Aug. 20, 2024

Processing Showdown: Comparing VO Chains Across the Globe

Processing Showdown: Comparing VO Chains Across the Globe

In this episode of The Pro Audio Suite, the team takes on a processing challenge. After AP shares a voiceover chain his client used on his voice during a session in Dubai, the crew dives into a comparison of different processing setups. From...

In this episode of The Pro Audio Suite, the team takes on a processing challenge. After AP shares a voiceover chain his client used on his voice during a session in Dubai, the crew dives into a comparison of different processing setups. From compression techniques to EQ adjustments, you'll hear how various approaches can make the same voiceover sound dramatically different. Whether you’re a voiceover artist or a podcaster, this episode is packed with insights on refining your audio chain. Special thanks to our sponsors, Tribooth—your ultimate portable vocal booth—and Austrian Audio, where passion is made heard.

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Introducing Robert Marshall from Source Elements and Someone

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Audio Post, Chicago.

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Darren Robert Robertson from Voodoo Radio Imaging, Sydney.

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Tech to the VO Stars.

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George the Tech Whittam from LA.

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And me, Andrew Peters, voiceover talent and home

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studio guy.

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Last week, I did a session with a

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studio in Dubai.

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Historically, I used to, when I was going

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to town to do sessions, I would, if

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I could, hang around afterwards and see what

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the engineers were doing to process my voice.

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If they'd let you.

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Yeah, if they'd let me.

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And they were usually pretty accommodating, I have

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to say.

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So anyway, I sent this email off to

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the engineer Ananya in Dubai, and I asked

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her what processing she used.

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I'll tell you what the chain was.

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It was the OCA18 and the Neve 1073.

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So she came back and she actually really

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liked that chain on my voice.

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And then she told me what she did.

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So basically, she said, she used a little

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bit of compression.

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See little bit is such a, little bit

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is, little bit to who?

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A little bit of salt.

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Yeah, a little bit.

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Yeah, well that's true.

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Talk to a radio imager about a little

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bit of compression, you'll get a completely different

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story to someone who's doing a feature film

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or something like that.

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A little bit of compression.

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Yeah, okay, a little bit of compression.

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Sorry.

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And then she said, she took 600 hertz,

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a small 600 hertz cut.

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Now that's the, we were talking about this

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yesterday, right?

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That's kind of like the nasally kind of

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That nasally honk sort of thing.

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So that's what she did.

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So I'm curious.

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And that's all she did EQ wise.

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It was just a 600 cut and that's

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It was for a documentary.

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So it's not a commercial.

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So she's not doing too much to it.

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No, not really.

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Well, there you go.

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So, you know, there's nothing wrong with what

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she's done.

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So the idea was I sent you both,

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sent you all a file and said, let's

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just do a cold read and it's for

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television.

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And the script is pretty awful.

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It's actually a newsletter from Centrance.

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I couldn't think of anything else I could

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read but I wasn't going to get paid

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for it.

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Well, client confidentiality.

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Yes, indeed.

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I know.

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So I went that down that route.

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So I'm curious to see or hear what

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you guys have done.

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Well, let's first play that raw file.

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So this is that.

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We just got the Passport VO printed circuit

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boards in-house and cannot wait to share

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these images with you.

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The next step is to build the boards

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up, then test them to make sure everything

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works correctly and then arrange mass production.

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I missed the memo on the for television.

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You know, the devils in the details, right?

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Read the directions.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So mine's a little hot.

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I think mine's more like...

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Oh, mine's hot too.

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Don't worry.

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Mixed mine.

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I've masked mine for broadcast.

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I don't know if you're going to try

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to, if you're going to level match these.

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Yeah, we've done all that.

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Yeah.

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So they're all level matched.

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We've matched them all to minus 24 LUFS.

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So George, you did two.

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Let's start with one.

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Yeah, so there's two variations.

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I don't know which one we're going to

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hear first.

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Well, I've got one.

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I've got them all here.

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I've got them in the Roadcaster.

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So you pick and talk about whichever one

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you want to talk about.

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So the first one, I think it says

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G1 in the file name.

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That one is just using the audio units

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from Apple.

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And why those?

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Because I've been setting up processing stacks, we

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call it on Twisted Wave, for a really

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long time.

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And I've been always using those plugins because

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that was what it came with from the

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early days.

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And so I just cut my teeth on

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using them.

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Not that I hadn't used other plugins in

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the past, but this is what was available.

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And I thought, well, if I use what's

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available, that means the client or the talent

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can also use it.

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They won't have to go buy plugins.

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They won't have to get licenses.

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They don't have to jump through all those

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hoops.

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They can just start Twisted Wave, open my

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stack, and get that same processing.

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So the first sample is using only audio

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units plugins.

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And just from memory, because I've done this

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so many times, it's going to start with

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a high-pass filter X-processor, which really

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is a combination of an expander and a

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compressor.

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parametric equalizer of some sort, a filter, as

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they call it, filter.

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limiter.

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And then it just has a minus three

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output calibration at the end to make sure

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the limiter never goes all the way to

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zero.

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So that's what's on the first sample.

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Here we go.

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This is it.

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So George, thoughts?

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I don't really have any thoughts.

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That was the best I could do in

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the timeline.

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So I was wondering if you thought the

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balance of tone, you know, treble to bass

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and dynamics.

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I know that it was compressed pretty hard.

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It was definitely not the mix you would

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use for a commercial on television, but more

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like a web thing, I guess.

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I've processed mine.

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I've mastered mine.

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I was thinking of radio personally.

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So again, it's going to be different.

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But still, yeah, it's a very natural sound.

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And it's, you know, it's got everything there

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that it needs.

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So, yeah, that was the whole point of

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that was because I use those plugins because

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that's what the typical Twisted Wave person's going

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to have.

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They're just going to have whatever came on

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their Mac.

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Well, that makes complete sense, though.

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I mean, why would you build a stack

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for someone that, you know, if they change

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their operating system or something and it doesn't

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work.

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I saw, was it Audacity have changed their

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compressor or something?

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So there's all the old ones don't work

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anymore.

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My buddy, Jim Edgar, who's a great technologist.

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And he's like, hey, by the way, 3

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.6 Audacity, if you're using certain plugins, they

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just arbitrarily change the design.

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Yeah.

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That's a good marketing move, George.

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Yeah, I know.

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I wrote him an email and we had

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a little behind the scenes exchange in mind

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and off we go.

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Not at all.

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But yeah, that happens in Audacity land because

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it's made by a bunch of volunteers and

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they'll just arbitrarily make a unilateral, one guy

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will make a unilateral decision saying we should

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replace this old crappy compressor that hasn't changed

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in 10 years and make it a better

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one.

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Not to say that the new one's not

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better, but they shouldn't remove the old one.

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I think you would just make it a

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new compressor or something.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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Version two or whatever.

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Or call it something else.

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Exactly.

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So then I did a second one and

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that was using a preset built with Studio

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Rack, Wave Studio Rack.

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However, none of the plugins in the rack

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are waves.

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So it's got TDR Nova, which is my

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favorite, multi-band, what would you call that

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one?

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A dynamic EQ?

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I guess you would call that one.

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Yeah.

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And then I used Bertom Denoiser is the

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name of the noise reduction.

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It's like a multi-band expander.

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Like one of our first shows was about

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that one, I think.

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Yeah, I think so.

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I still like it.

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And then I used, I think, LoudMax as

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a limiter or something like that.

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So I used a combination of those and

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that's what the second one is.

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How about calling it a multi-band Compu?

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Multi-band Compu?

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I don't know.

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Compressor equalizer.

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Oh, I see.

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Compulizer.

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Yeah, you're doing the wrong.

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Compulizer.

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You're trying to be clever.

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Compulizer.

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Compulizer.

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I like that.

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Compulizer.

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Yeah.

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So I don't know if you have that

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queued up.

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All right.

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Well, here's George's Compulized.

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We just got the Passport VO printed circuit

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boards in-house and cannot wait to share

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these images with you.

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The next step is to build the boards

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up, then test them to make sure everything

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works correctly, and then arrange mass production.

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That sounds a lot more compressed, doesn't it?

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Yeah.

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That's brighter.

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Yeah, I was going to say, you know,

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that reminds me of playing it through the

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SSL and sticking the 4K button in compared

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to the one we just played.

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That's what that makes me think of.

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Well, I've actually got the 4K button pressed.

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Well, there you go.

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The 4K button adds 4K.

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Uh-huh.

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Yes.

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Yes, indeed.

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Well, I actually have a 4K button now,

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too, because I have the SSL bundle and

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their latest bus compressor.

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They've stuck the 4K button in there.

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In the bus compressor, really?

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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So there you go.

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Kellogg's should do a special with SSL.

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Special K.

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Special K 4K.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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This will compress your stomach.

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I like both those, George.

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I think you've done a good, sterling job

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with both of those.

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Do we have something else to listen to?

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Well, we've got mine and Robert's.

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Go with Robert.

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Okay, let's go with Robert.

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Here we go.

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This is like blind listening for all of

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us.

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So here we go.

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Do they spend five minutes or ten minutes

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on that?

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About three, I think.

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About seven and a half.

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Don't tell people how little time you spend

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on doing this.

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That took you a solid half hour.

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To be fair, Robert, what I should have

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done is taken AP's file and put it

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through a filter and put some background noise

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in there and sent you that one to

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do because that's what you do to me

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every week.

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I didn't because I'm a nice guy.

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All right, here we go.

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Here's Robert's feeble attempt.

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Yes.

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We just got the Passport VO printed circuit

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boards in-house and cannot wait to share

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these images with you.

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The next step is to build the boards

351
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up, then test them to make sure everything

352
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works correctly, and then arrange mass production.

353
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That's interesting.

354
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I think I'm going to have a guess

355
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at this one.

356
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You've done nothing to the low end by

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the sounds and maybe just given a bit

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of a bump into the top end.

359
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Definitely give a bump to the top end.

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It's so hard to judge the way we're

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monitoring it right now to really get a

362
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good idea, but I mean, it sounded similar

363
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to mine?

364
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I think so, yeah.

365
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I kind of, yeah, I think there was

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a little more top end.

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The S's were a little more pronounced than

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either of George's, but I struggled with S's

369
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too, as you'll hear, so that was kind

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of interesting for me.

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I think mine has a more deep low

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end, but not the…

373
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Did you put a low pass on that?

374
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I did.

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Here, I'll show you everything.

376
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Here you go.

377
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Okay, so over here I mixed it to

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minus 24.

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First thing in the chain is I just

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pumped it up and then compressed it by

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three decibels using the CLA-2.

382
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Then I used the Avid Pro Tools stock

383
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EQ and I carved out what looks like…

384
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What the hell number is that there?

385
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It looks like a low mid.

386
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Yeah, like 200.

387
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I carved out a bunch of the low

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mids and that kind of lets you get

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the energy up there again and then I

390
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bumped the really lows and then I just

391
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put this kind of…

392
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I can't hear these frequencies, so I cranked

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them.

394
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That's because you're old.

395
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That's why you can't hear those frequencies.

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Is that what that is?

397
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Yeah, that's right.

398
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It's because you're old.

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Yeah, it must be.

400
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No, so I bumped it 5k with a

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bell and then tried to continue it with

402
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a shelf and just sort of…

403
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And that's only like I bumped it by…

404
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How much did I bump it by?

405
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Like three decibels, so not much.

406
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That's not much.

407
00:11:55,540 --> 00:11:58,400
Okay, so then I hit it with a

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C4 and de-essed it and then made

409
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it up.

410
00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:03,980
You know what I mean, Rob?

411
00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:04,840
Yeah, yeah, I know what you mean.

412
00:12:05,900 --> 00:12:08,000
So de-essed it but then cranked the

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S's back up.

414
00:12:09,540 --> 00:12:11,540
I don't think there's much compression going on

415
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here.

416
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This upper mid might act like a little

417
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bit of a S.

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So from like 2 to 4k, I got

419
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a little bit of compression but then the

420
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low end, I expanded it.

421
00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:21,800
Yeah, right, okay.

422
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The really low end, just so that when

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it does hit, it's like boom.

424
00:12:26,220 --> 00:12:28,980
Oh, you really want to capture all of

425
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the AP.

426
00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:30,640
When it happens.

427
00:12:31,140 --> 00:12:31,340
Yeah, yeah.

428
00:12:31,380 --> 00:12:32,220
But when only…

429
00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:34,260
That's why I do the expander.

430
00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,020
So if there's low end, it's like if

431
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I go, then it's like boom.

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But when I'm speaking normally or when Andrew's

433
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speaking normally, it's not necessarily pumping up everything,

434
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every one of the low end.

435
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So it just makes it kind of like

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a punchier low end.

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And then, yeah, because we were just doing

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nothing, I did smack it with a limiter

439
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at the very end.

440
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Like nothing, just like right off the top,

441
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like probably a decibel.

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And then that's it.

443
00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,060
So here's the thing that interests me, right?

444
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Because at the beginning of the show, Andrew

445
00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:08,320
was talking about…

446
00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:10,800
What was the lady's name in Dubai?

447
00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:12,280
Ananya?

448
00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:13,740
Ananya was saying that she…

449
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And Ananya was saying that she took a

450
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cut at 600, right?

451
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Which is sort of that nasally sort of

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range in a voice.

453
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But what's interesting to me is I certainly

454
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haven't done that.

455
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George and you…

456
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And please don't get me wrong.

457
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I'm not saying what Ananya did was wrong.

458
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Everybody, as we've proven just by this simple

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scenario, everybody works differently.

460
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But I'm interested to know…

461
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It's also what you're mixing it into.

462
00:13:36,560 --> 00:13:38,060
I would love to know what she's hearing.

463
00:13:38,180 --> 00:13:39,720
Yes, what she's mixing it into.

464
00:13:40,020 --> 00:13:41,760
So is she mixing it maybe into a

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music bed that has maybe got some instruments

466
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up around that range and so she's chopping

467
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AP back a bit.

468
00:13:49,620 --> 00:13:52,900
But yeah, it's kind of interesting that people's

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different take on stuff.

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00:13:55,260 --> 00:13:57,080
So yeah, but I mean, so far they

471
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all sound really good.

472
00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:00,420
Well, I also like that we've all used

473
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distinctly different plugins.

474
00:14:01,740 --> 00:14:03,360
Yes, well, I mean, mine's different again.

475
00:14:03,560 --> 00:14:04,180
Yes, that's true.

476
00:14:04,260 --> 00:14:04,880
So we all have.

477
00:14:05,140 --> 00:14:05,860
Well, let's hear yours then, Robert.

478
00:14:05,980 --> 00:14:06,420
Yeah, okay.

479
00:14:06,500 --> 00:14:06,980
Alright, here we go.

480
00:14:07,020 --> 00:14:07,400
This is mine.

481
00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,180
We just got the Passport VO printed circuit

482
00:14:10,180 --> 00:14:12,180
boards in-house and cannot wait to share

483
00:14:12,180 --> 00:14:13,100
these images with you.

484
00:14:13,380 --> 00:14:14,740
The next step is to build the boards

485
00:14:14,740 --> 00:14:16,300
up, then test them to make sure everything

486
00:14:16,300 --> 00:14:17,160
works correctly.

487
00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,520
And then arrange mass production.

488
00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:21,220
It's pretty compressed, isn't it?

489
00:14:21,380 --> 00:14:24,600
As I said, I mastered mine for radio.

490
00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:26,260
I was thinking about radio typical me.

491
00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,480
So yes, it is probably more compressed than

492
00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:28,800
you guys.

493
00:14:29,300 --> 00:14:31,660
There's one thing in there that no one

494
00:14:31,660 --> 00:14:32,620
else has done, though.

495
00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:34,360
There's EQ and compression.

496
00:14:34,900 --> 00:14:35,420
Can I guess?

497
00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:36,360
What's AP going to get?

498
00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,080
Can I guess what you, well, what I'm

499
00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:39,520
hearing is that you've actually tried to make

500
00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:40,400
it sound like a 416.

501
00:14:40,500 --> 00:14:41,720
Yeah, well, there's a bit of cut in

502
00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:43,200
there because it's going on radio, but there's

503
00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:47,140
actually a modulator going on in the background

504
00:14:47,140 --> 00:14:48,160
down in the bottom end.

505
00:14:48,460 --> 00:14:50,940
So rather than where Robert used EQ to

506
00:14:50,940 --> 00:14:53,300
boost it, I've used modulation, which also gives

507
00:14:53,300 --> 00:14:54,660
it a little bit of width.

508
00:14:55,180 --> 00:14:56,380
Can you expand it on that?

509
00:14:56,540 --> 00:14:58,120
It's the waves.

510
00:15:01,540 --> 00:15:02,780
Is it Mondo Mod?

511
00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:04,060
Is that the one I'm thinking of?

512
00:15:04,620 --> 00:15:06,460
It's the frequency modulator.

513
00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:06,880
Oh, hang on.

514
00:15:06,980 --> 00:15:07,400
Here we go.

515
00:15:07,660 --> 00:15:09,680
Like you flanged it.

516
00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:11,180
Yeah, pretty much.

517
00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,200
But only down in the bottom end.

518
00:15:14,740 --> 00:15:19,600
So I've taken a split EQ, just sort

519
00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,820
of taken, oh, shit, I don't know now,

520
00:15:23,420 --> 00:15:26,720
maybe 300 down to 100, just a little

521
00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,320
bit, and then stuck a modulator on the

522
00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:30,980
back of that or sort of like a

523
00:15:30,980 --> 00:15:32,860
chorus-y, flange-y sort of thing.

524
00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,840
And given it width, you can open it

525
00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:37,820
up and make it wider.

526
00:15:38,060 --> 00:15:39,980
So it just opens up.

527
00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:41,080
Is yours in stereo?

528
00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:42,640
You're listening to that in stereo.

529
00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,000
See, I did this from mono.

530
00:15:45,380 --> 00:15:46,660
Did you keep mono?

531
00:15:48,220 --> 00:15:50,020
It's similar to what you were talking about,

532
00:15:50,220 --> 00:15:53,260
Robert, where you sort of cranked up the

533
00:15:53,260 --> 00:15:53,840
bottom end a bit.

534
00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:55,260
I did the same, but I did it

535
00:15:55,260 --> 00:15:55,920
in a different way.

536
00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:57,080
And this is the interesting thing.

537
00:15:57,180 --> 00:15:58,460
I mean, we all have the same thought

538
00:15:58,460 --> 00:15:59,000
process.

539
00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:02,440
We just get there a different way, which

540
00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,080
is kind of interesting to me.

541
00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,640
It's also unique in that all three of

542
00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,980
us here have heard your voice a lot.

543
00:16:09,980 --> 00:16:12,220
In fact, obviously, Robbo, a ton.

544
00:16:13,380 --> 00:16:15,200
So we're really familiar with your voice and

545
00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,700
the way you come across to us on

546
00:16:17,700 --> 00:16:19,420
the show, and we also hear the way

547
00:16:19,420 --> 00:16:21,120
you come across to us without processing.

548
00:16:21,780 --> 00:16:23,720
So I think we have a tendency to

549
00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,360
keep it more real and more natural, because

550
00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:29,360
we know what it should sound like and

551
00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:30,320
what it can sound like.

552
00:16:30,700 --> 00:16:34,840
We're not trying to get something filtered-sounding

553
00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:36,240
out of it, I guess.

554
00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,560
Robbo, can you stack together the first sentence?

555
00:16:39,940 --> 00:16:41,600
Yeah, well, I'm using it off the Roadcaster,

556
00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:42,760
so let me see what I can do.

557
00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,680
The sequence will be mine, George 1, George

558
00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:47,520
2, Robert then.

559
00:16:47,580 --> 00:16:50,880
I'll do the same lines for all of

560
00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:51,000
them.

561
00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:51,400
Here we go.

562
00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:53,540
We just got the Passport VO printed circuit

563
00:16:53,540 --> 00:16:55,560
boards in-house and cannot wait to share

564
00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:56,460
these images with you.

565
00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,440
We just got the Passport VO printed circuit

566
00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,380
boards in-house and cannot wait to share

567
00:17:01,380 --> 00:17:02,300
these images with you.

568
00:17:02,980 --> 00:17:05,359
We just got the Passport VO printed circuit

569
00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:07,300
boards in-house and cannot wait to share

570
00:17:07,300 --> 00:17:08,220
these images with you.

571
00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,280
We just got the Passport VO printed circuit

572
00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,819
boards in-house and cannot wait to share

573
00:17:13,819 --> 00:17:14,780
these images with you.

574
00:17:15,700 --> 00:17:16,920
I did a little editing.

575
00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:18,960
That's really interesting when you play them like

576
00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:19,359
that, though.

577
00:17:19,619 --> 00:17:20,140
It is.

578
00:17:20,540 --> 00:17:22,560
Because they are all quite different.

579
00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:24,359
Oh yeah, now you can hear how different

580
00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:25,940
they are, which is really cool.

581
00:17:26,180 --> 00:17:28,840
The great thing about audio is there's nothing

582
00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:29,940
wrong with any of them.

583
00:17:30,780 --> 00:17:31,480
That's the thing.

584
00:17:32,180 --> 00:17:33,440
Everybody's got a different approach.

585
00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:34,620
What was the order again?

586
00:17:34,780 --> 00:17:37,800
It was me first, George 1, George 2,

587
00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:38,180
Robert.

588
00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:39,500
I like my second one.

589
00:17:39,500 --> 00:17:40,020
I like yours.

590
00:17:40,120 --> 00:17:41,580
I would pick yours out of all of

591
00:17:41,580 --> 00:17:41,740
them.

592
00:17:41,940 --> 00:17:43,400
That second one, George, I'll be fair.

593
00:17:43,460 --> 00:17:44,340
I like the second one.

594
00:17:44,420 --> 00:17:45,360
I do, I like that.

595
00:17:45,580 --> 00:17:48,960
Reducing some low-mid mud and giving a

596
00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:49,860
little bit more cut.

597
00:17:50,740 --> 00:17:52,080
Again, we're hearing it in a vacuum.

598
00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,440
I did that on a pair of Audio

599
00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,680
-Technica 2020s or whatever the headphones are, like

600
00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:01,560
the 2040s.

601
00:18:01,700 --> 00:18:03,440
We're all working for a different goal, too,

602
00:18:03,500 --> 00:18:04,920
because we didn't really set a goal as

603
00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:06,540
in this is going to be mastered for

604
00:18:06,540 --> 00:18:06,900
this.

605
00:18:07,540 --> 00:18:08,720
Here's my suggestion.

606
00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:10,500
I reckon we do this one more time

607
00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,980
because the process is completely different when you're

608
00:18:13,980 --> 00:18:16,060
mixing it in with music.

609
00:18:16,380 --> 00:18:17,900
I think you should play that for the

610
00:18:17,900 --> 00:18:18,340
bunch.

611
00:18:18,860 --> 00:18:20,660
I'll tell you what I'll do then.

612
00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,740
Firstly, I will upload those files to my

613
00:18:23,740 --> 00:18:25,500
Google Drive and I'll share the link in

614
00:18:25,500 --> 00:18:27,780
the show notes so that people can go

615
00:18:27,780 --> 00:18:29,280
and they can download the raw files.

616
00:18:29,380 --> 00:18:30,480
I'll make sure they're all balanced.

617
00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:32,320
Sorry, I'll make sure they're all game-matched,

618
00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:33,860
which they should be anyway, but I'll make

619
00:18:33,860 --> 00:18:34,320
sure of that.

620
00:18:34,620 --> 00:18:36,020
The listeners can go and listen to them

621
00:18:36,020 --> 00:18:37,320
all and then what we'll do is we'll

622
00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,100
put a poll up on the Facebook page

623
00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:41,140
where they can go and vote for which

624
00:18:41,140 --> 00:18:41,640
one they like.

625
00:18:41,740 --> 00:18:43,060
But here's my suggestion, right?

626
00:18:43,120 --> 00:18:44,760
If we really want to get down to

627
00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,020
tin-tacks with this, which I think would

628
00:18:47,020 --> 00:18:49,780
be a more interesting experiment, is when you

629
00:18:49,780 --> 00:18:52,560
start putting music and stuff in around a

630
00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,040
voice track like this, you need to work

631
00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,420
a little bit differently because you need to

632
00:18:57,420 --> 00:19:00,260
match your voiceover to the music a little

633
00:19:00,260 --> 00:19:00,480
more.

634
00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,280
You don't want a really bright voiceover with

635
00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:03,960
a music bed that might be a little

636
00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:05,840
more dull or whatever, so you tend to

637
00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:07,020
work a bit differently.

638
00:19:07,140 --> 00:19:07,860
Well, I do anyway.

639
00:19:08,300 --> 00:19:10,040
You need to fit it in the pockets.

640
00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,840
It needs to sit inside that music bed.

641
00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:14,460
You can't move the pockets completely.

642
00:19:14,460 --> 00:19:16,420
What I reckon would be an interesting thing

643
00:19:16,420 --> 00:19:20,720
is let's get some sound off tape with

644
00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,260
a little bit of noise and let's get

645
00:19:22,260 --> 00:19:25,180
some music and we'll write AP a little

646
00:19:25,180 --> 00:19:27,440
script and then we'll have a mix off

647
00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:27,920
that way.

648
00:19:28,340 --> 00:19:31,280
It'll be interesting to see not just the

649
00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,920
process of the EQ but also mixing processes

650
00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:34,400
in general.

651
00:19:34,460 --> 00:19:36,100
Who decided that the music should be up

652
00:19:36,100 --> 00:19:36,940
more or down more?

653
00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:37,820
Who did this?

654
00:19:37,860 --> 00:19:38,280
Who did that?

655
00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,740
I reckon that would be an interesting one

656
00:19:40,740 --> 00:19:42,420
to do, so maybe we should do that

657
00:19:42,420 --> 00:19:42,800
as well.

658
00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:44,460
I think it should be a George the

659
00:19:44,460 --> 00:19:44,980
Tech spot.

660
00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:45,960
There you go.

661
00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:46,220
Okay.

662
00:19:48,340 --> 00:19:49,980
Let's write George the Tech a spot.

663
00:19:49,980 --> 00:19:52,960
And if it's good enough, you can run

664
00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:53,080
it.

665
00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:53,600
There you go.

666
00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:55,340
And the other thing is what we could

667
00:19:55,340 --> 00:19:56,940
do once we've done that is actually throw

668
00:19:56,940 --> 00:20:00,060
all the elements up on...

669
00:20:00,060 --> 00:20:01,260
Have a mix off.

670
00:20:02,120 --> 00:20:04,400
And so anyone who wants to listen in

671
00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:05,940
and get involved, they can actually do a

672
00:20:05,940 --> 00:20:06,840
mix and send it to us.

673
00:20:06,940 --> 00:20:07,260
That'd be fine.

674
00:20:07,460 --> 00:20:09,200
I'd be curious to see what people come

675
00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:09,620
back with.

676
00:20:09,940 --> 00:20:11,300
And what we'll do is we'll have an

677
00:20:11,300 --> 00:20:14,260
audio engineer division and we'll have a voiceover

678
00:20:14,260 --> 00:20:16,360
division, so if voiceover artists decide they want

679
00:20:16,360 --> 00:20:18,480
to have a crack, they can have their

680
00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:18,640
own.

681
00:20:18,700 --> 00:20:22,560
So we're not judging audio engineer specialists against

682
00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,520
voiceover artists, so everybody can have a crack

683
00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:25,280
and be fair then.

684
00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:26,320
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

685
00:20:26,340 --> 00:20:26,740
How's that?

686
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:27,980
That'll be interesting.

687
00:20:29,420 --> 00:20:29,780
Now...

688
00:20:29,780 --> 00:20:30,580
That's for another day.

689
00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,000
So are we voting or who's voting on

690
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:32,200
that one?

691
00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:33,820
Well, we'll vote on that, I guess.

692
00:20:34,340 --> 00:20:36,000
But yeah, but I guess...

693
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,260
God, I am going to be sick of

694
00:20:37,260 --> 00:20:37,840
Andrew's voice.

695
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,100
LAUGHTER I'll get an aide to do it.

696
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:44,860
She's already sick of my voice.

697
00:20:45,220 --> 00:20:45,620
All right.

698
00:20:45,660 --> 00:20:46,260
Well, is that a plan?

699
00:20:46,260 --> 00:20:47,540
I thought she tells you to shut up.

700
00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:48,980
So what are we taking away from that

701
00:20:48,980 --> 00:20:49,620
episode, people?

702
00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:51,120
Are we taking away the fact that, you

703
00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:52,380
know, as long as it sounds good, it

704
00:20:52,380 --> 00:20:52,700
is good?

705
00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:54,120
Cos all four of those sound good to

706
00:20:54,120 --> 00:20:54,280
me.

707
00:20:54,380 --> 00:20:54,920
We've always known that.

708
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:56,300
But they're all completely different.

709
00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:58,320
So I think we've proved that, right?

710
00:20:58,600 --> 00:20:58,800
Yep.

711
00:20:59,160 --> 00:20:59,380
Yeah.

712
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:01,280
Is that our out?

713
00:21:03,020 --> 00:21:03,380
Yeah.

714
00:21:03,540 --> 00:21:03,700
Yeah.

715
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:04,400
Yeah.

716
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,640
It's just an emphatic endorsement of what you

717
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:08,280
just said, Robbo.

718
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:09,080
That's great.

719
00:21:10,220 --> 00:21:10,480
Yeah.

720
00:21:11,120 --> 00:21:11,360
Yep.

721
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:12,500
So nice.

722
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:14,260
Well, that was fun.

723
00:21:14,340 --> 00:21:14,720
Is it over?

724
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,520
The Pro Audio Suite.

725
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:18,880
With thanks to Tribus.

726
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:19,980
And Austrian Audio.

727
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Recorded using Source Connect.

728
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Edited by Andrew Peters.

729
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And mixed by Vudu Radio Imaging.

730
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With tech support from George the Tech Whittam.

731
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