Asteroid 2024 YR4 Threat, Lunar Canyon Formation, and NASA Astronauts’ Early Homecoming: S28E24

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this is spacetime series 28 episode 24


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for broadcast on the 24th of February


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2025 coming up on SpaceTime the odds


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narrowing for an Earth impact by the


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city killer asteroid looking at the


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origins of the moon's Grand Canyons and


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NASA's stranded Starliner astronauts


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coming home earlier than thought all


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that and more coming up on


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SpaceTime welcome to SpaceTime with


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steuart Gary


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Nessa says there's now a 3.1% chance of


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asteroid 2024 yr4 slamming into the


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Earth on December the 22nd


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20132 that translates to odds of 1 in32


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up from the 1 in 43 or 2.3% chance of an


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impact earlier this month and roughly


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three times greater than the original


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estimate of one in 83 or 1.2% first


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calculated 4 weeks ago the 40 to 90 M


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wide asteroid is now the most


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threatening space rock this big ever


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recorded by modern forecasting


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astronomers have estimated its size


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based on its brightness 2024 yr4 is on


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an elongated elliptical orbit around the


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sun it's currently moving away from the


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earth making it more difficult to track


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but it will be back in December 2028


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where scientists will get a good look at


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it and be able to finalize its orbit and


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trajectory the last time an asteroid


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more than 30 m wide posed such a


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significant risk to Earth was apus back


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in 2004 when it briefly had a 2.7%


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chance of Earth impact in 2029 a


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possibility later ruled out by


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additional observations 2024 yr4 was


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first detected on December the 27th last


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year by the old source observatory in


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Chile the international asteroid warning


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Network issued an alarm on January the


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29th after the impact probability cross


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the 1% barrier the agency says if that


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risk Rises to over 10% it'll issue a


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formal warning leading to a


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recommendation for all United Nation


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members who have territories in the


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potential Impact Zone to start


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terrestrial


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preparedness the potential Earth impact


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site lies along an arc running from the


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central eastern Pacific Ocean across


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Northern South America in the Atlantic


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Ocean and equatorial Africa before


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finally ending in Northern India


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Professor Fred judan from the school of


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Earth and planetary Sciences at curtain


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University says that while the odds of


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an impact are still incredibly low the


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threat is not so small that it can be


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easily ignored well I think the latest


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news is really about the increase of


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probability that it's going to smash on


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Earth and uh it's still very very low I


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think I've read a news somewhere that


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there's even a 0.3% chance it would


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impact the moon so it's even lower we


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don't know whether it's a rocky body or


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a rubble pile I guess one of the


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interesting things is issues of


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planetary defense now we've had the dart


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Mission by NASA so we know a little bit


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about planetary defense from an asteroid


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don't we yeah so that that mission was


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absolutely excellent I mean it really


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showed us that by Smashing probe into


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asteroid we can push them but it also


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show us that we don't push them a lot


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right so it takes time to really push an


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asteroid out of the way because the


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probe the weight of the probe is fairly


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low and the mass of the asteroid is


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really high so you need to smash mini


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probe if you want to deflect a beginner


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asteroid now in the case of yr4 it's fa


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small it's between 40 m and 90 M that


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doesn't seem very big but that could


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level easily a city so that's something


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to consider pushing it away destroying


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all this safety measure that people are


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considering and you mentioned the


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structure and this structure is


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absolutely important the structure the


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nature of the asteroid it's very


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important to know what we can do to


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prevent an impact let me give you an


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example if it's a hard Rocky body and


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you try to impact a big enough object or


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even data nuclear bomb there's a huge


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chance that it's going to fragment now


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if it's a rubble pile asterid some study


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we did at curtain really show that if


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you detonate a nuclear B not at the


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surface but near the surface then it


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would withstand the sh and be pushed


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away and maybe this kind of measure this


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kind of approach is more efficient for


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deflecting and steroid very quickly than


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impacting probe over time because in the


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case of yr4 it's going to come back in


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2028 and then again in 2032 and that's


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when it could potentially impact so


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that's a really short amount of time to


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be able to push it out of the way that's


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why it's important to consider all the


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technique we can use to deflect this


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Aster yeah I remember we did an


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experiment like this on a small scale we


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had a boulder and we had a rubble pile


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and we fired a 223 rifle into each of


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them and hit the Boulder and it moved


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the boulder but when the bullet hit the


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rubble pile it just went right through


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and the rubble pile stayed where it was


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it didn't really move the rubble pile


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this is absolutely correct I mean that


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that that's something to to really keep


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in mind is like well if you detonate a


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device at the surface you would fragment


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the big one and then I don't know what


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it would do to the rubble Pile in space


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but the shock wave from something that


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is detonated sufficiently far away you


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know those people they make the


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calculation not too close not too far


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very brilliant engineering and if you do


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that then the verble pile will be easily


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pushed away without theoretically


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fragmenting it because obviously if you


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fragment the asteroid you transform a


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single ball into many many pieces it's


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like instead of a bullet yeah instead of


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a bullet now you got a shotgun spread so


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if it was supposed to be the ocean and


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now you fragment it and now it's going


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to rain on every cities on Earth uh well


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I mean you know not every along the fly


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path yeah yeah yeah along the fly path


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exactly then people are not going to be


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really happy you know less damage but


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still a lot of damage whereas before


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they would have been nothing for this


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particular City so there's really


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ethical concern like that to consider


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let's assume it's a solid body that's


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not going to wear burst that's going to


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cut through the atmosphere it's going to


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go all the way to the surface what sort


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of damage would something that's say 90


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M across do on the planet well that's


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why we call it the city killer not the


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country killer or or the Planet Killer


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because it's it's fairly small actually


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if people want to imagine what it would


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do it's like detonating a powerful


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nuclear bomb it it's the same an impact


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is an explosion it's not really like


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digging a hole it's just an explosion


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and well unfortunately you know in our


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history of humankind we detonate a lot


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of weapon as a test everywhere on the


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planet and uh you know depending where


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it's done it just leave a hole in the


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ground and the hole it would live it


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would be the size of Arizona crater the


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baringer crater which is about 1 kilm


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wide so that's not that big however a


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city would be completely leveled so here


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I I live in purse and we have roughly 2


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million inhabitant and the city would be


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completely destroyed now would have been


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a bit of warning before so people can


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evacuate but still it's really not nice


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to lose a beautiful city like this if


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you want but considering the bigger


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implication not much I mean you know


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it's not like you got to have a nuclear


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winter or anything like that plus


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something that people need to consider


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Earth is covered by about 70% water so


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you get 70% chance he going to land on


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the ocean and the land is about 2%


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inhabited in term of of cities I mean


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you know of course there's people living


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in Bush and stuff like that but in the


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term of city it's about 2% coverage so


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that's not there's very low Chance is


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going to impact on a city much more like


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in the outback or something like that


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well not that it's on the flat plan but


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like you you know related to Australia


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so the chance is really small and I


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would say for scientists you know we we


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almost would hope that it would impact


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so we could study how things happen


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because there's going to be so little


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consequence but again in middle of the


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ocean it's safe in the outback it's safe


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unfortunately if it's on a city that's


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really not good news and that's why we


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need to learn to deflect Aster maybe not


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for this particular case but you know


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for the training purpose not waiting the


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absolute that minute to know how to do


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something and our first test is you know


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is our first practice that's not


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reasonable I would think so using this


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opportunity maybe trying to deflect this


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one that would be interesting and I


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think uh I might be wrong but I think I


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read online that China is interested by


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the prospect of doing that having their


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own dart Mission using another asteroid


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and maybe this one as well so we'll see


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how it goes the other option of course


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is that it is the rubble pile and that


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makes me think more of the tangus like


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event I know what you're saying uh like


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like a big explosion in the sky it's


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still like tangus or chela blinks chela


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blinks was really small it was a small


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was a 10 m in diameter but still you


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know broke a lot of Windows and things


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like that but impact a St like that


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explosion it's really a exponential


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scale so 90 m is not nine times more


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powerful is so many more time powerful


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like I said you know yes 500 time


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yoshima or something like that so that


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that's really decent Rubble pile or not


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I think that would be the same thing if


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the explosion touch the ground okay it's


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one thing but if it explodes in midair


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with the power of nuclear bomb that has


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exactly the same effect on a city that


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still Level it the same way so Rubble


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pile or not it's more for how we going


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to deflect it which is important rather


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than how it's going to impact on Earth


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in my opinion that's Professor Fred


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Jordan from the school of Earth and


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planetary Sciences at curtain University


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and this SpaceTime still to come looking


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at the origins of the moon's Grand


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Canyons and nessa's Stranded astronauts


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now likely to come home a little bit


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early ier than last planned all that and


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more still to come on


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[Music]


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SpaceTime a new study has concluded that


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two gigantic Canyons on the moon were


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most likely carved out by streams of


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impacting asteroids over a space of just


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10 minutes the new findings reported in


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the journal Nature Communications are


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providing fresh insights into an area of


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the Moon which will be crucial in


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upcoming lunar missions the Schrodinger


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impact Basin with an estimated age of


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3.81 billion years is located in the


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outer margin of the moon's 2,400 km


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diameter South Pole atken Basin that's


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one of the largest impact basins in the


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solar system the Schrodinger Basin


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itself is surrounded by canyons and


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Ravines created by by streaks of Rocky


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debris known as ejector rays that were


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flung out during an impact event two


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spectacular canyons in the complex are


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valis Schrodinger and valis plank these


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massive canyons are comparable in size


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to North America's Grand Canyon with


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Schrodinger measuring some 270 km long


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and 2.7 km deep while plank is even


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larger at 280 km long and 3.5 km deep


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however the exact nature of their


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formation had always been unclear on


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until now the new research is based on


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images of the moon's surface used to


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generate new topographic maps which were


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then used to calculate flow directions


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and speed of the debris ejected during


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the canyon forming impact event and


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these data could then be used to model


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how the ejector rays were formed the


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study's authors proposed that these


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lunar Grand Canyons were carved out of


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the lunar crust in less than 10 minutes


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by ejector traveling at speeds of


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between 0.95 and 1.28 km


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m/s they calculate that the energy


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needed to create these massive Canyons


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would have been over 130 times the


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energy of all the current Global


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inventory of nuclear weapons rather than


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flying out symmetrically the work


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suggest that the majority of the


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excavated debris was asymmetrically


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distributed away from the poles the


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shrer impact Basin is close to the


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exploration zone for the upcoming


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Artemus man moon mission so these


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findings will have important


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implications for future Luna missions


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possibly offering insights into the


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composition of potential Landing zones


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this SpaceTime still to come Nas's


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stranded astronauts Cy Williams and


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Butch Wilmore who have been stuck aboard


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the International Space Station since


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June last year could be returning home


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earlier than currently planned and later


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in the science report it's official


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linia has finally arrived in the Eastern


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Pacific Ocean all that and more still to


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come on SpaceTime


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[Music]


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Nessa astronauts Sunni Williams and


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Butch Wilmore have been stranded aboard


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the International Space Station since


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June last year could end up returning


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home earlier than currently planned


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that's because SpaceX is looking at


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swapping the dragon capsules for its


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next twom man missions to the orbiting


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Outpost the that would see the crew 10


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Mission launch on March 12 two weeks


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earlier than previously slated Wilmore


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and Williams have now been stranded on


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the space station for over 8 months on


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what should have been an 8 to 10day


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mission after problems developed with


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the thrusters aboard their Boeing styl


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on a spacecraft which was undertaking


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its first man test flight NASA were


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concerned about safety issues with the


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spacecraft and Boeing eventually decided


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to return the spacecraft to Earth


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unmanned it ended up safely landing on


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the Whit Sand Missile range after the


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new crew 10 arrives on station Wilmore


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and Williams will return to Earth with


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the current crew 9 team aboard their


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dragon capture which will be fitted with


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two additional couches for the


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astronauts this is


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[Music]


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spacetime and time now to take a a brief


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look at some of the other stories making


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news in science this week with a science


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report well after 7 months of waiting L


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the cooler and wetter sister of El Nino


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has finally arrived in the Eastern


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Pacific Ocean however a report by Noah


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the national oceanographic and


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Atmospheric administration's climate


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Prediction Center has warned that Lenin


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may not stick around for very long with


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the Pacific likely to return to neutral


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conditions either next month or in April


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part of the elino Southern oscillation


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or Enzo cycle Lenin appears when


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energized easterly Trade Winds intensify


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the upwelling of cooler water from the


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depths of the Eastern tropical Pacific


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causing a large scale cooling of surface


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waters in the eastern and Central


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Pacific Ocean near the equator the


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stronger than usual Trade Winds also


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push warmer equator Waters westwards


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towards Australia and Asia and this


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dramatic cooling of the ocean surface


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layers affects the Atmosphere by


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modifying moisture content right across


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the Pacific the new report has confirmed


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that Lin conditions are now present it


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measured sea surface temperature 0.7 de


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C below average in an area of the


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tropical Pacific known as the Nino 3.4


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region and the signature of Lenin is


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also visible in the Central and Eastern


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Pacific Ocean as areas of lower than


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average water levels that's because


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cooler water contracts lowering sea


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levels conversely warmer water expands


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increasing them linia causes shifts in


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the path of mid latitude jet streams in


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ways that intensify rainfall in some


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regions and bring drought to others in


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the Western Pacific for example rainfall


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usually increases over Australia and


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Indonesia clouds and rainfall become


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more sporadic over the Central and


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Eastern Pacific Ocean which can lead to


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dry conditions in Brazil Argentina and


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other parts of South America and wter


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conditions over Central America in North


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America cooler and stormier conditions


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often sit in across the Pacific


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Northwest while the weather typically


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becomes warmer and drier across the


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Southern United States and across


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northern Mexico


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a new study warns that if you lose your


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sense of smell or taste in adulthood


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especially for saltiness and sourness


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you may well be a risk of dying


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prematurely the findings reported in the


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Journal of the American Medical


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Association followed 7,340 people for


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around 6 to 7 years 662 of whom reported


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losing their sense of taste now during


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the study period 1,1 of those


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participating died resulting in a


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background chance of dying of 14% or


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around one in seven people but for those


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who lost their sense of taste the risk


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of dying during the study period was


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around 47% higher or around 1 in five


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the biggest increases in death risk were


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among those who stopped being able to


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sense salty tastes as well as among men


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who stopped being able to taste sourness


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and among women who sto being able to


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taste bitterness and that increased risk


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of death was seen even among people who


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had lost their sense of taste but whose


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sense of smell had remained intact so it


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seems although it's yet to be proven


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that a loss in taste could serve as a


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simple way of scanning high-risk


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populations in order to determine who's


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at risk of dying prematurely now all


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we've got to do is work out why the


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association seems to be


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there paleontologists have Rewritten the


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evolution of dinosaurs after discovering


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fossils of the world's oldest known Mega


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raptoid and the first evidence of


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karadon Sids in Australia the findings


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reported in the Journal of vertebrate


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paleontology has has changed the history


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of theropod dinosaurs uncovering a


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predator hierarchy unique to Cretaceous


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Australia the research describes five


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therapod fossils discovered along


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Victorious Coastline Unearthed in the


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upper stres Lei group between 121.4 and


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118 million years ago and from the umel


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formation on the Otway Coast between 113


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and 108 million years ago these fossils


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are offering scientists new insights


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into Victoria's ancient ecosystems it


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was a time dominated by large powerful 6


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to 7 m long mear Rapids smaller 2 to 4 M


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long karadon SIDS and small agile meter


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long Southern Raptors the discovery also


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shows how Victorious Predator hierarchy


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diverge from South America where karadon


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aaids reach Tyrannosaurus Rex likee


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sizes up to 13 M toing over the mega


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raptoid but in Victoria the roles were


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reversed highlighting the uniqueness of


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Australia's Cretaceous ecosystem


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a fraudster who claimed to be able to


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cure a range of illnesses using a


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so-called slapping therapy has been


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jailed for 10 years in the UK after one


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of his patients died Tim mum from


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Australian skeptic says the con man had


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used the same scam in Australia where


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another patient died sling therapy is


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one of those treatments for disease Etc


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which people make up oh I've got a good


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idea maybe we should try this there is


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something close to it but not quite the


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same has been around a while called


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tapping therapy you tap parts of the


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body just tapping with sort of like two


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fingers and that's supposed to help your


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health no evidence of that but there's


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the one which is a lot more serious than


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that it's slapping as in literally


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slapping the face and slapping the body


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hard and it's sort of developed by a


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Chinese fellow named honi XO and he was


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doing it in the UK he came to Australia


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and was doing it there what He suggests


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is is that this is better than


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medication this has a real effect he


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says and it's better than medication and


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in some instances specific instances


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people who need insulin have been told


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not to take it and when you don't take


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insulin and you have a bad case of


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diabetes it can have immediate or very


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short almost instantaneous effects and


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what happens is that if you continue not


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to use it it can be fatal and that's


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exactly what happened in Australia with


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a young lad I think was 10 years old his


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parents were going through the slapping


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I don't know if the kid was but the


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parents wereth and this person was


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suggesting don't take insulin it's bad


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for you the slapping will do all the


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things you needs to do so they stopped


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the insulin for the kid and then pretty


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soon within a few days he was rushed off


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the hospital and he died in a most


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agonizing horrible way you start off


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vomiting that coughing up bile all sorts


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of terrible things happened so he was


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charged in Australia he was found guilty


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sentenced for 10 years but he got off on


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appeal mainly because of of legal


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technicality not because he was not


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guilty of slapping in the way but just


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that saying the trial wasn't exactly as


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it should have been and therefore


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they're going to have a retrial but in


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the meantime he had actually moved to


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England and was doing the same thing


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there and with the same result of


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another older woman there who was


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suffering from diabetes and she thought


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he was a messenger from God which is the


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way he portrays himself and and same


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problem insulin stopped and dies in in a


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terribly agonizing way so he's moved


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around from place to place and doing the


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same sort of thing and now been thrown


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in jail in the UK sounds like a silly


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thing seconding someone for medical


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reasons yeah you get a red cheek and


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might be a bit painful to you know what


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harm can it do well it can kill you


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that's Tim mum from Australian Skeptics


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