Feb. 16, 2026
Fixing Loopback the Easy Way, Nexus Suite Explained
Loopback is one of the most common and misunderstood problems in home studios.
In this episode of The Pro Audio Suite, the team breaks down how the new Nexus Suite, specifically Nexus Review, makes it dramatically easier to capture system audio, create proper mix-minus setups, and send playback to clients without complicated routing.
If you have ever wrestled with UA Console routing, virtual drivers, Chrome output quirks, or Mac system audio conflicts, this one is for you.
We cover:
• Why traditional loopback setups get messy fast
• The UA console routing method and its limitations
• How Nexus Review captures system audio automatically
• Why this eliminates feedback loops
• Whether you still need an Apollo
• Chrome finally fixing its output bug
• What this means for USB interfaces and simpler setups
If you are podcasting, live streaming, directing voice talent, or running remote sessions, this episode will save you time and headaches.
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(Transcribed by TurboScribe.ai. Go Unlimited to remove this message.) Y'all ready to be history?
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Get started.
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Welcome.
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Hi.
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Hi.
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Hi.
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Here we go.
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So, welcome to another Pro Audio Suite.
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Thanks, Robert.
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You got the credits.
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What about the credits?
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Yeah, come on.
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Welcome, PAP200, Austrian Audio, and Triboo.
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There you go.
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Nailed it.
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Don't try putting PAP200 into Austrian Audio, though,
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because you won't get anything.
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T-R-I-P-A-P-200.
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There you go.
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Not with Austrian Audio.
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It's Triboo.
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Nice try.
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So, thou hast been busy, art, thee.
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We, we, we, we.
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If only people had been here at the
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beginning of the show, they might understand what
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that was all about, but, you know.
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That's right.
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That's a long conversation.
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Yeah, I was doing a little tech support
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for someone who was using a UA interface
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with George's website.
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retying of the UA knot, where he takes
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the aux 1 and 2, sends off the
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UA mixer, and makes them inputs 1 and
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2 for the overall UA interface with respect
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to any other software.
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We gut it.
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We gut all the wiring.
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Yeah, you just plug everything in different places
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inside the UA console.
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And then he uses the virtuals of UA,
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the virtual drivers of UA, to return the
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DAW separately from the MAC, and that's great,
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because now you can have playback.
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You can return the DAW back to two
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channels, and send those two channels to aux
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1 and 2 off the UA mixer, which
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then basically feeds playback back to your clients.
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That's the loopback thing everybody's always asking me.
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Can you set up loopback?
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How can I do a loopback?
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I need a, you know, blah, blah, blah.
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But this user was doing podcasts, and he
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wanted to play back his overall desktop audio.
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coming out, had to go back down the
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line.
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based on system sound, right?
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know, you have Chrome, Zoom, etc.
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use virtual 3, 4.
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The return of the Google Meet, and there's
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say, okay, fine, I'm going to return the
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The problem always is that Zoom, whoever it
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is, is coming back the same place that
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So I said, you know, you're going to
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need Nexus for this.
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And all the things that Nexus does specifically,
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all he really needed was Nexus Review, which
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is this standalone app.
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an option to capture the system audio.
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your system audio is, in this case it
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was UA, and it says, nope, I'm going
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to send it to this Nexus system audio
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device.
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Now it's got it.
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And then Nexus Review says, what was your
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system output?
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Oh, it was the UA.
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I'll make my output the UA.
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So now everything is returning to the UA,
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but the system is playing back through the
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system audio Nexus device, and we can blend
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that into the input of where your talkback
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is also inputting to.
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So Nexus Review can grab your talkback mic,
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it can grab your system audio, send it
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to an input, and that input doesn't have
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your output from the UA in it, and
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therefore you don't have the...
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monitor mixer, with a mix minus built into
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Yes, that's exactly right.
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Sneaky.
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That's pretty cool.
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grabs your system audio.
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your system audio back to wherever it was
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originally going to.
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folks that once...
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so it's always loading and it's always there?
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only when they need it?
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You could literally set it in the application's
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auto-boot in your system setup.
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it there and then everything goes through there.
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you get a separate fader for your client
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return, for your talkback, your return to the
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Mac, and it has a separate input for
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a broadcast send.
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Mac capture and a separate output.
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You could output your DAW to it.
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it always running.
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I mean, that's what I do.
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I have a much more massive version of
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this going on.
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I don't know if you guys have ever
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seen my screen.
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But instead of just having the simple Nexus
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review, which really is just a set of
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routes, I use router.
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will notice...
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Wait, out of my way.
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But you will notice that's my router setup.
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So there's a lot more going on there.
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meters.
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He's got a screen full of meters.
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input and an output.
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And as you talk, you see it bouncing.
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Oh, okay, cool.
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So this has all my...
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From the clients to the clients, from the
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chat to the chat.
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It's sort of a very big version of
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the same idea.
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This little Nexus review thing doesn't quite do
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what I want.
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I want to go nuts.
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Have fun.
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Go nuts.
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So we're getting steps.
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We're getting further away from having to be...
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Needing to have an Apollo to do more
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complicated routing, playback loops, et cetera.
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You could have a Scarlett 2i2 Nexus review,
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right?
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The whole thing about the Apollo, I think,
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more than the routing that it does, is
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the absolute perfect real-time monitoring and with
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plugins.
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If you want to have that emulation of
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the manly and you want to run it
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in real-time and you want your input
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to be cooked into the DAW with that
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processing, baked into it, that's where the Apollo
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truly, truly shines.
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Does Nexus review support plugins in its own
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right?
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Not yet.
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That's something it might do in the future.
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But even if it does, it's native.
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You're always going to have that tiny...
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There's latency.
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Latency.
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The latency that the kids don't care about,
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but all of us do, right?
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All the kids are used to it.
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The little microscopic latency that just sounds like,
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is there two of me?
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I think.
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I don't know.
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It's not enough to throw you off musically,
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but it's just enough to be a slightly
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weird reverb or not even that.
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it's software and the Apollo is hardware.
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Well, tangentially related, but I did notice that
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there was a change that just sort of
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appeared out of the blue on Chrome on
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my Mac.
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It used to be that no matter what
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the output in Chrome was assigned to, for
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example, when you're in a Google Meet, you
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can choose what your input and your output
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is.
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But no matter what I said it was
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set to in the Google Meet output, it
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was using Mac system.
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I couldn't separate the two from each other.
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That's a bug.
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Now that works.
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Really?
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It just works now.
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So as a long last, when I play
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something back on a web browser, you guys
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can hear it on my playback fader.
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Because you can output Meet to a different
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output than your Mac.
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have the chat channel, which if you were
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using, for example, if you were using a
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Passport VO, that would be the comms channel
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assigned to our conversation here.
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set to main, which is really just the
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output of the Rodecaster, the main mix.
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stuff we're talking about.
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channels, would not allow me to play anything
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output to a different output than the Mac
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system audio on Chrome.
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I think, well, it could have been Meet,
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because it's the only thing I ever use
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with it.
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where everybody's talking, and the playbacks from something
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inputs.
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That used to not be possible on Mac,
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but now apparently it is, too.
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That's changed in the last couple of years.
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have five applications open, and you would have
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a volume slider for each application.
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And that was actually...
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or Wasabi drivers, not ASIO, for example.
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But with Mac, if you wanted to change
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the volume of, say, iTunes, you had to
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go to iTunes and change the volume.
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There wasn't just a...
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And then that's where...
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that kind of somehow gets into it.
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Loopback.
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It's audio...
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It's Rogue Amoeba, but I don't think it's
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Loopback.
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It's one of their other...
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It's one of their other...
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It's one of their other thing, or AnyRecordAll,
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or AnyRecord...
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I don't remember the name.
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It's one of their apps, and it lets
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you see all your different apps and have
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a volume slider for each one, which is
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very Windows-esque.
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So to wrap it all up, I guess
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I would say that the new Nexus...
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Say the name of it again?
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It's Nexus Suite.
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So Nexus used to be just this plug
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-in, and now it's a suite of plug
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-ins and desktop software.
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What does the user...
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If the user wants to recreate what we
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did, or what you did for John, what
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do they need?
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They just need to use Nexus Review, the
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standalone app, and when they launch it, they
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just kind of go into the preferences and
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turn on the system audio capture, and when
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they do that, it's done.
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It's going to grab their system audio, and
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it's going to send it to the broadcast,
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and they can click the option to send
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their talk back to the broadcast, because all
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these apps only have one input.
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And so the only tweak is that instead
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of whatever it is, Google Meet, Zoom, et
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cetera, instead of making your mic the input,
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you make the Nexus broadcast the input, and
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that will include playback and your microphone.
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So now you don't need to have a
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roadcaster, or an Apollo, or any of these
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fancy interfaces.
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You can just have a really basic interface,
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or even a USB mic, I guess.
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your clients, not just...
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So if you're using, say, Twisted Wave...
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I think live streamers will really like that.
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Or Audacity, et cetera.
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I do realize you can do Twisted Wave
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with your...
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No, it's still the problem with the general
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chat rooms, where you return them.
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Speaking of Twisted Wave, I have a whole
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nother topic.
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We should spin off into another episode about
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Twisted Wave, because they've released some new features.
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Oh, I saw your little update on that.
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Well, let's...
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What did they do?
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Oh, we'll find out next week.
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That's right.
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A tease.
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Yeah.
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It's very professional of us.
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Well, that was fun.
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Is it over?
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The Pro Audio Suite.
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And Austrian Audio.
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Edited by Andrew Peters.
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And mixed by Robbo.
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Got your own audio suite.
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Hello everyone.
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To the Pro Audio Suite.
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Here we go.
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So, welcome to another Pro Audio Suite.
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Thanks, Robert.
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You got the credits.
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What about the credits?
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Yeah, come on.
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Welcome, PAP200, Austrian Audio, and Triboo.
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There you go.
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Nailed it.
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Don't try putting PAP200 into Austrian Audio, though,
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because you won't get anything.
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T-R-I-P-A-P-200.
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Yeah.
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There you go.
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Not with Austrian Audio.
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It's Triboo.
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Nice try.
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So, thou hast been busy, art, thee.
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We, we, we, we.
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If only people had been here at the
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beginning of the show, they might understand what
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that was all about, but, you know.
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That's right.
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That's a long conversation.
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Yeah, I was doing a little tech support
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for someone who was using a UA interface
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with George's website.
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retying of the UA knot, where he takes
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the aux 1 and 2, sends off the
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UA mixer, and makes them inputs 1 and
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2 for the overall UA interface with respect
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to any other software.
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We gut it.
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We gut all the wiring.
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inside the UA console.
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the virtual drivers of UA, to return the
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DAW separately from the MAC, and that's great,
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because now you can have playback.
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You can return the DAW back to two
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channels, and send those two channels to aux
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1 and 2 off the UA mixer, which
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then basically feeds playback back to your clients.
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Done.
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That's the loopback thing everybody's always asking me.
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Can you set up loopback?
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How can I do a loopback?
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I need a, you know, blah, blah, blah.
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coming out, had to go back down the
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based on system sound, right?
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The return of the Google Meet, and there's
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say, okay, fine, I'm going to return the
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MAC output 1 and 2 instead of 3
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need Nexus for this.
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all he really needed was Nexus Review, which
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is this standalone app.
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an option to capture the system audio.
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was UA, and it says, nope, I'm going
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to send it to this Nexus system audio
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device.
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Now it's got it.
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system output?
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I'll make my output the UA.
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system audio Nexus device, and we can blend
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that into the input of where your talkback
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it can grab your system audio, send it
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your output from the UA in it, and
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therefore you don't have the...
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monitor mixer, with a mix minus built into
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Yes, that's exactly right.
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Sneaky.
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That's pretty cool.
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grabs your system audio.
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your system audio back to wherever it was
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What do you recommend for a lot of
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folks that once...
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so it's always loading and it's always there?
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only when they need it?
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return, for your talkback, your return to the
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Mac, and it has a separate input for
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a broadcast send.
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Mac capture and a separate output.
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You could output your DAW to it.
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I have a much more massive version of
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this going on.
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seen my screen.
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review, which really is just a set of
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routes, I use router.
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input and an output.
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Oh, okay, cool.
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So this has all my...
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chat to the chat.
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the same idea.
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This little Nexus review thing doesn't quite do
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what I want.
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I want to go nuts.
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Have fun.
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So we're getting steps.
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We're getting further away from having to be...
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Needing to have an Apollo to do more
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complicated routing, playback loops, et cetera.
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You could have a Scarlett 2i2 Nexus review,
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more than the routing that it does, is
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the absolute perfect real-time monitoring and with
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plugins.
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the manly and you want to run it
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in real-time and you want your input
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to be cooked into the DAW with that
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processing, baked into it, that's where the Apollo
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truly, truly shines.
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Does Nexus review support plugins in its own
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That's something it might do in the future.
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You're always going to have that tiny...
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Latency.
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The latency that the kids don't care about,
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but all of us do, right?
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All the kids are used to it.
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The little microscopic latency that just sounds like,
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is there two of me?
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I don't know.
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It's not enough to throw you off musically,
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but it's just enough to be a slightly
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weird reverb or not even that.
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it's software and the Apollo is hardware.
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there was a change that just sort of
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appeared out of the blue on Chrome on
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the output in Chrome was assigned to, for
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example, when you're in a Google Meet, you
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can choose what your input and your output
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set to in the Google Meet output, it
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was using Mac system.
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I couldn't separate the two from each other.
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That's a bug.
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Now that works.
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It just works now.
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So as a long last, when I play
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something back on a web browser, you guys
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can hear it on my playback fader.
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output than your Mac.
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Yeah, because I'm using a Rodecaster, but I
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have the chat channel, which if you were
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Passport VO, that would be the comms channel
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assigned to our conversation here.
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set to main, which is really just the
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output of the Rodecaster, the main mix.
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come in on a different set of channels.
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stuff we're talking about.
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That's happening inside the mixer of the Rodecaster.
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not be independent from Mac's system sound output
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channels, would not allow me to play anything
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back from Mac system.
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output to a different output than the Mac
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system audio on Chrome.
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Yeah, it was just a Chrome problem.
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didn't have that problem.
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Is this just a Meet problem?
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Google Meet?
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No, I think it was Chrome.
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I think, well, it could have been Meet,
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because it's the only thing I ever use
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with it.
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Yeah, because Nexus Gateway didn't have that issue.
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You could pick your speaker output, and it
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would go there.
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That's what Nexus Gateway relies on.
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Chat.
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Finally, it's getting better and easier for people
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to do these separate mixes.
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that are like a mind meld between the
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sound driver and the mixer.
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want to have the output of the game,
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and the output of the Discord chat room
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where everybody's talking, and the playbacks from something
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else.
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inputs.
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And it's all happening on the monitor application
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of the...
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That used to not be possible on Mac,
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but now apparently it is, too.
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That's changed in the last couple of years.
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You can only do that on Windows for
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a long time.
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Windows gave you an audio mixer.
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have five applications open, and you would have
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a volume slider for each application.
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You'd have Chrome.
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I don't know.
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And that was actually...
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I think that was specifically for the Windows
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or Wasabi drivers, not ASIO, for example.
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But with Mac, if you wanted to change
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the volume of, say, iTunes, you had to
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go to iTunes and change the volume.
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There wasn't just a...
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And then that's where...
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Was it Rogue Amoeba?
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that kind of somehow gets into it.
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Loopback.
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I don't think it's Loop...
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It's audio...
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It's Rogue Amoeba, but I don't think it's
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Loopback.
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It's one of their other...
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It's one of their other...
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It's one of their other thing, or AnyRecordAll,
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or AnyRecord...
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I don't remember the name.
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It's one of their apps, and it lets
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you see all your different apps and have
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a volume slider for each one, which is
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very Windows-esque.
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So to wrap it all up, I guess
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I would say that the new Nexus...
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Say the name of it again?
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It's Nexus Suite.
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So Nexus used to be just this plug
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-in, and now it's a suite of plug
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-ins and desktop software.
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What does the user...
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If the user wants to recreate what we
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did, or what you did for John, what
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do they need?
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They just need to use Nexus Review, the
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standalone app, and when they launch it, they
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just kind of go into the preferences and
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turn on the system audio capture, and when
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they do that, it's done.
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It's going to grab their system audio, and
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it's going to send it to the broadcast,
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and they can click the option to send
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their talk back to the broadcast, because all
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these apps only have one input.
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And so the only tweak is that instead
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of whatever it is, Google Meet, Zoom, et
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cetera, instead of making your mic the input,
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you make the Nexus broadcast the input, and
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that will include playback and your microphone.
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Cool.
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So now you don't need to have a
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roadcaster, or an Apollo, or any of these
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fancy interfaces.
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You can just have a really basic interface,
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or even a USB mic, I guess.
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your clients, not just...
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So if you're using, say, Twisted Wave...
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I think live streamers will really like that.
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Yeah.
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Or Audacity, et cetera.
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I do realize you can do Twisted Wave
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with your...
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Can you?
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No, it's still the problem with the general
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chat rooms, where you return them.
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Speaking of Twisted Wave, I have a whole
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nother topic.
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We should spin off into another episode about
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Twisted Wave, because they've released some new features.
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Oh, I saw your little update on that.
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Okay.
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Well, let's...
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What did they do?
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Oh, we'll find out next week.
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That's right.
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A tease.
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Yeah.
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It's very professional of us.
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Well, that was fun.
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Is it over?
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The Pro Audio Suite.
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With thanks to Tribush.
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And Austrian Audio.
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Recorded using SourceConnect.
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Edited by Andrew Peters.
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And mixed by Robbo.
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Got your own audio suite.
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Got your own audio suite.
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Just ask Robbo.com.
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With tech support from George the Tech Whittam.
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