Sasquatch Experience Classics: Ray Crowe (3/9/2008)

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Well, the lady anomalous entertainment.
You have reached the point of no return?

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What what are you reporting? We
got someone or something crawling around out

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here? Does a legend walk among
us working in the forests of our world?

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Did you see what it was?
Was it a person or an animal?

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Or I can't go. All I
know is that my denture light came

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on and I just have with a
glimpse and see this thing running across the

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yard, a good side man or
something. It looks like a man.

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I don't know what it was.
For over fifteen years, we've talked with

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scientists, researchers, investigators, and
witnesses trying to gain insult and proof around

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the existence of this mysterious entity.
Jesus great, sure, pel Hello,

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get somebody out of here. What's
going on? Amount? There's thought able

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pictures about sixty foot? All right? I don't know eas the amount there?

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Yes, I'm looking right out?
Oh? Okay? Is right?

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Is he your yard there? Yeah? Got your bigger? Okay? What's

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you do in your yard? What
can it be? You join us as

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we continue into the investigation of the
sun as watch experience. All right,

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Well, as we found out we're
finally on the air, and we apologize

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for that. Okay, it's all
right, Yeah, no problem. I

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didn't get the last of that sentence. What would you attribute to the success

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of the International Bigfoot Society two?
In terms of you know, collective cohesientists

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and you know, just staying together
and getting along. No high degree of

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variability. It's been forty some odd
years now since Patty came up, and

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nobody's really done anything positive except those
people who've gone out on branches of their

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own. So we encourage people to
do anything different because with the old wages

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aren't working so pretty much as you
encourage people to you know, come up

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with their own research methods and then
collectively share them, you know, to

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work towards the common goal of discovering
the animal. No, we're going to

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dictate on how the research is done. Yeah, exactly. And then I

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have a track record that I publish
all their results in and so done me

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a difference how wild or how far
in left field people do things. I

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publish it. Anyways. I give
them the right of that, and it

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keeps new ideas coming in all the
time. A lot of my consider a

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bit crazy, but still I give
the people the right to make their own

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observations and print them. One of
the questions we have from the squash Media

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chat room is from a gentleman by
the name of Jeff C. From Ohio,

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and Jeff's question is why is it
that there's nothing new coming out of

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the field. Oh, well,
I think the new stuff coming in all

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the time. MK Davis has been
one of the pioneers to my way of

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thinking. I recently had him come
and speak at one of our conferences and

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find that he's coming up with all
types of new concepts. One of them,

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for instance, he shows hair waving
on top of the thing, implying

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that there is no crest that a
lot of people thought of. It shows

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the thing moving his head from side
to side. People used to think they

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couldn't move his head at all,
that it was sort of fixed between his

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shoulders and had to move. And
he's come up with it looks like to

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be a possible braid in the hair
or the thing, which is actually a

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cultural phenomena, and things like this
are all brand new. We have Don

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Monroe working up in Idaho. He's
been exploring caves there and he's found evidence

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a big foot in the caves and
that Mama raises the little ones in the

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caves or they're protected, and they
actually moved things around. He found a

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large altarstone that was covered with bones
and he didn't know what they were,

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so he sent me one of them
and I had it chucked out and belonged

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to an extinct form of bison.
Why on earth they would do that?

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And we have no idea. But
it's questions like that that are really on

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the forefront of learning new things about
the creature. I understand a lot of

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the people over on year side of
the country frown on Mary Green and the

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stuff she's done. But I've read
her books and talked with her and met

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her and unfully behind the researchers that
she's done that she's found a lot of

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new things. For instance, it's
hibernating when it's school, semi hibernating when

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school in caves along the creek banks, things like that. Have you know,

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we've been suspected before, but we
never had actually anybody come out and

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tell us about it. Now,
do you think that all the pictures and

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purported video that Mary Green has brought
out of Tennessee, do you think that's

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hurt her credibility in any way.
Do you think maybe sometimes that she's gone

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out on a limb? Oh?
Well, of course, And that's what

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I'm saying. The people we respect
the most and seemed to be making the

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most forward motion are those that do
go out on a limb. If you

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sit back and sit on material,
it didn't do anybody any good, and

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we don't learn anything. Every little
tiny piece of information that we learn that

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we can ascribe to something. Another
one of the things she did was talked

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about the blackie creature going down on
all fours. Since then, I've had

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all kinds the reports of the things
that are on all fours, and I've

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encouraged our people to look close when
they see a bear running because it might

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very well be a creature down on
all fours. Things like this there's brand

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new to me. Maybe some of
your other people would run across them before,

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but I'm just now beginning to get
reports to come into this creatures even

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out here down down on all fours, I mean, Oregon, if nobody,

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if your people don't know where I'm
at, right, yeah, right?

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Or thank you for coming out.
Is that I know this was kind

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of the thing as how he has
to change our time. I was wondering,

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how the heck did you get started
on your bigfoot research? Excuse me?

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Back in nineteen ninety one, I
had a couple of Native American friends

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come to a book shop I owned. They told me about the big Foot

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phenomena. I, of course was
a skeptical and uh, I was wanting

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to write a short story at the
time about something, and this seemed to

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be a good topic. So I
went out in the field with him a

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few times, and they convinced me
there was a possibility of such a creature

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as this, and it's been going
strong ever since. Well, I read

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I read your biography that I got
from Henry that those that the guys that

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you went out with were a little
more extreme, you know, on the

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big fought squatch than you believe,
and that's why you kind of broke off

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in your own doing. Is that
why you believe that, you know,

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us researchers should do what we can
and not, you know, do what

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we believe the best way to do
it. No, the people I went

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out was were the kinds of were
there came mouflaged gear and they go armed

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and they spend most of the time
running back and forth in a truck,

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up and down the roads looking for
bigfoot. It's I've been a naturalist most

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of my life, and you get
out and you walk the trails slowly and

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quietly and look for significant things.
And although I had never up till that

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time, found anything that I would
have related to a big foot, after

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I was told what to look for, that is prints, hair on trees,

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broken trees, things of that nature, and I began to find them.

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This is what helped convince me there
was such a creature. From then

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on, everything has been uphill,
and I slowly broadened my horizons as I

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went. I found things that I
didn't care for about other researchers ideas,

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so I conceptualized my own. Wait, do you think one of the problems

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we have is that we spend too
much time trying to camouflage ourselves from these

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creatures. People that have sightings of
big Foot or sasquatch, they're just doing

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their normal, everyday activities. They're
not out there with the sole intent of

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purposes of finding one. Do you
think that maybe we are? You know,

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we're trying too hard to conceal ourselves, and that's part of the reason

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why we're so unsuccessful, Well,
I don't know what it has to do

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with the success or not. Because
somebody in camel gear has as much chances

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running across one as somebody partying and
having a beer bust. It's a matter

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of chance meetings. So you know, if they want to wear camel gear

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and get rid of all the sense
that they have beforehand, more power to

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them. But that doesn't seem like
they're being successful at all. Either it's

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still the off chances or the people
that are trying to habituate the creatures that

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see them the most. Yeah,
I think that, you know, what

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I'm trying to relate to is the
problems that we spend too much, you

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know, time out in the field, you know, not doing the typical

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things that would attract, you know, get the attention of one of these

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creatures, like you know, cooking
something interesting that you know that that's new

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or different or or what have you
out there that might attract you know,

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might pick their curiosity to bring them
in. Yeah. I've often thought that

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myself. But I've been out with
people, you know, going out bigfoot

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hunting before, and that's all I
can do. We keep up with them.

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You know, they're tramping along the
trails. Is fast, they can

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go to put on miles. But
like you say, if you sit back

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and cook something interests thinking, or
even though it's just regular hot dogs or

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there's been reports of rabbit cooking that
have attracted them in, I do think

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yeah, that would be a lot
more per firstful, even if nothing more

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just setting up potent. They can't
like to come in examine tents to see

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who or what's in them. Yeah, Ray, let me ask you,

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do you think that's that a One
of major problems with the field today is

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that there's not enough people wanting to
cooperate with each other, or perhaps there

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are something that personality conflicts and things
like that. Well, yes, and

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no things like that do happen,
But you know, it doesn't make any

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difference what fields you're interested in.
That is, if people in chemistry or

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physics or astronomy, they're all battling
each other on the ego trip, but

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there's always that group that are you
know, quietly is about a fact people

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might not even know who they are, but they're busy out there researching things.

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Astronomers are out looking for new comments, and physics people are out looking

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trying to solve some of the mathematical
problems, and progress does get done.

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This is why I say I respect
the things that Mary Green has done,

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because she did go out on a
limb. She reported everything. Whether people

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thought they'd like it or not,
she did it. And that's all in

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print. It's going to be there
for the rest of their lives, our

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lives. And whereas the other people
that are doing all the infighting and the

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getting on the internet and saying bad
things, you know, that's all gone

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now. It's in vacuum land.
It's not no longer there, so their

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opinions don't matter. That's very true. Ray, I have not received the

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newest track record yet. We've been
sitting out on the floor for sitting here

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on the floor for two weeks waiting
for me to get postage stamps. I

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don't know whether you're aware of it, but I've lost the leg a few

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years ago. I don't drive anymore, and I'm defendant fund somebody coming around

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to go grocery shop or take take
the try had a daughter take the track

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record over and be printed, but
I haven't been able to veil of her

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to get stamps to get the thing's
veiled with they're sitting here ready to go

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out. And that's just the July
issue. The August issue is over the

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printer so waiting to be picked up. That's the summary. So they always

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run a little light. And I
won't even start the September one till after

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September is over. Do you do
you have an address or something that our

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listeners could use to subscribe to that
newsletter. Well, sure, it's two

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two five North E thirty Avenue,
Hillsboro, Oregon, nine seven one two

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four And that's just twenty dollars for
ten issues. I don't do in November.

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In December when I take that off
to be with kids and grandkids after

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the shell. Right, we'll post
the address with your permission, of course,

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on our blog. Sure, maybe
you'll get a few more subscribers after

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that. Well, I hope.
So things are running pretty dry. I

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think a lot of times that you
know, with the with the you know,

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more common use of the internet,
what have you. I think some

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people lose lose that touch that it's
nice to have it there in front of

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you end paper. Well, yeah, it's nice to have it sit in

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the bathroom in the morning too.
And flip through it on paper. Besides

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which, like I say, almost
everything you put on the computer, in

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ten years we'll be gone, right. I'll tell you what, I whole

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hardly agree with that am bathroom break
and meaning to grab the letter. I

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swear I almost drop my laptop in
the sink one day anyway. So yeah,

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the issue of the track record,
I have those going all the way

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back to number one, and uh
so the and other people that have subscribed

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to have them also, so they'll
be around forever, sort of like maybe

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a Burns old newsletter or the lady
out of the Bay Area that did it

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if her name is slipped me now, don Keating did a newsletter Gostin's Cameron

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with her name. Yeah that's true, huh, And I don't know whatever

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happened to her. But still people
have all these old things. I have

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quite a few old ones myself kicking
around. I keep wondering if I had

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published them or not someday, but
so far the resources haven't been there to

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do that. We try to do
a news letter once, and I tell

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you, for the amount of subscribers
we had four it just wasn't worth it.

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So I commend you on your on
your newsletter and personally thank you for

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putting it out there for us.
I know a lot of us still appreciate

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it. I'm great, thank you
very much. Yeah, I've had a

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lot of fun with it over the
years, and it's sort of nice to

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be at a central point where information
is coming in all the time, interesting

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things, sightings, news clips,
jokes, all kinds of things are coming

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in, especially like some of the
art that I use for the covers.

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I try to do a different cover
every month, whatever the artist is that

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sends me in something neat neat.
I still have a few of them are

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sitting back in reserve yet to use
for church and future issues. I got

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to tell you where the first time, you know, my wife heard your

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name being front around the household many
times, but the first time she saw

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you was on Scott Harriet's DVD,
and she thought you were funnier than Scott

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Harriet. And that's why you didn't
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been a long time ago since that
DVD, and I've had a lot of

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appearances on other shows and things like
that, and I even chuckle at him

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myself every now and then. I
would recall being on one of the humor

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shows ones, you know, they
were going to try and make fun of

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you and stuff like that. But
the guy I was talking about the jetti

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and I was talking about it from
the Himlas, and he didn't know where

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the Himalayas were, so said,
will you get a couple of jebs in

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at him? That that was equally
is you know, what's the sense of

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being in this field if you're not
going to have a sense of humor about

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it? Yeah, I've had a
lot of fun. What'd you start to

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say, Henry? Oh? Hey, a question? God? That question

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from Bill Green. We have a
question from Bill Green for you, Ray?

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You Hey, Ray, what's your
what's new with your organ? Fastbach

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Streets or quarter? Have you been
interviewed by organ newspapers lately? Thanks for

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Bill Green. Oh, I don't
think I caught that. What was it?

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What was the question again, Henry, Henry, let me translate for

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you. It got pixelated, Henry. The question was Ray from Bill Green

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in Connecticut? What's new with your
organ? Research? Or research and organ

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and the newsletter? Oh well,
we just finished a week ago. A

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week and a half ago, we
had our annual get together up at Sweet

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home up in the mountain. It
was pretty heavily covered, with two pages

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in a newspaper covering it. They
went out for it, took the reporter

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out for a trip in the evening
to see if they could raise some big

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Foot appearances, but they weren't successful. They were able to do a lot

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of screaming with the recorders that's from
the Sierra and from the cascade and sounds,

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and nothing except the coyote they raised
up did here some breaking in the

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bushes once. It could have been
anything, but other than that, they

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had a good trip and it was
The reporter enjoyed it, and they're looking

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forward to next year. So there's
going to be another one next year.

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Then, Yeah, we've had them
every year and now for the last fourteen

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years. They get togethers and I
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Like I said, I had M. K. Davis come out for this

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year's and I had Don Monroe,
and we had quite a long list of

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people that were there speaking of one
aspect or another. Joyce Kearney came up

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from the Bay Area and she's into
the Native American ideas of big Foot and

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so forth. She told us about
a kachina doll that she had found over

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in New Mexico that had it was
furry and it was called locally the Trickster,

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and I had very well been based
on a big Foot character. MK

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of course told I told you already
some of the things that he had showed

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us. Don and Monroe talked about
his caves and had a lot of u

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We spent actually two days up there. We had a lot of guests that

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we just sent around the campfires talking. Had Peter Byrne come up and had

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his daughter. She was recently back
from a year down in New Zealand with

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friends. She had a lot of
experiences to relate from way down there or

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in the other hemisphere. And Peter's
busy working on his project over in Nepal.

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And uh, I can't think of
anybody else off hand right now.

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Well, hey, Ray, we
gotta take a small break for a minute

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here. We'll get right back to
a right afterwards. Con Okay, sure

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enough, I gotta take a break
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of men at the show. Oh
I love that promo. That's very cool.

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Yeah, Ray, I was just
going to ask you about the drop

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friend. I know that. Yeah, it's to hold it in Carson,

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Washington. Now you hold it in
uh just where the sweeth hauld organ.

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Yeah, what was that in?
I was saying that I know you used

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to hold to hold your conferences in
Nothing Washington, that you hold them in

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sweet hold organ. Oh yes,
it's about twenty miles out of Sweet Home,

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up in the mountains. There's a
place that has a little a frame

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places for people to sleep, and
a big camp fire area and a covered

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picnic area in case it rains,
and we've had rain in the past two

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It's a pretty nice place. People
like it really well, so we've been

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going there every year. It's hard
to get a reservation, though, so

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I'm worried about one of these years
we won't be able to get it in

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time, in which case will hold
them indoor when somewhere else. There's a

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several nearby towns places that you can
rent. You find that you get a

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large turnout. Well, we had
forty one this year. But because there's

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a reserve only so many sleeping places, we don't advertise wildly. If anybody

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wants to come, it's fine,
we invite them to. But if we

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would advertise widely, we'd have all
the town drunks coming in to have a

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big bonfire feast and drink out too, So we avoid doing that. Our

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advertising is mostly by the way of
the newsletter corna like kind of like the

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Oregan version of Burning Man. Huh. He has probably so, Yeah,

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I've never been down to that festival
before, but I understand there's a lot

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of fun. Now you've been doing
this how many years again in faineteen ninety

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one, ninety one? Now have
you gotten a lot of have you gotten

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a lot of footprints? And do
you do a lot of do you do

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more of? I know that you've
lost your leg and you're probably not as

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mobile as you were, But did
you do a lot of field research when

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you had the ability to, and
did you find anything interesting? Yes?

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Uh huh. That's early on,
and I, of course I didn't believe

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there was such a thing for sure. Yea in my group that I told

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you that took me out. The
matter of fact that there were people around

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made me suspect that I was having
my leg fold when I had it then,

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and so I had to go out
several more times before I finally decided

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the big foot thing was for real. One of the first things I found

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was a little sings print print,
barefoot print, and it was in a

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dried up mud puddle, but it
was in a place where you know,

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kids wouldn't be for any reason,
or there's no fishing around, So I

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suspected that might have been one of
the lower critters, but I wasn't really

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sure. So I went back by
myself and the one anybody else around,

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and I walked elk trails, and
finally I come across the sixteen sixteen inch

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track and the mud coming down a
slope, and then I was convinced there

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was such a thing as big foot. Since then, I've been out on

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several different expeditions where we found tracks
and trees broken and uh limbs put up

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in a pent like fashion. Made
me think that the creatures were around,

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and we'd get strange prints sometimes the
strangest of the ones that just sort of

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disappear for no reason at all.
A lot of us been looking for explanations

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for that and are not really hitting
any any good reasons for it. JAD

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going back to something we touched on
earlier in the show Ray when you were

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talking about researchers going out on the
limb. You know, MK Davis,

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who's done such great work in the
Patterson film, you know, over the

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last year or two, has really
been stanked over his views on what he

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believes Patty is, and his determination, of course, comes from what he's

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found in the video. What do
you think of MK's assessment. Oh,

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I think he's right on the money. I don't care for some of his

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conclusions, but in terms of the
actual observation, I was able to look

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at him myself. I saw a
good close up picture of that braid in

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Patty's hair. As a matter of
fact, it looks like it's even tied

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in with a bone or something.
I was able to see a digging stick

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that she carried and dropped. He's
using what he calls a flicker where they

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flick between frames so you can actually
see this motion. I've seen your head

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move all the way back from one
position to another, and I've seen the

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wind blowing the hair on top of
her head where these flicker motions before and

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some of the things he conclusions he's
drawn I don't agree with. I think

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some of the long sloped headedness might
because like some of the Indian traditions of

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tying a board to the head or
using these rope rope type things where they

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carry heavy weights with and I think
it's just an normal slope of the hip.

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There's other things also that I didn't
care for his conclusions on it.

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He had his digging stick, for
instance, he had pictures on it,

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one of his sites of rather elaborate
one from northern Mexico. I believe it

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was. I'm not sure that two
or three parts through it as opposed to

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this just looks like to be a
stick that the thing was carrying and probably

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using to turn over rocks and things. There's crawfish and freshwater clams up there

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along that quick that can be found
easily, and I think that's how it

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was. Another thing he found impossible
what he says impossible. Another creature in

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the woods. Just because the darkening
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flicker can't really see anything in actuality, so I'm not sure whether that one's

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good or not. Another one where
people say they see an arm around the

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tree. He actually flickered that and
the arm doesn't move at all, meaning

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that it's I don't know, a
branch or something else. It's not an

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arm. So anyways, like I
say, these actual observations are just out

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of this world, and I'm hoping
he makes a lot of brand new ones.

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I'll keep working on that tape and
others also, I hope. And

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this is the background in astronomy is
phenomenal anyway, that's what I think of

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MK. Nothing but applause for him. We've had, you know, Henry

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of course last Thursday night where last
Tuesday brow refresh my mind what day it

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was specifically was on the X Zone
radio show, invited on by one Calcorf.

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Cal Corf again raising is raising his
head on you know, the Patterson

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Gimlin film, and you know,
still continuing allowing Greg Long to make his

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character assassinations on Roger Patterson and Bob
Gimlin. No, and I think it's

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just a shame. Ray, what
do you think about these, you know,

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these of course continuous accusations that you
know, this film forty years later

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still being called a hoax. Yes, uh, there's nothing you can do

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about that. Forty years from now
people will still be calling you a hope.

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But I think it's pretty well proved
that it is such a creature.

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I did have Greg Long come down
and talk at our meetings once. Of

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course he angered everybody, but it's
still a good meeting. People are still

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talking about it yet, and yeah, there's nothing you can do about that.

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Then there's gonna be hoaxers out there. Also. Ray Wallace was a

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good friend. He's write a lot
of stuff with his but we all knew

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he was a trickster, and we
just sort of took it all in stride.

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And it's like you mentioned before about
keeping his sense of humor, because

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even the most worst worst hoaxers people
are telling him stories where they actually see

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creatures themselves, and he kept relating
these things had in their old ray Wallace.

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He had to interved an Indian down
around climate falls once and got quite

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quite a few bits of interesting information, which I was glad to get in

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print. But he's also sent me
copies of his tracks too, and they

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all looked just phony his heck and
you know, big thick things straight up

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and down edges obviously outlined when you
forget those are the ones he made by

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the pieces of wood. But even
those have become a historical art effects.

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Noalities passed away, And we've James
and I have embarked on a project Ray

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called a Squatch TV. Well we're
making small, little, you know,

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twenty minute you know videos, kind
of mockumentaries, but you know, on

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a serious note, trying to keep
the humor up while trying to conduct some

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you know, serious research. And
our first show, of course, is

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on casting a footprint, which neither
James or myself has done. So I

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think you can expect one of those
in the mail ray as soon as I

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can get one out of tea.
I think you might enjoy it. Okay,

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thank you? Yeah, huh yeah. I have some interesting stories on

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that myself. Very first one,
I tried to cast and plastered very liquid

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and I put it into the course
of immediately flowed out down into the dut

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or. It was pretty funny and
ruined the tracker, of course, taking

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a while to learn how to do
it. James and I were actually out

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in the field with our cameraman and
we got stopped by the Pennsylvania DCNR,

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and he was very very kind to
us. And the whole time I was

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trying to conceal the fact that I
was wearing a Pennsylvania big Foot Society T

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shirt, you know, And I
tell you what, it's kind of hard

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trying to hide your T shirt and
explaining while you're casting a footprint. What

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a time. Wow, that's very
true. The were you able to interview

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him and get some information? Oh
or not? I suppose if you're trying

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to hide your Pennsylvania shirt. I
have had some experiences in the past where

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I've tried to interview some rangers from
the DCNR and they haven't been too friendly

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to talk to. After that,
they've either gotten you know, blew me

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off like it was, you know, seriously dismissive like pop Boulder dash it

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doesn't exist. And then you get
the people that just won't say worthy,

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and they'll just turn around and yes, uh huh, but ever now,

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and then you'll get one and you
get a good story out of Also,

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we used to not worry about it. We knew automatically, and we go

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into the ranger stations and asked,
especially about the hidden logs. Almost all

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of them have a reputation of having
logs hidden of people that are reported big

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foot sightings. We were never able
to prove it and never able to see

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one, so we don't know whether
they exist or not. But it was

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fun asking for him and watching the
reactions of the rangers. Although we have

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one, we'll have to remember that
next video we make, we'll have to

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make a point of asking the rangers
some random questions because I think that might

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actually be a nice thing for the
audience to get an idea of that.

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One of the other things we were
worried about and doing that was the legality

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issues of filming someone and and what
you got to ask their permission, Yes,

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if you're going to fill them.
Yeah, we weren't carrying around any

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of those papers that said you wouldn't
see us for using your pictures were interesting

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enough. Ray a couple of years
ago, was on an expedition with the

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Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society and Ranger Tim Cassidy. He and I were actually what we

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came across what we thought was a
was a nesting area, and we found

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something that looked like a large cane
tooth, much bigger than our own,

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about the size of my you know, maybe a little smaller than my pinky,

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yeah, you know. And Ranger
Tim took it around to several of

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the different rangers inst you know,
anybody if they knew what this was,

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and of course no one could give
them an answer. I find it funny

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that when we sent it out for
something to look at, we get a

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response saying it was a dear hoof
core yea, And they're raring themselves defined

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And I've never heard of anything coming
back as a deer hoof coore. I

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don't know, man, I do
we have some pretty big mule deers out

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here, and uh you was given
a bone once supposedly from Florida, probably

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was from Florida. It was supposed
to be a finger bone of a sas

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squatch, or I should say,
rather that one of these uh ten foot

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skeletons that they find in the ground, whether it was a sasquatch or not,

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And that's not thought to doctor Grover
Cramps and he says, oh,

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this is easy, and it's ankle
bone of a deer. And so there's

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big mule deers. And fortuitously,
a couple of months afterwards, I found

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a dead uh skeleton of a mule
deer and looked down around the ankles,

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and sure enough there was an exacting
match. I gave that to somebody I

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don't even remember who now. So
the olden kicking around that point being is

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you know, you wanted to send
things like that to somebody who really knows

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was what they're doing, and to
get an answer. That's why I took

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that mentioned that bone that I got
from Don Monroe's teave. I took us

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to the Oregon Archaeological Society and I
had a specialist look at it as sous

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I will identify it as a knee
bone of extinct licen. Interesting and I

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have a question from w B d
I G. He says, does Ray

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think was mistakenly used the PG film
to judge the authentivity of other videos?

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Well, something about the PG film
to do what? I'm sorry I didn't

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get that question. I believe Henry
was asking a question from the chat room

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from Less Virginia big is it?
Do you believe it's a mistake to,

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you know, use the Patterson film
and comparison to the other ask which films

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out there? No, absolutely not. Why why? I don't know why

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they even think it would be a
mistake. It's a probably the gold standard

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of all bigfoot films, and then
we're able to judge from that. But

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we find a lot of variations in
different bigfoot body structures and things that we're

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learning a lot from that. Females
or males are all from different garden.

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I'd excuse my cold. I believe
that was a sneeze, right right,

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Okay, heard a noise in the
background and lost it. Quiet or I'm

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sorry, it's that allergy season kicking
up. Yeah, I should think I'd

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be pretty much over back there.
I would say they're in I'm not to

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be an up ray around here right
now. It's starting to pick up pretty

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severe. A lot of people coming
down with sinus infections and all these allergies

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really kicking up. I think like
six out of the ten people you talk

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to, everybody's having problems with allergies. So what it is, it's the

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leather changes and as the plants start
to die, alling gets higher in the

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air. Plus fact, there a
lot of times you're mowing and weed whacking

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plants because it's getting to be autumn, and so a lot of the stuff

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is just flying in the air.
Huh. Wife had me slaving away in

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the yard yesterday. I understand completely
thanks to one the bigfoot has the same

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problem. You know, there's an
awful lot of people that report they're not.

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One of them are noises as being
wheezing in the morning. If that

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might have something to do with it
also an allergy or a breathing problem.

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It's sort of like bulldogs they have
that causes them to squeeze. Isn't sorry?

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You go on with what you were
saying. No, No, actually,

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that's a really interesting idea. I
mean, Sean, I might have

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to look into that if if maybe
the big Foot, you know that we

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hear more sounds when the weather changes. One of the things that you said

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there that that's interesting to me is, you know, is it a breathing

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problem If a sasquatch does live in
caves, in fact, the air quality

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is going to be a lot different
in terms of you know, what they're

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actually breathing in. And perhaps some
sort of adaptation or whatever you'd like to

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call it has caused them to become
more suitable for that air. You know,

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sometimes there's more of a you know, sul you know, sulfur in

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the air, what have you.
And as opposed to them coming up to

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the surface and on land, you
know, maybe them kind of getting sort

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of an asshixiation from the oxygen level
or you know, just being a completely

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you know, different enough to cause
them to have a slight problem. I

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don't really know what the answer is. No, They're one of the things

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that where you just keep collecting information
on and yeah, sort of a hit

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list of weird things anonomies I call
them, and maybe once I'll get something

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that was completely off the wall.
Like I mentioned, they're running around on

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all fours. That was the only
report I had until I started looking into

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it, and the more I gotten
into the war reports, I started running

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it across, so the actually believed
it. Then a content from the chat

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room we just got regarding the big
foot breathing difficulty from thunder Hawks saying it's

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the big Foot Stars. It's a
big foot foot stars that the respiratory virus

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or infection that was going around up
in you know, parts of Canada and

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over and China and whatnot. It's
the big Foot Stars. Okay, I'm

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not familiar with that, I guess. And uh like the bird flow the

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00:44:55.000 --> 00:45:00.719
bird again, kind of like the
bird flow, Yeah, okay, huh.

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And he walked around in his country. I think he's from the Dales,

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put up east up to clock of
this drainage system. And we had

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a report once the guy had gone
in and he had found a dead deer

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with a head gone never did find
the head, big foot tracks all around

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it, and he'd gone down and
it was important, and he'd gone down

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to the ranger station and had a
ranger come back with him and documented,

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and she plaster cast in some of
those tracks and took him back to the

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ranger station and they smelled so bad
they didn't keep him around, and sort

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of interesting to get that neat confirmation
of killing a deer magic melt that in

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and just threw it in and getting
close to the end of year show.

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Now, okay, fALS, we're
gonna take another break and we will be

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right back. And guys, what
a great show we've had here tonight.

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Ray, thank you so very much
for joining us. Appreciate you taking the

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time out and sitting down and discussing
Sasquatch with us here at the Sasquatch Experience.

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Yeah, you're more than welcome to
Sean, you know, once again,

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beginning to Henry also, go ahead, Ray apout it no problem.

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Oh you said you'd buy to Henry
also and h yeah, there's no problem

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at all. I enjoyed being on
your show, Sean. Well, we

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enjoy having your Ray. And once
again i'd like to say thank you for

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you know, continuing to put out
the track record and just helping us keep

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the spirit of Sasquats alive as we
discussed, you know, and and hold

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these conferences and have these shows and
just all around and enjoy the friendship and

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00:46:52.639 --> 00:47:04.000
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