2025 Wrap Up: PASport VO, AI Reality Checks, Source-Connect Myths and What We Learned This Year

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Please take to the video stars George
Wisdom, founder of Source Element Robert

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Marshall, international audio
engineering Robin Roberts.

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And global voice Andrew Peters.

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Would you have these

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lots of podcasts for the year.

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And so we're going to talk about

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some of the ones, the highlights
I think that we've had.

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Have we had any.

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Yeah, exactly.

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That sounds I'm actually scrolling back
through our episodes of the year.

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I mean, we record so much content.

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I mean, how the heck can you summarize
what we went through in this year?

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Because it's
I can't remember what I did yesterday.

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Yeah, as a
show, we actually had a really good year.

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Absolutely.
The show has actually done well.

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We had some good stats, didn't
I mean, the big thing about the year,

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the passport, wouldn't that be
one of the biggest things of the year?

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Well,
that would be one of the biggest things,

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our biggest

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our biggest episode
for the year, from memory,

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was the episode where we talked about,
we direction in session,

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you know,
like the weirdest thing you've heard

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that was our biggest it
that was our biggest downloaded one.

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I really
that's the one that gets reactions

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for sure because everyone goes,
oh I've got one. Yeah, yeah.

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Can you make it?

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What was my

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can you make it sound like you're dead
inside and all that sort of stuff?

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Well, the direction I took, it
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Yeah. Yeah, exactly. That's right.

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The story that kicked off the year
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on the 14th of January was the Austrian
audio joins DPA.

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So that was a big surprise to us.

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I just kind of forgot about that
in the first place.

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That's right.

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Yeah.

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It's been very quiet
since that was announced.

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You would never
you would never really know.

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No, I'm not stepping on each other.

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There's nothing like it.

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Which is great.

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Wanting to get to, you know, involved
with the Austrian audio.

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It's just
I wanted to build a portfolio and, Yeah,

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I should have brought my DPA microphones
to the Messiah.

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I could have brought my 40 elevens.

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Yeah, you're 4011,
but are going to appropriate.

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Are they still in good, good shape?
They are. Yes.

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Yeah.

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Those are they're tough to use
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So they need a special preamp and.

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Oh that's right.

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Yeah that's right,
that's right. Absolutely.

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But yeah
that's how he kicked off the year.

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And then the passport was here.

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That was like a big deal. Obviously.

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And so we talked a lot about the passport.

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We demonstrated it. We used it.

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We did user guides.

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You know we really just we
we really got into well when you say

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we ordered and you got
you did the user guides George.

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Although we did doing that.

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Well we did do an episode on the.

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We didn't we did an audio guide episode
a user guide.

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I think in the middle of that episode,
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case in the middle of like we did, right?

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Yeah, yeah, it was 7 or 8 default
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And then we came up with an eighth one,
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the document to PDF that you'd get with,
the user guide.

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Oh, cool.

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You know, the one I send people
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And I'm reminded
just seeing it here in front of me is the,

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the is the the sorry, not the eyes.

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The image, the the bridge between three.

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Source connect three and four.

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Oh, that I send people to that a lot
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on LinkedIn and, and a couple on Facebook
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I'm on three,
they're on four and one connects.

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I can't do this session.

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So for you,

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you can because ignore all the messages
that say these don't work with each other.

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Yeah, we we really did put a lot
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like people were like, what is going on?

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We're like, all right

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now we're going to like shower
you with like clarity.

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But I reckon that would be easily
the one I've shared

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the most over the year.

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This year would be that that episode,
like the most times I've sort of gone,

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will have go and have a listen to this
because it'll be helpful.

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Well, it's interesting because I
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actually with a studio in Melbourne
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But I do know because Robert told
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but I
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particularly in Australia,

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Australia in particular,
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but Australia is holding on to Source
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like it's the last piece of wood
that's off the Titanic.

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We'll see.

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The thing is, down here,
I guess, is it's still not widely used.

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That's the thing.

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You know, like people are going,

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oh, I've got Source Connect,
but no one's really using it.

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You know, people is still zoom sessions
and and it's sort of stuff.

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I mean it is being used for the,
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clients are using zoom
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Agency level
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those are the levels of recording session
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And it's like say it's
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but they're just client directed
but talent recorded.

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That's what those are.

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That's right. Exactly. Yes. Exactly.

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Like we're recording this podcast
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We're all recording our own files.

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So yeah.

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So, you know, it's like it's
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I think that it's just sort of more
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you know, it's interesting
because I did, I did Somerset

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did a few sessions with, a studio in

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New York, and then I did

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a session with the studio in them, like,

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so I was in here at 7:00 in the morning
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but it was done through teams,
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and I've recorded at my end
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Yeah.
So client supervised talent recorded.

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Send us the files.

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It's always funny.

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I was, you know, when we have clients,
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we'll do the recording
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because they don't want to pay for the
engineer to do the the recording session.

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They think they're going
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And we always explain to them, like,

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you're not
because you're going to give us files.

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You're
going to say you're going to take notes.

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The notes will be unclear.

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Some of them will get off
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and it's going to take the hour
that you think you're going to save.

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It's going to take the engineer an hour
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And if anything goes wrong
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you'll have missed your opportunity
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because you're not really monitoring
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it's just
there's things that can go wrong

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that an engineer might catch
if you have them on the line

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and they're going to have
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you do it

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with one of those.

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I made the Somerset
One cheese in the booth.

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I'm actually engineering out here.

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So you know, I'm slating

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another take and all that kind of stuff
and capturing the audio.

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All right.

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And what really should have happened is
you should have been like Somerset is $500

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an hour and Andrew is 50 bucks
an hour or whatever.

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Poor engineer he gets paid. Yeah, yeah.

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It's funny that you're talking about

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about not hearing stuff there, Robert,
because I got I got caught out like that

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earlier this year
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they didn't have Source Connect,
so we just did it like this down the line.

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Met on Google Mate,
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locally and it, as best as I could tell,
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I'd got them to send me a file.

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But in the meantime,
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they decided that they were going
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And I did it straight in it
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you know, the microphone and the computer
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or in between that
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So burning to the file.

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So yeah. So sounded
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But, but as soon as the file arrives,
it's like, okay, so this is going right.

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So it's like, you know, it's like

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especially with platforms
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because there's all kinds of noise
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So there might be a fan and a
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And those systems are pretty
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from the point of view of a meeting room.

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But then when you get the file like,

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oh crap, there's a whole

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bunch of crap here that we could have,
just don't want to deal with.

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Yeah, you got to deal with it now,

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but I don't say
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You get the file.

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It could be, you know, clipping
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You just don't know
or too low or whatever.

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Yeah, I did it myself the other night.

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I was it was like 11:00 at night,
and I was recording a video.

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I started this little series a minute on
your mic that I'm doing on social media.

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In a minute.

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It was like a minute on your mind,
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was sort of doing a quick mic comparison
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I wasn't really thinking
about what I was doing, but and I couldn't

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hear it at the time, didn't hear it
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did the mics and all that sort of stuff
and played it back and had did

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my confidence monitoring the headphones
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it would have been the Ntg five,
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out of the ones I compared, was actually
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And because it was so late,
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At least I was just focused on
just get this fucking thing done

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because it's got to go out tomorrow.

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And I played it back where it oh fuck now

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got to go back in
through that whole thing again.

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Well, that was something we touched on.

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I'm sure during the year,

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as we are talking about things
we've talked about during the year.

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Yeah, we've also got

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in the chat with Vanguard microphone,
their number one Gary member.

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Yeah. And, I heard that
he's relocated to Pennsylvania.

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So I reached out to him and I said,
hey, man, if we maybe could meet up

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while I'm visiting and he said,
I think it's on your end.

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The time's up.

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What is that coming from?

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I don't it's not me.

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I think it's, rainbows and

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what is that?

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The five father I control is fine.

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Yeah, it's actually getting on the vibe.

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It's the remote locator tones.

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Yeah, but do you.

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What the fuck is that?

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Like? Would you end that podcast already?

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One of the teachers,

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one of the kids has left the remote
for the app for the Google TV in here.

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And she's searching for. Right?

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Yeah. It's funny, it's amazing.

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She knew how to do that.

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Most people
don't even know how to make that work.

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Oh man, she's tech anyway. Yeah.

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Rewinding it. So.
So yeah. To Pennsylvania. Right?

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By the time you're hearing this,
I may be in Pennsylvania, actually,

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because I'm visiting my family

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in Westchester, Pennsylvania,
which is a suburb of Philadelphia.

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And,
Eric isn't that far from there either.

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And I reached out by email and said, hey,
maybe we can get together.

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Derek I'm sorry, Derek Mayor.

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And he was like, yeah, that'd be great.
What do you think?

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So maybe in January,
since I'll be there for a week

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after the first, we might get to meet up.

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Let's see what he's up to over there.
So that'll be fun.

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He was very, very interesting
because he he, like,

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super nerdy and, you know, that,
which was super nerdy, but still.

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And you could, you know,
you didn't get too lost in the weeds.

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Yeah.

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You know, there's a lot
we learned a lot about like, capsules.

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I remember like, but the voicing and
and how much

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that really has to do
with the sound of things,

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and also the basket, I think he talked
about the how the basket,

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you know, dictates
the right sound and whatever.

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Yeah.

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And we also had another milestone
this year, I think, kind of a milestone

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as we had a couple really talented women,
women voice actors who were, you know,

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movers and shakers in their own right,
like building doors with Christy Harris.

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Yeah. Yep.

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I was gonna say she was excellent. Right.

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That's a good,
good. Cause that on your guest.

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And then not long after,
we had Cissy Jones and Larissa Gallagher

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who are working on their own tools
right there, I, I for I,

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and they're really trying
to, you know, it's like ethical AI right?

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Isn't that what it is ethically.

280
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Yeah. Yeah.

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I haven't heard anything about that
since actually in

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the word
was that they were going to come to Sydney

283
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for the voice at the conferences
happening next year, I believe.

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I know they were

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listed on the, you know, potential guests,
so I have no idea.

286
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Well, you know,
I did use one of the robots to ask

287
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what were the big takeaways
and the big themes of our year?

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What do you think was the number one
recurring theme of the year?

289
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They don't process your audio?

290
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No, that would have been maybe last year.

291
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It should have been top ten. Yeah.

292
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So this year it was, it was definitely,
yeah.

293
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The industry is changing fast.

294
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It's not always in our favor.

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And AI contracts, platform shifts.

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2025 was the year voice
actors stopped asking you

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if I would affect them and started
dealing with the consequences, right.

298
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That was a big part of the year.

299
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It's a that's a good way to put it. Yeah.

300
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And we all talk about AI constantly here.

301
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I mean, we're all using it and trying
to figure out what it's useful for.

302
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And we were just saying how like it's cool
for like doing something like I'm doing

303
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now or I'm summarizing a lot of content
quickly and getting some talking points,

304
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but when you want it to do real work
and give you real, accurate information

305
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and things,
you can actually hang your hat on or run

306
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a business on,
or everything has to be proofed.

307
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Everything has to be verified,
everything has to be double checked.

308
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Like I have blue in the face.

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Asked
ChatGPT to give me useful information

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like look at my website, give me a summary
of all the products I sell on my site.

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Okay?

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I mean, it's not easy, but
it's still something that you could pay

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a human being an hour to do 3040 bucks
to literally make a document.

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And it would be accurate
and you would know, would have everything.

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Instead,
I could spend a half an hour trying

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to give it prompts to give me something
that's useful.

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That's actually comprehensive and accurate
and crap not going to happen.

318
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Yeah. I mean,
that is one of the questions.

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I mean, just from

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people trying to

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hire AI voices, I understand that
AI voices from a reuse point of view

322
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maybe are more affordable, but when you
really look at the recording session

323
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and trying to get what you want out of AI,
which is wasn't one of them that you

324
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someone did about like trying to direct
AI, you know, like the stupid crap.

325
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Yeah, the stupid crap
you'd get out of it, like, oh, yeah.

326
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I mean, he just
he had a guy on recently who claims,

327
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you know, he's like,
oh, you just don't know what you're doing.

328
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You know,

329
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he's like a tech tech nerd and he's like,
you're just did you get a bad prompt?

330
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And you're just going to direct
a real person?

331
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Even this massive prompt, massive like

332
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with so much direction in it,
it was still a disaster.

333
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Right.

334
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And how long did it take you
to make that prompt?

335
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You know,
that how that could have been two words

336
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with an actor that can read the room
and understand what's going on

337
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and get the vibe of the script
all at once?

338
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Experience has a context and has lived
the life and all these things, right?

339
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There's other things like with language
as well, where

340
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I mentioned before few months ago
that someone played me

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what I was,
it was go take for one of the sessions

342
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and they decided to flip and changed
and got me to do The Voice,

343
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and it was a female and I couldn't

344
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understand why they didn't
stay with what they had said it fine to me

345
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and it was like, oh, well, that,

346
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you know, there's a couple of words
that they're mispronounced.

347
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And I'm thinking, well,
why don't you just do some pickups?

348
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And then it was

349
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kind of like, I went into the house
and I was playing it to my son.

350
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He went, that's an AI.

351
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I'm like, Holy shit. So it is.

352
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I'm curious, you know, at that moment to.

353
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Yeah.

354
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And the thing was that that's why
they couldn't get the thing back, because

355
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even if they did use the AI, it's
still going to make the same mistakes.

356
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And even if you use phonetics
in the script to, you know, for the

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AI to get the pronunciation correct, it's
so difficult because

358
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phonetics change with the accents.

359
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So I get sent phonetic,
you know, like there's a word

360
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from the Middle East
or Singapore or something,

361
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and they'll give me a
they will spell it out phonetically,

362
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but their phonetics
is based on their accent.

363
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If they're Indian or Chinese or Arabic,

364
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the way they say a word is so different
to the way we would say it.

365
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So their phonetics don't work for us.

366
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So if you can't,
if you can't get a human to do it,

367
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you got Buckley's of getting a
AI to do it.

368
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Oh yeah.

369
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And then try to get
AI to do the same thing twice, but change

370
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one aspect of the performance where
you just get a completely different thing,

371
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like, oh, this is possible.

372
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Yeah.

373
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No, you can't do it.

374
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You, you can say like, I want exactly
the same thing that was you nailed it.

375
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But I need you to just a little something
on the branding and whatever.

376
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Nope.

377
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You get a different performance
every time, and it's the whole point.

378
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You're going to spend more time
trying to wrestle AI

379
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than having a human interaction
with somebody

380
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and getting it done
quicker with higher quality.

381
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And that's that's right.

382
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The question is, I don't think
there's any creatives out there.

383
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I don't think there's any art director
or writer that wants to use AI.

384
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I think it's all the accountants
and the CEOs

385
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and the people that are paying
the bills are like, you going to use AI?

386
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And they don't realize that they're not.

387
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They're making like they assume
everything gets made with quality

388
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because they want it to be quality,
and they don't realize

389
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they're forcing people
to lose quality in their product.

390
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And things like advertising.

391
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It's a subtle thing, right?

392
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It's like you're trying to get a reaction
out of somebody and some of the stuff

393
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can be pretty subtle to,
you know, well, like into somebody.

394
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It's not always,

395
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you know, clients always think that if
you just say the price point more times,

396
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like people are going to get it
and it's not that,

397
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it's how it's delivered.

398
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It's what catches somebody.

399
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And those are all subtle things that
you should do, should make more executives

400
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use ChatGPT to write love letters
to their partners.

401
00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,000
Yes. And and say, how did that turn out?

402
00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:02,280
Yeah. Everything great.

403
00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,960
How's your sex life? Yeah.

404
00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:06,480
It's funny. Talk about direction, though.

405
00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:10,560
This is, I know we've talked about taking
direction and understanding direction.

406
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This is the thing you never want to hear,
but get two things.

407
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Actually,
if it's a tag, you put two hours aside

408
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because I can guarantee that's how long
it's going to take to get the tag down.

409
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But secondly, when you hear someone go,

410
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that was absolutely perfect.

411
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No, I love it.

412
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But and you go, oh, that sounds
you hear that that after that up,

413
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shitty, we go right down the rabbit hole.

414
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We're not coming out for a while.

415
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Can we just try one more? It's never one.

416
00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:41,560
No, it's pretty much as I say.

417
00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:43,520
Can we try one more? It's never one.

418
00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:45,280
Yeah, my takes aren't potato chips.

419
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Thank you very much.

420
00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:49,080
Yeah, that's.

421
00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,920
Yes. Some other topics
that were a big recurring themes.

422
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Gear matters less than people think,
but understanding it matters more.

423
00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,520
Yeah, that's. Well,
the same goes for your room as well.

424
00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,360
Yeah. Here are your rooms.

425
00:19:01,360 --> 00:19:04,840
You've preached on that so many times,
but it's a recurring theme for sure.

426
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It's the right use of the right
kind of gear, but not the specific

427
00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,040
at the right time,
in the right place in your chest.

428
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It's something that I've changed

429
00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,600
and this is going a bit off topic,
which is what we normally do.

430
00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,760
I've, I got four channels in here,

431
00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:24,520
but I only use I've cut it down to two
and I've locked in.

432
00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,280
This is a great setups.

433
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I have the drive through, the, four

434
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and six through the Grace
and the 818 through the maze.

435
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And that's it. So I have the grace.

436
00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:38,760
See you then. You're not using the eight.

437
00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:42,640
You're using the eight is on your
is your road setup okay.

438
00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:43,400
Yep. Yep.

439
00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,480
I, I'm really looking forward
to getting the super cardioid version

440
00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,480
because I think
that'd be fantastic on the road

441
00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,040
as long as you get you mike technique.

442
00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:52,920
Right. Otherwise I'm hanging out.

443
00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:54,240
It's like nothing.

444
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Not not quite as strict as the 416
and not quite as open as you normally

445
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when it's kind of right in the middle.

446
00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:01,560
Yeah.

447
00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,880
The funny thing about the tube,
the line gradient,

448
00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,200
is that what we call this,
the four sixteens and the like.

449
00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,080
Yeah,

450
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yeah, yeah.

451
00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:12,680
The capsules farther from the tip.

452
00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,680
Then we all talked about that to how
the capsule is actually quite a bit.

453
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So like it's, it's
not as it's harder to make a

454
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like really bad plosives on a 41 six.

455
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And it's just swallowing it one six.

456
00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:29,640
But it's much harder to really make
it sound bad because you never really get

457
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that close to the capsule.

458
00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:36,480
Whereas a pencil mic okay, eight SC the s
all right there, capsules right there,

459
00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:40,160
and you can blast the bejesus
out of that capsule.

460
00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:41,560
I mean, I'm using one here

461
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,960
and I do have the included windscreen,
which is actually really effective.

462
00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,600
But I certainly have a high pass filter
on this thing too.

463
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:52,080
You can also use up screen
and you'll aquarium if you need.

464
00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:54,320
Yeah, that's true.

465
00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:55,480
It is not all that different.

466
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,160
I heard it sounds great.
If you take it straight

467
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out of the aquarium
and put it right on the right.

468
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,760
Yeah. That's right.

469
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:03,640
In fact, actually, here's an experiment.

470
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,640
Here's the I'm holding in my hand
the aquarium,

471
00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:10,440
the actual $1 pool, aquarium filter.

472
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:14,120
And I'm using the stock
one that comes with the oyster away.

473
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:15,040
Okay.

474
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,440
So, Peter, Peter, what is it?

475
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,560
Please bring pizza pronto.

476
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,000
Please bring pizza pronto.

477
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,520
That's what the band says, right?

478
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:25,920
All right, we'll take that one off.

479
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,680
Okay. Wait wait, wait. Do it.
Do it without. Without anything.

480
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:29,280
No, no.

481
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,280
Pop, you please bring pizza pronto.

482
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,320
Please
bring pizza. Okay? Okay. Clip. Yeah.

483
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:39,240
And then this is the dollar filter
from the aquarium.

484
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:41,440
Okay, here we go.

485
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,520
Please bring pizza pronto.

486
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,560
Please
bring pizza pronto. It did it great.

487
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:46,960
Yeah,

488
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:49,000
yeah.

489
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,400
Oh, I said you could talk underwater.

490
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,040
George. George,
you got to remove the goldfish from that.

491
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:54,280
But besides, it's great.

492
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:55,120
Yeah, yeah.

493
00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:56,040
Pretty similar.

494
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,360
Pretty similar. George, that reminds me.

495
00:21:58,360 --> 00:22:00,280
Send me a link to whichever ones you use.

496
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,520
I gotta, I gotta get me a few
and from us, send you back

497
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:06,080
and you put some other stuff.

498
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,320
Put some other stuff in the bag,
please. Yes.

499
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:09,720
Yeah. Good topic.

500
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,440
The other biggie was the myth

501
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,680
busting is still
one of the biggest things that we do.

502
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,680
Because your audience is drowning in
bad advice.

503
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,760
You know,
you know, changing the subject again.

504
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,840
I'd like to know
who found at O'Hare airport

505
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,880
a bag of hooch in the pot.

506
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:26,800
Clowns outside the airport.

507
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,560
I'd like to know,
too, because that's mine.

508
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:31,680
My bag.

509
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:32,440
You know about that?

510
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,800
I told you about that, Andrew. Yes.

511
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,080
I was so pissed off.

512
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,080
In fact, that's funny.

513
00:22:40,120 --> 00:22:41,200
And. Yeah.

514
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,320
No, it's been great.
I mean, we love what we do.

515
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:44,440
I don't know what.

516
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,400
Is there anything we would change for
next year?

517
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,680
Because thought about I mean, you know,
we've but dabbled in video.

518
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,160
Then we backed off on video.

519
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,520
Certainly don't expect it
to be any more professional.

520
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,680
I mean, that would be one
not not with me on board, that's for sure.

521
00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:58,160
None of us.

522
00:22:58,160 --> 00:22:58,320
Well,

523
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:02,360
I've I've been curious what you guys think
as our audience like the value of video.

524
00:23:02,360 --> 00:23:05,720
Like, have you been missing our video
that we haven't done much video lately?

525
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,800
We should ask the audience,
do we need to do video

526
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,720
right, like we'd like to hear from feeling
you're missing out on?

527
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:12,360
Yeah.

528
00:23:12,360 --> 00:23:15,560
Because, like, you know, we used video
for a while because we could.

529
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,200
And so we were doing it as a team effort.

530
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,000
And frankly, I'll be honest,
it was me putting a lot of more effort in.

531
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:20,880
It was a lot of work.

532
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:21,880
It's exponential.

533
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:23,960
How much more like the video is. Yeah.

534
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:25,120
And then it was a team lift

535
00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:28,040
because Robbo was still doing his mix
and then getting it to sync.

536
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:29,800
And and so we used it great.

537
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,120
We used it heavily for our part,
for all of our passport stuff,

538
00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:36,080
because we wanted to demonstrate it
and show it and review it,

539
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,240
and then was like, wait,
you know, these long form interviews,

540
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,760
do they really do
they really does it really matter to have

541
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:47,160
I think that some people are more
open when there isn't video?

542
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:49,200
I think that's true.

543
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,160
I think, yeah, it's more intimate,
like you got a mask if there's no video

544
00:23:54,120 --> 00:23:57,360
to see, see how many podcasts
I go on these days though, that our video,

545
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,680
like a lot of them,
like of Kirsty Haas from

546
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,880
some sliding doors,
I've been on her podcast.

547
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,160
That was video.

548
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,800
It was another one
I was on a couple of months ago.

549
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:08,440
That was video.

550
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:09,000
And there's one

551
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,120
that I'm going on just after Christmas
in between Christmas and New Year.

552
00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:12,800
That's video.

553
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:17,280
So it seems like you have to do video
just to be relevant in the industry.

554
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:21,800
But my question to the audience is like,
I know a lot of people that

555
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:23,760
listen to video,

556
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,240
like there's a video podcast, they're out
walking the dog just listening to it.

557
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,520
No one's really there
walking around the house.

558
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,440
No one's actually watching the video
to these things.

559
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,560
But the marketing engines
want there to be video content.

560
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,320
But I don't know that it's still radio.

561
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,560
It's funny because you listen to NPR
and it dawned on me

562
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,560
one time, like some of the shows
that you listen to on the radio

563
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,840
are exactly the same thing
that's on PBS news, almost.

564
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,280
And it's just like, and you're like,
oh, I got everything I need to know.

565
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,520
I didn't even listen to them in the car.
I listened to.

566
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,320
I know that there's videos available
for like, the rest is politics.

567
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:00,520
The rest is history.

568
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,120
All those things that I listen to, but I.

569
00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:06,120
I like them in the car
when I'm driving somewhere. And

570
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,800
in fact, there's a couple of
really good ones that came out recently.

571
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,800
The, the rest is history on the Beatles

572
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,000
with Conan O'Brien.

573
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,320
And, it's good. Good.

574
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,200
It's interesting hearing you say, though,
Robert, it's just still just radio

575
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,840
because radio is going. So video
these days is not funny.

576
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,880
You know, they're sitting up there
studios for video.

577
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:28,440
They're basically building on the studios
around a video camera and the lighting

578
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,200
and all this sort of thing. It's true.

579
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,000
I know and think going the other way.
It's so much fun.

580
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:38,280
What I like to see is, is the podcast
that's video only without any audio.

581
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,000
How will that work out?

582
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:40,800
Yeah.

583
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,680
You know,
I think it'd have been great in the 20s.

584
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,960
Yeah. Well,
I mean I think it's in our name now.

585
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,320
I mean we are the pro audio suite, so
you know, we're not the pro video suite.

586
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,560
So I mean, audio only fits us
anyway, right?

587
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,480
Yeah. The piano. I'm just stuck at
it gets to dive.

588
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,160
But I don't doubt that we're going
to be forced to have to do video to

589
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,120
take it to the next level.
Let's put it this way, Robert.

590
00:26:02,120 --> 00:26:04,880
I mean, Robert, you remember
I sort of forced you to do video.

591
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,760
You were not you.
I was not happy about it.

592
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,760
But I used to snow emails about that.

593
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,920
No, I mean, a year ago
I was very like bullish on the video, man.

594
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,080
I was pushing it hard
because that's what I was.

595
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:17,360
Everybody was talking about.

596
00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:19,960
I was like,
I think I'll take a shower ship.

597
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:20,680
Like, I know

598
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:22,920
the joints.

599
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,240
Well, I'm gonna brush my teeth.
Yeah, yeah.

600
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:27,360
No, it's like it's.

601
00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:31,440
But in the end, the real value is
what we're talking about, and the video

602
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,160
supports it, but it's a marketing tool
and I don't I'm not worried about.

603
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,040
In fact,
my own podcast went on hiatus in May.

604
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,160
I haven't released anything since the
beginning, like the middle of the year.

605
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,640
And it was because
video was take was dragging me down.

606
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,280
I was just like,
I can't keep up, I have too much to do.

607
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,480
So I'm going to relaunch my podcast
in 2026.

608
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,160
It's an audio podcast.

609
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:57,160
I've got a fellow who is a client of mine
and decided to step up

610
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:01,400
and do a bunch of mixes for me,
just, gratis.

611
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,880
His name is Rob Ryder,
and, he's a good producer.

612
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,840
He does great mixes and great edits.

613
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,160
And so we're going to,

614
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,200
we're going to release a bunch of stuff
that George the Tech, My George

615
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,040
the Tech podcast recorded over the year
that's just been sitting in the can.

616
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:16,120
And I'm glad

617
00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:18,400
because now it'll get out there
and we've got great interviews

618
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:19,960
waiting and you're going to release that.

619
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,520
It's audio only and like

620
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,720
and it'll be more it'll be audio only
but at least it's going to be heard.

621
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:25,920
Let's, let's do a video.

622
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,760
But let's, let's just do a video podcast
and just put bars and bars

623
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:30,840
for all the video.

624
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,840
And there you go. Like done.

625
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,040
Well, since we're plugging new podcasts,
I'm starting a new one in the new year.

626
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:38,120
Two. It's a radio.

627
00:27:38,120 --> 00:27:38,440
Oh yeah.

628
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,160
Yeah, it's called it's not Rocket Science.

629
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,880
It's about radio imaging,
but it's not about,

630
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,880
you know, this plugging in that plug in
and all that sort of stuff.

631
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,800
It's actually about the science. Why?

632
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,520
Why do we need radio imaging?

633
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,360
You know, different ways
to, to approach it

634
00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:57,000
and the views of some very impressive
people.

635
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,000
Duncan Campbell, who's the group program
director of the Australian Radio

636
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,120
Network here in Australia,
and a guy called Phil Gauss, who is,

637
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,480
who is
a, an international who's an intake.

638
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,600
Yeah, he's an international radio
consultant

639
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,960
who's making big waves in, in Europe
at the moment and stuff like that.

640
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,480
So talking to some friends of mine
and getting their thoughts on radio

641
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,560
imaging and different ways
to think about it

642
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,800
and how it should be used
and where it should be used.

643
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,120
So yeah. So that'll be in the new year.

644
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:24,120
It and it's funny
you know like it is hard work.

645
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,640
But at the same time
I find I come away with it

646
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,320
learning a whole bunch of stuff too,
which I can then put into my own work.

647
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:32,720
So it does have its reward.

648
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:37,280
It's, it's a funny thing too, because
it's like radio imaging, but it's radio.

649
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,840
There's no visual imaging there.

650
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,640
It's image, you know, it's like,
well, you're creating a mental image.

651
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:43,560
That's exactly.

652
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,040
Yeah. Yeah.

653
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,120
My friend Jodie Crangle has a great show
called The Power of Sound.

654
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:53,160
You know, and ironically even though
she can screen and drag away in the video,

655
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,160
she's doing video and she's been doing it
for six months now.

656
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,960
And I only listen to her show
an audio format.

657
00:28:58,960 --> 00:28:59,880
I don't watch it on video.

658
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,400
Right. It's a single lot of people
listen to these things and they're not.

659
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,440
They're like, put the phone in the pocket
and they listen to it.

660
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,480
Yeah, and it's
costing her a lot of money and time.

661
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:07,440
She's getting great guests

662
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:08,240
though, and I don't know

663
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:12,400
if there's a correlation that the fact
she's doing video and pushing video and

664
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,640
she's getting more high profile guests,
I don't know if there's a relationship.

665
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:17,280
I never asked her.

666
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,280
But you and Robbo, you and her could

667
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,600
cross-promote your shows
and you're both doing something about.

668
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,320
It's all about how powerful sound
is in communicating

669
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,760
emotion and messaging and all that.

670
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,880
That's what her show's about.
So of course true.

671
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:32,800
You guys can give me a name.

672
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,840
Let's hook up, I will
I will connect you with Jodie Crane.

673
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:37,800
She's great. She's in Canada.

674
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,560
And I got invited in
to become a guest host

675
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,560
in the same way that you guys
brought me in 7 or 8 years ago,

676
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,120
I got invited in to be a guest host
on the show.

677
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,080
That's recurrent returning.

678
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,000
Is this the year of the returning podcast?

679
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,120
There's a show called Vo Meter

680
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,280
that my friends, from GVA.

681
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,480
Oh, come on, dude, I'm going to I'm going

682
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,680
to really botch the names right now
because I have to bring them up on demand.

683
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,960
GV GV anonymous,
what is it you've heard of GVA?

684
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,080
I have actually, yeah.

685
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,120
Global voice acting.

686
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:15,360
No, actually Paul Stefano,
he's one of the co-founders and producers

687
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,000
of Vo meter and his, compadre
that have been doing the show

688
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,080
with him for years, Sean Daly from GVA.

689
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,240
The two of them have been running
that show for years,

690
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,160
and they asked me to come in and pop in
and do a guest appearance

691
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:28,440
on a recurring basis.

692
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,960
So let's see how that goes in 2026.

693
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,440
But, well, here
you go. He's a based on that.

694
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,640
He's he's a good way
to to end this episode.

695
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,520
What's the one curveball job that's
come your way this year that's got

696
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:41,880
you've just gone my god.

697
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,600
Oh, everyone's doing the NFL broadcast.

698
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:46,640
Parabolic. Right.

699
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,000
That was a good one.
Yeah, yeah, that was a curveball.

700
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,640
That's a curveball for you? Totally.

701
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,920
Yeah. That was wild about you.
It was a curveball.

702
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,960
And there was a curveball
that went around the planet

703
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,320
because I did it for the first time
24 years ago.

704
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,600
So I did it once, never did it again.

705
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,840
And then 24 years later, I did it again.

706
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,280
There you go. Yeah, yeah.

707
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:06,280
Experience space.

708
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,600
My, my one would be not
my sort of curveball,

709
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,720
but I've been and had for many, many years

710
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,720
been, a Formula One fanatic.

711
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,840
And then I got to do the,

712
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,480
TV ads for, the Abu Dhabi
Grand Prix for the UAE.

713
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:23,800
That is cool.

714
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:24,480
That's very cool.

715
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:24,960
That's just a

716
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,120
yeah, that's a neat fit, that one
that's kind of cool, but still nice.

717
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:28,480
Yeah.

718
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:28,800
Yeah.

719
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,400
Robert
I guess, kind of similar to George.

720
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:33,840
One of the men,

721
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,880
one of my first gigs out of college
was to do a lot of classical recording.

722
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,160
And then, you know, been busy

723
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,480
with life and everything else
and other gigs and commercials.

724
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:49,880
And then I got asked to do this recording
for The Messiah, and it was super fun.

725
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:55,120
So back to the, you know, like the
classical recording and simul broadcast.

726
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:55,600
Yeah.

727
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,960
And it's kind of fun to go back to it
and pull out my, my setup.

728
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,120
That was it's still running.

729
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,480
I love that you could pull out
a 20 year old Greg and it just, you know,

730
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,600
it's going to work and purpose built
you know like yeah it's funny.

731
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,040
You know
we're just talking about live radio.

732
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,800
I'd love to go back to live radio.

733
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,440
You know, I don't think I'd want to do it
full time, but I just a week back in,

734
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,400
in full time radio, I reckon I,
I just there's something about that

735
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,240
instantaneous gratitude,
you know, like you spend 3

736
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,160
or 4 hours in the studio making a promo,

737
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,160
and then you get in the car
and you drive home and it's on air.

738
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,720
You mean so doing promos and stuff?

739
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,160
Yeah,
I yeah, thought of actually being on air.

740
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,760
I was gonna say, like,
life will never get canceled

741
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,800
and I've never been a
jock, so that's sort of that, that doesn't

742
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,560
really bother me, but yeah, that,
you know, we talk about it quite a bit.

743
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,640
I talk about with,
you know, work mates and stuff like that.

744
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,120
And, and even the kids, you know,
now they're old enough to understand

745
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,200
what the hell I used to do
when the, in the back in the 80s that,

746
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,960
I saw a photo of you doing it
this morning on Tim Simon's Facebook page.

747
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,920
You and him. Oh, really?
What was really for that photo?

748
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,320
It was a photo of you
in the production studio. They say.

749
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:07,720
Say, I'm working on a documentary for,
the split in split.

750
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,320
In split. Oh, cool.

751
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:10,520
Yeah.

752
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,000
Andrew, do you miss do you miss live radio
or is it this, like, this dress?

753
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:14,640
You don't miss it?

754
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,040
Yeah, I don't miss it because I think

755
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,520
it's a dog eat dog business.

756
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:21,840
And when you're up, you're up.

757
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,480
And when you're down, you're fucked.

758
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,800
And and everyone kicked you on the way
down. So.

759
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:26,880
Yeah, but that's the politics.

760
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,440
But the actual job itself, you know,
like I that that's the big reason

761
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,440
I got out of full time
radio was the politics.

762
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,280
And it sounds like you're saying
the same thing. Really.

763
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,480
It was. It wasn't.
It wasn't necessarily politics.

764
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:38,840
I think it's just like my career

765
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:43,040
just went down the toilet really quickly,
and, you're hot and everyone loves you.

766
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,920
And then all of a sudden, well,
and then, like, suddenly you all.

767
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:50,240
Yeah, yeah, but I got in it too, like,
I was 20 when I started, in

768
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,520
which is an unusually old back then.

769
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,880
Within like two years,

770
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,600
I was working in Metro, a metro station.

771
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:01,360
Three years,

772
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,040
we jumped across the new FM commercial
FM thing.

773
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:06,840
It opened, so I was there.

774
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:11,880
Then a year after that,
I got my first TV series or TV show.

775
00:34:12,720 --> 00:34:14,600
So it was just like it.

776
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,280
And of course, the radio station took off.

777
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:18,960
My television career took off.

778
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,960
So the 80s was mental for me.

779
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,800
And then at 88, 1998,

780
00:34:26,240 --> 00:34:29,240
it all started to do a bit of a slide.

781
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,000
And by the mid 90s it was just horrible

782
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,000
and then got to 97 and I'm like,
that's it.

783
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:37,160
I got to get out of this.

784
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,480
It's just revolting.

785
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,080
So I was going
and then I jumped and did this.

786
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,320
And this is before being really good.

787
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,800
But I remember seeing a guy called
Rick Herbert, the Australian voiceover

788
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:53,040
guy, an actor, that was probably mid
to late 90s in Sydney.

789
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,960
And he came into the station
to do a voiceover.

790
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,720
And I remember walking in his kid with him
when he did the job and then left, and

791
00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:00,080
I thought,

792
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:02,080
that's nice.

793
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:03,440
That's for me. That's good.

794
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,640
I get to leave or I get to you get paid
and you're only here for ten minutes.

795
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:08,800
Now you're talking.

796
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:09,600
Well, I'll give you

797
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,200
I'll give you my curveball job
for the year

798
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:13,920
because you guys are going
to get a kick out of this.

799
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,560
I, I got a friend whose podcast
I've been working on here in Australia.

800
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,560
She's actually a voiceover as well,
a lady called Katherine Bick.

801
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,080
And she recommended me
to some friends of hers in the in Canada

802
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,520
who was starting up their podcast,
and she didn't really mention

803
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,560
what the podcast was about, but she went,
you know, they're looking for someone.

804
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:32,480
You know, I don't

805
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,120
they're not sort of afraid
to pay more than they sort of

806
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,320
need to on five or something,
but they want someone,

807
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,440
you know who knows their chops because
they've never really done this before.

808
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,520
They would need to set up
this, set up their room

809
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,360
and all that sort of stuff right
the first time.

810
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:44,760
So yeah.

811
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,640
So basically I went, sure, okay, alright,

812
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,080
I'll give them a hand and sort of
make this commitment.

813
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:49,920
And she didn't.

814
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,080
She tells me now
she purposely didn't tell me.

815
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,120
But I get on line with these two ladies.

816
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:55,520
They're lovely ladies, by the way.

817
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,080
And the and the name of the podcast
is called Midlife Rising.

818
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,600
For anybody whose wife might be interested
in listening.

819
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,600
And you'll understand why
I say watching them because they have a

820
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,480
podcast is based around the mental
and physical effects of menopause.

821
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,240
Oh yeah. Fun.

822
00:36:11,240 --> 00:36:15,000
So. So I've spent the last like 3
or 4 weeks putting together

823
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,600
about 15 odd episodes for them to,
to get started on

824
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,840
and listening to,
you know, getting to know you learns

825
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,640
and oh my, I've learned so much a lot
I have I have a whole bunch of sympathy

826
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,200
for my neck, my problem.

827
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:28,880
You will have to go through it too.

828
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,400
So don't worry.

829
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,720
Man up. Oh, it's you right? Yeah, yeah.

830
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:37,280
Like, as someone that I'm currently
going through menopause as we speak.

831
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,960
Yes that's right.

832
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,120
But, Yeah. Cranky old bugger.

833
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:42,560
Yeah, yeah.

834
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,600
This this year was a bit of a strange

835
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,600
one for me
because I end up getting prostate cancer.

836
00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:50,880
So, where are you?

837
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,440
Part of the treatment, apart
from radiation and stuff, was a hormone.

838
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,960
Hormone treatment,
which I'll be on for quite a while.

839
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,360
I think another year to go with the stuff.

840
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,040
But basically the symptoms
are you go through menopause.

841
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,720
So as was your question,
she's going through it as well. So

842
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,040
the kids go through it together.

843
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,160
God yeah.

844
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,080
Okay. Are mad as one another.

845
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,440
Yeah. Do you get hugs washes.

846
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,360
Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
it's bizarre.

847
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,720
You just sort of sit there going,
oh shit, I'm boiling.

848
00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:23,840
Maybe I should put you in touch with Jen
and Sherry.

849
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,880
Might you be that you could be the host
of the Midlife Rising podcast?

850
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,720
Yeah, yeah,
there's this guy with menopause.

851
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:33,120
Well, I'm not the first.
I mean, there's plenty of it.

852
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:33,720
Yeah, yeah.

853
00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:34,200
It is.

854
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,880
Yeah, it's the most bizarre
thing. Makes it.

855
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,120
It was hysterical
when we were sitting with the oncologist

856
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,280
and he said, look,
you know, you're going to

857
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,400
put you on this hormone treatment
and there are side effects.

858
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:44,640
It will be kind of like, you know,

859
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,680
you will have hot flashes
and then la la la,

860
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,040
all this different stuff
and then mix looking at me going.

861
00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:53,600
Oh, it's

862
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,600
so you're going to go through it as well.

863
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,600
Good. You know.

864
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,000
That's you shaved.

865
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:00,960
Yeah. Yeah.

866
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,960
And go and get your PSA done in the PSA.

867
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,560
Well that was fun for me.

868
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,160
The audio sweet things to try

869
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,440
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870
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,880
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871
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,200
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872
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,760
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873
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,040
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