The Future of Voice Licensing: AI, James Earl Jones, and the Ethics of Voice Replication

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Now, onto the topic for today's podcast, yes,

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it's the old AI bandwagon.

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So, you know, we all know there's a

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good side and there's a bad side to

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AI.

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The good side is the way James Earl

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Jones signed over his, or licensed his voice

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to Disney.

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So his family or the trust or whatever

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get paid every time they use it.

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What a legacy though, too.

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Imagine that.

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For generations to come, your voice will still

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be heard.

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That's amazing, isn't it?

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When you think about that.

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It's kind of weird, actually.

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I'm not sure about that.

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Anyway, but on the flip side, and this

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was something that popped up, I saw a

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couple of weeks ago.

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There's a guy called Paul Sky Learman and

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Linear Sage.

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They were listening to a podcast about AI

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and it was an interview with an AI

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powered chat bot with text to speech.

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The AI had Paul Sky Learman's voice.

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So when they got home to their apartment,

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they started finding out where this is all

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coming from.

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They traced it.

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And then they found her voice as well.

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So you can gather there is a lawsuit

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going on as we speak.

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And I think the company's, well, I won't

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do the company name because we get sued.

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Haven't we covered this?

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Isn't that not stolen?

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Stolen what?

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There's something that's not protected.

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Isn't that what we understand?

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Well, I don't know.

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If there's not permission to use it, I'm

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guessing it's like using an image, isn't it?

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When we had that lawyer guy on not

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all that long ago, that wasn't the case.

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We don't own our voice.

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Remember we had the Australian lawyer on not

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all that long ago, well, a couple of

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years ago now, and he was going, well,

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we actually don't own our voices.

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Well, he's wrong.

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Yeah.

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But so what's the deal, Robert?

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What do you think?

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I think that all, I won't name them,

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I guess, but the AI companies that are

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letting any Yahoo in the world just upload

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whatever audio they want of someone's voice that

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they don't own, and it's not their voice,

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and upload it into someone's server so it

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can be put into the soup of synthesized

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voices and used as basically intellectual property, I

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think it's horrible.

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I think that if you should absolutely own

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the rights to whatever you upload into some

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AI engine, and the fact that these companies

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are basically going, like it's some porn website,

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sure I'm 18, sure I have permission to

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upload this voice, they're just enabling fucking theft,

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and I think it's bullshit, and you can

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edit out all those swear words.

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Not on this show you're not.

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When do I ever edit them out, Robert,

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let's be honest.

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Well yeah, this is deplorable, and there's an

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article in a website called futurism.com talking

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about the fact that James gave up the

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rights to that voice a few days before

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he sold them.

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Well, a few days before he passed, he

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finalized the deal, it was initially duplicated by

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Respeacher, which is a company based in Kyiv,

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and when these guys have been literally at

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war, they've been in their bunkers writing software.

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Well, do you know what other software these

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guys are writing in their bunkers?

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Source Elements, I'm guessing.

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Yeah, there's a lot of very smart, and

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people that don't have a lot of other

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good things to be doing right now in

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Ukraine, coding.

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But then it also turns out that another

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voice from the same film, from Star Wars,

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his voice got used, and 22 years after

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his death, the character was Grand Moff Tarkin.

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Yeah, Governor Tarkin, he was the guy who,

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in the original Star Wars, who blows up

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the Tatooine.

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Yeah, the claim is that Cushing told him

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prior to his death in 1994 that nobody

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was to digitally recreate his likeness without his

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express permission.

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This is 94.

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Disney claimed in its response that it paid

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Cushing's agent to use his likeness to revive

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the Tarkin character in Rogue One, and that

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Francis was seeking unjust enrichment when suing, I'm

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sorry, I didn't mention who Francis is, that

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must be his agent, or lawyer, maybe.

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Kevin Francis, a producer who worked with the

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late actor Peter Cushing, is suing.

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Interesting.

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He won 650 grand, and that's in court.

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Now there's like, you know, whatever Jones signed

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on a contract for his feature is probably

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better than when he got paid for the

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film in 1977, which is like seven grand.

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Jesus, I mean, you know, Disney have got

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it forever now, so you can only imagine

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what the figure might be.

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If you did a dodgy contract, and you

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just did a flat fee without residuals, you'd

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be kidding yourself.

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You know who I want to know what

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they earn, and I also want to know

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if it's a real voice, you know that

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TikTok voice, that, these guys are a rage,

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blah, blah, blah, blah, do you- Oh,

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yeah, but that's used a lot, I'm so

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tired of hearing it.

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Because if that's an actual voice, and not

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sort of synthesized, I hope he made some

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good money out of selling his voice, because

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Jesus, it's just everywhere, every second video.

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I doubt it.

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The first voice of TikTok, you know, we

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did that story, right?

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She sued them, because they stole her voice,

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and you know, she went out of court,

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she settled out of court, but Bev Standing

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is her name, she's a Canadian actor, and

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you know, that was sort of a watershed,

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in a lot of ways, and I don't

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know what's come of that, but you know,

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there's other- Well, she got something, at

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least, but I don't like sometimes when people

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settle out of court, when companies do dubious,

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illegal things, because it just hides it all,

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and makes them seem- I know, but

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all you do is feed the lawyers, too,

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that's the other problem, though.

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Give them a bucket of money, when you

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could just be going, well, thanks, I'll take

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that.

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I'd like to see a company like TikTok

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get bled dry.

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I will say this, my friends at Nava,

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you know, Tim Friedlander and Karin Kilfrey, they're

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doing the work here in the US, they're

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going to Congress, they're going to, literally, the

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war room, like two, three weeks ago, Tim

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and Karin were in the war room, that's

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where they had the meeting, to discuss this

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stuff.

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So they're trying to find ways to protect

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actors' likenesses, and they are, of course, getting

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the government involved, because that's what we need

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here, is laws to protect people from exploitation

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by corporations, and so they're trying to do

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that, and we'll see what comes of it,

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and it's because they're getting money from Nava

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members, the National Association of VoiceOver is getting

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paid dues, and they're using that dues to

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do stuff like this.

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I hope it works out, I hope it

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really does make change, and I hope that

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people's- Why isn't SAG on the forefront

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of that?

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They're a slow-moving, giant, you know-

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We've got the same thing here, we've got

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a body called AVA, the Australian Association of

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Voice Actors, they're doing exactly the same as

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NAVA, or Nava, so they're meeting with governments,

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they've had a couple of meetings, and it's

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been tabled in Parliament as well, about all

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this AI stuff, but that was my question,

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why is our union not doing it?

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What does your union do, though?

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Think about how many people are involved in

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steering what happens in the union, right?

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Whereas Nava, it's really like two or three

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people taking actual action on the behalf of

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thousands, you scale it up to the union

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where it's hundreds taking on the actions of

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millions, it's just a slow-moving bureaucracy crap

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fest.

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I think it's straight simple, it's plagiarism, if

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you quote somebody, you have to give them

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credit, and sucking in a bunch of information

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that's not yours and turning it into code

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is theft.

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I agree.

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Well, it's funny, because before we started recording

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this, you were talking about a friend of

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yours who ended up on, was it Kanye?

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You were talking about a Kanye song?

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Yeah, he has one particular line in the

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song Gold Digger, it's the line, get up,

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get down, that guy that says that line.

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And so he was recorded in what context?

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His father.

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His father was in a soul funk band

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in the 60s, and a lot of rappers,

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like, get up, get down, found that sample,

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they liked it, Kanye put it in Gold

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Digger, and he got sued, and he won,

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you know?

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So the fella beat, the fella won over

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Kanye and got paid by Kanye's team.

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It's like Kanye took it out and used

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Ani instead, get down, get out.

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But it's like, if you talk about that,

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so you get a royalty for that, for

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someone taking your voice, for using it in

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the song, someone gets your image and uses

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it, then you can sue them for using

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your image without permission.

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And you know, the whole thing that's going

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on at the moment with the Trump thing

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with Foo Fighters and Taylor Swift and all

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those people, they're all suing him for using

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their music without permission, but for some peculiar

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reason, it doesn't seem to be illegal to

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use or sample my voice or any other

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voice actor's voice for an AI.

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It's weird.

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Because it's never had to be, though.

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That's the thing.

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I mean, we, you know, and we all

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know the law doesn't keep up, and I'm

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not defending this at all, because I totally

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agree with Robert.

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I mean, you can't just do this.

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I'm not saying I disagree, but I think

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the problem is that this is all so

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new that the law just hasn't had a

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chance to keep up and sort of go,

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okay, well, we need to change here.

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It's not new.

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You know?

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Theft is old.

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It's like, I don't know, prostitution and theft,

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like the first two.

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Yeah, but you know what, it hasn't been

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as prevalent, I mean, how long since, you

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know, it's been a good few years that

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we've talked about this now, okay, it's probably

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three or four years, but I mean, in

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legal sense, that's the blink of an eye,

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you know?

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And it's like, it needs to keep up,

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and I think that's where Nava and Ava

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and, you know, their little twin sisters, you

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know, need to sort of get on to

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government and make, and yeah, and protest for

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change, absolutely.

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It doesn't need to change.

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It just needs to, people need to realize

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it falls under the oldest goddamn law, which

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is thou shall not steal.

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Yeah, but that's the problem at the moment.

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It's not stealing.

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That's the thing.

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It is.

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Yeah, it is.

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It's still stealing, and I don't know why

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they're just, the law doesn't see it as

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stealing.

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That's the thing.

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The law doesn't specifically say you can't do

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this.

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You've still got to go to court and

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prove your case.

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That's the problem.

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The law doesn't specifically say you can't do

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this, and that's the issue.

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Okay, and that's why Bev should not have

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settled out of court with TikTok.

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Well, true.

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Yeah.

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But, you know, you can't put it all

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on her either, I mean, Jesus, can you

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imagine the stress and everything else that she

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must have gone through to get to that

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resolution, you know?

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It's like...

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If she didn't, then there would have been

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an official conviction on the books and a

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precedent.

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I agree.

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But I totally can see where Bev went,

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fuck that, they're throwing a good amount of

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money at me, I'll take that, that's all

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I was after in the first place, thank

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you very much, you know, I get that.

348
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Yeah, it's pretty scary.

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Yeah, I get it as well, but it

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would be nice to actually have set a

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precedent in court.

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I think the precedent could be set in

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the fact they settled out of court, so

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I gather you could probably still use that.

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Well, you know, he said, we're not admitting

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guilt, we're just paying her off for all

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the bullshit we did.

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Yeah.

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It's like, well, isn't that admitting guilt if

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you're paying her off, because if you didn't

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do anything wrong, why are you giving her

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money?

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Right.

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Well, just to wrap it completely in a

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circle, going back to James Earl Jones, did

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you know that the rumor is, is that

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when you hear on CNN, the voice of

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James Earl Jones saying, this is CNN, that

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that was stolen.

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Really?

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Really?

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Yes.

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What?

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Not that they stole his voice, that it

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was one of those things, you know, when

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a celebrity goes to a radio show and

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they're like, can you do a liner for

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us?

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That's what it was.

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And guess what?

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Yeah.

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He became, this is CNN on CNN.

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And that voice was used over and over.

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And eventually one of his people was like,

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uh, yo, what the hell?

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Pay us.

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Pay us up, motherfucker.

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Hang on.

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Can we take a step back?

390
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So are we saying that because he agreed

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to record that line for CNN, that that's

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stolen?

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Is that what you're saying?

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Well, that's, this is a gray area.

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Because I'm just thinking, I put artist IDs

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in promos and stuff every day.

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G'day, this is Bruce Springsteen, you know, John

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Lennon, blah, blah, blah.

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I think it falls a bit differently in

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the, you know, cause I was thinking the

401
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same thing, but when you'd use like, you

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know, this, hi, this is- Yeah.

403
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Okay.

404
00:14:18,660 --> 00:14:18,880
Yeah.

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It's a misrepresentation, I guess.

406
00:14:21,540 --> 00:14:21,700
Yeah.

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More than anything else.

408
00:14:22,660 --> 00:14:24,200
Well, this is actually like an ID.

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This is like a full branding, basically.

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10 years of proof.

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This is CNN.

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That line right there.

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It sounds cool though, I have to say.

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It sounds good.

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00:14:35,620 --> 00:14:36,560
You're probably right.

416
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It's very wrong, but it sounds very cool.

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00:14:40,820 --> 00:14:42,980
It's a shame they haven't got a presenter

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called Luke, because you could have him going,

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00:14:44,860 --> 00:14:45,920
Luke.

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00:14:47,380 --> 00:14:48,660
Luke, who should they listen to?

421
00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:49,740
Who should they be watching?

422
00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:51,640
Luke, who do we trust for news?

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I was going to say to you guys,

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I recorded him because he was also the

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voice of Verizon.

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And I was, I don't know, 20 something,

427
00:15:03,020 --> 00:15:06,660
one of my first ISDN sessions, sweating balls

428
00:15:06,660 --> 00:15:08,960
because I'm going to have James Earl Jones,

429
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you know, on the mic.

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And he was, two things.

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First of all, he was the nicest person

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ever.

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00:15:15,580 --> 00:15:17,240
Like, you know, what's your name?

434
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Oh, hello, Robert.

435
00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:19,160
Right, right.

436
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Not the persona that he had.

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Like, he came on Letterman, you know, and

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they did this thing, top 10 things that

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00:15:24,300 --> 00:15:25,900
sound cool when James Earl Jones says it.

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And he stands there extremely stone-faced and

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stoic.

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He just was like, in this character, you

443
00:15:30,940 --> 00:15:31,060
know?

444
00:15:31,500 --> 00:15:32,500
That's not who he is.

445
00:15:33,100 --> 00:15:33,980
Super nice guy.

446
00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:35,180
No, he's very nice.

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Super affable.

448
00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:37,700
I don't know if you know this, but

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he, like, he wants his scripts ahead of

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time.

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He had a, he's, you know, he had

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a...

453
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Does his homework.

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00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:46,180
Well, he got an award from, you know,

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SovAs, Voice Arts Awards.

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And, you know, of course they wanted to

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get a great name on stage.

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But, you know, for a reason, the guy's

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a legit voice actor who really does his

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work.

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He's not, he's not a celebrity who shows

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up, does their own voice as a character,

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like a donkey, and then goes on, goes

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on and says, I don't get the big

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freaking deal.

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I just do the voice.

467
00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:08,960
Why is voiceover so hard?

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I'm not going to say whose name this

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is, but it's a stand-up comedian.

470
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But that was a lot of BS, you

471
00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:15,820
know, when he said that.

472
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He does have such an amazing voice, though,

473
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because I swear to God, he can punch

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you through the speakers.

475
00:16:21,180 --> 00:16:21,440
Yeah.

476
00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:22,540
Well, like Don.

477
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Kind of like Don did, right?

478
00:16:23,740 --> 00:16:24,580
Yeah.

479
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Yeah, yeah.

480
00:16:25,460 --> 00:16:26,700
You know, this was in 1991.

481
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He did the voice of the CNN for

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an appearance.

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And then he came on the show, Personalities.

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This is an article on a website called

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CBR.com.

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You can look it up.

487
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And Howard Jones then started telling people he

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never agreed to do those liners.

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He appeared on the TV series, Personalities, where

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he claimed, I think it may have been

491
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a freebie.

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I may have just been doing an interview

493
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like this.

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And the CNN interviewer said, Oh, Mr. Jones,

495
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would you please read this?

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This is CNN.

497
00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:57,200
And that's how it happened.

498
00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,940
So that's a little sneaky thing.

499
00:17:02,180 --> 00:17:04,359
And you can almost say it was ignorant

500
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because it was 1990.

501
00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:06,420
I don't know.

502
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Someone had some foresight, though, didn't they?

503
00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:09,480
Jesus.

504
00:17:10,579 --> 00:17:11,640
I mean, James L.

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Jones, Morgan Freeman, some of those guys, I

506
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mean, they could say anything and you'd just

507
00:17:15,599 --> 00:17:17,060
melt in your chair, really, wouldn't you?

508
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Yeah.

509
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Let's be honest.

510
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I have not heard a very convincing soundalike

511
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of James Earl Jones.

512
00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,040
I've heard a lot of good soundalikes of

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Morgan Freeman, and I know a guy that

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does.

515
00:17:26,599 --> 00:17:28,100
Who's the guy who does Tony the Tiger

516
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now?

517
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Earl.

518
00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:32,420
Oh, the original was Earl, right?

519
00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:33,240
Ravenscroft.

520
00:17:33,420 --> 00:17:33,660
Earl.

521
00:17:33,700 --> 00:17:34,580
Earl Ravenscroft.

522
00:17:34,580 --> 00:17:36,240
But the guy who does Tony the Tiger.

523
00:17:36,500 --> 00:17:38,020
Oh, it's somebody I know.

524
00:17:38,820 --> 00:17:39,620
Who is it?

525
00:17:40,900 --> 00:17:43,400
Here's something, I guess, to throw around, something

526
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to think about.

527
00:17:43,900 --> 00:17:46,880
Now, if these AI laws went through, I

528
00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:48,780
wonder what that means for impersonations.

529
00:17:51,260 --> 00:17:54,480
I mean, I know you can't just do

530
00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,480
Morgan Freeman now, but I wonder what it

531
00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:01,300
means for even soundalikes or close to's or

532
00:18:01,300 --> 00:18:03,160
whatever that we seem to get away with

533
00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:03,760
at the moment.

534
00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:05,960
I wonder what that means.

535
00:18:06,180 --> 00:18:07,840
That's a good question because I'm sure the

536
00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:09,400
lawyers for the AI companies are going to

537
00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,460
say it's not really them, it's an impersonation.

538
00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,800
But I did a session with George, your

539
00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,360
client, David Kay, right?

540
00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,100
And he's freaking amazing.

541
00:18:20,420 --> 00:18:25,260
He's doing, who's the nature documentary guy?

542
00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:25,860
David Attenborough.

543
00:18:25,980 --> 00:18:26,360
David Attenborough.

544
00:18:26,360 --> 00:18:27,600
He's doing an Attenborough thing.

545
00:18:27,820 --> 00:18:30,940
Yeah, he does an Attenborough, like, you know.

546
00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:32,180
Oh, he's so good at it.

547
00:18:32,180 --> 00:18:33,660
Would you say it's his voice match, or

548
00:18:33,660 --> 00:18:35,040
would you say he's doing an impression?

549
00:18:36,060 --> 00:18:37,980
He's doing an impression, but it's very good.

550
00:18:37,980 --> 00:18:38,400
But it's so close.

551
00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,060
And it's so funny when he goes into

552
00:18:40,060 --> 00:18:40,300
it.

553
00:18:40,420 --> 00:18:40,540
Yeah, it's good.

554
00:18:40,540 --> 00:18:42,340
Because every time he starts a take, he

555
00:18:42,340 --> 00:18:45,140
goes, I'm 93.

556
00:18:47,540 --> 00:18:51,460
There's a sporting bet company here, and you'd

557
00:18:51,460 --> 00:18:52,780
have to fact check me on this because

558
00:18:52,780 --> 00:18:55,080
I'm not sure 100% of the details,

559
00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:56,740
but I do know that these ads exist.

560
00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:00,340
And there's a radio announcer called Mick Malloy,

561
00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,080
and he's famous for being a really funny

562
00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:04,400
guy.

563
00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,720
And the story goes that they approached him

564
00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,140
to do ads for Sportsbet, right?

565
00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:12,700
And he said no.

566
00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,260
So what they've done is they've found someone

567
00:19:15,260 --> 00:19:16,480
who can do a Mick Malloy.

568
00:19:16,820 --> 00:19:18,240
And so now, all of a sudden, Mick

569
00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,480
Malloy has been on Sportsbet for the last

570
00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:21,880
two years or something.

571
00:19:22,340 --> 00:19:22,760
I know.

572
00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:23,220
I know.

573
00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:24,160
When I first heard that, I thought, what

574
00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:24,260
are you doing, Mick?

575
00:19:24,260 --> 00:19:25,200
Now, hang on.

576
00:19:25,360 --> 00:19:26,820
But if we're going to go down the

577
00:19:26,820 --> 00:19:29,720
AI road, what's the difference here?

578
00:19:30,020 --> 00:19:31,580
To me, that falls under the same category.

579
00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:32,160
It's theft, right?

580
00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:32,840
It's got to be.

581
00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,200
When I first heard that, I thought, why

582
00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:38,040
would you not actually, say, give them a

583
00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:38,180
disease?

584
00:19:38,940 --> 00:19:40,940
Again, I don't think he can.

585
00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:46,220
When we do, I've done some radio commercials,

586
00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,140
and the star of the radio commercial has

587
00:19:48,140 --> 00:19:49,700
a little legal thing that says, celebrity voice

588
00:19:49,700 --> 00:19:50,480
is impersonated.

589
00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,580
Which is the other thing about AI.

590
00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,480
Should it be like, in Europe, everything that's

591
00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:00,800
a GMO is listed, and there's those who

592
00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:02,220
think that anything that comes out of AI

593
00:20:02,220 --> 00:20:03,600
should be listed as such.

594
00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:05,820
But in America, you don't know whether, fuck,

595
00:20:05,900 --> 00:20:09,060
your food is synthesized or real.

596
00:20:09,500 --> 00:20:10,480
Well, if we're going to get on the

597
00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:14,300
disinformation bandwagon, then yeah, anything like that should

598
00:20:14,300 --> 00:20:16,140
be under the microscope, shouldn't it?

599
00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:16,780
Let's be honest.

600
00:20:17,120 --> 00:20:17,400
I agree.

601
00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:22,040
California, we're the masters of disclosing chemicals, because

602
00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,760
you drive into any gas station in California,

603
00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:26,280
and there's a sign on the gas pump

604
00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,560
saying, there are chemicals known here by the

605
00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,040
state of California to cause cancer.

606
00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,340
It's on every single gas pump in California.

607
00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:36,660
So, we are the kings of that.

608
00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:37,540
We voted that in.

609
00:20:37,740 --> 00:20:39,160
And it's one of those things, it's noise.

610
00:20:39,460 --> 00:20:40,680
Nobody cares anymore.

611
00:20:41,100 --> 00:20:41,940
It's just noise.

612
00:20:42,380 --> 00:20:43,820
It always makes me laugh when you see

613
00:20:43,820 --> 00:20:46,460
glue packets and stuff like that says, caution,

614
00:20:46,620 --> 00:20:49,160
deliberately enhancing and inhaling the contents may be

615
00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:49,920
harmful or fatal.

616
00:20:50,100 --> 00:20:52,540
And it's like, wow, there's a revelation.

617
00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:54,580
You mean those are user instructions on how

618
00:20:54,580 --> 00:20:55,420
to get fucked up?

619
00:20:56,420 --> 00:20:56,860
Exactly.

620
00:20:56,860 --> 00:20:58,580
In other words, go away and try this.

621
00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,800
Are there pictures of a baby on plastic

622
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,920
bags saying, don't put your baby in the

623
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:05,940
bag to play for playtime?

624
00:21:05,940 --> 00:21:08,740
No, but there probably will be soon, given

625
00:21:08,740 --> 00:21:10,700
this government's tendencies.

626
00:21:11,740 --> 00:21:14,200
We have plastic bags that are made in

627
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,160
the billions in China that each have an

628
00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,580
image printed on it saying, do not let

629
00:21:18,580 --> 00:21:19,940
your baby play with the bag.

630
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:20,980
That's funny.

631
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,340
There's another thing where those little flat button

632
00:21:24,340 --> 00:21:26,940
cell batteries, they're 2032s, they're the ones doing

633
00:21:26,940 --> 00:21:27,880
so many things now.

634
00:21:28,260 --> 00:21:29,800
They have new ones that taste bad.

635
00:21:30,340 --> 00:21:30,780
Oh, really?

636
00:21:31,120 --> 00:21:32,760
To stop kids putting them in their mouths.

637
00:21:32,940 --> 00:21:34,800
There's actually a chemical and it's printed on

638
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,120
the thing and it says there's like a

639
00:21:36,120 --> 00:21:37,620
baby's face with a frown.

640
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:39,120
Are they going to do that with 9

641
00:21:39,120 --> 00:21:39,220
-volt batteries too?

642
00:21:39,220 --> 00:21:40,540
If they put it in their mouth, it

643
00:21:40,540 --> 00:21:42,060
tastes bad so they'll spit it out.

644
00:21:42,260 --> 00:21:43,220
It's actually quite scary.

645
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:44,500
Are they going to do that with 9

646
00:21:44,500 --> 00:21:45,040
-volt batteries?

647
00:21:45,580 --> 00:21:47,860
Well, 9-volt batteries, it's an actual chemical

648
00:21:47,860 --> 00:21:49,700
reaction from the electricity on your tongue.

649
00:21:49,740 --> 00:21:50,540
Yeah, when you put it on your tongue.

650
00:21:50,540 --> 00:21:52,960
But these batteries don't really have, they're only

651
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:53,540
three volts.

652
00:21:53,740 --> 00:21:54,880
You don't really get much of it.

653
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,280
When you're testing OB or something, you go,

654
00:21:58,620 --> 00:21:59,560
oh yeah, the battery's okay.

655
00:21:59,620 --> 00:22:01,240
I've done it a thousand times.

656
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:01,800
Yeah, yes.

657
00:22:02,500 --> 00:22:02,940
I know.

658
00:22:03,700 --> 00:22:04,720
I used to do that when I was

659
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:04,820
a kid.

660
00:22:04,900 --> 00:22:05,300
Absolutely.

661
00:22:05,700 --> 00:22:06,320
With a 9-volt battery.

662
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:08,120
Stick your tongue in my mouth.

663
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,500
Do you know what Rebecca was telling me?

664
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:17,840
Apparently in New Zealand, they have these electric

665
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,560
fences for farms.

666
00:22:21,020 --> 00:22:21,640
Don't use your tongue.

667
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,400
Don't piss on them either, let me tell

668
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:24,500
you.

669
00:22:25,220 --> 00:22:27,120
Well, don't piss on them either, right?

670
00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:29,320
But apparently kids would do this game because

671
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,000
the electric fence is electrified in a pulse.

672
00:22:32,420 --> 00:22:34,300
It doesn't stay electrified the whole time.

673
00:22:34,980 --> 00:22:36,560
So the thing is, wait for it to

674
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,420
hit, then grab it, and hold on for

675
00:22:39,420 --> 00:22:40,560
it as long as you can, and then

676
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:41,740
let go before it hits again.

677
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,160
And of course, you end up holding on

678
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:44,800
to it too long.

679
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,620
And she said, she described how it is

680
00:22:47,620 --> 00:22:50,840
to have the electricity build up, and it

681
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,040
warms you up inside.

682
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:53,360
And it's like, whoomp.

683
00:22:54,260 --> 00:22:55,200
I was like, holy cow.

684
00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:58,520
Get on your ribcage.

685
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,960
There's a show here in Australia about working

686
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,600
dogs, and it's a competition where Australia's best

687
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:09,320
working dog trainers get puppies, and they raise

688
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:10,860
them, and they have competition to see who

689
00:23:10,860 --> 00:23:11,880
can raise the best working dog.

690
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:12,760
Anyway, long story short.

691
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:14,520
I'm pretty sure it was in this, or

692
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:15,340
it might have been something else.

693
00:23:15,540 --> 00:23:17,680
But there's this scene in something that I

694
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:17,880
saw.

695
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,420
One of these puppies went up to the

696
00:23:19,420 --> 00:23:22,900
electric fence and takes a bite of the

697
00:23:22,900 --> 00:23:23,160
fence.

698
00:23:23,340 --> 00:23:24,820
And just before it bites down, you hear

699
00:23:24,820 --> 00:23:28,740
this crack like an electric jump, electric voltage.

700
00:23:28,980 --> 00:23:31,180
And this poor puppy goes off screaming down

701
00:23:31,180 --> 00:23:31,520
the paddock.

702
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,460
Yelp, yelp, yelp, yelp, yelp, yelp, running away

703
00:23:33,460 --> 00:23:34,120
from the fence.

704
00:23:34,660 --> 00:23:35,400
It's very funny.

705
00:23:36,140 --> 00:23:38,200
Aussie cattle dogs are super popular here.

706
00:23:38,260 --> 00:23:39,240
My friend's got a mix.

707
00:23:39,380 --> 00:23:42,120
Everybody loves an Aussie cattle dog mix.

708
00:23:42,140 --> 00:23:42,960
Blue cattle dogs?

709
00:23:43,300 --> 00:23:43,920
Or Kelpies?

710
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:44,340
Yeah.

711
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,920
Blue is the hero there.

712
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:48,720
I wonder if that's because of Bluey, which

713
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,560
is now the number one show in the

714
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:51,560
entire world.

715
00:23:51,900 --> 00:23:53,900
It's massive, massive, massive, massive.

716
00:23:54,120 --> 00:23:56,560
Dan and Joe, congratulations, since we're on that

717
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:56,880
subject.

718
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:57,340
Full stop.

719
00:23:57,460 --> 00:24:00,700
Something in the $2 billion valuation or something.

720
00:24:01,100 --> 00:24:02,740
You probably used to see a mate of

721
00:24:02,740 --> 00:24:04,320
mine with his Kelpie.

722
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:05,380
Wow.

723
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,020
Down on, he used to take it for

724
00:24:08,020 --> 00:24:08,680
a walk down at Malibu.

725
00:24:08,700 --> 00:24:09,040
Oh, really?

726
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:09,500
Yeah.

727
00:24:09,900 --> 00:24:10,720
They're so popular.

728
00:24:11,300 --> 00:24:12,820
Kelpies, my friend has a mix.

729
00:24:12,900 --> 00:24:14,080
You'd always get told off because it's always

730
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:14,360
off-limits.

731
00:24:14,360 --> 00:24:14,980
Yeah, he loves it.

732
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:16,700
Kelpies are great.

733
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,260
Good luck with editing that one.

734
00:24:18,860 --> 00:24:20,340
There's just a huge chunk in the middle

735
00:24:20,340 --> 00:24:21,200
that's coming out.

736
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:24,780
It's going to be a donut.

737
00:24:25,100 --> 00:24:25,200
Yeah.

738
00:24:25,340 --> 00:24:26,520
Leave some silence in the middle.

739
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,200
We'll just put a censorship bleep in the

740
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:28,400
middle.

741
00:24:28,500 --> 00:24:28,800
There you go.

742
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:29,820
That would be very appropriate.

743
00:24:31,060 --> 00:24:31,880
Well, that was fun.

744
00:24:31,940 --> 00:24:32,340
Is it over?

745
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:33,480
Sounds like me.

746
00:24:33,780 --> 00:24:35,160
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