NAMM 2026: Austrian Audio, PASport VO, and the Future of Pro Audio

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(Transcribed by TurboScribe.ai. Go Unlimited to remove this message.) Y'all ready to be history?

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Get started.

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Welcome.

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Hi.

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Hi.

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Hi.

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Hello everyone.

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To the Pro Audio Suite.

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These guys are professional.

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They're motivated.

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With Tech the VO stars.

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George Witton, founder of Source Elements.

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Robert Marshall, international audio engineer.

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Darren Robbo Robertson and Global Voice.

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Andrew Peters, thanks to Triboo, Austrian Audio, Making

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Passion Heard.

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Here we go.

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And welcome to another Pro Audio Suite.

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And Austrian Audio, Making Passion Heard.

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Now, George did catch up with Austrian Audio

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whilst at NAMM in California.

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And Robert was there also, of course, on

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the Source Elements stand.

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So, you guys both have some stories to

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tell.

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Who wants to kick us off?

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I'll kick it off, I guess, because I

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was there as a content creator this year.

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First time I saw a content creator badge.

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So, it's kind of neat because I've been

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going long enough and showing up as media

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long enough and consistently that they actually now

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invite me for the first time.

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This is the first year where I got

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an email.

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Did they let you go without paying them?

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Yeah.

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This is the first time where I got

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an email months in advance expecting me to

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be there, asking me, you know, here's where

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you get your badge, etc.

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So, I had my QR code.

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It was awesome.

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I parked, went right out of the elevator,

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scanned my badge, QR code.

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They printed me off a badge and I

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was in.

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Wait, did they pay for your parking?

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No, I paid for parking.

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Oh, I was about to say.

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Damn.

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But, yeah, and I was in.

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And what was the very first booth I

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wandered into?

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Straight from the hallway, Austrian Audio.

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It was perfect timing.

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Not only that, was it right there.

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I was going to sit down and do

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that interview that you guys saw on our

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Facebook feed.

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And they were like, we're doing a press

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conference in 10 minutes.

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Why don't you stick around for that?

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So, it was just amazing timing.

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I was there for the press conference and

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was there for the announcement that DPA is

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now owner of Austrian Audio.

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Which was a big, quite an announcement.

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I mean, we knew about it already because

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we went through it.

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It was already public, but still, it was

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quite amazing that that is the case.

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So, we're really curious to see what comes

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of that.

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Actually, talking about that, I know we've gone

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through this about the DPA thing before.

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But, did it seem like it was a

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really positive thing for Austrian Audio, do you

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think?

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They seemed to see.

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Like, when I talked to Bernard, Bernard, right?

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Or Bernie?

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Bernard.

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Yeah, he seemed pretty.

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I talked to him when we were just

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setting up that day because Freeman didn't give

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us our table for the whole fucking day.

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Day one kind of stuff.

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Yeah, so I was just chatting with him

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for a while.

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He seemed very stoked about it.

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Honored and good company.

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Yeah, he didn't seem to have any...

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No, the PR around it, of course, was

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very positive.

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I mean, that's obvious, right?

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But, you know, the thing that I noticed

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and the thing that they called out clearly

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in the press conference, which will be up

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on one of our YouTube channels at some

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point, I'll throw it up.

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Is that the two product lines do not

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directly overlap each other.

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There is very minimal overlapping of products.

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For example, when Rode bought Mackie, they both

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make a podcaster mixer.

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I mean, they're literally directly in competition with

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each other.

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And now they are both under one roof.

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And I have no idea what's going to

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happen after that, right?

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But in this case, there's so little overlap,

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you know?

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And anything that does overlap, I would say

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the price points are different.

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I don't think DPA had one large diaphragm

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mic in their entire lineup.

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No, they mentioned that they had done one,

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but it clearly was not...

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And then Austrian Audio had one small diaphragm

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mic in their entire lineup, which is basically

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what Andrew's on right now.

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Yeah, the CCA.

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Yeah, so there's totally no overlap.

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I don't think DPA has any multi-pattern

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mics in their entire lineup.

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I don't believe they do either.

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In fact, one thing one gentleman told me,

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and I don't recall at this point whether

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this was on camera or off, I think

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it was off camera, was that they're looking

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forward to the fact that Austrian Audio has

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a team of software engineers that do the

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software controls for their products.

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They also have the firmware development stuff that

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DPA doesn't have.

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So they weren't just acquiring a product line,

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they were acquiring engineers in this process.

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And DPA was definitely really excited about that.

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So I don't see how it could in

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any way be a negative.

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We just want to make sure that both

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companies thrive into the future, because they're both...

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DPA is a brand that keeps sponsoring and

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sending us really cool stuff.

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And we just hope that that's part of

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the future.

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We hope that...

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It in no way means that DPA wants

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to replace Austrian's product line.

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No, it's just that way.

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That's not happening.

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And I also asked if the brands would

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remain independent.

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That also is true.

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So Austrian Audio as a brand will remain

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Austrian Audio as a brand, which is very

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smart.

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Because those guys have spent...

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They've spent a lot of time building that

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brand name.

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Nearly 10 years building that brand name.

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Has it been 10 years?

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I don't know.

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Six, at least five or six.

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It was, it would be...

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Oh, let me think.

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It was...

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I met Martin when he came here, and

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that was just when COVID kicked off.

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So was that 2020?

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It's like five years.

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So there was like five plus another two

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before that.

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So you've got probably about seven years, maybe.

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Which is not a long time, really.

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And that company clearly was in existence not

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publicly for quite a while before that.

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You have to imagine that all that was

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happening.

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So let's call it eight years.

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But yeah, so I think it's all going

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to be good things for them.

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So while we were there, we got to

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see the press conference.

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And if you've already seen our Facebook, then

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you've seen a video where we got to

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see a demonstration of the new OC S10.

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Which is on our YouTube channel as well,

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by the way.

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It is on the YouTube channel.

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And you'll notice the not-so-subtle backdrop

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image that they use.

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It is the hand of God reaching for

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the OC S10.

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It's a bit bold in terms of PR.

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I like it.

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I like it.

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But it's bold.

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But, you know, if you see the video,

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you'll see why the mic is cool.

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It's like a diaphragm floating in the middle

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of a huge, open, unobstructed basket.

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Exactly.

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And that's what they said OC stands for,

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is open capsule.

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That is what OC stands for.

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And so this is even more open.

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They made a very large basket around the

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capsule.

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The capsule is very exposed.

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So this is not a mic with an

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internal pop filter.

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This is a very open, very clean microphone.

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It's sort of like it's a flagship mic.

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It's clearly priced in the ballpark of the

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Neumann U87.

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Obviously, this mic is going to out.

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But honestly, I thought the 818 was like

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right there with the 87 cleaner.

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I've been calling this the U87 killer for

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a while.

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But, you know, that's what everybody says.

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But I really think the OC818 is, I

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mean, I can't imagine why you'd want a

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U87 when you have an OC818.

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It does everything, and then more, and it's

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cleaner.

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The only reason that you do is because

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you're an engineer or you're a studio owner,

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and you have to have certain mics in

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the quiver because that's what the production asks

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for.

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That's what the client expects.

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I just ran with that today where it

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was a well-known show, and I was

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helping them set up another really small studio.

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So they just ended up in that situation

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where the talent is in like some tiny

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little town.

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They found the one studio, and they're like,

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you know, what do you got?

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And I just heard the whole conversation.

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I was like, I got this, that, and

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the other thing.

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The guy had okay mics, like 887, that

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one.

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That's the one.

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That was it.

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Ended conversation.

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All the time people ask me what mic

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should I get, and I go, well, if

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you're buying microphones for brand recognition only because

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that is what you feel is important as

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a voice actor, that you must have a

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certain brand and model because that's what they're

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looking for.

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If you feel like it's going to hurt

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you, fine.

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You should have a TLM-103, or if

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you have the scratch, a U87.

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But that is not the reason to buy

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a mic at all.

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It's just these mics, Neumann, and they absolutely

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earn this, right?

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They've been at the forefront of condenser mic

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popularization.

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RCA and Neumann were the first to make

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condenser microphones.

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They have a huge head start on everybody,

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Telefunken, Neumann.

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And so they deserve it.

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But many, many years have passed, and there's

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revolution and evolution and brands coming and going,

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and there's a lot of room for innovation

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out there.

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Neumann is keeping it kind of old school.

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I mean, they're branching out by coming out

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with their own audio interface, which really was

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not really their own audio interface.

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It was actually a rebadged version of another

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brand audio interface.

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Here, just mute that and tell me who

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it was.

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Oh, crap.

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Man, I knew you were going to ask

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me who it was.

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Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

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I'm thinking of Neve.

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Oh, yeah.

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So Neve comes out with like a...

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The 88R or the 88R.

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Just bleedingly expensive, like...

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2-channel.

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They came out with the $1,200 Scarlett

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2i2.

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Yeah, exactly.

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That's what Neve came out with, by the

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way.

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Yeah, and then Neumann comes out with like

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the next closest thing to Apollo, basically.

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From, you know, built by another company.

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Speaking of Neve, I did see all of

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the booths that you're probably thinking of.

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I saw Neve.

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I saw the Neve booth.

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What's the AMS Neve?

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Is that what it's called?

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Yes, AMS Neve.

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I saw the AMS Neve booth, and I

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saw the Rupert Neve booth.

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If you're not keeping score, there are two

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Neve brands, which is a crazy thing.

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Well, Focusrite is technically a Neve brand.

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Correct.

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Well, yeah.

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Neve, but Rupert started Focusrite.

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Well, he started Focusrite, right?

331
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It doesn't have the name and title.

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And then could you consider Amec a Neve

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brand?

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Kind of.

335
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Not really.

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Because that's also one of his designs?

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Well, when he left Neve, he then went

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to Amec.

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Oh.

340
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Oh, he said right.

341
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I didn't know that.

342
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Rupert has his fingerprint on almost every circuit

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at this point.

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It's either a Rupert, or maybe it's a

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Telex.

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I'm not sure.

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Universal Audio.

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They're kind of the American Neve.

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Can I say that?

350
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Yeah, you can say that, I think.

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Well, Ward Beck is the Canadian Neve.

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They sometimes call Neotech the American Neve, but

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it definitely isn't.

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I mean, it is and it isn't.

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But UA is more in that heritage of

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true, like the 40s, 50s, the burgeoning of

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the whole audio industry.

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They were there.

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I didn't have the time to focus in

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on those high-end boutique makers, but I

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did see Neve had an 88 series compressor,

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so it was supposed to be the mate

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to the 88...

364
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What is it called?

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The 88C is the USB audio interface that

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they made?

367
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I don't know.

368
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You can look it up.

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And they have a compressor now that's the

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same form factor.

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It would stack quite a bit.

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A third of a rack space.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Like a chunky third.

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Yeah.

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Let's call it a chunky third of a

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rack space.

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With the big, giant Neve knob with the

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wings on it.

380
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

381
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You didn't have time to go over and

382
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say hi to Jonathan Little, probably, huh?

383
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No, I...

384
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There's this guy.

385
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I've seen at NAMM since the aughts.

386
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That's 2008 for you and me, kids.

387
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I thought that was the 90s, but yeah.

388
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Since the aughts.

389
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And his name is Jonathan Little, and his

390
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company is called Little Labs, and I love

391
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his vibe.

392
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He's got all kinds of cool tools.

393
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He's a cool dude, and he makes really

394
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cool circuits, and you've never talked to anybody

395
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who makes equipment who's more enthusiastic about his

396
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circuits, like the way he talks about them.

397
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Except for maybe John Hardy.

398
00:12:21,020 --> 00:12:22,740
Yeah, maybe John Hardy, but I don't know.

399
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Is John Hardy making new stuff?

400
00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:26,380
No, he just makes the same preamp for

401
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the last 40 years, and he can talk

402
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about it for 40 years.

403
00:12:30,060 --> 00:12:32,440
Right, but Jonathan is making new stuff.

404
00:12:32,680 --> 00:12:34,940
Almost every year, he's got something new.

405
00:12:34,980 --> 00:12:37,720
Maybe every two years, Jonathan has something new,

406
00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,160
and he talks about that circuit design.

407
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And even if you don't understand really what

408
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he's saying, and honestly, I don't really understand

409
00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:46,900
a lot of what he's saying because I

410
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don't know circuit design, but it sounds amazing,

411
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and the way he describes it, it makes

412
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you want to use that thing.

413
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But it's also not just circuit design.

414
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He comes up with cool, no-one-else

415
00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:58,280
-has-it products.

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I was telling you how when I was

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in physics class when I was in college,

418
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I went to my teacher and said, how

419
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do you make a circuit that will just

420
00:13:05,820 --> 00:13:07,720
rotate the phase of a signal?

421
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Not just flip it out of phase.

422
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Just continuously rotate it.

423
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Continuously rotate the phase.

424
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Right, and my genius teacher is just like,

425
00:13:15,980 --> 00:13:17,140
oh, yeah, this, that, and the other thing,

426
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and you can't do it with one knob,

427
00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:19,200
but you can do it with the first

428
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180 with one knob, the second 180 with

429
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the other knob, and then two years later,

430
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you're flipping through Mix Magazine, and little labs

431
00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:32,040
has a phase mistress or whatever the name

432
00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:32,860
of his product is.

433
00:13:33,020 --> 00:13:33,960
The names are clever, too.

434
00:13:34,260 --> 00:13:35,680
He has a VOG box.

435
00:13:35,860 --> 00:13:36,880
It's called the Voice of God.

436
00:13:37,140 --> 00:13:40,380
Right, like a low-frequency resonance thing, and

437
00:13:40,380 --> 00:13:43,600
he's got this matrix thing for guitar players

438
00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:44,980
so they can hook up all their pedals,

439
00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,340
and then just by pushing buttons, change the

440
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order of how they're connected.

441
00:13:49,250 --> 00:13:51,780
Just cool, no one else has it stuff.

442
00:13:51,860 --> 00:13:55,260
Yeah, he has a sweet headphone amp called

443
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the Monotore because it lets you sum different

444
00:13:59,140 --> 00:14:03,020
sets of mono signals, like sum left, both

445
00:14:03,020 --> 00:14:05,260
inputs to your left ear, both inputs to

446
00:14:05,260 --> 00:14:05,780
the right ear.

447
00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,240
I mean, every single way of summing things

448
00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,460
is a mode on the Monotore headphone amp,

449
00:14:10,540 --> 00:14:13,640
right, and it's an ultra-clean, ultra-clean

450
00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:14,380
headphone amp.

451
00:14:14,540 --> 00:14:16,400
So anyway, that was cool.

452
00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,240
I saw my friends from Grace Design, Eben

453
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and Michael.

454
00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:20,520
They have a new audio interface?

455
00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:21,800
A new audio interface.

456
00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:25,520
They finally launched their multi-channel, rack-mounted

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00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,180
audio interface, the serious one that you put

458
00:14:28,180 --> 00:14:30,660
in a studio that lets you plug every

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00:14:30,660 --> 00:14:32,260
single signal into it.

460
00:14:32,460 --> 00:14:34,940
And it's got a low-latency DSP mixer

461
00:14:34,940 --> 00:14:35,440
in it, right?

462
00:14:35,500 --> 00:14:35,840
It does.

463
00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,520
It has a monitor mixer that does up

464
00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,000
to eight outputs, so you can create eight

465
00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,960
headphone mixes, and it's a two-rack space,

466
00:14:44,060 --> 00:14:45,960
64 in, 64 out.

467
00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:47,440
And it's $64,000.

468
00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:49,820
No, what did he say?

469
00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:51,340
I think he threw me a number, and

470
00:14:51,340 --> 00:14:53,320
it was high, as you would expect, but

471
00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:55,100
the thing is, it's modular.

472
00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:57,360
$62,000, I think it was, wasn't it?

473
00:14:57,420 --> 00:14:57,920
Oh, yeah.

474
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Canadian.

475
00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,900
You can buy it almost empty with one

476
00:15:02,900 --> 00:15:03,760
card, you know?

477
00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,060
But you can load it up with cards,

478
00:15:06,180 --> 00:15:08,400
and you can choose whatever I.O. you

479
00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:08,700
want.

480
00:15:08,780 --> 00:15:10,040
You can have a mix of AES and

481
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analog.

482
00:15:11,460 --> 00:15:13,400
It'll plug into a DigiDesign rig.

483
00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:14,680
It'll plug into MADI.

484
00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:18,400
It'll plug into Dante, you know, web.

485
00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:20,080
It does all that stuff.

486
00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:21,360
So let me ask you a question.

487
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Was there anything there that competes with this?

488
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No.

489
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And I showed the Passport VO to numerous

490
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vendors because, first of all, I did show

491
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it to Michael Grace from Grace Design.

492
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He does all their hardware design.

493
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And I was saying earlier how software, when

494
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we were talking about DPA and how they

495
00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:41,800
were happy to get, he said the reason

496
00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:43,640
we could make the 107 was we finally

497
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had a great software team because the 107

498
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is running a web server on board, and

499
00:15:50,020 --> 00:15:53,040
so every single thing you see on laptop

500
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or tablet or whatever.

501
00:15:55,140 --> 00:15:56,600
So they're doing it like Motu where you

502
00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:58,220
can just go to a URL and talk

503
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to it.

504
00:15:58,620 --> 00:15:58,840
Yes.

505
00:15:58,920 --> 00:15:59,360
Yeah.

506
00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:00,760
Everything's on board.

507
00:16:00,940 --> 00:16:02,060
So he said we couldn't have done that

508
00:16:02,060 --> 00:16:04,080
without the software team we have here.

509
00:16:04,740 --> 00:16:06,660
And so I showed this to Michael Grace,

510
00:16:06,740 --> 00:16:08,620
and he gave it high praises.

511
00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:10,520
I mean, obviously, he's not been able to

512
00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,220
use it, but having a guy who designs

513
00:16:13,220 --> 00:16:17,300
hardware for the last 35 years give our

514
00:16:17,300 --> 00:16:20,520
design and our physical product praise was really

515
00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:21,680
pretty awesome.

516
00:16:22,100 --> 00:16:23,320
But I showed it to a lot of

517
00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,340
other companies that don't compete in any way,

518
00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:25,980
obviously.

519
00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:28,020
Lots of my companies, right?

520
00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,420
I mean, it was really fun showing it

521
00:16:30,420 --> 00:16:32,800
to all these different microphone vendors and saying,

522
00:16:32,860 --> 00:16:35,200
you know, this thing is the next best

523
00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,280
thing in broadcast and podcasting, and people are

524
00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,160
going to want to have this to use

525
00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:40,880
with your microphone.

526
00:16:41,020 --> 00:16:43,280
So imagine next year at NAMM show, a

527
00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,720
number of these microphone booths have passports at

528
00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:46,280
their booths.

529
00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:47,400
Oh, that'd be nice.

530
00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:48,160
That will be good.

531
00:16:48,300 --> 00:16:49,660
So you were saying you've spoken to a

532
00:16:49,660 --> 00:16:52,660
couple of microphone guys, you know, I guess

533
00:16:52,660 --> 00:16:54,400
encompassing all of them, if you could sum

534
00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:55,880
up their thoughts in a few sentences.

535
00:16:56,060 --> 00:16:56,760
Were they like, wow?

536
00:16:56,900 --> 00:16:58,220
Or just like, oh, yeah, that's a good

537
00:16:58,220 --> 00:16:58,580
idea?

538
00:16:58,700 --> 00:17:00,620
Or were they sort of like, eh, meh?

539
00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:01,760
I didn't get any meh.

540
00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,400
I got mostly, oh, cool.

541
00:17:03,619 --> 00:17:04,980
That's really nicely made.

542
00:17:05,380 --> 00:17:07,079
I didn't get any big wows.

543
00:17:07,079 --> 00:17:09,339
No one got it that, like, this thing

544
00:17:09,339 --> 00:17:10,900
routes like no other product.

545
00:17:11,220 --> 00:17:13,220
At least two people got the routing as

546
00:17:13,220 --> 00:17:14,020
a cool thing.

547
00:17:14,780 --> 00:17:16,700
I've got to tell you, at the show,

548
00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,480
the saturation point is very high.

549
00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,579
And explaining and showing something new, you know,

550
00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:24,500
at their booth when they're there to sell

551
00:17:24,500 --> 00:17:26,099
their product to other, it's hard.

552
00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,780
You're not really going to connect very well

553
00:17:28,780 --> 00:17:29,400
with people.

554
00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:31,340
Especially since I didn't have it, like, plugged

555
00:17:31,340 --> 00:17:33,520
into a computer, you know, with a mic

556
00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,580
plugged into it, the whole demo thing.

557
00:17:35,580 --> 00:17:38,460
You know, I'm freaking briefcasing at NAM.

558
00:17:38,540 --> 00:17:39,580
You know, what can I do, right?

559
00:17:39,660 --> 00:17:40,440
It's the best I could.

560
00:17:40,860 --> 00:17:43,100
But I got some very nice positive feedback.

561
00:17:43,300 --> 00:17:45,500
And to say that this thing could be

562
00:17:45,500 --> 00:17:47,560
an ideal booth companion.

563
00:17:47,820 --> 00:17:50,000
He missed an opportunity by not having one

564
00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:51,640
at our booth as well.

565
00:17:51,940 --> 00:17:52,140
Yeah.

566
00:17:52,500 --> 00:17:55,480
Because we're sitting there playing through a UA

567
00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:55,960
Apollo.

568
00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:57,400
Yeah.

569
00:17:57,740 --> 00:17:57,920
Yeah.

570
00:17:58,100 --> 00:18:00,680
We're going to have one up and running

571
00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:04,400
for sure at VO Atlanta probably, right?

572
00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,460
I mean, if there's ever a show to

573
00:18:06,460 --> 00:18:07,980
take it to, it'd be VO Atlanta.

574
00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:10,160
Well, VO Atlanta and NAB.

575
00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:11,680
Yeah.

576
00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:12,260
There you go.

577
00:18:12,360 --> 00:18:13,220
Are you guys at NAB?

578
00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:14,220
Hell yeah, we are.

579
00:18:14,340 --> 00:18:14,540
Oh, yeah.

580
00:18:14,660 --> 00:18:15,820
You're back this year.

581
00:18:17,220 --> 00:18:19,740
NAB, absolutely a no-brainer for the Passport

582
00:18:19,740 --> 00:18:19,960
VO.

583
00:18:20,820 --> 00:18:22,800
I did show it to people that were

584
00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:26,220
more broadcast-related, you know, because again, NAM

585
00:18:26,220 --> 00:18:26,740
is music.

586
00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:29,280
And they seem to get it even more

587
00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:29,600
so.

588
00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,000
The question is, do podcast people look at

589
00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,800
broadcast stuff as, like, too complicated?

590
00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:36,240
Like, oh, that's over my head.

591
00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:37,900
Or too expensive.

592
00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:39,540
I don't know about the price point thing,

593
00:18:39,580 --> 00:18:43,780
because there's some seriously big-dollar podcast production

594
00:18:43,780 --> 00:18:44,300
going on.

595
00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:45,580
There is.

596
00:18:45,980 --> 00:18:46,240
Big money.

597
00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:48,560
So it's not a price point thing.

598
00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:50,620
I showed it to several people at PodFest.

599
00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,140
When I told them the price point, nobody

600
00:18:53,140 --> 00:18:53,940
said, oof.

601
00:18:54,660 --> 00:18:56,440
Nobody reacted to the price like that.

602
00:18:56,580 --> 00:18:58,120
It's two interfaces in one.

603
00:18:58,340 --> 00:18:58,560
Come on.

604
00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:00,800
They all were like, oh, okay, that's not

605
00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:01,120
bad.

606
00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:02,520
One guy thought it was worth a lot

607
00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:03,720
more than that when I told him what

608
00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:04,060
it was.

609
00:19:04,340 --> 00:19:05,860
Dude, it's $300 an interface.

610
00:19:06,260 --> 00:19:07,140
It's two of them.

611
00:19:07,360 --> 00:19:08,340
And it's a gold digger.

612
00:19:08,860 --> 00:19:10,420
Yeah, it's a gold digger switcher.

613
00:19:11,820 --> 00:19:12,660
That was cool.

614
00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,120
I think that got the most reaction was

615
00:19:15,120 --> 00:19:16,720
when I was trying to explain all the

616
00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:17,480
things that it does.

617
00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:18,480
It is not stereo.

618
00:19:18,500 --> 00:19:20,740
Showing the mic switcher and showing that it's

619
00:19:20,740 --> 00:19:22,620
a switcher, you know, a single-button switcher,

620
00:19:22,780 --> 00:19:26,160
that got a few eyebrows, because nobody's doing

621
00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:26,440
that.

622
00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:26,880
Nobody's got it, yeah.

623
00:19:27,180 --> 00:19:28,020
Nobody's doing it.

624
00:19:28,020 --> 00:19:30,380
And it can still do stereo if you

625
00:19:30,380 --> 00:19:30,920
need it to.

626
00:19:31,420 --> 00:19:32,120
Yeah, that's right.

627
00:19:32,540 --> 00:19:34,000
I mean, there was so much I didn't

628
00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:35,420
get to talk to and engage with, because

629
00:19:35,420 --> 00:19:37,300
there's so much in this hall.

630
00:19:37,620 --> 00:19:40,120
This is like AES times three.

631
00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:41,520
The other thing that was in this hall

632
00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,840
times three was three stupid AI voice companies,

633
00:19:44,940 --> 00:19:46,620
including, do you know who's doing AI voices

634
00:19:46,620 --> 00:19:46,980
now?

635
00:19:47,300 --> 00:19:48,440
Oh, God, don't tell me.

636
00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,860
The ones that do your sound ID and

637
00:19:51,860 --> 00:19:52,840
flatline your room.

638
00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:53,960
Oh, yes, sound ID.

639
00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,180
The company that does room calibration.

640
00:19:57,180 --> 00:19:59,140
Yeah, what does room calibration have to do

641
00:19:59,140 --> 00:20:00,880
with frickin' AI voices?

642
00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:02,640
Um...

643
00:20:04,140 --> 00:20:04,580
Sound...

644
00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:06,940
I'm glad I'm forgetting it now.

645
00:20:07,100 --> 00:20:07,660
Yeah, screw them.

646
00:20:07,900 --> 00:20:08,340
Exactly.

647
00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,160
Screw them, because they're doing voice...

648
00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:11,780
Now, I will say this.

649
00:20:11,820 --> 00:20:13,580
This is music-related, mostly.

650
00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:14,660
No, it's not, though.

651
00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:15,400
Oh, it wasn't?

652
00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,060
Because all you do is you just give

653
00:20:17,060 --> 00:20:18,880
it anything you want, and you just start

654
00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,400
flipping through voices that you want, and it'll

655
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,560
just sing, and it'll talk, whatever you give

656
00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:24,780
it.

657
00:20:24,780 --> 00:20:24,880
It doesn't talk.

658
00:20:24,980 --> 00:20:25,500
It doesn't matter.

659
00:20:26,020 --> 00:20:29,300
It just mimics what your crappy voice switches

660
00:20:29,300 --> 00:20:29,560
out.

661
00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,900
It was like, now I'm a little girl.

662
00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:32,800
Now I'm a guy.

663
00:20:33,900 --> 00:20:34,960
It was just like, come on.

664
00:20:35,340 --> 00:20:37,320
And it was cheap, too.

665
00:20:37,660 --> 00:20:38,680
Yeah, that's what's scary.

666
00:20:38,860 --> 00:20:39,260
It's true.

667
00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:40,020
It's true.

668
00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,660
Also, I saw Roswell Audio, because I always

669
00:20:43,660 --> 00:20:45,480
come and see Roswell, the fellow that owns

670
00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,060
it, Matthew McGuinn.

671
00:20:47,140 --> 00:20:48,540
He's like Mike Parts, isn't he?

672
00:20:48,660 --> 00:20:50,540
Yeah, he was Mike Parts originally, and now

673
00:20:50,540 --> 00:20:52,540
he's making full fleshed-out product.

674
00:20:52,540 --> 00:20:56,600
His little K87 is a pretty damn good

675
00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,400
-sounding F portable.

676
00:20:58,400 --> 00:20:59,080
It's a U87, right?

677
00:20:59,420 --> 00:21:00,180
It's intended.

678
00:21:00,340 --> 00:21:02,380
That's literally 87s in the model name.

679
00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,020
I mean, obviously, he's not trying to pull

680
00:21:04,020 --> 00:21:04,660
a punch there.

681
00:21:05,020 --> 00:21:07,580
He's got a K47 and a K67 as

682
00:21:07,580 --> 00:21:07,840
well.

683
00:21:08,140 --> 00:21:09,100
This was another thing.

684
00:21:10,180 --> 00:21:11,060
Customizing microphone.

685
00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:12,200
That's pretty cool.

686
00:21:12,360 --> 00:21:14,320
Custom shops for microphones where you can get

687
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:14,900
any kinds of color.

688
00:21:14,900 --> 00:21:16,260
Can you just get it wrapped instead of

689
00:21:16,260 --> 00:21:16,480
painted?

690
00:21:17,660 --> 00:21:18,100
Probably.

691
00:21:18,860 --> 00:21:20,980
Singers have been doing that with handheld wirelesses

692
00:21:20,980 --> 00:21:24,620
for years, just wrapping them in gold-plated

693
00:21:24,620 --> 00:21:26,700
sequins and lace.

694
00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:28,960
I saw Studio Float.

695
00:21:29,420 --> 00:21:31,100
This is a company that does studio design.

696
00:21:31,120 --> 00:21:33,120
I've looked at these little isolators for the

697
00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:33,960
ceiling and the walls.

698
00:21:34,340 --> 00:21:36,180
Talked to this gentleman for a while that's

699
00:21:36,180 --> 00:21:37,240
from the Studio Float company.

700
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:38,900
It's crazy how expensive those things are.

701
00:21:39,140 --> 00:21:40,060
Yeah, they're way overpriced.

702
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:41,580
They're like $6 each or something.

703
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:42,540
They're really expensive.

704
00:21:43,260 --> 00:21:48,600
I also stopped by Odyssey microphones, Odyssey headphones,

705
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,160
known for making disgustingly expensive.

706
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:53,600
I was going to say more really expensive

707
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:53,960
stuff.

708
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,880
Planar headphones, but they make a $300 gamer

709
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,720
headset that's a planar headphone.

710
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:00,960
Tried it on, and it was pretty freaking

711
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,300
cool because it has head tracking, so as

712
00:22:03,300 --> 00:22:05,460
you move your head, the sound, the mix,

713
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:07,400
it maintains center.

714
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,220
Sony had a crap load of—a really big

715
00:22:11,220 --> 00:22:11,820
booth, actually.

716
00:22:11,900 --> 00:22:12,980
Sony came in strong.

717
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:14,580
I didn't even see their booth.

718
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,000
I didn't even make it to their booth.

719
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,020
Were they in the same hall?

720
00:22:18,020 --> 00:22:18,380
You did.

721
00:22:18,580 --> 00:22:20,860
They were the wall in front of us.

722
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,420
Oh, that was Sony's booth.

723
00:22:22,540 --> 00:22:23,680
They were so big that you didn't even

724
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:23,780
realize.

725
00:22:23,780 --> 00:22:26,560
They had a huge Atmos set up with

726
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,280
a stadium practically for sitting there.

727
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,000
There's massive amounts of headphones.

728
00:22:32,900 --> 00:22:36,000
Their microphone that goes from zero to 50

729
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:36,800
,000k.

730
00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:38,280
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

731
00:22:39,180 --> 00:22:40,540
I skipped Sony.

732
00:22:40,780 --> 00:22:41,200
I don't know.

733
00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:43,300
Sometimes I like to focus on the smaller

734
00:22:43,300 --> 00:22:43,740
vendors.

735
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:44,980
I just mostly do.

736
00:22:44,980 --> 00:22:47,080
Chef's had the best set of mics.

737
00:22:47,740 --> 00:22:50,120
It was called the Desert Island Stereo Set.

738
00:22:52,360 --> 00:22:56,500
These things were like those really small, very

739
00:22:56,500 --> 00:22:59,740
small body, interchangeable head mics.

740
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,480
So they have a whole range of capsules.

741
00:23:02,980 --> 00:23:05,600
Whenever you see an opera or you see

742
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,420
an award show, it has a long, skinny

743
00:23:08,420 --> 00:23:09,000
stalk.

744
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,680
Almost like the one that the Beatles up

745
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,360
on the roof.

746
00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:15,940
I think we worked out that the Beatles

747
00:23:15,940 --> 00:23:18,360
one on Abbey Road was AKG.

748
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:19,980
Oh, was it AKG?

749
00:23:20,060 --> 00:23:20,900
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was AKG.

750
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,000
But Chef's is famous for the super slender

751
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,360
little, yeah.

752
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,480
And that's very hard to do because it

753
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,040
definitely increases the noise when you get the

754
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,380
preamp so far away from the capsule.

755
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:37,020
But they make the preamp five, six feet

756
00:23:37,020 --> 00:23:37,880
away from the capsule.

757
00:23:38,120 --> 00:23:38,320
Yeah.

758
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,760
They also have this freaking crazy ORTF 3D

759
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,320
microphone rig for stadiums.

760
00:23:44,980 --> 00:23:46,140
So this thing will get mounted.

761
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,420
It doesn't have the basket around it with

762
00:23:48,420 --> 00:23:50,140
the dead cat, you know, for wind and

763
00:23:50,140 --> 00:23:51,400
everything in this picture that you guys are

764
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:51,760
looking at.

765
00:23:52,100 --> 00:23:54,420
But what was really cool was there was

766
00:23:54,420 --> 00:23:56,180
heating elements on all the capsules.

767
00:23:56,500 --> 00:23:57,760
So that keeps the condensers.

768
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,240
Can they fly that along with the camera

769
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:01,740
that goes zooming across?

770
00:24:01,900 --> 00:24:02,820
It's not meant for that.

771
00:24:02,820 --> 00:24:05,700
It's meant to walk down and provide a

772
00:24:05,700 --> 00:24:09,540
3D sound representation of what that entire room

773
00:24:09,540 --> 00:24:11,120
stadium sounds like.

774
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,760
So it's doing not just a standard ORTF,

775
00:24:15,020 --> 00:24:16,400
but a 3D ORTF.

776
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,960
So it's four sets of ORTF capsules.

777
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,080
ORTF in all four directions.

778
00:24:22,540 --> 00:24:24,320
Yeah, it's freaking nuts.

779
00:24:24,700 --> 00:24:26,880
It's got to be $20,000, $40,000.

780
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,480
But that's Chef's, you know.

781
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:30,980
They're always there.

782
00:24:30,980 --> 00:24:33,720
I mean, Chef's is going to be like

783
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:34,600
Chef's and DPA.

784
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,560
That's sort of like the top of the

785
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:36,820
hill.

786
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,920
I tried out $700 Focal headphones, and then

787
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:45,060
I tried out probably $80,000 Focal monitors.

788
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:46,640
That was fun.

789
00:24:46,940 --> 00:24:48,740
I stayed around until after they tell you

790
00:24:48,740 --> 00:24:49,180
to leave.

791
00:24:50,120 --> 00:24:52,420
And so I just sat there and listened

792
00:24:52,420 --> 00:24:56,960
to these ginormous, probably soffit-mounted monitors from

793
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:57,300
Focal.

794
00:24:58,260 --> 00:25:00,300
I got to say the bigger ones sounded

795
00:25:00,300 --> 00:25:03,260
better than the inner ones, the smaller ones.

796
00:25:03,380 --> 00:25:04,320
Different or better?

797
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,880
It could have been placement, but the single

798
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:09,400
woofer.

799
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:10,300
Yeah, I know.

800
00:25:10,360 --> 00:25:12,520
The single woofer ones just sounded more thick

801
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,460
and tubby in the low-mid.

802
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:15,200
I don't know why.

803
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:15,700
It was weird.

804
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,000
Well, also it only has one mid-frequency

805
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:18,520
driver.

806
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:19,520
Right.

807
00:25:19,620 --> 00:25:21,160
I mean, basically just add a tweeter to

808
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:22,480
the big ones, and you could just buy

809
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:23,480
two of the small ones.

810
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:24,640
Right, exactly.

811
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:26,120
What else?

812
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:27,460
What can we wrap this up with?

813
00:25:27,740 --> 00:25:29,540
There was one other thing.

814
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,120
I don't know if you went to, I'm

815
00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:32,580
trying to screw up their name, but like

816
00:25:32,580 --> 00:25:34,280
Cranbourne or something.

817
00:25:34,540 --> 00:25:35,320
I miss Cranbourne.

818
00:25:35,460 --> 00:25:38,120
And they've had it for a while, but

819
00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:39,760
I've always thought it's a very good product

820
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,840
idea, which is they have a 500-series

821
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:47,840
rack with the USB audio interface built into

822
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:48,160
it.

823
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:48,920
Oh, yeah.

824
00:25:48,980 --> 00:25:51,520
So if you want to have a good

825
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,360
interface, and then you want to just pick

826
00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:55,740
your mic pre and have the world's choice

827
00:25:55,740 --> 00:25:57,140
of mic pres, because you know you have

828
00:25:57,140 --> 00:25:58,060
a 500-series.

829
00:25:58,760 --> 00:25:59,420
It's all there.

830
00:26:00,020 --> 00:26:01,620
That's, I think, a pretty cool product.

831
00:26:02,420 --> 00:26:06,100
I saw the MB7 Shure MB7 Plus and

832
00:26:06,100 --> 00:26:08,780
the Shure MB7i.

833
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,820
The MB7i has an input jack on the

834
00:26:13,820 --> 00:26:15,440
back for another microphone.

835
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:17,820
Oh, so they're kind of doing the mic

836
00:26:17,820 --> 00:26:18,580
creator thing.

837
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:19,160
Yes.

838
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,380
They're doing what the mic creator does from

839
00:26:21,380 --> 00:26:21,960
Austrian Audio.

840
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:23,700
Austrian Audio came up with that idea first,

841
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:23,900
guys.

842
00:26:23,900 --> 00:26:24,100
That's right.

843
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:24,400
Exactly.

844
00:26:25,820 --> 00:26:27,120
Innovators, not the imitators.

845
00:26:27,420 --> 00:26:27,780
That's right.

846
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,660
MB7 has a mic in now, and that's

847
00:26:31,660 --> 00:26:32,480
what they're doing.

848
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,000
So they were celebrating 100 years.

849
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,360
So yeah, there was a lot, and I

850
00:26:38,360 --> 00:26:41,760
was dying to see Jacob Collier come by

851
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,280
the booth at Shure, and I just didn't

852
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:43,660
make it.

853
00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:47,760
Was there a commotion when that was happening?

854
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:48,020
No.

855
00:26:48,300 --> 00:26:49,680
The Shure booth was actually one of the

856
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:50,680
most active ones.

857
00:26:51,140 --> 00:26:51,940
It was very active.

858
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:53,740
They had a lot of people showing up

859
00:26:53,740 --> 00:26:53,960
at that.

860
00:26:54,020 --> 00:26:56,820
But when you've got these musicians showing up

861
00:26:56,820 --> 00:26:57,980
at your booth, it's going to be a

862
00:26:57,980 --> 00:26:59,180
mob scene, and they know it.

863
00:26:59,980 --> 00:27:02,180
There's a huge amount of energy around these

864
00:27:02,180 --> 00:27:02,660
musicians.

865
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,920
By the way, everyone, Jacob Collier was using

866
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,160
Source Connect during the pandemic.

867
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:08,580
Oh, was he really?

868
00:27:08,900 --> 00:27:09,460
There you go.

869
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:09,920
Yeah.

870
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,340
Without any prodding from us, we caught him

871
00:27:14,340 --> 00:27:16,080
on some podcast talking about it.

872
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:16,720
It was pretty cool.

873
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,440
Anyway, a lot of fun.

874
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,000
We wish you guys could be there in

875
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:20,380
person.

876
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,600
And now that NAMM has basically opened its

877
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,920
doors to the public, you can.

878
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:27,000
Oh, really?

879
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:27,420
You can go to NAMM.

880
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:28,640
Well, you can buy a ticket.

881
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,180
You can buy a ticket to go to

882
00:27:30,180 --> 00:27:30,620
NAMM now.

883
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,380
It did not used to be the case.

884
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,840
You had to be an industry representative.

885
00:27:35,100 --> 00:27:36,280
You had to be a guest of a

886
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:36,580
vendor.

887
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,300
What's funny is this, back when it was

888
00:27:39,300 --> 00:27:41,520
more exclusive, it was physically bigger.

889
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:42,960
That's true.

890
00:27:43,180 --> 00:27:44,420
The booths were much larger.

891
00:27:44,740 --> 00:27:44,920
Yeah.

892
00:27:45,420 --> 00:27:45,860
Huge.

893
00:27:46,700 --> 00:27:49,660
Neumann would put up a $200,000 booth

894
00:27:49,660 --> 00:27:52,520
that was the size of two semi-trucks

895
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:53,420
next to each other.

896
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:54,520
But here's the difference.

897
00:27:54,660 --> 00:27:59,780
Back in the day, retail owners, and my

898
00:27:59,780 --> 00:28:02,360
dad's music store is no exception.

899
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,260
The first time I went to NAMM was

900
00:28:04,260 --> 00:28:06,720
as a guest of my dad's, Taylor's Music

901
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:07,740
Store in Westchester.

902
00:28:07,980 --> 00:28:09,660
I went as a guest of Taylor's 20

903
00:28:09,660 --> 00:28:10,380
-something years ago.

904
00:28:10,940 --> 00:28:12,660
And that's why they went.

905
00:28:12,660 --> 00:28:14,940
They would go there, shop at Yamaha, do

906
00:28:14,940 --> 00:28:15,640
their orders.

907
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:17,200
And that was it.

908
00:28:17,260 --> 00:28:19,260
But that's almost dead.

909
00:28:19,260 --> 00:28:20,120
Do you know what it reminds me of?

910
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,960
I used to do all the setup for

911
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,440
the Ace Hardware show.

912
00:28:25,020 --> 00:28:26,420
And it was the same thing.

913
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,640
It was exclusive for Ace Hardware store owners.

914
00:28:30,780 --> 00:28:30,980
Yeah.

915
00:28:31,140 --> 00:28:32,140
But they would go in there and they'd

916
00:28:32,140 --> 00:28:33,280
be like, all right, I'm going to order

917
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:37,060
50 lawnmowers and 600 leaf blowers, and I

918
00:28:37,060 --> 00:28:38,040
think I might need those.

919
00:28:38,580 --> 00:28:39,840
And there's just buyers.

920
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,000
There's people.

921
00:28:41,260 --> 00:28:42,120
This is crazy.

922
00:28:43,140 --> 00:28:44,380
That's what NAMM was for.

923
00:28:44,500 --> 00:28:45,960
And that's so they had much bigger booths

924
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,620
with offices and ISO rooms for meetings.

925
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,600
And that's gone.

926
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:51,840
Was Neumann even there?

927
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:53,580
I don't think Neumann came to NAMM.

928
00:28:54,220 --> 00:28:55,400
AKG was there for sure.

929
00:28:55,540 --> 00:28:56,180
But not Neumann.

930
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:57,480
I didn't see Neumann.

931
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:58,960
Because actually, I can tell you this about

932
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,740
AKG, just word to the wise.

933
00:29:01,940 --> 00:29:04,180
We had AKG pair of headphones at the

934
00:29:04,180 --> 00:29:04,460
booth.

935
00:29:04,700 --> 00:29:05,620
Which are nice, right?

936
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:06,380
Well, they are.

937
00:29:06,500 --> 00:29:07,560
They're very nice sounding.

938
00:29:07,900 --> 00:29:08,140
Comfortable.

939
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,280
Somehow, Vincent's like, and they're his headphones.

940
00:29:11,420 --> 00:29:12,000
I felt really bad.

941
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,320
And he's like, oh, something's funny.

942
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:15,960
And he takes them off.

943
00:29:16,020 --> 00:29:17,980
And there's like a hairline crack on the

944
00:29:17,980 --> 00:29:19,100
headband.

945
00:29:19,540 --> 00:29:20,380
And I'm like, oh, man.

946
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:21,460
Yeah, plastic.

947
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:22,620
And I'm like, oh, man, this looks like

948
00:29:22,620 --> 00:29:23,940
it can come off because it's like the

949
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:24,600
headband.

950
00:29:24,820 --> 00:29:25,140
Yeah.

951
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,840
And I'm like, well, don't worry about it.

952
00:29:27,860 --> 00:29:28,800
Go over to AKG.

953
00:29:28,860 --> 00:29:29,560
They'll set you up.

954
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,980
So he goes over there and they give

955
00:29:31,980 --> 00:29:33,180
him a pair to use.

956
00:29:33,300 --> 00:29:34,860
So we're fine for the booth.

957
00:29:35,260 --> 00:29:37,060
But then I start looking at it.

958
00:29:37,260 --> 00:29:38,700
And I'm like, can't they just give you

959
00:29:38,700 --> 00:29:39,160
a headband?

960
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:39,920
He's like, I don't know.

961
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,140
He didn't say anything about repair.

962
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,880
And I go, they're not fucking repairable.

963
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:44,140
Yeah.

964
00:29:44,260 --> 00:29:44,580
Yeah.

965
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:46,160
Like crazy.

966
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:47,920
Yeah.

967
00:29:48,020 --> 00:29:48,720
Not excusable.

968
00:29:48,940 --> 00:29:50,620
Well, I'll tell you, I did get to

969
00:29:50,620 --> 00:29:52,700
try the Hi-X 20s, which I'm dying

970
00:29:52,700 --> 00:29:53,340
to get a pair now.

971
00:29:53,460 --> 00:29:53,980
But, yep.

972
00:29:54,100 --> 00:29:56,240
I tried the Hi-X 20s from Austrian

973
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,560
Audio, the headphones, and I compared it to

974
00:29:58,560 --> 00:29:58,780
the head.