Jan. 19, 2026
Gear Innovation or Gear Madness?
A fascinating piece of gear quietly surfaced ahead of NAMM, and it sent us down a deep rabbit hole.
In this episode of The Pro Audio Suite, the crew digs into the Carno Sepia system, a digitally controlled, fully analog modular hardware platform that feels like a modern reimagining of the 500 series concept, minus the knobs.
We unpack how it works, who it’s really for, and whether this kind of hybrid approach is genuine innovation or just another expensive way to chase “analog purity.” Along the way, we talk NAMM expectations, Sweetwater leaks, digitally controlled analog routing, redundancy, reliability fears, scratchy pots, touring rigs, and whether DSP has already caught up anyway.
This one is equal parts curiosity, scepticism, and hard-earned industry perspective.
In this episode:
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A NAMM-bound product that surfaced early on Sweetwater
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Digitally controlled analog hardware with no physical controls
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How Carno Sepia compares to traditional 500 series systems
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Routing, redundancy, and remote control advantages
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Real-world concerns around longevity and software dependency
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Analog obsession vs modern DSP reality
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Who this gear actually makes sense for
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Why some innovation feels brilliant and ridiculous at the same time
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And welcome to another Pro Audio Suite.
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Now something quite intriguing has emerged.
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That George found on the Sweetwater website.
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And I think, we're guessing that it's going
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to be launched at NAMM.
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But they've preempted the launch.
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Would that be correct?
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Certainly seems that way.
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Because the timing of the release.
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So we were just chatting.
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We'd love to talk about NAMM and what
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we might see at NAMM.
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So I spent a little time on the
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EPK.
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Flipping through the thing.
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And of course it's 99% guitars and
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performance stuff.
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Not much in Pro Audio.
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But there was one little box that kind
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of peaked out in the Universal Audio EPK
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section.
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Not Universal Audio.
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They make a module for it.
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It was kind of confusing.
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Because you see the picture of the box.
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And there's no frame of reference for its
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size in the picture.
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So you think it's a...
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I don't know.
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What do they say?
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Do they use the bread box as a
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reference of size?
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Talk about dated.
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It's bigger than a bread box.
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No, I mean you see the thing sitting
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there.
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And you're like, it looks like a desktop
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mic preamp.
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Or a power supply to a Neumann or
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some kind of a tube mic.
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That's what it looks like.
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It looks big.
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Or even if it's a brick for your
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power supply for your preamp.
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It looks about that kind of size.
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But at first I thought it was much
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larger.
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But then when we started digging into it,
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we found the website for...
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Karno is the company.
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K-A-R-N-O dot com.
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The product line is called Sepia.
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And imagine a 500 series rack concept where
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you have a single power supply rack mount
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unit that has a large variety of modular
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units.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Check out my screen.
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Yeah.
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Here's the API module.
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Oh, nice.
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There you go.
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So basically these...
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What are we going to call them?
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Well, it's a faceless system.
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There's no physical knob controls of any kind.
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Correct.
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It's all digitally controlled through a web interface
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that Robert's playing around with right now.
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And then you're controlling analog circuitry.
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And all of those modules are in a
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rack mount.
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And then the rack mount apparently has redundant
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power supplies.
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And it has routing.
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So look at the routing.
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You pick each module and you decide what
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its input is and what its output is.
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So this rack can do some level of
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mixing, I would assume.
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Like I can assign this one to output
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one.
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And then I can go here and I
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can say also you go to output one.
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And you get input two.
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So this is acting like a mixer, it
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would appear.
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So cleverly, if you want to play with
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it right now, you can go to carno
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.com slash sepia.
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You can download.
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Or it's not even a download, right?
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It's just a web page.
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It's just a web page that shows the
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interface so you can get a feel for
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the interface.
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Obviously, I can't run any audio through it.
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But you can see all the different modules
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that people make.
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Like whatever this is, Lavasonix makes a compressor
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equalizer mic pre.
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Apparently.
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And you'd presume that everything you're looking at
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here exists in a physical analog piece of
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hardware.
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Well, I think it's one of these modules
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that you can buy to slide into your
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space, right?
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But I mean, is that an emulation of
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another piece of gear that we've never heard
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of in our entire lives?
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Or did...
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It's hard to say.
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This drummer doesn't...
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So look up the drummer DS-101.
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Is that a...
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It's not a real piece of gear.
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Is it not?
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I think what they're claiming is, because I
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saw the 1176, the UA1.
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Of these.
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And it said, basically, it was saying that
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inside the box is all the original circuitry
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or the circuitry from an 1176.
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But without any of the buttons and controls,
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that all comes up on the screen digitally.
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But the thing is, like, is it really
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all the same?
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I guess maybe it is, like, all the
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same stuff.
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It's all the same stuff without the dirty
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contacts.
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You know, noisy pots, bad switches.
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It's basically digitally controlled.
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Like, they're providing the digitally controlled platform.
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And the power supply platform in a similar
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way.
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It's like 500 series.
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But the control is computerized.
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That's right.
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And you can fit a lot more in
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a smaller space because they don't have to
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have all the knobs on the front.
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Pretty ingenious, I will say.
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Pretty ingenious.
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Because, like, a really new modernized concept on
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the 500 series concept is what this seems
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to be.
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And I wouldn't have known about it.
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Well, we're going to NAMM next week, so
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probably would have stumbled on it.
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But I wouldn't have known about it.
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But Sweetwater scooped it because they already had
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a SKU for some of that stuff on
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their site.
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Some of the stuff doesn't look totally useful.
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I can't click on these gain reduction...
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But you'll be at NAMM when this goes
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out.
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So you can go and check one out
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while you're there.
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I definitely will, you know, get in line
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and poke around with them.
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I mean, they must make a plug-in
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for these so that you can then put
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it in your DAW and automate the thing
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from the plug-in.
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That's their whole shtick is that it's from
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anywhere to anywhere.
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So you can route audio in and out,
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you know.
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So they must have their own internal routing
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set up or it just acts as a
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plug-in?
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Well, they have their own internal routing in
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and out, which is fine.
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So the questions I have is, number one,
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fine, it's analog, but do they have a
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digital in and out like USB or at
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least Dante?
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If they were really smart, it'd be Dante.
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Or who knows, you know, MADI or ADAT
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Optical maybe.
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But some way of getting it in and
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out of your computer, you know, the smart
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one would also be some sort of USB
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thing to get it to and from.
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What you'd really like to do is drop
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these as inserts as like AUVST, you know,
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AUVST AAX plug-ins.
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So this module here, even though it presents
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itself here in their interface, really you want
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this to be in your DAW so that
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you can automate it.
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Right.
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So, you know, it's fun.
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Here's a fun exercise in Sweetwater.
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Type in 1176, you know, just in the
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search, right?
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And it's got to be one of the
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most popularly emulated, copied, or, you know, digitally
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emulated compressors of all time, right?
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And there's tons of them.
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And the price range starts at $29.
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For a plug-in.
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For an AAX plug-in.
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For like $4,000.
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From UA to the real thing, you know,
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from Universal themselves.
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For roughly three, yeah, what is it, three
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grand?
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Three grand for the real deal.
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But go get yourself an original one for
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$5,000.
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So I guess the question I would have
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is, does this sound like the original one
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or does it sound like the 1176LN, which
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is, you know, the modern version of the
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original?
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Yeah, I'd say.
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Like, probably more like the LN.
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Is it going to have the mode where
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you can smash all the buttons down at
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the same time?
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Well, that's what I was trying to tell
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here, and you can't even get to any
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of the buttons, right?
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Like, I'm like, I can't get to any
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of the.
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Oh, yeah, it goes to that, yeah.
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Because some of the plug-ins have an
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all button, others let you shift select these.
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So this thing, the module itself, just the
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module.
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So you still have to get the Carno
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Cepia rack mount, which I don't know what
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that costs.
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The module's two grand.
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Jeez, okay.
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So you can tell who this is for.
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Yeah, yeah.
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But if it's the real deal and you're
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paying, what, three or four thousand for a
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new.
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With the faceplate knobs, the whole thing, you
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know, physical, two rack space.
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Except this gives you all the benefits and
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all the frailties of digital, which is this
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company goes out of business, some computer operating
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system updates and you can't use it, and
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all of a sudden you lost the entire
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front end to your $2,000 compressor.
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Yeah, it is concerning.
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And on the other hand, you never have
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to clean another pot in your entire life.
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That's true.
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That's right.
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There's no more scratchy pots and contacts to
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clean.
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And I can control your preamp from here.
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So that's kind of fun.
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I know I shouldn't say this, and I'm
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going to regret it as soon as I
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say it, but of all the gear I've
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got here, I've never had a scratchy pot.
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I would say that's because you buy good
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stuff.
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I can't say the same, but I smoke
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a lot in the presence of my gear.
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Okay, well, that's part of the problem.
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Yeah, that doesn't help.
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Your environment is part of it.
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If you're not too terribly close to seawater,
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it's not too salty.
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I am very close to seawater.
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Well, that's pretty amazing that you haven't had
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that issue.
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But it is also the quality of the
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gear, like silver contacts.
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Or just the sealed pots versus the not
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sealed pots.
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Right, sealed pots.
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Like your typical Mackie mixer that a lot
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of people, I mean, how many people have
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not touched a Mackie?
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That's like their number one Achilles heel.
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Yeah, if you don't use them, they will
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start getting scratchy just from not being used.
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Because usually the way you make it not
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scratchy is just go like this.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, well, I call it exercising.
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Or jokingly, exorcising.
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You can spray the contact cleaner in there
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while you're doing it.
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Just twisting and exercising the knob back and
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forth, plugging the quarter inches in and out,
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you know.
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Yeah.
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Just burnishing all the contact.
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I'm sorry, like side thing, but these transient
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designers, isn't this just like expander compressor?
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It's new, it's a transient designer.
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No, it's not.
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Yeah.
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Well, I'm curious to see if you two
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actually do get to check it out at
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NAMM and just have a look and see
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what it looks like in the flesh.
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I'll poke and prod at it and I'll
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put on headphones and I'll go.
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Yeah.
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Sounds pretty good.
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Amazing.
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I would imagine they'll have like, you know,
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the real one, then this one, then a
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DSP one, you know, and you can come
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play.
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Because UA did that several years ago.
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They had this really universal audio, really splashes
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out at NAMM.
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Right, Robert?
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Yes, they do.
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I mean, they have like people line up
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for their shows.
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Because they build a set.
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Yeah.
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A set sometimes with multiple sets, multiple, you
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know, rooms.
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They have actors, people in models, people in
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costume.
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They have like, it goes on and on.
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It is insane what they put at their
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shows.
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But they did have the rig one year
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where you could compare a real LA-2A
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or real 1176 with the UAD stuff, you
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know.
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And then at the end of this four
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-unit test, they would quiz you.
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And the better your score, the better the
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prize you got.
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I think I got three out of four.
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You could tell the difference.
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I guess so.
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I got three out of four.
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I mean, or I just was a good
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guesser.
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Well, each time you had a 50-50
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chance, right?
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Right.
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Yeah, you should go to Vegas.
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Probability.
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Exactly.
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Yeah, you were in front.
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Yeah, so there's something to look at.
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Plus the usual, finding some new microphone we
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hadn't seen before.
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Yeah.
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I just saw that Peluso's releasing a –
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The P-24, the C-24.
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The C-24.
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Yeah, which is a stereo version of the
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C-12.
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Yeah, that's really cool.
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The originals are very cool.
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And very desirable.
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And very expensive.
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Very expensive.
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Yes.
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Yeah, I don't think I'll be getting one
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of those for Christmas.
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So Peluso, that's a big swing for Peluso.
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Small company in Virginia.
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Not too far from where I went to
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Virginia Tech, actually.
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Yeah.
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So, yeah.
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So it'll be some fun things to prod
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around with.
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But that one came out of left field
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right there.
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I had no idea.
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This is something actually new.
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Yeah.
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That truly is something new.
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I mean, it is, but it is another
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compressor.
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It really is.
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How much has audio tech not changed since,
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I don't know, the 40s or the 60s?
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This is for a very well-heeled touring
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show who has the budget to build out
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a rack and have this level of gear
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on the road.
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This is for producers that want to have
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an analog setup and they don't want to
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deal with...
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Producers, touring.
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Yeah, touring acts.
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You know, where the lead singer is like,
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this is my rig.
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I won't go anywhere without it.
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And the engineers are rolling their eyes because
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now they have to have a road rack
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full of crap just for the lead singer.
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Now they can have it all in a
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single rack space.
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Digitally controlled, yeah.
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But I can also see it just for
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the producers that, you know, like, I'm not
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going to use a digital emulation of something.
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I'm going to use an analog emulation of
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it.
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Truth be told, I think it's freaking ridiculous.
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Yeah.
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Because DSP is pretty good.
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Yeah.
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But, you know, I mean, this is a
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whole other level of production where the money
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is there and the...
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Do you know who needs to get into
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audio?
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Who's that company that made a brick and
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made it worth like $10,000 because Supreme?
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You know Supreme?
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Oh, the designer Supreme.
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Yeah.
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They just need to get into audio.
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I mean, they could make a fucking killing.
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Did they have a brick branded Supreme and
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they sold it for 10 grand?
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I forget how much, but it was ridiculous.
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It was literally just a brick with their
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name on it and they sold the crap
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out of them.
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I mean, you can just have a brick
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from my backyard.
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Like I go digging in my garden and
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there's more of them than I want.
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And yeah, they made bricks.
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Like, I don't know if it was $10
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,000, but it was whatever it was.
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It was astronomical for what a brick is.
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It was just a social experiment.
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Can we take something that's worth utterly nothing?
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And make it worth...
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Brand it with our branding and make it
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worth something.
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Well, let me tell you, I don't know
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if anyone's old enough here, but there used
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to be a thing called Pet Rocks.
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Sure.
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I rest my case.
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People bought them by the truckload.
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Yeah.
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I mean, you name it.
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Beanie Babies, like it's happened so many times.
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But I think if Supreme made a compressor
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and went, we're only going to make 10
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of them.
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Right.
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And it's the best.
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And like fucking $20,000.
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Yeah, that's right.
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On that note.
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We just don't talk.
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To get $200 off your Tribooth.
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Now something quite intriguing has emerged.
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That George found on the Sweetwater website.
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to be launched at NAMM.
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But they've preempted the launch.
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Would that be correct?
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Certainly seems that way.
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Because the timing of the release.
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So we were just chatting.
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We'd love to talk about NAMM and what
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we might see at NAMM.
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So I spent a little time on the
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EPK.
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Flipping through the thing.
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And of course it's 99% guitars and
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performance stuff.
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Not much in Pro Audio.
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But there was one little box that kind
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of peaked out in the Universal Audio EPK
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section.
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Not Universal Audio.
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They make a module for it.
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It was kind of confusing.
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Because you see the picture of the box.
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size in the picture.
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So you think it's a...
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I don't know.
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What do they say?
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Do they use the bread box as a
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reference of size?
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Talk about dated.
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It's bigger than a bread box.
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No, I mean you see the thing sitting
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mic preamp.
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Or a power supply to a Neumann or
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some kind of a tube mic.
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That's what it looks like.
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It looks big.
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power supply for your preamp.
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It looks about that kind of size.
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larger.
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But then when we started digging into it,
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we found the website for...
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Karno is the company.
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K-A-R-N-O dot com.
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The product line is called Sepia.
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you have a single power supply rack mount
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unit that has a large variety of modular
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units.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Check out my screen.
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Here's the API module.
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There you go.
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So basically these...
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What are we going to call them?
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Well, it's a faceless system.
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There's no physical knob controls of any kind.
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It's all digitally controlled through a web interface
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that Robert's playing around with right now.
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rack mount.
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power supplies.
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And it has routing.
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So look at the routing.
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its input is and what its output is.
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mixing, I would assume.
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Like I can assign this one to output
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one.
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can say also you go to output one.
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So cleverly, if you want to play with
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it right now, you can go to carno
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.com slash sepia.
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You can download.
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Or it's not even a download, right?
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It's just a web page.
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It's just a web page that shows the
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interface so you can get a feel for
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the interface.
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Obviously, I can't run any audio through it.
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that people make.
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equalizer mic pre.
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Apparently.
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here exists in a physical analog piece of
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hardware.
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that you can buy to slide into your
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space, right?
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But I mean, is that an emulation of
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another piece of gear that we've never heard
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of in our entire lives?
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Or did...
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It's hard to say.
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This drummer doesn't...
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So look up the drummer DS-101.
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Is that a...
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It's not a real piece of gear.
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Is it not?
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I think what they're claiming is, because I
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saw the 1176, the UA1.
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Of these.
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And it said, basically, it was saying that
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inside the box is all the original circuitry
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or the circuitry from an 1176.
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But without any of the buttons and controls,
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that all comes up on the screen digitally.
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But the thing is, like, is it really
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all the same?
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I guess maybe it is, like, all the
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same stuff.
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But at some point...
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It's all the same stuff without the dirty
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contacts.
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You know, noisy pots, bad switches.
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It's basically digitally controlled.
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Like, they're providing the digitally controlled platform.
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It's like 500 series.
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But the control is computerized.
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That's right.
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a smaller space because they don't have to
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have all the knobs on the front.
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Pretty ingenious, I will say.
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Pretty ingenious.
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the 500 series concept is what this seems
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to be.
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And I wouldn't have known about it.
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Well, we're going to NAMM next week, so
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probably would have stumbled on it.
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But I wouldn't have known about it.
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But Sweetwater scooped it because they already had
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a SKU for some of that stuff on
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their site.
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Some of the stuff doesn't look totally useful.
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I can't click on these gain reduction...
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But you'll be at NAMM when this goes
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while you're there.
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I definitely will, you know, get in line
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and poke around with them.
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I mean, they must make a plug-in
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for these so that you can then put
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it in your DAW and automate the thing
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from the plug-in.
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That's their whole shtick is that it's from
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anywhere to anywhere.
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So you can route audio in and out,
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you know.
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set up or it just acts as a
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plug-in?
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and out, which is fine.
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So the questions I have is, number one,
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fine, it's analog, but do they have a
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digital in and out like USB or at
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least Dante?
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Or who knows, you know, MADI or ADAT
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Optical maybe.
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out of your computer, you know, the smart
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thing to get it to and from.
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What you'd really like to do is drop
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these as inserts as like AUVST, you know,
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AUVST AAX plug-ins.
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So this module here, even though it presents
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itself here in their interface, really you want
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this to be in your DAW so that
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you can automate it.
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So, you know, it's fun.
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Here's a fun exercise in Sweetwater.
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Type in 1176, you know, just in the
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search, right?
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And it's got to be one of the
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most popularly emulated, copied, or, you know, digitally
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emulated compressors of all time, right?
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And there's tons of them.
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And the price range starts at $29.
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For a plug-in.
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For an AAX plug-in.
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For like $4,000.
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From UA to the real thing, you know,
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from Universal themselves.
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For roughly three, yeah, what is it, three
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grand?
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Three grand for the real deal.
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But go get yourself an original one for
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$5,000.
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So I guess the question I would have
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is, does this sound like the original one
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or does it sound like the 1176LN, which
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is, you know, the modern version of the
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original?
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Yeah, I'd say.
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Like, probably more like the LN.
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Is it going to have the mode where
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you can smash all the buttons down at
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the same time?
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Well, that's what I was trying to tell
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here, and you can't even get to any
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of the buttons, right?
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Like, I'm like, I can't get to any
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of the.
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Oh, yeah, it goes to that, yeah.
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Because some of the plug-ins have an
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all button, others let you shift select these.
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So this thing, the module itself, just the
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module.
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So you still have to get the Carno
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Cepia rack mount, which I don't know what
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that costs.
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The module's two grand.
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Jeez, okay.
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So you can tell who this is for.
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Yeah, yeah.
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But if it's the real deal and you're
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paying, what, three or four thousand for a
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new.
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With the faceplate knobs, the whole thing, you
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know, physical, two rack space.
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Except this gives you all the benefits and
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all the frailties of digital, which is this
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company goes out of business, some computer operating
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system updates and you can't use it, and
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all of a sudden you lost the entire
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front end to your $2,000 compressor.
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Yeah, it is concerning.
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And on the other hand, you never have
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to clean another pot in your entire life.
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That's true.
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That's right.
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There's no more scratchy pots and contacts to
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clean.
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And I can control your preamp from here.
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So that's kind of fun.
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I know I shouldn't say this, and I'm
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going to regret it as soon as I
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say it, but of all the gear I've
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got here, I've never had a scratchy pot.
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I would say that's because you buy good
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stuff.
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I can't say the same, but I smoke
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a lot in the presence of my gear.
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Okay, well, that's part of the problem.
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Yeah, that doesn't help.
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Your environment is part of it.
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If you're not too terribly close to seawater,
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it's not too salty.
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I am very close to seawater.
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Well, that's pretty amazing that you haven't had
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that issue.
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But it is also the quality of the
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gear, like silver contacts.
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Or just the sealed pots versus the not
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sealed pots.
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Right, sealed pots.
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Like your typical Mackie mixer that a lot
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of people, I mean, how many people have
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not touched a Mackie?
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That's like their number one Achilles heel.
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Yeah, if you don't use them, they will
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start getting scratchy just from not being used.
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Because usually the way you make it not
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scratchy is just go like this.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, well, I call it exercising.
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Or jokingly, exorcising.
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You can spray the contact cleaner in there
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while you're doing it.
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Just twisting and exercising the knob back and
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forth, plugging the quarter inches in and out,
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you know.
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Yeah.
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Just burnishing all the contact.
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I'm sorry, like side thing, but these transient
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designers, isn't this just like expander compressor?
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It's new, it's a transient designer.
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No, it's not.
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Yeah.
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Well, I'm curious to see if you two
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actually do get to check it out at
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NAMM and just have a look and see
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what it looks like in the flesh.
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I'll poke and prod at it and I'll
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put on headphones and I'll go.
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Yeah.
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Sounds pretty good.
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Amazing.
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I would imagine they'll have like, you know,
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the real one, then this one, then a
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DSP one, you know, and you can come
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play.
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Because UA did that several years ago.
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They had this really universal audio, really splashes
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out at NAMM.
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Right, Robert?
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Yes, they do.
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I mean, they have like people line up
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for their shows.
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Because they build a set.
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Yeah.
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A set sometimes with multiple sets, multiple, you
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know, rooms.
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They have actors, people in models, people in
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costume.
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They have like, it goes on and on.
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It is insane what they put at their
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shows.
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But they did have the rig one year
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where you could compare a real LA-2A
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or real 1176 with the UAD stuff, you
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know.
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And then at the end of this four
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-unit test, they would quiz you.
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And the better your score, the better the
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prize you got.
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I think I got three out of four.
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You could tell the difference.
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I guess so.
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I got three out of four.
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I mean, or I just was a good
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guesser.
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Well, each time you had a 50-50
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chance, right?
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Right.
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Yeah, you should go to Vegas.
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Probability.
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Exactly.
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Yeah, you were in front.
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Yeah, so there's something to look at.
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Plus the usual, finding some new microphone we
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hadn't seen before.
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Yeah.
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I just saw that Peluso's releasing a –
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The P-24, the C-24.
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The C-24.
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Yeah, which is a stereo version of the
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C-12.
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Yeah, that's really cool.
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The originals are very cool.
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And very desirable.
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And very expensive.
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Very expensive.
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Yes.
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Yeah, I don't think I'll be getting one
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of those for Christmas.
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So Peluso, that's a big swing for Peluso.
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Small company in Virginia.
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Not too far from where I went to
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Virginia Tech, actually.
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Yeah.
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So, yeah.
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So it'll be some fun things to prod
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around with.
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But that one came out of left field
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right there.
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I had no idea.
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This is something actually new.
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Yeah.
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That truly is something new.
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I mean, it is, but it is another
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compressor.
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It really is.
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How much has audio tech not changed since,
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I don't know, the 40s or the 60s?
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This is for a very well-heeled touring
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show who has the budget to build out
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a rack and have this level of gear
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on the road.
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This is for producers that want to have
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an analog setup and they don't want to
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deal with...
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Producers, touring.
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Yeah, touring acts.
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You know, where the lead singer is like,
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this is my rig.
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I won't go anywhere without it.
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And the engineers are rolling their eyes because
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now they have to have a road rack
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full of crap just for the lead singer.
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Now they can have it all in a
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single rack space.
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Digitally controlled, yeah.
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But I can also see it just for
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the producers that, you know, like, I'm not
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going to use a digital emulation of something.
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I'm going to use an analog emulation of
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it.
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Truth be told, I think it's freaking ridiculous.
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Yeah.
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Because DSP is pretty good.
472
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Yeah.
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But, you know, I mean, this is a
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whole other level of production where the money
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is there and the...
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Do you know who needs to get into
477
00:14:03,100 --> 00:14:03,380
audio?
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Who's that company that made a brick and
479
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made it worth like $10,000 because Supreme?
480
00:14:09,580 --> 00:14:10,120
You know Supreme?
481
00:14:10,820 --> 00:14:12,180
Oh, the designer Supreme.
482
00:14:12,680 --> 00:14:12,900
Yeah.
483
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They just need to get into audio.
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I mean, they could make a fucking killing.
485
00:14:18,020 --> 00:14:20,440
Did they have a brick branded Supreme and
486
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they sold it for 10 grand?
487
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I forget how much, but it was ridiculous.
488
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It was literally just a brick with their
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name on it and they sold the crap
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out of them.
491
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I mean, you can just have a brick
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from my backyard.
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Like I go digging in my garden and
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there's more of them than I want.
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And yeah, they made bricks.
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00:14:36,700 --> 00:14:37,720
Like, I don't know if it was $10
497
00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:39,880
,000, but it was whatever it was.
498
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It was astronomical for what a brick is.
499
00:14:42,860 --> 00:14:44,920
It was just a social experiment.
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00:14:45,660 --> 00:14:48,540
Can we take something that's worth utterly nothing?
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And make it worth...
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Brand it with our branding and make it
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worth something.
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00:14:51,660 --> 00:14:53,760
Well, let me tell you, I don't know
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if anyone's old enough here, but there used
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to be a thing called Pet Rocks.
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Sure.
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I rest my case.
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People bought them by the truckload.
510
00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:06,300
Yeah.
511
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I mean, you name it.
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00:15:09,020 --> 00:15:11,760
Beanie Babies, like it's happened so many times.
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But I think if Supreme made a compressor
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and went, we're only going to make 10
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of them.
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Right.
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And it's the best.
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And like fucking $20,000.
519
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Yeah, that's right.
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On that note.
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We just don't talk.
