Antimatter’s Cosmic Clue, Dark Matter Detection Breakthrough
SpaceTime Series 28 Episode 42
The Astronomy, Space and Science News Podcast
Unraveling Antimatter Mysteries, New Techniques to Detect Dark Matter, and Insights into the Spectrum Rocket Failure
In this episode of SpaceTime, we dive into groundbreaking discoveries at the Large Hadron Collider, where physicists have identified a significant difference in the decay behaviors of ordinary matter and antimatter. This finding could provide vital clues to understanding why our universe is dominated by matter despite the Big Bang's creation of equal amounts of both. We explore the implications of these results and how they align with the Standard Model of particle physics.
Innovative Approaches to Dark Matter Detection
Next, we discuss an innovative new technique developed by researchers at the University of Queensland to detect dark matter using atomic clocks and cavity-stabilized lasers. This cutting-edge approach aims to uncover the elusive nature of dark matter, which constitutes about 80% of the universe yet remains largely a mystery. We examine how this method could lead to new insights into the distribution and properties of dark matter.
Spectrum Rocket Launch Failure Investigation
Additionally, we analyze the recent failure of the Spectrum rocket during its inaugural launch from Norway. Investigators are looking into the causes of the incident, which involved thrust vectoring oscillations leading to the rocket's loss of control. We discuss potential technical issues and what this means for future European orbital launches.
00:00 Space Time Series 28 Episode 42 for broadcast on 7 April 2025
00:49 Discovery of decay differences between matter and antimatter
06:30 Implications for understanding the universe's matter dominance
12:15 New techniques for detecting dark matter
18:00 Using atomic clocks for dark matter research
22:45 Analysis of the Spectrum rocket failure
27:00 Summary of recent scientific developments
30:15 Science report: Southern Ocean warming impacts
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00:00 - Space Time Series 28 Episode 42 for broadcast on 7 April 2025
00:49 - Discovery of decay differences between matter and antimatter
06:30 - Implications for understanding the universe’s matter dominance
12:15 - New techniques for detecting dark matter
18:00 - Using atomic clocks for dark matter research
22:45 - Analysis of the Spectrum rocket failure
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Language: en
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this is Spaceime Series 28 episode 42
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for broadcast on the 7th of April
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2025 coming up on Spaceime another clue
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helping to pry open the door to the
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antimatter universe a new technique to
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try and detect dark matter and what
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caused the Spectrum rocket to fail all
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that and more coming up on Spaceime
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welcome to Spaceime with Stuart
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Garry
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[Music]
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physicists have discovered a fundamental
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difference in the decay behaviors of
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ordinary matter particles and their
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antimatter counterparts this discrepancy
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is important because it could help bring
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scientists a step closer to
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understanding how everything in the
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universe came to be the findings by the
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LHCB detector at the Large Adron
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Collider reveals a significant
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difference in decay rates between the
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ordinary matter and antimatter versions
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of the beauty lambda baron lambda barons
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are a family of subatomic hydron
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particles containing an up quark a down
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quark and a third quark from a higher
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flavor generation in this case a bottom
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or beauty quark quarks are elementary
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subatomic particles and fundamental
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constituents of matter they're found
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inside larger particles like protons and
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neutrons which are the components of
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atomic nuclei quarks come in six types
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known as flavors these are the up down
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top bottom or beauty charm and strange
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the up and down quarks have the lowest
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masses and heavier quarks rapidly change
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into up and down quarks through a
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process of particle decay the authors
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studied the decay of a lambda b baron
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into a proton and three mison which are
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particles containing a quark and an
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anti-quark in this case the three mison
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consisted of a kon and two pions the
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authors found the rate of decay was
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slightly different compared to that of
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its antimatter counterpart now the
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probability of a significant discrepancy
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in decay rates between the ordinary
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matter and antimatter versions the
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beauty lambda barriion occurring just by
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chance are calculated to be less than 1
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in 3 million in other words this is the
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first result to cross a key statistical
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threshold for a discovery in physics
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known as five sigma the findings
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reported on the pre-press physics
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website archive.org or are based on an
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analysis of data collected by the LHCB
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detector between 2009 and 2018 it aligns
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with predictions from the standard model
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of particle physics the foundation stone
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for science's understanding of the
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universe and it offers a potential clue
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to the long-standing cosmic mystery of
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why the cosmos contains more matter than
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antimatter see the standard model
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suggests that antimatter is the same as
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ordinary matter but with opposite charge
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par and time so the antimatter
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equivalent of the positively charged
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proton is the negatively charged
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antiproton and the antimatter
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counterpart to the negatively charged
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electron is the positively charged
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positron the standard model also
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suggests that equal amounts of each were
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created during the birth of the universe
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in the big bang 13.8 billion years ago
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the trouble is we know ordinary matter
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and antimatter annihilate each other
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once they come into contact and that
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means the universe should have
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disappeared in a blast of purple gamma
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radiation virtually as soon as it formed
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and this clearly didn't happen now
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antimatter does occur through natural
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processes like cosmic ray collisions and
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some types of radioactive decay but only
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a tiny fraction of these have
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successfully been bound together in
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experiments to form antiatoms minuscule
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numbers of antiparticles can be
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generated in particle accelerators but
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total artificial antimatter production
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has so far only ever achieved a few
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nanogs so for some as yet unknown reason
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we live in a universe dominated by
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ordinary matter with antimatter only
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ever appearing very fleetingly before
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being annihilated but some particles
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disobey this matter antimatter symmetry
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it's a phenomenon known as charge par or
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CP violation previously scientists have
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only ever seen CP violation in mison
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therefore there's got to be some
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additional fundamental unknown
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differences between ordinary matter and
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antimatter which has allowed ordinary
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matter to come to dominate the cosmos
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and knowing this explains why we're here
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the Large Hadron Collider or LHC is
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located at CERN the European
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Organization for Nuclear Research it's a
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27 km long ring buried roughly 100 m
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beneath the Franco Swiss border near
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Geneva the L8C includes four massive
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underground caverns which house four
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primary detectors known as Atlas Alice
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CMS and LHCB
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packets of protons or rather subatomic
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particles are accelerated to within
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99.9999% the speed of light in opposite
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directions in two particle beam lines
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around the ring guided by cryogenically
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cooled superconducting magnets and the
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beam lines intersect at any of these
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four detectors colliding the particle
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packets at up to 13 terra electron volts
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in the process creating the sorts of
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conditions pressures and temperatures
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that occurred just after the big bang
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this is spacetime still to come a new
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technique to detect dark matter and we
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look at the possible causes for the
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spectrum rocket failure last week all
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that and more still to come on Spaceime
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[Music]
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scientists have developed a new
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innovative approach to try and uncover
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the secrets of dark matter using atomic
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clocks and cavity stabilized lasers dark
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matter is a mysterious invisible
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substance which makes up about 80% of
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all matter in the universe trouble is
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scientists have no idea what it is they
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know it exists because they can see its
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gravitational interaction with normal
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so-called barionic matter that's the
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stuff that stars planets trees cars
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houses dogs cats and people are made
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from one of the studies authors Ashley
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Cadell from the University of Queensland
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says that despite many theories and
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experiments scientists are yet to
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understand dark matter cadell says her
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new study reported in the journal
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Physical Review Letters uses a different
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approach analyzing the data from a
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network of ultrastable lasers connected
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by optical fiber cables as well as from
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two atomic clocks aboard GPS satellites
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she says in this case dark matter is
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acting like a wave because its mass is
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extremely low so Cadellan colleagues use
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the separator clocks to try and measure
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changes in the wave which would look
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like the clocks displaying different
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times or ticking at slightly different
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rates and this effect gets stronger as
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the clocks are further
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apart the authors were able to search
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for forms of dark matter that had been
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invisible in previous searches because
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it emits no light or energy i mean we
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still don't know what it is but at least
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we can see what it's doing she says that
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by comparing precision measurements
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across vast distances the team could
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identify the subtle effects of
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oscillating dark matter fields that
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would otherwise cancel themselves out in
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conventional setups they were able to
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search for signals from dark matter
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models that interact universally with
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all atoms something that's eluded
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traditional experiments cadill says the
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research means scientists will now be
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able to investigate a broader range of
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dark matter scenarios and perhaps even
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answer some very fundamental questions
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about the fabric of the universe so
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there have been like quite a lot of
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experiments to be honest for a while the
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type of dark matter that everyone was
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looking for was called wimps so it's
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weekly interacting massive particles and
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the way that you look for those is
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similar to the way that the older
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neutrino detector experiments work so
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the basic idea is like you can't see
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dark matter you can't hear it or
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anything like that but it's sort of the
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same idea as if you literally couldn't
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see anything you're just kind of feeling
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around in the dark and waiting for
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something to hit you it's pretty much
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the same idea for the experiments right
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so for the nutrino ones and also for the
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newer dark matter ones what they do is
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just get kind of just a big vat of
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liquid or a gas or even both sometimes
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and they just wait for things to hit it
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it's quite literally like you can't see
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anything so just sit and wait and if
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anything hits it then it might give you
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a little bit of light you got photo
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receptors which then pick that up yes
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yeah exactly usually you have a big
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array of photo detectors like on the top
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and bottom of these things and if you
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get that little bit of light it goes
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that was a photon so that's a detection
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but unfortunately none of those have
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really found anything so far anyway they
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kind of just keep building better and
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better ones because it could just be
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that we're just missing it or it's just
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not sensitive enough yet so there have
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been some other really cool experiments
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as well such as like if you're looking
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for axons you make this thing called a
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heliocope or a haloscope and it's sort
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of a similar principle but it's a little
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bit more complicated so axons they do a
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very odd thing where if they're exposed
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to like a I think a magnetic field or an
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electric field then you can see it but a
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lot of the there are so so many
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experiments to be honest people are very
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creative in this field course with axons
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is we still don't know whether they're
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real or not yeah yeah that's that's the
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problem with most of these particles to
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be honest we we do just kind of keep
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coming up with new dark matter models
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and trying to think up experiments for
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them it's honestly it's a very creative
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field to be honest but it is quite
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difficult and the problem is we know
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dark matter is real because we can see
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its influence on regular barionic matter
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so exactly it affects the way galaxies
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revolve it affects the way we can see
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more distant objects through
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gravitational lensing and that that
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raises an interesting point because it
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has gravity it must have mass and we
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know that mass slows down time yeah
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exactly so it's Yeah it's seen pretty
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much only through its effects through
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gravity so you know we don't see it in
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any telescopes no matter what wavelength
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we're looking at we only ever see it
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through how it affects other things and
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it's basically just galaxy glue right so
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if we didn't have any dark matter all of
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our spiral galaxies would just kind of
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be ripped apart because they seem to be
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moving a lot well rotating a lot faster
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than they should be for how much how
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many stars we can see in there so
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without dark matter it's all a bit of a
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mess this is where your research comes
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in yeah so we were kind of thinking um
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in a little bit of a different range
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than the usual dark matter experiments
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so people have been looking more towards
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some more interesting models in the last
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couple of years so people have been
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looking because the the WIMP models are
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usually quite high mass everyone's been
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sort of going down to the opposite mass
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scale so we were looking at ultra light
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dark matter which is so so lightweight
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that it starts to behave more like a
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wave than a particle because with really
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lightweight particles you have to still
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match the the amount of dark matter that
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we know is in the universe so if it's
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really lightweight that means there has
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to be way way more of it and so we kind
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of just get sort of I think of it as
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kind of like a a mesh over the entire
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universe that just has like little waves
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in it but to look for that is a little
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bit interesting so there are quite a few
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experiments using atomic clocks and
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stuff so what we were trying to do was
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essentially see if we could try to
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detect dark matter with two separated
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atomic clocks and what's cool about this
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is those already exist so there's a big
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fiber network in all of Europe so it
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starts in London at the National Physics
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Lab and it goes all the way to PTB in
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Germany and with that there's atomic
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clocks at each point along there and
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well a couple of them but the important
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ones are at the start and the end cuz
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that's where you get the maximum
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separation so biggest distance between
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them but what's cool also is that you
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probably know that there's atomic clocks
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on GPS satellites now they're not quite
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as accurate as the ones that NPL and PTV
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have but they are massive distances
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apart so we were trying to basically use
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these clocks to check if there was any
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ultra light dark matter because what it
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would look like is just these two clocks
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ticking at a different rate or just
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having a different time displayed on
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them so if there was a difference in
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that then it could be that dark matter
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was interacting with the atoms in these
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atomic clocks and what's happened so far
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what's happened so far is that we didn't
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see anything which pretty much is kind
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of the state of dark matter research is
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trying to figure out what dark matter
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isn't so you might have heard of like uh
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people saying constraints a lot and
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constraints just means we've kind of
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tightened the area that we're looking
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for with dark matter and we were looking
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for a slightly different uh coupling so
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a different type of interaction this
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time so we've got newer constraints on
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this type of interaction which is really
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quite cool because it just means that
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we're looking at a slightly different
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model to what you usually search for so
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unfortunately I can report that we
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haven't detected dark matter but what's
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actually really cool about this
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experiment is that it would be really
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useful in the case where dark matter is
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already detected so what's nice about
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having massively spatially separated
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atomic clocks is that you actually end
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up sensitive to spatial distribution of
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dark matter which means that like we
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know that dark matter exists but we
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don't actually know how it's distributed
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throughout any of the galaxies right so
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we don't know if it's I don't know if it
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clumped together we don't know if it's
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just completely uniformly spread out and
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what's really nice is that when you have
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an experiment that is both separated in
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space and time you can actually probe
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those differences so like you can try to
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work out what the spatial distribution
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is which would be useful in the case of
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say we had a terrestrial detection of
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dark matter but we want some more
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information we can then use these
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separated atomic clocks to figure out
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what that dark matter distribution
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actually looks like which is really
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quite cool in my opinion because that's
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one of the problems we don't know
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whether it's part of the actual fabric
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of spaceime or whether it's just in big
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clumps and that's where galaxies then
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form yeah yeah exactly like there's a
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lot of um well there's a lot of research
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into like large scale structure and it
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seems to be that like where dark matter
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forms on large scales is exactly where
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the galaxies end up but the problem is
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we don't know the the small scale
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structure stuff so how it settles in a
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galaxy we know that it settles where
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galaxies are so we will get a massive
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clump of dark matter and then the galaxy
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will form on top of that but how it's
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actually distributed when you look in
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way way closer inside the galaxy is more
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of a mystery there's a lot of there's a
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lot of theories and some people just
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kind of make uh assumptions to go with
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the most popular one but it is kind of
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an interesting field to really look into
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yeah because some of the observations
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have been counterintuitive too haven't
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they we for a while there there was a
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lot of talk about dark matter is more
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dominant in dwarf galaxies and yet when
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we look at dwarf galaxies some of them
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seem to be very breath of dark matter
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yeah there um honestly I usually look at
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like spiral galaxy stuff so I'm not the
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expert on different types of galaxies
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that's for sure but I do know that at
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least when I was doing a lot of my
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undergrad they teach us about different
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types of galaxies and there was one that
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I didn't really expect was that
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ellipsoid galaxies or like some type
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have are just like almost entirely dark
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matter which is which was a little bit
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insane to me so what's happening next
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where do we take this well I mean that's
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a good question there are basically just
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more atomic clocks to make like the more
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accurate that you get an atomic clock
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the better it will be at detecting these
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things so like atomic clocks are already
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extremely accurate if you know much
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about like the watch industry like
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quartz watches were kind of a big thing
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because they only lose like 1 second
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every couple of months or a couple of
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years if it's a really good one but the
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current atomic clocks the ones that are
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the best if they had been made at like
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the big bang at the start of the
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universe they wouldn't have lost a
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second yet which is really quite amazing
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so that affords a lot of accuracy but we
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can actually make them better if it just
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continues on atomic clocks are going to
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get much much better and when you have
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way more precise equipment it's just
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going to make the experiment better
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itself so the next stage I guess would
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be with one a better atomic clock and
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two even more spatially separated so
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what was something quite cool that we
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found in our experiment was that the
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signal strength actually was directly
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proportional to the distance between
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clocks which means that you can just
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scale this experiment up further and
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further by moving those clocks further
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and further apart that's Ashley Cadell
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from the University of Queensland and
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this is spacetime still to come we look
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at what could have caused the Spectrum
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rocket failure and later in the science
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report a new study shows that the
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Southern Ocean's warming may be
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affecting rainfall and drought
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conditions in the tropics all that and
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more still to come on Spaceime
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[Music]
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investigators are working to try and
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determine the cause of last week's
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launch failure of a Spectrum rocket the
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Spectrum was launched from the Andory
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Spaceport on Norway's northwestern coast
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on what should have been the first ever
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orbital rocket launch from mainland
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Europe the 28 m tall two-stage launch
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vehicle built by German company is
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Aerospace was on its first test flight
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the launch is designed to carry up to
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1,000 kg into low Earth orbit and 700
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kilos into the sun's synchronous polar
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orbits but there was no payload on this
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first test flight now as we've said
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previously on the show space is hard so
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while the investigation's continuing
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let's speculate as to what's likely to
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have gone wrong after watching the
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launch repeatedly both in regular and
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slow-mo speeds we can see that the
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rocket was already experiencing thrust
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vectoring oscillations from shortly
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after its launch and those oscillations
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appear to amplify as the engine's gimbal
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during the ascent roll over maneuver
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some 18 seconds after liftoff in fact if
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you look closely the oscillations appear
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to be generating a self-perpetuating
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amplifying loop increasing the problem
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and eventually leading to the vehicle
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tumbling and veing sideways out of
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control at an altitude of around 500 m
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now at this point mission managers
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terminated engine power there was no
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overall self-destruct system by
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terminating engine power it allowed the
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rocket to plummet back down and into the
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sea now the rocket didn't actually
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explode in the sky it only detonated
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once it hit the water now all this
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suggests some type of issue with the
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sensor inputs from the guidance system
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to the gimbals which were then amplified
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during the rollover maneuver well at
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least that's what it looks like needless
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to say we'll know more in the weeks to
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come this is
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[Music]
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spacetime and time now to take a brief
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look at some of the other stories making
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news in science this week with the
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science report there are new warnings
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today that the Southern Ocean's warming
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may have a more dramatic effect on
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rainfall and drought in the tropics than
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warming from the Arctic Ocean the
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findings reported in the journal Nature
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Communications are based on computer
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simulation climate models while Arctic
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warming has been studied extensively the
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Southern Ocean has been warming more
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slowly and is less well understood the
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authors found that just 1° C of Southern
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Ocean warming could affect tropical
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rainfall to the same extent as 1 and a
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half° C of Arctic Ocean warming the
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authors also investigated the effects of
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southern ocean warming on specific
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tropical regions finding that it could
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increase rainfall in northeastern Brazil
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while making drought risk worse in the
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Shahil region of subsaharan
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Africa scientists have developed the
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world's smallest temporary pacemaker a
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report in the journal Nature claims the
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device which is smaller than a grain of
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rice was capable of regulating a
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heartbeat during tests of its
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effectiveness in human heart tissue the
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tiny pacemaker incorporates electrodes
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that generate an electrical current when
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exposed to body fluids that eliminates
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the need for an external power source or
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lead wires and reduces the risks that
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come with external power supplies and
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invasive surgery once no longer required
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the device simply breaks down and is
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absorbed by the body the authors say
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this offers a safer alternative for
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smaller body sizes or for those who may
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not be able to handle invasive surgery
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such as fragile newborns with heart
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defects researchers have discovered that
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miso made in space has a nuttier more
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roasted flavor than when it's made on
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the Earth's surface the findings
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reported in the journal Ice Science are
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based on a study which sent a small
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container of fermenting soybeans and
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salt they're the ingredients of the
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traditional Japanese condiment miso to
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the International Space Station the
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ingredients then spent 30 days
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fermenting in space before being
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returned to Earth and it was then
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compared to two batches of miso made at
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the same time on the ground analysis
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found that the space miso fermented
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successfully but that there were notable
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differences in the bacterial communities
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present in the misos and that the space
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fermented miso had a more roasted nutty
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flavor than the earth miso while still
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maintaining its classic salty unami
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flavor that people know and
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love there's a growing trend in some
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parts of Indian culture promoting the
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consumption of bovine urine and feces as
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a form of alternative medicine for
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medicinal purposes the problem is
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there's no scientific evidence to
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support claims that consuming these
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items has any beneficial effect in fact
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the research suggests that it can
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introduce dangerous bugs toxins and
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other harmful substances potentially
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causing infections especially
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antibioticresistant bacteria tim Mendum
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from Australian Skeptics says that
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despite the dangers this practice is
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being strongly promoted by some dubious
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academics and politicians india's got a
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lot of alternative medicine things that
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that are sort of quite embedded in
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society ayurveda medicine is basically
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the herbal alternative medicine of India
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it's got a lot of different aspects to
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it and it's actually often endorsed by
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the World Health Organization the
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director of the Indian Institute of
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Technology in Madras has been saying
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that he drinks to urine and that it can
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cure ailments like fever and irritable
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bowel syndrome in fact they take it even
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further and say it can cure a whole
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range of different conditions the
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problem with cow urine it's got a lot of
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impurities in it it's probably got ecoli
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in it which can cause you a lot of
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problems starting with diarrhea and
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getting worse from there now they also
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say cow dung you know you mix a bit of
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cow urine and cow dung pats mix it up
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together and that can cause all sorts of
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disease there are things in cow dung
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course there's often lava in there you
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know of tapeworms and that sort of stuff
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and you're swallowing cow dung yes he's
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probably swallowing those as well so
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it's not going to do your body any good
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it probably can actually do your body
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major harm your brain your muscles your
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eyes all sorts of things but this has
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been endorsed by at least one director
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of a university and it's also endorsed
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by a lot of political leaders who are
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not necessarily medically trained or
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even medically literate but politicians
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within the Indian government a lot of
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them are promoting Ayda it's almost like
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being seen as an alternative to
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traditional Chinese medicine they're
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trying to get market share in other
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words there's a group called the
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doctor's association for social equality
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and there are other sort of doctor
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groups who are actually campaigning
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actively to say stop doing this it is
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dangerous that you are promoting this
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out there treatment for medical
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conditions which is purely based on some
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sort of uh spiritual healing techniques
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that have no bearing that that that
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don't work sorry Avita sorry you know of
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Indian population a lot of people sort
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of swear by it but these things are not
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only won't help you they very might harm
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you and that's the thing e coli will
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cause all sort of things these lava will
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cause all sorts of things drinking our
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urine chowing down on a on a cow pad is
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not advised that's tendum from
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Australian skeptics
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