Feb. 12, 2025

Sasquatch Experience Classics: "Washingtonian" Mike F. (5/4/2008)

Sasquatch Experience Classics: "Washingtonian" Mike F. (5/4/2008)

Henry May and James Baker, joined by John Cartwright and Live Callers, talk with "Washingtonian" Mike F. Archived from 5/4/2028. 

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Henry May and James Baker, joined by John Cartwright and Live Callers, talk with "Washingtonian" Mike F. Archived from 5/4/2028.

NOTE: Audio quality has been adjusted for the best sound, though inconsistent, and some participants' voices are poor. Be mindful when listening, and speaker adjustment may be needed.

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And good evening, ladies and gentlemen. This is Henry maysoning

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in for Melissa Hovey. Uh, Melissa's into the weather tonight,

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so she ne's a little bit of She's gonna need

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our prayers and our well wishes and we want to

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send all our prayers well wishes out to her. But well,

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this is strange. James, you're on the board twice. All right, Yeah,

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we got James Baker with us tonight. James, how are you?

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I'm doing all right? How are you doing, Henry good?

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I'm just fine. And we're looking forward to the bake

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shop this week. We missed it last week. We got

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a call from seven to five to seven. That's probably

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John Cartwright. John, Hey, bet you John yet that's me okay,

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all right, Well we're gonna we're gonna have free co

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hosts tonight. We got John Cartwright with us tonight.

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Uh.

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This should be a good show. And our guest is

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again for those of you who might have missed it

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the first missed him the first time he was on

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WASHINGTONI and is back with us tonight. Washington or Mike,

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how are you?

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I'm doing good?

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Good, good good? Okay, Now that We've gotten a little

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intros out of the way. This is a Sasquatch experience

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for Sunday, May fourth, two thousand and eight, and folks,

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we're gonna launch run into the bake shop for tonight.

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I know James has got some things he wants to cover,

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so James take it away, sure, Henry. Is the big

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thing that.

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I've gotten lately is is, you know a lot of

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people are into asking a question of how to lure

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a sasquatch to their area, or how to lure a

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local sasquatch to the area that they want to research.

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So what I thought of was is what I call

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a sasquatch garden. Find an area you've had some sightings,

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make sure you've got permission to plant and study the area.

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Make it an accessible area to you and anybody else

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researching it. You know, make it a map of what

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you're doing is always a good idea. But what you

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do is you buy seeds from your local store. You

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know that's either a perennial or a receding plant. Make

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sure they're tolerant to where you live. Doun't buy pineapples

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and pennsylvania you know, sea packets at the most dollar

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stores or Mega marks or usually ten cents apiece you

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can buy. You know, you can buy a wide variety

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for as little as ten dollars a few weeks before

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you're gonna do this. Once you've picked your area and

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you know this is where you're gonna do, prepare the

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soil a little bit. Use maybe some extra peat moss

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or burn meal, or some line or blood meal which

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you can get it lows, or you can use from

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your own garden stock. You know. Now, like I said,

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the season, the seeds you choose from are important that

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they're tolerant to your area. But as far as let

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you buy use something with you know, use the little

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brains when you do it. Pick stuff that you know

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one is not going to be real tall or gonna

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be real noticeable by other people, because you don't want

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a lot of foot traffic going, oh wow, I found

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a lot of strong berries, and then there's like twenty

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people hanging out there constantly stealing the strawberries and the

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raspberries stuff like that. You know, you can plant strawberries

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and raspberries and blueberries, but try to put them in

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an area that it doesn't look so obvious from like

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the road. You know, I bought green onions, some squash,

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some lettuce, some spinach, radishes. I don't know what a

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cold robbie is, but they say it's a really nice

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white thing and it attracts deer, swiss, charred and common seeds.

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And with those, I just basically took a metal spike

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poking in the ground through a couple seeds and through

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some peat moss on top of it. The strawberries and

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the raspberries. Once you plants, they'll pop up every years themselves.

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The raspberry vines themselves will actually grow into the environment,

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same with the blueberries and the strawberries, and they'll spread

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like wildfire, you know, pick ground level plants. So the

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exact reason was is that that were then there weren't

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a lot of people that didn't know that they were

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there getting there. Okay, you don't need to make rows

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like a garden, you know, place them around an area

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with you know, any kind of haphazard because you want

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to give it kind of a natural field that it

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just grew there, because that may draw if it looks

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like we attempted to grow it made the creature has

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it seems to be the creature of semi smart things

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we do. And I think that if you make it

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look like you attempted to make them a garden, they're

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going to avoid it like the plague.

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You know.

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The only thing that I've I've done that I have

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all these printed on my blog, which Henry has been

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nice enough to put how to get to my blog

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through my space, right Henry.

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Mm hmm, Okay, I'm moving with the link in the

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chat for everybody, It's www dot MySpace dot com, slash

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jeans NSB just just a letter be the letter be

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wil work wild.

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And the same work I will. Anybody wants to have

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a MySpace count, I'm willing to be your friend. And

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I write a lot of nice things in my blogs,

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and really, honestly, I love comments for the simple fact is,

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whether it's positive or negative, just make it constructive, because

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the fact is if you just say this sucks and

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gives me no reason, how do I fix it?

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You know?

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The only complaint I've gotten so far about my theory

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about making the garden is that deer and rabbits will

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probably steal my crop. But the whole point was to

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get animals to that area, and if sostquatch is truly

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an omnivore, which he'll eat pretty much. He's hungry, he

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sees that he eats it. What's the big deal with

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little extra meat running around? You know, you get more

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rabbits in that may draw him in more. I got

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this idea actually from another blog that's on my MySpace.

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The Game Commission and a Park Service has been doing

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this for deer for the last few years and it

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seems to be working rather well to bring more deer

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in and larger deer now. The only the only thing

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I do say is, and this is something that I

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really I talked to the Lissa a little bit about

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on one of our shows. Don't put it near your house.

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You know, self, Clutch is not a Harry and the

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Henderson tame creature you don't expect is gonna hang out

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with your family. You don't want to bring it to

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your house any closer than you want to. But if

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you are getting sightings near your home, then maybe you

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want to reroute it a couple of miles away, you know,

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to make it safer for your family.

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And there you got any comments, Well, no, we've got

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registered in our garden. And I'll tell you what you

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know this sounds like a darn good idea, James. I mean,

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I always love the tamps that you give on this thing.

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You know, it's great.

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I mean, I think the big thing is is we

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have to think outside the box. And who's the other

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co host? I'm sorry, mister.

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Your first name, he's gonna call back. Its her name

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is John?

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Cut him off?

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Didn't you happened?

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I think blogcot cut us off because it did the

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same thing to me. The other thing that I wanted

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to talk about was let's start boycotting that big Foot documentaries.

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I lost the commercial on television. I'm not gonna give

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you what channel, but it was an ad for a

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TV and it stated all the kinds of things that

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us researchers go, Wow, this is gonna be the most

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phenomenal thing on the planet. We have proof. At the

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end of the show, all it was was bad camera

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angled some scared check that was supposedly a serious research assistant,

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but she looked like nineteen And the only reason that

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she was in on there is because she could sell

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in the d cup are any wrote female listeners? But

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if you saw the show, that's exactly why she was there.

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Okay, I mean the man that was Spurvially.

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The expert trots out thousands of dollars equipment, all these maps.

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He's got infrared, he's got sonar, he's got sound detection,

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he's got heat sensors, gas detectors, and he's got like

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twelve different vehicles and capturing devices to get him. He

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goes out and has a night of night vision interest

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he bumps into him and the cameraman and the girl

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so she can freak out, you know. And then at

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the end of the night they come back and their

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their whole area is trash. Do they blame it on

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the creature? Well, my only big question was because a

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lot of all this equipment, why didn't they get videos

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whatever trash they're camp. I asked that question, and I

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actually sent it to these people, and I never got

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an answer. And I think I know what the answer

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is is because somebody they had, probably some associate while

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they're gone, trash their camps so they look more legitimate.

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I don't know about you, Henry, but I'm just so

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tired of these The truth is out there. We've found

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everything you need to know. You can stop hunting because

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next week you're gonna see it. In the museum shows.

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I mean, do you see this a lot of times?

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I do see it, James, I really do. And it's unfortunate,

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but it's all But it's just something we gotta deal with.

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I guess, you know, honestly serious or semi serious researchers,

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Just how serious sometimes can we be? I mean we

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have to, we have to be serious in the work,

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but at some point we have to look at ourselves

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and what we're doing. But honestly, we need to police

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ourselves on quality. I mean, I make videos, and I

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admit they're on MySpace, but most of my videos are

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more of an informative you know, Hey, this is how

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we tried to make a footprint. I don't ever try

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to make Actually, as soon as I get some real

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time off me and for ker Lot in the Woods,

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and we're gonna make a bad size cart video and

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then we're gonna break it down for you to show

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you the difference between what do you know why? It's

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why when you watch these shows you should be disappointed.

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That's why I have.

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Okay, James, you have any.

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Please let me know.

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Always very helpful and if folks remember, you can contact

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James through his MySpace page www dot MySpace dot com

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slash James B. Wilde And we've gone a caller already

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from the eight six zero area code. I think I

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know who this is if I can bring them up. Okay,

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eight six zero, you're on the air with the Sasquatch Experience.

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James Baker, Henry May and Washingtonian also known as Mike.

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How y'all doing?

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Hey?

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Bill? Yeah, I'd like to ask a wash or my

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good question? What do you think about Freeman? The Paul

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Freeman footage on Washington Stay. Do you think got tack

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on it? Do you think it needs more research done

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to it? And also do I had rumors there was

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a baby big put in that film foot even though

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I've never seen the baby one. I was the adult

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one going across the.

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And Okay are you waiting for me to answer?

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Yes, there we are.

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Okay. I haven't drawn any conclusions on that one myself.

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I tend to think it's I lean more towards it

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being genuine. And yeah, what you're referring to. I know

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some people have said it looks like a mask that

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somebody is taking off, or a hat or some kind

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of headgear. But what most people are thinking, is it

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could be a baby sasquatch that was being carried on

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its neck.

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I do know. The people that I know that do

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photo analysis that I respect, they also lean towards the

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site of it being authentic. I'm I'm not conclusive on that,

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but but that's my opinion.

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Do you have you know the increase of a fast

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squat lad of activity or footprint activity when there after

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a big storm happened up in your.

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State after a big storm. Yeah, No, I haven't heard

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of it being increased after a big storm.

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Ah, I've heard of most wildlife. Usually wild life moved

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around more after or during a storm. And I figured

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people who I thought of you heard of come.

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Import Nope, I can't say that I have.

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Bill, Oh, I have a question that kind of brings

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up from Bill's questions. You had said that it looked

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to you like a baby sasquatch being held by its neck.

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Now the series of me and Forker have kind of

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put back and forth that it is an ape like creature.

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All right, It's known to grab their young by the neck.

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No, I mean it was it was writing its mother's neck.

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I don't know that it.

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Okay, I'm sorry. I misunderstood what you said. I thought

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you the way you said it the first time, I

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thought you meant that it had it by the head.

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Oh no, No, I mean.

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White clean out cats will grab their kittens by the

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neck and carry them to where they want to do.

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Yeah, I haven't heard of how the sasquatch carries its baby.

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To be honest with you, Okay, has it been sighting

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over by Mountain Helen or any other mountain range in

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Washington State recently or then? Pack of months?

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heard of. I try to keep an eye on the

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newspapers and what's going on around and nothing that I've

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seen lately.

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Oh well, all right, Well I called hi to everybody

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and hope you guys do Pinue to do a great show.

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And hope other people call him as well if they

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want to.

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You bet, thanks for calling Bill.

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Oh no problem.

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What what do you say? Well, I didn't.

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Something about other people can call that they want.

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No, he said something right at the right at the

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end there. What do you say, Oh, I didn't quite

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catch that.

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Yeah, I mean either it was kind of cutting, I know.

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I said I was happy to hear from him. So

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maybe you thought that was him.

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I don't know, Bill pos calling a little early on

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these shows, within the first twenty minutes or so.

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Oh well, alas good to hear from him now.

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Yeah, I know it is. By the way, John should

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be back with us. I hope John. Are you there?

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Yeah, come back quick?

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All right? And uh, before we get into the interview,

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I want to make an announcement I'm gonna make. I'm

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gonna continue to make this announcement. I'm gonna hold this

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thing out. It's the upcoming twentieth annual Ohio Bigfoot Conference

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and who are coming up on Saturday May seventeenth, two

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thousand and eight at Salt Fork State Park in cam Or,

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near Cambridge, Ohio. It's gonna it's gonna start at about

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four o'clock Eastern. It's gonna end at ten o'clock Eastern.

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The guests the speakers this year are M. K. David Doctor,

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Jeff Meldrum, Eric Altman, and all the way from Russia,

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Igor Bortsev. It's gonna start at four again. There's gonna

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be a meet in great Friday nights in one of

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the conference rooms at the Salt Fork Lodge. It will

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be eight o'clock eastern. So those of you who are going, hey,

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it's gonna be great. You know, it's gonna be a

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terrific too, almost a two day event. And then I

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believe the day after, which would be Sunday, there is

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going to be a guided tour of Salt Fork State Park.

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Dog's gonna take us, take us to different areas where

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sightings have occurred with Prince even found. So that's gonna

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be an exciting time for everybody who's gonna be there.

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And I'm going, yes, yes, yes, and I am going.

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And by the way, John's.

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Going to be my roommate there, Joy Joy.

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So well, anyway, I just wanted to mention that that's

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gonna be a great event. Don always he seems to

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always put on good conferences, Bob in the chat room.

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So we're gonna go on ahead, and we're gonna launch

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into this into this interview Washington Washingtonian. We want to

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welcome you back to the past watch experience.

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Oh, thank you, that's good to be back.

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Yep. And last time you were on, there was quite

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a bit of talk about the Patterson Gimmon movie. There

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was quite a bit of talk about Roger Patterson and

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your memories of him. You mentioned that you actually got

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to see the movie The Patterson Gimmon Film in his

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living room, which I thought a very interesting story, and

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you did touch on a little bit about Bob Heronymous. Now,

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the first question I'm going to ask you tonight is

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referring to the local legends of the of the Bigfoot

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in Yakima. There was a there's an author who's writing

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a biography on Roger Patterson's name was David Murphy, and

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he mentioned that reports go back quite a few ways,

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quite a ways. Reports of bigfoot signings go back long

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before Patterson and his family moved into the area, and

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as recently as I believe he said two thousand and four,

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two thousand and six, there were still reports going on

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which would seemed to negate greg Long's claim that Bigfoot

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only came along when Roger Patterson moved into town and

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left when Roger Patterson died. How do you react to that.

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Oh, well, I think you're right, it tends to negate

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that claim. I think the only reason there was more

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noticed or more attention brought to the sightings is because

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there was someone there looking and interested in the sightings.

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If you don't have someone there that's interested in them,

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then nobody's ever going to hear about them and willing

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to go out and question the people and talk to

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them see what exactly happened. Yeah, I'm aware also of

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the Yakama Indian people that I have known in the past.

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It's very commonly accepted among them that they are out there.

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Their understanding or their belief I guess I should say,

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is that they are to be left alone. I know

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of one person who went to the Mount Adams area

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on the Yakama County side to do some very picking,

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and while they were very picking, they get that very familiar,

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well familiar feeling that they're being watched. And their belief

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is that when they get that feeling, that that's who

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it is, that it is Sasquatch, and that's his way

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of letting it them know that they're in his territory,

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and their immediate response is to just pick up their

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things and go. That's their belief system, and that's been

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there for quite some time. And that didn't just show

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up when Roger showed.

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Up, right, And of course it didn't end when he died.

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You know, that's right, that's right. Now. The one thing

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I'm sorry, go ahead, John, Mike rather.

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Yeah, there have been continued sightings in the Yakama County area.

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Ones that I've heard of are farther out into the mountains.

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But UH, during the time that UH Roger was investigating sightings,

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they were on the edges of a lot of UH orchards.

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You were talking earlier about planting food, you know, Uh,

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they do come in to the orchards. They've been known

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to come into the orchards to get fruit when that

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fruit is in season, when it comes right. That's where

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a lot of the sightings of tracks have occurred have

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been in the in the orchards. M Well, that's a

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good idea growing something that would interest.

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Yep. Now, one thing, the one thing that I found

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interesting was UH Bob Gimlin And this was the last

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UH interview he gave on the radio program. It was

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on UH Bigfoot Central. UH. He mentioned a young man

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on the Yakama Indian Reservation that shot a big foot

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and he started having in the Native Americans believed I

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believed in the you know, like if you see wonder,

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if you shoot one, it's bad luck. And he said

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this young man has several calamities before him. He lost

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his job. He think I think he lost his job.

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Let's see first, No, it mustn't he lost his job.

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It's like first his truck broke. At first, he got

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in a wreck in his car. Then he fell down

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and broke his leg, and then his wife lift him,

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and then his wife left him, you know. And the

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naive Americans were saying, well, that's probably because you shot

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the big foot.

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Let me get straight, he shot a big foot in

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his life, became a country.

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Saw exactly James.

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Killing the white buffalo.

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Don't do that, man, There you.

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Go, my god.

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Well John has seen one.

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Yes he has.

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Yes, I've had plenty of bad luck.

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M hm.

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But anyway, I didn't know if you were familiar with

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that or not. Mike. I don't know if you were

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familiar with that story.

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No, I'm not. I remember hearing something about it, but

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I'm not real familiar with it.

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Mm hmmm.

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So Mike, is there a story that maybe you're familiar

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with it that you could give up? I don't think

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we have as much of a like questions and asked

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pre written down.

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Okay, well, I think the one that caught my interest.

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Uh.

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At the time that Roger was doing his investigations, was

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a fellow by the name of Ken. I believe it

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was Ken Petty Chong he. I think he was nineteen

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at the time, and he and three of his friends

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were out driving in the country when all of a sudden,

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in front of the road. In the road in front

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of them was a sasquatch blocking their way so they

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couldn't pass. He hit the brakes pretty hard, hard enough

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that it killed the engine, and the thing was coming around,

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carrying in the windows at them, and he was frantically

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trying to get his I think he flooded. It flooded

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his car trying to get it restarted, and everybody that

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was in the car saw it. It was a large

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creature covered in silvery white hair, and it was a

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drizzling rain at the time, and everyone in the car

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confirmed what he saw, and it was created quite a

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stir at that time.

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Yeah, that story was in Roger's book. Yeah, the bobble

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Snowmen of America really exist.

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Yep, Yeah, you're right.

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I was.

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Yeah, I was found that to be a fascinating story.

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Yeah, I think, uh, you know, it's one of those

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stories that makes you sit back and say, now, these

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people have no idea before their experience, uh what was

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being you know, thought about fast squatch or anything, and uh,

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all of a sudden they're confronted face to face with one,

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you know, and what do they do? And I remember

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there was a a fair amount of ridicule sent their

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way because if they were locals, you know, in the area.

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And of course I know Roger suffered also quite a

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bit of ridicule, but he had a way of of

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letting it roll off his back, you know, like the

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water off a duct's back, and continued on and uh

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he it was his interest in you know, recording these things.

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Uh that we wouldn't know some of these stories if

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he hadn't. And that's true of a lot of researchers,

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I believe. I've heard that accusation of other researchers is

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that you know, there were no sasquatch in the area

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until this researchers showed up. Well, I think that there

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were and there are is just take someone willing to

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listen to people's stories and give them the credit that

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they deserve.

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And I think that is the key because the fact

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that in the two years or almost be. Yeah, in

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the two years that I've been working with Henry and Sean,

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we take a lot of flack just for the fact

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is that when you mentioned bigfoot or sasquatch in a room,

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people turn and look at you a little strange. And

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I think the fact is what they forget about is

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the fact is that we're doing research to find out

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yes or no, you know, and we don't need the

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extra flack. And I don't think that. I don't from

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what I've learned from from Henry and what I've learned

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from Sean or I've learned from Melissa is if there's

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nothing out there, then there's something out there making us

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think this. So there has to be an answer. And

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and to just say there's nothing because oh well no,

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this research guy showed up. Well he showed up because

463
00:28:09.200 --> 00:28:12.240
everything that he saw, his map and everything else points

464
00:28:12.279 --> 00:28:15.200
to your little town might be a hotspot. I mean

465
00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:18.160
the same with ghost hunters. Say you know, the house

466
00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:21.559
on whatever street is haunted, and then then some weird

467
00:28:21.599 --> 00:28:25.480
things happen after the ghost hunters arrive. Well they did

468
00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:28.880
was notice the fact, the same thing you did, except

469
00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:31.000
they got people talking, you know.

470
00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:36.319
Yep, examply that's that's what it takes. Sometimes. I think

471
00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:39.839
give people an opportunity where they're not going to be

472
00:28:39.920 --> 00:28:47.680
read and not be a little and more truth will

473
00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:48.079
come out.

474
00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:55.720
I think yep, okay. I wanted to draw out the

475
00:28:55.759 --> 00:28:58.160
phone number. The phone number tonight if you guys want

476
00:28:58.240 --> 00:29:01.200
to call in like Bill Green did earlier. Number is

477
00:29:01.240 --> 00:29:04.279
three four seven nine ninety six, five eight one four

478
00:29:05.119 --> 00:29:07.880
three four seven nine ninety six, five eight one four.

479
00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:11.359
And we've got several great folks in our chat room tonight.

480
00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:14.599
I believe I'm gonna go ahead and do our shout

481
00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:17.440
outs for tonight. We have in our chat room guests

482
00:29:17.559 --> 00:29:19.559
one four eight one. And by the way, I want

483
00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:22.759
to remind all our guests that you can register for

484
00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:26.359
a free account at blog talk radio dot com. Doctor

485
00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:28.960
wadec is just joined us. In the chat room. We

486
00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:32.000
have guests one four seven four. We have Scott B

487
00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:35.480
f R P Kentucky. We have E O B I

488
00:29:35.559 --> 00:29:38.319
see that's Don Keening. We have P d Wistro also

489
00:29:38.359 --> 00:29:41.519
known as p dub. Good to see you. Pete Bob

490
00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:44.720
coin kick ass Bob coin in our chat tonight. We

491
00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:48.240
got leed him. That's Dustin. Congrats on the new member

492
00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:51.680
of your family upcoming. We have guests one four oh

493
00:29:51.759 --> 00:29:56.000
five guests one four zero zero. We have Reverend Strone,

494
00:29:56.079 --> 00:29:59.960
our good friend and a great artist provided some great art,

495
00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:04.480
worked for some folks recently, including Melissa Hovey. We have

496
00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:09.680
guests one three eight three. We have Great Pumpkin. We

497
00:30:09.799 --> 00:30:14.680
have let me see here. We have our own den mother,

498
00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:18.839
Karen Oh. Always good to see her. John Cartwright, he

499
00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:22.240
was on with us tonight. We have sass Foot. We

500
00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:26.720
have the incomparable Bill Green. We have Derek. We have

501
00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:30.920
guests one three four zero. We have Shaboom too. It's

502
00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:34.160
always good to see her. We have Green Eyes. That's

503
00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:37.759
our good friend Linda. We have Washingtonian. That's our guest tonight.

504
00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:41.519
We have Old Bud, Steve Summer. We have guests one

505
00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:46.240
three two nine. We have Tom s u uh oh.

506
00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:50.680
We have Tape Master. We have a fy like creature.

507
00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:54.839
That's our good friend Rich McClure. We have fau b Daddy.

508
00:30:55.480 --> 00:30:59.680
We have Gangliam. That's Kevin. We have Old Crow that's Patty.

509
00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:02.920
We have thunder Hawk. That's Darren Richardson, who has his

510
00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:05.920
own program on balk Talk Radio, The Bigfoot Mystery, which

511
00:31:05.960 --> 00:31:11.680
airs at seven eastern on Sunday afternoons. We have Long Island, Yunie,

512
00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:14.559
that's a good friend, me and Mike Killing. We have

513
00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:17.759
Jennis Carter, and of course we have the Sasquatch experience

514
00:31:17.759 --> 00:31:22.559
that would be yours truly, Henry May. So that is

515
00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:25.440
our roll call for today, and I want to make

516
00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:30.119
an announcement before we move on any further. Today is

517
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:33.960
the one and only Billy Willard's birthday, the co host

518
00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:37.680
of the Spush Detective Radio and head of Sasquatch Watch

519
00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:40.400
of Virginia. So have birthday, Billy, Hope it's a good

520
00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:41.359
one for you, my friend.

521
00:31:43.680 --> 00:31:44.680
Don't drink too many.

522
00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:49.759
There you go. I did say doctor Wade, c doctor Wade,

523
00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:53.680
but you must not have heard it. And we now

524
00:31:53.720 --> 00:31:58.480
have Rosie in the chatroom. Hello Rosie. Anyway, that's our

525
00:31:58.519 --> 00:32:03.000
shoutouts for this week. John or James, do you have

526
00:32:03.039 --> 00:32:05.400
any comments questions for Mike?

527
00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:15.720
Go ahead, go ahead, go first, Now you go ahead.

528
00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:18.640
I was actually gonna ask you if you had a

529
00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:22.720
question for him, but yeah, I'll go ahead.

530
00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:26.079
Let me think one.

531
00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:27.920
That I don't think that we do a lot of

532
00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:34.039
here is what what brought you in? What besides if

533
00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:36.640
it wouldn't have been that you would have met. If

534
00:32:36.680 --> 00:32:39.079
you wouldn't have met Patterson, Do you think you'd still

535
00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:40.480
be in the same field.

536
00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:48.319
Boy, I don't. I don't think so. I don't think

537
00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:50.839
I would have been brought into it had I not

538
00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:52.279
met Rogers.

539
00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:55.559
The reason I asked the question is because, in this

540
00:32:55.599 --> 00:32:58.240
particular situation, you met one of the you know, one

541
00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:01.200
of the the pinnacle people for this.

542
00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:03.519
Research.

543
00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:07.400
Whether we deny or whether we say it to hoax

544
00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:10.279
or it isn't or whichever one. And I'm not pointing

545
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:13.880
either way. His name pops up on every pretty much

546
00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:18.279
sixty percent of all bigfoot conversations. So I just wanted

547
00:33:18.279 --> 00:33:20.400
to know. Is the reason I asked the question is

548
00:33:20.680 --> 00:33:23.599
because was it big in your area before he really

549
00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:27.319
you said that it was somewhat, But where there did

550
00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:29.559
he kind of start the groups and stuff like that?

551
00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:32.920
And then that's you know, that's why you stayed involved

552
00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:35.200
or was it because you just what you saw sound

553
00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:38.400
founded you so much that you get involved.

554
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:44.039
It was, Yeah, that makes sense that it was more

555
00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:54.079
Rogers way of going about it. He did more. He

556
00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:57.599
was kind of an independent guy, more of an independent

557
00:33:57.680 --> 00:34:01.400
research group. I don't believe that it was until he

558
00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:05.839
published his book that he really tried to form an organization.

559
00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:11.320
And uh, he pretty much went out took people that

560
00:34:11.400 --> 00:34:13.920
he knew and trusted with him when he would do

561
00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:19.880
the interviews. Uh. And it was his admission that one

562
00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:23.760
thing that that startled me was that, uh, he started

563
00:34:24.519 --> 00:34:29.320
as a skeptic himself. Of course, keeping the idea that

564
00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:34.719
skepticism means that you're searching, you're not just uh, showing

565
00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:41.239
everything out when somebody says something. You know, he understood

566
00:34:41.599 --> 00:34:46.320
that the the idea of skepticism basically means that the

567
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:53.280
the the evidence eventually needs to stand up to criticism. Uh.

568
00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:57.599
But that's how he started investigating, was that he doubted

569
00:34:57.599 --> 00:35:01.880
that they were out there, but the more he investigated,

570
00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:05.679
the more convinced he became that there is indeed something

571
00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:10.440
very real out there. So that I thought I was

572
00:35:11.199 --> 00:35:19.079
very honest of him to admit that and was an

573
00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:23.000
indicator to me at that time that you know, he

574
00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:26.559
wasn't trying to hoax anybody, He wasn't pulling any jokes.

575
00:35:26.920 --> 00:35:28.320
He was seriously looking.

576
00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:32.079
Then.

577
00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:38.960
Wow, and that's what I think, Henry, I'm sorry, James,

578
00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:40.599
go ahead, Well.

579
00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:43.440
I all finish my thought and then you go ahead ahead, Henry. Well,

580
00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:46.559
I that's one thing that I think is really important

581
00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:48.599
is when we start this research, we have to have

582
00:35:48.639 --> 00:35:52.559
an open mind, you know. And I'm I'm so glad

583
00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:55.280
to hear that one of the forefront you know, forefathers

584
00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:58.280
basically had the research, had an open mind when he

585
00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:01.840
first stepped into it, and actually more an anti than

586
00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:08.199
that four. So that's just kind of relevant, you know,

587
00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:12.079
like a revelation there, Henry, you had a question.

588
00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:16.320
Well, I just wanted to I just wanted to ask.

589
00:36:18.440 --> 00:36:24.440
I wanted to ask Mike. Now, there was there was

590
00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:28.840
some rumors, you know, but there there it was. It

591
00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:33.599
was going around that But Rogers book did not sail

592
00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:35.639
very well when it first came out, but it really

593
00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:41.960
started sailing a lot better after the film was taken. Now,

594
00:36:42.559 --> 00:36:45.480
was it sold nationwide at that time or was it

595
00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:49.719
just sold regionally, like around Yakima around Washington State.

596
00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:55.440
Well, as far as I know, it was sold locally

597
00:36:55.840 --> 00:37:01.559
around Yakama, around Washington. I don't know had some outlets

598
00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:07.519
for it. In fact, I remember going to the store

599
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:11.840
where that was carrying his book. Uh, and he did

600
00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:18.679
an autographing session at that store in Yakima. Unfortunately I

601
00:37:18.719 --> 00:37:22.159
did not get one of those, but I do have

602
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:27.199
a copy of his book. I don't remember that it

603
00:37:27.320 --> 00:37:30.320
was how he marketed in.

604
00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:32.519
M M.

605
00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:39.639
And I don't remember that his book sales increased after

606
00:37:41.679 --> 00:37:48.280
his film. I don't recall that happening, but you know

607
00:37:48.400 --> 00:37:51.400
that it could have been, but I don't. Uh uh.

608
00:37:51.760 --> 00:37:55.480
I think the insinuation there oftentimes is that he again

609
00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:59.840
faked the film to sell books. Well, I don't. I

610
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:02.519
honestly don't think so. I don't believe that.

611
00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:08.159
Yeah, right now, now we're gonna get into this, and

612
00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:10.519
I know there's some in the chat room we probably

613
00:38:10.519 --> 00:38:12.719
don't want to hear about this, but we're gonna get

614
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:17.920
into Bob Hoeronymous and uh, let's say that. What I

615
00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:22.400
want to ask is, and we may have talked about

616
00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:27.519
this last time, is it quote unquote well known around

617
00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:31.280
U Yakima that he was the guy in the suit?

618
00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:34.400
And does he have one hundred people backing his story up?

619
00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:36.920
And not hardly anybody backing up Bob Gimlin.

620
00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:43.760
Uh No, I don't believe soul Uh. I never heard

621
00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:49.519
Bob Ranimus his name mentioned until this last What I

622
00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:52.320
long ago to the greg longest book come out. That

623
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:58.079
was the first time I heard of Bob Hoeronymous. I

624
00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:03.519
was not knowing anything about uh mister Hieronymous and till

625
00:39:03.599 --> 00:39:09.159
that book. So I don't believe that. Uh the only

626
00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:15.360
reason that there's uh fewer people if it's true backing

627
00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:20.800
Bob Gimling. Uh Bob lived through it and he and

628
00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:24.840
Roger were the only ones there to see it. You know, Uh,

629
00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:29.039
what can you say to someone who you know was

630
00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:35.000
the only one of two people left to see the creature? Uh,

631
00:39:38.039 --> 00:39:45.199
mister Hieronymous's uh story is we all know changes so much,

632
00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:48.760
and I really don't know what his motivation is for

633
00:39:48.880 --> 00:39:53.559
doing what he's done, but uh it's I think it's

634
00:39:53.599 --> 00:39:55.679
a sad, a sad thing.

635
00:39:56.360 --> 00:40:00.840
What he's well, you know, you you are aware that

636
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:03.119
he and Gimlin lived not very far from each other,

637
00:40:03.159 --> 00:40:07.320
only about a football field away from each other.

638
00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:12.320
Oh yeah, and they were friends in the past. You know,

639
00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:16.719
their relationship has suffered over this. But you know, I

640
00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:22.039
gotta respect Bob Gimlin because he absolutely refuses to say

641
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:28.119
anything bad about Bob Heronymous. Now, if you sit down

642
00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:34.400
and talk to mister Heronymous, it's not like that. So

643
00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:40.480
I tend to. You know, just like a lot of

644
00:40:40.519 --> 00:40:43.719
things that have been going on in the bigfoot research

645
00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:49.519
field all along, is it's real easy to find people

646
00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:56.360
to come out and criticize and be negative and put down.

647
00:40:57.239 --> 00:40:59.480
That's real easy to come across. You don't very often

648
00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:03.760
come across a person who's been attacked by someone and

649
00:41:04.239 --> 00:41:06.559
will say, you know, that guy's been a friend of

650
00:41:06.559 --> 00:41:08.360
mine for a long time, and I'm not gonna say

651
00:41:08.360 --> 00:41:11.840
anything bad about him. You know.

652
00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:16.840
Yeah, that's how That's how Gimlin. Gimblin kind of feels

653
00:41:16.840 --> 00:41:19.679
that way about Hieronymous. You know, he kind of he

654
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:21.639
kind of you know, he says he doesn't really want

655
00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:24.760
to say much bad about Hieronymous, but you know he

656
00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:27.760
knows he knows Hieronymous as a b sir. And you'd

657
00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:30.559
ask David Murphy about that. David Murphy talked to several

658
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:33.800
people in Yakima when he went up there to do

659
00:41:33.880 --> 00:41:37.480
research for his book, and he even talked to some

660
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:41.079
of Hieronymous's friends and they said, yeah, well, yeah, Bob's

661
00:41:41.079 --> 00:41:43.079
a nice guy, but yeah he's a bser.

662
00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:49.239
H Yeah, that's true. Uh, you know, he's a friendly guy.

663
00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:55.119
In fact, I know of another neighbor to my parents

664
00:41:56.000 --> 00:42:00.480
where they were living in Yakima, who felt down in

665
00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:04.440
his yard, uh mowing his lawn and was not able

666
00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:06.800
to get up because of a physical problem that he had.

667
00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:10.360
And he's couldn't believe.

668
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:10.800
Uh.

669
00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:15.039
Cars were driving right by, and uh could see him

670
00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:19.000
laying in the yard, but nobody, nobody stopped. Well, finally

671
00:42:19.039 --> 00:42:24.519
somebody stopped and dog gun it was Bob Eronymous. He

672
00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:28.159
stopped to help him out and picked him up, and uh,

673
00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:31.840
you know, so you know there's good in all people.

674
00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:35.639
I think he's not totally evil. I think he's just

675
00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:40.239
got a mischievous side to him that uh hm, you know,

676
00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:43.320
he's he's craved this attention for some reason all of

677
00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:48.119
a sudden. I don't know. Uh. If he really felt

678
00:42:48.360 --> 00:42:51.519
that he was owed some money, I really think he

679
00:42:51.599 --> 00:42:54.880
probably would have started right after the film was taken,

680
00:42:57.039 --> 00:42:58.119
not forty years later.

681
00:42:58.480 --> 00:42:58.679
You know.

682
00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:05.199
Yep. Uh, we have a question from Don Keating. He's

683
00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:06.400
in our chat room tonight.

684
00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:06.679
Uh.

685
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:09.119
He asked, uh, if you know a fellow by the

686
00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:11.360
name of Tom in Northeast Ohio.

687
00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:15.559
M No, I can't say that I do.

688
00:43:16.159 --> 00:43:22.920
Tom fellow from Northeast Ohio. Now that's what he was saying.

689
00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:25.679
I I I'm not familiar with him either.

690
00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:30.440
No, not that I know of unless he.

691
00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:35.559
And Don says he can't mention the man's last name.

692
00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:41.880
So okay, yeah, okay, but no, folks, it is about

693
00:43:43.320 --> 00:43:44.480
I'm sorry.

694
00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:46.719
Oh, I was just curious. Did he come from Yakama?

695
00:43:46.719 --> 00:43:49.360
That would be the only way I know him.

696
00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:52.320
Uh, I don't know. He was the eastern distributor for

697
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:53.159
Roger's book.

698
00:43:55.159 --> 00:43:57.840
Okay, No, I don't. I don't know who that would be.

699
00:43:58.679 --> 00:44:04.199
Okay, all right, I hope answers your question. Don, Okay,

700
00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:08.360
it is about the halfway point. It is eight forty six.

701
00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:11.199
It's well, it's nine forty six in New York, it's

702
00:44:11.239 --> 00:44:14.159
eight twenty six in New Orleans, it's seven forty six

703
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in Boise, Idaho, and it is six forty six in LA.

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You're listening to the Sasquatch Experience right here on blog

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All right, welcome back, So something y'all had a chance

729
00:47:14.199 --> 00:47:17.599
to stretch your legs, use the restroom, get something out

730
00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:20.960
of a refrigerator, maybe get a drink of water. We

731
00:47:21.079 --> 00:47:25.679
are back and we have John with us, John Cartwright,

732
00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:28.159
and we've got James Baker and our guest is Mike,

733
00:47:28.239 --> 00:47:31.079
also known as Washingtonian. Welcome back, gentlemen.

734
00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:35.719
Thanks for that break.

735
00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:42.360
No problem. So before the break, we were talking a

736
00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:46.239
little bit about Bob Hoeronymous and how his story is

737
00:47:46.280 --> 00:47:52.559
not well known around Yakima. You know, apparently the apparently

738
00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:56.440
kal Korff believes that, you know, it's a well known

739
00:47:56.480 --> 00:47:59.599
story about around Yakima, and that even Gilman's former boss

740
00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:02.239
will not go against or believe it, knows it's a

741
00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:05.079
hoax and Gimlin will not go against him, and all

742
00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:07.639
this stuff. I I don't know how true this is,

743
00:48:08.119 --> 00:48:08.280
you know.

744
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:14.639
Yeah, well, I know basically that you know, Bob Gimlin

745
00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:20.159
has not uh changed his story, but he's not gotten

746
00:48:20.199 --> 00:48:22.320
down into the gutter with some of these people too,

747
00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:28.119
and right to me that that shows a lot more integrity,

748
00:48:29.239 --> 00:48:32.639
uh than if he were to try to fight to

749
00:48:33.519 --> 00:48:37.000
you know, how can he prove what he's seen? You

750
00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:42.679
know that he's taken the higher road definitely, and I

751
00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:50.480
think the more more uh honorable way to go. I

752
00:48:50.599 --> 00:48:55.199
just don't understand why if these people feel the need to,

753
00:48:55.639 --> 00:49:00.800
uh make these kind of accusations. You know, it's beyond me.

754
00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:08.159
Now as far as Roger goes, he did make quite

755
00:49:08.199 --> 00:49:10.280
a bit of money from the film, but he also

756
00:49:10.400 --> 00:49:15.159
spent it. Again. Now Greg Long claims, well that that

757
00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:17.599
that must mean you know, he was just out in

758
00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:20.639
it for the money, you know that he was only

759
00:49:20.679 --> 00:49:22.440
in it for the money. That he said that people

760
00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:27.159
described to him that there were trash cans full of money,

761
00:49:27.719 --> 00:49:30.760
you know. But the thing is, and you can ask again,

762
00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:35.159
you can refer to David Murphy on this. Patterson heard

763
00:49:35.199 --> 00:49:39.039
about a supposed dead bigfoot in a cave in Thailand,

764
00:49:39.519 --> 00:49:41.280
and he spent all the rest of his money. This

765
00:49:41.360 --> 00:49:43.920
was just a few months before he died. He spent

766
00:49:44.039 --> 00:49:48.000
all his money, yes, on research, Daniel, It all went

767
00:49:48.039 --> 00:49:53.559
back into research, should be, and shortly before he died,

768
00:49:53.639 --> 00:49:56.000
you know, he went to Thailand on a wild goose chase,

769
00:49:56.039 --> 00:49:59.000
actually a wild sasquatch chase because it turned out to

770
00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:03.679
be nothing turned out being nothing there. Now do you

771
00:50:03.719 --> 00:50:05.800
think that would be the actions of a hoaxer?

772
00:50:07.239 --> 00:50:13.719
Mike, No, he wouldn't go across all the way over

773
00:50:13.840 --> 00:50:18.920
to Thailand to do research if he felt he was

774
00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:23.559
making money sufficient enough off of his movie. That's just

775
00:50:23.639 --> 00:50:28.199
not consistent with what a hoaxer would do. In fact,

776
00:50:28.599 --> 00:50:33.000
my brother, my older brother, was invited to go on

777
00:50:33.039 --> 00:50:38.760
that trip and be a photographer for Roger because my

778
00:50:38.840 --> 00:50:45.760
brother was into photography at the time. He declined simply

779
00:50:45.880 --> 00:50:49.719
on the basis that if he did not go to college,

780
00:50:50.079 --> 00:50:52.320
then he was going to be eligible for the draft.

781
00:50:53.960 --> 00:50:58.360
He did not want to go into be eligible for

782
00:50:58.519 --> 00:51:04.119
the draft, so stayed. Yeah. Really was a sad, sad

783
00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:08.360
thing that that happened. Yeah, he would like to have gone,

784
00:51:09.320 --> 00:51:14.920
but right, he wanted to go to college.

785
00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:21.519
Yeah, yeah, Now. And also, I'll tell you something else

786
00:51:21.519 --> 00:51:24.599
that would not be consistent with the hoax, would be

787
00:51:25.239 --> 00:51:33.800
if what happened was shortly after the filming Patterson actually

788
00:51:33.840 --> 00:51:38.280
had he got in contact with John Green try and

789
00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:42.840
get tracking dogs down there to the to the to

790
00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:46.199
the film site into the area. That's not to me,

791
00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:48.639
that's not consistent with a hoax or either, because those

792
00:51:48.679 --> 00:51:52.519
dogs would sniff out a hoax right away, right right.

793
00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:56.880
And also taking the film to Hollywood. Some people have

794
00:51:57.039 --> 00:52:02.639
claimed that Roger's doing that was proof of a hoax. Well,

795
00:52:03.119 --> 00:52:06.039
when he took it to Hollywood. He took it to

796
00:52:06.159 --> 00:52:10.320
the people who were, you know, the best of the

797
00:52:10.360 --> 00:52:13.679
best of the time, and just had a simple question

798
00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:18.719
for them, can you duplicate this? He didn't go there

799
00:52:18.760 --> 00:52:22.920
trying to prove anything. He wanted to know. He was

800
00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:29.000
wanting to find out if they could duplicate that film

801
00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:34.400
strip that he had, and of course at the time,

802
00:52:36.320 --> 00:52:40.960
nobody said they could. There have been several people since

803
00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:43.480
then who have said they could, but they haven't done it.

804
00:52:43.559 --> 00:52:51.079
So it's all of the things. You can look at

805
00:52:51.159 --> 00:52:55.199
some of the things and call them inconsistencies when actually

806
00:52:55.679 --> 00:53:00.119
if you look at the real reasons, they would and

807
00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:05.079
to hold his story up rather than be an explanation

808
00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:05.760
of the hopes.

809
00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:11.400
Yes, I tend to agree with that. One more thing

810
00:53:11.440 --> 00:53:15.920
about Hieronymous, and then John Cartwright has a question for you. Well,

811
00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:17.480
it's not I don't know if it's really connected to

812
00:53:17.559 --> 00:53:21.639
Hieronymous so much. But Jeremy Lee Merritt tells of a

813
00:53:21.760 --> 00:53:25.719
story of one night I suppose that Bigfoot had come

814
00:53:25.760 --> 00:53:31.760
around his property and his dog went out there and well,

815
00:53:31.880 --> 00:53:36.960
it grabbed this quote unquote Bigfoot by its family jewels,

816
00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:44.800
and the individual was howling and screaming in terror and

817
00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:48.440
ran down the road after the dog. Let go to.

818
00:53:48.559 --> 00:53:52.000
Where that dog chased it down, chased.

819
00:53:51.800 --> 00:53:55.000
It down to the end of the road. Now there

820
00:53:55.159 --> 00:53:58.760
is a rumor that Hieronymous actually had a gorilla suit

821
00:53:58.800 --> 00:54:00.559
that may have been a white girl of a suit.

822
00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:08.679
Are you familiar with exactly are you familiar with that story.

823
00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:12.880
I'm familiar with the Jerry Merritt story. I was at

824
00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:17.480
Jerry Merritt's house also, and I saw that dog. That

825
00:54:17.599 --> 00:54:21.880
dog had. In fact, when we went to see the dog,

826
00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:30.599
it was cowered underneath like a bed in the basement

827
00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:35.360
where Jerry Merritt lived, and he had a difficult time

828
00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:38.920
getting it to come out from under the bed. And

829
00:54:39.559 --> 00:54:42.519
he wanted to show us the dog and the wound

830
00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:48.599
on the dog's neck where it looked pretty apparent like

831
00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:52.719
a finger punch, Like you if you were strong enough

832
00:54:53.400 --> 00:54:57.920
to grab an animal and squeeze hard enough to punch

833
00:54:57.960 --> 00:55:01.840
your finger through the skin. That's what it looked like,

834
00:55:01.960 --> 00:55:04.239
except a larger than a human finger.

835
00:55:05.079 --> 00:55:05.760
Oh my goodness.

836
00:55:05.840 --> 00:55:10.079
And uh yeah, that poor dog was just terrified after that.

837
00:55:11.280 --> 00:55:13.440
And there were there were several dogs, he had more

838
00:55:13.480 --> 00:55:16.039
than one dog, but that was the one dog did

839
00:55:17.159 --> 00:55:22.920
that did uh get brave enough to challenge the sasquatch?

840
00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:28.119
Hm hm, my gosh, I remember that pretty well.

841
00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:34.679
Mm yep. Okay, John has a question for you. I'm

842
00:55:34.719 --> 00:55:37.039
sure he's chomping at the bit, so I'm gonna give

843
00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:42.599
the floor over to him. Go ahead, John, I like, Hey, John.

844
00:55:43.400 --> 00:55:47.760
Uh, my question was really about the research that mister

845
00:55:47.800 --> 00:55:51.360
Patterson and your father did, and even yourself and your

846
00:55:51.400 --> 00:55:55.039
father did, if you had any interesting stories pertaining to that,

847
00:55:56.159 --> 00:55:58.000
even you know it's just you and your father, cause

848
00:55:58.039 --> 00:56:01.199
I know your father and yourself went out some researching yourself,

849
00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:04.960
and if you had any any interesting s uh stories.

850
00:56:04.639 --> 00:56:10.480
To tell about that, well, uh, yeah, there's s some

851
00:56:10.599 --> 00:56:13.400
thing's happened, cause we spent time in the Mount Saint

852
00:56:13.440 --> 00:56:20.559
Helens area and we found what we felt was a track,

853
00:56:20.840 --> 00:56:26.159
although it was not clear and distinct. It was more

854
00:56:26.719 --> 00:56:30.519
the way it was located on a hillside and the

855
00:56:30.519 --> 00:56:35.119
fact that there was no other animal tracks, no elk

856
00:56:35.239 --> 00:56:38.480
or deer track leading up to it or leading away

857
00:56:38.480 --> 00:56:44.920
from it. But I think the most interesting story when

858
00:56:44.960 --> 00:56:48.960
I was out with my dad is and this was

859
00:56:49.000 --> 00:56:53.920
in the Yakama County west of Yakima. We love to

860
00:56:53.960 --> 00:56:58.559
go camping out there, uh almost every summer for at

861
00:56:58.639 --> 00:57:03.280
least two weeks every summer, and UH one time when

862
00:57:03.280 --> 00:57:08.800
we were out hiking, we heard a whistle, so my

863
00:57:08.880 --> 00:57:15.000
dad stopped us, uh and he whistled back. Pretty soon

864
00:57:15.039 --> 00:57:19.559
we heard the whistle again, and so my dad whistled back.

865
00:57:19.639 --> 00:57:23.360
And this kept going back and forth, and my dad decided,

866
00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:26.599
let's move a little closer to where we hear this

867
00:57:26.639 --> 00:57:31.960
whistle coming from. So we just started moving closer. Each

868
00:57:32.039 --> 00:57:34.880
time he would whistle and it would whistle back, we

869
00:57:34.920 --> 00:57:38.920
would move a little closer. And I don't remember how

870
00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:41.480
much time we spent, but as you can imagine, we

871
00:57:41.480 --> 00:57:46.119
were getting pretty excited. You know. He was staying calm.

872
00:57:46.159 --> 00:57:48.280
I was kind of excited. What are we gonna run

873
00:57:48.320 --> 00:57:53.079
into if we keep going? And the odd thing was,

874
00:57:53.400 --> 00:57:59.360
we reached a point where the whistle was coming from

875
00:57:59.480 --> 00:58:05.119
behind us after we had moved to where we last

876
00:58:05.199 --> 00:58:10.480
heard it in that direction. So we moved back and

877
00:58:10.840 --> 00:58:14.039
didn't move back quite as far as we had moved forward,

878
00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:19.079
and we heard the whistle again, and it was right

879
00:58:19.119 --> 00:58:23.920
above our heads. And we look up and here in

880
00:58:23.960 --> 00:58:29.159
the crotch of a tree was another tree crotch that

881
00:58:29.239 --> 00:58:34.679
had broken off and fallen into the crotch of the tree.

882
00:58:34.760 --> 00:58:41.159
So you got like these two y shaped large branches

883
00:58:42.360 --> 00:58:47.079
that are together. And what was causing the whistle was

884
00:58:47.159 --> 00:58:49.639
every time the wind would blow, it would move a

885
00:58:49.679 --> 00:58:55.239
little bit and it would cause the branch to whistle. Now,

886
00:58:56.480 --> 00:58:59.519
I thought that was a good example of not losing

887
00:58:59.559 --> 00:59:02.559
your head checking out what it was you heard. It

888
00:59:02.559 --> 00:59:06.000
was a definite whistle, and it sounded just like any

889
00:59:06.119 --> 00:59:10.079
person whistling. My dad had a very distinct loud whistle

890
00:59:10.119 --> 00:59:13.320
and could whistle back, you know, And you check things

891
00:59:13.360 --> 00:59:16.360
out and you find out what the source is, and

892
00:59:16.400 --> 00:59:19.840
in that case, we found a natural cause.

893
00:59:19.880 --> 00:59:29.440
I guess you would call it exactly. That's a great story. Oh, okay,

894
00:59:29.480 --> 00:59:32.440
it is. It's after a little after ten o'clock Eastern,

895
00:59:32.519 --> 00:59:37.440
nine o'clock Central, and again you're listening to the Sasquatch experience.

896
00:59:38.760 --> 00:59:41.760
The phone number tonight is three four seven nine nine

897
00:59:41.840 --> 00:59:44.440
six five eight one four. If anybody else wants to

898
00:59:44.480 --> 00:59:47.960
call in and maybe share a story, maybe those those

899
00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:50.840
of you who knew Roger Patterson or knows somebody who

900
00:59:50.880 --> 00:59:54.119
knows somebody and things like that. So if you want

901
00:59:54.159 --> 01:00:01.079
to call in, uh, we'd be glad to hear from you. Okay,

902
01:00:01.440 --> 01:00:09.000
And one thing I wanted to touch on was referring

903
01:00:09.039 --> 01:00:20.840
to referring to Patterson. It was alleged, it was alleged

904
01:00:20.920 --> 01:00:26.880
that that he was that he was doing this film,

905
01:00:28.000 --> 01:00:30.960
he was doing this film to provide for his family

906
01:00:31.039 --> 01:00:33.960
after he died, you know. But the thing is I

907
01:00:34.039 --> 01:00:38.599
found out that he was not. See he was allegedly

908
01:00:39.519 --> 01:00:43.280
doing hoaxing as early as nineteen sixty one, according to

909
01:00:43.320 --> 01:00:49.719
Harvey Anderson, who was a who was a camera shop

910
01:00:49.719 --> 01:00:53.440
owner in Yakima, and he said, I'm going I'm doing

911
01:00:53.440 --> 01:00:59.159
this to provide for my family until you know, you know,

912
01:00:59.239 --> 01:01:02.239
after I'm gone, because I'm supposed to be dying. Follow

913
01:01:02.320 --> 01:01:04.199
me is that was nineteen sixty one. He was not

914
01:01:04.360 --> 01:01:10.079
diagnosed with Hodgkins disease till nineteen sixty five. So therefore,

915
01:01:10.440 --> 01:01:13.960
there is no way that he could have been providing

916
01:01:14.000 --> 01:01:17.400
for his family and hoaxing in nineteen sixty one. What

917
01:01:17.480 --> 01:01:19.000
are your thoughts on that, Mike.

918
01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:23.079
Yeah, I think I think again, you've kind of hit

919
01:01:23.079 --> 01:01:27.480
the nail on the head and say that I know

920
01:01:27.599 --> 01:01:31.559
that Roger saw some tough times. What a lot of

921
01:01:31.559 --> 01:01:36.599
people don't realize is that he was very well poor.

922
01:01:36.880 --> 01:01:39.159
You know, there's there's no other way to put it.

923
01:01:40.400 --> 01:01:44.840
There is money in it, hardon, There isn't a lot

924
01:01:44.840 --> 01:01:47.840
of money in sasquatch research. It's not like this Yang.

925
01:01:47.920 --> 01:01:53.679
There isn't it. And while I don't believe he was

926
01:01:53.760 --> 01:01:58.360
in it for the money, I think he may have hoped,

927
01:01:58.719 --> 01:02:02.360
like a lot of researchers, that if they are able

928
01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:08.559
to bring clear evidence forward, that there will be some

929
01:02:08.679 --> 01:02:12.360
kind of reward in it for them. I know that

930
01:02:12.400 --> 01:02:18.119
he was during the time that I knew him. You know,

931
01:02:18.199 --> 01:02:23.079
he was concerned for his family, but that was not

932
01:02:23.440 --> 01:02:29.400
the motivation for his research, because he poured more money

933
01:02:29.440 --> 01:02:34.480
into his research than he did in trying to find

934
01:02:34.559 --> 01:02:39.639
other ways to you know, find support for his family.

935
01:02:41.440 --> 01:02:41.840
Mm hmm.

936
01:02:42.880 --> 01:02:45.719
So both, oh go ahead, John and Mike.

937
01:02:46.320 --> 01:02:50.599
It would have been I think, you know, an how

938
01:02:50.639 --> 01:02:55.559
do you put that? Counterproductive? For him to to seriously

939
01:02:55.719 --> 01:02:59.719
think that he could make large amounts of money from this,

940
01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:04.599
And I do not remember anything about barrels of money

941
01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:13.039
after got his film. But you know, I think any

942
01:03:13.079 --> 01:03:16.039
serious researcher probably does hold a little bit of hope

943
01:03:16.079 --> 01:03:18.840
that you know, they will be taken seriously and that

944
01:03:19.039 --> 01:03:22.719
there'll be some kind of rewarding it for them should

945
01:03:22.719 --> 01:03:24.039
they find proof.

946
01:03:25.280 --> 01:03:29.159
Mm hmm, exactly, Folks, We've got a caller from the

947
01:03:29.239 --> 01:03:32.440
nine to one eight area code nine one eight. You

948
01:03:32.480 --> 01:03:35.159
are on the air with the Sasquatch Experience. Henry May,

949
01:03:35.599 --> 01:03:40.360
James Baker, John Cartwright and Washington and also known as Mike.

950
01:03:42.000 --> 01:03:47.280
Good Evening, Henry, Steve Summer. Hey Bob, how are you

951
01:03:47.320 --> 01:03:48.559
doing to not great show?

952
01:03:48.800 --> 01:03:49.320
Just fine?

953
01:03:50.320 --> 01:03:52.960
Mike's notice to have you back. Joyed your show several

954
01:03:53.039 --> 01:03:57.159
weeks ago, thought you did a wonderful job. We have.

955
01:03:58.199 --> 01:04:02.679
We had an discussion earlier dece evening about no kill

956
01:04:03.079 --> 01:04:07.840
in that aspect of Sasquadfrey, and I was just curious

957
01:04:08.119 --> 01:04:11.639
what the prevailing sentiments in your neck of the woods

958
01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:14.519
would be. What amongst folks is how they feel about

959
01:04:14.599 --> 01:04:18.159
whether he's whether we should be hunting these creatures or

960
01:04:18.199 --> 01:04:22.119
whether we should be respectful and protective of them. And

961
01:04:22.239 --> 01:04:24.320
I'll get off the air Hendry and lets you'll discuss that.

962
01:04:24.440 --> 01:04:27.239
But once again, thanks Mike for coming back, and you

963
01:04:27.239 --> 01:04:28.320
guys are doing a great job.

964
01:04:29.119 --> 01:04:33.960
Thanks for calling in. Bub got a problem?

965
01:04:34.039 --> 01:04:39.280
Yeah, thank you. I appreciate the call. Well, I fall

966
01:04:39.360 --> 01:04:43.239
in the same area as and probably very much because

967
01:04:43.280 --> 01:04:46.039
I was influenced by Roger of the no kill camp.

968
01:04:48.719 --> 01:04:53.519
There's always, you know, like everybody talks about the better

969
01:04:53.679 --> 01:04:56.320
possibility that it will be struck by a logging truck

970
01:04:56.360 --> 01:05:00.599
one day or something like that, and and that it

971
01:05:00.719 --> 01:05:05.880
probably will take a body to convince science. I hope not.

972
01:05:06.360 --> 01:05:11.280
I really hope that it could be discovered and revealed,

973
01:05:11.920 --> 01:05:16.719
just like the billy ape was through observation, where none

974
01:05:16.760 --> 01:05:19.199
of the billy apes were were killed in order to

975
01:05:19.280 --> 01:05:24.719
prove their existence. So that's my hope.

976
01:05:25.000 --> 01:05:31.960
Mm hmm. I'd have to completely agree with that. Now.

977
01:05:33.760 --> 01:05:38.400
One thing, that one thing that I always was interested

978
01:05:38.480 --> 01:05:40.880
in and didn't find out until a few years ago,

979
01:05:41.119 --> 01:05:43.880
was Roger was a bit of an inventor.

980
01:05:44.400 --> 01:05:44.920
He was.

981
01:05:45.159 --> 01:05:49.239
He was a He could have panted to quite a

982
01:05:49.320 --> 01:05:52.559
few of his inventions, you know, like the little clip

983
01:05:53.360 --> 01:05:58.239
on the bread, you know, and also the the hoop

984
01:05:58.960 --> 01:06:02.239
thing that he had, and also he had the idea

985
01:06:02.280 --> 01:06:04.119
for the clip for trees he got I think he

986
01:06:04.159 --> 01:06:06.920
got that from the clip for the bread, right. I

987
01:06:06.960 --> 01:06:09.199
think it was called the C clip or something like that.

988
01:06:10.159 --> 01:06:12.239
Yeah, I forget what he called it, but I saw

989
01:06:12.400 --> 01:06:16.880
his prototype. I guess you would call it. But you

990
01:06:16.960 --> 01:06:22.079
got to remember Roger would probably would have patented several

991
01:06:22.119 --> 01:06:25.440
of those inventions had he had the money to patent.

992
01:06:25.159 --> 01:06:27.280
Them, right exactly.

993
01:06:27.360 --> 01:06:29.800
You know, he did not have the money to patent them,

994
01:06:29.840 --> 01:06:33.440
but that didn't stop him from trying to come up

995
01:06:33.440 --> 01:06:36.639
with the ideas and find a way to sell them.

996
01:06:36.719 --> 01:06:40.159
That's how he was trying to find, you know, replace

997
01:06:40.880 --> 01:06:45.079
what income he had lost due to the illness. He

998
01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:49.199
was trying to do it. He also invented a well,

999
01:06:49.239 --> 01:06:54.079
what we would call today a tool tote. Back then,

1000
01:06:54.119 --> 01:06:56.760
I don't remember there being such a thing, primarily for

1001
01:06:57.760 --> 01:07:03.679
farriers people who shoe horses. Made it, structured it so

1002
01:07:03.760 --> 01:07:06.079
that it would have all the tools that they need

1003
01:07:08.039 --> 01:07:10.559
with just one handle, and they could pick it up

1004
01:07:10.559 --> 01:07:13.599
and carry it with them from hoof to hoof and

1005
01:07:13.719 --> 01:07:19.079
do their horse shoeing. You know, that wasn't in existence then,

1006
01:07:19.400 --> 01:07:21.920
but it was an idea that he came up with

1007
01:07:22.000 --> 01:07:26.239
that probably wouldn't have been a good selling item. Of course,

1008
01:07:26.280 --> 01:07:29.880
we used five gallon buckets with a you know, like

1009
01:07:29.920 --> 01:07:32.360
a tool caddy on the side of him now for

1010
01:07:32.440 --> 01:07:39.360
that same purpose. Yeah, he was working on different inventions.

1011
01:07:38.840 --> 01:07:46.039
Yeah, yep, and he was also a very very creative person.

1012
01:07:46.199 --> 01:07:50.760
He was a very good artist. He built these wagons

1013
01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:55.480
completely off from scratch, and he he did quite a

1014
01:07:55.480 --> 01:08:00.800
few interesting things during his lifetime. He was I mean,

1015
01:08:00.840 --> 01:08:03.599
he he was an artist. He was he was adventure

1016
01:08:03.760 --> 01:08:07.840
I mean, beyond the Bigfoot thing, you know, he he

1017
01:08:07.960 --> 01:08:12.079
was also very very talented. It's several in several areas.

1018
01:08:12.960 --> 01:08:16.800
Yeah, yeah, he was. I always liked his uh artwork

1019
01:08:16.960 --> 01:08:20.399
and the uh you know the fact that he was

1020
01:08:20.760 --> 01:08:24.880
continued to uh seek out a way that he could

1021
01:08:25.600 --> 01:08:30.479
earn a living, you know, unrelated to the Bigfoot research.

1022
01:08:30.760 --> 01:08:32.920
You know, the Bigfoot research was not he did not

1023
01:08:33.079 --> 01:08:36.199
see it as a means of income. That's more or

1024
01:08:36.279 --> 01:08:39.600
less he knew, wasn't it an expense? Not uh not

1025
01:08:39.720 --> 01:08:46.960
an income? M You know, researchers are still always looking

1026
01:08:47.000 --> 01:08:51.279
for financing. Somehow, somebody has to pay their bills, you know.

1027
01:08:52.000 --> 01:08:55.479
Uh uh Like I said, the the person that eventually

1028
01:08:55.520 --> 01:09:01.439
discovered the Billy Ape was financed by a university. So

1029
01:09:02.439 --> 01:09:06.640
it's not uncommon for a researcher to seek out financing,

1030
01:09:07.800 --> 01:09:10.039
and that should not be held against him. I don't

1031
01:09:10.079 --> 01:09:13.720
believe if that's what he had done, and he did

1032
01:09:13.920 --> 01:09:19.319
seek out financing from various people, not only for the

1033
01:09:19.319 --> 01:09:24.520
bigfoot research, but also for his inventions. More so, he

1034
01:09:24.600 --> 01:09:28.439
was looking at going into production and sales because he

1035
01:09:28.520 --> 01:09:34.239
knew that patenting cost so much money. M m.

1036
01:09:36.079 --> 01:09:39.000
Yeah, we have a question from the chat room from

1037
01:09:39.000 --> 01:09:41.800
Bob Con He's asking what did Roger do for work?

1038
01:09:43.680 --> 01:09:51.319
Roger was a retired cowboy rodeo writer. That was his

1039
01:09:51.520 --> 01:09:55.479
main income prior to well, first of all, he got

1040
01:09:55.520 --> 01:10:04.039
injured writing bulls, and then after his injury he never

1041
01:10:04.159 --> 01:10:11.119
did get back to the capacity of rodeo writer that

1042
01:10:11.199 --> 01:10:15.520
he was prior to his injury. So that's what he

1043
01:10:15.560 --> 01:10:16.319
did for a living.

1044
01:10:18.680 --> 01:10:21.920
Mm hmm. He was also on acrobat he was. He

1045
01:10:22.000 --> 01:10:26.520
was very acrobatic. There's some photos that David Murphy has

1046
01:10:26.560 --> 01:10:29.239
shown that when he was younger. I mean, he used

1047
01:10:29.279 --> 01:10:31.880
to do acrobat acts with his brothers, you know, quite

1048
01:10:31.880 --> 01:10:34.439
a bit, and he was quite the acrobat.

1049
01:10:35.720 --> 01:10:37.920
Ye know that that I don't recall because he didn't

1050
01:10:37.960 --> 01:10:39.720
really talk about himself very much.

1051
01:10:41.039 --> 01:10:45.840
M You know, David Murphy looked into it and he

1052
01:10:46.039 --> 01:10:48.640
he you know, did some research into it and found

1053
01:10:48.680 --> 01:10:51.760
some rare photos of Roger when he was younger. You

1054
01:10:51.800 --> 01:10:54.880
know he was a he was he was he was

1055
01:10:55.000 --> 01:10:58.880
very acrobatic when he was younger, and that that leads

1056
01:10:58.920 --> 01:11:01.119
me to my next question and then referring to the

1057
01:11:01.159 --> 01:11:06.239
broken stirrup there there have there have been those who

1058
01:11:06.279 --> 01:11:13.439
have said that the horse fell on Patterson and that

1059
01:11:14.119 --> 01:11:16.479
actually what happened was the horse fell on him, which

1060
01:11:16.479 --> 01:11:20.399
would have probably crushed his leg. But what happened was actually,

1061
01:11:20.439 --> 01:11:24.600
I think what happened because of his acrobatics, he was

1062
01:11:24.600 --> 01:11:27.479
probably able to pull his leg and pull his pull

1063
01:11:27.479 --> 01:11:31.159
his foot free before he sustained too much injury, and

1064
01:11:31.199 --> 01:11:33.359
that may have been the result of the bent stirrup.

1065
01:11:34.960 --> 01:11:38.720
Yeah, my recollection of that was that, you know, most

1066
01:11:38.720 --> 01:11:42.520
people think when a horse rears up on you and

1067
01:11:42.560 --> 01:11:49.319
then goes over on you, that it's going, uh, straight

1068
01:11:49.439 --> 01:11:53.600
up and straight over, But that's very rarely the case.

1069
01:11:53.840 --> 01:11:56.800
It's gonna it's gonna go to one side or the other,

1070
01:11:57.000 --> 01:12:00.800
which is what happened with with the horse that Roger

1071
01:12:00.920 --> 01:12:05.720
was on. My recollection of him telling the story was that, yes,

1072
01:12:06.479 --> 01:12:10.399
it did pin his leg down and he was very

1073
01:12:10.439 --> 01:12:19.880
fortunate that it was in the soft sand of the

1074
01:12:20.520 --> 01:12:25.840
creek that had receded, so the creek was much smaller

1075
01:12:25.840 --> 01:12:29.840
than it normally would have been, and that his leg

1076
01:12:29.960 --> 01:12:32.319
was stuck under there, but he was not injured because

1077
01:12:32.359 --> 01:12:35.840
of it, because his leg was basically just you know,

1078
01:12:36.039 --> 01:12:39.439
cushioned by the soft sand when he went down on

1079
01:12:39.640 --> 01:12:41.159
the side.

1080
01:12:41.920 --> 01:12:46.840
Yeah. See, that's always been kind of a bone of contention,

1081
01:12:48.560 --> 01:12:51.720
you know, amongst the researchers, and also the fact that

1082
01:12:51.760 --> 01:12:55.119
it seemed Mike Gimmlin and Parison's stories were just a

1083
01:12:55.159 --> 01:12:58.279
little bit different there. There were so inconsistencies between their

1084
01:12:58.359 --> 01:13:02.319
stories as far as recollections of that particular day.

1085
01:13:04.039 --> 01:13:06.880
Right, Yeah, And you know, I think that that's not

1086
01:13:07.479 --> 01:13:12.439
a real big problem either, because you know, you're going

1087
01:13:12.520 --> 01:13:15.399
to have two people see the same thing, they're going

1088
01:13:15.439 --> 01:13:16.960
to have a little different story.

1089
01:13:18.239 --> 01:13:19.600
Yeah, they're seeing.

1090
01:13:19.319 --> 01:13:24.439
It from different perspectives. You know, Bob was actually closer

1091
01:13:24.720 --> 01:13:29.399
to the creature than Roger was at at the beginning point,

1092
01:13:29.520 --> 01:13:31.760
because he was able to control his horse, stay on

1093
01:13:31.840 --> 01:13:36.039
his horse, and ride to a location where he was

1094
01:13:36.079 --> 01:13:42.279
closer to it. And of course Bob wanted to pursue

1095
01:13:43.399 --> 01:13:49.640
the creature and Roger was hesitant to do that. So,

1096
01:13:50.039 --> 01:13:57.000
you know, to me, if their story's interlocked without any inconsistencies,

1097
01:13:57.079 --> 01:14:00.640
that would almost be more of a red flag than

1098
01:14:00.680 --> 01:14:01.840
the fact that there are.

1099
01:14:01.760 --> 01:14:10.439
Inconsistencies exactly exactly now. I had read that, now this

1100
01:14:10.520 --> 01:14:13.239
is something that would preclude the possibility of a hoax.

1101
01:14:13.760 --> 01:14:16.880
I read that. You know, it was felt named Mike Cross.

1102
01:14:16.960 --> 01:14:21.039
He wrote a book called Big Footage, The History of

1103
01:14:21.119 --> 01:14:24.520
Claims for the Sasquatch On Films, and he said that

1104
01:14:24.600 --> 01:14:27.159
it was actually Bob Gimlin's idea to go to that

1105
01:14:27.199 --> 01:14:30.600
particular area where they found Patty, that it was not

1106
01:14:30.680 --> 01:14:33.119
Patterson's idea. If it had been Patterson's idea, you know,

1107
01:14:33.199 --> 01:14:35.760
he might have been leading Gimblin into a into a hoax.

1108
01:14:36.439 --> 01:14:39.520
But since it was Gimlin's idea, then that would make

1109
01:14:39.520 --> 01:14:41.680
the idea, that would make the idea of a hoax

1110
01:14:41.720 --> 01:14:45.119
extremely unlikely, because I don't see Gimblin being a hoaxer.

1111
01:14:45.279 --> 01:14:48.399
I just well not parison neither, you know, I don't

1112
01:14:48.399 --> 01:14:52.239
see either one of them being hoaxes hoaxers. But the

1113
01:14:52.319 --> 01:14:53.960
thing is, you know, there was a lot both the

1114
01:14:54.039 --> 01:14:56.119
contention as to whose idea it was to go to

1115
01:14:56.159 --> 01:14:57.960
that particular area in the first place.

1116
01:14:59.760 --> 01:15:05.439
Right, Yeah, that's uh, it's interesting that that that kind

1117
01:15:05.439 --> 01:15:09.279
of came up because you know, from from Bob's point

1118
01:15:09.319 --> 01:15:14.119
of view, he while he was wanting to pursue and

1119
01:15:14.119 --> 01:15:17.439
and investigate, and he admit that's the first time he

1120
01:15:17.479 --> 01:15:21.560
had ever seen a track in all of the outdoors

1121
01:15:22.039 --> 01:15:25.600
time that he had spent outdoors. Uh, you know, that

1122
01:15:25.760 --> 01:15:29.880
was the first time he had seen a track. Uh,

1123
01:15:29.920 --> 01:15:35.720
so he got pretty excited about it. So it only

1124
01:15:35.800 --> 01:15:40.000
seemed reasonable in a sense that he would want to

1125
01:15:41.119 --> 01:15:45.399
He had more of a curiosity to continue seeking after

1126
01:15:45.520 --> 01:15:49.199
the creature than Roger did. Of course, he was on

1127
01:15:49.279 --> 01:15:51.560
horseback and Roger wasn't, you know. And there was the

1128
01:15:51.600 --> 01:15:56.760
concern that they had seen uh other tracks always had

1129
01:15:56.800 --> 01:16:02.920
seen a set of three tracks track together. And uh,

1130
01:16:02.960 --> 01:16:06.239
since they only saw one creature, I think Roger was

1131
01:16:06.239 --> 01:16:08.560
a little concerned that the others were in the area.

1132
01:16:10.039 --> 01:16:12.159
Uh no idea, what would happen?

1133
01:16:13.680 --> 01:16:13.880
You know?

1134
01:16:14.159 --> 01:16:21.520
So Uh Also Bob uh Gimlin uh only agreed to

1135
01:16:21.560 --> 01:16:25.119
go down there for two weeks, and it was in

1136
01:16:25.159 --> 01:16:27.560
the third week that they were there that they got

1137
01:16:27.560 --> 01:16:32.239
the the film. So, you know, if they were going

1138
01:16:32.279 --> 01:16:35.800
down there to do a hoax, there's just too many

1139
01:16:35.920 --> 01:16:38.960
things like that that are just incidental.

1140
01:16:40.359 --> 01:16:40.800
Uh.

1141
01:16:41.359 --> 01:16:45.800
What would you call 'em facts. You know, why would

1142
01:16:45.880 --> 01:16:52.159
they have spent an extra week when mister Gimlin had

1143
01:16:52.199 --> 01:16:54.640
not ag agreed to spend an extra week. He wanted

1144
01:16:54.680 --> 01:16:56.479
to get back and get back to work, you know,

1145
01:16:58.079 --> 01:17:02.680
like he says, he had bills to pay exactly. But

1146
01:17:03.000 --> 01:17:07.119
once they started seeing the tracks, it did catch his

1147
01:17:07.199 --> 01:17:09.279
interest more, which is why he agreed to stay a

1148
01:17:09.319 --> 01:17:14.479
little longer. So, you know, there are just so many

1149
01:17:14.560 --> 01:17:19.560
things that it gets frustrating to me. And I think

1150
01:17:19.600 --> 01:17:23.520
I mentioned this before, is that a lot of people

1151
01:17:23.560 --> 01:17:26.159
try to pick their story apart, you know, with a

1152
01:17:26.159 --> 01:17:32.960
lot of these intricacies, when the most simple explanation is

1153
01:17:33.000 --> 01:17:36.479
the fact that they simply did come across the big

1154
01:17:36.560 --> 01:17:42.119
Foot and did catch it on film. Yep, The hopes

1155
01:17:42.279 --> 01:17:46.920
stories are more intricate and more convoluted and more unrealistic

1156
01:17:48.319 --> 01:17:53.239
in my opinion than the simple fact that they simply

1157
01:17:53.279 --> 01:17:54.039
did what they did.

1158
01:17:55.520 --> 01:17:58.319
I agree, And we've got another caller from the seven

1159
01:17:58.359 --> 01:18:01.800
to seventy four area codes. You were on the air

1160
01:18:01.840 --> 01:18:09.479
with the Sasquatch Experience hunt a uh John Hart, Right, Yes, right.

1161
01:18:09.359 --> 01:18:11.479
I was on a couple of weeks ago when you

1162
01:18:11.520 --> 01:18:16.079
had this subject. I was still curious cause I had

1163
01:18:16.119 --> 01:18:17.880
asked the question. There was a uh you had a

1164
01:18:17.920 --> 01:18:21.159
guest on a lady who A lady who was on

1165
01:18:21.199 --> 01:18:23.439
I don't I forgot her name. She was talking about

1166
01:18:23.439 --> 01:18:28.199
the uh experience. Uh. I mentioned to her that uh

1167
01:18:28.359 --> 01:18:31.720
years ago in eighty m I think it was nineteen

1168
01:18:31.800 --> 01:18:35.560
eighty seven, I was working in the mall and they

1169
01:18:35.600 --> 01:18:40.880
invited this man to bring uh this exhibit into the

1170
01:18:40.960 --> 01:18:43.479
mall and it was fifty cents to go and see

1171
01:18:43.520 --> 01:18:46.600
this exhibit. I was working security in the mall at

1172
01:18:46.600 --> 01:18:49.840
the time, and you would go and take a look.

1173
01:18:50.000 --> 01:18:54.039
Oh that was Janice. Okay, Carter, Yes, there were Janis,

1174
01:18:54.119 --> 01:18:57.880
and I'm sorry, I just came on. Uh nice to

1175
01:18:57.920 --> 01:19:01.359
see you, Janis. But I had mentioned how there was

1176
01:19:01.479 --> 01:19:04.520
this uh exhibit they put in the mall. You'd you'd

1177
01:19:04.560 --> 01:19:07.319
get to see this creature. And I was very skeptical

1178
01:19:07.439 --> 01:19:10.199
of it. But I went up and as I approached

1179
01:19:10.239 --> 01:19:13.600
these this it looked like a coffin. It must have

1180
01:19:13.680 --> 01:19:16.760
been about eight feet long, it must have been about

1181
01:19:16.800 --> 01:19:22.039
seven feet wide, and it had a very peach putorating

1182
01:19:22.279 --> 01:19:26.359
uh smell to it smelled like uh some kind of

1183
01:19:26.520 --> 01:19:30.279
uh you know, foul smell, uh chicken smell when you

1184
01:19:30.520 --> 01:19:33.520
wash it. And I kind of choked on it as

1185
01:19:33.560 --> 01:19:35.920
I was walking up to see it, and I looked

1186
01:19:35.920 --> 01:19:40.279
down and they had this big it looked like a

1187
01:19:40.279 --> 01:19:45.439
creature a person in ice. Now I studied filmmaking and

1188
01:19:45.520 --> 01:19:48.279
I and I knew my father was a graphics artist,

1189
01:19:48.720 --> 01:19:50.840
and I can I can tell I can pay attention

1190
01:19:50.920 --> 01:19:53.840
to detail. Anyway, it was the this creature that they

1191
01:19:53.880 --> 01:19:58.199
had in ice, supposingly had got shot in the eye

1192
01:19:58.319 --> 01:20:03.000
when they chased it in in the uh arms, Well,

1193
01:20:03.039 --> 01:20:04.720
I could I could look at my arm and I

1194
01:20:04.720 --> 01:20:08.199
could look at the arm and betreaching ice, And I mean,

1195
01:20:08.359 --> 01:20:12.319
it wasn't anything that was that was deeplicated or fake.

1196
01:20:12.399 --> 01:20:15.279
It wasn't. It wasn't wax because you could see the

1197
01:20:15.319 --> 01:20:19.279
fine hairs and the toes look like they looked like

1198
01:20:20.560 --> 01:20:23.600
they were real big. So I said, wow, man, what

1199
01:20:23.640 --> 01:20:25.479
the heck is that? It looked like they had maybe

1200
01:20:25.560 --> 01:20:28.359
just four toes, and the the head was a little

1201
01:20:28.399 --> 01:20:30.680
bit distorted because where they said they shot it in

1202
01:20:30.720 --> 01:20:34.840
the eye. But anyways, this exhibit was on for about

1203
01:20:35.000 --> 01:20:38.359
maybe a few days, and then all of a sudden

1204
01:20:38.399 --> 01:20:42.760
they disappeared. So years later, I was in Baltimore, and

1205
01:20:42.800 --> 01:20:45.680
I was going through a library and I was just

1206
01:20:45.840 --> 01:20:48.199
going through the books and I found a a little

1207
01:20:48.199 --> 01:20:51.960
brown book and it talked about this iceman and the

1208
01:20:51.960 --> 01:20:54.920
book was from London. The story was from London. And

1209
01:20:55.000 --> 01:20:58.239
he said there was a man who had gone out

1210
01:20:58.279 --> 01:21:01.600
for this Spain and catched it and put it in ice,

1211
01:21:01.840 --> 01:21:06.479
and then he kept it in a face still there, yep, yes,

1212
01:21:06.880 --> 01:21:09.079
and I and he kept it in a uh a

1213
01:21:09.119 --> 01:21:12.000
shed or something. And then someone stole it. And then

1214
01:21:12.079 --> 01:21:15.119
after they stole it, they brought it to the US

1215
01:21:15.399 --> 01:21:17.560
and then and then it and then maybe you know

1216
01:21:17.600 --> 01:21:19.960
about this story. I don't know, but then it went

1217
01:21:20.000 --> 01:21:23.319
around as an exhibit and then uh supposedly it's gone.

1218
01:21:23.359 --> 01:21:24.840
I don't know where it is now. But I'll tell

1219
01:21:24.880 --> 01:21:27.720
you one thing I don't. I won't forget that. And

1220
01:21:27.960 --> 01:21:30.720
uh I I could this day. I don't think it

1221
01:21:30.800 --> 01:21:34.279
was It wasn't fake, that's for sure. Whatever it was,

1222
01:21:34.359 --> 01:21:38.439
it was something, Yep, it could have been there. Maybe

1223
01:21:38.479 --> 01:21:40.680
it was this distorted person. I don't know, but I

1224
01:21:40.720 --> 01:21:42.800
don't think they could allow him to do something like that.

1225
01:21:42.880 --> 01:21:45.560
And uh, well, but it was pretty long because it

1226
01:21:45.600 --> 01:21:50.159
was about mm I'm about five seven, and uh, there

1227
01:21:50.199 --> 01:21:52.079
was a I it looked like it was about a

1228
01:21:52.079 --> 01:21:55.600
good six It could have been about six feet feet long.

1229
01:21:55.720 --> 01:21:59.439
Someone says, talking about the Minnesota ice man. Was there

1230
01:21:59.479 --> 01:22:00.479
in Minnesota the ice man?

1231
01:22:00.520 --> 01:22:00.920
I don't know.

1232
01:22:01.920 --> 01:22:07.239
Yes, then what does that mean? There's two different there's

1233
01:22:07.319 --> 01:22:10.640
two different entities. You got the midst of the eye

1234
01:22:10.680 --> 01:22:13.840
family and you have this I T debiser offer, which

1235
01:22:13.920 --> 01:22:17.159
is that's the one that this gentleman is talking about

1236
01:22:17.279 --> 01:22:19.479
on the phone here. Well, this one.

1237
01:22:19.239 --> 01:22:22.439
Wasn't Harry like you'd expect to see an animal Harry.

1238
01:22:22.520 --> 01:22:23.439
It wasn't Harry.

1239
01:22:23.800 --> 01:22:24.000
Yeah.

1240
01:22:24.000 --> 01:22:25.840
As a matter of fact, they had I was surprised

1241
01:22:25.840 --> 01:22:26.720
they had left.

1242
01:22:26.520 --> 01:22:27.760
Hair on it.

1243
01:22:28.520 --> 01:22:32.359
And uh, the hairs were, uh it looked more like

1244
01:22:32.359 --> 01:22:35.119
a a man, like a arm of a man, you know.

1245
01:22:35.199 --> 01:22:38.479
The hair was like a dark hair. And but the

1246
01:22:38.560 --> 01:22:41.720
thing that was distinct, very h very detailed was the

1247
01:22:41.760 --> 01:22:45.720
f was the toes. The toes did not look like uh,

1248
01:22:46.159 --> 01:22:48.439
regular union toe. It had like it had like it

1249
01:22:48.520 --> 01:22:52.880
looked more like four four big thumbs or something like that.

1250
01:22:53.399 --> 01:22:57.319
You know. Yeah, So I don't know where that is now,

1251
01:22:57.359 --> 01:23:00.520
So maybe that's a little little keto what you looking for.

1252
01:23:01.079 --> 01:23:06.640
And I'm convinced whatever it is it's it was something.

1253
01:23:06.960 --> 01:23:09.319
It said they had a shoot it in the they

1254
01:23:09.439 --> 01:23:14.840
shot it in the eye or something. So yeah, yeah,

1255
01:23:15.279 --> 01:23:16.520
I thought i'd share that with you.

1256
01:23:17.520 --> 01:23:20.159
But color, thank you very much for telling us about this.

1257
01:23:20.359 --> 01:23:22.560
Thank you for calling in welcome.

1258
01:23:22.600 --> 01:23:24.319
I wish I could find that book again. I know

1259
01:23:24.439 --> 01:23:28.960
it was in Baltimore at Local College, and I don't

1260
01:23:28.960 --> 01:23:31.840
know if it's still on the shelf anymore. But again,

1261
01:23:31.880 --> 01:23:34.159
I found the book by accident. I was just flipping

1262
01:23:34.199 --> 01:23:42.159
through and there it was. There's an old book. Okay, ye, okay,

1263
01:23:41.680 --> 01:23:43.319
thank you, thank you for having me.

1264
01:23:43.680 --> 01:23:50.560
Bye bye, byebye. Well, folks, we got about four more

1265
01:23:50.600 --> 01:23:52.960
minutes left in the show, and tell you what, this

1266
01:23:53.000 --> 01:23:55.640
has been a great one. And uh, we really enjoyed

1267
01:23:55.680 --> 01:24:00.319
having Mic back with us. That's Washingtonian. He's really told

1268
01:24:00.319 --> 01:24:05.920
them some really great stories about about Roger Patterson, about

1269
01:24:05.920 --> 01:24:13.319
the Patison Gimven movie. This is very interesting stuff. I'm

1270
01:24:13.399 --> 01:24:17.880
very yeah, this has been great. First of all, I'm

1271
01:24:17.880 --> 01:24:20.399
gonna ask if John or James have any final comments,

1272
01:24:20.439 --> 01:24:21.680
and then we're going to ask the guests if he

1273
01:24:21.720 --> 01:24:29.119
has any final comments. Ahead, James, No, go ahead, ahead,

1274
01:24:29.439 --> 01:24:30.039
it's your turn.

1275
01:24:31.199 --> 01:24:34.439
I just wanted to thank Mike for coming and.

1276
01:24:34.520 --> 01:24:37.920
How interesting his stories are and how much we really

1277
01:24:37.960 --> 01:24:38.600
appreciate it.

1278
01:24:39.439 --> 01:24:43.479
Yep, I agree with that, Thank you, John, and I

1279
01:24:44.199 --> 01:24:46.039
appreciate the opportunity to come back.

1280
01:24:46.800 --> 01:24:51.800
It's been good, James.

1281
01:24:52.000 --> 01:24:56.720
The same thing. I really, I really like your story.

1282
01:24:56.760 --> 01:25:00.600
And the fact is is that you know, when we

1283
01:25:00.640 --> 01:25:04.079
ask you questions, I mean, they're honest answers, and it

1284
01:25:04.119 --> 01:25:08.000
gives me, you know, it makes me believe that all

1285
01:25:08.039 --> 01:25:10.960
that you've seen is accurate, because that's the biggest thing

1286
01:25:11.000 --> 01:25:13.800
that we run into, is that making sure that you know,

1287
01:25:13.840 --> 01:25:17.039
the stories that we we give people is something that

1288
01:25:17.239 --> 01:25:20.520
you know, keeps them going in researchers still accurate. And

1289
01:25:20.600 --> 01:25:23.479
the things you've told us today and the last time

1290
01:25:23.520 --> 01:25:25.600
you're here, I mean, really, there's a lot of stuff

1291
01:25:25.640 --> 01:25:31.319
that makes you feel that the research is well worth it,

1292
01:25:31.359 --> 01:25:33.840
not that we're just hanging out in the woods. So

1293
01:25:33.880 --> 01:25:38.000
I want to thank you for coming. And I'm sorry

1294
01:25:38.000 --> 01:25:40.760
that sorry John, that you didn't get to talk much.

1295
01:25:42.720 --> 01:25:44.680
We might want to have you on again so that

1296
01:25:44.720 --> 01:25:46.840
way then we can have some time just for you

1297
01:25:47.000 --> 01:25:49.359
or you know, if you have some questions you need

1298
01:25:49.359 --> 01:25:52.079
to ask, please, you know, go to my mindspace page

1299
01:25:52.199 --> 01:25:55.119
or or send an email to the Sosquatch Experience on

1300
01:25:55.199 --> 01:25:57.880
what you'd like to cover, because I mean, I kind

1301
01:25:57.880 --> 01:25:59.600
of feel that we left you out a little bit.

1302
01:26:00.560 --> 01:26:03.680
Now I'm trying, James, I had a good time, okay,

1303
01:26:04.439 --> 01:26:06.840
and that I want to remind you folks. That's www

1304
01:26:06.920 --> 01:26:10.359
dot blog talk righto dot com slash James B. Wilde

1305
01:26:11.039 --> 01:26:13.399
And first of all, I want to thank John for

1306
01:26:13.439 --> 01:26:15.960
coming on with us tonight. Now, this was great. You know,

1307
01:26:16.000 --> 01:26:18.399
it's great to have you on with us. And Mike,

1308
01:26:18.479 --> 01:26:22.159
do you have any closing thoughts? And by the way,

1309
01:26:21.720 --> 01:26:24.399
our guests in the chatroom want to extend their thanks

1310
01:26:24.439 --> 01:26:26.359
to you for sharing your stories.

1311
01:26:27.359 --> 01:26:31.039
Well great, I'm thank everybody for listening and for being

1312
01:26:31.119 --> 01:26:34.279
here and being in the chat room. And it's been good.

1313
01:26:34.319 --> 01:26:37.479
I really enjoyed it. And I do hope that all

1314
01:26:37.479 --> 01:26:39.640
of this does get confirmed. It's the only thing that

1315
01:26:39.680 --> 01:26:42.319
I can say one of these days soon that we

1316
01:26:42.439 --> 01:26:46.239
get confirmation of these things being out there, because there's

1317
01:26:46.279 --> 01:26:48.720
too many of us that know that they're out there.

1318
01:26:50.960 --> 01:26:54.800
I completely agree. Well, oh gosh, we're about down to

1319
01:26:54.840 --> 01:26:58.880
a minute. Well, we want to thank everybody sending in tonight.

1320
01:26:59.560 --> 01:27:03.760
Oh the heck was that it was me coughing, Henry.

1321
01:27:04.199 --> 01:27:06.520
Oh okay, Well, anyway, we.

1322
01:27:06.479 --> 01:27:08.920
Want to thank everybody for tuning in tonight, and I

1323
01:27:09.039 --> 01:27:11.239
want to thank everybody, you know. We see Eric Autman

1324
01:27:11.319 --> 01:27:15.479
has drifted in late. He's been kind of enjoying the

1325
01:27:15.520 --> 01:27:17.800
weekend off of his family and we hope he's had

1326
01:27:17.840 --> 01:27:21.199
a good weekend, and we want to thank everybody for

1327
01:27:21.239 --> 01:27:24.880
tuning in and this was great. Next week, I'm not

1328
01:27:24.920 --> 01:27:28.119
sure what's on our plate. Hopefully, Melissa, we'll be back

1329
01:27:28.199 --> 01:27:32.760
and well we'll just continue on, keep on, keeping on.

1330
01:27:33.640 --> 01:27:36.600
Might be a little bit of a preview of the

1331
01:27:36.640 --> 01:27:41.000
Ohio Bigfoot Conference. So until next week, y'all be good

1332
01:27:41.199 --> 01:27:44.239
or be good at it. This has been the Sasquatch experience.