March 15, 2025

Laughter and Larrikins: Unpacking the Charm of 'Spit' S01E14

Laughter and Larrikins: Unpacking the Charm of 'Spit' S01E14

In this lively episode of *Movies First*, hosts Peter Krause, Greg King, Jacqui, and Jacqueline delve into the controversial Australian comedy *Spit*, a sequel to the 2003 film *Getting Square*. The film features the return of the iconic character...

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Season 1

In this lively episode of *Movies First*, hosts Peter Krause, Greg King, Jacqui, and Jacqueline delve into the controversial Australian comedy *Spit*, a sequel to the 2003 film *Getting Square*. The film features the return of the iconic character Johnny Spiteri, played by David Wenham, who navigates his way back to Australia after years abroad, only to find himself embroiled in a series of comedic misadventures at an immigration detention centre.
The discussion kicks off with the hosts sharing their varied opinions on the film, highlighting the mix of larrikin humour and slapstick comedy that characterises Johnny's escapades. While some hosts appreciate Wenham's performance and the film's light-hearted approach, others critique its reliance on lowbrow humour and clichéd characters. The dynamic between Johnny and his fellow detainees, particularly his partnership with Jihad Khalif, portrayed by Arlo Green, adds depth to the narrative as they navigate their challenging circumstances together.
The episode also touches on the film's cinematography by Gary Phillips, which enhances its comedic elements and visual storytelling. As the hosts debate the film's merits, they explore themes of identity, friendship, and the absurdity of Johnny's situation, all while reflecting on the impact of Australian culture in cinema.
With ratings ranging from 4 to 7 out of 10, the conversation reveals a fascinating divide among the hosts, making for an engaging and entertaining discussion.
**Highlights:**
- **Diverse Opinions:** The hosts share contrasting views on *Spit*, showcasing the subjective nature of comedy.
- **Wenham's Performance:** David Wenham's portrayal of Johnny Spiteri is a focal point, with some praising his improvisational skills.
- **Cinematographic Flair:** The film's visuals and comedic timing receive recognition for enhancing the overall experience.
Join the hosts for a spirited discussion on *Spit*, a film that encapsulates the essence of Australian humour while sparking debates on its execution. For more film reviews and discussions, subscribe to *Movies First* on your favourite podcast platform!
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First on film and entertainment.

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Football season is here, Peter Grause, Are you excited like

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I am?

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What is he watching films?

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No?

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No, you can do both. You can walk and chew gum,

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can you not? Gregory King, who barracks for the team

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that never wins?

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Hello Gregory?

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Hello, Peter and Alex and.

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Jackie and Jacqueline.

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A good morning.

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You're the sort of person who would go to the

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snow because you're a Melbourne supporter rather than watching the football.

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Is that true?

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Oh no, Alex, I'll go to the south of France.

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Thank you for the warm weather in this winter. I

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don't want the snow, but I can get your get

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your joke.

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I get your joke, but thank you.

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I'm very nice.

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Listen, I tell you what it'd be damn hard being

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in Europe given what's going on in the world. Oh boy,

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you know, is America sort of We've gone crazy?

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It's just.

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Every morning when I wake up and I look the

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news and I'm thinking, hang on, am I living in

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a parallel universe? Is it only me, Jackie? Or are

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you doing similarly?

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No?

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I read the other day that.

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Mister Donald Trump is doing this time in this time,

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that he's president. What he actually wanted to do last

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time but didn't quite get there. So last time he

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talked about it a lot, but there wasn't a lot

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of actual action. And in the interim he's actually worked

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out how to do it, and that is you just

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come in guns glazing and you just do it.

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You just do it.

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What people who will say yes, whatever you say run.

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Last time he had people who actually say, no, you

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can't do this, you can't do this.

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That's true.

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Well, that true.

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It was the first thing he did was bring his

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cronies around him to make sure he would be backed up.

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There must be a film in the making here, Peter,

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don't you think down the track the Apprentice to.

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The Boss. I was going to say, he's no longer

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on The Apprentice. Let me tell you that.

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Some days in May.

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Yeah, yes, okay, I thought.

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The Apprentice was actually a very fine film. I really

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enjoyed that seeing my film. Yeah, part of his life

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where you know, dramatize or read it, of course, but

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you know, some of it might have been guess work,

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but I think a lot of you know, it sort

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of rang true, really, that part of his life where

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he went from being a kind of under his father's

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thumb to you know, stepping up and being told to

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step up and how to step up, and that's made him.

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The man he is today't I don't think he endorsed it, Jackie.

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No, he didn't, no, no, but he made lots of

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noises about suing them, which helped the film do quite well.

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I believe, Well, it was a nomination. He never The.

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List of people who Jonald Trump and threatened sue is

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longer than.

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Well. Is that a badge of honor? Greg? If somebody's

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threatened to be sued by it.

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I think it must be in the people's setting the

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sue and never followed through with Well.

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I mean bear in mind, what was the gentleman's name

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who was nominated for the Best Actor Oscar.

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For Sebastian Stan Yeah understand, Yeah, oh sorry, I'm thinking

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Jeremy Strong, wasn't it who was playing Roy Kaine?

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And him too, Yes, they're both nominated.

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Very good, very good. Well.

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Talking of films, there is an Australian movie which I

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reckon is going to divide us that I saw and

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I thought, hey, lowest common denominated humor. But we must

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talk about it and it's called Spit and it runs

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for rather than two minutes and is rated M. Now

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do any of you remember getting Square back in two

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thousand and three?

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Greg, do you think it needed a sequel?

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Oh? You didn't? Okay, what about you, Peter?

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I also see the original film and I thought the

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sequel was very, very good.

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Yeah, and I this is where I reckon this is

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going to be split, no pun intended, Spit is going

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to be split down the middle. But anyway, they have

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dip back into the well, the filmmakers, and they've reprised

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this iconic Australian character and he's got a decent mullet,

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Peter hasn't he. You know, I'm kind of envious because

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I'm losing my thatching and I kind of need a

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little bit more. I keep I keep telling my daughter

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that who's got a lot of hair? It's not helping me, right.

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And when I bent down the other day, I think

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I told you this story, Jackie. She commented with she

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was a ghast at how little there was up top.

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What does one do about that?

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Greg? Any suggestions?

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But what?

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Sorry, Yeah, don't don't worry about it. Let's go back

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to the film.

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There was a reference to my lack of hair on

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the head.

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Right, perhaps some fertilizer might help.

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Fertilizer, Well, thank you, how it sorts.

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Of winning first and wisers.

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It can help?

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Oh, very good.

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Now, okay, So the character we're talking about is Johnny

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Spitteriri aka Johnny Spit hence the title Spit, played by

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David Wenham, who's a mighty fine actor, and he relishes

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in this role. I got to say, really he's sort

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of thrown himself into. Is this sort of disheveled man

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with a what is it on his lip that he's

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got It looks like.

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A cold saw. Yeah.

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Anyway, Okay, So this is a news story even though

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it sort of harks back to two thousand and three

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in Getting Square, and it brings together several of the

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actors and the key behind the scenes creatives from the

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movie that was released in the early noughties. So Gary

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Sweet is there, who again plays Chick Martin, the writer

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Chris Niss and the director Jonathan Teplitzky, and as well

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as the cinematographer Gary Phillips.

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I haven't named them all, but you know they're key

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players in all of this.

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So the Johnny character, Johnny's fit character has been hiding

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overseas for a couple of decades and he returns to

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OZ with a new identity. But he's still got that

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mullet that I spoke about, the unmistakable mullet, the skinny

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jeans and the thongs. And I should say that mullets

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are still being worn by modern AFL footballers.

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Does that make it any more legit?

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I don't know, but there you go, the idea of

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hair appeals. Having said that, Johnny is a small time

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ex crim and he slips back into the country on

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a false passport, but he looks super suss That initial

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scene is quite something, and he's busted on arrival in

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Queensland and I've got no idea why, but he's sent

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to an immigration detention center rather than to an Australian

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holding cell, being a jarle. But obviously at an immigration

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detention center there are a lot of other detainees from

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around the world, and he seems to be the only Aussie.

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But anyway, his method of handling the authorities is a.

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Well worn one, deny. The problem is that he has

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a massive target on his back. Johnny as old enemies,

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including the drug kingpin that I spoke of chick at Martin.

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They've got scores to settle.

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And what he does, he struggles really to stay ahead,

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a step ahead actually of them marauding pack. So I

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suppose he's nothing if not resourceful. And he endears himself

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to the other detainees by teaching them his own brand

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of She'll be right, mate English, and he gives all

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of them ossie names, and he goes into partnership with

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one of them, guy called g Had Caliph played by

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Arlo Green, and that.

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Partnership will over time prove to be quite useful. The

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reason that the authority is, or at least some of

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them are after him is because looking to use him

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to bring down a crooked cop. So that's what it's

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all about.

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I thought it was very funny, and there was I

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went to the Classic to see it, and there was

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laughter ringing out throughout this movie from the patrons, but

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of course humans in the eyes and ears of the Beholder,

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and I mentioned at the outset, some might suggest this

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is the lowest common denominator material. A lot of buffoonery

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in play here, and I thought when was quite endearing

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and hilarious. As the evasive centerpiece the disheveled character that

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he played. He really nailed that role. He does slippery

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as a snake better than most, and the cameras trained

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on him for the Lion's she here at the time,

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and I thought the cleverness in spit was in both

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the one liners and also in the sight gags. And

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I was quite impressed by the warmth that lah Green

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imbed into his character g had Khlif. He came across

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as quite natural sort of authenticity being the key here

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and Gary sweet while he revels in the bad guy persona,

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you can see he loves playing mean. One of the

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noteworthy elements of this story is actually the diverse cast

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characters that capitalize upon the alaric and humor. And there's

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quite a couple of scenes involving Maori's They're memorable because

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of the submittable representation of them, but in truth, there

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are many memorable moments in the picture. I was also

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impressed by the creativity of Gary Phillips cinematography. He did

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The Railwayman as one of the movies that he was

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responsible for cinematographer. I like the choices he made in

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this one and basically spitt his feel good entertainment, you

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find yourself sort of rooting for the underdog. So let's

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start with a good apart from mine, Peter, what did

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you think?

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I really liked it? I had a long chat to

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Chris Neist.

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That's how it's created.

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Who's the screenwriter of the original film Getting Square, And

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of course now spit Johnny Spittai his story and he

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told me that even though they had nailed down the

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script and everything, David Wenham was very keen to improvise.

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So some of the very funny scenes of when I'm

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running and going up escalators and doing all sorts of

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other things was improvised completely by when them as the

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film was shot. Look, there's a lot of really funny humor,

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good Australian laric and humor in this film. I don't

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accept that it's a low humor or unpleasant humor or

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anything like that. I think it's very Australian, very clever.

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There are some very amusing moments that I really enjoyed

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in the film.

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It's Loy Brown. I mean, you know it's not we're

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not talking about intellectuals here.

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Well, it depends how you defind low brow. I mean

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some of it is satiric, and some of it is slapstick,

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but so what, it's humor, and humor is going to

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have different impacts on different people, and I thought this

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worked very well.

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humor associated with that, and then you've got others that

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are bumbling characters, such as in a sense that the

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spit here, But obviously he's also you know, is not

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without the intelligence of how to get out of circumstances.

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But he's still not you know, he's he's not a

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PhD in applied science.

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That's what I'm getting at.

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And why does he need to be. I really don't

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understand the distinction.

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I don't he needs to be.

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But I think there is a distinction because some people

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are going to go in, Okay, you can see a

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spy movie, and we'll talk about one here today, which

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is very intelligent. But can you also see a spy

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movie which is very silly? And I think there is

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a distinction. Some people are going to go along to

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one and won't go along to another. That's all that's

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the right.

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I think they'll go along because David Wenham is the start,

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because as it's Australian comedy, and because they'll enjoy a

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number of the set pieces. I really also liked the

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way language was used to teach the migrants English. I

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thought that was.

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We have to adopt a detailed intension centers. Is that correct? Absolutely?

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Yes, that'll indraculum.

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Now she'll be She'll be right mate. Everything's cool. Yeah,

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that's Australian Americ it is.

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It's what are those guys called the Mango that the

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three boys run a restaurant, Go Chutney or something not

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Mango Chutney.

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Would play the Kings of Mumba for some reasons.

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Yeah, they were.

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They were for a very great Now now I'm going

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to google Mango Mango Boys. No, it's too I heard an,

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I heard any Come on, Greg, you're not helping here, Jackie,

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You've got no idea what I'm talking about. They've got

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one point five Bidian views or something that they've gone

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absolutely ape and they also run a restaurant in Carlton.

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None of none of you can help. Somebody's and saying.

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Do they have lots of followers who pick up warmbats?

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Oh? Yeah? She hit back this morning. I don't know

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what you've heard.

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She's actually had to go right the yeah, basically saying

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we should look at our own backyard sushi, mango sushishi

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has double ice.

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Yeah, mango chutney.

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That's like, yeah, I knew sushi.

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We're sort of close to Africa, Artley Pletter and your

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your your geography, Yeah, Africa just next door. Sushi mango,

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very funny guys, right, and they sort of go with

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the traditional European Italian type humor and.

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Borrow a cup of coffee.

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Pardon if Africa's just knit thor I have to walk

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down it just to buy a cup of sugar.

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That was the reference to Peters saying I got close

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with mango chutney.

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Very good.

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I think we've gone right away from humor, but we

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we're back to spit. Yeah, okay, so boys, keep going.

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Is there are other things you would like to say

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about this movie?

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No, I just want to say I like the film

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very much, and I'm hoping when I spoke to Chris

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that there might even be another follow up.

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You know who's going to really like that. Somebody who's

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here with us today, which is Jacqueline Hamilton. She thinks

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this is. This is sliced sliced bread on a stick.

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You love this, don't you, Jackie?

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Just go for it.

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I really liked Getting Square.

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I don't remember the detail of the film, but I

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remember that I really enjoyed it.

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I think I keep dropping out. Have I dropped out?

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Hello?

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No?

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Hello? You are Oh?

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I haven't Okay, I've had some trouble with the call

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at kick say, poor connection and dropping out. But anyway,

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I'll just continue to rattle on. And if you miss

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my pearls of wisdom, well there you go. But anyway,

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you know, maybe Spit was a decent character in a

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small role in another film a while ago, but to have.

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His own movie did not work for me.

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You used words like endearing yes and hilarious yes, And

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I didn't see.

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The same thing at all.

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I've just seen it at least, I span Jackie, you

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see it again, seid third time?

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Eh, I've got a.

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Life, thank you?

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And I certainly you've mentioned and I'm just I only

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heard very little what you said. I'm sorry as I

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say that I just missed most of what you've said.

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But I did hear you say that there was some

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improvisation and I could have told you that, because it

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certainly looked like that. And the thing about an a

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laconic Ossie character is but it seemed to be all

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It made the film laconic and slow. So the humor

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didn't go bam bam bam. It was drawn out too long,

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too tedious. For example, I'll give you a couple of examples.

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One was the scene with the migrants, you know, teaching

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them what their Ossie monikers would be. So you know,

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whatever this long convoluted foreign name, you know, exotic name

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we might say, it might be it.

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Came down to Wazza or Gaza or you know.

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And I mean, you know, you can say a couple

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of those, but did we really need to go through

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every single one of them? And with the same you know,

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slow thinking about it drugs out And I actually find

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quite a lot of Australian so called humor does that.

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It just labors the point to the where it's just

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not funny anymore, because you know, the next one, you know,

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it's not going to be any more clever than the

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last one.

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So anyway, it's one example.

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No, so I didn't really love this film at all,

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but I mean, you know, I didn't mind the character,

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but it was just too much.

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And also I kept looking at him as David Wenham.

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You know, I didn't say, oh, this is David women

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when I'm you know, playing a odd ball character sort

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of thing. You know, he wasn't. He was too recognizable.

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I think it's interesting if this was up for obviously

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it's it's probably too late for the whatever the Australian

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Academy Awards the eld.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I would have actually had him up there. I

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reckon he absolutely deserves it for this. I thought it

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was a ripper of.

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Did I think he did what he was asked to do?

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I think he did what the character was.

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Exactly, but it just got the whole the whole film

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just didn't work for me.

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It just wasn't funny for me.

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Okay, I thought it was very funny, Greg, do you

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have any you're more in Jackie's camp?

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I thought recent discussion on that was more funny than

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this film. Actually, I didn't like. I didn't enjoy this

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much at all. And unlike you guys, when I went

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to the cinema said I was the only person in cinema,

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which makes it even harder to judge the result impact

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of the human because you're on the ad that's maybe

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that's saying something about you.

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Greg. I'm just kidding.

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I'm just but I thought there was a lack of

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subtlety annuance to some of the characters, particularly David Field's

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corrupt cop.

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I thought a lot of.

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The humor was cringeworthy, reminiscent of some of those lame

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ass comedies we made in the seventies.

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There, it was just cringeworthy.

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I agree to David when might have done a reasonable

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job there as di severl dumb criminal. But as I

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said before, I didn't think Getting Square needed a sequel,

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especially one twenty years later.

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So yeah, no, I didn't.

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We've seen that.

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I didn't really enjoy this one at all.

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Which set Beer in mind.

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We've seen this though, I mean, we saw a sequel

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to Top done how many years after.

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Yeah, but you can't compare to check the different types

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of films.

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This was just work for me.

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No, no fair, I mean that's fair enough. I mean,

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so you and Jackie are in a bad boy and

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girl corner.

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I thought that I thought when it's character was grading

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too rather than funny.

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Okay, so let's get some scores for spit one hundred

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and two minutes m rated and let's start at the

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lowest coming to nominator.

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So Jackie, Yes, Well, I will add a couple of

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words to that, because I was struggling with the technology

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just earlier, and I wanted to agree with Greg that

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one of the things I would have said about it

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would be that it was so cliched. But it was

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so clich based on trying to be kind of vintage

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retro to kind of a nineteen nineties TV show or

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something that it wasn't need, So I didn't have any

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kind of fresh feel to it. Nothing to me, they would,

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you know, really cliched roles, the corrupt cops and all that,

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And so that was another point I would make about

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the whole film, although I will say I like the migrants,

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thought they were terrific characters and given quite strong roles too,

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which I applaud enjoyed them.

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Spits the film of four out of ten.

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Four out of ten, Wow, yep, it's a fail.

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Well, if it's comedy, you've got to be able to laugh, right,

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while we didn't laugh, we didn't laugh.

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Okay, Well, okay, what about you, Greg?

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Is that I can.

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Pretty much the same I thought some of the treatment

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of the migrants was actually borderline offensive.

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Okay, right in my opinion.

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There, you know, so I'm an four out of ten.

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Two okay, A right, Peter, Well, I'm.

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Going to disagree vehemently with both of you. I found

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it funny. I found it a good example of Australian

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laric and humor. I thought there was some very funny

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set pieces. I thought it was very not offensive to migrants.

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I thought it was for a positive and in fact,

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that's the way the story does develop. And David Winnhem

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is a real showstopper in the film. And I really

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loved it seven out of ten and.

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I'm giving it a seven out and ten.

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Oh well, we've never had quite I mean, this is

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identical scores at both levels, right, yes, So honestly, in

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all the years we've done this, how many years have

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we done this, Jackie? How long has the show been going?

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I had it in twenty seven years, and I like

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to drop in the bucket for you.

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You were born when Adam was a kid, So I mean,

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you know, but in all of these years, we've never

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had two identical scores at either end of the spectrum.

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So you know, basically it means that that Jackie and

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Gregor wrong. Doesn't it be the new Recalcitrance, the new

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Recalcitrans exactly?

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You know, I'm may the wrong, maybe I'm may be right.

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It may be a loner ship you're looking for?

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Tell you thank you? Which song is that from Bill Joel? Oh?

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Is it? What's the name of the song?

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You may be right?

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I think?

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Which was ironically the song you were performing at Madison

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Square done when you had.

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A little accident.

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That was bad because he realized he's had an operation

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since Mustter have been.

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And had to cancel shows and everything.

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So yeah, it's sad, very sad because I've seen it

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a couple of times on YouTube and whilst it looked bad,

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it looked reasonably innocuous, but clearly it wasn't. So yeah,

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I don't think we know why the ops have been performed,

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do we? I said, I'm not aware of it, but yeah,

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with Billy Joel all the best to does it come back?

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So let's go.

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From one to another where I dare say we are

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all going to like this. Okay, I'm putting it out there,

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black bag. What a super intelligent British spy thriller it is.

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And I'll tell you what some good, good characters and

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really fine acting as well. George Woodhouse is played by

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Michael Fusspender, and he is an elite operative at a

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British establishment called the National Cyber Security Center NCSC National

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Cybersecurity Center. He can't stand liars, and he seeks them

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out and exposes them, and that happens to have included

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his own father. Now there appears to be a mole

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in the ranks of this organization, and he's tasked with

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uncovering that infiltrator before they can activate a destructive cyberworm

475
00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:53.359
called Severus, and that is actually that is malware that

476
00:23:53.480 --> 00:23:57.400
can destabilize a nuclear facility. Now there are five suspects,

477
00:23:57.720 --> 00:24:01.880
and they include his beloved wife, Catherine Saint Jean played

478
00:24:01.880 --> 00:24:05.759
by Cate Blanchette, our very own, who is one of

479
00:24:06.559 --> 00:24:12.000
NCSC's most powerful and trusted agents, and in fact she

480
00:24:12.440 --> 00:24:17.039
is George Woodhouse's one big weakness because whatever she wants,

481
00:24:17.119 --> 00:24:19.759
she gets, and vice versa kind of thing in the

482
00:24:19.759 --> 00:24:23.440
relationship that they have. Also in this mix is Freddie

483
00:24:23.480 --> 00:24:26.759
Small's Tom Burke, who's a fine actor. He is an

484
00:24:26.799 --> 00:24:32.880
inveterate Mormonizer who's been with a younger fellow operative, a

485
00:24:32.960 --> 00:24:36.880
tech whiz called Clarissa Dubos played by Marissa Abella, for

486
00:24:36.960 --> 00:24:41.119
eighteen months. Right, so they're in a physical relationship, which

487
00:24:41.119 --> 00:24:44.039
is rather thought, I've got to say. But she in

488
00:24:44.079 --> 00:24:47.400
turn has a poor schot for older men. And then

489
00:24:47.400 --> 00:24:51.960
there's the agency psychologist, doctor Zoe Vaughan. Naomi Harris plays her,

490
00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:56.519
and she happens to enjoy erotic fiction. She's been getting

491
00:24:56.599 --> 00:24:59.799
up close and personal with a rising star in the organization,

492
00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:06.359
Colonel James Stokes Reggie gene Page. Woodhouse's first salvo to

493
00:25:06.440 --> 00:25:11.119
get to the truth comes via dinner invitation to the quintet,

494
00:25:11.680 --> 00:25:15.000
in which he does the cooking and he adds a

495
00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:20.000
little something extra. Once lips loosened, he asks each of

496
00:25:20.039 --> 00:25:23.279
them to participate in a game in which they're charged

497
00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:26.440
with making a resolution. You know you got New Year's resolutions, Well,

498
00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:28.920
this is a resolution for the person sitting to their right,

499
00:25:29.319 --> 00:25:31.960
so they make a resolution on their behalf and that

500
00:25:32.119 --> 00:25:36.079
sparks the first in a series of revelations much later

501
00:25:36.119 --> 00:25:38.000
in the movie. There's also going to be a line

502
00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:42.759
detect test. So, as I said, most sophisticated and tense

503
00:25:42.759 --> 00:25:46.519
spy thriller is black bag and in which the identity

504
00:25:46.519 --> 00:25:49.759
of the rat remains well disguised. So getting the heart

505
00:25:49.839 --> 00:25:52.680
of the truth is no walk in the park. Really

506
00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:57.079
well conceived, written, acted, and directed. Steven Soderbergh is the

507
00:25:57.119 --> 00:25:59.759
guy in charge, proves yet again what a master filmmaker

508
00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:01.960
he is. It's the third time he's actually teamed with

509
00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:06.400
the writer David Kerp, and they work together recently actually

510
00:26:06.440 --> 00:26:08.880
on Presence and Kimmy. I think they've known each other

511
00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:11.480
for about thirty years, isn't that true? That's what I

512
00:26:11.559 --> 00:26:14.640
read somewhere. But the characters are all very very smart

513
00:26:14.680 --> 00:26:20.200
people trying to outsmart each other. So Michael Fassbender perfectly

514
00:26:20.319 --> 00:26:23.920
cast in a straight as a die roll which requires

515
00:26:23.920 --> 00:26:29.519
his intellectual prowess to shine cop well, he's exploited the quirks,

516
00:26:29.559 --> 00:26:34.559
the peccadillos, the vulnerability of vulnerabilities plural of the players

517
00:26:34.599 --> 00:26:37.920
in this one. Weaving a rather twisted tail as the

518
00:26:38.359 --> 00:26:41.279
writer of the focus moved from one to the other.

519
00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:46.880
Tom Burk's another stand out as a dedicated agent whose

520
00:26:46.920 --> 00:26:51.880
predilections make him susceptible and honored goes. There's a wickedly twisted,

521
00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:54.799
playful treak about Melissa A Bella who was in a

522
00:26:54.839 --> 00:26:59.319
really good film Back to Black and she blades orsa Debos,

523
00:26:59.519 --> 00:27:03.480
And then Lanchette is Katine Saint Jane with a sense

524
00:27:03.519 --> 00:27:06.160
of entitlement, and then Pierce frozen.

525
00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:08.440
It also pops up with a confident.

526
00:27:08.079 --> 00:27:12.359
Air as the agency head, the Stiglitz. In fact, one

527
00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:16.319
of the traits that characterizes all of them is self belief.

528
00:27:16.799 --> 00:27:19.359
And I also like the musical choices by David Holmes

529
00:27:19.359 --> 00:27:22.680
that accompanied this sort of cat and mouse concoction. And

530
00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:25.319
I should say because when I read black Bag and

531
00:27:25.480 --> 00:27:27.359
black Bag seems to be an out, it's sort of

532
00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:29.640
like a secret word.

533
00:27:29.680 --> 00:27:32.279
Well, Greg, you've gone to.

534
00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:34.920
The International Spy Museum in Washington, DC, haven't you?

535
00:27:35.000 --> 00:27:37.119
Yes, I have, and I've been there too, And.

536
00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:38.680
Kim was a time in a bookshop.

537
00:27:38.839 --> 00:27:44.839
But yeah, well there was the wasn't there the was

538
00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:48.640
it the code of silence? Or was it the phone.

539
00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:50.880
The shoe phone, shoephone.

540
00:27:51.200 --> 00:27:54.440
Yeah, I really enjoyed the International Spy Museum anyway that

541
00:27:55.160 --> 00:27:58.599
According to the International Spy Museum, black bag refers to

542
00:27:58.720 --> 00:28:02.079
secret entry to steal or copy materials.

543
00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:08.039
Watergate seeing was a black bag job when they wrote.

544
00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:12.359
Into the So were you familiar with the term? Were you? Yeah? Okay?

545
00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:15.039
Were you Jackie? Or have you seen this? No?

546
00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:17.079
And I'm hearing for the first time that it was

547
00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:19.640
a it? Is it kind of a generic term?

548
00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:19.880
Is that?

549
00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:20.400
I called it?

550
00:28:20.519 --> 00:28:21.519
Just your agd tyra?

551
00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:24.119
Yeah, oh okay, I thought it was made up for

552
00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:24.799
this film.

553
00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:28.359
No, I've read enough spice rollers to come across.

554
00:28:28.359 --> 00:28:29.400
Oh, yes, you would have agreed.

555
00:28:30.079 --> 00:28:32.599
Yeah, I like you. Jackie thought the same thing.

556
00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:36.279
What about you, well read individual who was born when

557
00:28:36.440 --> 00:28:37.160
Adam was a boy?

558
00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:42.119
Did you know? Did you know the term black bag?

559
00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:43.039
Did you?

560
00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:43.279
No?

561
00:28:43.400 --> 00:28:43.920
I didn't.

562
00:28:44.599 --> 00:28:47.119
I thought it was a reference to something or other.

563
00:28:47.200 --> 00:28:51.200
But that's okay. I'm more interested in the Starzi Museum

564
00:28:51.279 --> 00:28:54.640
that I visited in Germany, which looks at how the

565
00:28:54.759 --> 00:28:59.960
spy they spied on people, and that was absolutely incredible.

566
00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:03.440
Well, it's funny you say that because I went to

567
00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:08.160
the Russian one where you literally go down, there's a

568
00:29:08.279 --> 00:29:10.039
door and you go.

569
00:29:09.960 --> 00:29:13.200
Down in a lift and oh my golly, talk about

570
00:29:13.240 --> 00:29:13.960
the Cold War.

571
00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:18.319
So I'm presuming yours was a similar type experience.

572
00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:20.240
Who don't, not quite.

573
00:29:20.559 --> 00:29:22.920
It was more a standard sort of display, but it

574
00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:26.519
looked at real life examples of people telling their stories

575
00:29:26.599 --> 00:29:32.119
about being spied on and being arrested. Quite incredible story

576
00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:37.000
about the stars, the lives of others. Sport of demonstrated that.

577
00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:43.920
Well, in my case, I believe this was I think

578
00:29:43.960 --> 00:29:44.480
it was real.

579
00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:47.039
I think it was exactly as it was in the

580
00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:50.759
Cold War era, but I could be mistaken. But my

581
00:29:50.839 --> 00:29:53.079
wife and I found it really extraordinary because I mean,

582
00:29:53.960 --> 00:29:56.640
we went to Russia obviously before many years before the

583
00:29:56.680 --> 00:30:00.079
current situation, have been there a couple of times, and

584
00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:07.200
we were very surprised that Moscow was very, very modern city.

585
00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:12.039
Saint Petersburg, the architecture is stunning, right, I mean, but obviously,

586
00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:15.599
you know, in terms of what's going on now, it's terrible,

587
00:30:16.640 --> 00:30:19.319
you know, the Ukraine War and so on. But the

588
00:30:19.480 --> 00:30:23.200
Black Bag, the movie undoubtedly hits the right notes. It's

589
00:30:23.240 --> 00:30:25.759
a real beauty. It keeps you guessing, and I thought

590
00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:30.599
it was thoroughly delectable. I really appreciated it, and we

591
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:33.599
got a very late invite. I'm very grateful that that

592
00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:36.880
invite came along. So Greg, tell me about your views

593
00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:37.599
of black Bag.

594
00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:40.759
Okay, Well, despite the fact that this starts a couple.

595
00:30:40.599 --> 00:30:45.039
Of people from the One University universe, which Peace prosent

596
00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:50.480
and Naomi Harris, this is actually more stylish literary.

597
00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:52.440
Spy movie.

598
00:30:53.640 --> 00:30:56.119
It's more like in the kin to the fiction of

599
00:30:56.319 --> 00:30:59.960
John mccare or Lenn Dayton. So rather than car chase

600
00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:03.680
and gunfights that are the staple of those kind of films,

601
00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:08.240
here we get into the gritty, nearly gritty of intelligence work,

602
00:31:08.279 --> 00:31:12.240
the the personality of spies. A very dialogue driven film,

603
00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:16.079
but when the couple of action sequences or violence happened,

604
00:31:16.119 --> 00:31:17.799
it is suddenly and sudden and shocking.

605
00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:18.880
There. It's got a.

606
00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:20.319
Great cast there.

607
00:31:21.680 --> 00:31:25.440
Model Fastbend's character with his horn room glasses and everything

608
00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:28.160
remind me a little bit of George Smiley, and also

609
00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:31.160
the Michael Kaine character Harry Palmer from films like The

610
00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:36.000
Iparus File and everything. There, very dialogue driven, great production designer.

611
00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:40.960
I thought, especially design of the National Cybersecurity Center officers

612
00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:45.839
they're very open, very bright, and design of George's house

613
00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:49.119
there is also very spacially so that the design is

614
00:31:49.160 --> 00:31:51.440
all good. And the way the film opens with that

615
00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:54.880
long tracking shot that follows George down the street and

616
00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:56.559
into his nightclub where he has his.

617
00:31:58.319 --> 00:31:59.160
COVID meeting with.

618
00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:03.200
It an informant who very soon afterwards is also a

619
00:32:03.240 --> 00:32:04.519
strong way to open the film.

620
00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:06.119
Good performances from the cast.

621
00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:09.920
I thought they all had well developed personalities there.

622
00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:15.960
Yeah, and I thought it was really well well done.

623
00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:18.119
Even though there's not a lot of action in it,

624
00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:19.720
it's still quite intriguing.

625
00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:24.559
Oh, exactly, very much intriguing. And again it's funny. We

626
00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:27.480
talked about humor at the start of this and the

627
00:32:27.559 --> 00:32:30.000
different forms of humor see Peter. To me, this is

628
00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:34.759
a really intelligent form of spy thriller and again with

629
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:38.160
very intelligent script and so on and so forth, so

630
00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:41.359
you know, you can get silly spy films as well.

631
00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:44.400
This is not you know, this is not based on humor,

632
00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:47.160
although there is some you know that there is a

633
00:32:47.200 --> 00:32:50.960
lot of playing around with one another in this. Isn't there, Peter,

634
00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:52.839
there is.

635
00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:56.400
This is not carry on Spain. It's not that type

636
00:32:56.400 --> 00:32:59.880
of film. It's a very contained film, and that's what's

637
00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:04.200
so good about it. David Cope is such a good writer.

638
00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:07.960
I mean he wrote The Paper and A Part zero

639
00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:11.880
and an even Jurassic Park. So it's always about the script.

640
00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:15.839
And and that's where Soderberg didn't have to do a

641
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:18.880
great deal in terms of directing the film, because the

642
00:33:18.920 --> 00:33:24.519
script spoke for itself. Yes, well, acted, well, cast, some

643
00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:29.000
nice little twists here and there. A good solid spy film.

644
00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:33.359
But I wouldn't say it's it's brilliant or fantastic.

645
00:33:33.680 --> 00:33:34.440
But I liked it.

646
00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:35.519
I thought it was well done.

647
00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:38.799
I'm disappointed that you didn't enjoy it more. When was

648
00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:41.839
the last really good spy film we've seen? Does anybody

649
00:33:41.839 --> 00:33:42.240
when you're.

650
00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:45.359
Proper tinker tailor Solder spy?

651
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:47.160
Sky Fall?

652
00:33:48.559 --> 00:33:49.240
Yes, sky Fall?

653
00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:56.640
Yeah, I mean there's lots of spyre films of differing types.

654
00:33:57.519 --> 00:33:59.440
But yeah, no, I liked.

655
00:33:59.519 --> 00:33:59.799
I liked.

656
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:03.519
I just didn't think it was that fantastic. It's one

657
00:34:03.559 --> 00:34:06.359
of those films that will go straight to streaming very quickly.

658
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:08.719
Oh okay, it's interesting you say that.

659
00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:11.440
I actually think it really stands out quite frankly, Jackie,

660
00:34:11.480 --> 00:34:13.880
you said you didn't see this one correct.

661
00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:15.440
No, now have I saw its?

662
00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:19.559
Storr shly, Oh, well, you've got a fresh, fresh take

663
00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:19.840
on it.

664
00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:23.480
So yeah, did you enjoy it very much?

665
00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:26.400
Right from the start.

666
00:34:26.440 --> 00:34:29.239
It had that mister and missus Smithfield to it, you know,

667
00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:32.360
of the spy married couple in a spy situation, but

668
00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:35.079
it didn't have all the action, and it didn't need

669
00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:37.400
it because it was all about the dialogue so much

670
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:40.400
so that I felt the narrative and the dialogue like

671
00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:42.800
it felt it came from a book, and I.

672
00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:45.480
Believe it didn't, so you know, there you go.

673
00:34:45.559 --> 00:34:45.960
But it was.

674
00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:47.480
That's how well written it was.

675
00:34:47.559 --> 00:34:49.880
And I agree with Peter that you was it plantal

676
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:53.039
Greg that you start with a good script and you're

677
00:34:53.079 --> 00:34:56.719
more likely to have a really good film. So and yet,

678
00:34:56.800 --> 00:35:00.400
even though it was beautifully written, it wasn't a that

679
00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:03.280
was overly convoluted, like they didn't have to feed.

680
00:35:03.039 --> 00:35:05.719
In all these red hearings and all that sort of stuff.

681
00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:11.840
Instead, it was more about everybody having secrets, and even

682
00:35:11.960 --> 00:35:15.599
secrets that other people knew some of the secrets of

683
00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:18.639
the others in a n Agatha Christie kind of way almost,

684
00:35:19.480 --> 00:35:22.920
but we don't know it all until it's slowly revealed,

685
00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:27.599
as is the actual plot slowly revealed, and I really

686
00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:30.159
enjoyed the way it the way it kind of leached

687
00:35:30.199 --> 00:35:31.960
out that that was really good.

688
00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:34.239
I thought all the characters.

689
00:35:33.800 --> 00:35:38.559
Were great, except it wasn't so keen on the character

690
00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:40.480
playing James, was it.

691
00:35:40.519 --> 00:35:44.360
I just found he didn't he some of the dialogue

692
00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:48.280
was a bit muffled and not not in the dinner

693
00:35:48.320 --> 00:35:51.039
party though the dinner parties, these are the dinner parties

694
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:52.639
I don't want to be invited to.

695
00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:55.159
I'd go to be a fly on the wall.

696
00:35:56.840 --> 00:36:00.320
How I've listened to listen to the discussion, but I

697
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:02.119
don't want to be a part of a dinner party

698
00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:02.360
like that.

699
00:36:02.480 --> 00:36:03.360
Than did very much.

700
00:36:03.480 --> 00:36:06.119
I'm very disappointed to hear that. Yeah, I really so,

701
00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:10.000
I have. We're talking about you're talking about the chap

702
00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:15.239
that Colonel James Stokes, the Reggie jene Page character, Yes,

703
00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:17.639
rising star within the end.

704
00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:18.840
Did you find that too?

705
00:36:18.920 --> 00:36:21.920
Did you find him difficult to There was a particular

706
00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:26.679
scene where they're out on the he's with the Mike

707
00:36:26.800 --> 00:36:30.760
Fassbender what yes, character's name, and they're going out. He's

708
00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:32.480
at the back of the car and they're having a

709
00:36:32.519 --> 00:36:36.320
conversation there, and there just seemed to be something wrong

710
00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:38.519
with the post impost production or something.

711
00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:40.840
Oh really, no, no, I gotta say I didn't. I

712
00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:42.960
just thought the characters were well drawn.

713
00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:44.440
We could have we could have had a little bit

714
00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:47.199
more of him, actually, I think, but overall so well, I.

715
00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:49.400
Went off him because of that. But the characters that

716
00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:54.039
really really did it for me were the matching of

717
00:36:54.280 --> 00:36:58.719
Cate Blanchett Michael Facebender as the married couple with a

718
00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:03.599
real bit of in their marriage and to see them,

719
00:37:03.960 --> 00:37:06.880
you know, in their personal lives and their domestic situation

720
00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:12.360
and romantic situation and at work and hosting.

721
00:37:11.960 --> 00:37:13.079
These dinner parties.

722
00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:16.880
To see them, I just thought they were fantastic as

723
00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:20.360
a couple. They really, I mean that was That's a

724
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:21.719
great spot of casting there.

725
00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:23.239
Did you think that, Yeah?

726
00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:23.639
I did.

727
00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:27.559
I thought they were good. I also I mentioned Marissa Abella.

728
00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:29.760
I reckon that she's a rising star. We're going to

729
00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:32.559
see more of her because I think she she made

730
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:36.719
the most of quite a complex character, you know, it

731
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:37.679
was a bit twisted.

732
00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:39.719
I thought she was really good too.

733
00:37:40.519 --> 00:37:45.320
I look Kate Blanchette, I mean, she's a mighty fine actor.

734
00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:49.360
And you know, you think about the diversity of performance

735
00:37:49.400 --> 00:37:50.800
that she's put in over the distance.

736
00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:53.480
But obviously, what was the last I.

737
00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:55.320
Thought she looked like Sandy in this film?

738
00:37:56.159 --> 00:37:56.679
She did.

739
00:37:57.039 --> 00:38:00.280
I agree, she spines and the I wanted to say

740
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:03.800
that to Sandy, our colleague, our fellow reviewer, Sandy.

741
00:38:03.480 --> 00:38:04.920
Who's not with us today.

742
00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:07.559
But I thought, Kate she just every time, you know,

743
00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:09.559
the high cheekbones.

744
00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:10.880
And that she had a real Sandy face.

745
00:38:11.239 --> 00:38:11.960
Well, there you go.

746
00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:15.079
But what was the recent movie that came and went

747
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:17.400
with Kate Blanchett? Do you guys remember it was only

748
00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:19.440
here for it didn't do well?

749
00:38:20.119 --> 00:38:20.320
Yeah?

750
00:38:20.360 --> 00:38:23.719
It was a political thriller, a meeting.

751
00:38:24.280 --> 00:38:25.840
Yeah, did you see Petter, Yes?

752
00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:28.639
I did, trying to remember what the title and it was.

753
00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:30.000
It was it average or.

754
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:34.079
It was unusual? It had a centerpiece of a brain,

755
00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:39.639
and it dealt with the idea of the potential destruction

756
00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:41.880
of the of the world.

757
00:38:43.199 --> 00:38:45.800
A unique concept, the potential distruction of the world.

758
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:48.159
Yes, it was called Rumors.

759
00:38:48.519 --> 00:38:48.960
Rumors.

760
00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:51.800
Thank you, very good, very good. All right, so let's

761
00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:53.000
get some scores, Jackie.

762
00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:55.400
You start off with Black Bag, which is a rated

763
00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:58.239
m It runs for ninety three minutes.

764
00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:01.519
Yay, eight short movie.

765
00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:06.960
Out of ten Jacqueline. Hello, are you there? What is

766
00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:08.880
going on? She's disappeared?

767
00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:11.800
Sorry, I just no, no, I've just got this poor

768
00:39:11.800 --> 00:39:13.000
connection going on again.

769
00:39:13.039 --> 00:39:14.880
I'm really sorry. Do you want my score? It's seven

770
00:39:14.920 --> 00:39:15.800
and a half out of ten.

771
00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:19.039
Good on you, okay, Gregory King, Yeah, I'll do it

772
00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:20.679
to seven and a half out of ten, as well

773
00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:24.480
as a lean manuscript which is an economical.

774
00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:28.360
Excellent And Peter yeah, I quite liked it, not as

775
00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:30.440
high as both of you. I gave it six out

776
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:30.760
of ten.

777
00:39:31.239 --> 00:39:32.039
Well you're wrong.

778
00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:35.039
You've gone back to the Telston corner and it's an

779
00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:39.000
eight out of ten for mine. Well, a really good movie, unexpected,

780
00:39:39.400 --> 00:39:43.159
just sort of dropped, and please go along and see it.

781
00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:46.159
Well, well worth your coin, I reckon.

782
00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:49.199
I mean, you know it's all about which money, which

783
00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:50.320
which coin do you pay for?

784
00:39:50.360 --> 00:39:51.559
Which movies do you pay for?

785
00:39:51.880 --> 00:39:56.800
This is it's certainly better than average, now talking about

786
00:39:56.960 --> 00:39:59.679
one that's spent a lot of money in coin but

787
00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:03.880
has not lived up to expectations. And I was very

788
00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:06.440
disappointed when I saw it and thought, what the hell

789
00:40:06.519 --> 00:40:09.239
is going on? You can see where they've put the money,

790
00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:14.440
but it's not on the scripting. It's called Mikey Mickey

791
00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:17.639
Mickey seventeen. I get the confused with the actress that

792
00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:24.239
won the Oscars where it hasn't got to see Mickey seventeen.

793
00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:29.159
Is runs far too long, keeps on going, and it

794
00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:31.800
then keeps on going two hours, seventeen minutes rated.

795
00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:34.119
M Now it reminds.

796
00:40:33.880 --> 00:40:35.480
Me of Alex talking about the football.

797
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:39.760
Yeah, the bombers, you know, a good effort, Jackie.

798
00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:42.239
Wouldn't you say I shouldn't have said that, wouldn't you go?

799
00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:43.159
That kid?

800
00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:44.920
Where's the jumper?

801
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:46.159
I reckon?

802
00:40:46.239 --> 00:40:50.639
I reckon bringing the Carlton fans would be absolutely distraught.

803
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:54.719
It warms the cockles as somebody listen, I.

804
00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:58.119
Was making a one line joke there, Well go on

805
00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:01.599
for launch, you launch you back into a discussion.

806
00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:02.760
I regret it.

807
00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:05.559
Or no, regret it all you what? We can talk

808
00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:08.000
about football as the cows come up? Are you interested

809
00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:11.119
in the Sheffield Shield Final that's coming up as well?

810
00:41:11.239 --> 00:41:13.880
Sorry Peter, you're not interested in softball?

811
00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:15.039
Sorry Peter.

812
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:20.360
Well, it's ridiculous that the football stasion started before then

813
00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:21.760
had the Sheffield Shield Final.

814
00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:24.000
Yeah, and they can't play it where they want to

815
00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:28.000
play it. They've got to go to a Karen Rolton.

816
00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:30.400
I think is the Oval that they're playing it in

817
00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:33.360
rather than the Adelaide Oval, because they could and the

818
00:41:33.400 --> 00:41:36.760
South Australian Premier got involved, Greg and even he couldn't solve.

819
00:41:36.519 --> 00:41:40.239
It, So thing right along what we weren't actually better.

820
00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:42.280
You want to talk about it before about football, do you?

821
00:41:42.360 --> 00:41:45.360
We can can do that. Eighteen teams, you know.

822
00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:48.760
We need to talk about the seventeen Nickeys, the seventy.

823
00:41:48.840 --> 00:41:53.000
Yeah, we'll take the mickey out of it. Yeah, exactly.

824
00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:56.199
Now if I'm not for saying it's twenty fifty four.

825
00:41:56.039 --> 00:41:59.519
In this movie, yea. And Earth's in trouble, isn't it?

826
00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:02.840
And droves of people are taking up the opportunity for

827
00:42:03.199 --> 00:42:06.719
interplanetary relocation that's.

828
00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:07.079
My term anyway.

829
00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:09.400
And a man who's got himself in all sorts of

830
00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:15.880
trouble financially destitute is Mickey Barnes played by Robert Pattinson. Now,

831
00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:21.079
without digging too deeply, he seizes the chance to start

832
00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:24.800
afresh as a new human colony is about to start

833
00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:30.039
populating on a planet called Nilfheim, and those behind the

834
00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:35.239
initiative are a former congressman, supercilious though he is Kenneth

835
00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:38.320
Marshall is his name, played by Mark Ruffalo and his

836
00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:41.480
scheming wife. I'm not sure he pronounced his name. Why

837
00:42:41.719 --> 00:42:45.800
her name rather, why lfa ulfa something like that. Tony

838
00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:50.599
Collette has our own Tony Collette. So Mickey signs up

839
00:42:50.599 --> 00:42:53.840
to become what's known as an expendable, and that's not

840
00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:56.159
the expendables as in the movie. That means he'll be

841
00:42:56.159 --> 00:43:00.639
given all the dangerous tasks in this hostile, freezing environment

842
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:03.280
that the new planet is located in, all the planet

843
00:43:03.280 --> 00:43:06.519
that they're going to. Now, when he dies, which he

844
00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:10.639
does a lot, he'll be reprinted another word for cloned

845
00:43:11.119 --> 00:43:13.840
again and again. And the one person who is sympathetic

846
00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:16.840
to him is an elite agent called Nasha played by

847
00:43:16.960 --> 00:43:20.599
Naomi Aki. And she is, when I say an elite agent.

848
00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:23.760
She's a soldier, she's a policewoman, she's a firefighter. She

849
00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:29.599
can do no wrong, and he regards her as his soulmate. Now,

850
00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:32.519
as Greg said, we're up to the seventeenth iteration of

851
00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:38.039
Mickey when he's incorrectly assumed to be dead again and

852
00:43:38.119 --> 00:43:41.599
prematurely replaced. So suddenly we have both Mickey seventeen and

853
00:43:41.639 --> 00:43:45.039
Micky eighteen, and they don't see I do I. And then,

854
00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:47.760
to add fuel to the fire, a woman other than

855
00:43:47.840 --> 00:43:51.320
Nasha shows more than a passing interest in Mickey. So

856
00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:55.599
there's interpersonal relationships at stay here as well, But the

857
00:43:55.639 --> 00:44:00.280
real enemies are the oppressive leaders governing the colony. Now,

858
00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:04.920
like most movies, I went into Mickey seventeen blind, not

859
00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:08.320
knowing anything about it, and I emerged after those two

860
00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:14.519
hours and seventeen minutes feeling let down disappointed. Why because

861
00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:18.320
what I saw was this over extended political satire that

862
00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:24.239
lacks substance and appeal. Notwithstanding the brilliance of the writer

863
00:44:24.360 --> 00:44:27.480
and director Bong June Hoe's last film, which was the

864
00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:32.360
Oscar winning Parasite, this one suffers from average writing and direction.

865
00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:33.760
The longer it.

866
00:44:33.760 --> 00:44:35.920
Went, the more I wanted it to end. And there's only

867
00:44:36.039 --> 00:44:37.760
really so much of a bad thing I could take.

868
00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:40.639
The movie is actually based on the novel Mickey seven

869
00:44:41.000 --> 00:44:42.960
by Edward Ashton, so I reckon if it was called

870
00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:45.079
Mickey seven, it wouldn't have to run for two hours

871
00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:48.519
seventeen minutes anyway. Robert Pattinson, well, he does most of

872
00:44:48.559 --> 00:44:50.599
the heavy makes a decent fist of it. Yeah, plays

873
00:44:50.639 --> 00:44:54.519
opposite himself and makes it. I mean, he's the centerpiece

874
00:44:54.559 --> 00:44:57.760
of the film. Mark Ruffalo is but a pompous buffoon

875
00:44:57.800 --> 00:45:01.079
with bad teeth. Tony Koled full of expression, as is

876
00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:05.280
Manipulaity better half. Naomi Aki, Well, he has a moment,

877
00:45:05.400 --> 00:45:08.519
although I can't say that she seemed all that stretched.

878
00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:11.280
Now, one thing I should say about.

879
00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:15.079
Mickey seventeen is that in Dune we got sandworms. Here

880
00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:18.280
we have what are termed creepers, and they're kind of

881
00:45:18.360 --> 00:45:22.320
like large caterpillars or armadillos. They call it what you will,

882
00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:26.119
but you know that's what they are. So enough, said frankly.

883
00:45:26.159 --> 00:45:30.039
I found the whole thing too silly. I mean, Jackie,

884
00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:31.880
have you seen this or you've avoided it?

885
00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:35.480
Hello? Are you still there, Jackie?

886
00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:42.159
Maybe she's gone, Okay, maybe she's not there anymore. Having

887
00:45:42.159 --> 00:45:44.440
said all of that, what about you, Peter, what did

888
00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:45.000
you think of it?

889
00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:45.599
Yes?

890
00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:48.760
I was disappointed. Bong Junhoe is such a good filmmaker.

891
00:45:49.039 --> 00:45:53.639
I mean, o Kier a snowpiece at Pista Parasite. As

892
00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:57.920
you've mentioned this one, he's been given too big a budget,

893
00:45:58.480 --> 00:46:01.599
and the adaptation of the original novel, not that I've

894
00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:06.679
read it, seems to be rather odd and at cross purposes.

895
00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:11.920
For example, why is there only one person being replicated?

896
00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:15.519
I didn't understand that process, because you would think that

897
00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:17.880
if they want to take people away from the planet

898
00:46:18.199 --> 00:46:22.440
and go elsewhere, that they'd be working on lots of

899
00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:26.760
people and replicating them and remodeling them and keeping their

900
00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:29.239
memories and all that sort of thing. The other thing

901
00:46:29.320 --> 00:46:33.000
that annoyed me is that the yin and yang of

902
00:46:33.360 --> 00:46:37.360
Mickey seventeen and Mickey eighteen got on my nerves because

903
00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:41.760
it was just so stupid and ridiculous at times. So

904
00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:44.119
there was a lot to disappoint me. I know, the

905
00:46:44.159 --> 00:46:48.480
film was optimized for IMAX, and that's where we saw

906
00:46:48.519 --> 00:46:54.199
it at a previous screening, and because it was optimized

907
00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:57.480
for IMAX, it actually looked a bit grayer and a

908
00:46:57.480 --> 00:47:02.119
bit murkier than perhaps if it was a stand getting

909
00:47:02.119 --> 00:47:02.880
all this noise.

910
00:47:02.719 --> 00:47:02.960
In the.

911
00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:07.760
Jackie, are you re arranging the furniture.

912
00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:10.440
Or what is or assembling it?

913
00:47:11.519 --> 00:47:16.320
Or Greg, are you doing thecano or what's going on here? Okay, Jackie,

914
00:47:16.360 --> 00:47:20.840
can you hear us? Jackie king in and out on

915
00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:22.840
and off? I did.

916
00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:24.440
I didn't say I didn't.

917
00:47:24.159 --> 00:47:31.400
See Jackie didn't see it. Okay, But anyway, seventeen was

918
00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:34.840
was a disappointment for me. I would have liked a

919
00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:38.719
much stronger film. Groundhog Day did it better in some respects.

920
00:47:39.599 --> 00:47:42.320
So yeah, I wasn't a great fan of this one.

921
00:47:42.599 --> 00:47:45.639
But you asked about the cloning and why there weren't more, Well,

922
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:49.719
bear in mind that there were. I got the impression

923
00:47:49.719 --> 00:47:53.280
there weren't many expendables, right that, That's what Mickey was.

924
00:47:53.960 --> 00:47:59.000
So you're only cloning the expendables because they die, So

925
00:47:59.239 --> 00:48:01.679
I mean I kind of got that. But they obviously

926
00:48:01.719 --> 00:48:04.280
focused on one and it wasn't as if there was

927
00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:06.400
a troop of expendables.

928
00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:09.559
But if it was so urgent, then they would have

929
00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:13.000
had many more being created and that we would see

930
00:48:13.039 --> 00:48:17.239
that process. By the way, Mark Ruffalo's character is a

931
00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:24.159
ridiculous Trumpian type character, and Tony Collette is wasted in

932
00:48:24.199 --> 00:48:24.639
the film.

933
00:48:25.159 --> 00:48:29.679
Yeah, Jackie, you moving around? Jackie? Can you hear us?

934
00:48:29.920 --> 00:48:33.239
No, it's my Yes, I can hear you. Can you

935
00:48:33.239 --> 00:48:33.559
hear me?

936
00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:36.960
There's a lot of hash and we're wondering.

937
00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:44.599
I'm sorry, that's my puppy, that's your puppy.

938
00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:47.159
What is it a great name? Is it? I mean,

939
00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:54.519
is it? Ryan rhinoceros. Is it?

940
00:48:55.400 --> 00:48:57.360
Well, look, you know you.

941
00:48:57.400 --> 00:49:03.840
Watch the dog name Now the dog's part of this podcast.

942
00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:07.400
Yeah, this Pipper, she'd like, she's just giving her opinion

943
00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:08.880
of the tennis ball.

944
00:49:09.679 --> 00:49:13.199
Pippa, can you go Pyton and play with that ball? Maybe?

945
00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:17.679
Now, I'm sorry to tell you this that she actually

946
00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:20.360
can't go quietly, So I'm just going to leave the.

947
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:24.880
I do apologize to that. And I'm hoping it wasn't.

948
00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:27.920
No, you just we thought there was.

949
00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:31.760
I mean I was worried because, let's be honest, Peter

950
00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:34.880
lives in a paper thin house. That that a Butt's

951
00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:37.679
the Grand Prix track? What's happening up the Grand Prix

952
00:49:37.719 --> 00:49:38.840
as we're speaking.

953
00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:42.159
Just watching there are two helicopters trying to land at

954
00:49:42.199 --> 00:49:47.039
the moment, and the actual Grand Prix racers don't start

955
00:49:47.119 --> 00:49:51.800
until the afternoon. But hopefully with the noise suppression that

956
00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:53.719
I've pressed on Skype.

957
00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:55.119
You don't hear all of that.

958
00:49:55.480 --> 00:49:58.119
Fine, I mean, maybe you can hitch a ride with

959
00:49:58.159 --> 00:50:00.320
the helicopter pilot and with a.

960
00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:03.840
Round view heasie viewer of the.

961
00:50:03.800 --> 00:50:06.800
Ground ground conditions, and or it dogs over you, Yes,

962
00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:08.239
it dogs over you exactly.

963
00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:11.960
No, it's it's that's no. All right, So you've said

964
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all you wanted to say about.

965
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Yes, yes, that was disappointed.

966
00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:17.000
What about you, Gregory?

967
00:50:17.719 --> 00:50:20.440
Well, well, this is a film of interesting ideas, but

968
00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:24.480
not all of them clicked. A black comic fi fi film.

969
00:50:25.280 --> 00:50:30.199
There's for some big things like cloning, science, colonization, space exploration,

970
00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:32.440
religious fanaticism and all that kind of stuff.

971
00:50:33.039 --> 00:50:34.960
But as I said, not all the ideas are fully

972
00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:35.639
developed there.

973
00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:40.440
The Trumpian Alborty with Mark Rufflow's character is a bit

974
00:50:40.480 --> 00:50:42.599
obvious and heavy handed at times.

975
00:50:42.599 --> 00:50:44.079
Some of the special effects are really good.

976
00:50:44.119 --> 00:50:49.679
I thought there that they create this other world con cineratography.

977
00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:52.440
I thought it was also quite good of this other

978
00:50:52.519 --> 00:50:58.039
world that's snow covered, and the creepers and most of

979
00:50:58.079 --> 00:51:00.360
it's two hundred million dollar budget can be said on

980
00:51:00.400 --> 00:51:01.159
the screen there.

981
00:51:01.480 --> 00:51:03.639
And I like the way now remember back.

982
00:51:03.480 --> 00:51:05.320
In the fifties and sixties and those tear these shows

983
00:51:05.320 --> 00:51:07.920
when some character is playing a twin and they were

984
00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:10.119
always positioned in near a doorways that they could have

985
00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:12.119
that line down the screen and play opposite each other.

986
00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:14.840
At least special effects and visual effects have come along

987
00:51:14.920 --> 00:51:17.599
way now so that you're going to actually have Robert

988
00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:23.679
Pattinson interact credibly with his other self there on screen,

989
00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:27.480
so that that works well, I thought. I thought he

990
00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:30.960
did a good job of playing your personality. Yeah, he

991
00:51:31.039 --> 00:51:36.159
gave each one eferent physical appearance and look with little

992
00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:39.039
subtle nuances and gestures and that so I thought that

993
00:51:39.079 --> 00:51:43.960
worked well as well. I thought Juno directed with a

994
00:51:43.960 --> 00:51:46.960
bit of energy and flair there, emphasizing the black humor

995
00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:47.719
where possible.

996
00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:50.840
Yeah, so Look had.

997
00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:58.039
Crementiisting ideas, and it includes all sorts of elements from

998
00:51:58.079 --> 00:52:01.639
some of his other films as well, like Yustapian Snow

999
00:52:01.679 --> 00:52:06.119
Pierser and Plautiful social satire in Social Commentary.

1000
00:52:05.960 --> 00:52:08.719
A parasite or play here as well. I agree, though

1001
00:52:08.760 --> 00:52:10.679
it is a little bit bloated with.

1002
00:52:10.719 --> 00:52:13.800
A lot of intertwined spots, some of which don't go anywhere,

1003
00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:16.480
and it could have been tightened up in unison suite.

1004
00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:18.199
Yeah, so what are you going to give it? Out

1005
00:52:18.239 --> 00:52:20.960
of ten? Greg? Six out of ten, six out of ten.

1006
00:52:20.960 --> 00:52:23.320
For Mickey seventeen, which runs for two hours seventeen minutes

1007
00:52:23.679 --> 00:52:25.280
rated M and Peter.

1008
00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:27.639
Krauss I gave it five out of ten.

1009
00:52:28.679 --> 00:52:30.119
You're spot on today, Peter.

1010
00:52:30.280 --> 00:52:32.920
Not all the time, but sometimes so yeah, I'm giving

1011
00:52:32.920 --> 00:52:38.599
it a five as well. It's I mean, I get

1012
00:52:38.639 --> 00:52:40.679
excited when I get invited to Imax.

1013
00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:42.519
I think it's a brilliant venue.

1014
00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:46.840
It's my favorite cinema, and it's all well and good

1015
00:52:46.840 --> 00:52:49.079
to spend two out of million bucks, that's us, I

1016
00:52:49.159 --> 00:52:49.960
think on a movie.

1017
00:52:50.360 --> 00:52:51.719
But you've got to have a.

1018
00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:54.920
Decent script, don't you. But you know I think that

1019
00:52:54.920 --> 00:52:57.840
that's thought. Why is somebody ringing me while I'm on air?

1020
00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:01.159
Don't they know how how important it is that we

1021
00:53:01.639 --> 00:53:04.639
get our thoughts out about the mighty fightings and football machine.

1022
00:53:04.719 --> 00:53:07.039
That's a third reference to football. Are you appreciative of that?

1023
00:53:07.159 --> 00:53:09.960
Greg you're kicking goals today, Alex.

1024
00:53:10.039 --> 00:53:12.920
Oh, very good, Gregory. Now we've got to go.

1025
00:53:13.719 --> 00:53:16.480
But I've got to say, folks, please, if you haven't

1026
00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:19.199
seen Hard Truths, that's the other film we were going

1027
00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:19.679
to talk about.

1028
00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:21.800
But we'll run out of time. That is as well.

1029
00:53:22.239 --> 00:53:23.800
It hadn't thought for all we might have got to it.

1030
00:53:24.199 --> 00:53:27.039
Yes, I know, football for much more important, no, no,

1031
00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:33.239
equally important. Hard Truths are what a strong film and

1032
00:53:33.320 --> 00:53:37.519
a brilliant performance. And I actually felt very sorry for

1033
00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:42.559
the lead around whom the whole movie Gravitates. I thought

1034
00:53:42.599 --> 00:53:46.719
she deserved a nomination for Best Actress. And I'm talking

1035
00:53:46.719 --> 00:53:51.679
about mari Ane Jean Baptiste. Lovely name too, very fine

1036
00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:56.920
actor and what a character. I mean, really something different.

1037
00:53:57.000 --> 00:53:59.400
So if you get the chance. It was on as

1038
00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:01.800
part of the Brittain Film Festival. It's only a ninety

1039
00:54:01.840 --> 00:54:05.639
seven minute movie. It's rated M and I you know,

1040
00:54:05.719 --> 00:54:11.199
it's a combination of shock, horror and sympathy into there's

1041
00:54:11.199 --> 00:54:14.079
a bleakness and undoubted bleakness about hard truths, but it's

1042
00:54:14.119 --> 00:54:16.719
also compelling. It's kind of like like watching a train

1043
00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:19.880
wreck unfold and that's where the shock, horror and sympathy

1044
00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:20.239
come in.

1045
00:54:20.519 --> 00:54:22.760
So well that might be Alex's opinion.

1046
00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:27.159
Perhaps again you can be wrong, Jackie. It's you. Are

1047
00:54:27.199 --> 00:54:31.239
you going to be wrong again? Yeah? Oh good, Well we'll.

1048
00:54:31.039 --> 00:54:33.719
Have to talk about that on another occasion. Well, okay,

1049
00:54:33.960 --> 00:54:37.519
very briefly then without I mean, we're really run out

1050
00:54:37.599 --> 00:54:37.920
of time.

1051
00:54:37.960 --> 00:54:40.039
But what would you have given it? Out of ten? Jackie?

1052
00:54:40.119 --> 00:54:41.199
Quickly hard truths?

1053
00:54:41.719 --> 00:54:45.159
I think they gave it six, but it was I didn't.

1054
00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:48.519
I didn't find it entertainment and I didn't feel leavest

1055
00:54:48.519 --> 00:54:51.000
the cinema feeling happier entertained.

1056
00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:54.760
Well, what was your score out of ten for hard truths?

1057
00:54:56.039 --> 00:54:56.800
Are you for me?

1058
00:54:56.960 --> 00:54:57.159
Yes?

1059
00:54:57.480 --> 00:55:00.360
Another great Mike Lee film. Eight out of ten from that.

1060
00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:03.079
Yeah, the perfect that's three out of three for you

1061
00:55:03.239 --> 00:55:05.880
today three out of four And what about you, Greg?

1062
00:55:06.360 --> 00:55:09.719
Six out of ten, so again split the same.

1063
00:55:10.039 --> 00:55:12.679
My golly, what is today all about? We're gonna stop

1064
00:55:12.719 --> 00:55:16.360
where it was, quitting while we're ahead. Go mighty fighting

1065
00:55:16.519 --> 00:55:19.519
essen and football shape. You go for it boys, that's it,

1066
00:55:19.960 --> 00:55:22.639
he says. Oh, I'm so excited. We'll see you soon.

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First on Film and Entertainment, signing off, thank you guys

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for your contributions.