Feb. 5, 2026

Dark Sky Victory, Jupiter Redefined, and Monster Sunspot Faces Earth

Dark Sky Victory, Jupiter Redefined, and Monster Sunspot Faces Earth
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Astronomy Daily - S05E31: Dark Sky Victory, Jupiter Redefined, Monster Sunspot

Victory for dark skies as industrial plant near major observatory cancelled • NASA's Juno mission reveals Jupiter is larger and flatter than we thought • 15-Earth-wide sunspot currently facing our planet • Unusual Martian storm reveals subsurface secrets • NASA acknowledges SLS rocket sustainability challenges • How red giant stars destroy their own gas giant planets

Host Anna and Avery discuss six major space stories for Thursday, February 5th, 2026.

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Featured Stories:

• Dark Sky Preservation: Industrial development threatening Canary Islands observatory cancelled

• Jupiter Redefined: Juno mission measurements reveal true size and shape of gas giant

• Solar Activity: Monster sunspot 15 Earths wide faces Earth - viewing safety tips included

• Martian Meteorology: Unusual storm system reveals subsurface features of red planet

• SLS Reality Check: NASA publicly addresses Space Launch System cost sustainability

• Stellar Destruction: Red giants systematically destroy orbiting gas giant planets

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Welcome to Astronomy Daily, your source


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for the latest space and astronomy news.


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I'm Anna.


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>> And I'm Avery. Today is Thursday,


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February 5th, 2026, and we've got a


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great lineup of stories for you today.


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>> We certainly do. We'll be covering a


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major victory for dark sky preservation,


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groundbreaking measurements of Jupiter's


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true size, a monster sunspot currently


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facing Earth, mysterious Martian


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weather, some frank talk from NASA about


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the SLS rocket, and how red giant stars


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destroy their own planetary systems.


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Quite the cosmic menu. But before we


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dive in, a quick reminder that you can


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get more space news and community


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discussion at astronomyaily.io io and


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you can find us on social media @


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astroailyaily pod across all platforms.


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>> All right, let's start with some good


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news for astronomy. Avery, what's


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happening with Earth's darkest skies?


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>> This is a story that really highlights


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how fragile our connection to the night


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sky has become. Anna, astronomers around


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the world are breathing a collective


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sigh of relief after plans for a major


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industrial plant near one of Earth's


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darkest sky locations have been


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cancelled.


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>> Oh, that's wonderful news. Where was


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this proposed plant going to be built?


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>> The development was planned near the Ro


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de los Moshashos Observatory in the


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Canary Islands, which hosts some of the


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most important telescopes in the


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northern hemisphere. This site is


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renowned for having some of the darkest,


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clearest skies accessible to modern


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astronomy, and the proposed industrial


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facility would have introduced


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significant light pollution to the area.


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>> I can imagine the astronomical community


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was pretty concerned. These pristine


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observation sites are becoming


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increasingly rare. Absolutely. What


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makes this particularly significant is


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that it represents a growing recognition


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of the scientific value of dark skies.


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The cancellation came after sustained


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advocacy from the astronomy community


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who emphasized not just the local impact


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but the global scientific importance of


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preserving these observation sites. With


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light pollution spreading worldwide,


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losing access to naturally dark skies


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would be devastating for groundbased


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astronomy. It's encouraging to see that


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science preservation can still win out


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over industrial development. These


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observatories represent decades of


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investment and irreplaceable viewing


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conditions.


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>> Exactly. And it sets an important


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precedent for protecting other


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astronomical sites around the world. The


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International Dark Sky Association has


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noted that this decision could


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strengthen arguments for dark sky


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preservation elsewhere.


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>> Great to hear some positive


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environmental news for a change. Now,


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speaking of observations from those


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pristine sites, let's talk about what


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we've learned about Jupiter. NASA's Juno


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mission has completely redefined our


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understanding of the gas giant size and


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shape, hasn't it?


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>> It really has, Anna. This is one of


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those discoveries that makes you realize


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how much we still don't know about even


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our most familiar planetary neighbors.


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Juno's precise measurements have


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revealed that Jupiter is both larger and


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more oblate than we previously thought.


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When you say oblate, you mean it's


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flattened at the poles, right?


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>> Exactly. All rotating bodies experience


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this to some degree. Even Earth bulges


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slightly at the equator. But Jupiter's


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rapid rotation makes this effect much


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more pronounced. What's new is just how


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pronounced it actually is. Juno's


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gravity measurements have shown that


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Jupiter's equatorial diameter is


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slightly larger than our previous


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estimates, while the distance between


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the poles is actually smaller. The


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planet is basically wider and flatter


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than we realized.


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>> So, what caused this miscalculation? I


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mean, we've been observing Jupiter for


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centuries.


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>> Well, measuring the size of a gas giant


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with no solid surface is trickier than


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it sounds. Earlier measurements relied


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primarily on optical observations,


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essentially looking at where Jupiter's


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atmosphere becomes opaque. But Juno uses


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extremely precise gravity measurements


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as it orbits the planet. By measuring


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tiny variations in how Jupiter's gravity


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affects the spacecraft's trajectory,


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scientists can determine the planet's


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mass distribution with unprecedented


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accuracy.


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>> And I assume Jupiter's rotation plays a


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big role in this shape.


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>> Absolutely. Jupiter rotates once every


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10 hours. That's incredibly fast for


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something so massive. This rapid spin


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creates enormous centrifugal forces that


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push material outward at the equator.


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What Juno has revealed is that this


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effect penetrates much deeper into the


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planet than we thought. The measurements


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suggest that Jupiter's interior


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structure, including how its metallic


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hydrogen layer behaves, is more complex


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than our models predicted.


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>> This probably has implications for


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understanding other gas giants too, both


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in our solar system and around other


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stars. Definitely understanding


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Jupiter's interior helps us refine our


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models of how gas giants form and


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evolve. And since we can't exactly drill


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into Jupiter to see what's inside, these


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gravity measurements are the next best


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thing. Every new piece of data from Juno


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helps us understand not just Jupiter,


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but the entire class of giant planets.


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>> Fascinating stuff. It's amazing that


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after all this time studying Jupiter,


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we're still discovering fundamental


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things about its basic structure. Now,


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let's shift from distant Jupiter to our


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very own sun, which is putting on quite


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a show right now. Avery, there's a


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massive sunspot facing Earth at the


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moment.


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>> There certainly is, Anna, and it's a


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monster. The sunspot currently facing


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Earth spans about 15 Earth diameters


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across. That's roughly 120,000 m. To put


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that in perspective, you could fit 15


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Earths side by side across a single


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sunspot.


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>> That's genuinely hard to wrap your head


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around. And I understand people can


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actually see this with the right


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equipment.


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>> Yes, but this comes with a crucial


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safety warning. Never look directly at


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the sun without proper solar filters.


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This can cause premanent eye damage or


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blindness. However, with proper eclipse


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glasses or solar filters designed


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specifically for solar observation,


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amateur astronomers can spot this


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sunspot fairly easily. It's large enough


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to be visible even with modest


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magnification.


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>> What exactly is a sunspot for our


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listeners who might not know?


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>> Sunspots are regions on the sun's


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surface where powerful magnetic fields


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break through, temporarily suppressing


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the hot convective currents that


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normally transport heat from the sun's


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interior. This makes these regions


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cooler than their surroundings, around


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6,500°


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F, compared to the normal surface


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temperature of about 10,000°.


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That temperature difference is why they


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appear dark against the brighter


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background.


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>> And these magnetic fields, they're what


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solar flares and coronal mass ejections.


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Right.


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>> Exactly. Large complex sunspot groups


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like this one have tangled magnetic


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field lines that can suddenly reconnect


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and release enormous amounts of energy.


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This particular sunspot is being closely


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monitored because of its size and


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complexity. When these magnetic


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structures become unstable, they can


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unleash powerful solar flares and


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potentially hurl billions of tons of


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charged particles toward Earth and


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what's called a coronal mass ejection or


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CME.


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>> Should we be concerned about potential


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impacts on Earth?


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>> Space weather forecasters are definitely


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keeping a close eye on it. A large CME


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directed at Earth could affect


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satellites, power grids, and radio


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communications and could produce aurora


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displays at lower latitudes than usual.


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However, our sun monitoring satellites


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like SOHO and SDO give us advanced


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warning, typically several days before


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CME arrives. So, while this sunspot


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certainly has the potential to be


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active, we have the monitoring


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infrastructure in place to track any


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eruptions and issue warnings if


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necessary. It's one of those reminders


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that we live inside the sun's atmosphere


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in a sense. We're constantly bathed in


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the solar wind.


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>> That's a great way to think about it.


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Earth's magnetic field shields us from


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most of the effects, but we're


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definitely connected to our stars


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activity. And for amateur astronomers,


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it's a rare chance to see solar activity


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on this scale with safe solar viewing


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equipment. All right, from solar weather


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to Martian weather, Avery, there's been


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an unusual storm on Mars that's


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revealing something new about the red


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planet. Yes, and this is a particularly


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intriguing discovery because it


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challenges some of our assumptions about


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Martian meteorology. Researchers have


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observed an unusual storm system on Mars


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that's providing new insights into the


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planet's atmospheric dynamics and what


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lies beneath its dusty surface.


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>> What made this storm unusual? I mean,


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Mars is famous for its dust storms.


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>> True. But this storm exhibited behavior


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that didn't fit our standard models of


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Martian weather patterns. The storm's


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movement and structure suggested it was


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being influenced by subsurface features.


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Essentially, the topology and


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composition beneath Mars' surface was


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affecting how the storm developed and


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moved across the planet.


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>> So, the ground itself is influencing the


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weather. How does that work? It's


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similar to how mountains on Earth affect


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weather patterns. But Mars has some


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unique factors. The thin Martian


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atmosphere, less than 1% of Earth's


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atmospheric pressure, means that surface


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features have a proportionately larger


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impact on atmospheric circulation.


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Additionally, variations in surface


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temperature due to different rock and


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soil composition can create localized


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heating patterns that drive atmospheric


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motion.


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>> And what did the storm reveal about


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what's underground? The storm's behavior


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suggested there are variations in


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subsurface composition that weren't


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previously mapped. By tracking how the


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storm responded to these hidden


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features, scientists could essentially


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use the storm as a probe to detect


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what's below the surface. It's a bit


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like how doctors use ultrasound. You're


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using one thing to indirectly sense


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another.


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>> That's a clever way to gather geological


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information. Are there implications for


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future Mars missions?


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>> Definitely. Understanding these


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subsurface features is important for


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several reasons. First, they could


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indicate locations where subsurface


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water ice might be present. Second, they


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help us understand Mars' geological


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history and how the planet evolved. And


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third, for future crude missions,


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knowing what's underground is essential


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for landing site selection and resource


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utilization. You want to land somewhere


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with access to useful materials.


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>> It's fascinating how atmospheric science


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and geology intersect like this. One


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storm can tell you so much about an


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entire planet.


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>> Exactly. And it's another example of how


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every Mars observation opens new


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questions. The more we learn, the more


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complex and interesting Mars becomes.


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>> Indeed. Now, speaking of complex and


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interesting, let's talk about NASA's


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space launch system. There's been some


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remarkably frank discussion from NASA


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about this rocket's future, hasn't


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there?


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>> Yes. And it's notable precisely because


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NASA officials are rarely this candid


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about program challenges. Anna, for the


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first time, NASA is publicly


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acknowledging what many industry


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analysts have been saying for years. The


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space launch system has fundamental cost


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and sustainability issues that need to


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be addressed.


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>> This is the rocket that's supposed to


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take astronauts back to the moon, part


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of the Aremis program, right?


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>> That's correct. The SLS is the most


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powerful rocket NASA has ever built.


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Designed specifically for deep space


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missions, it successfully launched


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Artemis 1 in late 2022, sending an


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uncrrewed Orion spacecraft around the


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moon. And it's scheduled to launch


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Artemis 2, the first crude lunar mission


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in over 50 years, though that timeline


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keeps shifting.


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>> So, what's the issue? The rocket works,


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doesn't it?


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>> The rocket does work. When it flies, it


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performs beautifully. The problem is the


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economics. Each SLS launch costs roughly


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$4 billion, and the system can only fly


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about once a year with current


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infrastructure. For comparison, SpaceX's


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Starship, which is also designed for


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deep space missions and has crater


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payload capacity, is projected to cost a


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tiny fraction of that per launch and


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could potentially fly dozens of times


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per year.


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>> 4 billion per launch. That's hard to


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justify, especially when alternatives


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exist.


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>> Exactly. And that's what makes these


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recent NASA fatements so significant.


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Administrators are openly discussing the


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elephant in the room, that maintaining


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SLS in its current form may not be


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sustainable for a long-term lunar or


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Mars exploration program. They're


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acknowledging that the program needs to


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either dramatically reduce costs or


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potentially transition to commercial


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alternatives. This must be a difficult


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position for NASA. The SLS represents


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decades of development and enormous


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investment.


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>> It absolutely is. There are also


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political considerations. The SLS


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program supports jobs across multiple


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states and has strong congressional


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backing, but NASA is facing budgetary


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pressure and needs to make realistic


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plans for sustainable exploration. The


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acknowledgement that SLS's costs are


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problematic is a significant shift


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towards having honest conversations


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about the future of deep space


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exploration.


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>> What are the alternatives? Would NASA


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switch to something like Starship


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entirely?


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>> That's one option being discussed,


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though it's complicated. NASA has


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already contracted with SpaceX to


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provide a lunar lander version of


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Starship for Artemis missions. So,


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there's already commercial partnership


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in place. Some proposals suggest using


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commercial heavy lift rockets for cargo


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and potentially even crew, while others


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advocate for a hybrid approach. The


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challenge is that any major change would


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require congressional approval and


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significant replanning of Artemis


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architecture.


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>> It sounds like we're at an inflection


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point for NASA's deep space ambitions.


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>> We really are. This is one of those


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moments where honesty about challenges


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is the first step towards finding


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solutions. The fact that NASA is willing


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to have this conversation publicly,


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suggests they're serious about finding a


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sustainable path forward, even if it


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means difficult decisions about programs


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that have tremendous legacy and


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political support.


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>> Well, we'll certainly be watching how


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this develops. Now, for our final story,


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let's venture into the realm of stellar


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evolution. Avery, red giant stars are


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apparently destroying their own


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planetary systems. They are Anna and


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this research gives us a rather


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apocalyptic preview of what will happen


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to our own solar system in about 5


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billion years. Astronomers have observed


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how red giant stars, stars in their late


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evolutionary stages, systematically


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destroy gas giant planets that orbit too


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close to them.


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>> This is what our sun will eventually


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become, right? A red giant.


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>> Exactly. When stars like our sun exhaust


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the hydrogen fuel in their cores, they


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begin fusing helium and expand


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dramatically. Our sun will eventually


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swell to perhaps 100 times its current


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diameter, likely engulfing Mercury,


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Venus, and possibly Earth. But this


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research focuses on what happens to


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planets that survive the initial


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expansion, particularly gas giants at


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distances similar to Jupiter and


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Saturn's current orbits. Though these


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planets survive the stars expansion, but


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not what comes after.


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>> Precisely. As the star becomes a red


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giant, several destructive processes


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occur. First, the star becomes much more


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luminous. Our sun will eventually be


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about 2,000 times brighter than it is


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now. This intense radiation heats the


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atmospheres of gas giant planets,


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causing them to expand and potentially


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evaporate. Second, red giant stars have


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powerful stellar winds that can strip


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away planetary atmospheres. And third,


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the stars expansion causes tidal forces


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that can alter planetary orbits.


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>> That sounds like a recipe for planetary


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destruction. What exactly did the


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researchers observe?


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>> They studied multiple red giant star


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systems and found evidence of gas giant


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planets in the process of being


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destroyed. In some cases, they detected


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the spectral signatures of planetary


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material being stripped away and falling


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into their host star. In others, they


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found gas giants with highly eroded


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atmospheres, clearly showing the effects


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of their stars evolution. It's like


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watching different stages of the same


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destructive process.


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>> This presumably has implications for our


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understanding of how planetary systems


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evolve over time.


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>> Absolutely. One of the key findings is


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that the habitable zone, the region


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where liquid water could exist, moves


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outward as a star becomes a red giant.


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Moons of Jupiter or Saturn, currently


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frozen ice worlds, might temporarily


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become habitable as our sun swells. But


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this research shows that even if these


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worlds briefly enter the habitable zone,


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the gas giants they orbit are being


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actively destroyed by the dying star.


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It's a very dynamic and ultimately


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doomed situation.


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>> It really puts our solar systems


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long-term future in perspective.


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>> It does. Though I should emphasize we


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have about 5 billion years before any of


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this happens. So there's no immediate


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cause for concern. But it does remind us


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that solar systems, like everything else


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in the universe, have life cycles.


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Understanding these cycles helps us


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interpret what we see around other stars


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and appreciate that the stable longive


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solar system we enjoy is a temporary


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phase in cosmic terms.


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>> A sobering but fascinating look at


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stellar evolution. It's one thing to


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know intellectually that the sun will


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eventually die, but quite another to see


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the detailed process of what happens to


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the planets


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>> exactly. And who knows, in 5 billion


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years, humanity's descendants, if they


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exist, will likely have long since


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relocated to other star systems.


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Understanding how stars age and die is


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actually crucial for picking good


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long-term neighborhoods out in the


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galaxy.


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>> That's a nice optimistic note to end on.


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Well, that's all we have for you today


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on Astronomy Daily.


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