The Battle for Your Voice: Cissy Jones & Larissa Gallagher Take on AI | The Pro Audio Suite

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AI is a hot topic,
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to talk about trying to beat AI
or at least control it a little.

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We have the Russell, Gallaher and CC.

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You. Thanks for having us.

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Thanks for having us.
Oh, you've been had.

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If you believe you're really on the
podcast, thousands of admiring fans.

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Womp womp.

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Who wants to fire off first?

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How are you going to save
the voiceover industry from AI?

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We are.

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Thank you so much for asking.

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We are, you know.

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So here's the here's the thing.

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Larissa and I have both been voice
actors for many, many years.

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I've been a voice actress
for, 17, 18 years.

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I've worked in all the mediums
that there are here.

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And when I started finding my voice

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on multiple websites
without my consent,

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and when I reached out
to the companies that were,

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offering access to my voice for money
without paying me anything.

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And I said to them, hey, that's me.

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You don't have my permission to have

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my replica in the first place,
and you're not paying me for it.

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Please remove it.
They said no, really?

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They said you don't own your voice.

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And, they were right.

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So this approach has been multi-fold
number one.

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I sit on the board of the National
Association of Voice Actors.

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Anybody in the voiceover industry,
I would hope, is familiar with Nava

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and the work that they've been doing.

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They also spawned Ava
in Australia and Canada and,

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multiple other,
advocacy groups around the globe.

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We've been working with legislators
to get meaningful laws

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passed around the protection
of our voices.

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Adding the definition of voice
to biometric data

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and copyrightable data,
which is currently not a thing.

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So in addition
to doing the legislative path

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and really
working to get laws passed,

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you know, Larissa and I and

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our co-founder Julian started talking
and saying, you know,

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even if we get these laws passed,
there is nobody that is going to care

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more about a voice actors
voice than voice actors.

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Why are we not starting
our own company?

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Why are we not trying to beat them
at their own game?

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Why are we not planting a stake
in the ground and saying, great,

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we understand this technology is
here.

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It's not moving backwards.
It's only getting better.

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This is how we expect to be treated
as human beings and as professionals.

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And I think there's a a dignity
to that that other companies

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just aren't offering
because they are scraping every.

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So so I just want to peel
a few things back.

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Just the first thing you said,
which is you don't actually

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have rights to your own voice.

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Can you elaborate on currently?

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Yeah. Yeah. So we've never had to.

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So if you look at biometric data
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it always refers to name,
image, likeness.

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So for example, a celebrity can say
that's my picture on a billboard.

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You don't have my permission
to use my picture on a billboard.

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That is an infringement
of my rights of publicity.

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And you have to take it down.

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Great voice was never

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they never needed to add it
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because we never had technology
that could believably copy it until,

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several years ago.

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Well, they didn't pass any laws
about this, but several years ago,

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I believe it was a Toyota dealership.

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Hired
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because they went to Bette Midler
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hey, we really want you to do our ad.

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And she said, no, go pound rocks.

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And so they hired a sound
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as Bette Midler.

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She was able to sue and get it
taken down because she's a celebrity.

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Right.

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So she is able to get some,

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you know, rights of publicity

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associated to her voice
because she is a well known quantity.

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The rest of us are not.

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So right now
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you know, people getting fake
kidnaping

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phone calls from, like, a loved one
who's been kidnaped and sent $10,000

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to this Nigerian prince
to get your, kid back or whatever.

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And they're very believable
and they're very convincing,

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and they're not illegal yet
because there are no laws.

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So comment on this one.

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I can't name names,
but a friend of mine is the voice

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of a international reality
show, doing it for years.

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It's a good gig.

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And over the years,
they've, beat them up.

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We can't now pay
you residuals for international play.

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We're going to pay you a flat rate
for this.

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We're going to lower your contract
for that.

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Every year they sign it again
because they need the gig.

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And then one year they say we're
only going to hire you for pickups.

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And, and and they're like for what?

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They're like, well the pickups
we can't get the eye to do correctly.

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And then they say, well,
I didn't give you permission.

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And then they pull out
whatever contract they signed

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and said, well,

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you gave us the rights to own
everything and therefore we own it.

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We can pump it into the theft machine

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and you have no right to say that
we don't and kick rocks.

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And then they said, well, I guess
that's the end of our relationship.

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I'm never going to do a pickup
with you.

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So good luck using the I.

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And you have what you have, I guess.

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And it just destroyed the whole
or possibly I don't know, it's

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just an awful situation and it seems,
you know, obviously all driven

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by how far low can we drive
the budgets and drive profit.

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And it didn't need to happen.

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Laws are currently being crafted
to combat exactly that

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because we as voice actors,
you all know, have to typically

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sign contracts, especially for games
and especially for, you know,

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this type of job
that says in perpetuity

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throughout the known universe
and any technology

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currently existing
or to be developed.

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Well, I'm sorry, that cannot
hold up in a court of law.

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And there are laws being crafted
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that any contract
that was signed with that language

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cannot possibly
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that's ridiculous and egregious.

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So there is legislation coming,

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but the government takes its sweet
time to get it done.

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Yeah.

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If I can interject, that was
that was kind of part of that.

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Everyone, is part
of the other reason that,

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you know, kind
of we wanted to set this standard

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because the current companies out
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AI and providing these solutions
for everyone,

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a kind of throwing their hands
up in the air and going.

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But it's impossible.

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We can't do this.

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It's and it's not true.

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It's very difficult
because they built they did the old

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Silicon Valley, you know,

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for free, break things,
break out forgiveness later.

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And so we were like, well, look, part
of this is about setting a standard

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and proving that it can be done,
proving that it's not impossible,

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and that we're going to try
and do it.

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Part of our going to Sag-Aftra
was about saying, we want to create

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a training foundational model
that isn't scraped.

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Is it going to cost money? Yes.

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Is it going to be difficult? Yes.

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But if we can prove it can be done
and people are trying to do it,

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it just makes it a little bit harder
for the bad actors to go.

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But no, you can't, can't, can't
I don't know.

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So that's, that's kind of the,
the whole journey is as long as

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there are people

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who are doing the bad things
and there's

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no one proving that you can do it
otherwise,

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then why wouldn't they keep doing it?

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So we're we're we're on the journey
to kind of prove that it can be done.

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And we're making huge headway
with the companies coming to us

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going, please, this is all we want
because these guys are great

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and they're amazing.

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But the ethical authenticated
contract

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did past line
back to the beginning doesn't exist.

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And that's what we want.

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And that's what
we're kind of came about to show.

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We can do that
and we're going to make it happen.

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If I may also real quickly
because we come from this industry,

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we're not some tech bros coming in
and being like, yeah,

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but I got this tech and it's super,
bro dude.

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Right?

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We're actually

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coming in saying, listen,
we understand the existing ecosystem.

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Ecosystem.
We understand the infrastructure.

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We understand the agency landscape.

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This is the thing that we want
to include in this conversation.

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We're not trying to be
a casting place.

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We're not trying to be a marketplace.

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We want to make this a thing
that works for this industry, right?

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With a technology
that is getting insanely good.

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And if we don't step up and say,
cool, cool, cool, that's great.

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But I'm a human being and
this is how you work with my replica.

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This is my agent.

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She'll negotiate my contract right?

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We have to put our foot down
to say how we expect

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to be treated
in this situation. Right?

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I mean, there's

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just no difference to me
between then then musicians getting,

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you know, as soon as you replicate
more than 2 or 3 notes in a melody.

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Tenant.

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No no no no no no no no no
no no no no no.

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Anybody remember
that. Ice. Ice maybe.

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Oh sorry.

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It's melody.

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It's it's rhythm

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I mean what
what makes Christopher Walken

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Christopher Walken
is his delivery right.

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So you can't just,
you know, this translates directly

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to what voices are and voices
and likeness are to my in my opinion.

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But of course, these are prior
art things

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that you have to call against
and say, yo, yeah,

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I think the problem is
that the companies that did

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this went racing to an obvious fact,
and then they're like,

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well,
you didn't to find theft before.

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And it's like you knew absolutely
what it was before you started.

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And just because you have like,

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and the best parallel is,
is your image likeness.

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If this whole paradigm exists
with your image,

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how can it not exist with you?

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Well, and for Scarlett Johansson

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to get the traction she did
when OpenAI released her.

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Right.

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That's basically saying

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even if it was not Scarlett
Johansson at the end,

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if it was a different workflow,

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she clearly hired her
to sound like Scarlett

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and then released it with a tweet

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that said her, hi, here's
my right of publicity.

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You cannot make money off of my name.

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But but everyone deserves

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some some level of right,
of publicity, of their own voice.

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And and the other thing I think,
who is it like?

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Siri, not Siri? TikTok.

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When one voice actress Bev standing.
Yeah.

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Oh, she settled out of court.

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I think she settled so
no one knows what the settlement was.

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And I think that was a
bit of possibly a disservice,

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to, to not

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really rake them over the coals
in public and.

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Sure,
but she's a one person voice actress

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going up against a multi

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and national conglomerate
with billions of dollars.

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And she was.

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But if she had gone into open court,

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they would have dragged it out
for years.

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I mean, listen,

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we've had a lot of conversations
about like court cases, right?

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And oftentimes in a court case,
it doesn't matter if you're right, it

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matters if you have the money
to withstand the other guy.

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Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right.

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And he's something I was going to ask
you. Right.

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Because, you know, with what
you're suggesting, how does it work?

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Like it's okay for voice actors
and all that sort of stuff.

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It's going to be clear. Right.

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But say, you know, little Freddy
who has a podcast with his mate,

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they record in their bedroom.

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If someone
decided that they liked his voice

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and they were going to clone him,
how does he look after himself?

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Because little Freddy
can't even afford a court case.

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Let me tell you, you can't.

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Even voice actors can't do this
because I have clients that I know

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have loaded sub mixes into what
have you.

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I machine to get a scratch track out,
and there's no concept that,

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oh, I've loaded this until just like
the open end of it, that takes it.

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And the closest example I have
is like the fly

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where like you go into the pod
and the fly flew in the pod

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two and now your voice comes out

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with like a fly
sticking out the side of it.

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And, and you're in it,
you're in it, you're not in it.

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It's arguable that it's all you.

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It's half you because your data
has been put into this

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giant mill without you
having any input about that.

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And the fact that anybody
can put anybody's voice into it

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is a problem in and of itself.

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Agreed.

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There's only one way I can say
that you could have ever control this

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properly, control the input,

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and I can't see it actually happening
anyway.

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Is that there?

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If there was some way
and we talked about this

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with Tim Friedman,
was that correct for you?

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Friedlander.

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Friedlander. Friedlander.

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Sorry, who's the president of Nava,
by the way?

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And just an all around
amazing person.

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And just thinking of a musician,
I am.

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I'm thinking of the wetlands. Yeah.

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So, if
you could actually get some kind of,

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like, a fingerprint of your voice
that did it.

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We have actually partnered
with a group

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that has created
one of the most robust

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watermarking, tracing, tracking
technologies that we've seen.

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And we've evaluated a lot.

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But we found this company out of,

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a group of graduate students
out of USC that have created this

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really incredible watermarking
technology that is, lossless.

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It's it's, it's a visual token on

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an audio or visual,
you know, video, thing.

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It's label. So you can have it.

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If I record from home,
I can put a token on it from home.

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And then you send it
to the production studio,

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they can watermark it
there. It's got a different token.

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Go to your distribution
partners. It's got a different token.

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So you can see where any leaks
may happen.

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And also

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if it does end up on a non authorized
non sanctioned like YouTube page

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number one it will call home.
And so they

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we can see when it's being
unauthorized and used elsewhere.

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But the metadata
that's included in the watermark

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will point
anybody who clicks on that original

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or that YouTube link,
that unauthorized YouTube link

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will point them
back to the original data owner.

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So it actually generates
more sales for people.

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If it's put up on a, on
an unauthorized YouTube page,

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which is super, super cool,

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and it's also looking at data
poisoning technology that can,

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basically function like nightshade
for, visual art, where

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if you have
this technology on your visual art

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and somebody tries to upload it
through glaze or whatever,

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it will corrupt the file
and give you a useless piece of art.

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And so we've been talking
with other companies

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that are creating a data
poisoning software

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that will do the same thing
to your voice going through 11.

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So if they try to upload your voice

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through 11,
it will garble it and make it. Wow.

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Yeah.

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1111 is the biggest interesting here
isn't it?

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Like, well, I mean there's
a lot of different companies.

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11 is the 800 pound gorilla for sure,
because they have the most money

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and they have, you
know, venture capital backing.

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And they've been around, you know,
to be fair, they're not illegal.

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They're not doing anything
illegally yet.

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So yeah, it's. Yeah.

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And for the uninitiated like me, 1111
labs is a voice, voice AI platform.

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Okay.

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It's probably the most prolific
at this point.

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And they charge ten bucks a month
and you can have access

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to thousands of voices
in their marketplace.

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That's them calling.

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They're threatening a lawsuit
because we're talking about them.

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Sorry. And they are extraordinary.

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I do like they, they
they have really, you know,

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gotten some great technology
and they, they have offered a service

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to people who needed it at the time.

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What we're trying to do is say, hey,
there's a whole lot of people who,

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you know, who want to use something
different because,

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privacy is mandatory
or they just feel uncomfortable

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being in this kind of general
marketplace environment.

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They want a more B2B environment
or the training data.

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They want to be secured.

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And, Andrew Peters
gave me the finger in the best way.

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Oh, Andrew.

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Yeah, I do, I just, you know,
I decided just to for Robert

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because you do know 11 labs.

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Robert I well I know them
as soon as you said 11 labs.

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But I was sitting here going,
what the fuck's 11.

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Yeah.

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Because of the whole scandal
in Australia at the moment

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is there's a radio station using it.

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I just it has nothing to do with
Spinal Tap 11.

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Yeah. That scandal is outrageous,
by the way.

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But exactly.

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That's the point

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is that we're all about, you know,
we don't want to be the marketplace.

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We don't want to be.
Come and find voices.

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And you can make these voices
say whatever they want.

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The actors
that that have already signed with us

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to be digital replicas or any company

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that comes to us who says
we want to work with these people or,

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you know, find us some people,
whatever our our whole point

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is to try and help with onboarding
through agents and actors.

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But every actor,

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whilst they may not be able
to approve the script due to privacy

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or whatever secrecy IP protection,

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they will be able
to approve the general content.

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So it will be the actor saying yay
or nay

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rather than the tech platform going
ahead and saying we're fine with it.

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Because again, we're all about
we want it to be about AI

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complementing.

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Yes, the human voice actors work,
not about replacing it,

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so we don't want to offer it
to everyone

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because we want to make sure
that the companies we work with

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are companies that are looking
to complement the actors experience,

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as opposed to just do a quick, dirty
fix and rock the AI in.

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And thanks very much.

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Give me ten bucks and go, can I can
I ask you a quick question?

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If you if you
we look forward from here,

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let's look forward say another five
years even right by go back

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25 years.

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Right. Pretty much.

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And my we're all working at macaroni.

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Yeah. We're all what? Mac OS?
I wasn't born then. Sorry.

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My my best mates.

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Old man was the chairman
of the board of a company

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that was one of the first developers
in voice recognition.

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Right.

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He was the chairman of a company
in the UK that basically pioneered

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that stuff. Awesome.

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And I remember being on a car ride
with Roy, who was my mates dad,

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and we were talking about voiceover
and all these stuff, and he said,

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we were talking about
how voiceover works.

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And he said, there will come a day
where a voiceover artist

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won't be selling them,
going into a studio

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to do a session,
they will be selling.

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And back in those days
he said CD right, but they will be

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selling a file of their voice
to someone to use for the purpose.

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That's been described.

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Very Nostradamus of his. Fascinating.

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So that's how long this stuff's been
in the pipeline, is my point, right?

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That means the CIA has had it.

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For how long?

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Yeah, yeah, that's my point though.

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They were talking about these
like at the time they would the time

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they were developing new stuff
they're actually talking about.

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Okay, how do we do this.

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Well, and I would say even more stark
is this when I first

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really started paying attention
to this in 2020, it took about

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7 to 10

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hours of solid recording to get
a really good replica of a person.

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And you can do it one shot.

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And then in the beginning of,

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I was going to say at the beginning
of 2022, took about six hours,

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2024 took maybe an hour.

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And today you can literally do
what's called a zero shot for 3 to 5.

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I'll say something
about the zero shot.

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I think the zero shot
relies on insane

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amounts of previously collected
data on everybody else's voice

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from before
to understand the entire process.

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And so all of that is still based
on theft

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of everybody, because they've gone
and sampled the whole world.

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It's the same way that

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GTP could never have learned
and figured out everything

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without having the whole internet
to suck up.

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And, they've collected so many voices
now that they can do a one shot.

439
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You know that that is based
on having insane amounts of data,

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essentially the
and that goes back to what we're,

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you know,
I mean, all voice platforms.

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I mean, you know,
you can't build a house on, a swamp

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unless you kind of bring

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in the materials to support it,
but you have to live in another house

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until you can build the proper,
strong foundation.

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So I think, you know, the, the,
the craziness of zero shot

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is incredibly valuable to audio,
audio production houses, etc..

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So along the way of of getting there,
if we can create the foundation

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that it's not stolen voices,
but it's voices

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that who have signed a contract,
who get a licensing fee

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when that foundational model
is, is sold and licensed,

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then those actors have contributed
and are getting paid.

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And it's not scraped,
it's not stolen, it's not theft.

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But until we build it,
we have to live next door.

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Years and years ago,
I went to a meeting with the AA,

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which is the Australian Union
for actors,

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and they were talking about,

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kind of the way residuals work,
which we don't have here necessarily.

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We have rollovers
and stuff like that,

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but it was all about like basically
the amount of times an ad gets

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played, you get paid for it.

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And I said to them,
well, we have a system here already

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with the music industry,
which is APRA,

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where
because everything was computerized

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and radio,
every time a song gets played,

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it actually goes into a database

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and people know

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what songs being played and
they get their cut of their royalty.

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I said, why don't you do a number
with the same system

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which has all the all the information
in the key number,

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including the talent.

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So every time it gets played,
you get money.

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Like if you do a deal where you go,
okay, for three months only

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they could play that 10,000 times in
three months, or you do a 12 months.

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It could get played 500 times.

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So the whole thing
about the duration of the usage of

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that ad is irrelevant.

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When you look at
how many times it gets played.

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But talking of that system,
that's the kind of idea we need

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for our voices.

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So we have a key number
in everything that goes out with us.

482
00:21:34,360 --> 00:21:36,160
Our information
inside that key number,

483
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,160
which is basically what you were
talking about before. But

484
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:40,200
I thought I try

485
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,480
and yeah, I by the way, I got
I got Pooh poohed about that.

486
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,560
We have the MPAA. Yes.

487
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:50,440
Is Nava
the MPAA is the voiceover industry?

488
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,720
No. Nava is an advocacy group.

489
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,440
So Nava is not a union.

490
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,480
Nava is not trying to track residuals

491
00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,480
or any of that stuff because that's
a whole other set work.

492
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,680
But, but I mean, what's going to be
the equivalent of the MPAA

493
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,360
and the RIAA for voiceover?

494
00:22:05,360 --> 00:22:06,760
Someone's
going to have to step up and do it.

495
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:08,920
I mean, we are trying to get to
who who's

496
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,360
who's motivated, who's motivated
to do, who has the time and the money

497
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,840
and who wants to paint a target
on their boards.

498
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:17,400
Yeah, sure. Yeah.

499
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:17,880
I mean,

500
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,000
I mean, how much how much of
this is SAG and they after

501
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,560
it is like sitting back
and being reactionary instead of,

502
00:22:24,360 --> 00:22:25,680
on top of it actually.

503
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,640
Yeah,
there's a lot of really good things.

504
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,000
And I think SAG know, listen,
and I, I think SAG

505
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,200
could improve on a lot of things.

506
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,200
And I think voice over
is one of those things. Right.

507
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,200
We are often very overlooked.

508
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,480
In the greater sphere of things,
which is incredibly frustrating.

509
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:43,840
But, you know,

510
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,840
thanks to SAG, I have a pension
and I have health care.

511
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:48,160
Right.

512
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,200
So is it perfect? No,
it is certainly not.

513
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,400
But are we better than we would be
without it?

514
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:53,600
Yes, I believe so. Yeah.

515
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,360
I think it's
just the size of the contracts.

516
00:22:55,360 --> 00:22:59,400
Like a record label can is raking in
ginormous sums of money.

517
00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:02,480
Film industry
is raking in some sums of money, but

518
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,480
voice actors can be or not.

519
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,440
Yeah. Sorry. Game companies.

520
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:09,800
But the

521
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,800
actors themselves don't have that.

522
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:14,680
I don't know.

523
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:15,520
That's what's interesting.

524
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,320
Like recording artists have these,

525
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,200
have these copyright things
and all this stuff that protects

526
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,480
them, mechanical licenses
and all these things for voice

527
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,000
actors just never have had that.

528
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,000
But also, like, a recording artist
doesn't actually make money

529
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,120
until they go on tour, right? Well,
now they don't.

530
00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:30,880
They used to. That's true now. Yeah.

531
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,760
That's used to make a lot of money
before. Yeah.

532
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,840
We also used to make a lot of money
on a nationwide union commercial.

533
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:36,560
Right, right.

534
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:37,880
And those have gone the way the dodo.

535
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,920
So like,

536
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:41,560
is there room for improvement
all around?

537
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:42,920
Yes, absolutely.

538
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,720
Which is again,
why we have to figure out

539
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:50,480
how to put a stake in the ground
and say this, not that this.

540
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:50,720
And I

541
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:51,360
and I think,

542
00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:52,720
I think one of the things to realize

543
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,680
is that there's always going to be
the Wild West.

544
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:58,680
There's going to be technology
companies from whatever country

545
00:23:58,680 --> 00:23:59,400
that are going to be like,

546
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,360
we don't care about the rules and
and go sign up and go clone a voice.

547
00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:06,360
But as long as the sort of

548
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,640
whatever, like rules based like
if you want to be a legit company

549
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,440
in the US, in Europe, etc.,
selling product, making product,

550
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,080
having a decent name,

551
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:17,320
then you're going to play
by these rules

552
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:18,560
and you're not going to steal voices.

553
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,520
And then if you want to have like
some small time YouTube channel, that

554
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,880
or even YouTube shouldn't
allow any of it to be trafficked

555
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:26,640
within it. But,

556
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,120
you know, you can't put
all the toothpaste back in the tube,

557
00:24:30,120 --> 00:24:33,640
but I feel like you can get people
to voluntarily

558
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,320
take their little bit of toothpaste
and put it back in the tube

559
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,960
until there's
a significant amount of it. I've.

560
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,680
I've tried that, Robert,
and I've actually managed

561
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,680
to get most of the toothpaste
back in the tube

562
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,840
to squeeze all the air out
and then suck it back in.

563
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,040
Yeah, yeah. Did you did
you use it first?

564
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,040
Did you brush your teeth
and then somehow like,

565
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:51,240
wow, absolutely.

566
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,160
Waste
not want not recycling, man. Come on.

567
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,680
Well it's
clearly going to be a carrot and or

568
00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:01,120
and a stick kind of approach
to this thing change.

569
00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:03,000
It's going to be some of both.

570
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,120
I don't know
if anybody in the voiceover world

571
00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:06,520
has a big enough stick.

572
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,520
But you know, there's
a lot of carrots out there.

573
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,200
I think one of the other things
that it's not just the actors,

574
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,440
it is everything that revolves around
the actors.

575
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,920
There's entire scopes of layers
of industry and peeling the onion.

576
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:22,880
And this is what I do.

577
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,200
I have a terrible voice,
but I edit a lot of voice.

578
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,280
You know, like there's a

579
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:32,080
whole bunch of jobs that this
it affects directly in a big way.

580
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,080
I kind of feel like the way forward
here is to, to sort of

581
00:25:35,120 --> 00:25:38,800
not just focus on voice voice actors,
because as I was kind of trying

582
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,240
to allude to before, I mean, Jocko
Willock's willingness, right?

583
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,040
One of the hottest podcasts
in the world.

584
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:45,560
How much money could a company

585
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,720
make by eyeing his voice and using it
wherever?

586
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,160
If he's got no right over it

587
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,160
and all that sort of stuff,
the guy's got millions of followers.

588
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,080
Yeah, well, I'm probably giving away
giving away the sacred C, right?

589
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,960
But I mean,
and this is kind of where I wonder

590
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:03,080
whether rather than, than voice
trying to do their own thing,

591
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,480
whether everybody who's got a stake
here should come together.

592
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,800
I know there's no podcast as a union
and that's not a clear way forward,

593
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,840
but surely if you got there would be
a great way to get critical mass?

594
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:13,520
Absolutely.

595
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,680
You know, if everyone is calling
their their congressmen saying, hey,

596
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,560
I don't want my grandmother
calling me or me or who I don't know

597
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,440
who, calling my grandmother
and telling you that I've been.

598
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,440
That's one of the reasons
why with our technology, we

599
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,320
we absolutely must have watermarking

600
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:32,000
right wi and trace tracing, tracking
and hopefully soon poison pill.

601
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:36,360
But that's exactly the reason is
because there's too much at stake

602
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:37,920
for too many people.

603
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,040
Right.

604
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:40,680
Yeah.

605
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,720
For Tracy in the audience
can you explain to her

606
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:43,680
what poison polling is.

607
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,200
Yeah. So, hi, Tracy.

608
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,120
Hi, Tracy. Let's tell you something.

609
00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:49,320
I thought you said for tracing.

610
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,680
Should I tell you,
poison pill is basically to,

611
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,840
put some code
in our watermark technology

612
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,200
that would corrupt a file off
if someone tries to upload it

613
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:04,360
to an AI voice platform and generate
a new voice with our audio.

614
00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:04,640
Right.

615
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,560
So if we could put in a watermark
from home that says, this is mine,

616
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,680
I own it, this is where it's going,
please don't post it online.

617
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,160
If it shows up on YouTube, we,

618
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,160
you know, it
pops up on our tracing tracking site.

619
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,240
And then if somebody tries
to take that audio

620
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,320
and upload it to 11
without your consent,

621
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,320
it would corrupt the file
and spit out an unusable audio.

622
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:26,520
Thank you.

623
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,200
So just just curious.

624
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:32,760
But you pass that through an analog
pass and poison pill is gone.

625
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,320
Supposedly it stays.

626
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:35,040
I mean, that

627
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,360
that is one of the things
that we have been working on

628
00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:39,560
a lot
is making sure the watermark stays.

629
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,400
Now, the poison pill
could be different.

630
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,840
That's a separate technology
and one that's going to be

631
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,080
a bit more in-depth,
but the watermark stays.

632
00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:51,240
This is like you're saying, because
you're thinking of it like Hdcp.

633
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:51,760
Robert.

634
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:52,320
Yeah, I mean,

635
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,360
I mean, any of those things like rely
on somewhat of a faithful transfer.

636
00:27:56,360 --> 00:27:59,640
So there's always a way to transfer
it unfaithfully enough

637
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,520
but good enough to strip it
of whatever protection

638
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,520
that's been going on
since the days of scams.

639
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,720
The cat tapes in the CDs,

640
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:08,440
you know,

641
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:09,840
the logical way of stripping it,

642
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,920
the logical way
of doing it is the run that

643
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,600
we should be giving this away.

644
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,080
But I would imagine
you run it through analog to.

645
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:18,000
That's that's what I just said.

646
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:18,520
You know,

647
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,240
you just do a tape to an analog
device and you probably will strip.

648
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,120
Yeah, but a whole bunch

649
00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:26,480
if we have to, we have to have
some element of relying

650
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,480
on the goodwill of people
because not everyone's an enemy

651
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,200
not allowed to kill people,
but people still kill people.

652
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,560
So that's one of the things

653
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,120
if you want to find a way to be to do
it, you can, sorry, roll back

654
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,360
even banks, a fortress
that was going to give made my point.

655
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,000
I mean, you know, there's
you can only do so much, right?

656
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,600
But at least you're doing something.
Yeah.

657
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,720
And we've got it to the point
where the mastering it'll, it'll

658
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,320
it lasts through,

659
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,160
a ton of mastering, kind

660
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,040
of, you know, reverb, compression,
ripping it apart.

661
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,440
It's like got very, very short
gaps through.

662
00:28:58,440 --> 00:28:59,760
So you could really literally

663
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,720
just take two seconds of it,
drop it into something else,

664
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,240
master it, put music on it,
pull it somewhere else,

665
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,120
and it'll follow it
all the way around.

666
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:08,800
So it's been there any sort of,

667
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:13,080
anything that I have to do
as an engineer to make that happen?

668
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,480
Or does that happen
the moment you put that on?

669
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:16,880
Well, actually. Okay, how about this?

670
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,440
How about you come in to the studio
and I'm recording you?

671
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,480
What is
is there a legal obligation on me

672
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,880
to put that watermark on there,
or how does that work?

673
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,440
It's it's like a thing
that she puts on her tooth.

674
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,200
And then when she speaks,
it all comes out in code.

675
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:33,400
It's just,

676
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,000
I'm sorry, James Bond,
but but it makes a little bit

677
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,240
of everything that's the problem.

678
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,800
It's it's it's like having a dog
in the back of your throat.

679
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:42,760
Yeah. No, I'm just interested in.

680
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,320
How does that end where currently
there's no law, right.

681
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:46,720
Currently it's a it's a handshake.

682
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,560
No, but how do you see it though.
How do you how do we say.

683
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:50,520
Well, I would just say it.

684
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:52,320
Listen, I would love

685
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,320
to have it in the hands of everybody
so that I'm recording from home.

686
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,080
I watermark all of my stuff.
That leaves here.

687
00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,880
You know,
you get it at your production studio,

688
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:01,160
you send a different watermark

689
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,320
on a different layer
and send it off to whomever. Right?

690
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,320
I would love to see that.

691
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,640
And I would love for that to be,
you know,

692
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,320
kind of the quote
unquote gentleman's handshake

693
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,560
of the industry of like,
hey, you like to work?

694
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,480
I like to work. Oh my God,
do you like money? I like money.

695
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,360
Let's do this together
and make sure that we don't,

696
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,320
you know, kill our industry.

697
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,680
For ease of uploading your voice
to 11.

698
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,080
Right.

699
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,560
The other day,
I saw my first ad on Facebook saying,

700
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,200
take the stress out of mixing.

701
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,200
And it was, you know,
I do your mixing for you.

702
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,520
So, you know, it's like,
take yourself out of a job.

703
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,840
I was at Blackmagic booth at NAB,
you just bring in your,

704
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,280
DaVinci resolve project, you bring
the audio into into Fairlight

705
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:43,520
and you say Fairlight.

706
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,520
Just mix it, please.

707
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:49,360
In about three minutes later,
the video is mixed well,

708
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,920
so obviously they don't want
any audio engineers as their clients.

709
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,280
Black magic is video.

710
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:56,800
I mean,
I mean, no one's using Fairlight

711
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,560
to mix their audio anyways,
so I guess that goes to video

712
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:00,720
people are using.

713
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,440
The whole point is the video
people will not need to use as many

714
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:04,000
audio books.

715
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,000
Yeah, I guess that's like yeah,
yeah, yeah.

716
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,880
But what what we're finding though

717
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,880
is, is exactly that,
that people are coming to us

718
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,880
because we don't like, I think
at heart, the majority of people,

719
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,880
or at least the majority,
everyone that's coming to us

720
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,920
is because they don't
want to just give into the system.

721
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,360
And yes, these technologies
are amazing at the moment

722
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,120
because they have all this money
and investor money behind it,

723
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,320
but they're coming to us
because we're offering them

724
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,720
something that
these other companies don't.

725
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,200
And I think the more, you know,
not that I'm inviting competition,

726
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,800
but the whole point is
make this better for the industry,

727
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,440
protect voice actors, protect
audio engineers, protect the,

728
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:45,960
you know, agents.

729
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,800
And I mean, we when we started,
we were even kind of going,

730
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,080
oh, we should come up with like the
contracts for the actors and decide

731
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,840
how much money are you going
to get paid for your AI thing?

732
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,000
And we were like, whoa, whoa, whoa,
hang on a second.

733
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,840
There are agents that already do that
that are superb at doing it.

734
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,880
And then talking to our agent,
she was like, hey, you know,

735
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,080
and we all kind of said, well,
what about if it's like,

736
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,080
you know, in a year's time
or even now, really, to be fair,

737
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,080
but as the agents, they look after

738
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,960
the human being Larisa actor
that goes out and does whatever or

739
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:21,120
and sorry
the digital replica Larissa actor

740
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,440
and then you can put the two together
for certain jobs.

741
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,600
So if Larissa
is doing a Toyota campaign

742
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,600
because I'm amazing is you know that,
then she can

743
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,640
she can say that to, you know,
the Toyota production house.

744
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,560
Well, you know, would you like her
to do your internal messaging

745
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,640
so you keep a brand consistent voice
so you have a human being,

746
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:41,960
voice working

747
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,960
and you have the complimentary
digital replica

748
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,240
or, you know, a system
that keeps the industry

749
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,960
the same industry where people
can still keep their jobs

750
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,440
and still be creative beings,
but it gives a lift

751
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,840
and a support to an area
that is in some places.

752
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,320
I mean, it can do it better, faster,

753
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,960
but is as long as it's
also also doing it authentically.

754
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,680
That's what we care about
as long as people are getting paid

755
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,880
when it happens
from everyone down the chain.

756
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,960
Then that I think that's that's
what we're striving for.

757
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,920
I was going to say how
how are the agents?

758
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,760
Amazing, amazing.

759
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:24,200
It's been amazing because it really
is, you know, our job, the way we see

760
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,920
this is our job is to augment
their ability to make money.

761
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:29,800
Right.

762
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,840
So I see a future where agents
have an animation department,

763
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,640
a commercial department,
a trailer department

764
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,160
and a digital replica
department. Right.

765
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:43,320
So we make, audio demos of the talent
that record with us and send it to

766
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,320
their agent so their agent can use it
as a marketing tool.

767
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:48,040
And they've been amazing.

768
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,120
We've spoken
with every agency in town,

769
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:51,880
and several agencies
around the globe.

770
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,120
And again,
the fact that we're actually coming

771
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,840
to them as people in the industry
not going like, yeah,

772
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,800
we made some tech, bro, like,
we actually want to work with you.

773
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,200
Let's
we are going to protect your actors.

774
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:05,400
We are not going to add

775
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,560
their information to training data
unless they have a separate contract

776
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,160
that says, yes,
I would like to be added to your

777
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,440
training data
for an additional fee. Right.

778
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,040
We're
not opening this up as a marketplace.

779
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:18,440
The people that contract with us

780
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,160
have very specific access
to very specific models.

781
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,640
It's not just a free for all.

782
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,480
So agents feel comfortable with us
because we actually give a damn,

783
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,520
you know,
the biggest winner out of this?

784
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,920
If this if this flies
the way you want it to fly,

785
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,680
the biggest winner
is going to be the agents.

786
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,760
Because without this, they're gone.

787
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:36,520
Yeah, yeah.

788
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,160
Can can
can I come back to to one question

789
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,320
I started asking before,
but we never got to the end of this.

790
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,800
Before you go,
if we get to this nirvana where,

791
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,680
all the boxes it takes
in, everybody's aligned and voice

792
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,720
actors are selling their samples
to go off

793
00:34:51,720 --> 00:34:54,440
and have commercials
made out of them and stuff.

794
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,640
What does that do to
the craft of voice acting in general?

795
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,440
Listen, I don't think main characters
are going to be replaced

796
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:02,640
anytime soon, right?

797
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,040
I think there
will always be a place for,

798
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:06,880
you know, the Courtney

799
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,160
Taylors and the, you know, Nolan

800
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,880
North's to come in and bring life
to a character beautifully.

801
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,280
I think there is going
to be some hardship

802
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,520
in different parts of the industry,
and it's hard to see it coming

803
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,160
and know that there's very little
any of us can do to stop it.

804
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,040
That scares me. A lot.

805
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,440
And entry level jobs
I'm worried about. Right.

806
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,600
So again, like our
our whole vision has been to

807
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,120
not replace people but to give them
additional sources of income.

808
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,800
So we've actually turned away
a ton of companies

809
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,760
that just want to come in and start
replacing people willy nilly.

810
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,200
And we really want to make sure that
that is not the path that we take.

811
00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:46,800
There are others
who don't care. Right.

812
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,640
And they will take those jobs.

813
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,280
Other
AI platforms will take those jobs.

814
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,880
And that's very difficult
to know that it's coming.

815
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,920
I think the industry will shrink.

816
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,240
I think the people who are able
to make a living doing this

817
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:00,840
will become a smaller circle.

818
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,280
I think
it's going to be a really tough

819
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,280
couple of years until the pendulum
kind of shifts back.

820
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,400
I liken it to this around 2000,

821
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,840
if you'll recall, 3D generation 3D

822
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,960
graphics came out and suddenly
everything looked like Shrek, right?

823
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,760
It was like this big, bulbous her
dick.

824
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,120
Negative already
walking around, right.

825
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:21,520
And everything looked like that.

826
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,680
And it was ugly, right.

827
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,120
And it was really kitschy
for a minute. It was kind of neat.

828
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,280
And then it was like,
oh God, this all looks the same.

829
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,520
And people started complaining,
right?

830
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,640
Like, oh,
it's already that way with AI voices.

831
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,040
And I think the only thing
that's even better

832
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,120
is if I starts feeding on itself

833
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:37,760
and starts
getting worse and worse and worse.

834
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,960
So now we have more 2D animation,
main characters, and 3D animation

835
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:42,960
background, right?

836
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,400
I can see the same thing happening

837
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,760
with AI,
because a lot of the companies

838
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,600
that we've spoken to have been like,
look, man,

839
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,600
I don't know, my boss just told me
I got to implement.

840
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,560
I don't know how,
I don't know why, but I got to do it.

841
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,840
Even if it's more expensive
than hiring a human.

842
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,040
I got to fit AI in here somehow.

843
00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:59,840
So there's this massive
pendulum swing

844
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:01,080
because it's the buzzword
and everybody's

845
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,080
hair is on fire to get AI going
and make it the thing.

846
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,120
And there's a backlash.

847
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,240
Games right now
are very cautious about using AI.

848
00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:12,240
Any of the major game
studios are like,

849
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,400
I'm not going to ship
anything with AI.

850
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:15,880
I don't want to upset my fans.

851
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,560
Great. That's great for actors.

852
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,280
And so I think there is a place
that that it will work.

853
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,240
And there is a place
that it will even help.

854
00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:25,440
Can I add two things?

855
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:25,800
Yeah.

856
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,880
One is like what we are hearing a lot
is that all of you, all who,

857
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,560
audio production
people are all creatives as well.

858
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,160
And creatives
want to work with creatives.

859
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:40,640
So the kind of that
that synergy together will always say

860
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,320
that's what all other game companies
are doing as it's like, you know,

861
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,640
we may use it for scratch or for R&D
and to speed up the process.

862
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,400
Or maybe in commercials,
we might do it

863
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,400
so that we can get a feel and hear
how the commercial sounds.

864
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:54,680
But we want to go to the actor

865
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,800
for the real thing,
because we understand that,

866
00:37:58,480 --> 00:37:59,760
that that kind of magic

867
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,760
that comes out of a human being,
the soul that comes out of

868
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:03,680
the human being.

869
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,680
What is it I doesn't have
trauma is kind of the catch phrase

870
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:08,720
is that that's
where the magic happens.

871
00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:12,560
And that there have been studies
specifically, SiriusXM

872
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,560
did an extraordinary study
where they were playing like,

873
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:17,480
polling a whole lot of people,

874
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,240
playing them, AI, playing
them, human beings, blah, blah, blah.

875
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:24,080
What they discovered
is that 100% across the board,

876
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,240
if I was trying to sell them

877
00:38:27,240 --> 00:38:30,560
magic or persuade them
or anything with them,

878
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:35,120
you know, bring passion or emotion,
anything with emotion, terrible.

879
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,160
People hated it, don't want it.
They could pick it.

880
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:38,000
They didn't like it.

881
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,160
Even if they didn't know if it was,
they just didn't like the thing.

882
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,920
Now, if I was giving them a list
of car parts, if I was giving them

883
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,960
these are the features of the hotel
all about it.

884
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,680
If I saying come to our beautiful
hotel, don't want to hear it.

885
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:53,480
So there is.

886
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,720
I think human beings
do recognize the difference

887
00:38:56,720 --> 00:39:00,280
will that change in 20 years time
when this generation comes up?

888
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:01,920
Having heard it so much,
I don't know.

889
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,160
I'm not a fortune teller,
but I do think there really is hope

890
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,080
because creative artists
want to be artists.

891
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,240
I think there's another aspect to it.

892
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:15,000
Also, if you're a creative
leaning on AI technology,

893
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,360
what you use will eventually come
right back around and hit you.

894
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,440
And if you're a writer
using an AI voice,

895
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,120
you're
the next one to be replaced as well.

896
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:26,840
And I think that in the back
of everyone's head,

897
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,360
they know that it's called
mutually assured destruction.

898
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:29,960
Robert.

899
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:34,680
Yeah I yeah I have a friend
who is doing an ADR session

900
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,880
and they couldn't
get the actor to do it properly

901
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,040
and they ended up,

902
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,320
you know, at the end of the session
at the end of the hour with

903
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:45,440
and this is good enough
and you know half hour hour later my,

904
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,640
my buddy who's an engineer emails
the director back and says like, hey,

905
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,120
I've got something
that I think you're going to like.

906
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:53,120
It solves the problem.

907
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,440
I don't think you're going
to want to know how I did it.

908
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,600
And the director said,
I don't even want to hear it.

909
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:58,840
Don't I don't want to like it.

910
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,440
I don't, I just
I want nothing to do with it.

911
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,200
And that was that, and that was cool.

912
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:04,080
It's like, I just

913
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,920
rather have an organic production
and not have any of this junk in it.

914
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,920
And that way, you know,
we're all in it together and,

915
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,440
so what are our listeners
supposed to do now?

916
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:15,120
Join us.

917
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:15,680
Action item.

918
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,600
Where do they go reclaim. Number one.

919
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,200
Number one, if you are a voice actor,
please join Nava.

920
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,480
It's nava voices.org.

921
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,120
They are doing the Lord's work.

922
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:27,920
They're out there every day.

923
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:28,200
Yeah.

924
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,360
Lava India or Ava or Kava or,
you know,

925
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,280
look at the association of voice
actors in whatever area you live in.

926
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,640
They are the best of us.

927
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,240
Truly doing incredible.

928
00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:40,680
We're truly doing incredible work.

929
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,360
Also, Nava and I'm sure all that
and karma and all of the other

930
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,400
all of us have it on their website
for free right now.

931
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,400
An AI writer
that you can attach to any contract.

932
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:54,120
It is free for anybody
under the sun to put on any contract

933
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,400
that you work on that says, you know,
you don't have the right

934
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,040
to take my, recordings
to generate an AI voice.

935
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,480
So that is for free right now.

936
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,720
At Nava voices.org,
I believe on there I subpage.

937
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:06,920
So that's number one.

938
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:08,520
Number two,
if you want to hear more about what

939
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:13,760
we're doing, you can come to Ethio
Voxer I that's eta voxer.

940
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:18,240
I, we have a sign up where you can
just, you know, get our newsletters

941
00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:21,240
when we have five minutes
to put them together,

942
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,360
which is not as often
as I would like.

943
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,120
You should just have I do that?

944
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,240
Hey, I will make wonderful
newsletters.

945
00:41:27,240 --> 00:41:28,360
Yeah.

946
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:29,760
No, because we're humans.

947
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,640
We want the humans to answer.
I mean, I know it's easier, but.

948
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,360
But there is a real, real value
to that. Sorry.

949
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,240
I would also say legitimately,
and I know

950
00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:39,080
this feels like lip service,
but it's not.

951
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,880
If you live in a country,

952
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:44,400
learn what

953
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,800
laws are going through your system
and how you can be involved.

954
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,080
If it means you live in the States

955
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,200
and you're calling your reps,
call your reps.

956
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,400
I don't know what the process is
in Australia, but, get involved.

957
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,000
I mean, they they need to know
that this matters, right?

958
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,240
They need to know that,

959
00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:00,920
it's not just the rich and famous
that are losing their voices.

960
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,920
It's literally all of us.

961
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:04,840
I think those are my.

962
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,600
Those are my big three risks.
You got any others?

963
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:07,880
No, I think that's it.

964
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,240
Like, just,
you know, just just be very reached.

965
00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:11,640
Contracts read, read.

966
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,520
Your contract is almighty production
houses read your contracts

967
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,200
for the fight. The fine.

968
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,640
What is the fine? Teeny tiny language
at the bottom of that thing.

969
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,280
Thank you. Fine print. Thank you.

970
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,840
And of all of those contracts
about training data

971
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,120
and what you were submitting to
when you want to get your quick

972
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,720
little pick up from zero shot
or whatever, can be really helpful

973
00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:32,080
if you're in the studio late at night

974
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,800
doing that,
but you are giving your actor's

975
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,960
voice away and you were giving
your studios IP away.

976
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,080
So read your contract.

977
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,080
Please just have a conversation
with us, not us.

978
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,400
I have a conversation
with your actors.

979
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,360
Like I'm sure an actor would rather
just do like a five minute

980
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,320
pickup than have their stuff uploaded
to a site without their knowledge.

981
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,560
Please don't do that. Absolutely.
Please don't do that.

982
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,360
Yeah, I think that's a huge thing.

983
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,400
If you're a writer, if
you're an editor, if you're anybody,

984
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,240
you got to realize that
you do not have the right to upload

985
00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:03,520
any willy
nilly audio file into these systems.

986
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,240
These systems are currently,
I think, pariahs.

987
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:06,520
Yeah.

988
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,840
And the other thing, one on the on
the closing note,

989
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:14,280
I cannot replicate the imperfections
of the human.

990
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:14,800
That's right.

991
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,800
I mean, how would it possibly do
Ted Kennedy's voice?

992
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,680
I call that on that note.

993
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:21,360
What we should say.

994
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,240
Thank you, Clarissa, for being here.

995
00:43:23,240 --> 00:43:25,480
But where they really.

996
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:29,440
Oh, I don't know how
that's done to dum dum dum dum.

997
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:31,200
Well, that was fun.

998
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,440
Is it over the audio? Sweet.

999
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:39,040
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1000
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,120
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1001
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:43,680
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00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:44,800
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1003
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,400
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00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,720
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