Feb. 10, 2025

Baby Girl: Nicole Kidman, Controversy, and the Power of Performance - S04E03

Baby Girl: Nicole Kidman, Controversy, and the Power of Performance - S04E03

**Host:** Alex First
**Guest Critics:** Greg King, Peter Krause, Sandy Kay and Jaqui Hammerton
**Episode Summary:**
In this riveting episode of First on Film & Entertainment, host Alex First reunites with critics Greg King, Peter Krause, Sandy...

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Season 4

**Host:** Alex First
**Guest Critics:** Greg King, Peter Krause, Sandy Kay and Jaqui Hammerton
**Episode Summary:**
In this riveting episode of First on Film & Entertainment, host Alex First reunites with critics Greg King, Peter Krause, Sandy Kay, and Jaqui Hammerton to dissect a range of films, including the controversial *Baby Girl*. The panel dives into Nicole Kidman's daring portrayal in a film that explores themes of power, sexuality, and personal struggle, sparking a heated debate over its explicitness and underlying messages. Sandy praises Kidman's fearless performance, while Jacqui challenges the panel's views on the film's content, leading to a lively discussion about societal perceptions of female sexuality. As the conversation unfolds, the critics also reflect on the psychological thriller *Companion*, which takes unexpected twists and turns, blending romance with horror in a unique narrative about artificial intelligence and human relationships. The group shares their varied opinions on the film's execution and character development, with Jacqui expressing her unexpected enjoyment of the film's chaotic charm. Finally, the episode concludes with a compelling review of *September 5th*, a gripping dramatization of the tragic events at the Munich Olympics, highlighting the ethical dilemmas faced by journalists during a crisis. The critics commend the film's authenticity and emotional weight, agreeing on its potential Oscar nominations. Tune in for an engaging exploration of contemporary cinema, filled with passionate critiques and insightful commentary.
**Highlights:**
- **Baby Girl:** A provocative exploration of female sexuality and power dynamics, featuring a bold performance by Nicole Kidman that ignites debate among the critics.
- **Companion:** A thrilling ride that subverts expectations, blending romance and horror as it delves into the implications of AI in human relationships.
- **September 5th:** A powerful docudrama capturing the tragic events of the Munich Olympics, praised for its authenticity and moral complexity, leaving a lasting impact on viewers.
00:03:17 - How sexually explicit do you think Nicole Kidman's Baby Girl is
00:05:47 - Jackie has the perfect life. She's CEO, her own company going places
00:06:42 - Nicole Kidman plays Romy Mathis in the upcoming film
00:08:09 - Baby Girl is in the same sexually charged milieu as Fatal Attraction
00:10:41 - Sandy says she enjoyed the whole cougar theme in this film
00:12:13 - Jack: I would have liked to have known why Romi didn't seek counselling
00:15:14 - Did you think Nicole Kidman was sexy in Rabbit Hole
00:17:33 - Greg, tell me about what the film are, please. Peter: I thought it was a handsome looking production
00:20:11 - Baby Girl explores issues about women's gender identity and their role in life
00:21:36 - Apart from perhaps the ending, Harris Dickinson's character is underdeveloped
00:22:41 - Peter gave Baby Girl a six out of ten. Jackie gave it a seven
00:25:37 - Jair Ma: Companion is a psychological thriller rated 97 minutes
00:26:39 - I remember my first meeting with my wife. It was incredibly memorable
00:26:56 - Ryan Reynolds says he may make a movie about his wife
00:27:48 - My mobile phone is ringing while we're doing live radio
00:28:37 - Sophie Thatcher plays Iris in M. McGrime
00:30:02 - Iris is nervous about saying and doing wrong things around Josh's friends
00:31:05 - Director Drew Hancock has a vivid imagination with this film
00:32:25 - While the dangers of AI and robots taking over are certainly apparent in Companion
00:34:06 - Peter felt Companion sacrificed AI component for revenge crime body count component
00:37:48 - Alex says there should be an award for best scene of the year
00:40:11 - Greg: Yeah, because it reminds him of his wife
00:40:32...

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First on Film and Entertainment.

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We have got Greg King, Peter Krause, Sandy Kay and

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Jackie Hamilton. So the gains back together again, and last

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week we had a bit of fun talking about a

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number of the Oscar nominated movies. There are a few

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others that we need to talk about that missed out

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potentially but are still worthy. One of them is Baby Girl. Now,

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it's a very controversial film, and it's controversial because obviously

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it talks about sex, involves sex, involves kinks.

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All of that stuff.

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But it's also about Nicole Kidman taking on roles that,

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let's say, adventurous.

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And I've got to say, I don't know about the

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rest of you, but.

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I admire the fact that she chooses films that are

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not necessarily easy topics.

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What do you think, Sandy, I, well, I.

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Agree with you one hundred percent in that she was

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quite amazing in this film. And you're right, it's right

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out there. I know you're going to tell everybody what

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the story is here, but you've got to be prepared

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for a bit of a sex ride in this film.

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And I'm just left wondering what Keith Urban had to

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say and what he thought of her role in this.

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Well, I mean it's not when you say it's right

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out there.

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Okay, it's got certain elements, but it's not basic instinct.

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I reckon a lot of it's suggestive rather than explicit,

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and that's obviously they wanted to play it. So yeah,

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I didn't think it was all you know, it was

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all that far. I think they could movies go a

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lot further than that. And it's just I think linking

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the subject matter with Nicole Kidman doing what she's doing

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and being a cougar and all of that stuff, I

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think that's what's got the attention of a lot of people.

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What about you, Jackie, what did you think of it?

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Well, Alex, I don't necessarily agree with you when you

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say it's suggestive but not explicit. I think it's extremely explicit,

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just because it doesn't Oh, this is all right. Sandy's

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dog barking?

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Is it? Sand to it? Dog gone?

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Now?

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Do you see it?

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Do you growl back at dog the same way that

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dog growls at you, Sandy.

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No, he's just barking at something outside.

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He likes me.

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Okay, sorry, go ahead, Jackie.

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I was saying I think that Nicole Hidman's role in

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this is very explicit and shown in explicit close up.

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It's just because you're used to the idea that you know,

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nudity and showing sex acts in full body is what

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being explicit is.

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Well, but hang on here, Okay, let's be clear for

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people who are going to go along and see this

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film for titillation reasons. I was going to say that

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we see her from behind, and we.

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We we just we see a flash or two of

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a nipple. That's it. I mean, it's not exactly that's

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what I'm saying. Well, that to me is not okay, mate.

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I've just gone to see as part of Midsummer the

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most explicit show I've ever seen, and that sort of

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went down to treat with the audience. But you know,

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I suppose I'm I can only compare it to other

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movies that we've seen, and I mean Basic Instinct was

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a lot more explicit than this.

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And that was nineteen ninety two. So what about you

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better find detail or the subject matter.

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But in terms of Nicole Kidman playing it, how sexually

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explicit you think baby Girl is?

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Peter?

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Oh sorry, I was getting double conversations. Look, I think

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we're missing the point of the film because yes, there

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is some sexual explicitness in so far as that she

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is a sex addict, but it's about power relationships and

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power plays and about women having power.

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I'm not questioning that at all.

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But I'm saying, would you consider this to be an

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explicit movie?

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Mildly explicit? Right, Miley?

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Okay, Greg, Yeah, while we're explicit, there are a few

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sort of confronting, problematic scenes there, but it's not as

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explicit as some of the films You've said, we've seen

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some eu opeion films.

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Yes, exactly.

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Look, I suppose also it's interesting here because it's is

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it long gender lines, Jackie?

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Perhaps in terms of perception.

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Absolutely, I think it is, Yes, totally. I think I'm

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saying it completely differently from how you.

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Yeah, you too, that's great, and that's why it's terrific

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that we've we've got you and Sandy on.

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I mean, this is this is a real close up,

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the close closest close up you can get during sex

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of a woman's most intimate moments. I mean, how much

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more explicitly than that.

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But it's not it's on face rather than elsewhere. Okay, Sandy,

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do you and.

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To agree with Jackie. I mean even the soundtrack has

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moaning in it. I mean, you've got to be careful

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who you attend this movie with. I have to tell you,

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if you're on a date and you haven't gone to

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bed with that person yet, this is not the movie

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that you want to go see.

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Not a first date on.

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It's definitely a few movie.

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I don't know if you've picked your partner carefully. Maybe

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it is.

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Who knows.

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No, it's full on and she's in such compromising situations.

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I mean, it doesn't when we say it's graphic and

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out there, it's not that we see genitals and things

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like that.

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It's much more subtle than that.

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I think exactly. Yep, and she's at her most vulnerable,

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and you know, I think that's explicit.

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Well, let's talk about the film a little bit more.

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It's rated runs for hundred and fourteen minutes, and to

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the outside world, this woman has the perfect life.

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She's CEO of her own company. The company's going places.

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She's up this doting theater director husband played by Antonio

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banderas couple of daughters, and she still has this metaphorical

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itch that has long needed scratching and in the most.

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Well, okay, sorry, sorry, it's just a very.

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So no, no, I'm sorry, I'm merely meally male, and

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that's the way I'm putting it. But in the most

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unlikely of circumstances, Jackie in the indeed is scratched and check.

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The same at the same time.

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Doing so puts in peril all that she's worked so

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diligently to attain. And I speak of a woman who's

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played by Nicole Kidman, whose character name is Rommy Mathis,

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and she's fashionable, she's highly regarded, and she's got a

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successful warehouse automation business. She during the business itself, engages

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several new in turns, and one of these immediately catches

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her eye. Earlier on the street, she had actually witnessed

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this particular intern Calming, a ferocious dog who was in

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attack mode, much like Sandy's dog was recently. No anyway,

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Samuel is his name played by Harrison Dickinson, and he's

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not backward in coming forward. He knows what he wants

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and he goes for it, and he chooses the Rommy character,

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the Nicole Kidman character as his reluctant mentor. And I

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say reluctant because she doesn't want to do it, and

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the tension in the air is palpable, so it's clear

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that physical intimacy between them just a matter of time.

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He's the one who will call the shots. He will

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turn up unexpectedly. She will succumb to the thrill and

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the danger, and Rommy has a decided kink, as does Samuel.

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She's though used to vanilla sex with her husband, that

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this is anything but that, and the age difference well

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no impacted.

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Both continue to push the boundaries.

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Unsurprisingly, matters will inevitably come to her head, and it's merely.

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A question of when.

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So, as Peter said, Baby Girl is about power and control,

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and it's also about women climbing the corporate ladder.

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And I'm not just talking here about Rommy.

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But also her personal assistant, Esme played by Sophie Wilde

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as May has long sought a promotion, and even though

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Rommy has an equal opportunity firm and praises Esme's work,

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Rommy has been prevarrogating about giving her that promotion. So look,

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I said, it's in the same sexually charged medieu as Fatal.

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Attraction that came out in nineteen eighty seven. And basic instinct.

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So the writer and director Helena Rain, who did instinct,

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draws us into this web of deceit, where the risk

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of exposure remains an ever present threat. A further sexual

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element in the story is Rommy's eldest daughter. Her name is Isabelle.

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The character name is Isabelle played by Esthera McGregor, and

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she's exploring her sexuality as well interest.

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In the same gender.

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So it's tense throughout Baby Girl. With the music and

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sound effects and already we've referenced sort of heavy breathing

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and moaning, they help to drive the narrative and Nicole

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Kidman really does throw caution to the wind another fearless performance.

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She gives herself over to the risque storyline.

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She really is a force to be reckoned with, whether

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wielding power or simply displaying vulnerability, which is what the

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role calls for.

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And look Harrison Dickinson.

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I can't say that he's entirely likable as the ball

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she lead, far from it, but that makes him eminently watchable,

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and again that's what the role calls for. And truth

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be told, he's the bad boy of the piece and

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I don't need to tell any listener. I don't think

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that this isn't the first time, nor will it be

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the last, that women are drawn to bad boys.

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Antonio benderis well, it's a largely thank less part of.

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The straight laced husband, and Sophie Wilde makes her mark

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as the executive assistant who learns how to step things up.

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So I mean yeah, and I kind of like Destain

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McGregor as well, quite a meaty role as the daughter

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unafraid of spreading her wings.

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So it certainly attracts attention Baby.

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Girl, and let's be honest, sex cells and it always has,

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always will. I can't say though, I was totally sold

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on what I thought was a convenient ending. I mean,

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I just thought, really, would this honestly happen in real life?

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I don't buy it.

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But regardless, no doubting that this is Nicole Kidman's vehicle

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and one where she deserves the accolade. So let's start

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off with you, Sandy, what did you think of Baby Girl?

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I hate to admit I really enjoyed it.

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I was on the edge of.

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My seat the entire time, and I was quite intrigued

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by the whole cougar theme.

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Which seems to be quite prevalent in films these days.

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It's little bit of a fashion for older women with

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younger men, And you kind of get.

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It in that setting.

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As you said, her marriage is, you know, it's quite stale.

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The sex she's having with a husband is pretty who hum.

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And this guy comes along and he's this ray of

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sunshine and spark of life. I mean, she has no

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idea when she gets involved with him that he's going

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to turn into this dominating character and make her do

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all sorts of crazy things.

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We didn't even have to make her.

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She was so compliant, she was willing to go along.

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And it really shows you that sex love with the

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question mark is a complete addiction.

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Nicole Kidman became addicted to this behavior and was.

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And could have lost everything, all the career that she

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built up so hugely, her family, her whole life could

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have been smashed.

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much about that, but I kind of get it. So

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I did. I did really enjoy this and it was

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quite a refreshing take.

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I thought, there we go personal revelations here. What about you, Jack.

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as usual, just the most fun good I would have liked.

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I would have liked to have known why right from

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the start Ronnie herself or with her husband didn't go

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to some form of counseling, because we wouldn't have had

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a movie. I know if it had worked it anyway,

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I would have liked to Jackie.

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The counseling may not have worked anyway.

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You can't just assume that if they had gone that

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it would magically fix their situation.

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No, no, but I would have liked some suggestion in

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the movie of why they didn't work or happened. But

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obviously her husband wasn't listening to her because she did

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attempt to draw him into this. It really is about

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the risk taking, and really that what is why I

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did like the ending Alex very much.

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I thought that it wouldn't No, I did, I did.

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Never, But I mean, if you relate everything to real life,

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this wouldn't.

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Sorry, I didn't realize it was a documentary.

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I thought it was a movie.

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You've got to buy what they're selling, don't you or me?

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And I didn't buy most of the movie. Okay, I

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really didn't buy most of the movie, but I liked

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the ending because a it showed that her husband finally did.

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Are we giving away the ending? How can I say

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why I like the ending If I can't.

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No, they were, You've got to be vague.

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I like the I like the ending both in terms

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of her her family life and in terms of the

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final scene in her professional life where she's in her

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office and has a conversation with an older gentleman. Anyway,

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so I liked that.

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I was for a moment. Let me at Sandy, did

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you buy the ending or not? Do you know what?

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I can't even remember the ending?

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Let me tell you.

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Amor obviously I know.

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What I do remember is that the marriage is resolved.

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Oh okay, guys, she's given it away. Okay, spoiler Anyway.

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One thing that I wanted to point out was how

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much the gist of this film, A Baby Girl reminded

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me of the film Last Summer, the French film about

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a similar aged woman who's a lawyer and has a

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wild affair with her husband's son, so her stepson, and

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this again is the same concept of the taking that

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gives the thrill that's missing from her life and her marriage.

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And I didn't like that film either. To me, again,

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that didn't ring true. I just you know, I just

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didn't ring true.

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Which films cer sex have you liked? Jackie Well?

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Sex is only one compliant these.

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Felt I understand that. Sorry I was being a bit cheeky,

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But what I'm really asking.

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I actually thought Nicole Kidman, you know, acted, performed, but

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was on camera was She's extraordinary. I've always liked her

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as an actress anyway, she hasn't always chosen the right films.

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I haven't always liked films, but kids, she should have.

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The one film she did consult me on was many

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years ago. I think it was probably about ten fifteen

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years ago was Rabbit Hole and I that's her in

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I viewed that's her best acting performance of all time

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and the best film she's ever appeared in. And I'll

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just that's one of my favorite films of all time. Actually,

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And while I'll always think she's a wonderful actress because

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of her role in that, but she was very good

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in this. I just didn't particularly like the story and

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I in particularly like the direction of it either choppy

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And did you think she was sexy?

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Do you think she was sexy? No?

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Not really?

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No, It's interesting people are really polarized by the way

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she looks. Some I think she looks fabulous, and some

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gentleman that I was speaking to going, Nah, she's a

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bean pole. She's up and down straight, she's not filuptuous,

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she's not good looking.

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She didn't she didn't even smile in the film. Her

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role wasn't as warm. She wasn't a warm hearted, smiling person.

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And I think that's a lot of Yeah.

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So no, I don't think she I mean Cindy.

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It depends the end, so that that question is it

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depends on your taste, I suppose. I mean, I think

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she looks extraordinary as well, So there you go.

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But it's the character she was playing, didn't he But

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I hum across as sexy?

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No, well, yeah, again I think she was sexy. But

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there you go. Greg, did you think she was sexy?

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Oh yeah, oh yeah. But here's the ahead with the

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let us leave and so not really getting excited, am I? No, No,

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Gully raised the temperature a little bit. Greg, tell me

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about what of the film? Please?

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You forgot to mention a film called Disclosure with Jimmy

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Moore and Mike Douglass about sexual harassment in the workplace

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as well, which I thought of when I was watching

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this film and changing power dynamics between Nicole Kidman's character

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and that of Harris Gipson. So yeah, but film those

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scenes of power, dynamic, sexuality, control and all that kind

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of stuff I didn't enjoyed as much as obviously Sandy did.

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I've thought the shifty natured of the relationshipship between the

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pair raised a lot of issues there, But for me,

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that faithful attraction that threatened their lives and reputation didn't really.

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Click for me.

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I thought it's a handsome looking production, glossy production values,

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nicely shot, I thought as well. And I thought Kidnam

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was quite strong as a tightly around Roman rommy ceo

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thriving in a male dominated world. Also bought some touches

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of vulnerability and uncertainty.

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Did role as well.

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I agree it's a brave and revealing performance in more

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ways than one.

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Reminded me a little bit of her work in Eyes

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Wide Shut.

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Actually yes, and the probing grammar, and I thought Diffinson

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brings a smoldering intensity to his role as a more

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enigmatic character.

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It didn't always convince me though, there you go, but

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I thought, with sorry Green, can you tell me why

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he didn't convince you? What? What? What? What sort of

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stood out? Yes, something that's a bit stand offish about him.

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I thought, just.

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Seeing maybe that was the character today, Maybe that was

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the character was trying to play.

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But it was a stand off.

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He probably wouldn't have structed someone like your whole kidman's character.

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So I'm not sure that for me it didn't quite work.

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But okay, that's certainly provocative and challenging enough film there,

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and it's problematic, and it's issue towards sexuality, gender roles,

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and power and domination. But it's certainly better than those

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tufty shades of gray films.

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That would be That wouldn't be too difficult, though, I

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had it if they set the bar pretty low?

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Did they? I reckon that? Yeah? Was there a bar

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there at all? Is my question? Okay, so what about

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you now?

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Okay, pleader, I can only imagine as a film what

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you thought of this?

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That that's my preamble to you. Go for it, my friend.

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Okay, now, let me put some sanity into this discussion.

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Who wants sanity? Come on, that's right, that's what they

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said at Christmas.

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We don't want a sanity clause Anyway, if we talk

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about this film, Helena Rain is the filmmaker, and she

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previously had made a film called Body's Body's Bodies, and

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she loves exploring issues about women, their gender identity, and

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their role in life. And she's done this in Baby

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Girl to some extent. I don't think she's done it

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completely successfully because from the outset we meet Nicole Kidman

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as her sexual character, and what the film progresses to

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show is that she's attracted to this younger man to

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accept her sexual proclivities and as a counterpoint to her

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mundane marriage to Antonio Banderas. So that is sort of understandable.

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What is not understandable is that she's never really at

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risk of being exposed because she's in charge of the company.

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She heads it up. She's impervious, in other words, to

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what anyone might find out or say about her, which

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makes the narrative a little bit weaker for my liking.

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And Helena, as I mentioned, a Dutch filmmaker who's had

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a lot of acclaim in her films. She has tried

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to navigate this not entirely successfully. Also, Harris Dickinson's character

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is underdeveloped in so far as his character he goes

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along for the ride because he thinks he might get

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some power or traction from it, But really we don't

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know much about him, and that's one of the failings

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of the film, apart from perhaps the ending, Apart from

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the mother daughter relationship, which I felt could have been

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more strongly developed. Hence, baby girl, who is the baby

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girl in this film? Is it me pol or is

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it her daughter?

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So Peter, he calls her baby girl that yeah, you can.

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You can call somebody anything you want potentially yes, as

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a term of endearment. So now just stop for a

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second with regards to the ending. What did you not

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like about the ending? Did you not think it was

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really in the context of what was being talked about

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or what did you not like?

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I think it was a convenient, almost me too type

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ending it. But that's as far as I'll go with that.

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Okay, No, that's very well.

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We already we've already given everybody's script virtually throughout this conversation.

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All right, So given all of this, given that we

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started off by saying, well, some people are going to

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be attracted to it because of its subject matter, let's

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start with you, Peter, with a score out of ten.

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I'm presuming that you're not going to give it much

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more than a six.

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Go through your spot on. I gave it six out

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of ten, Jackie.

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I I suspect that if you give it a six,

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that would be a surprise.

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But that's about as far as you'll go, too.

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Yes, well, I did just want to mention since Peter

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reminded me Bodies, Body's Bodies by the director of twenty

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twenty two. I love that film. That was a bit

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kind of macarb and mad cap and crazy and fun

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and gory. I really like that. I was surprised I

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like that. So this film is as a follow up

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by the director, is a bit of a disappointment for me.

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But I will give my extra points on it for

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Antonio Benderos, who is terrific as the as Rommy's husband.

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I gave Baby Girl five out of ten.

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Yeah, that's right. I was expecting a low ball score. Okay,

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it's left. It's left to the real people who like

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this movie. Sandy and I reckon, Sandy, you and maybe

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maybe I'll give it even a higher mark than you.

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But go for it. What are you giving it?

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I would give it a seven, but I don't understand

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why Antonio Banderas was so unappealing. He's supposed to be

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a sex symbol in himself, and when you look at

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her with him in this marriage, you go, yeah, I

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get it. I get why you'd like this, this young

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man who's so full of confidence in Bravado.

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And I think it says a lot about.

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Modern sexual relationships today as opposed to the traditional stereotype

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of relationships in the past. And maybe we're all too

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old to be judging relationships like this, but you know,

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I'm always open to learning, so yeah, I would give

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it a seven. I thought her performance was good. I

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liked the young man's performance too. Banderas didn't have to

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do much, he was pretty sidelined. And I quite enjoyed

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the thought provoking nature of this film, which kind of

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questioned how the world has changed and where women do

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stand today, well, where both genders step all genders stand today.

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Yeah, look, you clearly got a lot out of this one,

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which it's interestingferent perspectives amongst all of us here, I thought,

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apart from the ending, which, as we've talked about enough,

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I thought it was good.

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00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:09.440
Seven and a half out of ten for Baby Girl.

457
00:25:09.440 --> 00:25:12.200
It's MA rated runs one hundred and fourteen minutes, and

458
00:25:12.640 --> 00:25:14.839
go along and make your own judgment based on this.

459
00:25:14.960 --> 00:25:15.519
What about me?

460
00:25:16.039 --> 00:25:20.119
Oh, I'm sorry, Greg said anything fair? I want my share?

461
00:25:21.599 --> 00:25:25.599
Holy was a numb his face, Shanon Noel.

462
00:25:26.440 --> 00:25:29.640
Oh, golly, I would Jeffy on this one? Five out

463
00:25:29.640 --> 00:25:32.279
of ten for me. I'm mortified. I'm sorry, Greg, I

464
00:25:32.359 --> 00:25:33.160
totally forgot you.

465
00:25:33.400 --> 00:25:36.200
It's literoight, I'm used to being ignored and overlook, Alex,

466
00:25:36.319 --> 00:25:36.960
way about it?

467
00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:40.279
All right, Well, hang on, you can have your first

468
00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:43.440
say on being my Companion, which is the next movie

469
00:25:43.480 --> 00:25:44.119
we're talking about.

470
00:25:44.319 --> 00:25:46.440
You're on Jay Air by the way, eighty eight FM.

471
00:25:46.680 --> 00:25:49.599
He contribute. Why not? Fifty four bucks gets you membership.

472
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473
00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:55.119
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474
00:25:55.359 --> 00:25:58.680
and yeah, we want to keep the station on air.

475
00:25:59.079 --> 00:26:01.759
So Companion the a of the movie m A, rated

476
00:26:01.839 --> 00:26:05.119
ninety seven minutes. And I'll start by saying, be careful

477
00:26:05.160 --> 00:26:07.759
what you wish for, because that really is one of

478
00:26:07.799 --> 00:26:12.920
the takeaways from the psychological thriller. And what I really

479
00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:16.160
liked about this movie is it goes in one direction

480
00:26:16.240 --> 00:26:18.960
and then all of a sudden goes click, and oh

481
00:26:19.039 --> 00:26:23.400
my golly, it really ramps up so very first, I

482
00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:26.000
don't know whether you any of us remember your first

483
00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:31.079
meeting with your partner. I certainly do, because here I'll

484
00:26:31.119 --> 00:26:32.920
do a little bit of seeing you have done a

485
00:26:32.920 --> 00:26:35.960
lot of the personal initially. In terms of talking about

486
00:26:36.039 --> 00:26:39.079
the previous movie, Sandy, I'll talk a little bit about companion.

487
00:26:39.640 --> 00:26:43.319
I remember my first meeting with my wife. It was

488
00:26:43.519 --> 00:26:45.119
incredibly memorable.

489
00:26:45.799 --> 00:26:47.480
You're sure there is a real meeting and not a

490
00:26:47.559 --> 00:26:50.000
figment of your programming it?

491
00:26:50.119 --> 00:26:52.079
Well, it could be my mind.

492
00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:53.000
Eh, don't know.

493
00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:57.759
Spoiler spoiler, Yeah, hang on, what is going on here?

494
00:26:57.799 --> 00:26:59.559
Guys? We do not want to give away too much

495
00:26:59.559 --> 00:27:03.079
about him? All right? And I assume your trailer knows

496
00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:05.240
what the movie's about.

497
00:27:05.640 --> 00:27:09.039
Well, yes, but somebody might go without saying the trailer

498
00:27:09.319 --> 00:27:10.400
erect correct.

499
00:27:10.519 --> 00:27:15.160
Anyway, I remember what my wife was wearing, how she looked,

500
00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:18.039
and the impact she had on me when we met

501
00:27:18.079 --> 00:27:18.920
all those years ago.

502
00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:20.400
It was phenomenal.

503
00:27:20.839 --> 00:27:22.519
So don't you make a movie about it?

504
00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:24.319
Well?

505
00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:27.359
Yeah, because I'm a reviewer not a movie maker, so

506
00:27:27.440 --> 00:27:28.119
you can make it.

507
00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:29.759
You'll give me your take on it.

508
00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:33.599
But who would play you in the movie? Would it

509
00:27:33.640 --> 00:27:34.599
be Tom Cruise.

510
00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:37.000
No, it's interesting.

511
00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:40.480
I some people have equated me to another actor.

512
00:27:41.480 --> 00:27:46.039
His first name is Ryan. What's his surname? God's just no. No,

513
00:27:46.359 --> 00:27:49.599
it was a oh great, my mobile phone is ringing?

514
00:27:49.640 --> 00:27:51.920
What we're doing? Don't people know not to disturb me

515
00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:53.920
in this context. I don't know what to do here.

516
00:27:54.079 --> 00:27:58.920
How do I switch? Turn it off? Turn it off, folks,

517
00:27:59.000 --> 00:28:00.839
I don't know. I'm trying to it often it doesn't

518
00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:02.640
turn off. I'm visiting a.

519
00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:04.880
Lot of technical problems today.

520
00:28:05.759 --> 00:28:07.960
You know what it is. I mustn't have put it

521
00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:10.920
on silence, so I bring them back. So I apologize

522
00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:14.680
for everybody listening. This is chaos, okay. The reason I'm

523
00:28:14.680 --> 00:28:15.400
mentioning all of this.

524
00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:17.200
And I've got to say that my wife was in

525
00:28:17.240 --> 00:28:20.759
a jumpsuit with a purple shell in the middle of

526
00:28:20.759 --> 00:28:23.240
her mid riff and her eyes and makeup.

527
00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:29.200
Oh my golly. Anyway, this big I was turning into

528
00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:35.599
a relationship show. And it's very strange. It is. Look,

529
00:28:35.960 --> 00:28:39.079
that's the beauty of live radio. Decidedly awkward.

530
00:28:39.119 --> 00:28:43.599
First meeting at the supermarket for the star of this one,

531
00:28:43.720 --> 00:28:47.599
a lady called Iris played by Sophie Thatcher. I wonder

532
00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:54.039
whether she's related to Margaret anyway? He is she related

533
00:28:54.079 --> 00:29:00.960
to the former British prime minister, Why, I'm probably not anyway.

534
00:29:01.839 --> 00:29:06.720
Her name's IRA's and she meets Josh played by Jack Quaid, who, yes,

535
00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:08.559
is Dennis Quaid's son, isn't he?

536
00:29:08.920 --> 00:29:13.559
Yes? Nisquayed mcryan, Yes, So there you go.

537
00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:16.599
So why wouldn't Sophie Thatcher be related to Margaret? I'd

538
00:29:16.640 --> 00:29:17.480
say ask again?

539
00:29:17.799 --> 00:29:22.359
Anyway? The connection in this supermarket is palpable. It's a

540
00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:24.160
question of which child did they meet in the meatile?

541
00:29:24.200 --> 00:29:24.640
Did they meant it?

542
00:29:24.759 --> 00:29:24.799
No?

543
00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:28.880
Anyway? True aile, they did meet. Yes, they went fruit

544
00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:29.680
loops for each other.

545
00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:30.519
Oranges?

546
00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:30.920
Was that?

547
00:29:31.839 --> 00:29:34.960
Yeah? So it was really?

548
00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:35.160
What?

549
00:29:35.799 --> 00:29:37.480
So it's matching oranges with apples?

550
00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:41.319
Anyway, IRA's falls hard for Josh and they become a couple.

551
00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:44.720
And sometime later they take a trip to visit Josh's

552
00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:47.079
friends in this beautiful.

553
00:29:46.480 --> 00:29:50.160
Home in remote bush land by the sea. Villain, let's quick,

554
00:29:50.200 --> 00:29:51.160
the interrupt Alex.

555
00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:53.880
Sophie Thatcher is actually American. Well she's probably why she's

556
00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:55.240
not related to mother Teucher.

557
00:29:55.960 --> 00:29:58.519
There you go, I got it. I was totally screwed up.

558
00:29:58.680 --> 00:30:02.039
No one to I've got a second apology for you today, Greg.

559
00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:05.359
So having said all of that, Iris is very very

560
00:30:05.400 --> 00:30:09.279
nervous about saying and doing the wrong things around Josh's friends,

561
00:30:09.319 --> 00:30:10.799
but he.

562
00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:13.200
Basically says, don't worry about it. Everything, I'll be fine.

563
00:30:13.839 --> 00:30:17.759
Iris is particularly concerned about a female friend of Josh

564
00:30:17.799 --> 00:30:23.240
called Cat played by Meghan Suri, who Iris basically believe.

565
00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:27.240
She believes that that Cat doesn't like her, and this

566
00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:31.559
luxurious home, well, it turns out to be that of Cat.

567
00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:34.640
That friend I've just spoken about. She's got a.

568
00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:38.440
Russian gangster boyfriend called Serge and he's the one who

569
00:30:38.519 --> 00:30:43.359
owns this house. Serge played by an almost unrecognizable rupert friend.

570
00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:48.000
And also there is a gay couple called Ellie and Patrick,

571
00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:51.680
and like Iris and Josh, they were besotted when their

572
00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:52.880
eyes first met.

573
00:30:53.240 --> 00:30:55.359
In rather absurd circumstances.

574
00:30:55.400 --> 00:30:59.000
So yeah, first meetings, it's all about anyway, all seems

575
00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:04.359
to be in order. SERGEI overreaches badly and thereafter they'll

576
00:31:04.359 --> 00:31:07.799
be hell to pay. And when thinking about this movie,

577
00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:11.519
the first thing I thought of, the expression first impressions

578
00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:13.480
can be misleading immediately.

579
00:31:13.039 --> 00:31:13.680
Comes to mind.

580
00:31:13.880 --> 00:31:15.559
And not to put too fine a point on it,

581
00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:20.039
blood will be spilt more than once. The title comes

582
00:31:20.079 --> 00:31:24.759
from what we're dealing with here, namely lifelike companion robots,

583
00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:28.119
so you know this is a guilty pleasure. I really

584
00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:31.519
enjoyed the wild ride became more intense and far fetched

585
00:31:31.559 --> 00:31:34.880
as it progressed, and one of the golden rules of

586
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:37.440
robotics is in this movie is.

587
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:39.000
That humanoids can't lie.

588
00:31:40.119 --> 00:31:42.400
And dare I say, A brave new world awaits The

589
00:31:42.440 --> 00:31:45.359
writer directors Drew Hancock. He cut his teeth on television

590
00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:48.960
and he clearly has a vivid imagination, and an advantage

591
00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:51.119
of the script is that you really never know where

592
00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:55.519
the narrative is heading. There's shocks and surprises of plenty,

593
00:31:55.839 --> 00:32:00.440
and Factor transitions nicely from needy and compliant to rather

594
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:05.440
resourceful and pragmatic, and Quaid shows Josh's ugly side friend.

595
00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:07.720
Well he invokes fear as Sugo.

596
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:11.279
He really does, and I thought the two boys were

597
00:32:11.359 --> 00:32:13.359
quite a polished and playful.

598
00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:14.359
So I appreciate it.

599
00:32:14.440 --> 00:32:18.359
Also, there's a highway cop here played by Mark Manetchaka,

600
00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:21.000
and I thought he was a sort of cameo role,

601
00:32:21.039 --> 00:32:22.920
but it was memorable.

602
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:26.759
So yeah. Performances were good, while the dangers.

603
00:32:26.359 --> 00:32:29.119
Of Ali and robots taking over are certainly apparent in

604
00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:32.200
this movie. What's also on show here is greed, And

605
00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:36.319
I'm here to tell you that, despite Gordon Gecko's creed

606
00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:40.519
in Wall Street, greed ain't good. Right, Let's be honest

607
00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:42.839
in terms of this movie. Still there's a lot of

608
00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:44.559
the carb Thunderby had in Companion.

609
00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:45.200
Isn't there greed?

610
00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:46.200
There is?

611
00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:51.279
Indeed here You mentioned the fact that a robots there. Now,

612
00:32:51.559 --> 00:32:54.359
the show reminded me a lot of Westworld, the model

613
00:32:54.400 --> 00:32:57.319
quite in film from nineteen seventy three where robot goes, hey,

614
00:32:57.319 --> 00:33:00.039
why breaks down and it's on a killing stree. So

615
00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:02.559
that's where I thought. That's what first one I thought

616
00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:04.440
of I was watching this one. But it is a

617
00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:07.480
lot of fun. It keeps subverting your expectations. You never

618
00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:10.759
saw where it's going. It's always sort of changing there.

619
00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:12.799
I thought the performances were good as well.

620
00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:13.039
Shot.

621
00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:15.000
There's a lot of humor in here, and for such

622
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:17.279
a small cast there is actually a high body count.

623
00:33:18.039 --> 00:33:21.880
Yes, well, movies like this are like that.

624
00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:25.079
But isn't it interesting how it starts off as decidedly

625
00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:28.319
one thing and ends up as something entirely different?

626
00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:29.160
But it's done.

627
00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:32.319
The note I suppose the notes are associated with it

628
00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:36.559
are winners as far as I'm concerned, Greg, Yep, yeah.

629
00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:39.119
Yeah, I like the fact that I had a potted

630
00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:40.920
the depiction of that gay couple for it a while

631
00:33:40.960 --> 00:33:41.640
there as well.

632
00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:44.759
Yes, well, I mean, which is unusually in a mainstream

633
00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:45.440
Hollywood film.

634
00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:49.119
Well, Eli or Ellie played by Harvey Guillel and Patrick

635
00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:53.240
by Lucas Gage. So yeah, as I said, both of them,

636
00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:56.480
I mean, Gauge is quite polished as Patrick, and Glen

637
00:33:56.759 --> 00:33:58.599
is playful as Eli or Ellie.

638
00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:01.440
I'm not sure. I can't remember I had their own

639
00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:03.759
cute make cute sorry as.

640
00:34:03.680 --> 00:34:07.160
Well, don't they they do, indeed very much. So, Peter,

641
00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:09.920
did you did you like Companion?

642
00:34:10.519 --> 00:34:15.960
Not particularly? I've seen a number of of course, why

643
00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:17.920
would you? Why we Peter.

644
00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:23.719
AI robot related films x Mashner, The trouble was Being Born,

645
00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:27.000
et cetera. There are a number of good films, and

646
00:34:27.639 --> 00:34:29.800
this one doesn't quite work for me. In fact, it

647
00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:33.320
felt for me like it was an extended student film

648
00:34:33.400 --> 00:34:37.039
that needed a few more script drafts because it sacrificed

649
00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:43.639
the AI component for the revenge crime body count component,

650
00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:48.199
which the film then settles into I really felt that

651
00:34:48.239 --> 00:34:53.280
the characters were underdefined. I felt the storyline was a

652
00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:58.559
big tweet at the start and then became rather pointless

653
00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:02.719
as it progressed in terms of the revenge aspect.

654
00:35:03.159 --> 00:35:05.840
I was quite disappointed by it. I expected this to

655
00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:09.239
be a much stronger film. So hang on.

656
00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:14.400
When they didn't you like the romantic meetings between the

657
00:35:14.440 --> 00:35:15.360
parties at the start?

658
00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:16.480
You didn't like it at.

659
00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:22.159
All, contrived and sacrificed for what the film really was about.

660
00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:25.599
Later on, come on, love and sex, you know, go

661
00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:27.679
for it. This is what this whole program.

662
00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:30.880
Is all about. Loved sex on film. See to be

663
00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:34.000
a scene running through this program today exactly.

664
00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:36.960
Maybe we got to rename it for this particular. Well

665
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:39.639
do we put it in sort of a black paper

666
00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:40.360
bag or something?

667
00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:44.480
Six lines and videotape? How's that? Very good? Thank you, Greg?

668
00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:46.199
I take it up.

669
00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:48.559
My people will take it up with your people. Okay,

670
00:35:48.719 --> 00:35:54.360
So what about you, Jackie? I surely you like this one.

671
00:35:54.639 --> 00:35:55.840
I didn't like it.

672
00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:58.599
I loved it good stuf.

673
00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:01.239
This is like, did not expect to like it. I

674
00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:03.599
actually don't like sci fi films, and I was a

675
00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:06.800
bit u when I saw the photo on the poster.

676
00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:11.559
But it's such a romp it really is. It's about

677
00:36:11.679 --> 00:36:18.239
fun entertainment, Peter. It's not necessarily about it. And I

678
00:36:18.280 --> 00:36:21.079
didn't like the start because I was thinking, Oh, this

679
00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:24.920
is a kind of a dull rom com sort of thing.

680
00:36:25.480 --> 00:36:28.719
And then it starts the twists, and it's a twisty tail,

681
00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:31.159
and it just keeps going and it builds up into

682
00:36:31.199 --> 00:36:36.719
this kind of gory horror sci fi, keeps the romance going,

683
00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:39.360
and it's a thriller, and it's sort of got a

684
00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:41.599
bit of everything. Yes, it throws everything in there, and

685
00:36:41.639 --> 00:36:44.559
I thought that was good fun and I really enjoyed that.

686
00:36:44.719 --> 00:36:48.119
It's a little bit ridiculous at times that so you

687
00:36:48.159 --> 00:36:51.039
could have a bit of a laugh. And yet I

688
00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:54.320
really liked all of the characters. Okay, maybe they weren't

689
00:36:54.360 --> 00:36:57.400
all fully developed, but as we got to know them,

690
00:36:57.480 --> 00:37:00.840
we sort of worked out where their place was in

691
00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:04.920
the film. And I was quite invested in all of them.

692
00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:10.280
I'm human and not and so the story was clever.

693
00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:13.000
The story was fun. I loved a home in the woods.

694
00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:19.360
It was a good setting and a beautiful architecture there

695
00:37:19.519 --> 00:37:23.039
for me to enjoy. And I also liked as you

696
00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:28.159
mentioned that one scene with the highway policeman, that was

697
00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:32.159
probably my favorite scene in the film in German by

698
00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:34.599
the side of the road, because there was so much

699
00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:36.920
going on in the undercurrent there and the looks in

700
00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:40.360
the faces and the contengulish and that it was just

701
00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:45.320
a clever dialogue and a really snappy, fun, little memorable

702
00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:48.400
episode in the film. Companion.

703
00:37:48.800 --> 00:37:51.159
You know something, Jagie, it's funny you're mentioning this.

704
00:37:51.719 --> 00:37:53.719
I reckon there should be an award for the best

705
00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:57.440
scene of the year, right, I've never I'm not aware

706
00:37:57.480 --> 00:37:58.800
that there is one, but I mean.

707
00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:00.239
See, how would you judge that?

708
00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:03.239
Well, I think it'll be damn hard, But wouldn't it

709
00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:04.360
be that'd be a lot of fun.

710
00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:05.719
I reckon you could get.

711
00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:09.559
But so times the best scene Alex will be because

712
00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:13.440
of what's gone on before. So the scene in itself,

713
00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:18.320
you know, might not work unless you know what's built

714
00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:19.079
up to it.

715
00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:22.079
Why don't you add another another Oscar for best scene

716
00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:24.000
of the year. I mean, let's do it.

717
00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:26.400
Then, hold on, let's do it for them, you know.

718
00:38:26.800 --> 00:38:30.119
And there needs to be ten, up to ten categories

719
00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:32.519
of best Director. I still say, if you've got ten

720
00:38:32.559 --> 00:38:36.199
categories of best film. Do they direct themselves? That's been

721
00:38:36.199 --> 00:38:39.239
my bug bear, Sandy did did you see it?

722
00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:39.880
Oh?

723
00:38:39.920 --> 00:38:41.159
You didn't say? Okay, no worries you.

724
00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:43.920
By the sounds of all of you talking about it,

725
00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:46.639
apart from you, Jackie, I'm not sorry.

726
00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:48.719
Oh this guy, I.

727
00:38:48.639 --> 00:38:51.719
Can't help it if the boys aren't enthusiastic.

728
00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:55.760
Exactly, and I like it. It's only Peter, mister grumbleguts

729
00:38:56.000 --> 00:39:01.360
la Peter, that's entertainment. It's entertainment exactly, all right, go on,

730
00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:04.599
layball it for me, Pete, okay, four out of ten

731
00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:13.679
from me to the g that is that's Peter. The

732
00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:17.159
greench is your name? From here on. Wow, Companion's a

733
00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:22.079
ninety seven minutes. Okay, Greg, go for it. Seven mm hmmm, Jackie,

734
00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:23.719
I was going to tell.

735
00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:28.360
You about my first meeting. Oh, okay, I partner, Piper.

736
00:39:29.320 --> 00:39:30.800
This is a dog. We're not We're not.

737
00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:35.320
Yes, that's all right, okay, Companion. I gave Companion's out.

738
00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:39.480
Of ten are we talking about animal husbandry now right?

739
00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:41.239
Okay?

740
00:39:41.960 --> 00:39:46.239
Out of ten? Lovely, good, fun, entertaining and okay, maybe

741
00:39:46.519 --> 00:39:49.920
some people are a bit old for it. No, I

742
00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:53.159
shouldn't say that. I shouldn't say that, but I what

743
00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:55.199
what one thing that did come across for me is

744
00:39:55.239 --> 00:39:58.360
it is a very fresh, young, modern film. But that,

745
00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:01.360
you know, anybody can enjoy that. I was just being cheeky, then.

746
00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:01.840
No, you were.

747
00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:04.320
And I've got to say, it's kind of interesting. We're

748
00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:07.559
all around the same age, folks. In case you thought

749
00:40:07.599 --> 00:40:09.199
that was a real dig, we all.

750
00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:10.159
Are around the same age.

751
00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:13.239
Anyway, Let's let's let's go on to the next movie,

752
00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:15.360
like seven and a half.

753
00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:18.159
Greg, Great, so you're forgetting a lot today.

754
00:40:18.559 --> 00:40:21.320
Now that's because it reminds him of his wife.

755
00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:25.519
Well, no, then it would then it would be a ten, right,

756
00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:29.920
So having said that, unfortunately she's never listened, so my

757
00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:31.679
references are totally lost.

758
00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:33.719
Have he said all of that?

759
00:40:34.039 --> 00:40:37.639
Let's let's talk about a really important movie called September five,

760
00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:41.400
which is ninety five minutes rateed M and.

761
00:40:41.599 --> 00:40:42.639
Boy, this is a good film.

762
00:40:42.679 --> 00:40:46.920
I mean really, I'm surprised that this didn't pick up

763
00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:50.519
so that this, to me, should have been given quite

764
00:40:50.519 --> 00:40:53.760
a few Oscar nominations. But anyway, it was the day

765
00:40:54.079 --> 00:40:57.400
live sports coverage became live news coverage of the most

766
00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:02.159
heenous kind. And we're talking September five, nineteen seventy two,

767
00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:05.760
and it's at the athlete's village in Munich at the

768
00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:09.920
twentieth Summer Olympics, and terrorists, for those people who are

769
00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:14.280
around would remember this, affiliated with this milletant organization known

770
00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:19.960
as Black September, captured and killed eleven Israeli athletes and coaches.

771
00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:23.599
And this movie tells the story from the perspective of

772
00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:26.639
the American television network that was covering the games that

773
00:41:26.840 --> 00:41:30.800
being ABC in the United States. And I've got to

774
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:34.039
say these Olympic Games that we're talking about were the

775
00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:37.760
first to be broadcast live around the world via satellite.

776
00:41:38.440 --> 00:41:41.840
So you've got Jeffrey Mason played by John mcgaro, a

777
00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:45.119
young ambitious producer and he's keen to prove himself to

778
00:41:45.159 --> 00:41:49.559
his mentor Marvin Bader played by Ben Chaplin, and their boss,

779
00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:53.039
who happens to be a legendary television executive called Rune

780
00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:56.599
art Ledge played by Peter Sarsgard or not with a

781
00:41:56.679 --> 00:42:01.920
t r ledge rather than art Ledge, Rune art ar Ledge. Mason,

782
00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:07.280
this young ambitious producer, is behind the control panel when

783
00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:11.320
shots that shook the globe bring out and suddenly it's

784
00:42:11.360 --> 00:42:15.039
all hands on deck as Sarsgard fights for the sports

785
00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:18.079
arm of the network, which is on the ground in Munich,

786
00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:21.719
to retain control of the unfolding story because usual practice

787
00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:25.039
would have been to immediately divert to news and they

788
00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:27.920
would have covered it remotely from the United States. So

789
00:42:28.039 --> 00:42:31.039
with the help of a German interpreter called Marianne Gebhard

790
00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:35.119
played by Leoni Benesh Mason and the crews scramble to

791
00:42:35.159 --> 00:42:38.400
bring the world the unfolding events, and there's no shortage

792
00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:42.800
of internal and external tension as live pictures capture hooded

793
00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:46.599
guerrillas on a hotel balcony and hostages.

794
00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:49.199
In extreme peril. And I mean, it brought it all back,

795
00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:50.519
and I found.

796
00:42:50.239 --> 00:42:54.840
It really affecting, really distressing to sit through this. I

797
00:42:54.920 --> 00:42:58.400
was quite emotional, and it's been remarkably crafted. The production

798
00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:02.039
values in this movie are nominal. It mixes broadcast vision

799
00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:04.519
from the time with a dramatization of the events that

800
00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:05.079
went down.

801
00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:06.400
The looks on.

802
00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:09.960
The faces of the key players say it all. They're interchanges.

803
00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:14.559
What they do feels real, really impressive, And bear in mind,

804
00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:17.639
this is unlike anything that the TV Sports team had

805
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:21.280
previously confronted. And one of the key question the questions

806
00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:24.239
it's posed is just how far should they go in

807
00:43:24.320 --> 00:43:25.119
telling the story?

808
00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:27.239
What do they actually show on television?

809
00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:31.400
What don't they Then there's the politics of the situation

810
00:43:31.719 --> 00:43:35.880
and the behind the scenes political byplay. So there's a

811
00:43:35.920 --> 00:43:38.719
lot going on here and it's a movie that I

812
00:43:38.760 --> 00:43:41.199
would highly commend. I think there's going to be a

813
00:43:41.239 --> 00:43:45.400
lot of people who appreciate what's pictured here as Mason,

814
00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:49.880
John mcgaro comes across as dynamic and competent. Ben Chaplin

815
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:53.320
as Beta really keen to ensure that they're safe, on

816
00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:56.800
that they are safe, on sorry, that they are on

817
00:43:57.039 --> 00:44:01.960
safe grounds, and Sarsgard shows leadership as Alge, and Benish

818
00:44:02.199 --> 00:44:06.320
adds character and depth as the German interpreter, highly attuned,

819
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:09.079
I might say, to the country's ignominious past.

820
00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:11.000
I'm talking about the Holocaust, and for.

821
00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:13.639
Those who've lived through the horror of what unfolded at

822
00:44:13.679 --> 00:44:17.119
the time, as with me, I dare say the film

823
00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:19.559
will bring it all back and for others who didn't

824
00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:23.039
or weren't even aware of this stain on the Olympics

825
00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:24.400
and on common decency.

826
00:44:24.960 --> 00:44:26.079
It's a real eye opener.

827
00:44:26.199 --> 00:44:29.159
And the co writer with Maurice Binder and Alex David

828
00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:33.000
and the director Tim Felbaum. I think it's to be

829
00:44:33.079 --> 00:44:36.960
highly commended for his focus on authenticity, which extends to

830
00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:40.559
the actual broadcasting equipment, the original broadcast equipment.

831
00:44:40.599 --> 00:44:41.480
Amazing stuff.

832
00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:45.679
And whilst it's far from an easy watch, September five

833
00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:50.239
is undeniably ritty and gripping and as far as I'm concerned,

834
00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:53.000
it so must see. What did you think of it, Peter?

835
00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:54.639
I agree with you.

836
00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:58.599
It's an excellent film, almost like a docu drama recreating

837
00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:01.039
the events of the time, and I know it was

838
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:04.400
shot at the Bavarian Film Studios in Munich to give

839
00:45:04.440 --> 00:45:09.440
it to that authenticity. Yes, it's an excellent casting for

840
00:45:09.880 --> 00:45:13.800
everyone involved. But the whole notion of the ethics and

841
00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:18.559
the politics and the historical perspective that the Germans were

842
00:45:18.719 --> 00:45:21.199
careful not to deal with because they didn't want to

843
00:45:21.239 --> 00:45:29.239
be shown as interrogating or as providing sort of negative

844
00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:33.679
sort of coverage for the Olympics. It's really fascinating stuff

845
00:45:33.880 --> 00:45:35.960
and as I said, the ethics and power play are

846
00:45:36.039 --> 00:45:41.119
really beautifully done. The only Benisch who's that plays the translator.

847
00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:45.039
I'm sure people recognize her from the teacher's lounge. The

848
00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:50.679
excellent German film. So there is so much to like

849
00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:56.039
and admire about the recreation of the events of this film,

850
00:45:56.119 --> 00:45:59.119
and a lot to think about. Tim Felbaum, who is

851
00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:03.960
the Swiss German and write director of this film, who's

852
00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:08.599
made some other terrific films, has really portrayed the events

853
00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:12.159
of that era extremely well, and it gives you a

854
00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:16.639
real insight into how a newsroom or a sports journalist

855
00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:22.000
collective will deal with unfolding events that are very difficult

856
00:46:22.039 --> 00:46:24.639
to deal with in the first place. What do you

857
00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:25.480
show on screen?

858
00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:29.360
Do you encourage the plo so much going on in

859
00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:31.159
this film? Very impressed.

860
00:46:31.559 --> 00:46:34.719
Yeah, And I also thought of The Teacher's Lounge is

861
00:46:34.760 --> 00:46:38.199
a phenomenal film if people haven't seen it, because the

862
00:46:38.480 --> 00:46:43.000
leone Benish plays the sort of teacher trying to get

863
00:46:43.039 --> 00:46:46.199
the bottom of a particular matter involving theft, and it

864
00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:49.159
goes far further than that. So if people haven't seen

865
00:46:49.159 --> 00:46:51.880
that one, I would highly commend it. What about you, Jackie,

866
00:46:51.960 --> 00:46:55.719
what did you think of this movie September five?

867
00:46:56.559 --> 00:47:00.800
I all agree with pretty much everything said about September five.

868
00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:04.679
Real sense of immersion in it, and I think that's

869
00:47:05.239 --> 00:47:09.599
thanks to the obviously the painstaking research that they've done,

870
00:47:09.639 --> 00:47:14.480
and as you say, using authentic materials and dialogue and

871
00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:17.960
all those sorts of things. A real sense of you know,

872
00:47:18.119 --> 00:47:21.840
kind of being there behind the scenes and not always

873
00:47:21.880 --> 00:47:24.679
really knowing what's going on and having to make decisions

874
00:47:24.679 --> 00:47:28.280
on the fly. And one thing that apart from the

875
00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:33.400
actual story of what's going on and that that I

876
00:47:33.519 --> 00:47:37.599
found interesting as a byproduct of looking back, is it

877
00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:41.920
does show how much technology has advanced in fifty years,

878
00:47:41.960 --> 00:47:44.480
which we know, of course, but it's really interesting to

879
00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:48.039
look at the immediacy of the comparison of what they were,

880
00:47:48.239 --> 00:47:51.719
how they were gathering news back then, and yet how

881
00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:54.159
some things have never changed of the way I use

882
00:47:54.199 --> 00:47:57.000
hound will chase a story and you know, go for

883
00:47:57.079 --> 00:48:01.280
the best angle and be making decisions on the fly

884
00:48:01.360 --> 00:48:05.480
about what they can and can't use ethics and using

885
00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:08.840
their contacts, and and the politics of course that are

886
00:48:08.840 --> 00:48:13.440
going on within the within the sports area there in

887
00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:19.079
the news area. So really interesting and very involving, especially

888
00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:23.159
if you don't have two people in the audience at

889
00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:26.039
the cinema just talking NonStop and looking at their phones

890
00:48:26.119 --> 00:48:27.760
all the time, which was really annoying.

891
00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:30.760
But there you go, Yes, Okay, Unfortunately you had to

892
00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:31.239
put up with that.

893
00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:35.840
The I did the I find it fascinating because I

894
00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:38.639
was in both radio and TV sort of soon after

895
00:48:38.679 --> 00:48:42.280
this this film was set, and I remember the equipment

896
00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:43.000
that we used.

897
00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:46.159
I remember. It's it's fascinating you.

898
00:48:46.119 --> 00:48:51.159
Too, Sorry you said that, Yes, ye did you You

899
00:48:51.239 --> 00:48:54.400
must have used in radio. If you were in radio,

900
00:48:54.800 --> 00:48:59.320
they used to cut actual tape, right, splicing was it

901
00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:00.920
was a big part of what you were doing. And

902
00:49:02.239 --> 00:49:05.519
it was so archaic looking back. I mean, I was

903
00:49:05.519 --> 00:49:09.719
brought up in the era of portable typewriters and things

904
00:49:09.719 --> 00:49:12.960
of that nature, and of course remember white out and

905
00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:16.119
tipics and all of those sorts of things. And it's

906
00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:19.320
fascinating to look back and how technology really has changed.

907
00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:22.280
Because I mean, Greg, you who you like your music,

908
00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:25.719
and Sandy as well. You remember cassette tape and even

909
00:49:26.719 --> 00:49:29.760
and even on records they weren't they weren't all forty

910
00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:32.880
fives and what was there were different There was forty.

911
00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:35.480
Five, third, forty five and seventy eighths.

912
00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:38.000
Yeah, in the seventy I mean, it's all of this stuff.

913
00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:42.559
Like if you speak to our kids, they wouldn't they

914
00:49:42.559 --> 00:49:43.800
wouldn't know what you're talking about.

915
00:49:44.360 --> 00:49:48.639
It's final, that's back this way.

916
00:49:49.079 --> 00:49:51.719
I go into JB HI find there and the CD

917
00:49:51.800 --> 00:49:54.519
section which used to sack up probably a lot of space,

918
00:49:54.559 --> 00:49:57.280
has now been compacted and the vinyl section is spread

919
00:49:57.400 --> 00:49:59.559
like someone turned the lights off and it's multiplying.

920
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:03.159
Yes, which I'm very pleased about. There's any expecsive must

921
00:50:03.159 --> 00:50:04.360
have an expensive.

922
00:50:03.920 --> 00:50:07.079
Now to tend the lights off. Following on is this

923
00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:11.360
is this AI? The AI of sex on records? Is

924
00:50:11.400 --> 00:50:14.159
that we're business, Greg right, it's pretty little.

925
00:50:14.199 --> 00:50:18.480
The little hard Live goes into the do it please please?

926
00:50:18.599 --> 00:50:20.800
We're going to put it. You know we're going to

927
00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:23.039
be taken off here in a moment. Good golly man.

928
00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:27.679
Okay, so I've totally lost it it.

929
00:50:27.800 --> 00:50:30.480
So where were we? Who was talking?

930
00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:34.000
Coment about September five? Because I really liked it.

931
00:50:34.079 --> 00:50:37.440
I remember living through it and watching it that broadcast

932
00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:38.159
go on air.

933
00:50:38.840 --> 00:50:39.960
Apparently over a.

934
00:50:39.920 --> 00:50:43.719
Billion people watch that happen. I love the way that

935
00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:48.280
the sports guys handled the whole thing. My only my

936
00:50:48.400 --> 00:50:54.079
only thing about movie was that it was slightly too technical.

937
00:50:54.440 --> 00:50:57.559
We didn't get any of the emotionality of the of

938
00:50:57.639 --> 00:50:59.000
the athletes at all.

939
00:50:59.079 --> 00:51:01.039
We didn't get to know any of the people.

940
00:51:01.079 --> 00:51:04.679
It was all from the perspective of the technology and

941
00:51:04.760 --> 00:51:07.159
the team that were handling it, which was obviously the

942
00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:08.239
way it was designed.

943
00:51:08.440 --> 00:51:10.840
I just would have liked to have a little bit more.

944
00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:15.280
Connection, personal connection to the victims of that and the

945
00:51:15.320 --> 00:51:16.440
perpetrators as well.

946
00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:19.440
Perhaps I think other films have done that, though, Sandy,

947
00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:23.239
this one sets itself apart by dealing from this point

948
00:51:23.239 --> 00:51:25.760
of view exclusively but better.

949
00:51:26.079 --> 00:51:29.199
There was also there was also a reference to the

950
00:51:29.599 --> 00:51:33.000
you know, the Israeli who was an American that there

951
00:51:33.039 --> 00:51:33.960
could have been more of that.

952
00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:39.920
But do you remember him, Sandy, No, no, oh, the yeah, yeah,

953
00:51:39.960 --> 00:51:42.360
the no, the guy who it was one of those

954
00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:42.840
who died.

955
00:51:42.880 --> 00:51:45.039
But that there was there was a reference to him,

956
00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:47.360
and in fact they played an interview with him, which

957
00:51:47.360 --> 00:51:49.719
I think was the real footage.

958
00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:52.239
That wasn't the gist of this, of this fire this

959
00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:54.320
general I get that, I get that, but it was

960
00:51:54.480 --> 00:51:58.039
very I wondered how people who I mean, we we

961
00:51:58.119 --> 00:51:59.840
got a lot out of it because we've been in

962
00:51:59.840 --> 00:52:01.159
the industry and.

963
00:52:01.039 --> 00:52:04.639
Because to see all those technology changes that have happened

964
00:52:04.920 --> 00:52:08.760
to recall, you know, that time back in the seventies

965
00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:11.760
when we were working with all that technology. I wonder

966
00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:13.960
how the average punter will relate to it when they

967
00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:17.079
couldn't give a hurt about the technology or the fact

968
00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:19.719
that it was sports as opposed to news handling it

969
00:52:19.880 --> 00:52:21.960
because it wouldn't mean a lot to them. It meant

970
00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:24.880
I mean, we understand that a whole lot better, having

971
00:52:25.239 --> 00:52:28.719
having lived through those times and having undergone your roles

972
00:52:28.760 --> 00:52:29.880
within that industry.

973
00:52:31.599 --> 00:52:33.840
This is silly, but this is an adjunct.

974
00:52:34.119 --> 00:52:37.480
I remember when you had cassette recorders in cars, and

975
00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:40.639
what cassette recorders as well, and when the blasted thing

976
00:52:40.679 --> 00:52:42.960
didn't work and you had to use a pencil to

977
00:52:43.639 --> 00:52:46.599
spoil it back, and oh my golly. You know, it

978
00:52:46.679 --> 00:52:48.960
just feels clunky to even talk about it. So let's

979
00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:51.199
get some scores. Greg, you liked September five?

980
00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:54.880
Well, yeah, haven't even asked my opinion office. We're wunny.

981
00:52:56.360 --> 00:52:59.679
He's on a roll. Where's he's consistent with forgetting?

982
00:53:01.360 --> 00:53:04.199
We're running very short of time. Give us your thoughts please.

983
00:53:04.519 --> 00:53:04.719
Yeah.

984
00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:08.639
Look, this was very claustrophobic film.

985
00:53:08.880 --> 00:53:11.559
It was mostly a short place within that control room

986
00:53:11.599 --> 00:53:16.039
there whether yeah, people were watching events, working out what

987
00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:17.480
to show what not, the show.

988
00:53:17.719 --> 00:53:20.079
Planning how they could get around it and what they

989
00:53:20.079 --> 00:53:20.480
could do.

990
00:53:21.320 --> 00:53:24.000
But I like the astral technology and how they had

991
00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:26.480
to adapt and change things as well as they moved

992
00:53:26.480 --> 00:53:26.960
on there.

993
00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:29.400
But I like what I think we're saying.

994
00:53:29.400 --> 00:53:31.920
You said about the not knowing the carriages and everything

995
00:53:32.800 --> 00:53:35.199
of the you know, the athletes, Now that didn't matter

996
00:53:35.320 --> 00:53:38.760
who You've got the insights of to the the actual

997
00:53:38.800 --> 00:53:41.199
broadcast American team there and what they were going through

998
00:53:41.320 --> 00:53:43.480
and what they were thinking and how they were responding

999
00:53:43.519 --> 00:53:45.559
to the events there, which I thought bought it in

1000
00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:49.639
an immediacyitue. And I liked the way that they incorporated

1001
00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:52.679
that archive wal forties as onto the TVs there, so

1002
00:53:53.119 --> 00:53:56.400
they gave it almost a documentally feel and immediacy that

1003
00:53:56.440 --> 00:53:59.280
you're almost there watching events unfold.

1004
00:53:59.079 --> 00:54:01.000
Yeah, which is really impot See. I'm going to ask

1005
00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:03.840
you something. This is because today has been really bizarre.

1006
00:54:04.559 --> 00:54:07.079
If you look at we're recording this as we're going

1007
00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:09.239
as well, can you just look at your time piece

1008
00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:12.079
and tell me where we're up to because I'm going

1009
00:54:12.119 --> 00:54:14.159
to have to stop it at some point and I think.

1010
00:54:14.039 --> 00:54:16.679
I've got over gone overboard? What does it say?

1011
00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:21.920
Hello, I haven't been recording it.

1012
00:54:21.119 --> 00:54:26.639
Fifty six minutes. Fifty six minutes that started ten.

1013
00:54:26.239 --> 00:54:29.320
I've got fifty four on my screen. Oh do you

1014
00:54:29.360 --> 00:54:32.599
not me? Some restrons? Well, so by you? Yeah, lovely.

1015
00:54:32.719 --> 00:54:37.440
Well, we're technically prolific and efficient. I want scores and

1016
00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:41.159
then we're out of here. So Peter score for September five,

1017
00:54:41.480 --> 00:54:42.760
rated M ninety five minutes.

1018
00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:46.559
Yes, it has an Oscar nomination for Original Screenplay. I

1019
00:54:46.679 --> 00:54:48.119
give it nine out of ten.

1020
00:54:48.400 --> 00:54:51.880
It needed more eight and a half for me, Sandy.

1021
00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:53.000
Yeah, I'll give it an eight.

1022
00:54:53.119 --> 00:54:55.480
And I thought that the ninety however minutes you said,

1023
00:54:55.559 --> 00:54:57.400
was a perfect length, none of this two and a.

1024
00:54:57.400 --> 00:54:59.000
Half or three hour rubbish.

1025
00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:05.760
Yep, very good, right, Greg, I remembered you and what's

1026
00:55:05.800 --> 00:55:06.840
your name? Jacqueline?

1027
00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:09.559
Yes, sorry to be the on the low ball here.

1028
00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:11.599
I really did enjoy it. But I gave it seven

1029
00:55:11.639 --> 00:55:12.639
point five out of ten.

1030
00:55:13.239 --> 00:55:16.760
Oh well, look it's a solid, solid seven point five.

1031
00:55:16.840 --> 00:55:21.880
Solid seven seven seven eight.

1032
00:55:22.119 --> 00:55:24.400
Thank you, folks. It's been a lot of fun.

1033
00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:28.920
Sandy k Jackie Hammerton, Peter Kraus, the Grinch, and Greg

1034
00:55:29.000 --> 00:55:32.639
King keep on grinching. Peter, Well, speak to you very

1035
00:55:32.679 --> 00:55:36.519
soon on a non invisible man. Oh I did say

1036
00:55:36.559 --> 00:55:40.000
Hello Greg, Yes, you are the invisible man today we

1037
00:55:40.039 --> 00:55:42.880
will well, we'll have more of this nonsense very soon.

1038
00:55:42.960 --> 00:55:44.239
First on film and entertainment.

1039
00:55:44.360 --> 00:55:48.119
Signing off and watch a lot of cinema because we

1040
00:55:48.320 --> 00:55:49.400
love talking about it.

1041
00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:50.480
Catch you next time.