Microphones for Voiceover – Which Ones Really Deliver? | The Pro Audio Suite

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Speaking of hearing things,
while I'm always hearing things.

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Actually, to be quite honest.
But that's another story.

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George, you've

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been doing a webinar
which is going to be on your site as well,

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which is,
the title being microphones for VoiceOver.

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A lot of thought went into that one.

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Our microphones for voiceover.

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Yeah.

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So it's a kind of, like what, webinar
on microphones or voiceover.

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How original.

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It's kind of funny
that we really never did any content

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about microphones for voiceover.

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It's just one of those pieces of content
that I've talked about ad nauseum

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in so many formats,
but I never just sat down and demoed

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with a few folks, folks
listening in and asking questions.

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An array of mics.

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And so that's what I did today.

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And I got I started at the lowest end
with the Audio Technica 875 bar

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and worked my way up to the Austrian
Audio OC 818,

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which is in my collection anyway,
which is a small collection.

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It's the
my most premium high end microphone.

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So I just went along to hear the
the range.

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And so and you guys thought,
hey, I've never really heard the Audio

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Technica 875 R.

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And so here it is. Gotcha.

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So that is the that is
I and I went into my RODECaster Pro two.

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I went into processing
and I disabled processing.

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So this is what the eight 75 hour
sounds like.

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It's about a fist in an inch maybe five, 4

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or 5in off to my left,

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pointing towards the corner of my mouth
and no pop screen.

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Sounds pretty good.

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Well, you're going to hear
some ambient room noise.

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You're going to hear
some background noise.

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Because again, I'm not I'm doing
zero processing.

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You know, traditionally we process

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and I have some expander and stuff
for gating on this.

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This is just as is.

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And I've always felt that
the EQ of this mic is really pleasing

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and not a far cry
from something like a 416

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making an extremely good budget stunt mic,

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or a 416 or 41 six.

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It seems pretty smooth.

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Yeah, it doesn't seem too harsh.

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Actually, it's not harsh.

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I don't mind that
it's it's not quite as the cut of a 416,

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but it doesn't have the harshness
that might come with that too.

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It's pretty smooth.

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And this is like what, $150
mic was in that ballpark?

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Yeah, it's well under 200 US usually.

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And what about directionality, George,
in terms of like if you were comparing it

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to say, an ntg five or a 4160,
are they fairly similar.

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Directionality.

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Well, like if I start working off
axis one, you know,

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it has a fair amount of
rejection of dust and sides.

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It's a

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it's a it's a line gradient microphone.

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So it's not the same design as a 441 six.

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It's not an RF mic and it's not a tube.

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What do they call it, a tube interference.

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No, it's a it has an interference tube,
but it sure looks interference to

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this one does not have an interference
tube per se I don't think

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because if you look at the side
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it has a very open side slot
and then the capsules towards the back,

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kind of like a traditional shotgun,
like what's what's the model again?

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The on the 81, it's called the 8875 are.

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So I think this is
a really great budget mic.

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And I recommend it to a lot of people

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with less than ideal rooms
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It's more directional, has a very pleasing
EQ, it has two weak points.

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One of them is it's self
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It's definitely noisier.

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You put it up in a quiet room
and you're going to notice the difference

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between this and really any other,
you know, popular condenser.

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It's certainly much
higher than an anti one.

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It's noticeably higher than a 416.

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You pot it up and you hear a pretty
general kind of a white noise from this.

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But it's a is a is it
the kind of noise that kind of goes away.

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It's like a smooth consistent noise.

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Or is it got like a peak.

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No it's it's smooth.

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It. Yeah.

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It's a very smooth consistent white noise.

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Very flat.

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So I find objectionable.

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Yeah. It's kind of like a,

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you know, a tape recorder, real hiss,
you know, kind of thing.

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Yeah. And so it's not objectionable.

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The other thing that is a pro or con
and it totally depends on the user,

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is a low end.

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It has a built in roll off.

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It's a pretty aggressive, low cut.

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So it does not have a lot of bottom.

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And so if you're going for a big bottom
sound, this is not the mic.

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This is not what you want to use.

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Aggressive in terms of the curve or
aggressive in terms of where it's cutting.

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That's a good question.

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And I don't know if I've ever seen a curve
or lot frequency plot of the mic.

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Just listening to it when I throw it up to
a 41 six, there's a definite difference.

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I mean, if you give me 30s
to switch to mics

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while you guys talk amongst yourselves,
I'll play some elevator pretty quickly.

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Go to a 416.

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Well, here, I'll.

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I'll give you some useless info.

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I always feel like the side
open side grilles of this

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Audio-Technica
microphone always look like it's broken.

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And someone broke off the side of the mic.

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That should have been there.

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It it looks a little bit
like the side of whatever.

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I think it's the PL
15 should have looked like.

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But if you take the grille off the side of
it, even 15, you see that kind of thing.

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But besides that, it is
it is probably one of the shortest,

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I guess shotgun mics, like George said, is
is it a shotgun?

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Yeah, I kind of agree with you on that.

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It's a it's an art
from an industrial design perspective.

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It's not premium looking.
It looks kind of.

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Yeah.

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Not very well made, but it's it's
such a is such an unbelievable budget

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that I kind of don't worry about that
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But yeah, you look at it,
you know like something.

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What's up with that? I think I'm going
to break it if I pick it up.

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Sorry.

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My speakers on. Sorry about that.

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All right, I'm going to lock this for.

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Let's get it around the room.
Right. Georgia's boom. This.

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Yeah.

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Which one do you talking to?

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Yeah, that's a bit with the three three,
but it looks like it's hundred 90 bucks.

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Let's
see if we can do this without a cable.

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That was worth telling you.

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Well, in my webinar I actually do.

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I do put them like I do
talking to the back of the 41 six

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so people can hear that
it has a back lobe.

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Okay. Yeah.

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Because that's the thing about shotguns

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and super cardioid is
they do have a back, a lobe.

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They pick up a bit from the back.

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And it's interesting because it's a pretty
much a full spectrum pickup.

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It's not a super filtered sound.

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It's just it's just lower.

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It just it doesn't quite have the reach.

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It's not it's right.

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It's got to pick up.

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But it's not the same gain
or reach as the front of it.

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But it's it's kind of, figure eight ish.

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Because if you think about it, a figure
eight also rejects

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incredibly well from the side and. Right.

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And all that energy,
you know, it's like squeezing a balloon.

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The energy is somewhere else.

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So now I'm on the 41 six
and my my partners

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that sound, there's that sound,
but you can hear that low,

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the bottom octave of the
that the 88, 75 doesn't hear.

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Yeah. Right. Yeah.

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So yeah.

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From a mid to high from a mid
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spectrum
I think the two are not too far off.

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Crazy far from each other.

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But the low end.

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Yeah.

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You don't get, you don't get the extension
for 16 on the 875 at all.

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So, so it's not going to be for everybody.

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And, but I think for a lot of people,
especially women or just people

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that need something

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that they can pull out of a bag
and record it in the back of a car or,

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you know, or in their closet or something
that's a quick and dirty, get a decent

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sounding video. It's
a really good, quick and dirty mic.

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Yeah, it doesn't sound like it's
that hard to EQ that back end.

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It depends on how steep that filter is
and if it really just right

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rolls it off or just kills it,

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you know, like you can't EQ back in
what's not there, you can fake it though.

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I always find the the 41
six is very harsh on a sibilant voice.

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If you were

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sibilant,
you wouldn't want to be using a 41 six.

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Having said that, I'm on.

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The Austin Audio CC eight,

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which also, heat, but I'm hearing
a bit of top end as well in this thing.

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Lovely bottom.

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I love you on that mic.

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I really do. It's a great,
great microphone.

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This one I'm
actually trying to look up with the 88.

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It's kind of funny
you set that up in your room is like oh.

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I'm just going to give this a try and
look at this become here's my six months.

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Yeah, it's the ideal

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podcast sound. That's right.

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But the strange thing is
I took it on the road

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that this was the mic
I used in the back of the car.

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And, and

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everyone was like, Holy shit,
that sounds amazing.

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But it also is.

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We've when we were chatting with, Kirk
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Austin Audio for Kurt Torrey,

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he was saying about the voicing of this
microphone

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is not dissimilar
to the one I used in the 18.

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Oh, it does
have you can tell he's in the same family.

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It's interesting.

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I do like that, so I do you tend to go
even though this is a really, you know,

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budget level, entry level mic,
they still do print and create,

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you know, a polar pattern and a frequency
response diagram for that mic.

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So you can get a real honest,
look at what's kind of interesting about

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it is that other mics in its price point
for shotguns would be battery

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powered shotguns for that, it's
true of those camera people.

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Yeah. You know, like a preamp that is 48.

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And this thing is like it's at that price
point for the I just need a shotgun mic.

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And I don't give a crap about mikes
because I put all my money into my lens.

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But it needs 48 Phantom,
which kind of assumes

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a higher level of equipment is behind.
Sure.

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It is very impressive.

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It was bottom end isn't it? That mic?
Yeah, it's it's steep.

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It's a steep roll off and their axle spec
is that's what the key.

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What's, what's the NI point 100, 100 100.

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Yeah.

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Then it falls off a cliff.

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Just getting started. Does. Yeah.

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Yeah. That's key down that hill. Yeah.

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You notice the

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frequency response spec is 90 to 20 K.

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So they can they basically consider

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after 90 DB you don't use this month
nothing you're going to use.

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Consider this for basically
put it on the top of the camera.

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Totally. What it's for.

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Yeah this is and it's short
for that reason too.

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So it doesn't like it's short. Yeah, yeah.

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Throw it on a video camera. It
lives in the bag.

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Takes a beating.

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It's for people that don't care
that much about, you know, the audio.

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It's just a mic that lives on the camera.

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That's why I just want a camera mic.

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Yeah.

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As it literally says, it's for energy
and e r or FP.

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What's FP?

250
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I know what NGO is, but what's FP
audio acquisition.

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Oh it's like field production I guess.

252
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Yeah I yeah I just didn't
expect it to be as a not

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as pleasing of a microphone on a voice
as it was because I didn't.

254
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Is it just way.

255
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Yeah. Yeah.

256
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It was a total surprise and I don't
remember where I first discovered the mic.

257
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I don't remember where it came from.

258
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It's just been I've had the mic forever
and it's just been around.

259
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So yeah, it's, it's

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a, it's a very commonly recommended mic
for me at this point when someone's on a,

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again on a budget
or they already have a 41, 6 or 95

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and they want to have an ultra budget mic
for not being worried about being lost.

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Yeah.

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In the broken or damaged, actually,
speaking of the 41

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six though, and we we talked about this
before we started recording.

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When we did the comparison years ago
with a whole bunch of mics.

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In fact, the box I had here
and we put the anti one,

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the rode into one up against the 41 six

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and they were so close it was ridiculous.

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Yeah. Like it was so shocking.

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It was crazy.

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But yeah.

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But but I'm I'm getting a similar vibe

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of a similar situation
because I remember thinking how bizarre

275
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it was that this large diaphragm like
sounds like a small diaphragm shotgun mic.

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And then you're saying the same thing
about the eight in the eight when they

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it could not be more different
in their construction.

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Yeah, I've just been recently.

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It's weird
diving into watching this extremely long,

280
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video tour of general like,

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I don't know if you guys have seen it.

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They get some production expert

283
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or what's one of those
very popular YouTube channels?

284
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I think is it produced like a pro?

285
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Is it produced like a pro?

286
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Yeah, I think so.

287
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It's like,
is it Warren Hewitt going to show you it.

288
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Yeah.

289
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It's it's it's fun because it's, you know,
they go to the museum,

290
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there's like a basement room,
you know, with all the junk.

291
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Oh, yeah. Yeah, every,
every manufacturer has their own museum.

292
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It's like, sure has that too.

293
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Yeah, but but that's always been
their design philosophy is doesn't matter

294
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how big or small
the speaker is, has the same voice.

295
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It's true is

296
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one which is very a big deal with channel
EQ, right.

297
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Okay.

298
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I can definitely say that about like
the number all the way up to the big boys.

299
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Of course, as you go bigger, they
get louder and they have more low end.

300
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Other than that, voices,
they sound extremely similar, like I can

301
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I can attest to that because, you know,
when I was another country,

302
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they had big three way
gentle acts that had the,

303
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I forget what the exact model was,
but like 18 inch woofers.

304
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And then we would spend a lot of our time
on the ten 30s,

305
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and it just always felt like just the low
end kept on going down and down.

306
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But the top end was the same.

307
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Always like it just felt. It's funny.

308
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Yeah.

309
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Because I've got a pair of, 18 tens here,

310
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which is the three inch, three inch,

311
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with three cast aluminum and a tweeter
chassis, cast aluminum.

312
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Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that that you could throw them downstairs.

313
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I think that'd be fun.

314
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But, it's amazing when you when you fire
those things up, you

315
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give them a bit of welly.

316
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They're really, really loud.

317
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I mean, there's two amplifiers in.

318
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Yeah, they're all by tens.

319
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That's a big. Yeah. Yeah.

320
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And, I've had people in here
come in to record.

321
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I did some guys recording some music,
doing some vocals and stuff in here,

322
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and we used the little Gentle Lakes
as opposed to the big, Yamaha's.

323
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They were like, oh, I'm like, is it okay?

324
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Is that coming out of those? My

325
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I think our great general likes
are the 1029.

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So if you know of those and those, those,
you could probably squash

327
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a pair of 80 tens with in terms of build,

328
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they're like yeah.

329
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But again
I think I buy is that a five inch woofer.

330
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It's like a five inch woofer
with a tweeter.

331
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And they have a metal grill
over the tweeter

332
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and a metal grill over the woofer,
and there's a volume on it,

333
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and the whole thing is just like,
you could just build a house out of them.

334
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Yeah. Right.

335
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Insane.

336
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And, and then are they square
or are they the square ones?

337
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They're they're square.

338
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They're a little bit
they got some angles to them,

339
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but they're basically just blocks.

340
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But yeah, you throw a subwoofer on them.

341
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Boom.

342
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Yeah. Have a great sounding setup.

343
00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:04,760
Yeah. Genetics are amazing.

344
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They're beautiful speakers,
that's for sure.

345
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Back to microphones.

346
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I am back to my if you had listened,
you could have an NC one

347
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and you could have a kid

348
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and you'd have the large diaphragm sound

349
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from the small diaphragm, the small.

350
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Yeah.

351
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Swap them around. Yeah.

352
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I don't know why I don't want to,
but sure, you could,

353
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you could.

354
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This is really a microphone.

355
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Manufacturers don't have the same idea
about mic design as general,

356
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like does about monitor design.

357
00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:42,600
You know, general like has a very distinct
sound curve that they've established

358
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that's generally considered
to be very honest, I guess very flat.

359
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And and you know, they that's their thing.

360
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Whereas if you made a microphone,

361
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the thing about microphones
is they're different.

362
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You don't have seven different sizes
of mic with the same voicing.

363
00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,960
That is a different I think yes and no.

364
00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,360
So I think if you look at the company
that actually so the

365
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the company that bought Austin Audio
and the company that they were before

366
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that was be in K mikes
and those were test microphones.

367
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And yes, every test microphone you want,
it's like supposed to be flat in the same

368
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in truth. Right.

369
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And that's kind of what you're looking for

370
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from a pair of monitors is here's
our version of the truth

371
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from and Jen like is consistent like
they tell the same story all the time.

372
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But then when you look at microphones,
especially microphones for music

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and kind of also for voice over,
you are looking for a particular

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paintbrush, one that works well with your
instrument, your voice, whatever it is.

375
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And you are looking for different sounds.

376
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And I think that's why you see some.

377
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If not, there would be like, you know,
ten microphones out there for all of you,

378
00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:51,040
I don't know.

379
00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:52,240
Yeah. True.

380
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That's true.

381
00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,840
Yeah. He's a he's one to throw at you.

382
00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:59,640
If channel EQ made headphones
would they sound like the Austrian Audio

383
00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:01,200
Iix headphones?

384
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Surprisingly gentle.

385
00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,440
Like, doesn't make headphones. Isn't it?

386
00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,040
Yeah. Like, yeah it is.

387
00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,040
It is interesting
what they do choose not to make,

388
00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,880
you know, they haven't gone
the focal route, which is

389
00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,920
of course,
we make a $3,000 pair of headphones.

390
00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:19,920
Yeah.

391
00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:21,880
I in fact, I was, I was
they were consistent.

392
00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,080
That is being expensive.

393
00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:24,680
Yeah.

394
00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:29,320
I was at the I was at the repair shop
where my friend does all the Avalon stuff.

395
00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,800
I was picking up two, seven,
30 sevens to sell for one voice actor

396
00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:38,680
dropping off three Avalon for,
for an agency to be,

397
00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,400
you know, benched, tuned, calibrated
so I could sell them.

398
00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:43,680
I'm gonna have.

399
00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,880
Those were the Avalon preamps. Those.

400
00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,320
Those were the straight preamps,
not the tens.

401
00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:49,520
Like. Yeah.

402
00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:53,080
All together, I have three, seven,
three sevens and 220, 22.

403
00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,280
The 2020 twos are the two channels.

404
00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:00,200
Solid state,
you know, external power supply,

405
00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,560
very high high fidelity preamps.

406
00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:04,560
Yeah.

407
00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:08,720
But I was there
and he, had a had a set of vocal

408
00:19:09,120 --> 00:19:12,200
utopias with a broken yoke.

409
00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:16,680
So, you know, the yoke that
the cup supported inside your headphone.

410
00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:18,760
Yeah. Carbon fiber.

411
00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,920
He said the part is $900.

412
00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,800
Oh my gosh, I brought you,

413
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crazy.

414
00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,080
That's unnecessary. Yeah.

415
00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,680
Yeah, it's that's formula one. It is.

416
00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,360
It is like the F1 of headphones is true.

417
00:19:37,360 --> 00:19:39,240
Like the really no budget, you know.

418
00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,920
So maybe these things have gone
beyond Stax is what you're telling me.

419
00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:48,560
So Cal has, like, taken the $5,000 head
speaker and taken it to the next level.

420
00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:49,560
Yeah.

421
00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:49,920
I mean,

422
00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,320
I don't know what
the top of the line for cars are,

423
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because there seems to be no limit as to
how much you can price a headphone for.

424
00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,760
Just like there seems to be no limit
to how much you can price a car for

425
00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:01,280
at this point.

426
00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,800
And people still sell,
they still sell out.

427
00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:07,680
So, you know, it
just every time I hear about more high end

428
00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,800
gear and cars and everything,
I just realize there's just that

429
00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,840
many more people that can afford
these cars than there used to be.

430
00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:14,840
Which is weird.

431
00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,240
That's why there's a lot more people
that can't afford these.

432
00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,240
So those are
those are focal utopias, right?

433
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,280
The ones that I saw on the bench
were a full utopias, right?

434
00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,760
They had carbon.
Those are $5,000 microphone.

435
00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,240
So you're telling me that the yoke is one
fifth of the price?

436
00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:31,320
Headphones. Sorry. Headphones.

437
00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,400
Well,
you could probably use them as a mic too.

438
00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,640
But yeah
it probably it's a $5,000 headphone.

439
00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:37,680
Yeah. Yeah yeah.

440
00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:38,280
Exactly.

441
00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:41,240
And you're telling me
that one of the yokes

442
00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,240
is a fifth of the price of that thing?

443
00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:45,000
That's right.

444
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,640
Well,
I have a whole nother story to talk about

445
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,440
from that same shop
that might be in another episode.

446
00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,680
Doing a meanwhile back on microphones.

447
00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:53,480
Yeah, yeah. That's.

448
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:57,760
So when are we gonna start using drum
microphones for for voiceover I think

449
00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:02,760
I think the secret hidden mic
from for voiceover is D1 112.

450
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:05,880
I do get to say 112.

451
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,720
You knew it was used to say the D1 12.

452
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:09,920
Well think about it. It's got that.

453
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,800
It's got that mid frequency pop
for all your heavy metal kick drums

454
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,360
to pop through. Right.

455
00:21:15,360 --> 00:21:18,360
And it's got the bass to it
and it's like you know

456
00:21:19,360 --> 00:21:21,960
kick mikes off and do work well for voice.

457
00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:26,040
You know you have your PL 20
and your and buyer

458
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,200
M 88 and mikes that work on kick drums.

459
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,640
Workhorse die for silver.
You're an innovator Robert.

460
00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,000
You really are aiming the RC 20. Yeah.

461
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,200
Do you need a cloudlifter
or something for a D1 12?

462
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,560
Yeah. PL 2320. Same Mike.

463
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,720
Yeah. Same mic.

464
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,760
So now we're on the M50, so you guys
may not be too aware of this company.

465
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,880
It's a small U.S
company based in LA called Mojave.

466
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:51,240
It's been around a while.

467
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:56,240
The Mike SA designed by David Royer,
David Royer of the Royer

468
00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:01,160
Microphone Company, which normally makes
you known for ribbon and that's right.

469
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:02,360
That's their. Yeah. Yeah.

470
00:22:02,360 --> 00:22:04,880
But he also designs the mikes for Mojave.

471
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,160
So they're like sister companies.

472
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:11,160
And and Royer Ribbon
mikes are really one of the better ribbon

473
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:15,600
like a EAA and Royer kind of make the
some of the top end ribbon.

474
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:20,720
They're the ones that everybody compares
to exactly the, the ones used in on drum

475
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:25,840
overheads and orchestras
and you know they're fantastic. Sam.

476
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,240
Fantastic mikes.

477
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:27,920
It's like that.

478
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,960
So anyway but yeah yeah the M50

479
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,080
is another great sounding
large diaphragm contender.

480
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,920
It's, it's

481
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,520
it's very pleasing.

482
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,040
It's not harsh, it's smooth.

483
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,640
It's got the full spectrum.

484
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,960
There's no low cut switches
or anything on this mic.

485
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,280
So, you know,
if you have a rumble problem, these mics

486
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,560
do a lovely job
of picking out rumble and low frequency.

487
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,840
But I demonstrated that in my booth

488
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,880
and I was letting people see
and hear the room tone.

489
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,880
And we were looking at the Rmse meter
on Twisted wave, and,

490
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:04,320
this one's room tone measured
the highest compared to the 91

491
00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:06,960
and the 41 six,

492
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,800
because simply
it just picks up more low frequency input.

493
00:23:11,120 --> 00:23:16,560
And so the more low frequency sensitivity
a mic is going to have, the higher

494
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,120
your metering is going to reflect
on your room tone measurement.

495
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,680
This is why we get so caught up
in talking about room tone.

496
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,200
And people like,
I want to get a lower than a -60 DB.

497
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:32,760
So, you know, room tone in my studio
and I'm like, yeah, you have to consider

498
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,600
the whole frequency spectrum
and the low end is the hardest to control.

499
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:41,080
So I tell people, look, for a lot of folks
just applying a high pass

500
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:45,560
filter is going to be an adequate
treatment to that issue

501
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,720
is that you can just leave it alone
and let your engineer take care of it.

502
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,080
Yeah, or leave it alone.

503
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,600
If the engineer doesn't care
what your meter say,

504
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,720
which a professional doesn't care
what the meter say.

505
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,840
They only care
about mixing with your eyes.

506
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:57,960
Yeah. Yes.

507
00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:59,880
They don't care what the meter say.

508
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:00,640
But that's the problem.

509
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,200
When there's a
there's this notion that some

510
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,760
the -60 has become the golden number
for room tone.

511
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:09,480
And it's because of it.

512
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:11,960
Audio book companies.

513
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:12,360
Yeah.

514
00:24:12,360 --> 00:24:16,520
They, they've really put the fear of God
into all these voiceover people.

515
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:16,920
Right.

516
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,240
Because they put so much burden
of engineering onto the voiceover person.

517
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:21,800
Right?

518
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,200
Yep. Now interestingly,
when I put up my 41 six in the booth

519
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,400
and I was recording with peaks
at just about under zero because I was,

520
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,200
I was using the passport
Vo with the compressor.

521
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:35,520
So I had the gain up pretty hot and
I was going right up to just about zero.

522
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:40,240
It's I was getting about -60 on the meter
on the 41 six.

523
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,680
So coincidence I don't know.

524
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,000
But that's just where that Mike tends
to meter

525
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,000
out on the room tone,
you know, on the self noise.

526
00:24:50,120 --> 00:24:53,320
So, you know, it's just
what does it sound like?

527
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,080
That's what matters.

528
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:56,760
Remember that, right?

529
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,040
Yeah, I'd say I used to.

530
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:03,840
Yeah, I'd say this Mojave seems to have
a very smooth top end to it.

531
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,000
Like, from what I can tell, not not much.

532
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:09,480
I use one of those.

533
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:10,440
Yeah, I use one of those

534
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,600
probably 15 years ago, mate of mine
who had a studio when he for a session,

535
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,880
he just bought that microphone
or it may have been the, brother.

536
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,680
So the M50 is their
is their entry point mic.

537
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,240
So they wanted to come out with something
a little bit more,

538
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:27,640
you know, cost effective.

539
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,400
So this one entry point
being 500 bucks right.

540
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,480
Entry point being 5 to $600 I think it
actually went up in price a little bit.

541
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:36,400
The Ma

542
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,960
200 201
and the 301 and that they have a 301 FET.

543
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,200
That's more likely the mic you're
probably using.

544
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,560
I don't know if you remember
if it was a tube or a fat mic.

545
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,760
Andrew.

546
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,160
It was a fit and I know

547
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,400
it was actually an entry level one
because the guy that was using it,

548
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,560
he said, look, this
this was actually really cheap.

549
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,760
And he said, it sounds fantastic. Yeah.

550
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,720
So it may have been when this came out
or may have been the 201,

551
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,920
which is, which was probably
in a similar price point to this.

552
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,240
Was that that this one was
when it came out.

553
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,000
Yeah. And yeah, they're,
they're all great.

554
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,880
You know, the thing about mics is it

555
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,400
how does it sound
and what's the quality control like.

556
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,280
Right. Like these mics are hand-built.

557
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:17,640
The to a degree

558
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:19,240
the capsule on

559
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,240
the M50 arguably
is probably not a hand-built capsule.

560
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,320
I don't know how they source
the capsule on this.

561
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,760
I was going to say like,
are they making their own or are they,

562
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:30,880
at this price point for the M50?

563
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,000
I'd have to find out.

564
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,240
I have to ask, I don't know, I don't want
to I don't want to assume anything.

565
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:40,040
But the, the QC is a big part of it, too.

566
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,440
The quality control,
David really does bench heavy

567
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,200
mic himself,
you know, before it walks out of the door,

568
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:51,160
he puts it up, he listens to it,
he signs off and calibrates it.

569
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,720
And that's a big deal for there
still to be the mic designer himself.

570
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,360
His ears
go on that mic before goes out the door.

571
00:26:57,360 --> 00:26:59,000
I think that that means a lot.

572
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,120
Pretty rare these days.

573
00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:01,760
And what are you to say
the price point was for that?

574
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,240
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for 99 for a while.

575
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,840
The last I checked it was closer to five.

576
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,600
It was closer to 60.
I'm I'm looking at one right now.

577
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:10,760
That's five and a quarter.

578
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,160
That's pretty reasonable still.

579
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,400
And and then it looks like the map is 650,
which is not bad.

580
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,320
That's okay. Yeah. Yeah.

581
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,520
And then I'm going back to my last train.

582
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:21,960
Audio.

583
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,360
Oh. See 707.

584
00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:26,680
Is that what the, condenser handheld is?

585
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:27,960
Yeah. 707 is it.

586
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,480
This thing has a pod. Go.

587
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,000
Yeah, well, this has an audio.

588
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,960
Q And I'm going to I'm going
to turn off my processing, on this mic.

589
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:40,640
It just it just has the, that stage like
it just dropped the low end kind of thing.

590
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:41,040
Yeah.

591
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,720
So this is, it seems that someone's going
to be because you're not too close to it.

592
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,680
Right? Right.

593
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:47,400
Yeah. Yeah.

594
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,640
This is like flat
and it has this mid-range punch.

595
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:53,920
There's like a little bit of a range

596
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,160
tent in the, in
the curve, which they said is intentional.

597
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,080
I mean, that was

598
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,440
I don't, you know, I haven't done live
sound in so long, so I don't remember

599
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:05,840
the way I would EQ my handheld

600
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,560
mics a lot,
but apparently there's always needing to.

601
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,640
This is a frequency range
that's desirable in a live sound mic,

602
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,800
because you're trying to get the voice
to kind of

603
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,880
elevate and lift
above the mud of the guitars and stuff.

604
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,440
So I guess that makes sense.

605
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:27,160
But in a vacuum, when it's just voice,
no music, no nothing, I the EQ,

606
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:28,440
this is not my favorite.

607
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:33,040
And so I just, I kind of smooth out
what's what's the model of that one again.

608
00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:38,000
Oh see 707 so this guy is sounds right.

609
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:39,320
Sorry about that. Yeah.

610
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,760
Oh see 707
and the reason I got them to send me

611
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,600
this mic was
I really wanted to see what would be.

612
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,520
I wouldn't mind taking it to
what could be the ultimate travel mic.

613
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,800
You want a mic
that has a built in plosive pop filter

614
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,040
you want to might as a building
shock mount, you want to might.

615
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,840
It has a really nice pickup,

616
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,920
but isn't overly sensitive to low
frequency and rumble.

617
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,280
These are all things that I think of us
as a good travel Mike.

618
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,160
So basically the key that Andrew has,

619
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,440
but without the Q curve of the 707.

620
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:18,920
So if they made a mic, that was the eight,
but the curve, the sound of the car

621
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,120
in the shock mount
and the plosive pop production

622
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:27,760
and out of the OC 707 that could be
could be an ultimate portable mic.

623
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,600
I don't. There you go. That's my theory.

624
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:30,440
Yeah, yeah,

625
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:35,040
I, I think I think they were going
for a bit of an sm57 thing with that, like

626
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,280
in terms of its curve IQ.

627
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:42,560
So yeah, so,
so like like a, like a 57 looking at it,

628
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,160
it's got a bump rated around.

629
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,120
It looks like
it's probably like to starting at two K

630
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,400
and ending at around
ten K peaking at five K.

631
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,240
It's got a bump.

632
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,320
Oh yeah.

633
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,160
And then before that
it's pretty damn flat.

634
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,800
Except it you can ski down the hill

635
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,120
at around 157.

636
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,160
It kind of drops off quick.

637
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:09,720
And then we look at the Austrian.

638
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,720
Audio 707 airliner.

639
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,440
Sam Andrew. Got it, I got it.

640
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,240
Yeah, I was okay.

641
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:18,760
There we go.

642
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:23,440
Okay, so the Austrian audio flatter,
smoother, like like less jagged.

643
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,520
But it's got a bump that peaks out right
around four and a half.

644
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,560
K starts at one and a half K,

645
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:33,600
and then it has a little

646
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,040
extra bump rated around 12 K. So.

647
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,200
But as far as that, that five k bump

648
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,880
in that area that the 57 has,
the 707 has it.

649
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,880
And then similarly the 707 is pretty flat
from one k backwards.

650
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,160
But then you get to 100Hz and

651
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,800
falls off the cliff, I think

652
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,120
I think that's very characteristic
of a stage handheld Mike.

653
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:58,480
Yeah.

654
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,480
The 707 got a really interesting
basket though because it's at

655
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,960
the back of the basket is open. Yeah.

656
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,040
And they probably do that
as you get better smoother off axis

657
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,040
rejection I'm sure. Yeah.

658
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,680
A lot of the sounds of microphones.

659
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,280
Is it the sound of what's in front of it.

660
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:19,680
It's the sound of what's
not in front of it and how it rejects it

661
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,240
without making that stuff
sound bad, like the off axis rejection.

662
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,040
If it sounds good, even though it's off

663
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,680
axis, the idea is that you want
the sound to attenuate in volume,

664
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,600
but what you don't want is the off axis
sound to attenuate in some crazy way.

665
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,400
So that all you hear
is all the high end crappy stuff.

666
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,880
You know, that's like crappy, like bleed.

667
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,560
But if it's just, hey,
a little extra volume of that stuff, it's

668
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,040
a lot more manageable on stage
than every time I pull the singer up.

669
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,480
I get all of the symbols in a harsh,
nasty way.

670
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:52,840
Yeah, yeah.

671
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:57,200
So, George, where can people go to your
webinar to hear all these microphones?

672
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,200
Well, have we heard the,
where would they find?

673
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,400
We heard the 818 up or where we go.

674
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,080
Well, you've been listening
to one whole episode.

675
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:05,880
Oh, yeah.

676
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:06,880
So that's.

677
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,120
Yeah,

678
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,600
I wanted to I wanted to try to get the
I guess I didn't notice or,

679
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:17,520
like like when you switched from the, M50
to the 818, I was, I was, I was going to.

680
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,720
That's kind of curious about that.
Don't throw it.

681
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,280
Oh, do you want to hear that? Yeah.
Yeah yeah, yeah.

682
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:22,560
All right.

683
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,240
Give me, give me 20s
to walk into the booth and grab it.

684
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,400
And do you know the interesting thing
that I find with the 818,

685
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,640
I did a comparison with, for one for eBay.

686
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,640
Even though it's the nylon capsule
which everyone get is nylon capsule.

687
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,160
Get the brass capsule.

688
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,160
I don't
I don't think is the brass capsule,

689
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,640
in my opinion,
is that much different to the nylon one.

690
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,680
The fact that people actually
sent them off repair came back

691
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,680
with a vinyl capsule
and they didn't know, kind of.

692
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,520
Yeah. Agrees with that, that comment.

693
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:55,640
But anyway, I did it

694
00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:00,160
and it was really interesting
because the 818 on the, for one for web,

695
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:02,520
were very similar.

696
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,600
You just you could just hear the 414
was just a bit dull in comparison, but

697
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,000
they certainly were in the same ballpark
and same same design.

698
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,680
Obviously there's the they are, the K 12.

699
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,320
I mean, even the name of the capsules
are pretty similar.

700
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,600
What does it like the C k 12 scale
1212 and c k 12.

701
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,440
Yeah yeah yeah.

702
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,480
So so they, they were very honest about it
I think.

703
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:28,280
Yeah. Yeah.

704
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:29,960
Because it was the K 12 capsule.

705
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,960
They were,
they were trying to make a c k 12.

706
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,960
That was easier to manufacture I think.

707
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,320
Yeah George has the best handheld 818.

708
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,080
Yeah I just

709
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,760
I don't feel like I'm
threading the shock now.

710
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,840
Right now for the other mic,
but yeah this is now the 818,

711
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,160
hanging
roughly in the same place as the M50.

712
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:52,640
I'm holding it by my hand and

713
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,920
it's on cardioid,
it's on flat and it's no pad.

714
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,400
So that's that's what that might sounds
like with nothing going on.

715
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,720
Just the mic itself. No processing.

716
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,600
There may be some post-processing,

717
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,560
you know, on the mics of the show
here a little bit, but that's it.

718
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:10,560
That's the 818.

719
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,400
So it is a different it's
a different sound than the M50 isn't it.

720
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:15,320
And it's officially

721
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,880
my favorite voice over mic
I love it trying to recall that M50 now.

722
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,520
And do you guys have any thoughts on
what the differences were or

723
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,720
are you going to put that 50 back up
there? George.

724
00:34:25,720 --> 00:34:27,920
Looks like there's the M50.

725
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,080
Now I'm back on the M3.

726
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:29,320
Okay.

727
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,600
So some more top end
I think maybe 50 is a little bit

728
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,480
more quote unquote hi fi or disco smile.

729
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:38,000
Yeah.

730
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,000
Yeah yeah. It sounds like it's more to me.

731
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:42,200
Yeah. Yeah.

732
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:46,080
And the A1 eight is a little bit
more flat, a little bit more honest.

733
00:34:47,240 --> 00:34:50,040
You know just different
I think I like the 818 better

734
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,040
when they sound like a better better
kind of

735
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,000
balance to it.

736
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,960
But they are a nice mike.

737
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,320
They I love it.

738
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:00,080
They're very nice.

739
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,840
In fact I just checked I just checked
my CCI and I've got a six, 60

740
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:07,640
highpass 000.

741
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,080
You flip the switch on it
for the 60 high pass.

742
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,360
Yeah. It was, it was on there.

743
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,640
I actually had it flicked.

744
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,000
I think it does
the tour from the sentence work

745
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,000
to flip that switch.

746
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:19,600
That's one of the.

747
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,600
It's one of those cars thing.

748
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,800
Yeah yeah yeah yeah. There you go.

749
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:27,720
Well there you go.

750
00:35:27,720 --> 00:35:29,400
Masterclass in microphones.

751
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:30,120
Yeah exactly.

752
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:34,040
At the mi 50 voicing
is really there's sort of like this thing

753
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,720
I think with voicing there's

754
00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:39,960
when you're,
when you're new to voice over or not.

755
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:40,960
Not new to voiceover.

756
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,960
Really new to voice recording
or even audio engineering.

757
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,040
You know in your musician
a mike that sounds more exciting

758
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,040
is going to sell better.

759
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,120
It just if it's got a little bit
more brightness, a little more cut,

760
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,320
it's just that's what people want to hear.

761
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,960
Just like with headphones, if it's got a
little bit more top end, it's more sizzle.

762
00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:01,680
It's just
the sizzle is what people look for.

763
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,760
But when you become more, your taste
improves.

764
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,040
You know, when you're hearing the fine
wines, you know what I mean?

765
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,120
You notice those. You don't, you don't.

766
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:17,080
You're not fooled by things that color
the sound to sell the mic.

767
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,440
And this makes
it sound like I'm cheapening the M50.

768
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:21,040
I'm really not.

769
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,600
But they're an understanding the market
for that, Mike, is entry point.

770
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,320
And I would say
the equivalent statement is like,

771
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,760
if you go to Best Buy or whatever
and you go check out your stereo systems

772
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,920
and you just buy it based on
like which one has more low end.

773
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:35,840
Yeah. Which one's got most.

774
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,040
But you're not really getting the better
sound.

775
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,320
Yeah,
yeah. It's just like you're just. Yeah.

776
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,200
Oh, I'm more impressed.

777
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,200
You know, like
which car engine is louder or something.

778
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,480
But what we care about more is like,
how equable is that, Mike?

779
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:49,160
Can it be.

780
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,640
Can I get everything I need out of that?
Mike?

781
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,640
Are all the frequencies there? That's.

782
00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:57,000
And and and in a smooth way.

783
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,640
Like, they're not like some jagged thing.

784
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:04,520
So that when I pop this frequency area up,
I get my jagged mouth.

785
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,360
Weird becomes even more weird.

786
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:07,000
Yeah.

787
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:11,960
Like if I add a four kilohertz bump

788
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,360
and that also going to make, like this
really jagged tooth stick out, you know,

789
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,360
because there's like a right bump
in the like, you know,

790
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,600
that's why the smoother
the response is better.

791
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,960
We get one DB there. Derivation

792
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:26,000
plus or minus.

793
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,800
You know as you add more and more boost,
it's going to stand out even more.

794
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,400
It's going to just really jump out of.
Yeah.

795
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,560
So and that's and that's
why one of the funny things that's like,

796
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,920
you know, ribbon mikes,
they're lower output.

797
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,240
They tend to be noisier.

798
00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:41,520
They tend to not have as much high end.

799
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,440
But one thing I can say about ribbon
mikes, very often

800
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,920
they take two EQ extremely well. Yeah.

801
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,640
And they sound frequencies missing.

802
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,640
There's no frequencies missing
and there's no frequencies

803
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:54,360
artificially.

804
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,760
They don't tend to be like smoother
and they just sort of sound.

805
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,840
They have a natural almost

806
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,840
a boringness to them is yes, the problem.

807
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,080
Road actually release that into your
you know that their ribbon might.

808
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:07,680
Oh yeah.

809
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:08,760
I don't know whatever happened to it.

810
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,080
I don't think they pushed it very hard

811
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,840
and it kind of sat on a few shelves
in music stores, I guess.

812
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,160
But I always wanted to try,

813
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,160
wanted to see what it was like,
because what I read was,

814
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,080
unlike most ribbon mics,
this one was actually quite

815
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:25,120
hyped in the top end,
which is ultra ribbon possible.

816
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:29,160
They must have just tuned it well,
and it's also like, how do you do that?

817
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:29,920
In a way, it's

818
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:34,400
like how you tension the ribbon and stuff,
because I believe that ribbon mikes,

819
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,360
you know, like, okay, condenser
mikes have a lot of electronics in them.

820
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,400
Ribbon mikes tend not to

821
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,440
they're usually a transformer, a magnet,
and a ribbon for the most part.

822
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:48,280
Yeah.

823
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,160
And similar
with the with a dynamic moving coil.

824
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,160
Mike, their coil diaphragm,

825
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,160
a transformer quite often.

826
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:01,640
I don't know how many, in fact, are there
many transformer less dynamic mikes?

827
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,400
I don't even know if there are.

828
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,360
So they, they just tend to have less
going on with them.

829
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:11,280
But it does hearken back to
when we were talking to,

830
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,080
Derek at Vanguard,
and the thing that he kept on going back

831
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,080
to, the biggest difference
is the voicing of the capsule.

832
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,560
It's true what a fine art that is voicing.

833
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:21,320
Absolutely.

834
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,040
You know, the electronics
are going to make your difference

835
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,760
with the noise floor and that stuff,
but the sound of it is going to be,

836
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,880
I guess, a lot to do with the, the capsule

837
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,960
and the basket.

838
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:33,720
True.

839
00:39:33,720 --> 00:39:37,480
Here's a question for you,
George and Robert in fact.

840
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,880
And really, really,

841
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,960
if there was no budget, you didn't
have to worry about being spendy or not.

842
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:47,280
What microphone do you think
would be the best one for a voice.

843
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:48,960
And we'll won't say.

844
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:53,000
I reckon it depends on the voice
because I like is it in studios here

845
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:54,560
that you're not thinking
about traveling or anything.

846
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,560
Just like what's the best thing
like given a given the right

847
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,960
environment, the right, you know,
a good proper studio environment?

848
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:02,320
Oh man, I like it.

849
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,120
Use 67 I love it, I love the 67,

850
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,840
if you weren't sure and
and you had an unlimited budget.

851
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,160
I'll be honest,
the mic I would probably pick is A416,

852
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,080
because it's the sound that people expect
for voiceover.

853
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,080
Yeah, for voiceover.
Yeah, yeah. It's true.

854
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,640
If you if you're not sure, if you've got
no idea 41 six and you can't go wrong.

855
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:24,960
It's true.

856
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:25,280
Okay.

857
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:29,720
I would agree that the 41 six probably
for most projects, especially broadcast

858
00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:32,920
oriented commercials
and things like that, it's

859
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:34,920
just going to get you there quicker
without it.

860
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,240
Sounds familiar.

861
00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:38,920
This is the way I say
it just sounds familiar.

862
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,760
I do think like a really nice.

863
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:42,000
Yeah.

864
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:47,080
Like I go to the best mic, you know,
they I've ever recorded on is an original

865
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:51,120
use 67 and it's like, you know like
first time you smoked pot or something.

866
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,840
I've never smoked pot.

867
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,480
Oh. I feel think I should try it.

868
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:58,800
I highly recommend it.

869
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,800
And the 60.

870
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,840
You hear the mic later and throw up.

871
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,840
Right. It does it.

872
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,040
Well, I'm lucky

873
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,440
because I got to use and hear that
Mike quite a bit with David Kay.

874
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,640
And the reason we stopped using
it was just purely

875
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,040
just this persnickety
nature of those mikes.

876
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:22,440
And yeah,
that Peluso PS 67 was a good enough stand

877
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,520
in that
that that Mike took over his daily driver.

878
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,640
So he still has one use 67 in the closet.

879
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,680
You know, it sounds great.

880
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:37,360
My two favorite mikes that I use that I
if I could only have

881
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,040
one, if I could only have one microphone
I think it would be an eight one.

882
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,640
I, I was a great, versatile.

883
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:47,360
And I'm not saying that
because like we always say Austrian

884
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,560
audio sponsored this show,
but I'm not saying because of that.

885
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,600
It's just a fucking good mic.

886
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,480
I don't care what it is.
It's a great mike.

887
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:58,280
And the only other one
I would consider if I had two would be

888
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,040
maybe the, Mike chick fil,

889
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,360
my 92.11.

890
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:06,560
That's that's a beautiful Mike.

891
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,560
That one still sitting in the box.

892
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:10,360
So so

893
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:12,360
Andrew did marry

894
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,360
his true love
that he's got he's got the legacy lives.

895
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,200
Exactly.

896
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,680
Yeah, I, I only have a fake 67.

897
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,640
I don't know enough that I'll say this.

898
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,280
If anybody's going, they're biased.

899
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:24,680
Of course they like they when they.

900
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,360
I mean, check out the Andrew
you Know, podcast.

901
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,080
It just reveals 818.

902
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:30,160
I mean, he's like.

903
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,520
And that guy literally does
nothing but sit there

904
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,360
and listen to Michael microphones.

905
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,080
Yeah. All day in comparison.

906
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,760
And he always puts them up against the
you 87 and 103 and

907
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,960
and he was blown away by the eight when he

908
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,560
I mean he just was like
this is a instant classic.

909
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,560
He literally used the word
this is an instant classic.

910
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,680
I, I think
I think another one thing about the 818

911
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,040
is it
punches so high above its price point,

912
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,240
I totally I, I got mine about a year ago
and I

913
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,320
and I was always swapping mikes because
I'd be happy with something for a while.

914
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,240
And then it got,
I haven't taken this down in a year.

915
00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:08,960
Yeah, yeah.

916
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,200
So, you know, to me that says pretty much
it says a lot.

917
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:13,200
So. Yeah.

918
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,960
And keep in mind it's
really it's really like two microphones.

919
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,640
You get that dual output.

920
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,760
It is technically capable of

921
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,040
so much more than other
mikes, just in terms of,

922
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:27,800
you know,

923
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,720
remotely switching patterns
and I guess even like, I didn't

924
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,920
I haven't even messed with it now,
but using the polar pattern thing

925
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,920
and then embedding that into the mike,

926
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,400
the, the, you know, the software
where you can then send that.

927
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,480
Isn't
that something you can do with the 818.

928
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,600
Yeah. The pattern, the polar design.

929
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,160
Yeah. Yeah.

930
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:53,240
Yeah it's yeah it's definitely
an incredible mike and that's what it.

931
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:54,480
Yeah.

932
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,040
1200 bucks right. Yeah. It's a bit more.

933
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,760
You said it's about 1800 1900 here
probably.

934
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:00,480
Yeah.

935
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,400
It's still and
and you know that plug in great value

936
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,040
I think that it's not just a plug in that
you have to run in a dog either,

937
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,480
you know because yeah that's
what I'm saying.

938
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,840
You can embed that said Mike. Right.

939
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,280
You can bet into the firmware of the mike
through that little Bluetooth

940
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:16,760
dongle thing.

941
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:21,080
And now that secret, your own secret
pickup pattern that's unique to you

942
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:25,480
that nobody else has is in the mike
and nobody has that.

943
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,000
I have not seen anybody tried to do that.

944
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,360
That is a 100% unique feature.

945
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:31,760
Yes, it really is.

946
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,760
Yes. I know
Louis tried to do stuff like that,

947
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,720
and I don't know whether they added that
as well, but, they certainly have the two,

948
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,600
if I dare say there's sister companies,
maybe they're not in the sense

949
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,600
that they came out of the parent
being AKG brothers.

950
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,120
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly.

951
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,640
So let's let's see here is Lou it fell

952
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:58,440
and then Austrian audio is Neumann
or because some people think

953
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,680
that actually fell is the true Neumann
nine one.

954
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,520
That's absolutely is.

955
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:07,080
So then Austrian audio is the gift
fell in that context.

956
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,800
Yeah. So that was good.

957
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,280
So I mean

958
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,920
the probably people are wondering
what the hell are you talking about?

959
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,720
The the thing about
if you think about Neumann, it's actually,

960
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,000
a mother company, right.

961
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,400
Because it's owned by Sennheiser.

962
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,440
And give Phil has all the original,

963
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,840
tooling and everything
because and that all goes back to

964
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:28,720
and no one knows
that goes back to World War two

965
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:32,120
when they sliced Germany in half,
the factory was in one place.

966
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:37,080
And then Neumann,
the guy ran to the west, right.

967
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,920
He got out the
he went back to Berlin and reopened.

968
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,920
But all of the original tools
were in the East.

969
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:44,640
Yeah.

970
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,120
So Neumann was in
CA fell because of the bombings in Berlin.

971
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:53,040
So they got the factory up and went to get
fell in, which became East Germany.

972
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:58,360
And and then Norman went back
and started up Neumann again in Berlin.

973
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,840
Well, it fell just
and they actually worked together

974
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,400
for quite a while until the wall went up.

975
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,080
And once the wall went up,
that was the end of that.

976
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,200
So Kessel got isolated
and just continue doing that.

977
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,600
But you want a
mike built on the original equipment?

978
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,080
It's a it's a good kefir.

979
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:11,760
Yeah.

980
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:16,280
If you want an M7 capsule built on the
original tooling then you get a good fill.

981
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,000
Yeah yeah yeah.

982
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:19,560
So yeah.

983
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,960
So so then and then where is where is AKG.

984
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,760
And that whole thing
like AKG shows up after the war.

985
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,040
They're not a company
that's before the war. Right.

986
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,840
I'm not sure when they started actually
I don't know I think were they not

987
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:31,720
I have no idea.

988
00:46:31,720 --> 00:46:35,640
Like I mean they certainly show up
pretty soon after because the C12

989
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,520
is like kind of and you know,
they're doing stuff for Tesla Funkin.

990
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:40,680
So yeah.

991
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:44,520
So they're they're definitely in that
like by the 60s they're definitely well

992
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,760
established, which means
they probably added absolute 50s.

993
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:49,560
You know, you know you know

994
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:53,480
Newman's 1140s because those 47
you know things like that.

995
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:54,120
So yeah

996
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,120
I don't know exactly how old it is.

997
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,200
19 1947. Yeah.

998
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,440
Because it's not the same time
no anymore okay.

999
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:03,480
Yeah. 1947.

1000
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:07,560
So because they were supplying
telephone con and the alarm

1001
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,800
five one and C12 were actually
the same microphone pretty much.

1002
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:13,200
Yep. Yeah.

1003
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:13,400
Yeah.

1004
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,400
So AKG is definitely a postwar company.

1005
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:17,880
Yeah.

1006
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,920
And they and they it's like it's so funny
because it's like that

1007
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,520
original capsule that c k 12 capsule
that's like that designed from

1008
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:28,440
because the C the C12 is one of their
first mics for AKG.

1009
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:28,720
Right.

1010
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:34,440
The AKG din series were at the time that
time manufactured by hand by five workers.

1011
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,000
In 1949, the first AKG headphones
came on the market.

1012
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:38,640
There you go.

1013
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:39,840
Two years later.

1014
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,840
Wow. Okay.
How is it that these guys. Yeah.

1015
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:43,440
How is it today?

1016
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:47,400
Essentially, for all, for lack of a better
way, I mean, for a lack of,

1017
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:48,640
you know, a better way of saying

1018
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,720
how do they essentially perfect
the mic capsule in the 40s

1019
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:57,520
before we had the monitoring back
to monitor the full range of sound

1020
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:01,800
the way we do now, or I think they were
they were somehow testing them.

1021
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,960
They were telling them by hand.

1022
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,800
Well, it was it was all hand tension,
but it was it was one of the things

1023
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,360
you'd also have to optimize it for
whatever was the benchmark at the time.

1024
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:13,440
I suppose we knew. Right?

1025
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:15,320
You know,

1026
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,840
I don't know what the tension was because

1027
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:22,760
did they have like how do you check,
you know, like like you think about a drum

1028
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,920
head, you can push on it
and you can check the tension on it,

1029
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,640
but something as fragile as a microphone
diaphragm.

1030
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:32,320
How do you I think they were just hand
tensioning them and

1031
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:37,040
and somehow feeling the tension on either
end of whatever film they place it on.

1032
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,040
In the early designs,
we're trying to figure out what,

1033
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,400
what what are they
cut back straight or something

1034
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:47,280
that they placed the gold onto
and it was mylar substrate.

1035
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,040
It became prop substrate.
That's the word. Right.

1036
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,600
And they would,
you know, like mylar was good

1037
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,160
and they had all these
great pop properties,

1038
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,840
but then they found out, as in the case
of the M7, that it deteriorates over time

1039
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,880
and whatever it is that AKG uses

1040
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,320
and then
and then how to screw it all together.

1041
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,080
And that's where the brass capsule
was a pain in the ass.

1042
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,880
So the nylon capsule
was like more like snap together.

1043
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:15,120
And so they refined the manufacturing
process by doing the nylon capsule.

1044
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,160
But somehow. But you still had to.

1045
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,640
They were still tuned by ear,
though, weren't they?

1046
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:21,200
I wonder if they use it like an it.

1047
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,960
Was it an oscilloscope telescope?

1048
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:25,000
Would they use that?

1049
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:26,240
I don't know how you put us.

1050
00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:28,480
You're not putting electricity
through a diaphragm.

1051
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,440
You're putting physical vibrations.
They're moving.

1052
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:32,080
Yeah, I,

1053
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,800
I think I think what they were doing is
they would make a bunch of capsules,

1054
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:37,840
hand tension them.

1055
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,360
So they probably had some sort of to tool
that would tell you the tension.

1056
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:42,920
But it's like a drum head.

1057
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,920
There's many tensions
going across a circular thing.

1058
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:50,600
So it's really kind of an art to get
consistent tension across everything.

1059
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,320
And then you got to clamp it down
at the right moment

1060
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,440
when you have it all tensioned
so a million things can go wrong.

1061
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,440
They make a bunch of capsules

1062
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,440
and they listen to them
and they chuck the ones that are bad.

1063
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:01,440
Yeah.

1064
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,520
Which is what they did with the C12
and was why

1065
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:07,280
they moved from brass to nylon,
because they have a lot of rejects.

1066
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,600
This is like a comic strip
started off as let's talk about mice and,

1067
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:12,240
you know, studio mice.

1068
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:13,080
And now all of a sudden we're

1069
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,920
sort of like back in the war, back
when I were a child.

1070
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,240
Yeah, I
when I realized, you know, it was right.

1071
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,240
War time. You know,
it wasn't like that in mind. I

1072
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:25,480
did not.

1073
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:26,880
Microphone.

1074
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,880
No. We used to live in a little box
in the middle of the road.

1075
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,160
And I think that's also why you talk a lot
about those vintage mikes

1076
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:34,360
and not all that.

1077
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,360
All vintage mics sound the same, you know.

1078
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:41,040
No, there isn't the handmade nature
of them.

1079
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:42,720
Yeah, things like that.

1080
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:46,440
It's like you buy a handmade car
and no one is the same.

1081
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,320
Yeah, that's true.
That's why I don't buy Handmade County.

1082
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,240
But there you go. Yeah,

1083
00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:55,080
well, we've gone from microphones
to what else?

1084
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:56,040
To history. Really.

1085
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,040
So they're. Yeah. History cars now. Yeah.

1086
00:50:59,040 --> 00:50:59,560
That's right.

1087
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,960
I think that if you,
if you ever do get to a Germany

1088
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,960
and you want to go and see
a really interesting museum,

1089
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,480
take a train ticket, sell
and go and check out the microtech

1090
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:10,880
officials, have you been there?

1091
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,160
Because it's got all that, you know,
but I've watched it on its own line.

1092
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:15,600
I got to go save face. Next job.

1093
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,160
He's going to become a tour guide.

1094
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:18,960
Yeah, he's he's just warming up.

1095
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:21,360
That's right.

1096
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:22,200
Well that was fun.

1097
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,480
Is it over the audio. Sweet.

1098
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:29,000
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1099
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1100
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1101
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