Alien Objects, Seismic Signals & Mars Missions: #505 - Investigating Cosmic Curiosities | Space...

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hello again thanks for joining us this


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is Space Nuts I'm your host Andrew


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Dunley and always good to have your


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company uh coming up we have got plenty


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uh we're going to talk about an alien


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object that turned out not to be as


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alien as they thought it was just


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depends who was driving I suppose uh


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some planets have been found U orbiting


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a nearby star can you guess which one if


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you haven't read it in the news you're


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probably wrong or you could be right and


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Starship headed to Mars and if we got


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time we'll U we'll be talking about a


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couple of other things as well that's


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all coming up on Space Nuts 15 seconds


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5 5 4 3 Space Nuts asut report feels


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good joining us once again is Professor


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Fred Watson astrom at large hello Fred


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hello Andrew excellent to see you it


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it's good to see you too nice shirt pink


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going with pink pink today yeah it's um


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it's actually turned chilly hair here in


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uh Sydney we we had 37 degrees yesterday


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as I believe you did too when I the


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weather report last night and today it's


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22 yeah well we uh yeah that party the


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pool was the perfect location for our


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10-year-old grandson's party yesterday


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because um it was a stinker here uh we


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had a big blustery Sly change overnight


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and it was 14 when we woke up which was


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so nice it's so nice to have some cool


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weather because we have had some real


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rotten days this summer it's been


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Dreadful uh now for those who are


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viewing us at the moment um and for


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those who are listening later uh we have


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a another person in the mix today and


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her n name is Heidi Campo hello Heidi


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hey guys how are you doing very well uh


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it's good to have you along and the


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reason is because I'm going away uh and


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that sort of Dov tales with Fred just


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coming back from a trip and we just


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didn't have time to double up and and


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fill the time I'll be away so you will


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be taking over the hosting chair for um


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four or five episodes so um Heidi's here


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to just sort of play Observer and and uh


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see how it's all done it's not


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complicated because if it was we just


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couldn't do it uh so um yeah I'm sure


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you'll manage Heidi but feel free to


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jump in and anytime you like and armed


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with plenty of dad jokes oh perfect you


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you'll fit in nicely and for those who


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uh May recognize Heidi's name U one of


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the podcasts in our stable is called


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reality check the science of fiction


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which was Heidi's podcast I believe you


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do another podcast though don't you you


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um uh just reality chat yeah okay


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talking to subject matter experts about


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the plausibility of sci-fi Concepts it's


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a little bit on hold right now while I'm


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practicing real science with some of the


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research we're doing for NASA right now


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but that can be a conversation for the


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Q&A yeah very good all right uh well


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it's good to have you alone uh now Fred


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um we've got plenty of stories to deal


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with uh this first one dates back a few


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years uh when something hit the Earth's


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atmosphere and um it it ended up


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splashing down somewhere in near Papa


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and your guinea uh and of course um you


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know everybody said oh it's an alien


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spaceship or parts there are or


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something from an alien world uh but now


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they've been studying the data and it


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might have been something


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else yeah it's a it's a he said she said


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story now this one uh because it we we


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covered this I think uh probably back in


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2023 uh the story is um the you know the


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the sort of radar network uh which looks


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for things coming in um detected a


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meteorite which uh went through the


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Earth's atmosphere in


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2014 uh and that uh is thought to have


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created a seismic signal that led


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researchers to believe that the debrief


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from that meteorite would be spread


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across the ocean floor to the east of


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Manis Island you said sort of north of


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Australia yeah and um in fact that


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uh there is a team from Harvard led by


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Professor RV L whose name crops up quite


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regularly on this show um he uh was


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convinced that because this thing came


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in at I think if I remember rightly it


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was 47 kilometers per second that


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suggests it may well have been an


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Interstellar traveler uh a bit like


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umura the the famous Interstellar


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asteroid that we've also talked about


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endlessly on Space Nuts yeah so ay um


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wanted to find Deb from this object


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because he and his team believed that


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that would uh essentially allow us to


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find stuff that was from another solar


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system and possibly because this is his


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thing uh basically engineered stuff from


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another solar system it may have been


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evidence surveil in life so he set up a


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an expedition


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uh basically he and his team identified


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whereabouts on the uh ocean floor this


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these particles of debris from the


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meteorite would be based on the seismic


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signal that had been received uh and


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said about trolling the ocean floor with


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a magnet or something like that uh


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basically to pick up all the ferris


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material the iron containing material of


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which they got quite a lot little


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spheral of stuff that really was a bit


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unusual in its chemistry in terms of


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what we find on Earth and I think there


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was a consensus that the material you I


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mean a scientific consensus that this


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stuff whatever it was was e


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extraterrestrial at least something that


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had come from uh beyond the


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Earth uh cut fast forward to last week


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of the week before uh when we had


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evidence that the seismic signal which


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uh purportedly had been used to


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determine where this stuff would have


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fallen that seic seismic signal has been


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reanalyzed and it turns out that it was


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most likely not the object entering the


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atmosphere but a truck going around the


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corner just outside this where the


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seismograph is uh it had all the hall


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marks of a truck and so um you know


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there was a bit of uh a I think there's


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a publication to the effect that well


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this stuff probably isn't extra so from


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another solar system because the seismic


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signal was from a truck not from the


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meteor oh my gosh


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meanwhile last week uh aurb has got


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another paper which is currently in


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preparation uh which basically says it


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doesn't matter we found the stuff and uh


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our estimate of where the meteorite


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would have landed did not come


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principally from the seismic signal it


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came principally from the the radar


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determinations and so uh they um are


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sticking with the story that the stuff


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they found on the floor of the the ocean


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is


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probably uh from another solar system if


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not evidence of alien life which is of


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course ailo's um Touchstone if I can put


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it I'm I'm going to say he's probably


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half


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right which half the first


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half yeah I think that's right look it's


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it's great we need people like AI


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because he always thinks outside the box


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it's always the same side of the box


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that he thinks outside of um the alien


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life alien intelligence um but uh often


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his his remarks are uh taken with um not


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a pinch of salt but certainly taken with


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some skepticism is the wrong word no


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it's not skepticism by the by the


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scientific Community it would be that


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would be accurate yeah um the big


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question on my mind is was it a Ford


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Ranger or a Dodge Ram the truck I want


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to know what kind of truck it was I


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don't that yes it could have been I


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think it might have been bigger than


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that probably yeah probably gee could


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have been one of our Outback road trains


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well that would certainly have stirred


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up the seism M gri wouldn't it


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definitely yeah so tell me how this


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seismic data works if that's what they


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initially detected even though it barked


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them up the wrong tree


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um how do they how do they use seismic


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data to analyze where something's coming


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from that seems very interesting so so


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it's the pressure wave basically so when


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an object enters the solar system sorry


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enters the Earth's atmosphere


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particularly hurtling along at more than


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40 kilometers per second um then it


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creates a shock wave and that shock wave


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is basically detected by the seismograph


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probably uh because it shakes the


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building that the seismographs in um I


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mean there there will be an element of


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it that shock wave hitting hitting the


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ground that stirs up the ground a bit uh


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it is extraordinary how sensitive


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seismographs are um I have a colleague


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at Siding Spring Observatory who


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operates as an amateur scientist he


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operates a seismograph that can detect


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you know certainly detect explosions in


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the hunt of Valley coalfield which is


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about 300 kilometers away uh but um but


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but but also much much more much more


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subtle things like trains going fast and


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the nearest train to his location at


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Siding Spring is about 100 kilometers


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away so yeah I strongly suspect whatever


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the truck was it wasn't doing 45


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kilometers a second that's right hi do


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you how yeah I've got a question for you


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Fred so I don't really know how this


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works and I'm sure a lot of the


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listeners don't either how is this not


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more of a common problem CU if they


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picked up this truck and didn't know


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what it was it sounds like there might


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be protocol in place for them to


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differentiate between someone walking


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around in the facility versus a vehicle


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versus something that's you know truly a


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UFO so do they normally mistaken other


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objects no um it's a really good point


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hiy because you know the with a


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seismograph people walking around it is


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is it's it's background interference and


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it happens all the time um I the it is a


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really good point how did you mix up a


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truck that's probably going to go around


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the corner every day uh with with this


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incoming signal and I think um there may


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have been some bad luck there you know


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picking out the signal that just


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happened to be at the right instant in


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comparison with the radar data uh but I


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think so seismic signals are really


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interesting you can learn a lot just by


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looking at what the trace is and in fact


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um going completely off track uh we had


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a contact lovely contact in Greenland


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last month with um scientist actually


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from the UK who seen the size miic


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signal of water slushing around in a f


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in Greenland that went round the world


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and lasted for nine days wow and that's


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a so that that's telling you that


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there's a really particular kind of


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characteristic that lets you do the the


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of a seismic signal that lets you do the


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uh the forensic science as you know as


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you could put it to to work out what's


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happened and maybe it's just bad luck


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that they picked up this signal at the


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truck and said this has got exactly the


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the kind of Trace that you would expect


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to come from an incoming uh body an


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incoming object how fascinating uh and


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by the way that truck driver has been


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done for


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speeding um 47 kilm per second yeah it


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would be it does remind me of another


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story we did once about uh what was it


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an alien signal it turned out to be a


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microwave oven oh well yes that's the


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the great story from parks that they're


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still embarrassed about sorry Parks


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radio telescope yes indeed but uh that's


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a great story it's popped up on a couple


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of websites if you want to go to Cosmos


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magazine.com uh and uh and Chase it up


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there plenty of information and uh it is


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a a really interesting story with all


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the the truck driving and and weirdness


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put pushed aside um Fred let's move on


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to our next Yann and this one is uh


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really exciting because they've thought


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for some time that there's been planets


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orbiting a certain star and now they


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think they've found them although this


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has been a difficult task because of the


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angle of observation I believe that's


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correct yes that's right so um the


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starring question is it's well known to


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astronomers but not very well known to


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the outside world if I put it it that


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way uh it's Barnard star and it was


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discovered by let me guess someone named


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Barnard indeed indeed that's right I'm


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trying to remember his first


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name I think it was Edward yes was it I


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don't know I'll look it up Edgar no was


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it Edward Bernard can't remember anyway


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Bernard worked at one of the major uh us


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observatories and in I think 1914 or


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there about certainly the early uh years


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of the 20th Cent


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um he discovered this star which has and


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I'm going to use the astronomy go


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group now it has the highest proper


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motion of any other star known and the


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proper motion of a star is its motion


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across the sky it's uh it's as we see it


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how fast it moves in the sky now that


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doesn't necessarily mean it's its true


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motion because there's probably a a


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component towards us as well which you


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can actually detect differently but um


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it was 10 seconds a year remembering an


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arcc is 13,600 of a degree the diameter


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of a $1 coin held up at five kilometers


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that's an Australian $1 coin um a tiny


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angle uh and 10 Arc seconds isn't many


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more of them but it's uh by far the


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biggest proper motion motion of a star


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known uh it's Galloping across the sky


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and so uh it's been a favorite of


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astronomers uh for you know ever since


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it was was observed more than a century


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ago first identified uh and astronomers


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of course because it's the next nearest


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star to the Proxima centu system have uh


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looked hard for evidence of planets


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around it uh and now they found them


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they found the evidence there's been a


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few uh what you might call um tentative


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uh um measurements that have uh LED


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people to believe that perhaps Bernard


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St planets uh but now uh because of


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observations made if I remember rightly


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it's the Germany North telescope I


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should have checked that shouldn't I uh


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it's observations made yes Germany North


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in Hawaii uh it's uh observations that


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have been made by that telescope have


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actually nailed it because they have a


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very sensitive uh doppa wobble machine


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and doppa wobble of course is the name


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that we give to the way a star is pulled


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slightly out of place by the planets


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going around it and that pulling and


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pushing of a star by its own planets is


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something that we pick up by the radial


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velocity the velocity along the line of


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sight which I've just talking about so


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uh that has now uh been confirmed that


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there are for sub Earths actually uh


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very small planets and the point that


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you are making and this is what makes it


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a bit difficult because um you you get


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much more information if the planets are


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orbiting in a plane that we can see


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directly along uh so that you have the


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planets passing in front of their star


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uh that's what we call the transit


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method for discovering planets but it


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also gives you much more information


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about the diameter of the planets which


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we don't get from the Dopp wobble


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technique so there's still some unknowns


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about the density of these planets but


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they are confirmed to be there so at


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last the big question are there


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exoplanets Orit barard star has been


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answered aha well that's good news uh


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bad news for anyone living there I


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imagine being a red dwarf it is a red


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dwarf that's right which means that the


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stars are


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orbiting uh sort of within the you know


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you know within within a region uh in


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fact that that most of them orbit just


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within a few days around their parents


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to so they're they're much closer to


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barard Star and Mercury is to the Sun


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and red dwarfs are bad news in that


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regard because they are relative active


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you get these


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flares subatomic particles that might


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fry anything that's on one of the planet


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and I think I'm right in saying that


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none of them are in the habitable zone


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barodar that's the region around a red


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dwarf uh where you could have liquid


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water um well if they did have


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life in that zone it would still be


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perilous I


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imagine yes that's right unless it you


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know who knows with with


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extraterrestrial real life it could be


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anything yeah it could live in the Rocks


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well that's right they could be


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underground that's absolutely true and


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it was discovered by Edward Emerson


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Barnard in 196 Ed well done thank you


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yeah I knew you had it right you had


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about 40 guesses but you got it right


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yeah it's all good okay uh if you'd like


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to read up on that uh there uh got the


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wrong side up here we go uh Noir


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la.edu is where you can read the paper


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on that Discovery n o my la.edu this is


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Space Nuts Andrew Dunley here with


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Professor Fred Watson and py Campo Our


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Guest


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the show 3 2 1 Space Nuts now let's get


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on to this story which um the popular


00:20:26.679 --> 00:20:29.510
press absolutely loves it's Elon Musk


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SpaceX founder headed for Mars well not


00:20:33.120 --> 00:20:35.870
personally although some might say we'd


00:20:35.880 --> 00:20:38.470
like to see that happen but uh it's more


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about his preparation to colonize Mars


00:20:41.159 --> 00:20:44.950
and they're looking at a timeline now uh


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to send a um a mission at the end of


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next


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year that's correct Andrew but not with


00:20:52.320 --> 00:20:55.549
people not with people uh hang on a sec


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Heidi's got to leave us oh than thanks


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for for jumping in just to learn the


00:21:01.039 --> 00:21:03.430
ropes I'm sure you didn't learn anything


00:21:03.440 --> 00:21:04.310
uh


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but we'll we'll catch up with you real


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soon when you take over as host thanks


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Heidi thank you so much to meet you


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Heidi see you soon all right um yes Elon


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off to off the Mars friend that's right


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so um you know this is Elon sort of


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mapping out his plans


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for uh for getting to Mars which uh it


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has to be said


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are all right I'll say it


00:21:32.720 --> 00:21:35.110
unrealistically


00:21:35.120 --> 00:21:40.950
ambitious um um I mean we've just had uh


00:21:40.960 --> 00:21:45.230
what was it Starship 8 uh which uh was


00:21:45.240 --> 00:21:47.909
the eighth test launch of the Starship


00:21:47.919 --> 00:21:51.470
vehicle which consists of uh a booster


00:21:51.480 --> 00:21:53.350
which is the Falcon superheavy with the


00:21:53.360 --> 00:21:56.710
Starship vehicle itself purched on top


00:21:56.720 --> 00:22:01.669
uh Starship 8 uh the was mixed success


00:22:01.679 --> 00:22:05.350
the the booster landed successfully uh


00:22:05.360 --> 00:22:07.430
with the uh what's he call the Chopstick


00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:09.909
me mechanism on the launch pad so it


00:22:09.919 --> 00:22:12.350
returns back to its Launchpad incredible


00:22:12.360 --> 00:22:15.430
technology unbelievable stuff but the


00:22:15.440 --> 00:22:18.950
Starship itself blew up uh sorry rapid


00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:21.269
uh what was it rapid unscheduled


00:22:21.279 --> 00:22:26.110
disassembly did yeah um so um but what


00:22:26.120 --> 00:22:27.110
the point I was going to make was


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Starship 9 is's following close on its


00:22:29.400 --> 00:22:33.830
heels uh because Elon is happy to keep


00:22:33.840 --> 00:22:36.950
getting these things going uh until it


00:22:36.960 --> 00:22:40.269
works as it did with the whole Falcon 9


00:22:40.279 --> 00:22:41.750
Business when when you know they were


00:22:41.760 --> 00:22:43.789
practicing trying to bring spacecraft


00:22:43.799 --> 00:22:46.390
back to their launch sites took a long


00:22:46.400 --> 00:22:49.190
time to get it right now is


00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:51.750
absolutely uh just standard it's just


00:22:51.760 --> 00:22:54.950
the normal situation and I think the


00:22:54.960 --> 00:22:58.230
record is now I think it's 26 flights


00:22:58.240 --> 00:23:01.269
that one Falcon 99 booster has made U


00:23:01.279 --> 00:23:03.710
and that you know it's such a cost


00:23:03.720 --> 00:23:06.190
cutting mechanism it's brilliant stuff


00:23:06.200 --> 00:23:08.470
anyway uh going back to


00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:11.669
Starship I was just going to say for all


00:23:11.679 --> 00:23:13.710
his faults and critics you've got to


00:23:13.720 --> 00:23:17.990
applaud him for the um the rapidity of


00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:20.830
his development process he he finds the


00:23:20.840 --> 00:23:23.549
problems fast fixes them and perfects


00:23:23.559 --> 00:23:26.710
these things in in no time it's quite


00:23:26.720 --> 00:23:28.630
remarkable


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uh it is extraordinary that's right uh


00:23:30.840 --> 00:23:33.710
an extraordinary person in in every way


00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:37.549
um anyway uh one of the reasons why he's


00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:39.669
got such haste to get Starship to work


00:23:39.679 --> 00:23:41.990
well there's two really the main one


00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:44.510
perhaps is that he's contracted to NASA


00:23:44.520 --> 00:23:46.710
for Starship to be the landing vehicle


00:23:46.720 --> 00:23:50.110
to get astronauts on the moon for the


00:23:50.120 --> 00:23:54.070
arimus 3 flight um which currently is


00:23:54.080 --> 00:23:55.549
scheduled for


00:23:55.559 --> 00:23:59.110
2027 uh that's got to be right uh to get


00:23:59.120 --> 00:24:01.710
these astronauts down onto the surface


00:24:01.720 --> 00:24:05.110
and Back Again into an an orbit that


00:24:05.120 --> 00:24:07.870
will take them back to earth that is uh


00:24:07.880 --> 00:24:09.870
very much part of the schedule at the


00:24:09.880 --> 00:24:13.110
moment uh so he's got to make Starship


00:24:13.120 --> 00:24:16.470
work and at the moment he not doing um


00:24:16.480 --> 00:24:19.870
the the the Orit itself uh but the other


00:24:19.880 --> 00:24:23.549
reason is that he wants to send a


00:24:23.559 --> 00:24:26.510
Starship to Mars at the end of


00:24:26.520 --> 00:24:29.669
2026 and the reason for that imperative


00:24:29.679 --> 00:24:31.510
is as you and I have spoken about many


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times uh the windows for launching


00:24:33.840 --> 00:24:35.710
vehicles to Miles come every two years


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and two months yeah and the next one is


00:24:38.120 --> 00:24:41.389
late in 2026 and that's the one he wants


00:24:41.399 --> 00:24:45.310
to uh wants to get otherwise it will be


00:24:45.320 --> 00:24:48.510
2029 uh and that's you know when the


00:24:48.520 --> 00:24:52.710
next window opens so uh Elon is planning


00:24:52.720 --> 00:24:55.950
a robotic motion sorry a robotic flight


00:24:55.960 --> 00:24:59.350
to Mars uh with actually they're


00:24:59.360 --> 00:25:01.310
currently under development humanoid


00:25:01.320 --> 00:25:03.750
robot which is called Optimus on board


00:25:03.760 --> 00:25:05.710
so there will be a humanoid robot on


00:25:05.720 --> 00:25:08.430
this thing uh he's talking about


00:25:08.440 --> 00:25:12.669
2026 uh and perhaps a landing as well on


00:25:12.679 --> 00:25:16.950
Mars uh in 20126 or it will be uh yes it


00:25:16.960 --> 00:25:19.789
will be 2027 uh when the landing took


00:25:19.799 --> 00:25:22.950
place so that's a very very ambitious


00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:25.549
schedule uh he's got to get the thing


00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:27.909
right so it doesn't blow up on launch uh


00:25:27.919 --> 00:25:30.990
on when when it's in orbit insertion um


00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:33.310
and it would be a real Phillip if he


00:25:33.320 --> 00:25:36.269
could actually get a spacecraft on its


00:25:36.279 --> 00:25:39.149
way to Miles by 2026 even if it wasn't a


00:25:39.159 --> 00:25:42.549
Lander even if it was a you know just a


00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:46.190
um Fly by or or even a a going into


00:25:46.200 --> 00:25:50.310
orbit um scenario uh so then but then


00:25:50.320 --> 00:25:54.990
the other bit is uh in fact we've got a


00:25:55.000 --> 00:25:58.110
quote from Elon which I might just read


00:25:58.120 --> 00:25:58.830
uh


00:25:58.840 --> 00:26:01.789
St will you understand


00:26:01.799 --> 00:26:04.750
it Starship departs for Mars at the end


00:26:04.760 --> 00:26:07.350
of next year carrying Optimus if those


00:26:07.360 --> 00:26:09.870
Landings there you are he's ambitious


00:26:09.880 --> 00:26:11.909
his ambition is to land yeah if those


00:26:11.919 --> 00:26:13.190
Landings go


00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:16.590
well then human Landings may start as


00:26:16.600 --> 00:26:17.710
soon as


00:26:17.720 --> 00:26:20.110
2029 because that's when the next window


00:26:20.120 --> 00:26:23.510
is open although he says 2031 is more


00:26:23.520 --> 00:26:27.190
likely and I think 2035 is more likely


00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:31.630
still uh because we still have so many


00:26:31.640 --> 00:26:34.389
issues to solve in terms of putting


00:26:34.399 --> 00:26:36.630
astronauts into a mission that could


00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:39.789
last up to two years uh with you know


00:26:39.799 --> 00:26:41.630
all the need for life support with all


00:26:41.640 --> 00:26:44.350
the radiation issues all of that I think


00:26:44.360 --> 00:26:47.510
it is a very very big ask to be thinking


00:26:47.520 --> 00:26:49.950
about anything before the mid 2030s yeah


00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:51.669
I imagine so I think one of the most


00:26:51.679 --> 00:26:53.269
exciting parts of this Mission if you


00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:55.870
can pull it off is um the Optimus robot


00:26:55.880 --> 00:26:58.389
otherwise known as the Tesla bot which


00:26:58.399 --> 00:27:01.070
is in development uh Tesla Incorporated


00:27:01.080 --> 00:27:04.870
is is building it um and by the way


00:27:04.880 --> 00:27:08.870
Optimus comes from the um uh TV and


00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:09.870
movie


00:27:09.880 --> 00:27:13.710
franchise um uh Transformers Optimus


00:27:13.720 --> 00:27:16.110
Prime being one of the main characters


00:27:16.120 --> 00:27:18.430
I'm sure you've watched them all Fred um


00:27:18.440 --> 00:27:21.669
just just like just like I have but yeah


00:27:21.679 --> 00:27:23.310
that's where the name comes from Optimus


00:27:23.320 --> 00:27:26.230
Prime from um Transformers but uh this


00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:29.149
this is quite remarkable uh um the way


00:27:29.159 --> 00:27:31.870
the way this is being developed and and


00:27:31.880 --> 00:27:35.149
it's and you did say humanoid type robot


00:27:35.159 --> 00:27:39.470
and it does it does look every bit


00:27:39.480 --> 00:27:43.149
humanoid and it's not just Tesla that's


00:27:43.159 --> 00:27:45.669
developing robots uh other companies


00:27:45.679 --> 00:27:47.710
have been doing this for a long time and


00:27:47.720 --> 00:27:49.630
we're really starting to get well down


00:27:49.640 --> 00:27:52.830
the road of uh I suppose we're at the


00:27:52.840 --> 00:27:54.669
beginning of the spectrum of perfection


00:27:54.679 --> 00:27:58.149
of Robotics uh independent thinking


00:27:58.159 --> 00:28:00.470
operating robots and that's what this is


00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:02.950
ultimately going to be uh I think that's


00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:04.990
really exciting um some people are


00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:06.830
probably scared witless because they've


00:28:06.840 --> 00:28:08.750
watched um you know too many science


00:28:08.760 --> 00:28:10.230
fiction films about artificial


00:28:10.240 --> 00:28:12.389
intelligence but


00:28:12.399 --> 00:28:16.190
um this this uh this this could be the


00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:18.029
next giant leap in


00:28:18.039 --> 00:28:20.310
technology um and and I think they'll


00:28:20.320 --> 00:28:22.190
pull it off it's already starting to


00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:25.669
happen so um yeah that's that's exciting


00:28:25.679 --> 00:28:27.830
news anything more to add about elon's


00:28:27.840 --> 00:28:29.870
trip


00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:35.310
not really um I um you know I look I I I


00:28:35.320 --> 00:28:39.350
I will not be surprised if this happens


00:28:39.360 --> 00:28:42.590
just knowing knowing the drive that Elon


00:28:42.600 --> 00:28:45.549
has to get stuff happening get stuff


00:28:45.559 --> 00:28:48.669
fixed well you know without people like


00:28:48.679 --> 00:28:52.070
Elon in our history a lot of stuff would


00:28:52.080 --> 00:28:56.269
never have happened and


00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:58.990
um you can you can Point people in


00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:00.870
history that have done great things


00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:03.509
because they didn't listen to the


00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:05.470
detractors and the critics they just


00:29:05.480 --> 00:29:07.590
said no I'm I've got this idea and I'm


00:29:07.600 --> 00:29:10.990
going to make it work and away they went


00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:14.070
yeah I mean it it's it's also now


00:29:14.080 --> 00:29:18.870
Complicated by the you know the the


00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:22.950
position that Elon uh occupies uh within


00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:25.630
the Trump Administration yeah uh and


00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:28.070
we've got all sorts of concerns being


00:29:28.080 --> 00:29:31.909
impressed about conflicts of interest uh


00:29:31.919 --> 00:29:35.070
there's a lot of stuff happening that


00:29:35.080 --> 00:29:38.509
is counterintuitive perhaps and um not


00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:41.669
necessarily going altogether well and uh


00:29:41.679 --> 00:29:43.630
that that sort of in a way clouds the


00:29:43.640 --> 00:29:47.509
issue because um the Elon is is a


00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:51.470
basically a genius uh and that's


00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:55.830
extraordinary um but it may be that that


00:29:55.840 --> 00:29:59.710
now um you know is is is is overshadowed


00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:01.230
by other things that are


00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:03.990
happening yes and that's rather


00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:06.190
unfortunate but when you um when you


00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:08.070
pick sides in politics you


00:30:08.080 --> 00:30:10.870
disenfranchise half the people you do


00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:13.549
that's exactly right and uh which is why


00:30:13.559 --> 00:30:16.389
test tless Sals are falling yes and like


00:30:16.399 --> 00:30:18.830
I've seen videos of um people you know


00:30:18.840 --> 00:30:21.230
bigname people and I won't point the


00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:23.310
finger at them have already become well


00:30:23.320 --> 00:30:26.350
known through their own exploits um


00:30:26.360 --> 00:30:29.950
giving away their Tesla vehicles in


00:30:29.960 --> 00:30:34.190
protest yeah it's yeah so he has kind of


00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:36.190
ostracized himself I suppose you could


00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:38.470
say uh in some ways but he probably


00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:40.870
doesn't care I don't think so no that's


00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:43.509
right and so let's see what happens yes


00:30:43.519 --> 00:30:45.830
inde do all right uh if you'd like to


00:30:45.840 --> 00:30:49.269
read that story it's at f.org that's


00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:52.669
ps.org not fyz I don't know what that


00:30:52.679 --> 00:30:55.029
would take you to


00:30:55.039 --> 00:31:02.710
um better not to find out now I want to


00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:06.750
look and I feel fine Space Nuts um


00:31:06.760 --> 00:31:08.990
couple of quick stories to finish up uh


00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:12.549
sphere X telescope is now up and running


00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:14.149
or ready to get you know it's off the


00:31:14.159 --> 00:31:17.190
planet uh it is uh that's that's right


00:31:17.200 --> 00:31:20.430
it's uh it's launched on Tuesday last


00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:24.310
week uh I think it's uh on a on a quite


00:31:24.320 --> 00:31:26.990
an interesting uh initial trajectory it


00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:29.190
was a polar orbit that it went into to


00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:35.269
start with and uh it's basically uh a a


00:31:35.279 --> 00:31:38.190
telescope which by the way only has an 8


00:31:38.200 --> 00:31:41.389
in lens on it which is kind of the size


00:31:41.399 --> 00:31:43.470
of most amateur telescopes but it's got


00:31:43.480 --> 00:31:46.350
the most extraordinary uh detectors and


00:31:46.360 --> 00:31:49.629
this curious um heat exchange system


00:31:49.639 --> 00:31:52.310
which makes the whole thing look like uh


00:31:52.320 --> 00:31:54.549
one of those cones of Silence that you


00:31:54.559 --> 00:31:56.350
put around dogs when they're not


00:31:56.360 --> 00:31:58.470
supposed to scatch their


00:31:58.480 --> 00:32:00.430
whatever it is or pull pull their


00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:02.070
stitches out from whatever's been done


00:32:02.080 --> 00:32:04.990
to them uh we we had one of those for


00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:08.029
our little poodle when he underwent a


00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:10.870
certain operation uh which he tolerated


00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:14.590
for less than a minute yeah yeah I've


00:32:14.600 --> 00:32:17.590
I've I've often seen cat videos of them


00:32:17.600 --> 00:32:19.470
just basically beating themselves to


00:32:19.480 --> 00:32:22.190
death trying to get those things off uh


00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:25.549
just for the record f.org is


00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:28.710
unreachable ah if I dou


00:32:28.720 --> 00:32:30.269
so I don't know what's going on there


00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:32.190
but um I would have thought that would


00:32:32.200 --> 00:32:34.990
be a URL worth a couple couple of bucks


00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:38.029
um might be on the dark web good good G


00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:39.350
and I've just looked at I've just tried


00:32:39.360 --> 00:32:42.830
to look at it I'm A Marked Man yeah yeah


00:32:42.840 --> 00:32:45.350
yeah all right spherex uh very exciting


00:32:45.360 --> 00:32:47.669
and uh that mapping of the universe it's


00:32:47.679 --> 00:32:49.629
going to happen rather quickly yes


00:32:49.639 --> 00:32:52.230
that's right it's a it's a project uh to


00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:54.190
that I didn't mention it's it's the idea


00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:56.870
is to map the universe in uh because


00:32:56.880 --> 00:32:58.110
it's basically going to look at the


00:32:58.120 --> 00:33:00.750
whole Sky uh and that I think is why


00:33:00.760 --> 00:33:03.669
it's in a polar orbit it Maps the the


00:33:03.679 --> 00:33:05.909
glow of the universe in a sense from


00:33:05.919 --> 00:33:09.590
galaxies and uh you know the light of


00:33:09.600 --> 00:33:13.149
distant star systems and one of the uh


00:33:13.159 --> 00:33:16.430
one of the reasons for sphere X is to


00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:19.509
pin down our understanding of the


00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:23.029
universe's first period the 10 Theus 32


00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:25.590
of a second in which it inflated by a


00:33:25.600 --> 00:33:28.310
factor of 10 the 50 the Pock of


00:33:28.320 --> 00:33:31.549
inflation as it's called amazing and one


00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:33.710
quick one Butcher and sunny N9 months on


00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:35.990
the International Space Station and by


00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:38.549
the time this is released they might


00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:40.710
they might be back on Earth they might


00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:42.830
indeed which would be great for them it


00:33:42.840 --> 00:33:44.750
would be good to see them coming back


00:33:44.760 --> 00:33:48.710
home uh because we have had them up


00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:52.310
there since June last year yeah they're


00:33:52.320 --> 00:33:55.950
only eight and a half months late for


00:33:55.960 --> 00:33:58.710
dinner yeah I'm sure their relatives


00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:01.470
will all be delighted to see them yes I


00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:04.070
I don't doubt it and we wish them well


00:34:04.080 --> 00:34:06.230
uh we're just about done Fred thank you


00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:08.750
very much great pleasure Andrew good to


00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:10.589
talk as always and we'll see you next


00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:13.149
time we will and uh thanks to Hugh in


00:34:13.159 --> 00:34:15.829
the studio who turned up today uh he


00:34:15.839 --> 00:34:17.869
took time out of his efforts to map the


00:34:17.879 --> 00:34:21.230
universe by hand and for me for me


00:34:21.240 --> 00:34:22.550
Andrew Dunley thanks for your coming to


00:34:22.560 --> 00:34:24.790
Y don't forget to visit our website and


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00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:31.270
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00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:32.909
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