might tell you
we have a scripted moment, right?

478
00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:58,960
But a lot of it is improv.

479
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,160
But your job is basically to do
unfunny improv.

480
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,520
This is like,
don't draw attention to yourself.

481
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,400
Like, keep it neutral, keep it nerdy.

482
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:10,520
It's nondescript, you know, and blend
into the world so that you don't.

483
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:14,240
Cause when you you want it, if it's good,
you won't notice it,

484
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:15,880
that it's one of those kind of things.

485
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,320
So it's like if it if it pokes out,
then you're maybe not doing it right.

486
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:20,440
That's what she said.

487
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:20,680
Like, do.

488
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,160
You almost find that if you literally
don't use real words, you can

489
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,640
you can go more into the background
than if you are real?

490
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,160
Well, they call they have
there's a name for that.

491
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:30,640
It's called Chomsky.

492
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:34,040
And it's like where your mush mouth like,
well, is here

493
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:35,560
or mine and I quite like it.

494
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,640
And some peop,
some directors actually prefer that.

495
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:39,960
Believe it or not, there's some,

496
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:44,400
there's some shows stylistically
they prefer that sound.

497
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,960
What's, what's it called again
Chomsky. Chomsky.

498
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:47,280
What is it?

499
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,760
Justin Chomsky chatter. Chomsky.

500
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,440
So it's more like a wala as opposed to
actual specific words that you're saying.

501
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:55,360
You just kind of mama.

502
00:22:55,360 --> 00:22:56,840
It's like, yeah, it's like,

503
00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:00,440
imagine if you had marbles in your mouth,
so you're not fully making out the words.

504
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,360
So it's just really good
to kind of blend into the background.

505
00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:06,240
And that doesn't fight the dialog so much.

506
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,360
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's like speaking in words. Yeah.

507
00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:12,920
But not quite as And I mean,
speaking in tongues and tongues.

508
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,160
Right, right, right. Speaking in tongues.
Speaking in tongues.

509
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:16,720
But I was going to say it's speaking.

510
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:18,920
I don't do that person.

511
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:20,680
It's kind of like. A mush mouth for. Sure.

512
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,920
We're all, I'm wearing one of our choir.

513
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,440
Or like, it's kind of that thing.

514
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:26,440
Yeah. It's like talking to my.

515
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,440
Teenage, like me on the weekend.
Yeah. Okay.

516
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,760
So fun that the question comes for me
then.

517
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,560
Are you doing this in studio
or are you doing this in location?

518
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,360
Like if it's Spider-Man
on the side of the building,

519
00:23:36,360 --> 00:23:38,240
are you in an alleyway somewhere,

520
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,280
or is it all done in studio
and then sort of matched up later?

521
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:42,120
How do they do that?

522
00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:43,920
Yeah, they're not
they're not paying for this on set.

523
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,160
And yeah,
this is like on it on a soundstage.

524
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,640
But I have been asked to go outside
for certain cues,

525
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,840
depending on the,
the editors preferences.

526
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,040
I was going to say as an editor,
this like outside stuff recorded outside.

527
00:23:57,120 --> 00:23:58,000
Sometimes they do.

528
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,520
So I worked on, Joker two folly, ladoo

529
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,720
or and we did record a few scenes outside

530
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,520
because we were recording on the lot
on Warner Brothers and weird.

531
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,600
You know how there's mob scenes and Joker,
all these people outside

532
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,240
chanting and stuff. So, yeah,
we did a couple cues out.

533
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:18,160
I don't know if what we recorded
made, made if that version of those

534
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,240
takes made the cut, but yeah,
but yes, it's a stylistic choice.

535
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,760
It depends on what the sound
designer want.

536
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,640
It's just because it's so hard.

537
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,200
It's so hard to make something inside
sound outside.

538
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,480
Absolutely.
With the best sound stages. Yeah.

539
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:36,320
But at 99.99999%,
you're shooting at a stage.

540
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,760
Yeah. And because it's. Controlled,
that's the thing.

541
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,840
You've got your airplanes
going over old car horns or whatever.

542
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:42,440
Yeah that's right.

543
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:42,840
It's fine.

544
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,840
When we do go outside,
it's like you're taking a field trip.

545
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,000
It's like,
oh, now we're doing something different.

546
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,680
Like,
this is kind of exciting and different.

547
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,000
They have to get a boom, you know?

548
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,760
Now bring your lunch, kids,
and bring your.

549
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,760
Bring your water bottle. Yeah, yeah.

550
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,200
Do you guys milk
because of the sun. Yeah. Is it like, oh

551
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:00,560
no. No

552
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,960
we I mean I think we leave that
for like the end of the day kind of thing.

553
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:05,080
Yeah, yeah.

554
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:06,560
So come on Namedrop both of you.

555
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,400
Anything, anything big that we know.

556
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,920
No, no,
not that we heard you in. But what?

557
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,240
You know, where would I. Want to hear?

558
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,760
Yeah.
What are some of your coolest ones? Just.

559
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:15,640
Yeah. Come on, let's go.

560
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,080
I have I have a fun one.

561
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,680
I was in, I actually,
this is way back in the day.

562
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,120
I got called to come in to do
good Will hunting, and.

563
00:25:24,120 --> 00:25:27,280
Oh, just because Gus Van
Sant was directing it.

564
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,000
And I was actually a,
you know, a huge fan of of him.

565
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,320
I didn't know the any of the actors in it
because they were just beginning

566
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,360
and we had to audition.

567
00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:37,520
It was Eric Von Denton who

568
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,840
I don't think works anymore,
but he was a very pretty big 90s star.

569
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:45,080
It was myself and like six other actors
who auditioned on the stage,

570
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,920
which is very rare.
Usually you go in, you have the job.

571
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,760
We had auditioned for Gus Van Sant
and he chose Eric and I,

572
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,520
and we went on the stage
and we performed in this scene.

573
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,880
I don't know if you remember the movie,
but it's, takes place on a basketball

574
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:03,000
court, and we played the kids in one end
who run over and are yelling,

575
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,600
you know, with these other kids
to beat the hell out of Matt Damon.

576
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,160
So we had like, Boston accents
and were cursing and yelling.

577
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,000
And Matt Damon came up to me

578
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,600
and I didn't know who Matt
Damon was or Ben Affleck was.

579
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,600
I thought they were possessed
because they looked so young.

580
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:16,160
Eddie.

581
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:20,520
He came to me and he said, hey, thanks
so much for for, you know, coming on.

582
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,640
And I said, yeah,
of course, I'm thrilled to be here.

583
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,840
I was 16 and he's like,
can I get you anything?

584
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:26,920
I was like, a cappuccino would be great.

585
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:27,360
Yeah.

586
00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:30,360
And so Matt Damon brought me a cappuccino.

587
00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:31,400
Oh, wow.

588
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:32,480
Yeah. That's right.

589
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,320
And then, you know, suddenly,

590
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,480
nine months later,
I was watching them win the Oscars.

591
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,520
So that was fun. Wow.

592
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,880
The 40 year old. Virgin was really fun.

593
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,160
I got to work with Seth Rogen.

594
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,360
Kind of going back to
what Robert was saying.

595
00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:48,840
You know, usually 99.9%,
just like Ryan mentioned, were very.

596
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,720
And blend in the background.

597
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,080
No cursing. You don't want to stand out.

598
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,760
But Seth, who was in the film
and produced it, was there with us

599
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,680
and he wanted us to go buckwild.

600
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,600
So he's like,
I want you to curse up a storm.

601
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,400
I want you to go wild.

602
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:08,880
And we were just it was like the nastiest
bathroom humor you would ever imagine.

603
00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:11,120
One of the most fun days I've ever done.

604
00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:12,440
Looping scene was that.

605
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,280
Oh, it was like half the movie.

606
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:14,880
Oh, okay.

607
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,840
So movie. The whole bunch of him. Yeah.

608
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:17,960
We we were cursing.

609
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,520
I'll give you a decent last one.

610
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,200
So can you ever pick yourself out
when you watch the movie?

611
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,720
Yeah, sometimes because I have kind of,
oh, a little bit of a distinct voice

612
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:26,280
you can hear, but

613
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,520
I did B-movie a lot with Jerry Seinfeld,
I did ADR, I'm all over that movie.

614
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,440
But, there was another movie that.

615
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:34,080
Partially.

616
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,560
And I'll tell me about B-movie
because that's one of our favorite movies

617
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:38,560
in the house with the kids.

618
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:39,200
Oh, really?

619
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,760
So I played one of the beekeepers in ADR.

620
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,040
They got caught in.

621
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,040
Yeah, I worked on it for like, three days
every day.

622
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,520
Jerry Seinfeld did a different
course that he'd show up in.

623
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:49,200
Of course.

624
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,200
Yeah. He's cool. Yeah, he was cool.

625
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,360
I'll give you a last story,
which Frank Marshall directed.

626
00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:58,560
You know, he was a massive film director,
and it was one of those movies I forget.

627
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,680
But it was, you know, how they would have,
like, the Valentine's Day movie,

628
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:02,520
and they were all.

629
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,520
They put all these stars together,
like the July 4th movie.

630
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,480
And I think it was a Valentine's
Day movie, and it was on a film.

631
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,120
A lot of times,
they'll have a lot of bloopers.

632
00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:12,640
They're not so much anymore.

633
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,760
But back in the day,
there'd be like 18 of us or 22.

634
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:16,640
Well, Ryan,

635
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,000
I, you know, typically work on TV shows
now where there's like four people

636
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,360
or six people, maybe eight.

637
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:24,000
But back then they had, you
know, a lot of folks who would show up.

638
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,160
And there was a kissing scene.

639
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,760
And like Ryan mentioned earlier,
you know, you take your your hand and

640
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:30,960
you kind of kiss into it.

641
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,840
But Frank Marshall's, assistant

642
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,760
and one of the assistant editors
they threw into the group

643
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,840
because in what we do, it's a lot of like,

644
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,760
we're pros, but you get a lot of friends
or cousins or nephews.

645
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,120
They get thrown into the group with us
or must hires, which is always fun.

646
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:49,520
That's another story.

647
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,280
So what happens is
there's this kissing scene and it's the

648
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,080
and it's these two folks
who have never done looping in their life.

649
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:58,880
And I yell out, well, really?

650
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,720
Lay one on
or you really got to kiss her fully.

651
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,160
And he had no idea.

652
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,000
She had no idea
because they'd never done it before.

653
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,840
So we hear beep, beep, beep,
and he turns to her, grabs

654
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,240
her and gives her a full kiss with tongue.

655
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,920
Tie. Everybody was laughing so hard.

656
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,600
Oh my gosh,
that was one of the funniest moments.

657
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:22,920
That's awesome.

658
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:23,640
That's awesome.

659
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,000
Yeah, that's that's a classic.

660
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,520
So yeah, I've told this story before.

661
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,680
I've told the guys this story before,
I think.

662
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,400
But talking about like ADR
or picking up lines, it was a movie.

663
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,520
Russell Crowe had done a movie,
I think it was called Pearls or something.

664
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:42,200
I've never seen the film anyway,
so I get sent in an audition from my agent

665
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,240
and say, we need to do a pick up line
for Russell Crowe.

666
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,240
I'm like, okay, it's cool, I can do that.

667
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,200
So and they sent me a bit of the dialog
with Russell Crowe.

668
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:52,680
No, it wasn't the go.

669
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,680
Remember that Russell Crowe
is actually from New Zealand,

670
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,760
but he's sort of seen as an Australian.

671
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,000
So you kind of go, okay,
well that'll kind of work

672
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:01,640
tonally.

673
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,400
Yeah I can do that. Let's say that's fine.

674
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,800
But then I played the dialog
that the actual film

675
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,960
that I was actually dropping into
for the ADR, and it's Russell Crowe,

676
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:17,920
who's a New Zealander, grew up in
Australia playing an American Irish guy.

677
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,920
You always

678
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:20,880
I'm like.

679
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,680
I you can.

680
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:23,400
Yeah, I.

681
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,120
That's a lot of layers. That was. Said.

682
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,040
There's a lot of layers.

683
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:28,680
Obviously I didn't get that.

684
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,640
But luckily.

685
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,480
Ryan's laid down some of your faves.

686
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,760
Oh, yeah. So,

687
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:39,080
well, I'm, I'm very honored to have gotten
to work on a lot of the Marvel movies,

688
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,520
including Infinity War,

689
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,040
all of the the new Spider-Man, movies.

690
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:47,880
Oh, what is it?

691
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,520
I think far homecoming, far from home
and no way home.

692
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,880
A few of the latest X-Men movies.

693
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,000
Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix.

694
00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:58,880
Some really cool,

695
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,640
animated movies like Boss Baby,
Captain underpants.

696
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:04,920
What else?

697
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,160
Oh, I have, a cool little line.

698
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,440
A moment in the new Lilo and Stitch.

699
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:11,800
Oh, nice.

700
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,440
The new live action. Lilo and stitch.

701
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,800
It's me that's the aardvark
looking alien that says something like.

702
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:22,560
In 12 hours, he's expected
to land on a planet called Earth or so.

703
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,240
And so on. That I mispronounced Earth.

704
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,480
Typecast in a classic.

705
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,760
Moment that's also in the animated film.

706
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,760
But in the live action,
the new live action one, it's me.

707
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,760
And, and, yeah, some TV shows like,

708
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:42,360
I was a big fan of the original sex
and the city I got to work on.

709
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,080
When they rebooted it, as it's called.

710
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:46,520
And just like that,

711
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,440
and I got to do some of that,
which was really cool for me personally.

712
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,000
I love Sex. City.

713
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:51,840
I love the show.

714
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,840
You know, if similarly,
I got to do a little bit of the Dexter

715
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,960
New Blood and I was a big fan of
the original Dexter, so that was exciting.

716
00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:02,960
And then I also,
I also got to do the Gossip Girl reboot.

717
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:08,360
So, you know, a lot we're in like reboot,
you know, sequel ville.

718
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:09,440
So it's a lot of those.

719
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:10,920
But it's cool
when it's like something that

720
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,160
you worked on
or that you watched in the day.

721
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,320
It's like, oh, now it's back
and I get to work on it.

722
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,120
And then, a couple others are like.

723
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:22,640
Like I do what the boys and Gen V,
so yeah, just like a lot of cool random.

724
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,320
And those are shows that I would watch.

725
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:25,920
Like these are great shows that I enjoy.

726
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,440
I enjoy the boys is pretty violent,
but but like,

727
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,920
these are shows that I, you know,
I they're very critically acclaimed.

728
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,960
They're really cool shows and I
and when we work on them, we get,

729
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,200
you know,
we get to see it before everybody else.

730
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,240
I so it's, it's cool if you like
the behind the scenes of movies.

731
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:44,480
I went to film school.

732
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,680
So I love seeing the different stages

733
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,600
of a film, and we're seeing it
when it's pretty close to being out,

734
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,480
because this is something this is one
of the last things, the last minute stuff.

735
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,280
Yeah, this is. After the audio
mix. Is done.

736
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,720
So it's like, you know, it's already
for the most part pitcher locked.

737
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:00,600
They've made some

738
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,120
some decisions and they're feeling one way
or another about the product.

739
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,080
But you know by this point
they're either nervous or they're excited.

740
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,600
Sometimes they know they've got gold
and sometimes they're nervous.

741
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,280
And and you get to see that, you know.

742
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,920
And so it's just it's fascinating from
like the behind the scenes perspective.

743
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:20,880
And then just some like a couple of,
you know, moments that stuck with me.

744
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,640
I will say that sometimes

745
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:27,680
if it's a director that's really hands
on, maybe it's their first movie,

746
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,320
their first feature, or,
they're just young and hungry.

747
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,640
They will actually sometimes
be there in the session.

748
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,360
And that has been really cool
when when people have made appearances,

749
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:43,120
like for Y2K, Kyle Mooney came
and he was a delight to work with.

750
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,560
He was so funny and like,
willing to experiment and like,

751
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,960
he was just laughing
at what we were giving him.

752
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,200
And he loved our improv.

753
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,440
And, you know,
he was pitching us things to say.

754
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,440
And we were pitching him back ideas,
and he was just cracking up,

755
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,000
and he was just a delight to work with.

756
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,080
And then another one
that really stuck out was,

757
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,720
I don't know if I'm saying her name.

758
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,920
Right, Emerald Fennell, but she, Yeah.

759
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,640
A young female director who did,

760
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,240
I worked with her on Promising
Young Woman, but I think she also did

761
00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:14,880
Saltburn and some other things that,
they're very, highly acclaimed.

762
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,440
And and she was really cool, like,

763
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,640
because you get to see what they're going
for like this, like,

764
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,600
like if they're really hands on like that

765
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,000
and they care enough
to show up the directors, then it's

766
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:29,000
because they're using the sound design
in a very effective way that they want.

767
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,000
They want to capture some sort of tone
or flavor

768
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,520
that's like really important
to their overall theme or vision.

769
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,560
So if they care enough to show up
like that or then, you know, it,

770
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,160
it's, it's going to be a cool experience
to get kind of inside their head like, oh,

771
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:44,440
what are we going for?

772
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,680
I can give you a really good example of
that actually.

773
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:47,320
Just quickly,

774
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,400
are you guys aware of the movie
hunt for Red October?

775
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,160
Of course is fantastic.
Yeah. Okay. So yeah.

776
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,840
So that if for those who don't know, it's
about a Russian

777
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,560
submarine that they have developed
a silent drive for the submarine.

778
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,640
So effectively the worst
part of the movie, it can, it can park

779
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,080
nuclear missiles,
you know, 100 miles offshore of LA.

780
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,000
And no one would know if the.

781
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,480
Captain, the captain of the doctor,
they he sees.

782
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,960
Sean Connery. Is a Scottish Russian.

783
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:15,840
Yeah. That's right.

784
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,880
So anyway, that the story goes
and I've had this confirmed

785
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,880
by a couple of people that the movie
was actually pretty much finished.

786
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:22,680
Right.

787
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:23,680
But the reshoot

788
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:27,480
the director had was that obviously
you can't have nothing in a movie.

789
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:28,760
You can't have complete silence.

790
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,360
You have to have a sound
for the silent drive.

791
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,200
And the director was never happy.

792
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,440
Every time they sat him down in a in a
seated and showed him the real weather.

793
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,200
The first time the submarine engaged,
silent diving was like, no, no, no, no,

794
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,320
it's too noisy or it's, it's
not this or it's not that, blah blah blah.

795
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:44,920
And this went on for weeks.

796
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,320
And finally
they had a showing for the director.

797
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,000
And again, it was like,
no, there's this one.

798
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,000
And the sound designer guys go, fuck this.

799
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,160
You know, this is just bullshit.

800
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,880
So I can storms out of the room, goes up
the stairs and is sitting on the roof

801
00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:01,240
smoking a cigaret, and there's an air
conditioning vent next to him

802
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,000
and it's wrestling is going to know
dong dong dong ding dong dong ding

803
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,320
dong dong dong dong ding dong.

804
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,640
He goes downstairs,
the director's leaving.

805
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,480
He says, give me 20 minutes.

806
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,640
Just go and have a coffee.
Come back in 20 minutes.

807
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,920
He went upstairs with the location
recorder, recorded this thing,

808
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,120
took it downstairs, spun it around,
slowed it down, blah, blah.

809
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,960
Did this, did
that. Threw it into the same director.

810
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,560
Comes back and goes, that's the sound.

811
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,120
Yeah, there's a separation.

812
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:28,320
There was also the other thing

813
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,560
with remember Red October, that story
about the submarine

814
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,400
where there was not enough height
to have a boom.

815
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,320
Yeah. So the guy was live mixing.

816
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,120
They just they had mix all three cabins
and they were recording.

817
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:41,840
Yeah.

818
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,160
So as he's walking,
then that's his switch.

819
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,360
He can't do wireless
as much in a submarine or.

820
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:48,480
No, they. Can't do anything.

821
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,200
I just have to have all these mics
all the way down through the cabin.

822
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,600
He was like, was in a submarine
or was it a set?

823
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,160
It probably wasn't like an actual medal.

824
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:57,480
But instead of a submarine.

825
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,040
Yeah. Yeah, it was no real good.

826
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,040
Thanks. Thanks, Lorenz. Anything?

827
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:02,960
Yeah.

828
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,800
The lunar cowboys when the pandemic.

829
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,760
You guys, that was it.

830
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:12,080
A freak out moment for the two of you,
or did you already have a well-established

831
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:13,000
home studio?

832
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,640
And you're like, hey, we're ready to rock.

833
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,280
Well, what was that like? Yeah.

834
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,280
I think it was.

835
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,080
Yeah, it was fine for us, fortunately.

836
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:21,480
I mean, work definitely slowed down

837
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:25,360
initially because it was kind of like,
what is going to go on?

838
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,280
How long is this going to last?
Are we going to be back on stage?

839
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,120
And then once they kind of settled
in that know this is how it's going to be?

840
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,840
I mean, I'm pretty sure, you know,
Ryan's got a pro set up and I had a fine

841
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,880
set up previously
because we've been auditioning

842
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,040
for voiceover
remotely for years at this point.

843
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,520
I mean, we used to always going
to audition at our agents for voiceover

844
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,360
auditions, and that's gone away for,
you know, quite a long time.

845
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:53,040
But did you guys consider your studio
though, a audition studio,

846
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,880
or were you doing
work, work at home on a regular basis?

847
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,760
I was not. Yeah, that's a good point.
I was not either.

848
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:00,920
It was mostly auditioning.

849
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:01,320
Yeah.

850
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,560
I there was like,
there was a time where, you know,

851
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,400
when Covid hit where everyone had
to figure out how to do this,

852
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,520
how to do this remotely,
something that really benefits

853
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,520
from having all the actors
together on a soundstage.

854
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,720
So there was like a period
of a couple months

855
00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:20,280
where people were kind of
like figuring it out.

856
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:24,120
But once we all learned how to do it
this way,

857
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,760
and got used to the new recordings,
you know,

858
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,520
different websites that we were using
to log on and some, some editors

859
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,960
actually kind of liked it better
because now they have everyone on ISO

860
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:42,320
and they can they can make it
what they call, denser or thin it out.

861
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,080
So it's like if we're doing a crowd scene

862
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,240
and there were too many voices,
everyone's on ISIS

863
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:48,480
and now you have a little bit
more freedom.

864
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,160
And there's a problem.

865
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:51,960
Not everyone's in the same room,
though. So.

866
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,480
So you also have this this blending issue.

867
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,040
Yeah. Benefit. And, it's harder. It's.

868
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,720
I think harder work for them
to put it all together

869
00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:02,200
and to make everyone sound
like they're in the same room.

870
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,200
But if you're
if you like the control, then,

871
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:10,120
which I and I'm still working on, a show
that the editor likes, the control.

872
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,560
Like that's how they,
they prefer it that way.

873
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,160
So they never, I don't know, they didn't
go back to in studio for the show.

874
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,720
So yeah. So
it just depends on the preference.

875
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:21,840
But but before the pandemic, I did have

876
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,200
this booth
and I was only using it for auditions.

877
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:26,160
This was my seat.

878
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,200
And auditioning is a big part of our job.

879
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:29,760
So I was using it a lot. Yeah, but.

880
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,360
But not I did not necessarily
have have to have my audio quality.

881
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,800
To audition as a group. No.

882
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,480
For animation,
for commercials, for different stuff.

883
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:39,400
Okay. Yeah.

884
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,600
We just normal auditions for cartoons
and animate

885
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,880
whatever other random auditions,
you know. So.

886
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,640
But but that's a lot of our job.

887
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:51,720
I mean, I auditioned every day, and like
Justin said back, you know, ten years ago,

888
00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:55,040
we used to go into our agencies
for auditions

889
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,280
and that kind of
we kind of phased out of that.

890
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,440
And then if anyone was still doing that
during,

891
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,280
you know, when the pandemic hit, it
definitely put an end to that

892
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,880
because they were not allowing, clients
to come in in person.

893
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,480
So it was like,
figure out how to do it from home.

894
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,600
And those of us that already had
booths were really lucky because,

895
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,600
you know, we had kind of already
been starting to do it from home.

896
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,440
But,
there was an adjustment period for sure.

897
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,440
And, now everyone that like,
I feel like if you're

898
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,240
if you're working a lot, you're probably
pretty proficient at recording yourself

899
00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:29,640
from home at this point, because now
it's like it's expected, you know?

900
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,600
But it wasn't like that before, for sure.

901
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,560
I got a couple of questions
I was going to ask at one one.

902
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,240
Firstly, who were your agents?

903
00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:39,800
Justin? Who was your agent that you.

904
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:40,880
Oh, well, I've had a few.

905
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,200
I used to go in all the time at ICM.

906
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,160
And then I was a WME

907
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,200
and then during the pandemic,
WME shut down.

908
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,720
So then I switched over. I'm
an innovative.

909
00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:53,280
Wow. Right now.

910
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,320
So yeah, I've been an innovator
for probably six years.

911
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:57,840
But yeah, there's,

912
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,920
you know, there's a handful
of really good kind of voiceover agents.

913
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:02,240
Yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah.

914
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:04,120
I'm with Atlas talent.

915
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,360
I won't take you
through the whole history

916
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,080
because I've been with a lot of agents,

917
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,720
over the years, but,
but I actually, believe it or not,

918
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,400
have never physically been into Atlas
because I signed with them.

919
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:21,440
I think maybe 2020, early 2023
or something like that.

920
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:22,920
I want to say I forget, but

921
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:27,160
but it was after I was already
used to recording my auditions from home.

922
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:28,760
So when I met with them,

923
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:33,240
about representation, I think it was just
a short conversation over the phone.

924
00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:37,840
And then I sent them all my demos
remotely, and we never had a face to face.

925
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,160
Conversation.

926
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:40,720
And it has been fine.

927
00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:44,240
Like, they know what, they know what
I sound like, they hear my auditions,

928
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,680
they know how to pitch me. They book me.

929
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:47,560
It's all good.

930
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,080
Like, I just, I have never had to
go over to their office, and,

931
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:53,360
who knows if I ever will.

932
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:54,080
You know why?

933
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:54,800
Like we handle

934
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,040
so much of our business over emails,
and I'm recording my own auditions.

935
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,200
But, yeah. Yeah, we.

936
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:00,960
But this is, I think,

937
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:05,000
the first agency I've been with that
I that I have that relationship

938
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,680
with where I have never been into it
because before I was,

939
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:13,560
I was recording auditions from agents
from all my other agencies.

940
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,840
And then the last one before,

941
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,680
Atlas,
I was the one where I stopped going in.

942
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,800
I, I was going in,
and then I decided, it's

943
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,200
a long drive, and I'm getting better
at using my own microphone in my own,

944
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:27,400
you know, home setups.

945
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:28,760
I'm just going to start recording myself.

946
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,000
And then you never go back.

947
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,360
Once you start doing that,
you learn, you're comfortable,

948
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,760
you get into the groove
and you know your own process.

949
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,560
And yeah, then you kind of fall
into auditioning only remotely.

950
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:43,120
Is funny with Atlas because,
Atlas moved a few years ago.

951
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,400
See, I would not know.

952
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,440
Yeah, they're old building was funny
because I'm friend of mine, lived

953
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,000
just behind their old building.

954
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,520
And, in that building on the top
floor is a nightclub called Soho House.

955
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,560
And he said, do you want to let's
get this out of the house for a drink?

956
00:42:58,880 --> 00:42:59,520
I'm like, okay.

957
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,440
So we walk up the back line from his house
into the car park with Lyft. Is

958
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:05,040
around.

959
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,040
And I said, I've been here before,

960
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,560
and I couldn't work out
why I'd been there before

961
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,960
is because Atlas used to be in that.

962
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,560
Now, the right over here
on the west side there.

963
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,160
And he said, here we go. Yeah.

964
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:18,400
And they had a booth and they didn't.

965
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,400
They moved the building
and they put the booth together

966
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,400
and they never used the booth
and they sold it.

967
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,520
I probably, Dean Pinero
probably keeps his dogs in the booth now.

968
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,480
Yeah. So so here I have a question.

969
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,480
Do you ever have to do accents
from within the crowd?

970
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,800
Yeah, yeah, it comes up okay.

971
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:37,080
Sure.

972
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:41,040
Even though you're blending, there's
still that that kind of detail or that.

973
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:42,720
Well, usually it's done separately.

974
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:47,760
Usually you'll do like, like,
kind of a, an accent track separately.

975
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,560
So I mean, I was just working on a show
last week.

976
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,320
We were doing Chinese and Russian.

977
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,360
So, you know, they're going to
they're going to not typically

978
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,160
do the English pass in the same way.

979
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,640
That way they can I show it out
or mix it the way they want it.

980
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,840
But yeah, we do
English accents and, accents

981
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,400
from all around the world
all the time and languages too.

982
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:07,680
I mean, as a looper,

983
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,720
I speak a couple of languages,
a lot of Looper speak many languages.

984
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:12,360
Okay. Wow.

985
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:16,440
Yeah, I was I was going to say,
because sometimes I've found this trick

986
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:21,000
and so I, I do commercials and
I never have the luxury of having a group.

987
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,440
So I'm always rummaging through the sound
effects library.

988
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:30,160
And one of the tricks I use is
I will like I love like a Dutch crowd

989
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,440
in an English spot, because then there's
no words that pop out.

990
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:35,280
It's all like, what?

991
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,000
What? It's
basically what you were talking about.

992
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:39,800
Yeah, right.

993
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,040
So I'll specifically go like, hey, give me
like some other language here because.

994
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:44,640
We're going to lose just in one minute.

995
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:50,280
Just, Oh, sorry, Liz,
before we go, anybody who wants to

996
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,320
who would like to become a looper
or thinks they could do it,

997
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,400
a bit of advice and and should they.

998
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,240
Even should you move to L.A. to. Do it?

999
00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:01,080
I mean, we're very fortunate to work in
looping.

1000
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,080
It is an incredibly small niche,

1001
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:08,240
group of of improvisers
and voiceover actors to do it.

1002
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,160
But kind of I would
I would go back to what Ryan said earlier.

1003
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,640
If you're passionate
and hungry about something

1004
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,800
and you really feel
that you have the talent,

1005
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,800
you want to do it, then I would
I would say it's absolutely possible.

1006
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:24,840
There are some, looper loop group leaders
who have classes that they teach,

1007
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,960
and I would highly recommend
if you are a total novice, that

1008
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,960
that would probably be a good way
to try to get your foot in the door.

1009
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:36,720
But it's it's definitely a small group
of actors that do most of the work.

1010
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,320
And it's it's very hard to break in.

1011
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,360
It would have to be age diverse,
though, wouldn't it.

1012
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:42,080
Like, yeah,

1013
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,680
you'd have to have a huge age group
because, I mean, you could be very

1014
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:49,160
specific in terms of what you wanted
in terms of your loop too, right?

1015
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:49,920
Yeah.

1016
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:51,240
I always tell people to,

1017
00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:55,320
to take their voice matching audition
seriously because that's how I got in.

1018
00:45:55,560 --> 00:46:00,000
And it's not it's not necessarily
a glamorous job to be the airline

1019
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,080
version of an edit for a famous person,
you know what I mean?

1020
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:07,000
But like, that's how I, that's how I,

1021
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:11,400
I met made those connections
was, was book booking a voice matching job

1022
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:15,520
for a live action movie
that no one will ever know that I did that

1023
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,000
one line, you know what I mean?

1024
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,240
But it it led to other things for me.

1025
00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:24,080
So just taking every opportunity,
seriously and trying your best and,

1026
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,360
you know, being pleasant to work with and,
reliable and,

1027
00:46:27,720 --> 00:46:30,480
you know, that's that's
how that's how it happened for me.

1028
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,280
So that's what I tell people.

1029
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:33,080
That's a great answer.

1030
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,680
I got to pop because I'm, you know, I'm
taking the standup comedy class

1031
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:37,520
because I'm not funny.

1032
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,840
But it's just
we always got to be studying

1033
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,920
and adding more tools to our toolkit.

1034
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:43,960
This was great.

1035
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,240
Ryan is amazing.

1036
00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:46,680
You know, you continue with her.

1037
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,440
I'm. I'm in the back seat anyway.

1038
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:49,800
And thanks for having me on.

1039
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,800
This was a lot of fun. Just choose me.

1040
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,080
So, Ryan, I'm interested to know.

1041
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,200
Obviously they have ideas
about what they're looking for,

1042
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,880
but at a very specific in terms
of what they'll ask for.

1043
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,840
Or is it some of it left up to you guys?

1044
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,160
Yeah, I mean, it it depends on the movie.

1045
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:07,840
It depends on the team.

1046
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,680
But,
most of them care very deeply about what

1047
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,800
they're doing, and they're very specific
about what they're looking for.

1048
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:18,480
That's why, you know,
they're they're spending money and time,

1049
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:22,320
on this part of post-production
specifically.

1050
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,640
And this is a serious thing like this.

1051
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:26,880
They want the best of the best,

1052
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,520
and sometimes they have very specific
things in mind that they're looking for,

1053
00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:32,400
and they're not going to like.

1054
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:32,760
Phone.

1055
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,040
Them in on a multi, multi,
multi-million dollar movie like this.

1056
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,200
You know,
like every stage of this has to be good.

1057
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:39,320
They're not going to fumble

1058
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:41,680
that close to the end zone.

1059
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,840
You know when you're talking about like
one of the last parts of post-production.

1060
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:50,800
So they're pretty precious
about some of these depending on the,

1061
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:55,080
high profile ness of the project or,

1062
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,680
you know, I've, I've even had cues where

1063
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:03,120
something very secretive happens
in one of those really big movies

1064
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:07,480
like that, the Marvel type movies where
it's like this really secretive project

1065
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,240
where they actually won't show you
the picture, they tell you

1066
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,360
what, they tell you a vague
description of what's happening

1067
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:18,200
because they can't even literally tell you
what's happening, because it's so

1068
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:22,680
NDA and it's such a high profile thing
that they give you just a description

1069
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:27,280
of something similar enough
to get to get from you what they want.

1070
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,800
And that would only happen in cases
where it's like,

1071
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,160
this is the twist of the movie.

1072
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,080
This is the climax. Like,
this. Is why I'm your. Father.

1073
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:35,280
Yeah.

1074
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,200
Like those really and those really,
really important moments where they cannot

1075
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:43,360
trust to get to let this out at all
because like, the, the whole.

1076
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:44,440
Franchise. Like.

1077
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,320
Turn your cell phone in. Oh, yeah.

1078
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:47,720
When you walk into the place. Yeah.

1079
00:48:47,720 --> 00:48:50,120
They have detail
that they will wrap around it.

1080
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,680
No I haven't seen some studios so. Yeah.

1081
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,200
So so that's happened before.

1082
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,360
So they take this all very seriously.

1083
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,640
Like they definitely,
want a certain vibe.

1084
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:01,200
And this is not like phoning it

1085
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,600
in, even though it sounds like
this is background noise.

1086
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,480
This is mumbo jumbo in the background,
doesn't it?

1087
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:06,960
Doesn't matter.

1088
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,440
I promise you
it does matter for Spider-Man.

1089
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:10,400
Yeah.

1090
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:11,280
Homecoming.

1091
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,480
He goes to a, science magnet school.

1092
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:18,120
He goes to a tech high school technol
a technology high school.

1093
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:22,200
So they and they they even
they told us before the session, they said

1094
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:23,720
when he's in one of his classes,

1095
00:49:23,720 --> 00:49:26,400
they're teaching Bauhaus
theory of the atom on the board.

1096
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:27,280
So look up that.

1097
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:31,560
So we had to be in his classroom sharing
notes about Bauhaus theory of the atom.

1098
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,000
It's that specific.

1099
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,920
It's not like it's they don't tell you.

1100
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:36,960
They don't say, you know, classroom stuff.

1101
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,520
They tell you what subject,
what is actually on the board

1102
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,200
in the background,
and they want you to research that.

1103
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:44,280
They're a bunch of nerds.

1104
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:45,800
Bring it content for nerds.

1105
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,520
You got to be accurate here.

1106
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,520
I mean, something you would never notice
if you watch the movie, right?

1107
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,960
You know, you barely notice.
Next time you watch it, check it out.

1108
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,320
You know, that's really that. Oh, yeah.
That's what they're studying.

1109
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,360
And that's what that's what the loop group
was talking about in that clip.

1110
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,280
Even if it's just little whispers
to someone next to you in class, you know.

1111
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,520
But we
we had to be like referring to that.

1112
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,120
That was what was happening in that world.

1113
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,880
So it gets really specific
and they want it to be as accurate to what

1114
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,160
what it would would be really happening
in that moment as possible.

1115
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,880
Did you watch have you watched
any of the studio on Apple TV?

1116
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,040
I have, yes.
Yeah. Did you want to watch it?

1117
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:21,720
Laughed you watching cringe do you think?

1118
00:50:21,720 --> 00:50:22,800
Oh I love it, do.

1119
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:23,120
Love it,

1120
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:27,400
I love it, I love it, but I also have only
seen the first I think 3 or 4 episodes.

1121
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:28,000
So if they.

1122
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,400
Yeah, if it gets into sound design,
I haven't gotten there yet.

1123
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,240
No, not really,
but it's just you know Warner.

1124
00:50:33,240 --> 00:50:35,720
The Warner. Yeah. Yeah.
The one I mean it's great.

1125
00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:39,440
And a lot of those
even notwithstanding that

1126
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,840
episode, a lot of the scenes are very,
very long shots.

1127
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:43,880
It's beautifully shot.

1128
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,920
I mean, as someone that went to film
school, I'm eating it up.

1129
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,880
So like, I'm
so digging the cinematography on that.

1130
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:50,480
So inside.

1131
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,640
Baseball, it is, it is.

1132
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,760
But it it makes total sense to us.

1133
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,440
You know, it's like
this is the life that we actually live in.

1134
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,960
We you know, but it's it's the beats,
the comedy beats are so great too.

1135
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:02,720
It's just a really tight show.

1136
00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:04,760
You guys haven't seen.
I find a clip of it.

1137
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,120
So if you're going to watch an episode
because you just want to dip in,

1138
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,080
just what's the one called the.

1139
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,000
One or the one or.

1140
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,200
Just watch the. Studio?

1141
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,000
What's it on Apple studio TV?

1142
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,120
Yeah, it's Seth Rogan's new show.

1143
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:19,440
Yeah it's great.

1144
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,000
I would like to loop on that.

1145
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,080
I don't, I have never worked on that one.

1146
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:24,160
There you go. You need to put your head.

1147
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,040
Yeah I would, I would love to be a P.A.

1148
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,840
you know because it's like
and one of the things that I did

1149
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:33,080
get to work on was,
being the Ricardos, and, Yeah.

1150
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:34,480
Which was nominated for Best Picture.

1151
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,800
My, my dream is truly to loop on something
that wins Best Picture.

1152
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,320
I worked on a couple things
that got nominated.

1153
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:44,960
I worked on a complete unknown,
and I worked on, Being the Ricardos

1154
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,360
and Being the Ricardos is cool because
it took place in that Hollywood era.

1155
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,000
It took place in that, in that,

1156
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,640
that, that same era
that I studied a lot in film school.

1157
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:58,320
And I got to actually use that and use
those sorts of terminology and stuff.

1158
00:51:58,320 --> 00:51:59,200
So that was really cool.

1159
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,800
But, but working on the studio would be
like, oh, that would be really neat.

1160
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,240
Is there an Academy Award for best Looper?

1161
00:52:05,240 --> 00:52:06,720
Yeah. No there's not.

1162
00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:08,640
No. So you need to put your hand up.

1163
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,560
Most most unnoticed. Thank you. Yes.

1164
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:14,480
It was

1165
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:18,600
sound design, which, like I said,
I worked on a complete unknown

1166
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:22,080
and that was actually nominated
for Best Sound Design last year.

1167
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:25,080
So that that's the closest
we'll ever get to.

1168
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,600
Where we're in there. We're part of that.
That's pretty good, though.

1169
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:28,280
That's awesome.

1170
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:32,240
You consider the loop group
like part of part of like sound design.

1171
00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:33,520
And it's kind of in this like.

1172
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:34,440
Very, very.

1173
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,040
Slowly more sound design realm.

1174
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,320
Yeah,
yeah I agree. Yeah, yeah. Ryan. Yeah.

1175
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:40,360
It's been amazing.

1176
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:40,480
Yeah.

1177
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:45,000
It's definitely something I was like,
I knew it happened, but I never realized

1178
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:46,000
how deep it actually went.

1179
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:47,200
I just thought like grabbed him,

1180
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:48,840
walked around a lot,
grabbed a bunch of people

1181
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,120
and threw them on the soundstage
and said, right, we need you to do this.

1182
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,440
This beats me.
So I never realized it was so involved.

1183
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:54,480
Such a specialized. Thing.

1184
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,160
I thought they used more, more

1185
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,080
the sound effects,
like you and I suffer through,

1186
00:52:58,080 --> 00:52:59,280
and they only bring you guys in

1187
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,320
when it's kind of absolutely precise
that they need to get.

1188
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:03,600
But as you said,

1189
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:07,440
they have multimillion dollar budgets
and they're not going to the that close.

1190
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,000
Yeah, they're serious about it.

1191
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:09,520
It's funny.

1192
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:10,800
So now so now when they say

1193
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,840
like Hollywood sound effects library,
we know it's total B.S.

1194
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:15,880
right. Like that's right.
You're always using. Those.

1195
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:16,440
These are yeah.

1196
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,280
These are live groups
and and I have a big bite.

1197
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,720
Like, we all have to research
so many different things.

1198
00:53:21,720 --> 00:53:26,600
So I have a big binder full
of every all the rules of all the sports.

1199
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:27,560
That's a given.

1200
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:31,320
You know, every sport, like fake
sitcom scenes, because they always have,

1201
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,560
like a TV on in the background
where they need a fake sitcom.

1202
00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:36,560
We have every, like, subject.

1203
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,280
Of course, you know, Bauhaus
theory of the atom is in there now.

1204
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:43,160
But I looped on, for example, I looped on
a show about girls skateboarding.

1205
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:44,160
It's called Betty.

1206
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,160
Betty or Betty's a Betty, I think on HBO.

1207
00:53:47,240 --> 00:53:50,120
It's all skateboarding.
So I have the anatomy of a skateboard.

1208
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,080
I have like I have dissections of like,

1209
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,320
every animal, frog, cow, you know, worm,

1210
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,520
because they always do dissections
in movies, especially horror movies.

1211
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,040
They love to do
dissection scenes in high school.

1212
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,400
So I think that one was from
maybe Slenderman or something.

1213
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:05,560
I think it was Slenderman

1214
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,880
that that I had to research,
you know, in my first dissection.

1215
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,120
But now I have every animal and it's like,

1216
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,760
so we have this just giant binder,
basically of research of like,

1217
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:19,760
incredible, crazy amount of random things
that you would that come up in movies.

1218
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,760
And there's some things,
like I said, dissections,

1219
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,520
sitcoms on TV in the background.

1220
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:26,280
There's some things that come up
all the time

1221
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:30,360
prison police, radio cop, police,
you know, police radios,

1222
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:34,320
emergency responders on site,
you know, EMTs,

1223
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:38,520
all that kind of stuff comes up in, like,
every TV show and every movie.

1224
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:39,480
So we have a lot of that.

1225
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:40,800
But it's a lot of research.

1226
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,200
Like that's that's part of our job is.

1227
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:43,800
Look, so do you.

1228
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,720
What do you watch
a lot of cops to research.

1229
00:54:45,720 --> 00:54:46,920
Yeah. Police.

1230
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:48,120
Police right. Yeah.

1231
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:48,600
Sort of stuff.

1232
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:49,280
Is that how you do it?

1233
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,440
We even we were like one of
my coaches is like,

1234
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:56,240
you know, listen to police radio scanner
so you can listen to it's a public,

1235
00:54:56,240 --> 00:54:57,320
you know, there's an app.

1236
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,200
So we are expected to literally be

1237
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:03,200
getting accurate stuff
that would really be said on the police.

1238
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:04,360
Troop decision.

1239
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,920
Even gets down to like, we have to know
the codes ten for whatever.

1240
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,680
You know you're being and and
and we also know like it's some

1241
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,680
there's some specialty things
for different major cities.

1242
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:18,840
So it gets us specific I have maps
every borough of New York City.

1243
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:22,800
I have maps of so that I can say,
you know, he's in midtown,

1244
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:24,960
right now, like so like.
Names and stuff, pull out.

1245
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,720
Street names, pull out,
you know, areas and stuff like that.

1246
00:55:27,720 --> 00:55:28,680
And they'll tell you, they'll say,

1247
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:30,720
this is Greenwich
Village Village in this scene,

1248
00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:33,720
and we'll flip to our Greenwich Village
notes, you know, so

1249
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,720
it's it's that it's that specific.

1250
00:55:35,720 --> 00:55:38,000
So it's a lot of research
and this is they're.

1251
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,240
They're relying on you to do a lot. Yeah.

1252
00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:42,800
That's incredible. Give you.

1253
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:43,080
Yeah.

1254
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,760
Tell you say a bunch of these words within
here like make it up and here's your

1255
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:48,200
that's interesting.

1256
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,520
Yeah I yeah it's a lot of them.

1257
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:51,360
You find. That true.

1258
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:55,160
It's like like weatherman
and it's like sometimes trying to find

1259
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:56,880
the right little piece of nothing
that's on

1260
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,120
the TV in
the background is really annoying.

1261
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:00,600
And I've done it a bunch.

1262
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,840
I've gone into the booth
and just said whatever it is,

1263
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,840
like trying to be like a little
because it's like,

1264
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,200
you know, you're you're searching through
the sound effects library for 40 minutes.

1265
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:11,520
You're like, what is going right.

1266
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,520
Right, right. And it's easy.

1267
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,800
We haven't
we haven't been a slide into oblivion yet

1268
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:17,400
because, yeah,

1269
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:22,480
it's still harder to dig around and find
just the right library thing than it is to

1270
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,600
just get your fresh thing
from a real actors

1271
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:28,000
that are going to make it custom
for your movie or film or TV show.

1272
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,240
And another thing that
comes up all the time is QVC.

1273
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:33,560
I don't know what.

1274
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:34,760
Yeah, yeah, like

1275
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:38,640
like selling watches on the, on the TV,
you know, it's like someone.

1276
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:39,360
Someone. Yeah.

1277
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:40,320
Someone falls asleep in

1278
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:43,320
front of the TV that it happens
in, like, every horror movie.

1279
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:47,000
It's like, well, you know, sound effects
guys can only use the Wilhelm screen

1280
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,560
so many times. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

1281
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:51,360
I find a way to put on everything, like.

1282
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,240
Yeah, but it's never going away.

1283
00:56:53,240 --> 00:56:55,680
Yeah. Thing
that will always be around there.

1284
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:56,120
Yeah.

1285
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:59,720
Yeah, well I won't,
I don't think I'll ever watch a TV show

1286
00:56:59,720 --> 00:57:02,040
or a movie the same now I think. Yeah.

1287
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:03,560
Listen closely.

1288
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:05,080
So much for your time.

1289
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:06,080
You guys know.

1290
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,600
Real education is. Such a delight.
Thank you for having us.

1291
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:10,760
We we had so much fun
getting to chat with you guys.

1292
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:12,760
And I love seeing it
from your perspective too.

1293
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,240
It's fascinating
and I'm glad to know that it takes

1294
00:57:15,240 --> 00:57:18,800
you time to dig through those libraries,
because we don't want to be unemployed.

1295
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:20,120
We are.

1296
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:21,520
You know, I,

1297
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:25,240
I would say it's it's not just a luxury,
but actually it would save time.

1298
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:29,400
But one question I had is, as
you guys are on a flat rate, there's no.

1299
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:32,400
Residuals. There are. I'm assuming. Yeah.

1300
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,560
Oh cool. Wow. That's cool.

1301
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:35,960
Yeah. Like there.

1302
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,760
So so all the TV and all the films.

1303
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:42,840
So, Let's see why
why don't sound designers get residuals?

1304
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,240
I know, that's right. I totally.

1305
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,000
Know. And we're very grateful for that.

1306
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:47,760
I mean, it's a scale day rate.

1307
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,240
And we get residuals.

1308
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:53,600
So, this is how a lot of us qualify
for our health care through the union.

1309
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,800
And, we feel very blessed.

1310
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:58,760
That's why we're scared
that we're going to be replaced.

1311
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,120
And, you know, that's
why it's such a tight knit community.

1312
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,720
Is because this is going.
To be a long time before that happens.

1313
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,760
This is a thing that we feel
very, very blessed and grateful to have.

1314
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,160
And we really hope it doesn't go away.

1315
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:10,560
But, you know, we'll see.

1316
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,120
We do not take it for granted.

1317
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:15,960
I think that we,
we kind of think that they're going to try

1318
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:20,320
to ai us out of existence,
but I think they're going to fail.

1319
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,440
Like, it just
it seems like they're going to try

1320
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,480
and then they're going to realize
that took too much time.

1321
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,240
And that was harder than just hiring.

1322
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:27,920
People like the sound effects library.

1323
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:29,640
Yeah, it's going to be more expensive.

1324
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,400
So much time, and you're going to get
better results faster.

1325
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:33,840
With artists than you are.

1326
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,720
I hope so, I hope so,
from your mouth to God's ears, I hope so.

1327
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:37,360
That's the hope.

1328
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,240
And I think so far,
I mean, look, AI is not new.

1329
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:43,800
And I still I had a loop group
gig this morning today remotely.

1330
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:45,160
We're still doing it remotely.

1331
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:48,160
And I did it from home,
with a group based in New York.

1332
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:52,160
And, and, you know, that's it.

1333
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:53,760
So it hasn't replace us yet.

1334
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:55,520
It still is not there.

1335
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:56,520
But we don't know.

1336
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:58,440
I mean,
we are not taking anything for granted.

1337
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:00,640
We feel very thankful
to be still doing it.

1338
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,320
But of course, we're very aware
that that could end.

1339
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,840
We just don't know, like,
is I going to get that?

1340
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:08,320
Get that good or not?

1341
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,320
I don't think so, because I have
I have to think that.

1342
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:12,000
I'll say this.

1343
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,520
It's been good at multiplying you.

1344
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:18,320
So there's like for instance,
the they'll do this already.

1345
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,520
You have like a stadium full of people.

1346
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:23,400
But really, you know, the stadium
is only filled with like the first ten,

1347
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:27,000
ten benches and then software
is, like able to like, replicate it.

1348
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:32,160
So I think that they'll be able to use
AI to double up

1349
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:35,280
and to create variations.

1350
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:40,120
But there's going to be a need
for initial, like setting the stage

1351
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:44,000
and getting the basic kind of sound
of whatever environment it is,

1352
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,080
and that's
where you guys are going to come in.

1353
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:48,200
But there's going to be tools
where you're not going to be doing like,

1354
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:50,080
all right, let's layer that eight times.

1355
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:53,760
The software might layer
eight times for you in the in the future.

1356
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:54,800
And just yet.

1357
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,680
I mean hopefully
because that's like one of the harder

1358
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:00,000
and more tedious parts of our job.
We'll see.

1359
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,960
But I mean, there's so many thing,
there's so many cues

1360
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:06,080
that we're talking about that
we also cover that are so specific.

1361
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:06,960
Like I said,

1362
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:11,160
my my line in Lilo and Stitch,
I mean, that was done in a loop group day.

1363
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:14,960
Like, that's not that's a line,
you know, in, one of the Spider-Man,

1364
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:16,280
Spider-Man Far From Home.

1365
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:19,520
There's a moment where he passes
someone on the street and the lady

1366
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:23,120
says, knocked monkey,
knocked monkey and runs off into.

1367
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:24,360
And he's visiting Germany.

1368
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,160
That's me saying knocked monkey.

1369
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:27,320
So and so.

1370
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:31,200
It's like there's so many little moments
that it's like, this is not like we are

1371
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:35,760
talking about group noise and crowds
and stuff like that, quote unquote wallah.

1372
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,880
But we're also talking about very specific
things

1373
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:43,680
that need to be in basically verbal jokes,
like jokes that are like off camera from

1374
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:48,640
or just like someone ordering or the QVC,
the, the, the radio on and the,

1375
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:53,520
the radio on in the car, the cop radio,
the announcement in the hospital.

1376
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:56,400
These are all like very specific
things still.

1377
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:58,280
And that's also done in the loop group.

1378
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,520
So it's like it might I
maybe will get rid of

1379
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,920
some of our Wala tracks
that are just crowd noises.

1380
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:05,560
Maybe.

1381
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:08,600
But so much of our job is more detailed
and more specific.

1382
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:10,360
And yeah, you know. It's.

1383
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:10,680
You know what?

1384
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:13,680
Like the video game side, the what I hear

1385
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,760
from the video game world
is, first of all, game is expensive.

1386
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:18,920
It's a big investment to produce
and to buy.

1387
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,680
It's not something you can just download
on Netflix, right?

1388
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:22,560
It's a big deal.

1389
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:25,560
And the fans are extremely ravenous
about quality.

1390
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:30,200
And if they they will detect fakery,
believe it or not, you're thinking,

1391
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:31,000
what's a game?

1392
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,960
But if they hear fake voices, they
they hate it.

1393
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:34,920
They know it.

1394
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:38,680
They want authentic voices
in these made up world.

1395
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,440
So yeah, I mean, it's very important
to them. And they want to

1396
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:45,240
know and they want to go to Comic-Con

1397
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:48,200
and they want to meet the voice
of that voice, that thing.

1398
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:49,560
And they want to take a picture of that

1399
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:53,480
person, get a sign
that's extremely important to them.

1400
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:56,520
You cannot replace that with, I hope

1401
01:01:56,800 --> 01:02:00,000
they'll be novelty or very unique things
that are built.

1402
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,480
You know, that the AI is a
is a thing I look at,

1403
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:06,600
you know, but I mean, it's
not going to replace the human element.

1404
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:08,720
I keep saying that. It's
just not it's not.

1405
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:09,120
Yeah.

1406
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:12,880
I mean, I'm really hoping I sometimes
wonder, do these producers, whoever's

1407
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:15,880
owns the content, the license holder,
do they know

1408
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:19,760
that the that the actors themselves
are so important to the fan experience.

1409
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:21,040
That's good I don't know.

1410
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:22,160
Do they care?

1411
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:24,520
I don't know, but I hope I have to hope.

1412
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:25,000
I'll tell you.

1413
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:28,440
There's directors and I tell this story
and it just warms my heart.

1414
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:32,760
My friend was trying to do a ADR line
and the actor couldn't hit it very well.

1415
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:36,240
At the end of the day, actor's gone
and my friend, the engineer

1416
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:41,440
basically like goes in and fixes
it, comes up with an option using AI,

1417
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,640
and he calls up the director and he says,
I got it fixed.

1418
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:47,480
I don't think you're going to
like how I did it, but I got it fixed.

1419
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,600
And the director says,
I don't want to hear it.

1420
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:50,480
I don't want to like it.

1421
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:51,360
I don't want to hear it.

1422
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:55,240
And don't just forget it
like we got what we got that day.

1423
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:56,040
It's good enough.

1424
01:02:56,040 --> 01:03:00,200
And that that was you know, they, like
some people don't even want to have any

1425
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:03,320
anything to do with it
within their productions at all.

1426
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:04,640
So it's. Yeah.

1427
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:05,400
Well that's good.

1428
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,880
I mean, like I said, I had a gig today.

1429
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:11,720
So as of this moment
I am not personally experiencing,

1430
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:15,600
you know, necessarily
a slowdown or being replaced yet.

1431
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:19,080
But I am also acutely aware
that that could happen at any moment.

1432
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,240
So, you know, I'm I'm grateful.

1433
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:23,480
From my perspective, it has not happened.

1434
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:24,000
The things I'm

1435
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:27,240
working on or high enough profile
and they have the big enough budget

1436
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:31,000
where they still want the real deal,
they still want real humans, you know.

1437
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:32,040
But he knows.

1438
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:35,120
I mean, I'm not going to hold my breath
because in other words, I'm

1439
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:38,360
saving my residuals,
you know, like, yeah, we just don't.

1440
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:39,000
And thank goodness

1441
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:42,040
for those, you know, but,
we just don't know where this is going.

1442
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:46,160
And we have to sort of plan for the worst,
hope for the best, plan for the worst.

1443
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,320
But, but, you know, I'm
going to enjoy it while it lasts.

1444
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:51,360
I'm grateful to be here for now.

1445
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:54,080
If anything could could end,
you know what I mean?

1446
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:58,320
Like, so I'm just going to enjoy it
and try to be as good as I can at this

1447
01:03:58,320 --> 01:03:59,520
while I can.

1448
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:03,840
And I always say in terms of voiceover,
if this is going extinct, who knows?

1449
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:05,560
I'm going down on this ship.

1450
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:07,440
Bottom line, like this is it for me.

1451
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:11,160
So, I will be one of the last voice
actors standing if that's what happens.

1452
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:15,080
But as you say, I have
you have no other marketable skills.

1453
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:16,800
Yeah, exactly.

1454
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:19,560
Completely. I know that I'm a total bum.

1455
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:22,320
Yeah.

1456
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:25,320
I don't know about the skills whatsoever.

1457
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:27,720
Yes, well, that was fun.

1458
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:30,960
Is it over the pro audio suite?

1459
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:33,960
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1460
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:38,880
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1461
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:40,200
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1462
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:43,880
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1463
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:47,200
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1464
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:49,080
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01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:52,880
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1466
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:54,720
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