Feb. 6, 2025

The Brutalist Breakdown: Oscar Predictions and Cinematic Conversations

The Brutalist Breakdown: Oscar Predictions and Cinematic Conversations

**Host:** Alex First
**Guest Critics:** Jaqui Hammerton, Sandy Greg King Peter Krause
**Episode Summary:**
In this compelling episode of First on Film & Entertainment, host Alex First is joined by critics Jaqui Hammerton, Sandy Greg King and Peter...

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**Host:** Alex First
**Guest Critics:** Jaqui Hammerton, Sandy Greg King Peter Krause
**Episode Summary:**
In this compelling episode of First on Film & Entertainment, host Alex First is joined by critics Jaqui Hammerton, Sandy Greg King and Peter Krause for a vibrant discussion on the cinematic landscape, focusing on the much-anticipated film *The Brutalist*. The critics share their insights on the film's potential to sweep the Oscars, with a lively debate on its merits and the impact of its lengthy runtime of 215 minutes, which includes a unique intermission. The conversation delves into the film's narrative, exploring themes of resilience and the struggles faced by the protagonist, Laszlo Tothe, portrayed by Adrian Brody. The critics highlight the film's exploration of architecture and its raw depiction of elitism and racism, sparking a rich dialogue about the portrayal of historical figures and the emotional weight of their stories. As the episode unfolds, the critics also touch on *A Complete Unknown*, a biopic about Bob Dylan, praising its authenticity and the performances of Timothée Chalamet and Monica Barbaro. The episode wraps up with a discussion on *Maria*, a film depicting the final days of opera legend Maria Callas, which brings forth mixed reviews from the panel regarding its tone and character representation. Listeners can expect a blend of passionate critiques, insightful commentary, and a deep dive into the art of storytelling in film.
**Highlights:**
- **The Brutalist:** A thought-provoking exploration of resilience and artistry, with strong performances and a gripping narrative structure. The critics debate its Oscar potential and the significance of its intermission.
- **A Complete Unknown:** A captivating portrayal of Bob Dylan's early career, featuring outstanding performances and a rich musical backdrop that resonates with both fans and newcomers.
- **Maria:** A controversial depiction of the opera diva's final days, prompting discussions on the film's focus and the portrayal of its titular character.
Join the First on Film & Entertainment team for an engaging episode filled with lively discussions and cinematic insights. Tune in next week for more film reviews and cultural commentary!
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First on Film and Entertainment, and we have got the

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whole gang together. We have got Jackie Hamilton, Sandy k

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Greg King, Peter Kraus, and yours truly, Alex first, and

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we are going to do this in a very special

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way because the film that will win the Oscar for

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Best Film and also Best Director and also Best Actor

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is where we should be starting now. I want to

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see whether there's any argument from any of you that

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the Brutalist will win at least those three awards. Does

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anyone want to put their hands up and say no,

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they disagree they won't win those Oscars? Sandy, Okay, so now.

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I think it probably will win, but my argument would

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be that it should not.

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Okay, well, that's a different argument. When we'll get that,

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we'll get.

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To that and and down.

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Okay, okay, so the rest of you, you all agree

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those three?

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Possibly, I think Conclaves now has an inside running for

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Best Film.

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When you say now has base yet it's.

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Based on a report from Variety where they interviewed a

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number of the AMPASS voters and many of them pass.

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Sorry, a lot of people won't know what AMPASS is.

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The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and scientists. They run

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the oscars, and so the eleven thousand members of ampass

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part of the OSCAR voting. And so what variety have

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found is that the excitement for the brutalist has calmed

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a little bit.

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Okay, all right, well I'd still be stunned if it didn't.

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So talking about that, let's start there, because it's a

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very long movie. We're talking two hundred and fifteen minutes,

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which translates to what's that one hundred and eighty thirty

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five minutes? And the important part of this and I

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really really like this, and I wonder whether you agree

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with me and our forty minutes in there is an intermission,

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and there is a countdown clock. Now I happen to

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Seed at the Classic Cinema and in Elston week in Melbourne,

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and every well, I think eighty five percent of the

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cinema left, basically, and then there was a Q outside

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the bathroom. Sure, we say, and you've got to get

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back on time, because the fifteen minutes is indeed just that.

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Now that's sort of old style. I don't know how

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far back we go when inhimissions were common in long movies. Peter,

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you were around about the seventeen hundred, so you'd probably

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remember when. Yeah, so when, because there were quite a

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number of movies that used to have missions. And I mean,

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I think it's really indulgent on the past part of

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most directors that they have long movies without a break.

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And I'm not just talking about people who are of

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a certain age and need a bathroom break. But it's

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a long sit right, whether it's a theater, whether it's anything.

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So any admissions are done. Good idea, But we're probably

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going back, what.

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To the fifties Peter Well Ten Commandments, Cleopatra.

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In Arabia, Gone with the Wind?

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Yes, did God with the Wind have an indimission? Did it? Okay?

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In some cinemas in the US certainly did have an intermission?

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Yes, okay?

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So with I thought, I thought I saw in a

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small countrytown and I had an intermission too, okay, And

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now I think it's a darn good idea.

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Do you Does anybody disagree that any movie that's over

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a certain length of time, and you know, you can

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nominate two and a half or three hours, should have

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an indomission? Do we all agree on that?

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I don't like the words should I would like.

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Them to actually let you know at the start that

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there will be one, because when we went to the

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preview screening, I wasn't aware that there would be and.

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I was kind of debating or should I duck out?

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Now when's a good time there? Are you happy when

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an intermission, you know, surprisingly came up? And also, like

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Greg mentioned a country town, then in the smaller venues,

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it's a great idea for people to pop out and

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help some candy bar takings.

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I think, well, it's it's that's It's funny you talk

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about that because with theater, sometimes relatively short plays have

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an intermission for that very reason. Okay, Now, having said that,

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it's extremely frustrating when you're seeing something that isn't very

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long and they do stick an into mission into it.

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So I mean, I'm having a bet both ways here.

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But with regards to a long movie, you know, I

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gave it a point just just for that. I thought

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that was a terrific It was an innovative way of

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looking at it. Because we've seen in the past twelve months,

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we've seen quite a few movies that are very long.

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We've seen some other movies that are close enough to

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three hours, haven't we From recollection and Greg in the

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past year. Yeah, don't get so excited when you're talking

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to me, Greg, It's fantastic, Okay. Now, having said that,

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the narrative in this movie, The Brutal, is very richly

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woven tale of pain and perseverance. It unfolds in a

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couple of parts. You've got the first one, which is

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called the Enigma of Arrival, and the second hardcore of Beauty,

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and then there's an epilogue, and boy, that is quite

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an eye opener, so you certainly wouldn't be leaving before

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looking at that epilogue. The centerpiece is a lauded Hungarian

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Jewish architect called Laslow Toss, a role filled by Adrian Brody,

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and despite hardship, he survives the Holocaust, but he separated

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from his wife, who's the English equivalent name is Elizabeth,

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played by Felicity Jones, and the young niece of both

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Elizabeth and Laslow, whose name is Sophia Rafficassidy, is the

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actor cast in that role. We find out more about

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what they endured in the film's climax. Now, after the war,

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with nothing left till in nineteen forty seven, Laslow manages

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to find safe passage to the United States, and he

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goes to live and work with his cousin at Tilla

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Alessandro Nivola, and with Attila's wife, Audrey Emma Laird, run

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a small furniture shop in Philadelphia, and it's also where

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Laslow receives word that Elizabeth and Sophia also manage to

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see out the war, and he naturally hopes he'll be

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reunited with them. So Attela accepts a special design commission

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from a man called Harry Lee Duren played by Joe Olwen,

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who's the son of a wealthy industrialist called Harrison. So

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the son is Harry, the father is Harrison, and Harrison

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is a role filled by Guy Pearce, and it appears

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to be a golden ticket, this design commission, but that

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job sets him train an ongoing turbulent association between Laslow

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and Harry and Harrison. So there's real tension in that

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relationship throughout. And despite Laslow's creative brilliance, despite his passion,

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he also battles a long term drug addiction. So this

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is a movie that is epic in nature, and it's

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a real portrait of elitism and racism. Notwithstanding his achievements

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and his acumen. Leslow's forever considered an outsider who is

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not embraced by many and who can be discarded at will.

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So power plays in The Brutalist are plentiful the movie itself.

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When I was watching this and Jackie, I think I

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spoke to you, I think it was after. I don't

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know whether it was before or after, but I really

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believed that we were seeing a biopic. I hadn't read

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anything about it, like you, Peter. I don't like sort

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of reading about a movie or show before I see it,

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and I could swear this was real. And yet when

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I went to look at it sort of in terms

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of investigating investigating the movie afterwards, I found out that

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was actually inspired by several real life architects and designers,

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and it's really meant to be a bit of a

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celebration of the triumphs and of the most daring and

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accomplished visionaries. Now, obviously it's very gritty, but that was

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the intent. And it's been co written with Moana Fastfold

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by the director Brady Corvett, who did Vox Lux. I

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remember that movie that goes back what six or seven years,

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eight years, seven years? Yeah, it's quite I found the

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brutless remarkable, insightful and distressing. And bear in mind that

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Adrian Brody has already won an Oscar for the Pianist

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back in two thousand and three. He won the Best

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Actor Oscar on that occasion, and I reckon he delivers

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hugely again, and he really does inhabit the tortured soul

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of laslow Doth like a second skin, and he im

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views intof this strong sense of self belief. So he's resourceful,

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he's proud, he's arrogant, combative, and also deeply troubled. And

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the other performance, I mean really memorable, turning the movie

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not as big a role, but still significant. Felicity Jones

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quite stoic and resolute as his long suffering wife Elizabeth,

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who continues to endure, and she comes across as intelligent

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and well considered in the face of physical and mental anguish.

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Now Guy appears, It'll be interesting to see whether he secures.

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It's a very strong role. I mean, he brings bigoted

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privilege to the mega rich Harrison who's prone to fits

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of peak. And visually there is a grittiness to what

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we see. The cinematographies by Loyald Crawley, who also shot

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White Noise, and I thought quite something of the dynamic

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and dramatic score from Daniel Bloomberg. So I found it unforgettable.

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I thought it was bold, I thought it was brilliant,

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and I thought it was a captivating production and unquestionably

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the finest movie of the last twelve months. So Jackie,

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I know that when you saw it, you actually said

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to me you wanted to see it again, So it

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obviously moved you talk to me about your perceptions of

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the brutalist. Well, that was the.

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First thing I thought as soon as I saw it.

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First thing was I did the same as you. I

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went rushing to Wikipedia to try and fight and it

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was actually that true story and because I honestly thought

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it could have could well have been. And the second

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thing was, yes, I need to see this again. Unfortunately

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I haven't had the opportunity yet, but I still definitely will,

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even though today's check is some Really the point of

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having seen it, I like you felt right from the

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opening stand this was going to be a real feel

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of a sweeping epic, you know, a kind of a

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big screen story kind of unfold over time, really dig

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deep into these characters, and we got we got what

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it seemed to be right from the start. It comes

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not just from the direction. I think the main thing

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that comes from is, you know, deep in ADM. Brody

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just draws it out. He's you know, he can't put

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a foot wrong. This actor total a lister in everything

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he's ever done, I think, as far as I've seen.

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Anyway, Sorry, let's me ask you a question, Jackie. It's funny.

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There are some actors I totally agree with your assessment.

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Who is the actor Daniel da Lewis who gave up acting?

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He was another in that category. I mean, there are

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very few in this pantheon of actors that they tackle

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roles and you just know that they are going to

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be OSCAR nominated roles. Are you The immersion that they

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have in their characters is a touch above and the

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way they carry their roles. That's my view of it, Jackie,

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keep going please, he just lifts it and along with

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that is normally Guy Piers.

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I've got to admit, not my favorite actor. I find

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him pretty stilted and wouldn't but in this role, of course,

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as the industrialist, you need a stilted, wooden person. So

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he was actually it was actually made for him. I thought,

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I thought he was very good in it as Harrison.

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But so to be interjecting and we can't speak about

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it's still sort of the best part of a month away.

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But there's a new Australian movie called Inside with Guy

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Pears as the if not lead, the co lead, and

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it's a very different role. So it'll be fascinating when

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you go and see that movie, Jackie to have that

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comparison to the Guy, because I think he does a

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really good job of it, but it's a very different characterization.

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I find he's Guy.

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Pers in almost everything he does, but in this case,

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you know he is great.

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But one of the overriding things for me about The

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Brutalist was it's actually about architecture, which.

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I just love, and I love the immersion in that,

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and I love the obsession with it. In fact, in

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a way, the obsession with architecture and this project that

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goes on through the second half of the film almost

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almost get a reminder there of another film that we

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might get to talk about that's just start opened, called

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A Complete Unknown Bob Dylan, about Bob Dylan's obsession with music.

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So there's a very similar you know, creativity.

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That comes out of these people. And I just really

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enjoyed the way this post war.

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Brutal, brutalist architecture was explored too, and you know, the

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shock and the you know, getting to know it, and

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that's there was a lot to you know, just not

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like about this film, but actually really feel deeply about

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I thought, and as well as the relationships with the

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power struggle that comes to quite a ghastly climax at

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one point, shall we say?

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And yeah, so big one for me? Yeah, yeah, So,

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I mean the movie itself, if you take out the

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fifteen minute edision, three hours twenty minutes. I wasn't troubled

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by the running time at all, were you not? At all? No?

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I like a long film, don't have Aireno, Well, Peter,

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you like long film, Peter. You know if the film

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went for twelve hours, you'd still be sitting there, right,

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You wouldn't have gotten out of your seat. So what

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did you think of the Brutalist Look?

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I liked it very much. It is an impressive film.

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I'm not quite as enamored by it as other people are,

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even though it is very impressive. I mean, for example,

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early in the film, there is some clunky dialogue at times,

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which I felt could have been refined a little bit more,

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because the first act does go on a little bit,

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and what Corbet has used is some rather unusual camera

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angles to sort of mimic the sort of the brutalist

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style of architecture, I suppose, So look, I thought that

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was great. Some cinemas are screening the original VistaVision print

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of the film. VistaVision was a widescreen format that was

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introduced in the nineteen fifties, was very short lived, and

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Corbet wanted to reinvigorate Vista just to show the wide

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elements of how he shot the film. And I thought

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that was very effective. Guy Pierce, Yes, I agree, is

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very good. He won't win the Oscar though kan Culkin

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has that sewn up for a real pain. But I

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think the performances are very good.

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Overall.

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I think it goes too much into the financial sort

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of aspect and not enough into the architectural aspects of

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what brutalism is. Yes, I know it's not a bio

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pick of a real person. It's an amalgam of a

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number of architects who worked in the brutalist sort of fashion.

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Look there's a lot to admire in the film. I

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liked it very much, However, I wasn't one hundred percent

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enamored by it.

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Fair enough, well, I mean we should talk a little bit.

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You've touched on it in terms of the brutalist architecture

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and what that style is urged. Really, it emerged to

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me during the fifties, didn't it. I mean from recollection

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sort of reconstruction projects of the post war era. It

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was sort of UK based. That's my understanding. Do you

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have a different understanding. I mean that's largely true.

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America adopted it very quickly too, with its skyscrapers and

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the sort of approach that it's all very tough sort

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of architecture. It or looks quite awful on the surface,

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but of course it contained some great designs internally.

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Yeah, it was sort of I believe that it sort

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of was a reaction against the nostalgia of architecture in

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the nineteen forties. That's sort of from the modernist movement.

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That's kind of where it emerged from. Because I don't

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think when you look at the title, even though if

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you don't make the association, I think you'd come out

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of it and say, well, why is it called the

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brutalist right if you don't make the link to the architecture,

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so unpleased. At least we've discussed that, now, Okay, it

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was a.

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Post war when the economic times they didn't have, you know,

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the money for fancy buildings.

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Yes, it was, that's true. Yeah, very well, put Jackie,

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because if you look at the style, if you look

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at what Laslow is, I'm sorry, the use of concrete,

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the use of concrete, Yes, it's very it's very simple

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and in some respects, mind you the centerpiece of it.

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I thought again, the use of the sun and all

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that sort of stuff was pretty pretty special, quite frankly. Now, okay,

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let's let's go to you Greg in terms of your

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thought process. You just saw it recently, didn't you.

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Yeah. I went and saw it on the forty two

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degree day at the Nova Cinema, four hours into Shade.

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Yes, very clever of you. Okay, so did you.

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Definitely, But I'm not as the enamory of this film

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as you are. It's or anyone else you're not, or

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I'm not bestide commandment. I much preferred a completely unknown

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for me as a better film anyway. But the Brital

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is a film that certainly deserves to be seen on

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the big screen anyway, because it looks good as in

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a bold and ambitious film, addressing a lot of weighty

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scenes which I already mentioned, you know, the immigrant experience,

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that sense of cultural displacement, and the Sarah American dream

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and lots more there. And there's even some usual footage

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in here that gives us some insight into this industrial

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period of America in this era there. But I thought

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Cobby's Corbett's direction was a bit unhurried. The film likeapped

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the sense of urgency. The production design certainly gave us

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a strong sense of place there and loal crawl is

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west taking and often bleak cinematography.

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He captures some sark imagery.

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Of these architectural structures, and as I think you've mentioned,

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they're often shot from strange and just orientine, just orienting

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di orienting angles. And I thought it music the color

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palette gave with you a little bit of a gritty

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edge too. I want to called the Brutalist because of

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its punishing run time.

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Actually, and you hush, yeah, thank you.

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I thought the leagues were really but you are spoken

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about that how this Ronie and Peers had probably never

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been better in their careers.

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Brodye captures Leslow's flaud character.

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He immerses himself in his driven nature, his addictions, his paranoia,

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his ambition and arrogance, and even his pain. James was

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also strong as the long suffering there's a bit capturing

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her intelligence and storied nature.

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And I thought, I sorry, Greg, let me just seem

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to introject you've called it is a bit, which is

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actually her name I used just so people won't get confused.

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The English equivalent was Elizabeth, right, so it's a bit Elizabeth. Sorry,

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keep going.

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And I thought he has bought an early quality of

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his performances to suave but bittered van Buren there, and

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he gave this character a sinister edge here now my things.

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On the title of brutalist. It does refer to Leslow's character.

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Through his love of concrete and no stark billingsare, but

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to also refer to Van Buren's character because of some

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of his actions here, his nasty, tingy as yeah, and

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also the fact that he sort of likes to be

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in control, dominating and masked with his own universe. So

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there you go. But yeah, but a film with his

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punishing run time, epic sweep and what are her seeings?

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And bleak outlook and something you've solved to sit through?

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And I must admit the second half of Me fell away,

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and I found my mind wandering a little bit during

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this second half of the film, which I found not

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as compelling as the first half, and I felt that

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the film lost its way by the end.

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Really it's interesting, Okay, I disagree with that. What about

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the epilogue because I thought the epilogue was really eye opening?

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Mystery is good, but basically, no, no, okay, didn't do it?

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Now? Okay, Sandy, you have also seen the Brutalers, so

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we're on this pantheon all this line from brilliant to

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sort of Okay, do you see it? Well?

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I think it's a bit better than okay, and quite

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a let loss a lot less than brilliant. Did I

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don't want to go on too long about it, because

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I think we've all talked about it. But I think

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if you walk in there with high expectations, as I did,

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you are bound to be disappointed.

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If you were lucky enough to see it.

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Without any expectations, I'm sure you'll be pleasantly surprised.

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I'm not particularly into architecture.

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I think Adrian Brody does a great job in his role.

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I hated Guy Pierce. I thought his acting was absolute shite,

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So I didn't I think it could have been cut

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by at least half an hour or forty five minutes.

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And I don't have any problem with long movies, particularly

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if they have an intermission.

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But it didn't hold my attention the whole way. I

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thought there were long, long.

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Holes on shots that weren't necessary, that didn't really connect

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to my emotions at all. I wasn't really drawn into it.

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I can see what you're all talking about who love it,

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But I think there are better movies out there for

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the number one position on the Oscars for sure.

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Wow, Okay, m I rated two hundred and fifteen minutes,

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as we've said, three hours thirty five, with a fifteen

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minute in division one hour forty minutes in called the

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Brutal List. So Sandy, let's start with you because we'll

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get a score out of ten, and this will be

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fascinating given what you've just said, so we're well, I

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think i'll give it a seven. Yeah, okay, well that's

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not a bad mark, but it's a it's not great,

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it's like a slightly. It's like it's sent me above average.

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But you know, we seven out Greg, Sorry, Greg, you

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what about you? I'll do it ship sir. In ten.

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Oh my golly wow.

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The second half they just forced me in the second half.

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Sorry, gee whiz okay, Peter, nine out of ten for

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me and Jackie.

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Well, can I just say, Greg, I noted that you

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said you felt as though it left the sense of urgency,

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but I don't think it was that kind of film,

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So that didn't worry mate.

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When you already know that it's going to be a long.

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Film, you're not really expecting an urgent pace through the film,

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or at least I wasn't. So that would be my

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reaction to what you mentioned there, especially in the last

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second half.

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A settled into it.

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And definitely a nine out of ten from me for

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the Brutalist, right, and I'll go high mark here, nine

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and a half out of ten for the Brutalist. And

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I would urge people to see it because it's a

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special piece of work. You are on JAM and please

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contribute to the station. Fifty four bucks a year gets

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you membership and yes, we thrive on that because the

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station needs money to survive. So if you feel so inclined,

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twenty four to seven are programming hopefully a bit of intelligence,

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a bit of fun, and lots of good music. So

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let's talk about the movie that Jackie just referenced, a

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complete unknown, the Bob Dylan part by opic, and it's emerated.

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This one is also a long film at two hours

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twenty one minutes without an intermission. And also this.

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One didn't the time, A new one didn't bother me

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at all. I was talked the whole time.

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But okay, so Greg, let me start there. You are

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a Bob Dylan fan, yes, no, but I like some

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of his music, Okay, all right, So.

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I've never seen him live, even though he's been out

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here about four times.

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Okay, yeah, and you do go along and see quite

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a bit of music. So okay. Having said that, do

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you think that if you do not, if you're not

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a Bob Dylan fan, do you think you can appreciate

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this movie and enjoy it? Yes you can.

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There's an enjoyable film, and a concentration about four years

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of his life early career.

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Gives it a strong focus.

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Now is now? Yeah, and the music's great as well, Sandy,

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you are somebody who loves your music. Where does Bob

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Dylan sit in your your head in terms of of talent?

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And are you interested in him, you know, as a

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musician compared to others.

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The only the only album I like from Bob Dylan

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is his very last one, this latest one that he

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put out a couple of years ago.

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Now, I've never been a fan.

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Of his music.

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I do like his poetry, but I could never stand

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his voice. I think, in my opinion, should have stuck

456
00:25:20.720 --> 00:25:24.680
to writing lyrics and maybe maybe done a book rather

457
00:25:24.759 --> 00:25:26.960
than some a whole bunch of songs.

458
00:25:27.119 --> 00:25:29.599
But I get his appeal for people who could live

459
00:25:29.640 --> 00:25:29.880
with that.

460
00:25:31.119 --> 00:25:35.720
I like this movie, although it was too music driven

461
00:25:35.880 --> 00:25:36.839
for my taste.

462
00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:40.759
That's interesting. So it's too music driven where and a

463
00:25:40.799 --> 00:25:42.839
lot of you a lot of what you like his music.

464
00:25:42.960 --> 00:25:44.440
So yeah, but I.

465
00:25:44.440 --> 00:25:47.400
Don't like his music. I don't like very much from

466
00:25:47.440 --> 00:25:50.960
that folk era or music. Maybe that's my age. I'm

467
00:25:50.960 --> 00:25:54.160
a little bit too young for that era. But some

468
00:25:54.200 --> 00:25:57.920
of it I liked, but there was Yeah, I didn't

469
00:25:57.960 --> 00:25:59.519
really love the music.

470
00:25:59.240 --> 00:26:02.400
All that much. This I liked the story, I liked

471
00:26:02.480 --> 00:26:04.920
the the his journey.

472
00:26:05.279 --> 00:26:09.920
I liked his kutzpah and and his confidence and his cheekiness.

473
00:26:10.640 --> 00:26:13.160
I didn't like the way he treated women, particularly.

474
00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:18.160
I didn't think that the woman, the actress playing Joan Baiers.

475
00:26:19.559 --> 00:26:20.680
Did that very well.

476
00:26:20.720 --> 00:26:22.880
In terms if she was much better looking than Joan

477
00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:26.359
Baiers with whom Bob Dylan had a scene.

478
00:26:26.079 --> 00:26:28.680
I had no problem with that whatsoever, Sandy. We liked

479
00:26:28.680 --> 00:26:29.359
the way she looked.

480
00:26:29.440 --> 00:26:30.599
Yeah, okay, but it.

481
00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:34.920
Wasn't Sorry, that's a very resisious thing to say. I

482
00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:38.759
thought I thought her voice was extraordinary. I really did

483
00:26:38.799 --> 00:26:41.640
you not think she had a good voice? I just

484
00:26:41.640 --> 00:26:42.799
didem'ed like what they were singing.

485
00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:45.200
I mean, I just I kind of you sat there

486
00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:47.440
through the songs and wanted to get back to the action.

487
00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:48.319
I like.

488
00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:48.839
I like.

489
00:26:50.039 --> 00:26:53.240
By the way we're talking about Monticaro was what was

490
00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:56.400
the machine top gun? The most recent top Gun?

491
00:26:57.519 --> 00:26:57.920
Is that? Why?

492
00:26:59.440 --> 00:27:02.400
That's that's back of my head somewhere, Peter. Do you

493
00:27:02.440 --> 00:27:05.319
know whether Monica Bomaro was in the most recent top

494
00:27:05.359 --> 00:27:07.759
Gun movie? I don't know.

495
00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:08.680
I'd have to look it up.

496
00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:10.960
That's all right, No, No, that's fine. All right. Well, let's

497
00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:13.480
talk a little bit about the film just so we've

498
00:27:13.480 --> 00:27:17.240
got a bit more of a context. So it focuses,

499
00:27:17.279 --> 00:27:18.839
as Greg said, on what he did and how he

500
00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:21.680
did it between nineteen sixty one and sixty five, so

501
00:27:21.680 --> 00:27:24.960
it's a very finite period, the very early days. And

502
00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:27.480
he sort of arrives unannounced with a guitar in hand,

503
00:27:28.160 --> 00:27:29.640
this nineteen year old kid.

504
00:27:30.759 --> 00:27:33.480
Yeah, I'll just interrupted Alis. She wasn't top gun Maverick.

505
00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:36.839
Oh, thank you, Greg, I appreciate our good Okay, Yeah,

506
00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:40.480
I don't know why, just so yeah, okay. Now he

507
00:27:40.720 --> 00:27:44.079
seeks out the legendary Woody Guthrie, who is in a

508
00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:49.640
veterans hospital in New Jersey, and with Guthrie alongside him,

509
00:27:49.839 --> 00:27:52.480
is a fellow. So focusing here of renown in Pete

510
00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:57.359
Seeger and Dylan plays Guthrie, who is in a really

511
00:27:57.400 --> 00:28:00.759
bad way. He's unable to speak. He's actually got Huntingdon's disease.

512
00:28:01.319 --> 00:28:05.480
He plays Guthrie a song that he wrote especially for him,

513
00:28:05.799 --> 00:28:10.400
and both Seger and Guthrie immediately recognize his talent. Seger

514
00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:13.319
is the one who actually opens doors for him, and

515
00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:17.559
without pretense, with just raw talent, Dylan taps into the

516
00:28:17.559 --> 00:28:20.839
culture of that time, and we're talking about eighty war

517
00:28:20.920 --> 00:28:24.240
and civil rights activism being prominent. So the US is

518
00:28:24.279 --> 00:28:28.480
sort of grappling with profound social, political, and cultural upheaval.

519
00:28:29.079 --> 00:28:34.200
Now Dylan's rise is meteoric, so too is his discomfort

520
00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:37.720
with the fandom that follows, notwithstanding his pleasure to receive

521
00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:40.480
the endorsement of one of the biggest names at that time,

522
00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:44.160
Johnny Cash and the film, and this is again where

523
00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:49.000
Sandy references his relationships. The film explores Dylan's intimate relationship,

524
00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:52.200
so specifically, it covers his time with an artist and

525
00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:55.759
freedom fighter called Sylvie Russo. Now I didn't better. You

526
00:28:55.839 --> 00:28:57.440
might be able to explain this, and you usually go

527
00:28:57.440 --> 00:29:00.319
a little bit of depth there. Sylvie Russo is a

528
00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:05.680
surrogate for the real life Sues Rottolo. So I don't

529
00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:09.200
understand why they wouldn't have used the Sues Rottolo rather

530
00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:11.119
than Sylvie Russo. Do you have any understanding of that?

531
00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:16.400
Pardon me, sus didn't let them use their name of

532
00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:20.839
some sort of legal Ah okay, all right, thank you,

533
00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:23.960
I feel well informed now, So okay, So there were

534
00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:26.880
those two characters, Joan Biez of course being the other,

535
00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:30.400
and Dylan is very much painted as this wandering soul

536
00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:34.039
who was sickle in affairs of the heart. And although

537
00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:38.039
he was wholeheartedly embraced by the folk music movement, the

538
00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:41.640
movie A Complete Unknown shows how he upset the status

539
00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:45.799
quo by adopting the electric guitar. Right, that was a

540
00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:48.400
no no as far as the folk movement was concerned.

541
00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:50.920
So everything comes to a head at the nineteen sixty

542
00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:54.599
five Newport Folk Festival. So you know, that's kind of

543
00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:57.680
it's that's the zenith I feel like of the film,

544
00:29:58.000 --> 00:29:59.920
and I really enjoyed it. I thought it was a

545
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:02.319
really captured the essence of one of the most accomplished

546
00:30:02.480 --> 00:30:05.599
singer songwriters in history. Co written with Jay Cox, who

547
00:30:05.599 --> 00:30:08.680
did Silenced by the director of the film James Mangold.

548
00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:12.519
Very fine director actually for Versus Ferrari was an excellent

549
00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:15.440
movie as well that he did, and his dedication to

550
00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:19.759
authenticity I've found really impressive. The look that the feel,

551
00:30:19.799 --> 00:30:23.839
the sound of the times all captured very skillfully. And

552
00:30:24.200 --> 00:30:27.039
as Dylan wrote, dare I use a cliche, the times

553
00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:29.880
they are a change and the actors and this is

554
00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:32.400
what really I thought that at a brilliant job. They

555
00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:36.200
did their own singing and playing and because of COVID,

556
00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:39.200
they basically had five years to work on this and

557
00:30:39.759 --> 00:30:43.039
that really has paid off. Vocally, they're awesome, and of

558
00:30:43.039 --> 00:30:45.720
course the music. While the music is that the hits

559
00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:47.920
and the less and no numbers. And I happen to

560
00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:50.279
be a huge Dylan fan, so I don't need to

561
00:30:50.279 --> 00:30:51.880
say any more than that. But even if you're not,

562
00:30:52.519 --> 00:30:55.200
I think this story is really beautifully told. And Timothy

563
00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:59.079
Chalomay is quite luminous as the enigma that is Bob Dylan.

564
00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:01.920
He's driven by the beat of his own drum, and

565
00:31:01.960 --> 00:31:06.359
he's aloof he's restless, he's unrelenting. And you've got el

566
00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:09.519
Fanning wearing her heart on a sleeve of Silvie Russo,

567
00:31:09.799 --> 00:31:14.039
who time and again had her heart broken and her

568
00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:18.759
adoration and her disappointment clearly on show. And I've mentioned

569
00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:23.359
Monica Babaro melifluous that the tone in her voice she's

570
00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:28.160
I found her quite what's the word revelatory as baias

571
00:31:28.240 --> 00:31:32.039
Joan Bias. I could readily lose myself in those golden

572
00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:34.559
tonsils any day. I'd actually go to a concert that

573
00:31:34.599 --> 00:31:37.839
she gives. Her voice is that powerful and that good.

574
00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:41.839
And I really like Edward Norton as Pete Seeger painted

575
00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:43.359
as sort of one of the good guys whose love

576
00:31:43.359 --> 00:31:48.359
of the art form folk music knows no bounds. And

577
00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:51.720
Scoot McNair is is quite a tragic but revered figure

578
00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:55.680
as the ailing Woody Guthrie, and Boyd Holbrook imbues Johnny

579
00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:59.200
Cash with muscularity. So I reckon this is a very

580
00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:04.240
very fine James Mangold is to be congratulated. Timothy shallamay ol.

581
00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:08.000
It captures the essence of a musical genius who refused

582
00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:12.599
to be tamed. So let's start with you on this one, Peter,

583
00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:14.839
what did you think of a complete unknown?

584
00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:17.759
I was very impressed by the film because as a

585
00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:21.240
biopic it wasn't afraid to be a warts and all

586
00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:26.680
sort of characterization of Bob Dylan and the way he

587
00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:31.440
did treat women, et cetera, which was very stand offish. Look,

588
00:32:31.720 --> 00:32:38.119
it's remarkably well production designed. Certainly the sixties are really

589
00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:42.559
well evoked, and all the actors, as he said, are excellentists,

590
00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:46.880
especially the ones who were singing for themselves rather than

591
00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:51.279
being dubbed. And chalamay is superb in the in the

592
00:32:51.319 --> 00:32:55.119
title role. Was I really like this film? I'm not

593
00:32:55.160 --> 00:32:58.240
a great Bob Dylan fan, but I was impressed by

594
00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:02.480
the story and by the characterization, and by the sixties

595
00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:07.279
time period and how he slotted in to that time period.

596
00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:10.519
So yep, I highly recommend a film.

597
00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:13.519
And Sandy, you start off with some remarks. What more

598
00:33:13.559 --> 00:33:18.000
can you say about a complete unknown? Sandy?

599
00:33:18.319 --> 00:33:22.519
Yeah, sorry, sorry, I really did like it. It's a

600
00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:23.160
great story.

601
00:33:23.839 --> 00:33:28.200
His life is super interesting, especially during that period, and

602
00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:34.319
how you revolutionized the whole music industry is just fascinating.

603
00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:36.799
I hated the casting of the guy who played Johnny Cash.

604
00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:38.960
I thought that was really bad, but I will go

605
00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:44.359
along with you with everybody else apart from apart from

606
00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:50.519
what's her name was cast well to Bayers, thank.

607
00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:52.880
You character you okay?

608
00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:56.359
Yeah, but I thought in saying that the acting was great,

609
00:33:56.440 --> 00:33:57.400
the singing was great.

610
00:33:58.119 --> 00:34:00.039
I did. I did really enjoy it.

611
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:03.000
And it's a long movie, but it didn't feel like

612
00:34:03.039 --> 00:34:05.079
a long movie because you wanted to keep watching and

613
00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:06.319
see what happened.

614
00:34:06.319 --> 00:34:09.480
That moved along very well. I enjoyed it. Now, Greg,

615
00:34:09.519 --> 00:34:12.039
you said you like this more than the Brutalist.

616
00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:16.239
Yes, I did, but there's any justification I reckon. Timothy

617
00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:21.119
Shell made deserves an Oscar. But yeah, it he in

618
00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:23.239
habits to carry with Bob John From the first time

619
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:25.320
you see him on screen with that hat, carrying a

620
00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:27.480
guitar and jacket, which is straight off one of his

621
00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:30.559
album covers, you accept this is Bob Dylan.

622
00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:34.400
Isn't it. I mean we talked about great actors. Timothy

623
00:34:34.400 --> 00:34:37.239
shallow may is certainly from I think it was twenty

624
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:39.960
seventeen that he came on board with Call Me by

625
00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:42.920
Your Name, and boy did he announce himself. And it's

626
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:45.840
hard to believe he's for such a strong career. He's

627
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:48.719
only a young guy, right, I mean we're relatively young guy,

628
00:34:48.880 --> 00:34:52.360
so you know, he hasn't been around forever. But what

629
00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:54.679
he touches seems to turn a gold and you know,

630
00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:57.639
I commend him for that because you know he's had

631
00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:01.719
a huge impact, more than most his age, don't you agree.

632
00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:04.599
Yeah, well, it's just amazing now that Adrian radio wife

633
00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:05.119
when he won.

634
00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:09.119
His first SOS cut, Well I believe he's only twenty nine,

635
00:35:09.159 --> 00:35:09.519
isn't is that?

636
00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:11.920
So that was aiding Roy wife when he won his

637
00:35:11.920 --> 00:35:16.440
first So yeah, okay, anyway, Look, we've had a number

638
00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:20.760
of music bio pips in recent years. Things like Bohemian Rhapsody, Rocketman,

639
00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:24.239
Elvis better Managecter. But I think A Completely Unknown is

640
00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:26.880
one of the best entries in this subgenre, and the

641
00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:29.239
fact that it concentrates on one sort of pivotcul period

642
00:35:29.320 --> 00:35:32.239
in his life, rather than following his entire story, gives

643
00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:33.559
the film a stronger focus.

644
00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:35.519
And Eve, if you're not a particular fan of.

645
00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:39.440
Dylan Rory's music, this is an absorbing biopic that a

646
00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:42.239
chemps to capture the essence of this thing is prickly

647
00:35:42.760 --> 00:35:44.920
elusive and reclusive personality there.

648
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:45.960
And I thought Timothy E.

649
00:35:46.039 --> 00:35:46.679
Challer May.

650
00:35:48.039 --> 00:35:51.360
In Habits of Charactery highlights the contradictions and contrary nature

651
00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:52.280
of Dyllian's character.

652
00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:55.400
He deliver was his most impressive performance today, I.

653
00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:57.599
Think, And in the fact that he does his own singing,

654
00:35:57.920 --> 00:36:01.480
he captures Dylan's particularly distinctive nasally style.

655
00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:02.360
Added to the.

656
00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:05.440
Film, I thought, and I agree ed Norton was superb

657
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:09.400
as Seega, bringing an essential air of distancing integrity to

658
00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:09.920
the character.

659
00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:12.559
I thought, even though you don't like even though.

660
00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:16.400
Sandy didn't like Boyd Horrook as Johnny Cashier, he did

661
00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:20.480
capture his signature shotgun style guitar playing though, And I

662
00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:23.159
like the film, I thought, and Peter's mentioned the period

663
00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:28.239
detail is really beautifully done there. The cinematography Immerses is

664
00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:31.000
into this aesthetic of New York in the early sixties

665
00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:33.639
where it's smoke, film, music clubs and all that kind

666
00:36:33.679 --> 00:36:36.280
of stuff. And I thought, I like chat Change Mangbol

667
00:36:36.280 --> 00:36:38.960
as a director. I think his mascular direction and attention

668
00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:41.800
to detail works for this film. And the soundtrack is

669
00:36:41.880 --> 00:36:43.360
later with plenty of hits from the era.

670
00:36:43.719 --> 00:36:46.880
So yeah, I like this film for me. It's one

671
00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:48.119
of the rest films for the years so far.

672
00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:51.320
Now I want to ask you about Monique Babari. You

673
00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:53.519
haven't commented on her. That's saying he didn't sort of

674
00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:54.519
appreciate this.

675
00:36:54.519 --> 00:36:56.159
All right as John Bayers?

676
00:36:56.239 --> 00:36:58.079
Yeah, okay, fair enough?

677
00:36:58.119 --> 00:37:02.320
And what about sorry, Greg, I've got nothing really about

678
00:37:02.360 --> 00:37:03.559
drained by his to compare or with.

679
00:37:03.719 --> 00:37:06.199
So I'm sure she did a job of capting her

680
00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:07.280
m hmm.

681
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:12.440
The well Jackie, you and Dylan and what what do

682
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:15.880
you think of a complete unknown? I'm a Gyllan fan.

683
00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:18.159
I've seen him in Melbourne Live twice.

684
00:37:19.719 --> 00:37:22.159
Yeah, yeah, did he have his back to when he played?

685
00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:23.480
So?

686
00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:25.400
Did he did he have his back to you when

687
00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:25.920
he played?

688
00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:28.920
Did he have his back to me when he played?

689
00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:34.480
He has many times performed on stage and had he's

690
00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:37.199
back to your Had he's back to the audience.

691
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:39.679
All the time? Oh he didn't, another guy, isn't he?

692
00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:43.519
Yeah, when he was at Blues Fester about three or

693
00:37:43.559 --> 00:37:45.079
four years three or four years ago.

694
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:48.119
Apparently he's had his back to the audience the whole

695
00:37:48.119 --> 00:37:48.639
time you play.

696
00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:52.519
So is that is that about the fandom thing that

697
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:55.679
is obviously captured that he does uncomfortable? Yeah?

698
00:37:55.760 --> 00:37:57.639
Yeah, or he is a lootiss on stage?

699
00:37:57.719 --> 00:37:58.800
Yeah?

700
00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:06.280
Okay, Jacky excellent film. It captures that era, It captures

701
00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:09.480
the vibe and the era and this young man sort

702
00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:12.920
of you know, launching himself out into the music world.

703
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:18.039
His obsession with music is what really comes through in

704
00:38:18.079 --> 00:38:20.559
this film. And I think that you mentioned, you know,

705
00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:24.039
him being thickle with women and that like he was

706
00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:26.159
nineteen twenty twenty.

707
00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:28.559
One, you know, you know a lot of young guys.

708
00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:31.559
I didn't think it. I didn't think that said his

709
00:38:31.719 --> 00:38:35.119
character so much. It showed what he was up to, yes,

710
00:38:35.519 --> 00:38:36.880
but I.

711
00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:41.800
Didn't judge him really really. Okay. That stuns me actually,

712
00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:44.480
because I must admit I have felt the same way

713
00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:47.320
as Andy. I thought, you know what a heel I

714
00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:55.079
like clearly the amalgam character that he treated her shamefully.

715
00:38:56.039 --> 00:38:58.559
I didn't think there was any excuse for that anyway.

716
00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:04.440
Yes years old, okay, So I've got no idea. You know,

717
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:06.719
I don't know his background and how he was brought up,

718
00:39:06.760 --> 00:39:11.760
et cetera, et cetera, but he kind of he sort

719
00:39:11.760 --> 00:39:14.679
of stamped all over her, and I just didn't think

720
00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:17.960
that was appropriate. But anyway, that's just me. Well, maybe he.

721
00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:20.639
Wasn't one hundred percent passionately in love with her, and

722
00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:26.840
you know, there were intimate conversations that this film doesn't

723
00:39:27.199 --> 00:39:28.000
make us privy toy.

724
00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:30.719
So anyway, that didn't worry me so much. It was

725
00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:31.840
an interesting.

726
00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:36.079
Part of his growth period here, and talking of it being,

727
00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:38.920
as Peter said, just a very short period of his

728
00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:42.920
life really intensified it for me. And I would see

729
00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:46.280
this film again for every four year period of Pop

730
00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:48.880
Killen's life if it was done as well.

731
00:39:48.719 --> 00:39:51.519
As Part seven of Villains. How old is he now?

732
00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:55.559
Is eighty three or something? Right? Eighty five? Okay, So Jackie,

733
00:39:55.559 --> 00:39:59.920
you can break that up for me, shall you? Three

734
00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:01.320
and so I'm going.

735
00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:03.960
To interrupt, this film works much better as a film

736
00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:07.079
about Dylan that thing I'm not there, the one where

737
00:40:07.239 --> 00:40:09.760
from Tom's six different.

738
00:40:11.119 --> 00:40:15.199
I agree, Yes, yeah, it's it's much more use of

739
00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:16.119
frowd should.

740
00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:16.519
We what do you have?

741
00:40:17.119 --> 00:40:18.119
An insightful I thought?

742
00:40:18.519 --> 00:40:23.039
I wonder, wonder? Sorry, both of you agree. One of

743
00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:25.760
the things that struck me though we talked about this,

744
00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:28.159
that he had they had five years, if you like,

745
00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:32.519
in terms of perfecting their singing and whatever. I think

746
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:35.239
that was a luxury that you know, very few filmmakers have,

747
00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:39.079
and it just because because of the times, I think

748
00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:41.000
that made it a better film. Do you not agree

749
00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:43.159
with that? I'm tired, and I.

750
00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:44.800
Don't know whether the time made it a better film

751
00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:46.800
or not. I think it's just the way to it

752
00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:48.280
all hang together worked.

753
00:40:48.119 --> 00:40:51.440
From the film in as much as obviously, if you're

754
00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:56.239
going to suddenly adopt the singing of somebody who still exists,

755
00:40:56.719 --> 00:40:58.920
that's a hell of a it's a hell of an

756
00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:02.159
ask right not only to sing, but actually sing. In

757
00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:04.679
that same show, you've.

758
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:07.199
Got the bipits like better Man of Robbie Williams who

759
00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:10.519
is still around, Rocketman about Elton John who's still around,

760
00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:12.159
so that doesn't seem.

761
00:41:11.960 --> 00:41:15.599
To be an issue. Okay, sorry, Jackie, please go ahead.

762
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:17.039
I agree with you, Alex.

763
00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:20.400
I think that was one of the pivotal things about

764
00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:24.199
this film that I was gobsmacked when I first heard

765
00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:28.719
Timothy Chalomy singing with Dylan's voice.

766
00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:31.840
I was blown away. I thought he was just spot

767
00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:35.159
on with that, and it really showed a commitment to

768
00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:38.880
his craft in that, and the guitar work as well,

769
00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:44.320
and the what's that thing called the harmonica monitor work

770
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:47.079
that he did as well.

771
00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:50.039
Was very pleased you mention that, Jackie, because that really

772
00:41:50.119 --> 00:41:51.679
was it was very special.

773
00:41:51.719 --> 00:41:51.920
Yeah.

774
00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:53.760
I agree, And of course it was.

775
00:41:53.719 --> 00:41:57.000
Also covered that period of time when you know, as

776
00:41:57.039 --> 00:42:02.039
he rose in fame, you know, quite dramatic and and

777
00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:05.039
was dealing with that to then turn his back on

778
00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:08.519
folk music. This is the critical point of the film

779
00:42:08.519 --> 00:42:10.840
to you know, sort of about two thirds.

780
00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:12.480
Through and goes electric.

781
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:18.480
You know, how his relationship with his passionate huge following

782
00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:20.480
really turns there.

783
00:42:20.559 --> 00:42:21.960
That's I found that interesting.

784
00:42:22.639 --> 00:42:25.079
One thing I would have liked more of there was

785
00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:31.519
some uh some relationship with him finding his protest voice

786
00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:36.719
and singing and that becoming very popular in the current

787
00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:38.760
of which saw some of the current affairs that was

788
00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:41.400
that on the TV usually.

789
00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:42.159
Was where it came up.

790
00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:44.039
I would have liked even more of that, you know,

791
00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:45.039
more setting in.

792
00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:47.280
The times, more of what was going on.

793
00:42:47.239 --> 00:42:49.719
And I think that could feel be more but but

794
00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:52.360
nevertheless it was well done that way.

795
00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:56.679
Terrific. Okay, So let's get some scores. Let's start with you, Sandy,

796
00:42:56.800 --> 00:43:00.000
Complete Unknown. It's M rated. It's one hundred and forty

797
00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:02.639
one minutes, two hours, twenty one score out of ten,

798
00:43:03.199 --> 00:43:07.519
eight eight out of ten, okay, Greg Greek King nine

799
00:43:07.599 --> 00:43:11.559
out of ten, Peter nine out of ten, from me,

800
00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:15.760
Jacqueline nine out of ten, and eight and a half

801
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:18.519
from me. Well, there's a strong consistency there that is

802
00:43:18.559 --> 00:43:22.639
most impressive. A complete Unknown on Jaya. You're talking to

803
00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:27.239
Alex First and Jackie Hamilton, to Sandy Kay, to Peter

804
00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:31.639
Kraus and to Greg King. Now Maria talking about biopics,

805
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:35.800
et cetera. Embrated two hours and three minutes. The lauded

806
00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:40.119
American born Greek opera singer Maria Kallis, who lived from

807
00:43:40.199 --> 00:43:45.039
nineteen twenty three to nineteen seventy seven, so a relatively

808
00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:48.000
short life. Her final days are captured in this movie,

809
00:43:48.239 --> 00:43:52.760
and by then her famed soprano voice has gone and

810
00:43:53.119 --> 00:43:56.840
she hasn't performed in years, and she's played by Angelina Jolie.

811
00:43:56.880 --> 00:44:00.360
She's holed up in her luxury Paris apartment with her

812
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:05.239
her two loyal staff for Ruccio and Bruna, along with

813
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:09.199
a couple of small dogs. I'm sure you would appreciate that, Jackie. Anyway,

814
00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:14.239
she's popping pills as if their lollyes and having frequent hallucinations,

815
00:44:14.840 --> 00:44:17.800
and she pines for the love of her life, shipping

816
00:44:17.880 --> 00:44:23.440
magnate Aristotle onasses. Now, a television crew led by an

817
00:44:23.480 --> 00:44:27.039
interviewer called Mandrax, filled by an Australian actor called Cody

818
00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:31.679
Smith McPhee arrives to film a documentary on her life

819
00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:35.440
and she's prevailed upon to make one final attempt at

820
00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:39.840
singing like she used to, which proves futile. Now in

821
00:44:39.880 --> 00:44:43.159
her mind, she remains the diva for which she was

822
00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:45.719
noted as being, and she can be aloof, she can

823
00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:51.079
be dismissive, indignant, but she still covets atiation. So it's

824
00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:55.280
very much an interpretation of Callus's end by the writer

825
00:44:55.400 --> 00:44:59.800
Stephen Knight and the director Pablo Lorraine, who also collaborated

826
00:44:59.840 --> 00:45:02.760
on I Might Say on Spencer, and it flits between

827
00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:06.519
black and white and color interspersed with actual footage of

828
00:45:06.599 --> 00:45:10.320
callous performing, and the picture of painters is hardly a

829
00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:14.360
pretty one. The film reveals how she met and was

830
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:18.800
pursued by Aristotle Onasses while she was still married, and

831
00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:22.039
it details how he did not want her to sing,

832
00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:25.679
and it harks back to her difficult, impoverished childhood with

833
00:45:25.719 --> 00:45:28.920
her sister and how she was estranged from her mother.

834
00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:32.559
And it's difficult discern how much of what's presented is

835
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:35.880
actually fact and how much is fiction. One thing is

836
00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:39.800
clear hers was hardly a trouble free life, and while

837
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:42.239
watching Marie, I couldn't help but think of Loraine's earlier

838
00:45:42.239 --> 00:45:46.360
biopic Jackie, that was on the first Lady Jacqueline Kennedy

839
00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:50.719
on as Eventually, there are similarities in style, elements of

840
00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:54.920
fantasy and whimsy, and Angelina Jolly inhabits the soul of

841
00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:58.880
callous with style. She sings well. Although I wasn't always

842
00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:02.360
sold on the lip syncing. I found that troubling, especially

843
00:46:02.440 --> 00:46:06.199
early on. I appreciated the representation of the man servant

844
00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:10.880
for Ruccio and basically, he tried everything possible to try

845
00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:14.159
to help Callous in spite of herself. Having said that,

846
00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:16.920
it became perfectly clear that the end was near, and

847
00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:20.199
she do what she ultimately wanted to do. Ultimately, there's

848
00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:24.079
a turbulence and sadness about Maria the film and its

849
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:28.679
representation of a fated songstress who lived for the stage

850
00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:32.760
and has shown in this movie. She soared and then

851
00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:38.039
she stumbled. So, okay, let's do a comparison here, Jackie,

852
00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:40.960
what did you think of Maria compared to a complete

853
00:46:41.039 --> 00:46:46.639
unknown and Maria on its own? Oh, Alexa barely gave

854
00:46:46.760 --> 00:46:53.559
Maria a pass? Really? Okay? Dollars dishwater? Yeah? Yeah, so

855
00:46:53.920 --> 00:46:56.760
you wanted, you wanted more, you wanted There wasn't enough

856
00:46:56.760 --> 00:46:59.760
substance to it. Is that what you say? You said?

857
00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:01.920
It's time too hard to be mysterious?

858
00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:05.119
And artists, I think, and I didn't feel as though

859
00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:09.320
I got to know the person. And even Angelaine Shaley

860
00:47:09.519 --> 00:47:14.119
is highly respect as an actress. I think she's amazing.

861
00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:17.239
She just didn't look right in this. Maybe she was

862
00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:19.119
too beautiful or maybe she was.

863
00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:25.400
Real that's interesting, Okay. I actually thought she represented Callus

864
00:47:25.519 --> 00:47:29.000
very very well. I kind of wondered whether the whole

865
00:47:29.079 --> 00:47:32.360
idea of I'm not sure how many months it represents,

866
00:47:32.440 --> 00:47:35.800
but you know, the focusing on the end of her

867
00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:38.320
life and whatever. I kind of wondered whether that was

868
00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:40.280
the right choice. Actually, I don't know whether you thought

869
00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:41.480
that while you were watching it.

870
00:47:41.960 --> 00:47:45.159
I think I agree with you, or that there's definitely

871
00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:49.119
something off about it that just didn't didn't get into me.

872
00:47:49.639 --> 00:47:54.159
Yep, okay to jet I was going to call you

873
00:47:54.199 --> 00:47:55.559
next to Anyways, Where's Go?

874
00:47:56.320 --> 00:48:01.119
This movie focuses only on the last week of her lifetly,

875
00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:04.119
only the last seven days, which seems to be a

876
00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:07.400
very strange choice for somebody who ultimately dies.

877
00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:07.679
Right.

878
00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:12.639
It's very very dark, and I didn't get a sense.

879
00:48:12.519 --> 00:48:16.920
Of the joy that Maria Callis either felt while she

880
00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:17.800
was singing.

881
00:48:17.639 --> 00:48:20.440
In her in her heyday or the joy she gave

882
00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:21.199
to an audience.

883
00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:24.960
So there was no there was no cutting into the

884
00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:28.000
timeline to kind of reflect on what she had been.

885
00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:30.840
What we see is a very sorry woman.

886
00:48:31.400 --> 00:48:34.400
I don't think Angelina Jolie was the right woman to

887
00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:37.519
play this part. She does play it quite well, but

888
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:39.920
she doesn't look anything like Maria Callis.

889
00:48:40.039 --> 00:48:41.679
Maria Callis was charted.

890
00:48:41.440 --> 00:48:44.320
As being one of the most beautiful women in the world.

891
00:48:44.320 --> 00:48:46.559
But with the end credits role and you see what

892
00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:49.920
she actually looked like. I kind of found myself going

893
00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:55.360
why because she was no beauty in my humble opinion, But.

894
00:48:55.480 --> 00:48:57.719
I didn't think. I mean, I think Angelina Jolie is

895
00:48:57.719 --> 00:48:58.719
a very attractive lady.

896
00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:00.760
Yeah I do, but she didn't look a thing like

897
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:01.639
Maria Callis.

898
00:49:01.719 --> 00:49:02.360
I think there are a.

899
00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:05.840
Whole lot of actresses out there that could have sometimes

900
00:49:06.400 --> 00:49:10.280
doesn't matter, you can believe anyway if they didn't. And

901
00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:14.280
I thought that that Angelina was way too skinny. Now

902
00:49:14.280 --> 00:49:17.039
I do know that Maria Callis lost a whole lot

903
00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:19.519
of weight between nineteen fifty three and ninety four.

904
00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:22.400
That made it harder for her to support her vocal parrots.

905
00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:25.280
All about her losing this voice of hers and not

906
00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:26.480
being able to sing anymore.

907
00:49:26.519 --> 00:49:26.719
Right.

908
00:49:26.960 --> 00:49:28.000
She suffered from.

909
00:49:27.880 --> 00:49:34.039
A disease called dermatomysotis, which is an auto autoimmune disease

910
00:49:34.039 --> 00:49:37.840
that causes muscle inflammation and weakness difficulty swallowing.

911
00:49:38.079 --> 00:49:41.559
She was nearly blind on stage. She couldn't see anything anymore.

912
00:49:41.599 --> 00:49:45.400
She had a neuromuscular disease She was also clearly addicted

913
00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:48.400
to speed and other sedatives, and she was overworked.

914
00:49:48.599 --> 00:49:51.800
She was a shell of her former self, which is

915
00:49:51.880 --> 00:49:53.920
okay if that's the bit of her that you want

916
00:49:53.960 --> 00:49:57.000
to explore. Personally, if it was my life, I wouldn't

917
00:49:57.039 --> 00:50:00.519
want my worst bits highlighted like that. I've at least

918
00:50:00.519 --> 00:50:03.199
pay some attention to my best bits. And that's what

919
00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:06.880
the director did, both with the Jackie film and with

920
00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:08.320
the Princess Diana.

921
00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:09.239
One that he did too.

922
00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:17.360
It wasn't all just darkness.

923
00:50:14.199 --> 00:50:15.280
To make a film about you.

924
00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:17.480
Will remember you saying that we'll focus on your best

925
00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:18.800
bit sake, thank you, Jackie.

926
00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:21.760
That would be great, and it was very diplomatically put

927
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:24.519
as well. I thought's any we'll focus on your best bits.

928
00:50:24.519 --> 00:50:28.159
But there you go. Having having said that, it's the

929
00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:31.239
down nature of this that you seem to be picking

930
00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:34.039
up on that makes it a hard watch. Is that

931
00:50:34.079 --> 00:50:36.559
what you're saying? Well, it was. It was all dark.

932
00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:38.760
There was no light and shade about it at all.

933
00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:41.840
It was just all shade, and as a result, it's

934
00:50:41.880 --> 00:50:43.719
pretty boring. I mean I didn't really give it.

935
00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:43.960
Damn.

936
00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:48.320
Whether she died today or in a few days time, Okay.

937
00:50:48.119 --> 00:50:51.519
Fair enough there you go straight to the point, Peter,

938
00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:54.880
are you going to give it any any greater credence

939
00:50:55.519 --> 00:50:57.360
than we have thus far? Well.

940
00:50:57.639 --> 00:51:01.320
I admire the director Pablo Lorraine because this is the

941
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third part of his trilogy dealing with prominent women who

942
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in the last week or so of their life had

943
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to deal with a number of personal issues. And so

944
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I think after Jackie and Spencer and then now with Maria,

945
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he's done a reasonable job in trying to portray that.

946
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And yes, Maria's last week or so of her life

947
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is somewhat darker. It's interesting to note that this is

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a semi remake of a film that was made twenty

949
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years ago. Would start Fanny Adult as Maria Callous, which

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also dealt with the last week of her life, but

951
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dealt with it in a somewhat more positive sort of way.

952
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And there was an excellent documentary Maria by Callous about

953
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seven years ago, which dealt with the whole persona of

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00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:56.000
Maria Callous. So I didn't mind this film. I thought

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he'd done a reasonable job in trying to portray the

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personal issues that she had to deal with in the

957
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last week of her life. I just didn't feel that

958
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it was a strong enough depiction of Maria Kallis, and

959
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yes we had to see the real Maria Kallos in

960
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the newsreels and so on at the end of the

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film to have perhaps a bit more understanding of who

962
00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:23.079
she was, although not not particularly much. The Cody smit

963
00:52:23.320 --> 00:52:27.960
McPhee character was totally unnecessary and was a device put

964
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in just to show that she wanted to talk about

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00:52:33.000 --> 00:52:35.599
her life, but it was just it didn't do anything

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for me, So look overall, a mild disappointment, but nevertheless,

967
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there's enough in the film to admire, and I think

968
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Angelina Joly did a reasonable job in trying to mimic

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the last week of Maria Kallis's life.

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Now, Greg, we're short on time. I'm sorry to say

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that to you, but what were your thoughts about Maria.

972
00:52:56.679 --> 00:53:00.000
I thought it a super gamb didn't do anything more.

973
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The multiple different formats you use, you know, jumps in time.

974
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There is no real idea of what time frame we're in.

975
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Half the time and that character that you alluded to, Peter,

976
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the Cody Smith mcfree character named man Rex. I read

977
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somewhere that that's actually the name of a drug that

978
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Maria Calis was on. That's where that name came from. Shit,

979
00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:22.079
he was just a big minute of her imagination.

980
00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:23.119
Yeah.

981
00:53:23.119 --> 00:53:25.960
I didn't like this film at all. When you're compared

982
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for complete unknown, this is.

983
00:53:29.079 --> 00:53:29.480
Awful.

984
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Okay, So Greg, what are you kiving Maria? Which is

985
00:53:35.039 --> 00:53:37.280
m run for two hours three minutes out of ten?

986
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Do four hour ten?

987
00:53:39.679 --> 00:53:44.920
Four out of ten? Okay, Sandy, I'll give it.

988
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Five and a half, just because I'm that kind of person.

989
00:53:47.400 --> 00:53:50.599
Yeah, they going to person, Okay. Jacqueline, Well, I gave

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it fast five and a half. Two okay, two five

991
00:53:53.679 --> 00:53:54.039
and a half.

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00:53:54.280 --> 00:53:57.199
Peter, I gave it six out of ten because there

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are some aspects of it that I admired, and as seven.

994
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Out of ten. So there we go. All right, So

995
00:54:02.840 --> 00:54:05.079
compared to the others, this is not Oscar witting material.

996
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Let's be honest. That's what we're all saying. Look, it's

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been a real pleasure, guys, Thank you very much. Indeed,

998
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it's so much better to get you not that it

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is male and female, but it's really great to have

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a greater sense of balance than we often do. So

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thank you very much, indeed for your contribution. Jackie, Sandy,

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Greg and Peter and we will do it again very

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very soon. First, on film and entertainment, Enjoy yourselves, go

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to the movies. Enjoy going to the films and being

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dark in places. Speak to you very soon.