Source-Connect Bridge Explained

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Now, you had a bit of an incident

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over the weekend.

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Or actually, it was probably yesterday.

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Robbo, with someone using Source Connect 3, trying

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to connect with someone on Source Connect 4.

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Other way around.

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Yeah, actually.

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I've had someone call me and they were

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having some trouble with Source Connect.

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In fact, they were panicking.

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They were shitting themselves.

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They had a session at 8 o'clock

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in the morning.

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And they downloaded their two-day license for

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Source Connect.

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And she got in touch with me because

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she was panicking that there was no license

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popping up in her iLock.

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So, it kind of clinked with me that

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perhaps she downloaded a 4, not realizing that

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4 was the only one you could do

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that with.

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I actually found out that from Robert later

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on.

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But anyway, long story short, I got in

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touch with Robert and he talked me through

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the process of the bridge, which was going

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to be the original plan because Robert kindly

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dropped a 3.9 temporary license in this

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lady's account to get her going.

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But if she had to go the other

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way with 4, we were going to use

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the bridge.

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And I'd never even heard of the bridge.

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Every time we've discussed Source Connect 3 and

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4 compatibility on this show, my understanding was

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that they didn't talk at all.

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So, anyway, we found the bridge and I

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was shocked at how easy it is to

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set up and how well it worked.

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So, I kind of figured it would be

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worth talking about today because I reckon it

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would be a headache solver for a lot

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of people.

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It will.

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I mean, I think there's a number of

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advantages to considering the bridge.

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It's true that bridges add latency because you're

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going through two systems instead of one, so

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it's not a direct connection.

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But there's certain situations where it might be

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almost best.

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If you think about a voice talent who's

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on the road with a Windows machine, they

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can't get their ports forwarded.

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Source Connect 3 really needs or wants port

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forwarding.

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Source Connect 4 doesn't need port forwarding.

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So that talent who's on the road on

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a Windows machine would be much better off

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connecting via Source Connect 4.

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And if they have a studio who, for

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whatever reason, is still using version 3, then

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the bridge might actually be preferred in that

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situation at least because you know you're going

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to get through to the bridge and you

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assume the studio is set up.

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And then you don't have to worry about,

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will my ports work or not?

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A little bit different for Mac users.

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You know, Mac Source Connect 3.9 to

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3.9, it has other means of getting

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through without ports, so that's generally not as

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big of a problem.

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That traveling with Source Connect is really just

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an issue for Windows users.

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But the new issue that's starting to come

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up is that Sequoia, for example, and the

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newest Mac operating systems are really starting to

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give a bit of trouble to Source Connect

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3.

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Like the nightmare situation would be, imagine a

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talent running a really old Mac operating system

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like Sierra that cannot do Source Connect 4.

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And then the studio, fully updated, and they

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can't do Source Connect 3 because Sequoia and

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whatnot is having trouble with Source Connect 3.

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So now, again, the bridge is the only

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way to get across that one reliably.

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And they're not as bad as, you know,

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they're very quick to set up.

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They're on everybody's dashboard.

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I was surprised how simple it was to

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set up.

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I mean, literally, you go into your account,

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you click on Bridge, you click the person

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you want to connect to, thinks about it

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for 30 seconds, 60 seconds, and bang, you're

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good.

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And then all you've got to do is

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go back to your, whether it be 3

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or 4, go back to your Source Connect

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plug-in, and just instead of selecting the

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person you're connecting to directly, you can select

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the bridge.

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Really simple.

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So the one difference is that both people

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have to connect to the bridge.

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The bridge doesn't dial out to anybody.

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Both ends dial.

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And the bridge contact shows up on each

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person's or each side's contacts list.

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And in most cases, you don't even have

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to really worry about, you know, it's bridge

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792445.

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But really, in most cases, people don't have

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multiple bridges going simultaneously.

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So it'll probably be the only bridge that

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shows up on your contacts list because once

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you're done with that bridge, it will go

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away from your contacts list.

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Yeah.

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And the timing is because it takes up

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a crap load of room on the server.

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Is that right?

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Well, it's a real system.

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So there are a limited number of bridges,

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actually.

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I think there's eight of them.

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Right.

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Wow.

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But we've not really had an issue.

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I think people don't realize what, you know,

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and they don't care.

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They just want it to work.

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But the amount of engineering and making that

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automate and work that easily is, it's not

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trivial at all.

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It's pretty impressive that it does what it

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does.

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And, again, they put in that time, money,

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and effort into building a system for free

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that is really temporarily solving a problem until

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everybody moves to the new version.

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It's pretty cool that it's just there.

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Yeah.

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Three and four were so different, just to

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fill everyone in, three and four are so

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different that three does not connect to four,

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thus the need for the bridge.

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But also, for us, it made a lot

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more sense to make something like the bridge

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than to significantly delay and invest in a

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huge feature that would only be useful for

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maybe two years.

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And then what's the point of the connections

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to three within four?

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I'd never seen it, and Robbo was talking

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about it before we started recording this.

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And so we did it, he said, jump

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on and let's connect via the bridge, which

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we did.

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And I was like, holy shit, that was

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really easy.

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The bridges do cancel out, auto-restore, auto

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-replace.

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I would say that technically it's better to

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connect directly between versions, but if there's any

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reason why you or the studio can't use

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whatever other version, the bridge is there.

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And as you said, they're easy to use.

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And unfortunately, I've seen some talent at times

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where they're like, I'm on four, I need

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to be on four because they're on Windows

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and it's easier.

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And the studio just went, no bridge, period.

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Like, absolutely not.

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And it's like, did you try it?

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And they just throw down their whatever.

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That's kind of annoying.

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Yeah.

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And what's your thought about the fact that

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it's a bit like a car with a

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meter and it has a clock.

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And so when the clock gets below 15

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minutes, you have 15 minutes to click add

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more time.

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If not because it's a limited resource, it

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will cut the whole bridge off if you

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don't keep on extending it.

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Is that from both ends?

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No, because the only end that manages the

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bridge is the side that initiates it.

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So if you call up the bridge, you're

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calling it up for, you pick from your

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contacts list who you want to connect with,

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and it populates the bridge contact in your

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contacts list and whoever you designated.

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So then if you did that, you're the

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person that's managing that bridge.

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You have the clock.

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You can do this from your cell phone.

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If you're in the booth, you could have

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your cell phone with a little clock clicking

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away.

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It's just a window.

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You don't close it, and you just click.

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I've got to be honest.

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For me, for most of the Source Connect

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sessions I do, half an hour would be

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enough for maybe one or two tracks.

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And if there was more, that extra 15

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minutes, I mean, I think you can take

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another 15 minutes three or four times before

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you've got to actually refresh the whole thing.

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Even more.

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So it's funny how slow we are at

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updating the web page.

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It says 90 minutes, but the reality is

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I think it gives you up to two

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and a half hours of refreshes.

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Well, there you go.

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And that would be more than enough.

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Should I ever do?

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I fucking hope so anyway.

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No, no.

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Do you need at least two and a

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half hours if you're doing a 10-second

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tag?

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Take 110.

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Did I ever tell you that story?

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When I was at George Pat's, I'd only

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just left radio, and I was sort of

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getting used to the, and I say this

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in the nicest possible way, the pretentiousness of

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advertising agencies, and we were launching a new

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magazine.

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It was called Take Five Magazine, and the

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two Mels were in charge of the launch

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of this magazine, and they did the TVC.

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And Henry Zeps, who unfortunately has recently passed

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away, RIP Henry, a great guy, they had

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him down in a studio.

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To do the tag, Take Five Magazine, out

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now.

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Two and a half hours later, Henry was

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still in the booth and turned around and

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said, listen, I've got to go.

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If you don't have it by now, you'll

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never have it, and left.

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It sounds like that TV show, The Valkyries,

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or what was it that you, the one

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from England, where the guy's an actor?

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Toast of London.

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Toast of London, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Exactly.

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Great show.

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It's very funny.

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But yeah, I've had sessions where it's like

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the shorter the script, the longer the session,

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and I'd won only a few weeks ago,

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and it got to the point where I

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just had to stop talking to make the

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engineer jump in and start managing the session

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because it was just getting right out of

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control, and I thought, right, I'm just going

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to not say anything, which then instigated the

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engineer jumping in and going, look, I really

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think we've got everything we need.

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Unless there's something specific you need, I think

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we're covered.

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And eventually it was like, okay, great, thank

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you, bye-bye.

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At some point you just start doing it

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exactly the same every time.

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Like you just purposely.

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I've had people come in here, though.

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This is really weird.

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I won't mention who it was, but a

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voice talent came here during COVID and had

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to do a session, and it's always the

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thing, can you give us three in a

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row of that short sentence or whatever, tag

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or whatever.

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This person did three in a row, but

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they were all exactly the same.

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Yes, people do that.

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And then they go, oh, yeah, we actually

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like the second one.

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It's good, I think so.

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Yeah.

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It's just bizarre.

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I think sometimes with your direction you've got

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to be a bit clearer.

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Can you give us three in a row?

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I think it means to them, can you

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give me three the way you hear it

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in a row?

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I think you've got to say, can you

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mix them up, give us three in a

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row or something like that, you know what

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I mean?

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Make it clear, because I've noticed that a

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lot.

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Add some variety, yeah.

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Is it the same as what we say

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when we say ABC?

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Can you ABC that for us?

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Yeah, give me an ABC on that or

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three in a row, or a series of

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three.

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But that's why it's called ABC, not A

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-A-A.

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Actually, can you give me an A-A

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and a B, please?

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That's the Canadian version.

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A-A-A.

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A-A-A.

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A.

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I like A.

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What do you think about B-A?

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A.

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I like C-A.

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Yeah.

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Well, since we're on a tangent, I've got

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another good one for you.

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It just stumbled into my inbox or my

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whatever, wall or something, and it was a

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memo.

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I had to verify that this is actually

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authentic, but it was a memo from the

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executive staff at Apple in February 1st, 1980,

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and the subject is called typewriters.

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And it says, effective immediately.

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No more typewriters are to be purchased, leased,

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et cetera, et cetera.

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Apple's an innovative company.

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Live by the sword, die by the sword.

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Yes, we must believe and lead in all

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areas of word processing.

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It's so neat, we all must use it.

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And it goes on.

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It says, by 1-1-81, no typewriters

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at Apple.

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And then it says in parentheses, Ken, get

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rid of the deck word processor, A-S

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-A-P.

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You know who you are, Ken.

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So at some point, SourceConnect 3 has to

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go away and everybody has to move to

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4 because technology marches on, you know.

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It's so funny, you're caught in a corner.

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Because if you don't improve the technology, then

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everyone who wants to upgrade is pissed off

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at you.

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And then if you do upgrade the technology

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and you have to move it forward and

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then you have to leave something behind, everybody

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who wants to hold on to their old

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computer and their old system is pissed off

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at you.

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And you're just standing in the middle of

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the road getting crushed by...

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Run over.

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But at least if you realize that, you're

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ahead of the game than not realizing that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I mean, if you're not pissing somebody

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off, you're doing something wrong.

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Wait, I don't know.

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Something like that.

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Exactly.

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I think there's a saying that goes along

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those lines.

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We piss people off every week if they

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keep coming back.

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So, you know, there's something in that too.

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Yeah, exactly.

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I'm still married, so here you go.

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But one thing we should make clear also,

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because if you go on to like ChatGPT...

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Yes.

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Oh, it says stereo...

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It may give you some misinformation.

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Well, it's not.

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ChatGTP is not incorrect from what it's reading.

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We have some incorrect information on our website

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which we will fix.

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It says that the bridges are stereo by

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default.

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They are, in fact, mono by default.

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And we'll change that in time for SourceConnect

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3 to completely go away.

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Yeah, and this isn't about ChatGPT, and there's

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a lot of people that, you know, either

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people think it's magic or they don't trust

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it, right?

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But I will say this about ChatGPT 5,

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like if you use it in search mode,

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people don't know it has two modes, like

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normal chat and search.

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When it's in search mode, it references every

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search result that it gives you in that

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answer.

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So, and if you're not sure, click on

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the reference and read the original link.

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In fact, I encourage you to do it

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because that means the person who actually put

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the content out there that it's stealing from

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or scraping is getting rewarded because you're going

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to their actual site, you know?

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So, I recommend you do it.

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I find it's funny because we used to

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joke how, you know, when it was harder

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to build your own search, we had a

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search on our website.

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Was it powered by Google?

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Well, I forget what it was, but however

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it went, I found it just myself and

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other users found that it was easier to

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search our website with Google than with our

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own website.

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Right.

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Like Google searched our website better than our

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own website could search itself.

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That's right.

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And it's kind of like, it seems to

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be happening with ChatGPT now.

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Yeah.

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Well, that is definitely true on my website.

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I could not get my web developer to

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build me a search engine of my own

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website to save a freaking life.

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It's amazing with Google.

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I built my own custom GTP, which is

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not cheap to operate, but I have my

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own custom GTP with my own language model

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of my own freaking website so that you

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can go and type into the chatbot stuff

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you're looking for on the website.

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That was my workaround.

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And is it perfect?

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No, but it's pretty damn good.

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And it gives you a lot of useful

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information in the process.

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But I had to build something out of

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a chatbot to be able to search my

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own site, which is kind of insane.

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When you think about it.

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Exactly.

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Is that GTPGTT?

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The Le Mans GTP?

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It's got a lot of names.

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GeorgeBot, GTTBot, you know, et cetera, et cetera.

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But I have it.

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Since you're on that bend, I've got the

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perfect way to end this episode.

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If you've got the shits that version 3

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and 4 of SourceConnect won't talk, build a

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bridge.

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And it's not a bridge too far.

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It's very easy to find.

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Well, that was fun.

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Is it over?

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