May 27, 2025
The Universe's Surprising Expiration Date
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In this episode of SpaceTime, we explore some mind-bending revelations about the universe, including a new estimate for its ultimate fate, the peculiar gravity of the asteroid Bennu, and India's ambitious plans for its first manned spaceflight.
The Universe's Unexpected Expiration Date
A groundbreaking study suggests that the universe could meet its end in a mere 10^78 years, significantly sooner than the previously estimated 10^1100 years. This revelation, based on calculations involving Hawking radiation, sheds light on how black holes and other celestial bodies lose mass over time. We discuss the implications of this research and the fascinating mechanics behind black hole evaporation, including the surprising equivalence in decay rates between neutron stars and black holes.
Gravity's Quirks on Asteroid Bennu
Astronomers have uncovered bizarre gravitational dynamics at play on the near-Earth asteroid Bennu, based on data from NASA's Osiris Rex mission. This small celestial body exists in a delicate balance between gravity and centrifugal forces, creating a unique environment that could lead to its eventual disintegration. We delve into how Bennu's increasing rotation might impact its structural integrity and potential future interactions with Earth.
India's Manned Spaceflight Ambitions
The Indian Space Research Organization (ISRO) has announced plans for its first manned spaceflight, set to launch in early 2027. This historic mission will follow an unmanned test flight of the Gaganyan spacecraft, which is designed to carry a crew into low Earth orbit. We discuss the training and preparations of the selected Indian Air Force pilots and the technical challenges ISRO faces as it embarks on this new frontier in space exploration.
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✍️ Episode References
Journal of Cosmology and Astroparticle Physics
https://www.cosmos.esa.int/cosmology
Nature Astronomy
https://www.nature.com/natastronomy/
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00:00 This is Space Time Series 28, Episode 63 for broadcast on 26 May 2025
01:00 New estimates on the universe's end
12:30 The strange gravity of asteroid Bennu
22:45 India's plans for its first manned spaceflight
30:00 Science report: Herpes virus linked to Alzheimer's disease
This episode is brought to you with the support of Insta360 - for incredible 360 degree videos you really need to check their cameras out. To see the range and claim your free offer, visit store.insta360.com and use the coupon code SpaceTime at checkout.
In this episode of SpaceTime, we explore some mind-bending revelations about the universe, including a new estimate for its ultimate fate, the peculiar gravity of the asteroid Bennu, and India's ambitious plans for its first manned spaceflight.
The Universe's Unexpected Expiration Date
A groundbreaking study suggests that the universe could meet its end in a mere 10^78 years, significantly sooner than the previously estimated 10^1100 years. This revelation, based on calculations involving Hawking radiation, sheds light on how black holes and other celestial bodies lose mass over time. We discuss the implications of this research and the fascinating mechanics behind black hole evaporation, including the surprising equivalence in decay rates between neutron stars and black holes.
Gravity's Quirks on Asteroid Bennu
Astronomers have uncovered bizarre gravitational dynamics at play on the near-Earth asteroid Bennu, based on data from NASA's Osiris Rex mission. This small celestial body exists in a delicate balance between gravity and centrifugal forces, creating a unique environment that could lead to its eventual disintegration. We delve into how Bennu's increasing rotation might impact its structural integrity and potential future interactions with Earth.
India's Manned Spaceflight Ambitions
The Indian Space Research Organization (ISRO) has announced plans for its first manned spaceflight, set to launch in early 2027. This historic mission will follow an unmanned test flight of the Gaganyan spacecraft, which is designed to carry a crew into low Earth orbit. We discuss the training and preparations of the selected Indian Air Force pilots and the technical challenges ISRO faces as it embarks on this new frontier in space exploration.
www.spacetimewithstuartgary.com
✍️ Episode References
Journal of Cosmology and Astroparticle Physics
https://www.cosmos.esa.int/cosmology
Nature Astronomy
https://www.nature.com/natastronomy/
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/spacetime-space-astronomy--2458531/support .
00:00 This is Space Time Series 28, Episode 63 for broadcast on 26 May 2025
01:00 New estimates on the universe's end
12:30 The strange gravity of asteroid Bennu
22:45 India's plans for its first manned spaceflight
30:00 Science report: Herpes virus linked to Alzheimer's disease
The Astronomy, Space, Technology & Science News Podcast.
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This is Space Time Series 28
episode 63 for broadcast on the
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26th of May 2025. Coming up on
Space Time, the universe to end
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sooner than thought, the weird
wild wacky Gravity of the
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asteroid Bennu, and India to
undertake its first manned space
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flight within two years. All
that and more coming up on Space
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Time.
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Welcome to Space Time with
Stuart Gary.
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A new study claims the universe
could end in 10 to the power 78
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years from now. That's a 1 with
78 zeros behind it, and it is
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much sooner than previously
thought. The findings, reported
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in the Journal Of Cosmology and
Astroparticle Physics, are based
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on the calculations of three
Dutch scientists looking at
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so-called Hawking radiation.
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They calculate that the universe
's last stellar remnants will
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take about 10 to the power of 78
years from now to evaporate, and
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that's much shorter than the 10
to the power 1,100 years
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previously postulated. Hawking
radiation.
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Proposed by Stephen Hawking back
in 1974, is a phenomenon where
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black holes emit thermal
radiation due to quantum effects
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near the event horizon, the
point of no return, beyond which
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an object falls forever into a
black hole singularity. This
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radiation reduces a black hole's
mass, eventually leading to its
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disappearance. Now it works like
this. Quantum physics predicts
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that the vacuum of space isn't
truly empty.
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But rather it contains
constantly fluctuating pairs of
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virtual particles and
antiparticles that literally pop
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in and out of existence. Now,
near a black hole's event
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horizon, these virtual particles
can be separated by the
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singularity's intense Gravity.
If one of these virtual
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particles falls into the black
hole, the other can escape and
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be observed as radiation,
becoming real and effectively
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evaporating the black hole.
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The escaping particle carries or
radiates away energy. Thus
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reducing the black hole's mass.
And the rate of this evaporation
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would depend on the black hole's
mass. Larger black holes have
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lower Hawking temperatures and
evaporate more slowly, while
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smaller black holes have higher
Hawking temperatures and
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therefore evaporate faster.
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Now over time, the continuous
emission of Hawking radiation
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would theoretically lead to the
gradual evaporation of the black
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hole itself. And taking that to
its natural conclusion,
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eventually the black hole's mass
will reach zero. It'll no longer
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exist.
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Now, the new research by black
hole expert Hina Falke, quantum
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physicist Michael Wondrake, and
mathematician Walter Van
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Sulckrum, all from the
University Of Radboud, is a
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follow-up to an earlier 2023
paper by the same trio. Now,
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back in that paper, they showed
that not only black holes, but
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also other objects, such as
neutron stars, can also
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evaporate through Hawking
radiation.
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Now, after that publication, the
authors received heaps of
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questions from scientists about
how long the process would take.
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And they've now answered that
question in this new study. And
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as we mentioned at the top of
the story, the authors have
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calculated that the end of the
universe is about 10 to the
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power of 78 years away, if only
Hawking-like radiation is taken
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into account.
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They base this on the time they
calculated it would take for a
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white dwarf star, the most
common, persistent type of
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celestial bodies in the
universe, to decay through
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Hawking-like radiation. The
problem is previous studies
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didn't take this into account,
putting the lifetime of white
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dwarves at 10 to the power of
1,100 years.
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Now the researchers calculated
that the process of Hawking
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radiation theoretically also
applies to other objects with a
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gravitational field. The
calculations further showed that
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the evaporation time for an
object depends only on its
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density.
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To the author's surprise,
neutron stars and stellar mass
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black holes took the same amount
of time to decay. 10 to the
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power of 67 years. This was
unexpected, because black holes
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have stronger gravitational
fields than neutron stars, which
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should cause them to evaporate
faster. But the thing is, black
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holes have no surface, so they
reabsorb some of their own
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radiation, and that inhibits the
process.
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It's a fascinating study, all
purely hypothetical of course,
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but nevertheless fascinating.
This is Space Time. Still to
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come... The weird, wild, wacky
Gravity of the asteroid Bennu,
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and India to undertake its first
manned spaceflight within two
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years. All that and more still
to come on Space Time.
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Astronomers have examined the
weird Alice in Wonderland-like
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physics that govern Gravity near
the surface of the asteroid
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Bennu. The new findings are
based on data gathered by NASA's
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OSIRIS-REx spacecraft, which
undertook a sample return
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mission to the
half-kilometer-wide near-Earth
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asteroid. The probe was launched
back in 2016, arriving at Bennu
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in 2018.
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He then spent two years studying
the carbonaceous Apollo group
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space rock. Before swooping down
to the surface and grabbing some
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samples for a return to Earth in
2023. During the mission's study
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of Bennu, scientists examined
and mapped its topography, its
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structure, its composition and,
importantly for this story, its
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gravitational pull.
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A report in the journal Nature
Astronomy found the asteroid has
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a mass of 73 billion kilograms.
And the authors also found that
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Bennu exists in the delicate
balance between two competing
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forces, the result of the
asteroid's spin. See, Bennu
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completes a full rotation around
its axis once every four hours.
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That's quite fast.
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Studies lead author Daniel
Shears from the University Of
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Colorado Boulder says those
forces play an important role in
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the asteroid's long-term
evolution and potential demise.
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He says when you spin an
asteroid up, you create a
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competition between Gravity that
's holding things together and
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centrifugal acceleration, which
is trying to pull things apart.
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To study those forces, Shears
and colleagues used OSIRIS-REx's
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navigational instruments to
measure the minute tug that the
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asteroid exerts on the
spacecraft. And in the process,
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they dug up a lot more than they
expected. Now, based on the
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group's calculations, it appears
the region around Bennu's
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equator is trapped within a
gravitational feature known as a
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rotational Roche Lobe.
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And that's something scientists
haven't yet clearly observed on
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an asteroid. Now, the Roche
limit is the point at which the
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gravitational tidal effects of a
large body on a smaller one
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become so powerful as to
overcome the smaller body's own
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internal Gravity, causing it to
fling apart. And she's found
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that that's when things get
weird with Bennu.
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So, now, if you're standing
inside the boundaries of Bennu's
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Roche lobe, and you slipped on,
say, a banana peel, for example,
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then not much would happen.
You'd be captured by the lobe
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and fall back onto the surface.
But if you were outside the
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Roche Lobe and slipped on that
same banana peel, you'd end up
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rolling towards the equator.
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And you could theoretically gain
enough energy to quite literally
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roll off the equator and up into
orbit and then into outer space.
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Now, she admits it all sounds
like the sort of environment
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looks Carol would have
appreciated. But it does matter
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in real life, especially for the
lifespan of Bennu.
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See, that's because radiation
from the sun is causing Bennu to
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spin faster and faster over
time. And as the asteroid's
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rotation builds up speed, its
Roche limit might also be
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shrinking, along with the forces
that are holding the whole thing
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together. And as the Roche Lobe
narrows further around the
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equator, it becomes easier for
the asteroid to lose material.
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Shree says that so far that
material has been trapped by
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Gravity, but at some point if
the asteroid keeps spinning
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faster, then you would wind up
falling off the cliff. In other
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words, Bennu could well be in
the process of spinning itself
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into pieces. And Sri says that's
important because Bennu is one
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of those asteroids which could
one day impact the Earth.
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The main role of the University
Of Colorado on the OSIRIS-REx
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mission is in the radio science
experiment. When we send a
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spacecraft out to this asteroid,
billions and billions of
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kilometers away from the Earth,
the only way we can command it,
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control it, see what it's doing
is by sending radio waves out to
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the spacecraft.
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The main result from radio
science is actually to measure
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the mass and the Gravity field
of this asteroid. Pristine
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material from the very dawn of
the solar system. Bennu has a
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non-negligible probability of
impacting the Earth a few
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hundred years in the future.
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We take our very precise
measurement to determine its
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location accurately enough so we
can say, oh, okay, it's going to
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miss the Earth by a far distance
in the future. If, in fact, that
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's not the case, then we need to
start thinking about, well, how
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would we actually push this
asteroid out of the way?
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You need time and you need to
understand the properties of the
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asteroid.
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That's Daniel Shries from the
University Of Colorado Boulder.
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And this is Space Time. Still to
come, India to undertake its
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first manned spaceflight within
two years. And later in the
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Science Report, archaeologists
excavating the ancient Iraqi
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city of Nineveh have discovered
the Royal Palace's throne room.
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The Indian space research
organisation ISRO says it will
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attempt to launch its first
manned space mission in early
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2027. The historic flight will
follow an unmanned test flight
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of the nation's Gagayan
spacecraft later this year. The
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5.3-tonne capsule is designed to
carry a crew of three into
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low-Earth orbit.
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The spacecraft will be sent into
orbit using an updated version
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of the 59-metre-tall GSLV Mark
III rocket, GSLV standing for
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Geosynchronous Satellite Launch
Vehicle. Although these days it
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's also being known as Launch
Vehicle Mark 3 or LVM-3.
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So far, four Indian Air Force
pilots have been selected for
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the flight, and they've already
undertaken their cosmonaut
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training in Russia and are now
undergoing further mission
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specialist training back in
India. And the Indian Navy's
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also been rehearsing conducting
sea recovery trials for the
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mission with more simulations
planned prior to the flight.
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Meanwhile, an Indian rocket
carrying a New Earth Observation
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Satellite has failed to reach
orbit. The PSLV C-61 launch
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vehicle blasted off from the
Shirakota Space Center on the
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Bay Of Bengal coast, carrying
the EOS-09 spacecraft. ISRO says
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there was a sudden fall in
chamber pressure during the
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third-stage rocket burn,
preventing the payload from
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reaching orbit. An investigation
is now underway. This is Space
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And time now to take a brief
look at some of the other
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stories making news in science
this week with the Science
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Report. A new study has found
that herpes simplex 1, the virus
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responsible for cold sores, may
also have a key role to play in
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the development of Alzheimer's
disease.
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The findings, reported in the
British Medical Journal, suggest
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that treatment with antiviral
therapy might be linked to a
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lower risk of the condition. The
authors matched up close to
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350,000 pairs of people, one
diagnosed with Alzheimer's, and
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the other without. Now overall,
they found the likelihood of an
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HSV-1 diagnosis was 80% higher
among those with Alzheimer's.
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They also found that people who
used antiviral medication after
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their diagnosis were 17% less
likely to develop Alzheimer's
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compared to those who didn't use
the treatments. Additionally,
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the authors also looked at the
role of other herpesviruses and
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suggest that both HSV-2 and
varicillin-rooster virus
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infections were also associated
with a heightened risk. Of
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getting Alzheimer's.
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Archaeologists excavating a dig
site in the ancient Iraqi city
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of Nineveh have discovered the
royal throne room of the north
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palace of King Ashurbanipal. The
find includes large portions of
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a monumental stone slab some
five and a half meters long by
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three meters high and weighing
around 12 tons.
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It features a carved relief
depicting the ruler of the
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Assyrian Empire from the 7th
century BCE along with two
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important deities and other
figures. Shown in the centre of
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the recently discovered relief
is King Ashur-Benapal, the last
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great ruler of the Assyrian
Empire. He is flanked by two
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supreme deities, the gods Ashur
and Ishtar, the patron goddess
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of Nineveh.
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Archaeologists believe the
figure suggests that a massive
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winged sun disk was probably
originally mounted above the
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relief. The ancient city of
Nineveh, located near the modern
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Iraqi city of Mosul, is
considered to be one of the most
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important cities of North
Mesopotamia, and under King
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Sennacherib, became the capital
of the Assyrian Empire in the
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late 8th century BCE.
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A new study has found that
native Australian bees living in
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areas where European honeybees
are prevalent wind up having
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fewer female offspring and a
higher death rate in their first
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years of life.
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The findings, reported in the
Journal of the Frontiers in Bee
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Science, studied native bees
living in bee hotels, wooden
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boxes designed for native bees
to rest and breed in. They
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looked at 14 sites around Perth,
looking at whether their
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proximity to introduced bees
impacted various signs of
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fitness.
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The authors say it takes fewer
resources to produce male bees
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compared to female bees, so the
change in sex ratio they
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observed among native bees could
be a sign that the natives are
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struggling to compete for
resources, which in turn makes
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it harder for the next
generation to reproduce because
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there are fewer females in the
area.
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While a source of eternal
frustration for those of us
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fascinated by the wonders of a
universe of science fact, for
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many others, the mysteries of
the supernatural retain a sort
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of magical allure. Now, whether
it's the Bermuda Triangle,
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personality tests, ghost
hunting, crop circles, the Loch
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Ness Monster or Bigfoot, they
all have one thing in common.
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They simply don't live up to the
rigors of actual scientific
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testing. Nevertheless, they all
attract passionate supporters.
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And in fact, even when people
know they're not real, they're
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still often fascinated by the
idea. And Tim Mendham from
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Australian Skeptics says there's
a whole range of reasons why
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this is such a common human
quirk.
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Various reasons, if that be
suggested. One is that people
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want our world to be more
exciting, more glamorous, more
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weird, mysterious. So that's one
thing is the excitement level.
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The other one is the fear level,
that the world's a pretty scary
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place, things happen to you
without any apparent reason.
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I'd like there to be some more
reliable information in the
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world. Then these I don't feel
that the world as it is, as I
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know it, is reliable. I'll tune
into something else which is
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sort of UFOs exist, or the world
is flat, or the stars can decide
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my future, etc. That's another
one, that fear factor.
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The other one is a conspiracy
factor, that anything which is
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associated with established fact
or science or policy must be
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false, because obviously they're
campaigning against us, whether
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it's big government, big pharma,
big science, whatever. Anything
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they say is inherently false,
according to some people, and
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therefore will go to the
opposite.
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If I don't trust the government,
therefore something which is...
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Anti-government must be true,
which is poor logic, but never
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mind. It's never been a major
issue. So the governments are
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trying to block the U.S.A. The
governments are trying to block
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this knowledge or that
knowledge. Therefore, that
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knowledge has...
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Hiding the truth about Bigfoot.
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Well, I don't understand that
one. I don't know why a
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government would actually cover
up Bigfoot. I thought, you know,
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tourism, et cetera, would be a
good thing.
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It's the latest animal planet
Bigfoot story that's doing the
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rounds.
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Yeah, it probably is. I mean,
you know, the inventiveness of
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people to find conspiracies is
never-ending. So there's various
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reasons why we like
pseudoscience. It's one of those
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fun... It might be a fun thing.
It is fun.
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That's why we cover it on this
show, because it is fun.
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That's right. Yeah, it's fun
elements. It's exciting. Yeah,
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it's interesting. It's as
interesting as Harry Potter. I
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don't believe Harry Potter's
real. I don't believe the Loch
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Ness Monster is real. It doesn't
stop you enjoying them. But
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then, yeah, it also...
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You've been there three times.
Come on.
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I have been there three times.
Not to Harry Potter, I should
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say, actually, but to Loch Ness
I have been. Yeah, it's great.
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It's a lovely place, too. I
recommend it. Nice little
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restaurants and things. But just
by saying it's fun doesn't mean
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it's bad. And if you believe it
's true, it can actually start
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influencing you in what you do
in life.
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Like astrology is not true. Your
listeners always interested in
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astronomy would probably know
that there's nothing in
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astrology. There's nothing in
the flat Earth theory as well.
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Probably nothing in UFOs, UAPs,
whatever. No evidence,
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certainly. But people follow
astrology. People definitely
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follow astrology and use it to
make their life decisions.
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People are interested in UFOs
and can use that as part of
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their philosophy of
anti-government, everything. And
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that UFOs are here to save us.
Or destroys, depending on your
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point of view. Flat Earth is a
classic conspiracy theory.
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They're trying to cover it up.
It's one of the silliest
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conspiracy theories out there.
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But, I mean, there are things
which are dangerous to people.
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And those things that are fun,
fine, have fun. But what the
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skeptics see, unfortunately, is
these things bending into other
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areas. Conspiracy about UFOs
might be a conspiracy about
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health as well. It might be a
little lean to the same mindset.
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That's Tim Endham from
Australian Skeptics.
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This is Space Time Series 28
episode 63 for broadcast on the
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26th of May 2025. Coming up on
Space Time, the universe to end
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sooner than thought, the weird
wild wacky Gravity of the
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asteroid Bennu, and India to
undertake its first manned space
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flight within two years. All
that and more coming up on Space
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Time.
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Welcome to Space Time with
Stuart Gary.
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A new study claims the universe
could end in 10 to the power 78
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years from now. That's a 1 with
78 zeros behind it, and it is
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much sooner than previously
thought. The findings, reported
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in the Journal Of Cosmology and
Astroparticle Physics, are based
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on the calculations of three
Dutch scientists looking at
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so-called Hawking radiation.
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They calculate that the universe
's last stellar remnants will
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take about 10 to the power of 78
years from now to evaporate, and
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that's much shorter than the 10
to the power 1,100 years
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previously postulated. Hawking
radiation.
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Proposed by Stephen Hawking back
in 1974, is a phenomenon where
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black holes emit thermal
radiation due to quantum effects
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near the event horizon, the
point of no return, beyond which
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an object falls forever into a
black hole singularity. This
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radiation reduces a black hole's
mass, eventually leading to its
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disappearance. Now it works like
this. Quantum physics predicts
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that the vacuum of space isn't
truly empty.
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But rather it contains
constantly fluctuating pairs of
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virtual particles and
antiparticles that literally pop
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in and out of existence. Now,
near a black hole's event
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horizon, these virtual particles
can be separated by the
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singularity's intense Gravity.
If one of these virtual
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particles falls into the black
hole, the other can escape and
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be observed as radiation,
becoming real and effectively
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evaporating the black hole.
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The escaping particle carries or
radiates away energy. Thus
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reducing the black hole's mass.
And the rate of this evaporation
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would depend on the black hole's
mass. Larger black holes have
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lower Hawking temperatures and
evaporate more slowly, while
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smaller black holes have higher
Hawking temperatures and
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therefore evaporate faster.
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Now over time, the continuous
emission of Hawking radiation
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would theoretically lead to the
gradual evaporation of the black
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hole itself. And taking that to
its natural conclusion,
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eventually the black hole's mass
will reach zero. It'll no longer
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exist.
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Now, the new research by black
hole expert Hina Falke, quantum
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physicist Michael Wondrake, and
mathematician Walter Van
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Sulckrum, all from the
University Of Radboud, is a
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follow-up to an earlier 2023
paper by the same trio. Now,
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back in that paper, they showed
that not only black holes, but
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also other objects, such as
neutron stars, can also
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evaporate through Hawking
radiation.
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Now, after that publication, the
authors received heaps of
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questions from scientists about
how long the process would take.
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And they've now answered that
question in this new study. And
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as we mentioned at the top of
the story, the authors have
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calculated that the end of the
universe is about 10 to the
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power of 78 years away, if only
Hawking-like radiation is taken
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into account.
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They base this on the time they
calculated it would take for a
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white dwarf star, the most
common, persistent type of
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celestial bodies in the
universe, to decay through
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Hawking-like radiation. The
problem is previous studies
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didn't take this into account,
putting the lifetime of white
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dwarves at 10 to the power of
1,100 years.
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Now the researchers calculated
that the process of Hawking
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radiation theoretically also
applies to other objects with a
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gravitational field. The
calculations further showed that
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the evaporation time for an
object depends only on its
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density.
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To the author's surprise,
neutron stars and stellar mass
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black holes took the same amount
of time to decay. 10 to the
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power of 67 years. This was
unexpected, because black holes
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have stronger gravitational
fields than neutron stars, which
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should cause them to evaporate
faster. But the thing is, black
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holes have no surface, so they
reabsorb some of their own
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radiation, and that inhibits the
process.
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It's a fascinating study, all
purely hypothetical of course,
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but nevertheless fascinating.
This is Space Time. Still to
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come... The weird, wild, wacky
Gravity of the asteroid Bennu,
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and India to undertake its first
manned spaceflight within two
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years. All that and more still
to come on Space Time.
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Astronomers have examined the
weird Alice in Wonderland-like
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physics that govern Gravity near
the surface of the asteroid
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Bennu. The new findings are
based on data gathered by NASA's
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OSIRIS-REx spacecraft, which
undertook a sample return
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mission to the
half-kilometer-wide near-Earth
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asteroid. The probe was launched
back in 2016, arriving at Bennu
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in 2018.
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He then spent two years studying
the carbonaceous Apollo group
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space rock. Before swooping down
to the surface and grabbing some
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samples for a return to Earth in
2023. During the mission's study
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of Bennu, scientists examined
and mapped its topography, its
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structure, its composition and,
importantly for this story, its
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gravitational pull.
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A report in the journal Nature
Astronomy found the asteroid has
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a mass of 73 billion kilograms.
And the authors also found that
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Bennu exists in the delicate
balance between two competing
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forces, the result of the
asteroid's spin. See, Bennu
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completes a full rotation around
its axis once every four hours.
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That's quite fast.
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Studies lead author Daniel
Shears from the University Of
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Colorado Boulder says those
forces play an important role in
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the asteroid's long-term
evolution and potential demise.
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He says when you spin an
asteroid up, you create a
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competition between Gravity that
's holding things together and
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centrifugal acceleration, which
is trying to pull things apart.
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To study those forces, Shears
and colleagues used OSIRIS-REx's
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navigational instruments to
measure the minute tug that the
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asteroid exerts on the
spacecraft. And in the process,
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they dug up a lot more than they
expected. Now, based on the
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group's calculations, it appears
the region around Bennu's
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equator is trapped within a
gravitational feature known as a
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rotational Roche Lobe.
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And that's something scientists
haven't yet clearly observed on
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an asteroid. Now, the Roche
limit is the point at which the
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gravitational tidal effects of a
large body on a smaller one
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become so powerful as to
overcome the smaller body's own
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internal Gravity, causing it to
fling apart. And she's found
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that that's when things get
weird with Bennu.
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So, now, if you're standing
inside the boundaries of Bennu's
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Roche lobe, and you slipped on,
say, a banana peel, for example,
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then not much would happen.
You'd be captured by the lobe
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and fall back onto the surface.
But if you were outside the
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Roche Lobe and slipped on that
same banana peel, you'd end up
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rolling towards the equator.
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And you could theoretically gain
enough energy to quite literally
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roll off the equator and up into
orbit and then into outer space.
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Now, she admits it all sounds
like the sort of environment
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looks Carol would have
appreciated. But it does matter
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in real life, especially for the
lifespan of Bennu.
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See, that's because radiation
from the sun is causing Bennu to
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spin faster and faster over
time. And as the asteroid's
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rotation builds up speed, its
Roche limit might also be
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shrinking, along with the forces
that are holding the whole thing
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together. And as the Roche Lobe
narrows further around the
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equator, it becomes easier for
the asteroid to lose material.
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Shree says that so far that
material has been trapped by
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Gravity, but at some point if
the asteroid keeps spinning
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faster, then you would wind up
falling off the cliff. In other
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words, Bennu could well be in
the process of spinning itself
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into pieces. And Sri says that's
important because Bennu is one
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of those asteroids which could
one day impact the Earth.
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The main role of the University
Of Colorado on the OSIRIS-REx
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mission is in the radio science
experiment. When we send a
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spacecraft out to this asteroid,
billions and billions of
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kilometers away from the Earth,
the only way we can command it,
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control it, see what it's doing
is by sending radio waves out to
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the spacecraft.
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The main result from radio
science is actually to measure
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the mass and the Gravity field
of this asteroid. Pristine
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material from the very dawn of
the solar system. Bennu has a
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non-negligible probability of
impacting the Earth a few
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hundred years in the future.
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We take our very precise
measurement to determine its
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location accurately enough so we
can say, oh, okay, it's going to
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miss the Earth by a far distance
in the future. If, in fact, that
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's not the case, then we need to
start thinking about, well, how
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would we actually push this
asteroid out of the way?
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You need time and you need to
understand the properties of the
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asteroid.
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That's Daniel Shries from the
University Of Colorado Boulder.
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And this is Space Time. Still to
come, India to undertake its
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first manned spaceflight within
two years. And later in the
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Science Report, archaeologists
excavating the ancient Iraqi
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city of Nineveh have discovered
the Royal Palace's throne room.
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All that and more still to come
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The Indian space research
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attempt to launch its first
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2027. The historic flight will
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of the nation's Gagayan
spacecraft later this year. The
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5.3-tonne capsule is designed to
carry a crew of three into
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low-Earth orbit.
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The spacecraft will be sent into
orbit using an updated version
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of the 59-metre-tall GSLV Mark
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Geosynchronous Satellite Launch
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's also being known as Launch
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So far, four Indian Air Force
pilots have been selected for
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the flight, and they've already
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training in Russia and are now
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specialist training back in
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also been rehearsing conducting
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mission with more simulations
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Meanwhile, an Indian rocket
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Satellite has failed to reach
orbit. The PSLV C-61 launch
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vehicle blasted off from the
Shirakota Space Center on the
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Bay Of Bengal coast, carrying
the EOS-09 spacecraft. ISRO says
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there was a sudden fall in
chamber pressure during the
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third-stage rocket burn,
preventing the payload from
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reaching orbit. An investigation
is now underway. This is Space
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Time.
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And time now to take a brief
look at some of the other
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stories making news in science
this week with the Science
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Report. A new study has found
that herpes simplex 1, the virus
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responsible for cold sores, may
also have a key role to play in
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the development of Alzheimer's
disease.
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The findings, reported in the
British Medical Journal, suggest
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that treatment with antiviral
therapy might be linked to a
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lower risk of the condition. The
authors matched up close to
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350,000 pairs of people, one
diagnosed with Alzheimer's, and
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the other without. Now overall,
they found the likelihood of an
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HSV-1 diagnosis was 80% higher
among those with Alzheimer's.
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They also found that people who
used antiviral medication after
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their diagnosis were 17% less
likely to develop Alzheimer's
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compared to those who didn't use
the treatments. Additionally,
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the authors also looked at the
role of other herpesviruses and
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suggest that both HSV-2 and
varicillin-rooster virus
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infections were also associated
with a heightened risk. Of
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getting Alzheimer's.
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Archaeologists excavating a dig
site in the ancient Iraqi city
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of Nineveh have discovered the
royal throne room of the north
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palace of King Ashurbanipal. The
find includes large portions of
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a monumental stone slab some
five and a half meters long by
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three meters high and weighing
around 12 tons.
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It features a carved relief
depicting the ruler of the
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Assyrian Empire from the 7th
century BCE along with two
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important deities and other
figures. Shown in the centre of
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the recently discovered relief
is King Ashur-Benapal, the last
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great ruler of the Assyrian
Empire. He is flanked by two
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supreme deities, the gods Ashur
and Ishtar, the patron goddess
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of Nineveh.
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Archaeologists believe the
figure suggests that a massive
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winged sun disk was probably
originally mounted above the
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relief. The ancient city of
Nineveh, located near the modern
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Iraqi city of Mosul, is
considered to be one of the most
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important cities of North
Mesopotamia, and under King
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Sennacherib, became the capital
of the Assyrian Empire in the
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late 8th century BCE.
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A new study has found that
native Australian bees living in
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areas where European honeybees
are prevalent wind up having
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fewer female offspring and a
higher death rate in their first
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years of life.
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The findings, reported in the
Journal of the Frontiers in Bee
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Science, studied native bees
living in bee hotels, wooden
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boxes designed for native bees
to rest and breed in. They
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looked at 14 sites around Perth,
looking at whether their
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proximity to introduced bees
impacted various signs of
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fitness.
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The authors say it takes fewer
resources to produce male bees
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compared to female bees, so the
change in sex ratio they
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observed among native bees could
be a sign that the natives are
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struggling to compete for
resources, which in turn makes
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it harder for the next
generation to reproduce because
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there are fewer females in the
area.
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While a source of eternal
frustration for those of us
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fascinated by the wonders of a
universe of science fact, for
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many others, the mysteries of
the supernatural retain a sort
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of magical allure. Now, whether
it's the Bermuda Triangle,
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personality tests, ghost
hunting, crop circles, the Loch
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Ness Monster or Bigfoot, they
all have one thing in common.
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They simply don't live up to the
rigors of actual scientific
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testing. Nevertheless, they all
attract passionate supporters.
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And in fact, even when people
know they're not real, they're
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still often fascinated by the
idea. And Tim Mendham from
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Australian Skeptics says there's
a whole range of reasons why
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this is such a common human
quirk.
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Various reasons, if that be
suggested. One is that people
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want our world to be more
exciting, more glamorous, more
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weird, mysterious. So that's one
thing is the excitement level.
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The other one is the fear level,
that the world's a pretty scary
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place, things happen to you
without any apparent reason.
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I'd like there to be some more
reliable information in the
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world. Then these I don't feel
that the world as it is, as I
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know it, is reliable. I'll tune
into something else which is
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sort of UFOs exist, or the world
is flat, or the stars can decide
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my future, etc. That's another
one, that fear factor.
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The other one is a conspiracy
factor, that anything which is
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associated with established fact
or science or policy must be
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false, because obviously they're
campaigning against us, whether
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it's big government, big pharma,
big science, whatever. Anything
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they say is inherently false,
according to some people, and
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therefore will go to the
opposite.
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If I don't trust the government,
therefore something which is...
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Anti-government must be true,
which is poor logic, but never
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mind. It's never been a major
issue. So the governments are
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trying to block the U.S.A. The
governments are trying to block
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this knowledge or that
knowledge. Therefore, that
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knowledge has...
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Hiding the truth about Bigfoot.
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Well, I don't understand that
one. I don't know why a
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government would actually cover
up Bigfoot. I thought, you know,
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tourism, et cetera, would be a
good thing.
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It's the latest animal planet
Bigfoot story that's doing the
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rounds.
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Yeah, it probably is. I mean,
you know, the inventiveness of
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people to find conspiracies is
never-ending. So there's various
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reasons why we like
pseudoscience. It's one of those
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fun... It might be a fun thing.
It is fun.
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That's why we cover it on this
show, because it is fun.
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That's right. Yeah, it's fun
elements. It's exciting. Yeah,
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it's interesting. It's as
interesting as Harry Potter. I
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don't believe Harry Potter's
real. I don't believe the Loch
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Ness Monster is real. It doesn't
stop you enjoying them. But
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then, yeah, it also...
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You've been there three times.
Come on.
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I have been there three times.
Not to Harry Potter, I should
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say, actually, but to Loch Ness
I have been. Yeah, it's great.
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It's a lovely place, too. I
recommend it. Nice little
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restaurants and things. But just
by saying it's fun doesn't mean
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it's bad. And if you believe it
's true, it can actually start
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influencing you in what you do
in life.
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Like astrology is not true. Your
listeners always interested in
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astronomy would probably know
that there's nothing in
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astrology. There's nothing in
the flat Earth theory as well.
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Probably nothing in UFOs, UAPs,
whatever. No evidence,
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certainly. But people follow
astrology. People definitely
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follow astrology and use it to
make their life decisions.
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People are interested in UFOs
and can use that as part of
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their philosophy of
anti-government, everything. And
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that UFOs are here to save us.
Or destroys, depending on your
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point of view. Flat Earth is a
classic conspiracy theory.
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They're trying to cover it up.
It's one of the silliest
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conspiracy theories out there.
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But, I mean, there are things
which are dangerous to people.
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And those things that are fun,
fine, have fun. But what the
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skeptics see, unfortunately, is
these things bending into other
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areas. Conspiracy about UFOs
might be a conspiracy about
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health as well. It might be a
little lean to the same mindset.
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That's Tim Endham from
Australian Skeptics.
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