Sasquatch Experience Classics: Sasquatch Watch of Virginia (2/17/2008)

Our associate producer, James Baker, has also called the show James, stay good tonight, I'm done, fine good. We have two very special guests tonight, Billy Willard and Tom Lancaster. I believe Tom is just called in, so I'm gonna click on this. Let's see Tom. Do we have you, sir? Yeah? All right? Hey Tom, good to hear from you. Okay. Our guests tonight are terrific researchers, Billy Willard and Tom Lancaster doing tremendous fieldwork in Virginia for a fast watch watch. But first, I have an announcement to make. Normally, we don't promote other people's shows here except for feed Goo's Squash Detective Radio, which is our sister show. However, this Wednesday night is going to be a very important and revealing night. This Wednesday Night on Bigfoot Live. Tom Muscardian how someone feel about mister muccarney, But anyway he will have as his kids. This is our opportunity to question these men. Finally, Greg Long, the author of the Making of Bigfoot, The Inside Story, Philip Morris, the costume maker who claimed he sold a gorilla suit to Roger Panterson in nineteen fifty seven and the star witness himself, Bob Hieronymous, will be on the Guardian's Radio Thomas Garny's radio show this Wednesday night, ten eastern ninth Central. The website is www dot bigfoot Line Radio Show dot com. So tune in, Jurky at Goodwin. This is gonna be our opportunity to question mister Hoeronomous and put him under cross examination. And that's the only EPs that I've got. So, Billy Wonderd and Tom Lancaster, how y'all doing tonight? Well? As I said, Henry him a little under the weather. Have been sick for about a week and went out Friday night when it was really cold, and stayed up pretty much all night and got even sicker. Oh man, that's gonna be terrible. Yeah, I'm under the weather too. I I picked up a cold and uh oh maybe maybe Billy got it from me or I got it from Billy. But something's happening here. We're we're all very sick. Oh gee, well, you know it's okay. You know, you guys, you'll get you'll be on the man soon. And I'm glad you guys remember deal that you were on the shell to night despite feel like saving time. I know that kind of screwed some people up a little bit today. But anyhow, so you know, I have to say, I'm looking at your blog right now, the fast watch field read Church and that's, by the way, I thought that's h GGV calling poord flash Ford flash sasquatch watch be a field dot block spot dot com exactly. You know, the stuff you guys have on here really amazing. Yeah, I mean, it's uh something that we kind of undertook, you know, some of the recent research there. We seeing these city formations and stuff in the woods, and we, you know, instead of just downplaying them and not even documenting anything, we decided it would probably be a good idea to just go ahead and collect some data. Nothing really, you know what I would what I would consider hard evidence obviously, but certainly nothing wrong with collecting some data about the about what we're finding out there. Well, yep, how long have you been collecting the data? Actually, actually, James, we just started just a couple of months ago, to be honest. We we had had the suggestion and we've got permission to on who that was. Bill Dry and Ginnis had given us the suggest to start collecting some information about these structures inflormations whenever we would find them. So that's that's what we decided to do a few months. Have you gotten any pattern jet or is it just too early to tell? Yeah, it's it's still kind of early to tell. You know. There's been several question praised, you know, are they navigational expencial? Are they territorial markers? You know? And and there's also been some good arguments. You know. One of the main arguments is does sasquatch really need a navigational tool? He should know the woods like the back of his hands. And I agree with that, you know, certainly, I'm sure they know the woods like we know our house if we're walking in our house in the dark. I mean, it's uh, I think that was that's a good argument. So what they really mean, I guess until we continue to collect data and actually just map these things, zoom out of Matt, take a look and see if we can, you know, get any inflating from it, I guess we just don't know at this point. Mm hmm. I have to say the six structures on the on the blog here are quite interesting, and you know, I can't imagine something. I can't imagine that humans going into this area and just making them or a or or some sort of animal. And another thing that's interesting is that's hollowed out and matted down pubal shelter. That's quite interesting. You know that that would probably explain, you know, how these things live without caves in the area. Are there any caves in the area where you guys research farm. I'll let you answer that one. He's since Thalm is the geologist, he'll probably know a little bit more about the geology of the area. Yeah, they're there. There, certainly could be, but it's it's not an area of li I'm stone or anything like that, so they're not prevalent if they're. If they're there, it would be more of a crystal and rock type of structure of its present and I don't think we've got I think it's unlikely. So the answer Hendler pen it wasn't Henry that Yeah, okay, Henry. The answer to that would be it's unlikely mm hmm. Area that where we're doing this research there, Llan Jane, I had a question there. You chose was that based on a person person or reported this area has Billy and Iron are actually investigating many different areas. Okay, we're jumping around, but this this latest area that we started collecting evidence back in January and in the beginning of February, and and it's on our blog now. The newly developed Uh. This this area has had historical sightings that date back years, many many years, maybe even maybe even as far back as twenty years that are recorded. So it it's got a fair amount of activity. It has a history that, yeah, it definitely has a history. The the area was actually we were let in, Billy and I were let into this area by a couple other friends that are researchers. One of the fellows saw a twist which led to us following him into this area, and then that led to Billy finding the first print of the sixth print track. And it wasn't until we came back later that we actually figured out we've got we got other prints here, and and then we measured it and we were we were very very shocked. Let's see, Billy and I were very shocked to see that these prints were all eleven feet apart exactly except for the print between the log the smash log, and I guess northern the first print that's north of it. We were very shocked about that. We're very shocked that the prints were all fifteen by seven inches. It was just an exciting moment when we found that track, But really we were led into that area by other researchers and we, I guess to answer your question, we had previously been into in this region before because of various exciting reports that had recently come out in the last year, back in the summer of two thousand and six and maybe even earlier. So we had been out in the yes, Billy and I before discovering this track that's in the blog, and there's pictures of the prints in this blog as well if you go down far Noo. But we had found another print out there and and and some other some other possible tracks tracks. In fact, the dry Lake bed had tracks, many tracks, but we just couldn't really confirm it because it was you know, they were eroded and we didn't have any any really good definition of this of the ball and heel and toes and so we were scratching our heads over that bad as well. But it looked certainly looked like tracks. Me. It's just it wasn't very exclusive the this six print tractor. You know, we did have some toe ridges and some toes and some various things show up. So it is something that you know, we feel as we feel pretty confident about what's what the building is. Thing is like like Billy said, Buildrin Gidness Uh had the wonderful idea of you know, maybe these structures are are some sort of a navigational tool or something, or a boundary as others have said, of some sort. And so you know, Buil drink Getness a suggestion to measure the make some measurements. So we didn't do all the measurements he suggests, and we still need to do that, and we still need to go out there and map some more structure and see what happens. But what was what was interesting when when we first found the six print track with these other friends and researchers actually discovered a couple of these structures nearby. And you know, as we were taking in the data for the track, we also took in data for what the structure. The structural data in this case, the highest stick was pointing in a direct actually towards the six print track, and so that led to mapping out other unnatural stick structures in the area, and then in the block you can see that the trends of these the highest stick and where it's pointing it is just unusual, and it's certainly suggest is suggestive of some sort of a marker of some sort. In fact, the probability that, you know, if you were to look at the SIER six six stick structures out there, and if you were to just do a very simple statistical calculation, if there is a ninety nine point nine nine eighty four percent random chance that at least one of these highest sticks will be pointing in a direction not towards the adjacent stick structure, but at least ten degrees off of it. So it did, you know, just not not not that it's worth running any statistical package at this point on this data, because we got so so Vita little. It does. It does show that there is a fairly good trend and correlation of these direct directions that these these sixer pointing. So it's certainly suggests that I threw out there that it may be suggestive of that these structures are a navigational tool. And others have pointed out that there's other possibilities and certainly I sure, oh yeah, I mean, anything's possible here. It may turn out that, you know, as we map more structures that you know, something will something else will emerge and merge data data. But regardless, the stata doesn't prove anything. It doesn't really show us anything definitive at this point. It just suggested some some what I really don't know. I don't know what it was. Really, I can't really be conclusive about what it means. Okay, that's great, Tom, Sorry I dropped out from it. It bones my skype cut me off for some reason, or James, did you accidentally hang me up? Not that I'm aware of. Okay, well, my skype cut off. Don got it? And Tom, by the way we're we're being we're being asked to ask you to speak up louder hard to hear you speaking. Oh okay, I'll do that. How about how about now can you hear me? That's great? That sounds great, okay, both. The number to call is three four seven nine ninety six fine eight one four or that's it. That's the number for tonight. You know, I have another question, if you don't mind, Henry, hang on, James or or you can email or excuse me, you can fear me Giant eight two thousand and four, two thousand. That's all, get the messenger. Okay, go ahead, James, Sorry, no, no, no, that's fine. My question was is could the markers actually be both? I mean, has there been anything where the creature migrates, like maybe it's like, you know, you go, you go hunting at a certain spot every time every year marks a treaty of where you're at now or at the other places? Is you tell the local hunters that that's your area, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, I know what you're saying, James, I mean, are you are you suggesting that the formation would possibly be made by human Well now I'm saying that the formation buy the big Foot. But it as a like, say that's the winter home compared to their summer home, so that they remember which spot they were in, like a migration towards you know, in the summer they spend more time where it's warmer than up north. You know, when you leave for six months out of the year or whatever it is, you know, to remember where the terrain is. Maybe they leave that marker. It also suits to the other side collapse. It says, hey, this is my area, find another home. Ya. That's actually that's actually a good that's actually a good fault. Jane, we had had that suggestion also, you know that it was actually as a marker to say the other Bigfoot families or clans, hey, this is you know, this is my territory, it's my area. You know, it's my home, you know, to let others know that's it. I would say, you know, I certainly don't think it couldn't be a possibility, but I found something interesting here lately, actually something that occurred back in December. You know, if anybody has lately went over to the BSRO database, they had a West Virginia fighting that one of the researchers had had went to and the I found whatever reason as I was reading through the encounter, and just to make it short, it was a lady who was having some kind of experience with hearing something outside of her home that it sounded like a really low moan, like something was in pain outside her her bedroom window. She was too scared to get out to get up and look to see what it was, and then she recalls it sounded like it went over towards the garage where her dog was. The dog, of course, was having a fit, and then she heard something hit on the garage and then the dog stopped making you know, stop making a sound, and then she had She mentions later on that she had and this was actually brought out during the interview by the researcher the BFRO, when he had asked that about a sighting she had had had mentioned seeing the creature in the wood. She was about seven feet seven to eight feet tall. When they went and looked into the woods, they actually found a womb formation or a stick structure where the longest stick was pointing straight to the house. I found that part of the interview interesting because again we have someone who has took the time to find something that just looked unusual, out of place and noticed that, you know, this thing's pointing towards the house. I just thought that that was interesting that he saw that as important enough to collect and actually not well, you know, there may be something to those ye yeah, yeah, I think I think it's certainly possible. Some of the pot with James brought out this this idea of my migrational type of scenario. There's lots of different things that are coming out from different researchers about an explanation, one of one of which is that the kids know how to get home. You know, I thought that was sort of interesting, but you know, again, we don't know what this data really means yet. It is interesting that the sixth print track is trending north northeast and these stick structures on either side of it are pointing rate at the stix tracks parallel to the stick track and pointing north northeast as well as south southwest. So some of this stuff is very interesting. The mysteries we've got in this, in these findings is that s T two and s T three is on these graphics that that we have presented that at those two locations you's got structure unnatural structures that are side by side. I'm not sure why that is. Like, for example, s T three, that's unnatural stick structure. We've got two unnatural TP structures side by side, and that S two to s T two, we've got to lean to several sticks lean to that are unnatural next to a TV structure. Why that is, God only knows. I really I can't make heads or tails of that. Maybe someone said to me that you you know, we have when we mark the Appalachian Trail, we mark it with various we market various ways. If it's as turning, or if there's an intersection, we have a double mark, or if it's doing something else, we have another mark. And so someone was saying, maybe that something and say that there's there's a junction there, and there's more structures off the side somewhere, and so who knows. I guess more mapping may uncover some of it. The hope is that maybe maybe we are onto something here. Maybe it will turn out to show pathways and pathways that will lead to further uncovering this whole mystery. But you know, I certainly I'm not going to get my hopes up. We're just going to go out and collect data to see what happens. I'm sorry. Yeah. The other mystery here is in the actual track we cast in one of the prints didn't have and in that cast, as we are cleaning it up, Billy's cleaning it up, we may in fact have we definitely looks like we have toes on one side, or a toe ridge, a big toe and a toe ridge, and on those other side we may even have some toes on the other side of the foot. And so it makes me think that if that's true, if as we clean it up and we verify that that this this creature or whatever made these prints stepped in it, go in the other direction, use the same tracks going in each direction. If and but it makes me think that, but you know, to say anything conclusive about it is going to be hard. It's just we're gonna see what happens here. We're gonna clean up that cast and put it down on the blog and see what else, see what so what folks think about it. The other thing is, as a result of talking with XJ, a fellow out there researcher. I guess they're on the west coast. The suggestion was to go, let's go ahead and and you know, put a put a video camera eight to ten feet off, eight to nine feet off the ground, and walk along this trend line and see what see what the creature would see at that height, and to actually go ahead and walk it and see see if they're you know, if that provides anything further. It may or may not. It certainly will be fun making it and watching it, and we'll certainly have that on the the blog or somewhere on the site soon enough. So, well, go ahead, Henry, what were you going to say? Well, I was just going to ask you about that shelter that y'all found approximately how big was it and how wide and whatever? And that was to take me odors inside it? Bill billion down that Billy, Why don't you address that one? Yeah? Actually, uh, Henry, I when I did. I did get in it. It was about the opening was roughly about four to five five feet wide, and it was about five feet tall. The it went back in pretty deep. You can kind of see at the picture how dark it is on the inside that goes back in there quite a ways. I did look around for some you know, any kind of hair or any any other, you know, items that it might have been laying around. I didn't see any kind of items. I didn't see any evidence of hair. It did have a smell in it, however, I could get confirmed that that wouldn't have been a deer smell, because, as you know, dear a good sting to them as well. But I didn't see anything that was clearly evident to me at you know, a creature size of the sasquatch was staying in there certainly good good enough size for one there and actually stay in there and be undetected, because that thing is quite sick. Okay, well, how far back in the woods was it? And you know how hard would it have been for a hundred to fignd or something like that. Well that's the other thing you have to keep in mind that this entire area is in an area that is hunted. It is probably approximately and I didn't take these measurements, but I'm going by I've been to the site so many times I can pretty much explode it. It's probably approximately fifty feet away from an open field where some duck hunting occurs, and it's approximately good one hundred plus yards away from a actual trail where people may travel a lot. So if it is used, I don't think it's used for a long period of time. I think it would be used as a temporary stop, so to speak. It's a place to maybe I don't know, get out of the rain, or a place to, you know, to just hide for just a little bit. I think it would it would be used for anything long term, certainly, Henry, it is it is. It is an area where humans are in there. I guess regularly for hunting and this and that, and yeah, certain, I mean there's there's always the possibility that who knows, maybe maybe all these structures, footprints and and everything, it's all big. I tend to seriously think that that that extremely unlike the area because the data data heading is hitting it is uh with the hard heart. I think, especially the track. I don't know, how can you jump eleven feet and eleven feet and eleven feet? I don't know. I just think it's it would be extremely unlikely that somebody's hoaxing that, So there's always the possibility. The other thing is in the vicinity. We went out with a couple of friends on Friday night another couple other potatructures and set up some parabolics. These are voice or sound recording devices as well as one of the fellows had a thermal imager. We had night vision, we had all sorts of equipment. We stayed out all night and this was in the vicinity of the area of these tracks and unnatural medical structure structures. We had some activity at I can't remember now. Billy may be able to help me out. I think it was eight o'clock one point thirty am and four am, and some of the activity was pretty intense, and it might have been about kind about of the way where we were. We heard chatter or the Billy described it as baby two babies talk to each other or something like that. It's a weirly weird and maybe Billy can tell you more about that. We heard two grunts, and some of the other guys heard some other grunts, and we heard bipedal footsteps out the wazoo. In fact, that one time we heard two creatures in there one hundred feet away from us in the leaves, and they were doing something with breaking logs and stuff like that. It actually was sort of halfway scary in a way, bringing back flat marsh backs. But anyway, Billy, maybe you want to talk about this chatter. Yeah, I had actually put one of the fellow researchers had brought along a bionic ear, had it mounted on a tree approximately. I actually wasn't mounted on a tree. It was mounted on a tripod quite a distance from the camp, and I had on the headphones at the time, and it actually sounded like, honestly sounded like two children giggling and laughing and some kind of chattering language. Which completely shocked me because in that direction there are no homes at all. The old thing in that direction is a large river and nothing but woods and wilderness. I mean, there's absolutely no home in that direction or a least. So it was definitely a very strange sound and it certainly got me excited when I heard it. Wow, I bet it did. Yeah, so, Henry, when you know you take all this together, it's sort of it makes me feel that they'd be extremely unlikely that the data we're getting is unreliable as far as these prints and unnatural structures and all that other stuff we're finding out there. M yep, let's see if I get paged them up, I actually see exactly where this goes, because what you guys are doing, you know, there's two ways this really could go. Is you could find a lot of evidence that would get you to get or because you're spending so much time on this particular site, they may actually walk away from it because there's too much contact, you know what I mean. Yeah, Plus James area, this area is so large, I mean, it's just unbelievably large, and it's interconnected with you know, it's it's kind of bisected by a large river body, and the other side of the river is just an en mass undeveloped amount of wooded acreage. These things, more than likely the permanent home is on the other side of the river. And the reason I state that is because the other side of the river is private land. It's not probably not accessed normally by humans unless some humans have some permission connection owners to hunt it. But more than likely they probably come over into this other area that we're looking around on, probably to possibly hunt or to get food. I have a feeling that they go back and lose their home, which is probably on land it's not public, you know, because they know there's no human interference there. That's a solid point too, because that's what I would have going to ask the question about was, as you know, with so many hunters in that area, you would be amazed that they would be not close because what I've seen and what I've read that you know, as I've always said to Sean, is we're really their only threat on do you look at it? I agree, I agree with that statement. I would think that there there is unrest within that area, that there there's hunting going on. I wouldn't I don't think it would be worth trying to habituate in such an area. I think that if you're going to try to habituate, you're gonna need to go into an area where there's not a lot of honey's. This creature's gotta be scared and jumping, jumpy for sure in such an area. Yep, all right again, the phone number is three four seven nine. If you guys have any questions for Billy or Tom, or perhaps myself or James, you know, call on in. Okay, Sorry, now huh Now, both of these guys you've probably heard of Tim. Was that Tim Cassidy said that he was hit by pheromones not necessarily infrasound. I know you guys are big subscribers to the infrasound well sort of big subscriber to the infantound theory. Do you suppose it could possibly be a combination of pheromones and infrasound that these creatures are using disorempty. Well, I certainly wouldn't be one to dismiss that. I'm sure that it's possible that may very well be what the stench is that people smell some type of permone trigger some type of a special seat land or whatever it could be. I'm not a biologist by no means, but I certainly don't see why this creature would be any different from other creatures that have that type of defense. You know. I've kind of looked at some information about in forsound, and the more I read, the more interested I get in it. You know, Actually realizing what you know infra sound is capable of is quite amazing in all honesty. You know, it's used for it can be used as a defense mechanism, you know, and it's it's it's it's it's powerful. It's powerful from what I can see from some of the things that I've read about it. So it does not surprise me that the creature supposedly doesn't this size anything, you know, if you're talking about a seven eight eight foot all creature, of course it's going to have a large chest cavity there, it's going to have large vocal cords. I certainly don't quite we'd be able to produce such a sound. That's very true for me. I would I would keep an open mind and see anythings possible. At this point, I'm hoping to build and an infra sound of ice here time in the future. And then use computer software as my solo scope. It would be similar to processing seismic signals infrasound. We would have to actually go out and crecial background soundings first for several days to establish background noises because there are various sources of infrasound out there that are constantly being made sounds that so, you know, the only way to go forth is just to keep an open mind and collect data. I think once I get this equipment built, we go into an area where we have some known activity, hopefully an area where they're habituating, and we can then collect the data and rule out or you know that you know the data will tell the story wards. Okay, guys, we have a couple of colors calling in. The first is from five one zero. I think I know who that is, but we're gonna go on ahead and pick that up. Five one zero. Wait a minute, five one general, you are on the ara. That's much experience. But if he remained James Baker, Tom Lancaster, Well, this is John Doe calling and I wanted to ask about this baby chattering thing. Did you guys record these sounds? Yes? Actually, John, the films were recorded. They were not recorded by me or Tom. It was recorded by another fellow researcher that was there. He does have it recorded, so we are certainly eagerly awaiting him to download those recordings so that we can examine them. And would there be any way for any of us to obtain a copy? Well, that's it actually depends on this other researcher. We can't speak for him, and certainly they you know, eventually it will come out. I suspect, but we can't speak for this other researcher. Well, what I mean is, since you probably know this fellow at least a little bit, what do you think the chances are that people can buy a copy, trade a copy, get a copy or something in a little while. Oh, I would imagine that's that's not a problem, and I don't think it would the money would be involved. One of the things we're going to look at is what I'm interested in is and I'd like to see if this chatter has got any organization to it, such as what they did up in Ohio. They actually they had some garble chatter and they were able to pick out some Algonkian Ancient American Native American Indian words in it and you know, to look at this stuff a little bit would be you know, maybe a good thing for everybody to get involved with that, and maybe maybe uh you know, the more heads on it, more will come out of it. But at this point I don't know. I can't really talk for this other researcher as to when it's gonna come out, but I would suspect it will be. I wanted to tell you that I have heard the same thing. Oh really, now, what you heard of a fellaw ived your noise that you heard? Have you heard of a fellow named too Klone Shoba from from Oklahoma? I think I have Billy, what about you? I haven't heard the name, but I would certainly be interested in hearing about it. He's he's a half Indian fella who has who claims to have some quite bizarre bike foot contact experiences in the same kind of area as let's see doctor. He's a as herbalist. I'm trying to think, what's the fam what's the famous greeting card company? Yeah, Charlie Hallmark. They live in the same vicinity near I take a sulfur Oklahoma, and I was invited to come down and join up with Too Klow after he had had some bad experiences with the BFRO people, and so I was glad to do that. And it was a couple about three or four years ago, and I went down there in January and joined him, and I slept in the sleeping bag part of the evenings in his like sort of an office in in a garage, and also I spent nights in my own hotel. And one night he wanted to take me up to through a locked gate up up a hill to an area where there had been a lot of contacts in the past. And as it has never failed, whenever you try and do something with Bigfoot, you wind up into you run into problems, you know, running out of gas, or your battery goes flat, or your tires go flat, or something happening. Maybe this is familiar to some of you, and it almost seemed as if it's deliberately set up to bug you and prevents you from doing what you're doing. Well. In this case, he had the combination for the gate lock and it wasn't working. He kept working on it and working on it and said, well, I have done this a hundred times before. One I won't open tonight. And while he was working on that. I was standing close to him by this gate, and I'd say, oh, fifty feet or so from us, on the other side, in a little grove of trees or came out what I would call it munch of chittering, not exactly a bird thing, and and sort of kind of like a monkey thing, but like monkeys chattering or chittering at each other. And of course we hadn't expected this, so we weren't able to record it now. Naturally, as soon as the gate was opened, it all stopped, and we went in and didn't find anything at that particular spot, And we checked out further up the hill that evening and didn't find too much of anything. So the next day I went back and I found out a very bizarre thing. Close to that grove of trees where the chittering noise had come from. I found a wild pig that was dead, and it was lying on its side, and it had been like partially butchered or something like the destinies that were spilling out of it, and one leg was raised up with a rope and tied to a tree. And I wasn't sure whether there were a bunch of kids were playing with a dead hog or what was going on. But it seemed bizarre to me to find this real close to this where the chittering place had coming out. All very strange, all of it. Oh. I congratulate you on getting those sounds, and I do hope you will urge strongly your friend to give you copies and let other people hear it. Oh, I'm sure it'll eventually make its way out into the public realm. Hey, do you have a recording of your recording somewhere publicly displayed of your recording? Now, as I said, we didn't expect to get any sounds that night in Oklahoma, so since we weren't prepared, and naturally the sounds happened. This is the way it is with big for what they kind of they catch you when you run out of film. Well, they catch you and I'm broken. Things like that. And it does appear that they are able to read your mind and to play with you, which is something that you're probably not on hand by now. I believe that normal apes and humans cannot do an extraordinary, very very very extraordinary, And I'm wondering if I could, Oh it could be. I'm wondering if I could get me Sean here to allow me to reply to some of the comments you made at the end of the last program where you were talking about me at great length, but you would not let me answer at that time. But you had a great good time talking about me anyway, and I felt kind of frustrated because I couldn't get in to reply to some things that were not correct. Well, Sean's not here. Number one, Well, Henry will do, because Henry was part of that. I'm actually glad that you did call because today you are a lot calmer, and I think that was one of our biggest Oh I had a strange phone connection before. Okay, but you know what I mean. Well, I felt that what you did was extremely unfit. To put it mildly, because you're talking about a guy behind his back in public, but he doesn't get to answer you. Right there was that fair? I think it's fair. Eric, Eric, you know, if you've got something to say, you know, if you want to respond, you know, the law is yours. The law. I will repond. I will respond. First of all, you guys were talking about things that doctor Krantz had said or theorized in the past, as if he was an expert doctor Krantz has never seen a bigfoot. He's never even heard one. He may have found some tracks that were shown to him by the people, but Krantz is not an expert. Or the fact that he came out with a book which is now very very out of date doesn't mean that he was right. He was you were You were referring just to one of many things. You were like, well, we never find any dead bears in the woods, that isn't true. Five years ago I told everybody on the internet five years ago that there is a national park in Canada near the Yukon Territory where they find one dead bear e three months and I'm talking about maturically dead, actually definitely dead. And yet still people like you, Henry, keep maintaining this myth that, oh no, we don't ever find any dead bears in the woods, therefore we can't expect to find bigfoot either. Well, it's just not true. It's just not true. And I'm surprised you didn't know about this because it's been widely spread around. In fact, to be fair, doctor Krantz is now dead. So therefore, during here investigations. During his investigations, he found talking to all these gang guys and game Morgans and things like that. In his investigations that there were no naturally dead bears found that Doctor Krantz personally know that I have. I've been to meetings with him and we have had many, many discussions. And this is before the days of email on the telephone. He got on the telephone and I used to talk to Renated Hinton as well, although that wasn't very much fun. And I have to tell you that doctor Krantz was not a good researcher. I'm aware of his attempts to find things about Bigfoot, but he wasn't very good at it, and he's been he had a lot of obligations at WSU to teach classes. I would say that doctor Meldram now is doing a little more research in the field than Krantz ever did. And what he found at the time, well it has now been was only in talking to some arrangers. I was able to find out that bears were found dead with one phone call, just one. I didn't take me five or ten years. I just won phone call. I checked out a place where there were a lot of bears and the rangers said, yeah, we find dead ones naturally, not ones that are shocked, but they just die of disease or whatever, old age, and we find them, and we find the phones. I think, I think you you resolved your scenario, so well, let's move There was plenty more, so you know, let's let's move on. And they were talking about the traps that disappear and ridiculing those. Oh okay, well that was a very that's the most serious issue there can be in all of bigfoot research. And I had people coming on saying, oh, well, ho ho ho, it had to be this, and ho ho ho, it had to be that. And yet those people were not tracked track. I am a tracker, okay, and tracking in the snow is actually a piece of cake. You could you you all these tracks were fresh, They were not days and days old. There was no melting involved. These were These were found within half an hour the time that they were laid down by Brian Smith. And there were no trees to jump in. There was no evidence of this. But going from tree to tree, these these were like trees were maybe I don't know, fifteen feets all of the most and they would have bent over and they it could have back track. That is the most time, Henry, I don't want to use a nasty word, but that is the most backward to make a pun backwards, David, I have ever heard from bigfooters, and I keep hearing it a lot. You can't backtrack to aything because, for instance, the ones that I found started from underneath the bush where the snow had fallen on it. So I want to ask you where would it? Where would that one in for y'all off Washington? Where would it? Backtack? Backtrack too? And why do you think I wouldn't catch that? Do you think I'm really stupid? I'm a good track I can tell if someone is walking backwards on their own tracks. It's a no brainer. There's a slight overlap. And sometimes Eric, we have collars wady, so they aren't as good as me. They don't have the information I have or the experience here. Goodbye, Eric. First of all, can I say something? Go ahead, Billy. I want to clear the air here really quickly, because I feel that I feel really bad for a man who can't be here to defend himself. Mister Grover Kran Mister Grover France was a wonderful man for what he did. He was a wonderful researcher. Sure the man may not have gone out into the field found you know, tracks, but the man knew how to study the tracks. That was the job. He knew how to do that. That was his profession. That's right, Billy, Billy. We have some more callers that's called him a color of me. Just nine are you go? Go ahead, you're here. He made a James Baker and Tom Lancaster. Yeah. How you doing all right? Oh? Pretty good? How you doing? I houckull We have you right, sir. Yeah, that guy he's full of a bunch of shit eaties, Yeah he is. We don't mind mister Beckerd's theory so much is when he starts abusing people. Yeah, And I want to apologize to my audience. Hang on, caller. I want to apologize for an audience for that disruption. Mister Beckyard. If you would conduct yourself a little more less confrontational, you might actually get the results instead of saying, oh, low, colors are as good as me, Bo, colors are as good as me. No, mister Beckyard, that's not how we operate. Sorry, And I do think in the beginning, like I said, it came out a lot calmer, and we started to listen now until he really tracked who he was, and then we asked the questions. But I think his calmness gave a little more validity. Is the word I'm looking for, you know? Yeah? I think I think we all need to laugh a little more, enjoy the hobby a little more. That be so damn serious. Exactly, he's got data. He's got some data, and so you present the data and let everybody else make up their minds. They don't force your conclusions on other people. Hi, guys, guys doing my only he don't talk over each other. Okay, guys, you know, let's get one at a time. Two six nine, you have a position for us? No, I was just joining it on the argument. Okay, well we've got another caller, so two six nine. You don't have anying to say. We're going to move off our caller if you don't mind. No, that's right, Okay, thank you to calling. Okay, let's see find one a here. They tell you are on the air with on the fast bussy space with well done it, hang on, click the butt you're on the air, well, Davis, Oh wait, but he got the villa mind Okay, find one a you are on the Fast Bush Experience with Short Word with Henry May, James Viaker, Billy Bard, and Tom Lankester. Hey, I just wanted to call in and let you guys know what a great job you're doing tonight. See I heard a little interruption with the doodle head, and I know he's still listening. And if he wants to commit, if he wants his own radio show, having commit, hav him sign up. There's a free account of blog talk radio and have his own radio show. Yeah, and that's that's my point. And a guy I agree with Billy on mister Krantz. Doctor Krantz has passed away. Let's match you know you can drink up in the name of it and a good good man by calling him a bad researcher, which is completely putter garbage. I too have known people that have spoken to doctor Plans first mania and they say it's quite the opposite. So I just want to let you know, guys, great stop, Billy, take guy Tom again, Henry, you buck all year and guys have a great eye. All right. See, thanks for telling the line up. See he's still there. See you're still there. He's doing I'm gonna when he got lined up for the bar and eye. That's okay, okay, Billy and Tom, I'm sup. We want to kind of wrapt things up a little earlier here. Final thoughts from I'm killing killing, No kill, definitely no kill, Uh, Henry, I just don't think it's necessary. Serience. Yeah. My feeling is that this creature hasn't We really don't have evidence that it's aggressive towards us, and it shows compassion towards other fellow the efforts like, for example, of our bigfoots. For example, bigfoot gets shot in a particular fighting report that I'm reading now, and other big foots come in and grab that injured bigfoot and carefully drag it away, showing compassion and then showing other early