July 1, 2025

Sasquatch Experience Classics: Melissa Hovey (3.25.2007)

Sasquatch Experience Classics: Melissa Hovey (3.25.2007)

Another dive into the archives, Melissa Hovey talks Texas Bigfoot and more. PLEASE LIKE, SUBSCRIBE, RATE, AND REVIEW ON ALL PLATFORMS: YouTube, Facebook, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Spreaker, or wherever you listen! Sean Forker hosts SASQUATCH...

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Another dive into the archives, Melissa Hovey talks Texas Bigfoot and more.

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On this edition of Sasquatch Experience Classics, Sean, Henry and

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Baker talk with Melissa Hovey, a researcher from Texas, about

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her endeavors in the field as well as her hopes

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around the future of bigfoot research. This was record on

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March twenty fifth, two thousand and seven.

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Well, good evening everyone. Is that time of the week

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again for the Sasquatch Experience. I'm your host, Sean Forker

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alongside Henry May, joined the night by James Baker and

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the very beautiful Melissa Hovey. How are you doing tonight, everybody?

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Oh?

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Great, great, great, Sean great and.

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Looking forward to this me too, Melissa. Thanks for joining

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us tonight. James Baker's there often off far in the distance,

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but with us going to field his questions to us

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as we go along here, Henry, what do you got

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for us in terms of news this week?

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Well, not a whole lot as far as news, I guess, hmm,

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what has been going on? There's just not a whole

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lot going on.

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You know.

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There's a story about the arvybil woodpecker which is being

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sought in Texas, and oh, this is an interesting news item.

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Now scientists create a sheep that's fifteen percent human.

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Wow. That is interesting, like jelly madison fifteen percent human. Wow. Now,

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now going back to the Ivybilt woodpecker, Henry, I was

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reading somewhere that a scientist believes that was what was

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ever photographer caught on film was not an ivybill woodpecker.

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Do you remember seeing that.

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Yeah, some of them think it's what they call a

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piolated woodpecker, which is very similar. It's also a large woodpecker,

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much like the ivy build. But apparently the Armory build

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has a very distinctive we call it wing wing pattern,

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and that's how they were able to determine that it

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was an army build.

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Okay, so that's how they were able to tell it

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was because of the wing pattern. So this other gentleman

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or ever doctor, whoever they may be, is saying that

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they've misidentified it.

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Well, they're saying that they've misidentified it as an army buil.

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But you know, some of them, some of the skeptical scientists,

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think it's appilated with pecker. So you know, there you go.

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Well, it's still important in terms of you know, in

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terms of discovery, and then just to show, you know that, well,

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what could be one man's huge find is another man's,

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you know, a chance to prove someone else wrong. It's

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now it's kind of funny because now there's even that

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certain percentage of doubt that it could even be an

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ivory bill with pecker. Yeah right, and that's right in

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front of him. Yeah.

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People have been seeing this thing and they've seen it now.

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They're looking for it in Texas, they've seen it in Arkansas,

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they've seen it in the pananimal of Florida. These people

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are seeing something, you.

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Know, that's very interesting. I just every once in a while,

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folks whould like to talk about our other fellow cryptids.

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So it's a little bit, you know, to go off

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on a tangent from the sasquatch every once in a while. Right,

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But that is a little bit of interesting news that

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in the fifteen percent human sheep.

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Yeah, yea, glad to have you here, Hahn, How are you.

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I'm doing good, that's good.

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Matter of fact, let's see.

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Oh, yes, Henry and Melissa, tomorrow collectively is your birthday.

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Yep's birthday to Melissa.

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Yeah, happy birthday to you two. Henry.

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You guys are both turning eighteen again, I see, so, yes,

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how does it feel to be so young?

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Feels great to me. Oh, we have a comment from

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the chat room. Tom Sheen says, how about the clouded leopard?

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You know, I'm not familiar with that. I'm not too

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familiar with that.

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But if Henry a week and he'll be up to date.

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You know, we don't want to be accused of being

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horrible researchers again, So right, well, we'll wait a little

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bit to tackle that one, folks, But thank you for

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bringing that to our attention. Tom Good, Old Hollywood. Yeah, well,

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let's to tell us a little bit about your research

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in Texas. I know recently you've been out, you've been

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out in the field on a few expeditions, and just

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tell us a little bit about your expeditions, but more

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so your research in Texas well.

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Actually I have I haven't been on an expedition since

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last year. But when I go out in Texas on expeditions,

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you know, groups of two or more. It's always in

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conjunction with the TBR scene Fixfoot Research And they've now

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changed their name so they're now known as the Texas

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Fixfoot Research Conservancy.

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You changed that one little word and it throws me

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off completely. I tell you what I know.

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Yeah, I keep I keep messing up to don't feel bad.

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But so when I go out with them, I'm really

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kind of reluctant to actually discuss what I do in

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the field because they have excellent spokespeople, one being Craig Willheater.

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He's a great man and I'm more than happy to

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let him talk for the group. And Daryl Collier, he's

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another great guy. He does the majority of the planning

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for the larger expeditions. And but recently here they just

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posted about the January two thousand and six expedition into

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the Big Thicket. That was my first full expedition, and

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it was it was a large it was a large

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group of people and we were out there for approximately

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I believe it was five or six days, and I'll

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tell you it was, it was. It was a week.

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It was a tough week.

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So yeah, from what I read, you weren't drinking enough

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of water, which I can't stress the importance enough to

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everybody out there who does go into the field to

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make sure you're plenty hydrated right right.

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And you know, since since all of that, I learned

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that very quickly you know, being from the north, you're

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just not subject to the type of to the kind

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of heat and humidity that you have down here. So

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if you're not pushing fluids out there, I mean, you're

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not doing yourself any favors. So always do that, yea.

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Even definitely, even more so down south where it is

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a lot hotter. Right, It's even enough up here during

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the daytime when you're out hiking up in Pennsylvania and

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it's one hundred degrees outside with one hundred percent humidity,

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And I'm not exactly a, as they say, in the

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best of shape. So it doesn't help either going out

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there in the forest looking for Bigfoot and sweating. Crisco.

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Well, I think we all could be doing a little

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bit better in that respect. But I mean down here,

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I mean, I'm I mean I probably when I went

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on this expedition, I mean I I wasn't I would

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consider myself in good shape. But I'm telling you, during

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the daytime, even in January in the state of Texas,

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even in the even in that time of the year,

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I mean, during the day it's hot and you sweat,

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and but then at night it gets so cold, you know,

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I mean, you can actually see your breath in front

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of your face. And I think a lot of it

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is just, you know, the extremes is what gets to

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you physically.

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So transition between hot and cold.

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Right right, And that that was the way it was

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in Chicago. I hated that. Yeah, yeah, So, I mean

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it's it's something that the researchers here really have to

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deal with. And I mean I give them all kinds

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of credit because it's not easy, but it's not and

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that we have to learn to deal with. So and

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I learned that lesson the hard way.

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Well not just the extreme weather, but you guys have

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a more so of a variety of wildlife than we do.

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Some of that very dangerous. I have to watch out

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for snakes. You guys have all kinds of things to

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watch out for. So Sean Palker might be postponing his

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trip to Texas to research Bigfoot for a few more years.

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Yeah. I mean when I first moved down here, I

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mean I knew that, you know, this was the Palace

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and and I realized that that they had snakes and

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things like that, but I guess the reality reality of

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it really didn't hit until I started going out into

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the field with these people, and you know, you start

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hearing things like, well, you definitely need to buy snake boots.

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Oh yes, you know, things like that bear spray, you know,

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and then you start thinking about it. They're going on,

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I'll wait a minute. But you know, I mean, after

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being out there a couple of times, you know, you

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you start to know what to do and what not

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to do, you know, and the fear kind of starts

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to subside, and you know, you just do what you're

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there to do. You know, you just know not to

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walk up to the side of a lake or a

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river and you know, hang over the edge. You know,

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just something that you don't do.

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I'm afraid of possums. I don't like them very much.

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Oh I don't like Darren Magillo.

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Yeah, they scare the crap out of me.

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Possums poms around here. We have this one little white

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faced possum. He is so funny. We we he's been

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around here since he was little, you know, and he'll

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give the trash. Can you know. My mom will see

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him in there, she'll chase him out of there, and

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he'll run a little bit, look back, run a little bit,

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look back.

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Now you know. Henry's from Mississippi when he has a

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pet possum hanging.

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Around right, and raccoons. So we got raccoons too.

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They're like rats the side of the Small Dogs.

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Fact, the Melissa's story here, guys. So, so you're out

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on expedition, come across anything interesting.

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Well, being in a in an organization the size of

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the TBRC, you have the opportunity to do things that

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you don't you wouldn't normally do if you were just

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out there with somebody. You know, it's just like a

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group of two or three researchers. With the TVRC, we

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actually can organize day operations and night Basically, that means

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we have researchers in the field in the middle of

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the night, and then during the day we have day

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teams that go out and look for evidence of things

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that could have possibly happened the night before, like tracks

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or anything like that. And or you know, the day

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teams will go and scout out a new potential area

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to research for the night before or the night the

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night to come. So, I mean, that's that's always pretty interesting.

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The first night I was out, the first night I

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arrived down there, I actually slept out on a sandbar

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and Uh, that was interesting for me because I'm you know,

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a lot of people like to pick on me about

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the fact that I'm such a city girl. But I

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stayed out on a sandbar all night and it got cold.

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But as far as interesting, I mean, I it's really

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that's something that's really hard for me to say because

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you just, you know, I don't know what to compare

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interesting too. At this point, I tried to stay very

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objective about what I hear, or see or or anything

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out in the field unless I was to actually walk

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up on one of these animals. You know, I really

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try to stay as objective as I possibly can. Now

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if I'm walking through the field one day and I

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actually bump into one, things will probably change. But I

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can say that the Saturday morning that we were there

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in the field. That morning, I was on a day

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team with a couple other researchers, and I came across something,

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and I to this day, I still don't have a

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good explanation for what it is. And I mean I

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don't know. I know. We tried for well over an

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hour to push out whatever it was into the open

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into a clearing so that one of us could get

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a visual and we just were not able to do it,

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and whatever it was, which is kind of would go

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out further into the brush, which was really sick and

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it was really thick, dense brush in this area. But

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then as soon as we would go back, whatever it

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was would circle back and come back to where we

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all started, and then we would just start this all

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over again. So I don't know what that could have been,

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but I'm sure there's probably a logical explanation for it.

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I just don't know what it is yet. So I'm

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looking for people might have ideas.

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don't know what made it or what caused the experience

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I had. And it's always healthy to keep that certain

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amount of objectivity and skepticism because you don't want to,

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you know, make assumptions, right because then in the end

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you're the one that looks horrible over it.

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out there to make assumptions. You're out there to get evidence,

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and evidence is proof of what you're seeing or not.

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So if you jump to conclusions, then you're really negating

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the whole process. You're there to get evidence, period and

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that's the way I approach it.

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So what do you say to those that are out

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there and they believe beyond a shadow of a doubt

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or what they've seen, that they have no evidence to

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back it up, no supporting and you know, anything corroborative

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to their story. You know, what do you say to

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them go out and try to collect better evidence, or

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especially the people that have made up their mind that

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they're one hundred percent positive what they've seen.

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Well, I think it all depends. I mean, I have

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two different standards, you know. I mean, and you've got

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to in this. There's the witnesses that are not involved

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in bigfoot research. These are just your normal, part everyday

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person who's just doing what they do.

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Now, let's be clear one thing. For the audence, she

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says she has two sets of standards, not meaning she

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has double standards.

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Right right, thank you. I mean, these are just the

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witnesses that report via the website or they dial an

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eight hundred number. These are just people and if they're

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if they're good witnesses, they're just reporting something that they've

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seen and they don't understand what it was, and they're

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hoping somebody can help them figure that out. But then

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when you have researchers out there who are out there

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specifically to try to either prove or disprove this animal's existence,

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I think the bar is a little higher for the

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standard of evidence that they bring in. I mean, I'm

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less likely to you know, just jump right behind a

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researcher who says, oh, my gosh, I heard the animal.

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I heard it made? Would not I did? I was

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there and all, my goodness, I couldn't believe it. Well,

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then you ask them, do you have it on video?

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Do you have any audio recordings?

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Though not to mention the facts that we still don't

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have any evidence that wood knocks are conclusive, right, you know,

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are conclusive proof that they are made exclusively by sasquatch.

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We don't know that, right, But I mean, I think

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that the standard of proof has to be higher for

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the researcher, because that's the person who's supposed to be

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out there doing the work.

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But don't you think one thing that would be more

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beneficial to us as researchers is having that standardized, you know,

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method methodology standardized, you know what's accepted as evidence. I do,

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and we don't have that yet.

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But then the problem also becomes at that point, and

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I totally agree with that way of thinking. I do

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think that certain things in this need to be standardized.

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But then you come across the issue of how do

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you get researchers to go along with this? Because you

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have to remember researchers out there, I'd say ninety five

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percent of them are independent, and you can't force people

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to do something.

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And then there's also the part of that that says, hey,

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wait a minute, because it's generally accepted doesn't mean that's

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the correct way to do things either.

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Right exactly. So I mean, how do you get people

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that are, you know, outwardly and very happy about the

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fact that they're independent, they're not taking marching orders from anyone.

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How do you get them to accept and then incorporate

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these standards into their research.

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See. I don't think there's anything wrong with being independent,

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but I think there has to be some sort of standardized,

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you know, set of rules we follow, set of I'm

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searching for the term here. I just don't have it

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at the moment. Verbally, you know, there has to be

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that those standards set a standard operating procedure, if you would, right,

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you know, we have to have that.

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Well, science has that. I mean, I don't think that

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when other scientists are out in the jungle searching for

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new animals, I don't think that they're just doing it,

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you know, and not keeping up with or not keeping

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track of what they're coming across. They're doing things that

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are methodical, and they're doing things to document every step

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of the process. And that's what we're going to need,

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I mean, especially for people like me who don't want

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to have to kill the animal in order to prove

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that it exists.

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And I'm definitely with you on that. I'm a very

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big proponent of the no kill philosophy and I'm going

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to stay that way. I don't think we need to

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kill kill a creature to prove its existence.

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But the only way to do that though then because

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I don't think video is going to be the only

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thing that did it. But then I'll do it. They

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all think, yeah, And I don't think a footprint is

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going to be the only thing that does it. It's

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going to be how researchers actually compile and how they

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they present the evidence that they have collected. It's gonna

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come out to Okay, yes, I have a video of

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this animal, but at the same time, I have footprints

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of this animal, I have this, I have recordings I

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have You know, it's gonna come down to how much

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evidence do you have to throw on the table all

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at the same time.

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The quality of quantity of evidence is going to help us.

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Just what you're saying, I have this to say.

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You know, those who say that footprints are not physical evidence,

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well we need to Hindon put it so bluntly, he said,

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you know people, he said, people say the footprints are

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not physical evidence. He said, let's see, he said, how

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would you like if I hate you over the heads

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of those footprints plaster casts? Don't you think that would

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be physical?

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Well, but the point is it is physical evidence, but

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it's secondary, meaning that we did not see it. We

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did not physically see something make that footprint. I mean,

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it's all nice and dandy, didn't want to want to

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try to make that physical evidence. But unless you saw

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the sasquatch stick is slit in the mud, you know,

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we have no proof what made it. I mean, look

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at you know, all these years later and Ray Wallace

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still makes all the fake bigfoot prints in America, you

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know what I mean. And the guy's been dead now.

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Yeah, well, well the evidence we have. The only time

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that a sasquatch has been seen making tracks for sure

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was actually filmed, and of course that was the Paterson

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Gimlin movie.

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And then there's still those that debate that that's actually

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you know, a man in the suit. So well, that's

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going to be the problem with video too, unless it's

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high quality and a shot from multiple angles. And you know,

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we're asking for the impossible in terms of physic and

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video evidence, but that's what it's going to take.

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Right. Well, you know, here within the last few weeks,

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a couple of guys that we both know, Billy Willard

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and Tom Lancaster, they actually posted on their website how

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they I mean, they step by step methodically put down

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on paper the graph and I mean, you can't even

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imagine how great that this is.

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And that's exactly what needs to be done.

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Right. They took an entire scene and they broke it

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down and they put it on paper and you can

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look at this and see the exact alleged pathway that

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this unknown animal took. And I mean I thought that

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was phenomenal and more researchers should pay attention because it's

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going to be. It's going to be things like this,

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you know, how people put it down on paper and

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how you're documenting your evidence that's going to turn the

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head of science. Now.

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I've actually been out in the field with Billy Willard,

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and I tell you what, if I ever go out

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in the field with anybody again, I'd like it to

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be Billy Willard because I learned quite a bit from

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him that night we were out, and he's just a

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fun person to go out with, but he's always in

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tune of what's going on around on them.

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He's always both him and Tom.

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Why I haven't had the privilege of going out with Tommy,

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and I did speak to Tom on the phone one

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night we were out in the field. But Billy and

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Tom know their stuff and they're really right now. I'd

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consider them some of the top researchers in America.

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I really would, right and you know I mean, And

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regardless of whether or not you think after looking at

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this information, whether or not you think what they what

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they actually outlined and graphed is actual Bigfoot movement, whether

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or not you think that it's all secondary, in my opinion,

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the fact that these guys actually put the paper the

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way these different scenes I think, in my opinion, should

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be cataloged, and they set it down. I mean, and

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I looked at that and I thought, you know, that's

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that's some damn good work.

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I wanted to refer back to something Sean said earlier,

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referring to if we can get good video footage. Well,

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you know, some researchers, some researchers, what they want to

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do is, you know, they say that if you can

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get footage of a sasquatch doing something which would be

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physically impossible for a man to do, you know that

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video footage would go a long way towards perhaps proving

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you know, that the sasquatch exists.

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Well that's fine, but unfortunately, to this date, I have

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not heard sasquatch do anything that a man cannot do.

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And that's talking from a strictly flesh and blood aspect.

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Well, I think at this point, I think I'd just

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be happy to see clear footage of a masquatch. I mean,

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I'm with you there, yeah, I mean it's nice to

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say those kinds of things that, you know. I mean,

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at this point, we just have to hope and pray

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that we get the best possible footage that we can.

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I mean, I don't know even if the best possible

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footage is ever going to be enough, but I mean, yeah,

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it would be nice to be able to get on

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film Sasquatch doing something that that a normal man couldn't do.

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But I mean, realistically, I'll just take it on film, period.

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Quality film. And there's so much technology after today that

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that shouldn't be you know, that shouldn't be a problem. Yeah,

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it continually is One thing I was always asked by

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Rob McConnell is with so many digital you know, cameras

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and digital equipment and cell phones, why isn't there you know,

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the definitive proof, definitive picture of Sasquatch. And the problem

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is when you're and I'm just going to go off

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on a tangent for a second, and the technological aspect,

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when you look at a cellular phone camera or video camera,

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you're looking at what at one point three megapixel camera, right,

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You're not looking at a very high quality camera that

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can do, you know, anything more than just take a

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low res picture. And so, first of all that that's

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a moot point because it's just you're not going to

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get that kind of picture from a cellular phone. The

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other thing is these creatures, and this is just speculative only,

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I think they're able to recognize metallic objects rather they

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be guns, knives, video cameras. The point is when you

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point something out a creature, and you can do this

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experiment with deer or other wildlife, when you pull something

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out at them that they're not expecting and try to

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take even a picture of them, they're not going to

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appreciate it too much and they're going to try to

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run from it. They're not going to stick around.

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It's kind of like when I try to take a

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picture of my dog. She won't stay in one spot

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for no parent reason. If I stand there five seconds later,

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she'll sit there and look at me like she knows,

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But the second I pull that camera out, she bolts.

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You know. It's just you know, and I think part

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of the reason is that is, you know, all kinds,

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all electronics emits some kind of frequency, and animals, you know,

459
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just have that natural ability to sense those things that

460
00:25:04.599 --> 00:25:09.400
we wouldn't necessarily pick up on. And that's just my

461
00:25:09.640 --> 00:25:12.000
theory on that. Take it what it's worth, my two cents,

462
00:25:12.039 --> 00:25:16.960
but that's what I believe.

463
00:25:17.799 --> 00:25:21.119
Well, yeah, I've heard all kinds of theories as to

464
00:25:21.200 --> 00:25:25.519
why we're not able to get this animal on film,

465
00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:31.319
and I just think, honestly, it's just the cameras are

466
00:25:31.319 --> 00:25:33.440
not in the right place at the right time. I

467
00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:38.920
don't think it's some big, you know, mystery about how

468
00:25:39.119 --> 00:25:42.640
an animal can sense the camera. I really don't believe that.

469
00:25:42.680 --> 00:25:45.279
I think that like in situations like when you have

470
00:25:45.319 --> 00:25:49.200
an animal in your home, like you know, the the

471
00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:53.039
gentleman that was just saying, I think that's because probably

472
00:25:53.119 --> 00:25:55.759
the dog had been flashed before in the eyes and

473
00:25:55.839 --> 00:25:59.319
the dog will remember that. So I mean, it's like

474
00:25:59.680 --> 00:26:01.960
you've just trains your dog to stay away from you

475
00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:05.000
when you have a camera. So I think that it's

476
00:26:05.039 --> 00:26:05.759
things like that.

477
00:26:06.160 --> 00:26:08.359
But at the same time, you're not having cameras in

478
00:26:08.400 --> 00:26:10.720
the right place at the right time. Why are we

479
00:26:10.759 --> 00:26:12.559
putting up game cams.

480
00:26:12.200 --> 00:26:14.559
Well, hopefully they'll be in the right place finally for.

481
00:26:14.920 --> 00:26:16.680
Or why I haven't they yielded results. I mean, we

482
00:26:16.720 --> 00:26:20.599
can get bears on game cams and you're another wildlife,

483
00:26:20.640 --> 00:26:22.759
but at the same time, we're also dealing with a

484
00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:27.920
creature that's that may have some form of intelligence, But.

485
00:26:28.039 --> 00:26:31.680
It also could be though too, that we're getting deer

486
00:26:31.759 --> 00:26:34.920
and bear on game camps, because there's so many more

487
00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:40.039
of those than the possibility of a Sam squatch walking

488
00:26:40.119 --> 00:26:43.240
in front of a game cam. I mean, I would

489
00:26:43.279 --> 00:26:47.240
probably get the numbers are probably nowhere's near? Is high?

490
00:26:47.880 --> 00:26:48.960
Is what some people think?

491
00:26:49.279 --> 00:26:52.400
Definitely not, But just for the sake of, you know,

492
00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:56.799
continuing this conversation, if we put these cameras out for

493
00:26:56.839 --> 00:26:59.559
extended periods of time and areas where they have a

494
00:26:59.680 --> 00:27:04.480
large amount of a sasquatch activity, Dan Paul, if you're

495
00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:09.079
familiar with Tom Powell's book The Locals, one thing I

496
00:27:09.160 --> 00:27:11.519
can say is that there are some interesting pictures of

497
00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:15.799
shadows or shadowy images, but nothing that can be deemed conclusive.

498
00:27:15.880 --> 00:27:17.920
And those pictures were on the BFUR website if you

499
00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:21.079
went on his book, and I'll post that link on

500
00:27:21.119 --> 00:27:24.519
the website after the show on the blog and you

501
00:27:24.519 --> 00:27:26.480
can see what I'm talking about if it's still up.

502
00:27:27.400 --> 00:27:30.079
But it was pretty interesting, and that was an ongoing study,

503
00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:33.559
but it still yielded no conclusive results, right.

504
00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:36.160
But I mean it also could boil down to shutter speed,

505
00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:39.279
you know, and there's so many other variables that work

506
00:27:39.359 --> 00:27:41.960
into that. I mean, I'm not. I'm just not ready

507
00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:43.960
to say that. I mean, I'm not saying that this

508
00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:46.319
is not a smart animal. It very well could be.

509
00:27:46.559 --> 00:27:48.599
I don't know. But at the same point, I'm just

510
00:27:48.640 --> 00:27:50.000
not at the point where I'm ready to say that

511
00:27:50.039 --> 00:27:52.359
this animal is so smart you can figure out what

512
00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:53.200
a game can is.

513
00:27:53.599 --> 00:27:55.640
I don't think it's smart enough to be able to

514
00:27:55.720 --> 00:27:58.119
recognize what an object is and do avoid it's detection.

515
00:27:58.519 --> 00:28:00.559
I think it is smart enough to really that when

516
00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:05.079
a human being pulled something out that is not recognizable

517
00:28:05.119 --> 00:28:08.240
to them, or maybe something that they do recognize from experience,

518
00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:13.279
they can they know that it's something that they don't

519
00:28:13.279 --> 00:28:15.240
want to be involved with, you know what I mean.

520
00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:18.640
It's not exactly intelligence more so than instinct.

521
00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:23.240
Yeah, well, it's pointed at them. You know, they're gonna think,

522
00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:24.880
oh my god, it's a gun or you know.

523
00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:26.400
Well, that's what I mean. I mean, you're not gonna

524
00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:29.480
take a camera after a bigfoot then take pictures of it,

525
00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:31.240
you know, hold it out to you and take a

526
00:28:31.240 --> 00:28:34.279
picture to the side. You've got like five seconds to

527
00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:35.599
take the picture of the lifetime.

528
00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:38.359
Well, but then you're also but then you're also going

529
00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:41.240
against the fact that there's researchers out there who believe

530
00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:45.039
that the animal is attracted by shining objects. So, I mean,

531
00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:47.759
it's half a dozen of won and you know so,

532
00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:51.839
I mean, it's kind of it's really difficult to say.

533
00:28:51.880 --> 00:28:54.799
For sure. It would be nice to at least just

534
00:28:55.400 --> 00:28:56.920
get a picture of a period.

535
00:28:58.920 --> 00:29:00.920
It would be wonderful to have that picture. But do

536
00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:05.160
I think we're gonna get it? No, No, Unfortunately, I

537
00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:08.160
think if anything's gonna happen, and this is a very

538
00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:12.440
grim approach, I think that perhaps that someone from the

539
00:29:12.440 --> 00:29:17.359
pro kill component proponent might get one, or hopefully what

540
00:29:17.480 --> 00:29:19.880
I hope happens. And folks don't take this the wrong way,

541
00:29:19.880 --> 00:29:22.279
but I hope one day that a logging truck smacks

542
00:29:22.279 --> 00:29:24.079
into one.

543
00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:27.200
Well I'd rather see that happen than somebody take one

544
00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:28.039
out with a shotgun.

545
00:29:28.160 --> 00:29:30.279
Me too, sure, So.

546
00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:37.759
I was gonna say something, oh about Oh shoot, I forgot.

547
00:29:39.079 --> 00:29:42.799
It'll come to me. It's nothing, Oh now, yeah, I remember.

548
00:29:43.640 --> 00:29:50.839
Apparently some some researchers have speculated that sometimes these creatures

549
00:29:50.839 --> 00:29:53.880
can smell metal, like a gun or a camera. And

550
00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:58.440
that's why, you know, they're able to avoid being seen

551
00:29:58.680 --> 00:30:01.200
so much. You know, if if they know you've got metal,

552
00:30:01.759 --> 00:30:04.160
if they can smell that metal, then may or they'll

553
00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:04.640
avoid you.

554
00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:11.720
Hell. But then there's also that theory that we were

555
00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:14.359
talking about a few weeks ago about the Sasquatch and

556
00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:17.279
attracted to you know, I talked about Henry the trailers

557
00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:19.200
or whatever, shiny metallic objects.

558
00:30:19.400 --> 00:30:22.079
Yeah, that was last week. That was last week, the

559
00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:24.000
ever controversial Lauren Coleman.

560
00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:27.480
Well, and you know, he has his rights to his

561
00:30:27.559 --> 00:30:30.519
theories as everyone else does. But but the one thing

562
00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:35.519
to understand is that we're talking theory. And the one thing,

563
00:30:35.559 --> 00:30:37.480
Melissa that I love about you the most is that

564
00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:44.920
you're more science. You're more science than theory. And you know,

565
00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:47.039
to take a step back, theory.

566
00:30:46.839 --> 00:30:50.839
Helps us come up with ideas to help push this

567
00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:55.599
forward in that research. But it's going to be the

568
00:30:55.640 --> 00:30:58.640
technology and the science that's going to prove it to

569
00:30:58.680 --> 00:30:59.960
the world exactly.

570
00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:01.799
But in order to come up with these hypotheses, we

571
00:31:01.880 --> 00:31:04.119
have to theorize, right, And you know, it's all a

572
00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:06.119
very important part of the scientific.

573
00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:09.160
Process, right, And I completely agree with that.

574
00:31:09.920 --> 00:31:11.119
I mean, if we're not going to come up with

575
00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:13.319
the ideas that we're just not going to be able

576
00:31:13.359 --> 00:31:16.759
to you know, if we're not coming up with more

577
00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:19.400
ideas and we're just not very good researchers.

578
00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:23.519
Right, it has to be a critical part of your

579
00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:27.279
research coming up with ideas. What's next? You know, what

580
00:31:27.319 --> 00:31:29.319
are you going to do next? Move forward? What did

581
00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:32.039
you do this last time that you thought maybe could

582
00:31:32.039 --> 00:31:33.680
have had a little bit of success. What are you

583
00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:37.359
going to do the next time to hopefully push it

584
00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:42.200
more forward? So that's I mean, I love discussing theories

585
00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:46.640
and ideas, but I'm hoping that when people discuss theories

586
00:31:46.720 --> 00:31:48.359
that it's working towards something.

587
00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:51.039
But the one thing I like about this conversation we're

588
00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:52.880
having tonight that the theories we have are in the

589
00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:56.200
realm of possibility, right, I mean, these theories that we're

590
00:31:56.240 --> 00:32:01.000
discussing aren't far out or you know, they're right, you know,

591
00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:03.640
And to some this you know, isn't what they like

592
00:32:03.680 --> 00:32:05.480
to hear, but they stay within the flesh and blood

593
00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:08.720
aspect in rome and what we consider them to be,

594
00:32:09.160 --> 00:32:11.880
you know, realistic, realistically.

595
00:32:11.559 --> 00:32:14.799
I'm not going to have unrealistic conversations about an animal

596
00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:16.920
that I don't even know exist exactly.

597
00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:19.839
I Mean, it's bad enough that we taught you know,

598
00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:22.880
that everything we're talking about right now, even the existence

599
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:26.000
of this creature is pure speculation. I mean, we do

600
00:32:26.119 --> 00:32:30.000
have we do have what we consider evidence. Obviously science

601
00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:34.480
doesn't think it's enough. And and actually I agree, we

602
00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:36.759
don't have enough evidence. What do you think about that, Molica,

603
00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:37.680
Do we have enough?

604
00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:40.480
No, we don't and I and I totally agree with that.

605
00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:44.599
With that, with that way of thinking, and we're not

606
00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:49.359
going to have enough if researchers don't put serious thought

607
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:53.759
into what they're doing. I mean, it's serious business that

608
00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:56.839
we're doing out there, and I mean I can't when

609
00:32:56.839 --> 00:32:59.440
I talk to other researchers. I mean I don't streuss

610
00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:02.720
enough how important it is to gather and maintain and

611
00:33:02.839 --> 00:33:08.319
preserve evidence properly. It is extremely important. Especially if you

612
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:11.559
think that you have the best track that you've casted

613
00:33:11.640 --> 00:33:15.440
in your lifetime, It is extremely important how you preserve

614
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:18.839
that and maintain it. And when you come upon these

615
00:33:18.839 --> 00:33:23.960
different areas in your research areas, how you catalog everything

616
00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:27.480
that you see is so important because nobody's going to care.

617
00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:30.839
If you just say this happened because I said it happened,

618
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:33.680
that's not going to impress anyone. It's going to be

619
00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:35.880
what you have on paper and what you can show

620
00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:38.880
me that's going to turn the head of somebody that

621
00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:40.079
you want to listen.

622
00:33:40.880 --> 00:33:44.240
So, in terms of that evidence that we have that

623
00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:47.480
we neither one of us don't deem to be the

624
00:33:47.519 --> 00:33:52.400
best evidence. But within that realm of possible evidence we have,

625
00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:54.200
what do you consider to be the best piece of it?

626
00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:03.160
Starting to feel like James Lipton, I'm.

627
00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:07.599
Sorry, Yeah, well, I mean, as far as I'm concerned,

628
00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:11.159
if I had to pick and choose what I think

629
00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:15.800
is the best potential evidence that we have, I would

630
00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:21.079
have to say that it's the Skukum cast and quite

631
00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:27.159
possibly different tracks that are have been preserved, and that,

632
00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:31.119
in my opinion, is it's something that we can work on.

633
00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:35.199
And I sea basically based on these tracks that have

634
00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:39.079
been casted at least of what the foot may look

635
00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:41.320
like if this animal is really out there.

636
00:34:41.519 --> 00:34:44.239
The one thing I really that I really think is

637
00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:49.519
awesome that doctor Meldrum and Jimmy Chilcutt, you know, doctor Chilcutt,

638
00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:55.519
after examining, you know, the collection of Jeff Meldrum's footprints,

639
00:34:55.559 --> 00:34:59.639
you know, and the appearance of the friction regis the

640
00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:02.840
dermal ridges and now we have that type set. Do

641
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:04.920
you know what I mean? You have that, you know,

642
00:35:04.960 --> 00:35:08.519
starting to recognize these things and cast. However, now finding

643
00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:11.880
out that that's also not entirely infallible.

644
00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:13.880
Well I guess it all depends.

645
00:35:14.440 --> 00:35:16.920
I mean, you have done some really good work to

646
00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:19.719
prove that. Then I could be wrong to try to

647
00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:28.679
dispel the dispel the friction ridge. I'm searching for the

648
00:35:28.760 --> 00:35:31.599
terminology again because I just can't word it correctly. Your

649
00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:35.199
experiments with flip castings, and you put a lot of

650
00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:36.960
hard work into that, So why don't you go instead

651
00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:38.320
of me trying to steal your thunder, why don't you

652
00:35:38.360 --> 00:35:39.159
go into that a little bit.

653
00:35:40.159 --> 00:35:46.039
Well, I'm not trying to prove anybody wrong, and that's

654
00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:49.679
been the I think the biggest misconception about my work.

655
00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:55.039
I'm not trying to prove anyone wrong. My whole point

656
00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:59.079
in this work that I'm doing is to help researchers

657
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:03.320
understand what they need to be looking for in these

658
00:36:03.360 --> 00:36:08.679
tracks and how to properly cast when they actually come

659
00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:11.639
across the track that they think is worthy of preserving.

660
00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:22.440
That's what my goal is. And if if researchers could

661
00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:27.760
you know understand that if this animal does this. If

662
00:36:27.760 --> 00:36:32.360
these tracks do belong to this animal, then these are

663
00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:36.679
something that we need to know how to preserve. And

664
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:39.719
I mean, I just I can't stress that enough. But

665
00:36:41.239 --> 00:36:44.480
in order to do that, researchers need to understand how

666
00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:48.519
to properly mix the casting agents, how to properly put

667
00:36:48.559 --> 00:36:51.480
it into that track, and then what to do with

668
00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:54.079
it later. And there are so many different variables that

669
00:36:54.159 --> 00:36:58.599
go into into casting that I don't even think a

670
00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:01.360
lot of researchers really thought about because I never even

671
00:37:01.400 --> 00:37:03.760
thought about it. And I've worked with plaster of Paris

672
00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:07.719
and for years and I never even knew that some

673
00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:10.920
of these things that I've come across could actually create

674
00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:15.079
issues within your own casting. So and but I think

675
00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:18.719
that this is important for researchers to understand. I mean, otherwise,

676
00:37:18.880 --> 00:37:22.159
don't even don't waste your money. I mean, this stuff

677
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:25.480
is not cheap, hydrocl is not cheap, and all the

678
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:27.719
things that go into it. If you're not going to

679
00:37:27.760 --> 00:37:30.039
do it properly, I don't even know why people would

680
00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:31.000
want to waste their money.

681
00:37:31.079 --> 00:37:33.119
And there, once again it goes into that we need

682
00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:37.360
that standard operating procedure in research. But as you said,

683
00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:40.440
as in with so many other things. There's that variable,

684
00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:44.599
you know, there's those variables that sometimes you know, make

685
00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:47.079
that you know, what would be the standard operate operating

686
00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:51.760
procedure is not exactly work, such as soil temperature, moisture levels,

687
00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:54.159
you know, all those factors that have to be taken

688
00:37:54.199 --> 00:37:56.719
in consideration when you make it, when you make a cast.

689
00:37:57.000 --> 00:38:00.000
Absolutely absolutely, and a lot of people don't think though,

690
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:01.480
a lot of people think we just whip up the

691
00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:03.800
bisquick and pour it in the trash, right, you know,

692
00:38:03.880 --> 00:38:06.920
for lack of a better term, And well, that's just

693
00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:09.199
not how it happens. There's a lot to go into it, right.

694
00:38:09.519 --> 00:38:11.159
Well, you know, and that's that was one of my

695
00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:13.480
that was a really big surprise for me actually was

696
00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:17.599
finding out that temperature does play an important role and

697
00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:20.880
for anybody to discount that, well, they're just flat out wrong.

698
00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:26.280
Temperature of the water and temperature of the soil, all

699
00:38:26.320 --> 00:38:29.320
of those things can create issues within your own plastic,

700
00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:31.360
your own casting, and.

701
00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:35.480
They always have to look at it kind of like baking, right,

702
00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:37.599
you really do. There's a science to baking.

703
00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:40.599
Storry to rupture there, no, no, that's okay, but no,

704
00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:43.719
you're right, and I mean, it's really not that difficult.

705
00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:47.239
And I found that generally, if you stay between you know,

706
00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:52.119
within five degrees of air temperature, I mean, you're casting

707
00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:54.840
should work out fine. But it's like you know, when

708
00:38:55.400 --> 00:38:57.519
researchers go to the nearby lake or they go to

709
00:38:57.599 --> 00:39:01.760
the nearby stream, those that water is not temperature. You

710
00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:05.000
shouldn't be doing that. I mean, take a long water,

711
00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:07.400
get it out of your tap, put it in an

712
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:09.880
old milk jug or something, but let it sit out

713
00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:12.599
and get to air temperature. Because if as long as

714
00:39:12.639 --> 00:39:15.679
you stay within a plus or minus of five degrees,

715
00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:18.800
you know, you should be fine. But it's when it's

716
00:39:18.840 --> 00:39:22.760
when you introduce extreme into your casting, that's when I

717
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:27.440
start seeing the biggest problem. But I still to this day,

718
00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:30.079
I mean I've got probably I don't even know how

719
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:33.920
many casts I have, but to this day, I still

720
00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:38.760
have not been able to duplicate the artifacts that have

721
00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:44.679
been discussed that look like dermal ridges. And but I'm

722
00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:49.320
still working at it, still trying. But it comes down

723
00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:51.239
to I mean, it may just be something that only

724
00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:54.320
happens in one type of soil. So I don't know.

725
00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:56.679
No, I'm reading here in the chat room and right

726
00:39:56.679 --> 00:39:59.400
now they're talking about pheromoneships. Have you ever actually had

727
00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:01.039
the privileges a pheromone trip?

728
00:40:01.239 --> 00:40:02.800
Oh? Lord, I did.

729
00:40:03.679 --> 00:40:06.519
Eric Altman told me my mentor Airic Goltman I got

730
00:40:06.519 --> 00:40:08.440
in the field with last year on the expedition, told

731
00:40:08.440 --> 00:40:11.440
me not the smell the pheromone trip. We got them

732
00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:16.079
from doctor Bambenek, doctor Juice, and of course me being

733
00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:19.679
the Green, you know, I opened up the jar stick

734
00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:21.880
my face and I swear to God, that thing burt

735
00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:25.480
my nostrils. It was the worst thing I've ever smelled.

736
00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:28.760
Oh my god, it was awful. So don't ever do that, folks,

737
00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:32.519
if you're listening, do not ever sniff a sasquatch pheromone

738
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:34.880
trip because you will regret it. I swear to god,

739
00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:37.119
I had that smell embedded to my nose for weeks

740
00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:37.639
at a time.

741
00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:38.639
Yeah, taught.

742
00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:42.000
I'm a phone number out there, folks, folks through in

743
00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:46.239
the night. Number is three four seven, calling.

744
00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:48.440
With your questions for Colleen. Well listn't I have to

745
00:40:48.440 --> 00:40:50.440
say this has been one. This is a great show

746
00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:55.840
we're having tonight, a lot of good productive discussion and

747
00:40:55.840 --> 00:40:56.480
and we've.

748
00:40:56.320 --> 00:40:58.719
Got a question from our good friend Bill Green from

749
00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:01.960
the chat room less on what's the best Texas bigfoot

750
00:41:02.039 --> 00:41:05.519
encounter as you investigated with the tb rc M.

751
00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:12.360
Actually, I have not had the privilege of actually going

752
00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:16.719
out and investigating, you know, a one on one sighting

753
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:22.320
with with a witness yet my unfortunately, my job and

754
00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:27.599
other issues have just kept me way too busy and

755
00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:30.480
along with casting you can add casting right up there.

756
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:36.679
But I do know. I mean, there's been some reports

757
00:41:36.679 --> 00:41:40.440
that I've read on the website, and one in particular,

758
00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:46.079
I actually was able to meet that witness and his

759
00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:52.159
his fighting was I thought very credible, and I mean

760
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:54.159
I'd like to have the opportunity to speak with him

761
00:41:54.199 --> 00:41:59.760
some more. But I mean he was he he showed

762
00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:02.559
up at a meeting to talk about it, and I

763
00:42:03.800 --> 00:42:06.559
mean he, to me, sounded like somebody who saw something

764
00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:13.320
that he could not explain. Basically, his sighting involved two

765
00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:19.239
one being male and one with female, and I really

766
00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:24.119
don't want to discuss specifics, but his sighting was with

767
00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:28.400
one that I don't hear much of, so it was

768
00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:29.119
pretty amazing.

769
00:42:31.400 --> 00:42:34.880
I just wanted to add that those of you who

770
00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:37.960
have been regular listeners on my show have heard about

771
00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:40.119
the encounter I had in the Woods last year and

772
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:43.719
the Chestnut Ridge in Pennsylvania. I don't know if I

773
00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:46.960
should say this or not, but the area where I

774
00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:51.119
had my encounters as having ongoing activity lately and right

775
00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:54.199
now today we sent two researchers out to investigate it.

776
00:42:55.039 --> 00:42:57.519
What's going on out there. We got some pretty interesting

777
00:42:57.559 --> 00:43:00.000
stuff coming from Pennsylvania. To just keep your ears posed

778
00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:03.559
to listen to the show for more details.

779
00:43:03.880 --> 00:43:09.800
That's pretty awesome. Yeah, it kind of validates the encounter

780
00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:10.360
you've had.

781
00:43:10.480 --> 00:43:13.840
Well, it doesn't validate because, like I said before, I

782
00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:19.679
never seen what you know made you know. I can't

783
00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:23.360
explain what made me feel the way I did that day.

784
00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:26.920
All I can do is theorize. But it does add

785
00:43:26.960 --> 00:43:28.800
a little bit, and I'll say this, it does add

786
00:43:28.840 --> 00:43:32.840
a little bit more validity in terms of possibility of

787
00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:38.559
what I encountered that day. I all I know is

788
00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:40.679
that when I had that experience, I didn't want to

789
00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:44.239
go back, and I'm still very I still have a

790
00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:46.639
lot of apprehension of going back. To be honest with you,

791
00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:50.400
Oh yeah, it's an experience I had that I don't

792
00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:54.800
particularly like to remember. It's something that I've never felt,

793
00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:59.280
so I felt for lack of a better term. Once again,

794
00:43:59.320 --> 00:44:07.800
I felt violated, like paralyzed, and emotionally and mentally drained.

795
00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:11.280
It just drained me. I would never want to feel

796
00:44:11.320 --> 00:44:15.599
that way again. And Billy Willard, who you know, the

797
00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:19.000
investigator in Virginia, also had a similar experience to mine.

798
00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:20.800
He'll tell you the same thing. He didn't care. He

799
00:44:21.199 --> 00:44:25.119
wouldn't care if he ever felt that way again. So

800
00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:29.960
it's not exactly a fun experience. But nonetheless, I'll get

801
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:31.800
back up on the horse and I plan on going

802
00:44:31.800 --> 00:44:34.679
back out there in a few leagues shielding tonight's investigation results.

803
00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:36.159
So I'll keep you posted.

804
00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:41.880
Melissa, I have a question for you, Okay, what is

805
00:44:41.920 --> 00:44:45.840
your opinion of the Lake Worth Monster signings in the

806
00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:51.119
late nineteen sixties. I'm sure you've heard about them, and

807
00:44:51.159 --> 00:44:54.360
it's interesting they only occurred that one summer, and I

808
00:44:54.360 --> 00:44:56.679
don't think there have been any signings in that area since.

809
00:44:56.840 --> 00:44:58.960
I was just wondering what your opinion on that was.

810
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:03.159
Well, I really don't know that I have an opinion

811
00:45:03.199 --> 00:45:06.159
one way or the other. It was it was such

812
00:45:06.199 --> 00:45:11.559
an it was so long ago. You know. I basically

813
00:45:11.599 --> 00:45:15.280
have a rule where I mean, if something happened within

814
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:21.119
the last six months to a year. It's that's something

815
00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:24.719
that I'm extremely interested in when you start going back

816
00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:30.480
onto reports that are twenty five years old, and they're interesting.

817
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:35.519
They add to the collection of reports and the corroboration

818
00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:41.920
of other witnesses. But I mean, I don't I mean,

819
00:45:41.960 --> 00:45:46.800
I really don't know. I've read about it, and you know,

820
00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:49.719
I mean people talk about it, but I mean I

821
00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:51.400
really don't have an opinion about it one way or

822
00:45:51.400 --> 00:45:55.519
the other, with as I don't with most reports, so

823
00:45:56.280 --> 00:45:58.599
especially if I have never spoken to the person myself.

824
00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:02.079
That's something that I prefer to do before I decide

825
00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:03.039
one way or the other.

826
00:46:03.559 --> 00:46:07.320
We do have a comment here from anonymous Melissa, and

827
00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:09.159
I'll address this, and then of course I'll let you

828
00:46:09.239 --> 00:46:13.480
address this as always, the comment being let me go

829
00:46:13.559 --> 00:46:18.960
back up here and get it Addie. A standardization is good,

830
00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:23.079
but I think some don't want their dream crushed. That comment,

831
00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:25.880
and it stood out for me for one reason. First

832
00:46:25.880 --> 00:46:30.159
of all, I don't think I think being a dreamer

833
00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:32.280
is all right, okay, but I don't think that when

834
00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:34.960
you're looking for an animal that may or may not exist,

835
00:46:35.039 --> 00:46:38.599
and you're trying to apply scientific principle to it, I

836
00:46:38.599 --> 00:46:41.599
don't think there's any room for dreaming, right. I think

837
00:46:41.639 --> 00:46:44.639
it's that you either you know, are objective and collect

838
00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:47.599
the evidence or you've already made up your mind and

839
00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:51.360
the evidence really isn't that important. I think if somebody

840
00:46:51.400 --> 00:46:54.119
wants to believe in something so much that nothing they

841
00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:57.039
find is going to be able to change their mind anyhow.

842
00:46:57.400 --> 00:47:03.039
Right, Well, frankly, and I mean no offense to this person,

843
00:47:03.119 --> 00:47:08.719
but if okay, I'm involved in this because I think

844
00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:11.400
the possibility is there for this animal to actually exist.

845
00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:17.440
Do I know it exists? No? But I'm not interested

846
00:47:17.679 --> 00:47:23.719
in dreams personally. And if if there's a researcher out

847
00:47:23.719 --> 00:47:28.840
there who's doing this strictly because they're wanting to dream

848
00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:31.320
big of what this will do to their life and

849
00:47:31.480 --> 00:47:35.440
how this will make them important, and on and on

850
00:47:35.480 --> 00:47:38.480
and on, I really don't care if the dreams get crushed.

851
00:47:38.719 --> 00:47:42.000
I really don't because I'm not in this. This should

852
00:47:42.039 --> 00:47:45.719
be about the animal itself. I mean, do you care

853
00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:48.679
about whether or not the animal exists? And if you

854
00:47:48.760 --> 00:47:51.760
do care, what do you want to do to protect it?

855
00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:53.960
What do you want to do to make sure this

856
00:47:54.119 --> 00:47:57.960
animal does not become extinct? That's why I'm in this.

857
00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:02.400
I don't know about anybody else, but I'm not in

858
00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:06.159
this for my dream, you know, And I don't think

859
00:48:06.199 --> 00:48:08.400
of it that way about.

860
00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:10.519
Me, And I'm in it pretty much for the same

861
00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:12.519
reason you are molist that there is that a creature

862
00:48:12.519 --> 00:48:17.719
out there. Obviously, its numbers are very low and it

863
00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:20.320
needs protection. Right. This isn't going to and we're not

864
00:48:20.360 --> 00:48:23.079
going to cue any corny music or anything. This is

865
00:48:23.559 --> 00:48:28.519
very serious. We're notorious for driving species of animals to

866
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:32.719
the brink of extinction and even making them go extinct.

867
00:48:33.119 --> 00:48:38.239
It's not a joke. It's not funny. Look at John Green,

868
00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:41.239
you know, in terms of dreamers, John Green has been

869
00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:44.519
in this for fifty years, and outside our little community

870
00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:47.880
he's not famous at all. But John Green never got

871
00:48:47.880 --> 00:48:50.840
in this to be famous. He got in this to

872
00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:56.280
document the story and because it's a huge interest of his.

873
00:48:58.639 --> 00:49:03.440
He's probably the most well known researcher aside from maybe

874
00:49:03.440 --> 00:49:06.639
a select few, But he didn't get in this to

875
00:49:06.679 --> 00:49:07.840
be famous.

876
00:49:08.559 --> 00:49:10.159
And you know, I mean, onnest the up top of

877
00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:13.639
my head, I can't think of one researcher that I

878
00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:18.000
know that in this because they're dreaming of what could be.

879
00:49:18.599 --> 00:49:21.199
I mean for them personally, I mean, I can't say

880
00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:23.440
that I know one researcher who even thinks that way.

881
00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:27.480
Everybody I talk to in this research is more concerned

882
00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:31.280
about documenting the animal and getting it protected.

883
00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:34.480
And we'll take a step backward now, so we're not

884
00:49:34.519 --> 00:49:39.920
getting a little melodramatic back to evidence. For a long time,

885
00:49:39.960 --> 00:49:42.280
I've been a big believer that we need to sort

886
00:49:42.320 --> 00:49:46.159
of applying forensic and scientific principles to the collection of evidence.

887
00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:50.079
So many times we've run into the issue that our

888
00:49:50.519 --> 00:49:53.800
evidence has been contaminated, you know, rather be through the

889
00:49:53.840 --> 00:49:57.880
collection of hair, blood samples that supposed to be collected

890
00:49:57.880 --> 00:50:02.480
from the ground, even you know, saliva, stuff like that

891
00:50:02.320 --> 00:50:06.760
that could prove to be very vital has been completely

892
00:50:06.800 --> 00:50:10.559
destroyed by mishandling. And one thing I want to point

893
00:50:10.599 --> 00:50:15.159
out is that on Sasquatch Legend Meede Science, one thing

894
00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:20.159
that bugs me during that whole documentary is the gentleman

895
00:50:20.320 --> 00:50:23.679
that is analyzing the hair and he is not wearing

896
00:50:23.719 --> 00:50:28.719
any protective covering on his hair at all. Not just him,

897
00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:31.199
but the gentleman at the end, and the DNA taking

898
00:50:31.239 --> 00:50:35.280
the DNA extractions from the apple, not one time did

899
00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:38.360
he ever, did they ever even examining the Skukum cast,

900
00:50:38.719 --> 00:50:41.800
did they ever wear hair protection? And that bothers me.

901
00:50:42.639 --> 00:50:46.440
I agree with you, and it's.

902
00:50:46.320 --> 00:50:48.320
Just something simple like hair that really drove me over

903
00:50:48.360 --> 00:50:51.840
the edge. But this DVD is clouded, This documentary is

904
00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:55.800
cloud as being the best documentary on sasquatch. Yet simply

905
00:50:55.840 --> 00:50:58.599
looking at that and realizing that the you know, so

906
00:50:58.760 --> 00:51:02.480
called experts, you know, really aren't even doing a great

907
00:51:02.559 --> 00:51:04.159
job but evident evidence.

908
00:51:03.800 --> 00:51:07.480
Handling, well, I agree with that.

909
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:10.960
I mean, we're all human, we're subject to mistakes and errors,

910
00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:14.159
but when you're doing something that's so important.

911
00:51:14.239 --> 00:51:17.039
Right, But you're also talking about a group of people

912
00:51:17.119 --> 00:51:20.800
who at the time they thought they had a good

913
00:51:20.840 --> 00:51:24.559
idea of what they might have, but they didn't have

914
00:51:24.559 --> 00:51:28.119
any proof of it. And at that time in this research,

915
00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:30.199
I don't really think a whole lot of people put

916
00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:35.599
a great amount of thought into how do you preserve evidence?

917
00:51:36.320 --> 00:51:40.719
So I mean that's yeah, it was a mistake, but

918
00:51:40.920 --> 00:51:43.400
you know what, we move on and we learned from

919
00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:46.280
those mistakes. I'll bet you if you ask Rick No

920
00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:48.199
if you'd ever do the same things again, he'd probably

921
00:51:48.199 --> 00:51:50.760
tell you. Now, just like anybody else who's made a

922
00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:53.360
mistake like that. But there's so many different ways that

923
00:51:55.119 --> 00:51:59.480
DNA evidence can be ruined before you even get there.

924
00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:03.599
So but that doesn't negate the fact that researchers need

925
00:52:03.679 --> 00:52:07.679
to use proper protocol if they think that they are

926
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:10.400
going to be encountering any kind of evidence that could

927
00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:14.280
contain DNA. You still need to do the proper procedures

928
00:52:14.360 --> 00:52:17.960
and you need to know how to properly collect and

929
00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:22.480
preserve that evidence. But you know, I don't. I have

930
00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:25.039
researchers all the time, if you know, when they bring

931
00:52:25.119 --> 00:52:28.519
up a conversation, what do you do? And I just

932
00:52:28.519 --> 00:52:30.880
shake my head and I think to myself, well, you know,

933
00:52:31.519 --> 00:52:36.039
this is why we get you know, contaminated on our

934
00:52:36.239 --> 00:52:39.199
results or you know, unknown or whatever.

935
00:52:39.400 --> 00:52:42.199
But unfortunately, evidence collection for most of us is a

936
00:52:42.239 --> 00:52:46.400
work in progress, right, you know, we're not most of

937
00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:49.320
us don't have any you know, specific law enforcement training

938
00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:52.480
to collect evidence or you know, forensics training is or

939
00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:55.519
anything of that sort. But however, I don't think that

940
00:52:55.679 --> 00:52:58.800
negates us from the responsibility of learning it right, and

941
00:52:59.000 --> 00:53:01.480
we're all capable of learning, and I think it's very

942
00:53:01.519 --> 00:53:06.840
important that we, you know, make this you know, once

943
00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:09.519
again refer to that a part of standard operating procedure.

944
00:53:09.559 --> 00:53:11.880
I think it's just a necessity that we do this.

945
00:53:11.960 --> 00:53:14.679
And you know, if the independent investigators don't want to

946
00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:17.400
join up and you know, agree to this, you know,

947
00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:20.679
this is how we're going to collect evidence, then you know,

948
00:53:21.079 --> 00:53:24.400
let's see what their evidence yields for them. Right, you

949
00:53:24.440 --> 00:53:26.360
know there's a price to pay for independence.

950
00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:29.239
That's right.

951
00:53:30.679 --> 00:53:32.639
Everybody always thinks they have the right answers. And I'm

952
00:53:32.679 --> 00:53:35.039
not saying our answers the right way. I'm saying our

953
00:53:35.079 --> 00:53:38.800
answers the you know, the best way, not our answer

954
00:53:38.840 --> 00:53:40.840
is the best way. Our answers a step in the

955
00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:41.519
right direction.

956
00:53:42.800 --> 00:53:46.079
Well, it's better than walking up to a potential hair

957
00:53:46.159 --> 00:53:48.960
stamp and picking it up with your fingers, you know,

958
00:53:49.039 --> 00:53:51.719
I mean, come on, either, you're gonna either. You want

959
00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:52.679
to be serious about this.

960
00:53:54.159 --> 00:53:58.280
As Chuck add an off, he says, CSI sasquatch right exactly.

961
00:53:58.760 --> 00:54:01.840
Well, and we you're handling things like this, you should

962
00:54:01.920 --> 00:54:03.719
be careful if you think that there's any kind of

963
00:54:03.800 --> 00:54:07.960
biological evidence. You need to be careful regardless, because you

964
00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:11.760
don't know. I mean, if you come across a like

965
00:54:11.800 --> 00:54:15.239
a even a known animal like a bear or something

966
00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:17.679
in the woods. There can be all kinds of contaminants

967
00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:20.000
that on the body of that animal that you want

968
00:54:20.039 --> 00:54:23.440
to pick through. You know, you need to know how

969
00:54:23.440 --> 00:54:27.159
to handle these types of situations for you first and

970
00:54:27.199 --> 00:54:32.360
then for your evidence collection, you know as well. So

971
00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:34.320
I mean there's all kinds of things that you need

972
00:54:34.360 --> 00:54:40.679
to think about, and unfortunately, not you know, the scientific

973
00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:43.800
the community is not coming together on this issue, but

974
00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:48.039
it's starting to happen, which I think is very positive.

975
00:54:48.280 --> 00:54:52.199
One thing that concerns me is, and it's just for

976
00:54:52.239 --> 00:54:56.280
health and safety reasons, is when people collect scat, one

977
00:54:56.320 --> 00:54:58.960
mistake is I've seen people actually stick their faces down

978
00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:01.480
almost right on top of that and inhale. They don't

979
00:55:01.519 --> 00:55:04.320
realize all the bacteria and the potential you know, viruses

980
00:55:04.360 --> 00:55:10.159
they're getting from handling you know, feces. It's not exactly

981
00:55:10.239 --> 00:55:13.840
a I'm not a big fan of collecting feces. I'm

982
00:55:13.880 --> 00:55:16.360
not a big fan of feces period now. But I

983
00:55:16.400 --> 00:55:20.039
think there's a you know, people should be listening to

984
00:55:20.119 --> 00:55:22.639
night should be very aware that health dangers involved in

985
00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:28.719
collecting some evidence, right absolutely, But I think that's going

986
00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:30.719
to be the challenge that maybe I'll lay out to

987
00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:33.320
os Melissa, we could work on in the American Bigfoot

988
00:55:33.360 --> 00:55:36.599
Society with other groups and make this a big task

989
00:55:36.639 --> 00:55:41.079
between every group is coming up with that adopted standardized procedure.

990
00:55:41.119 --> 00:55:43.039
And more hands in the pot the better, because the

991
00:55:43.039 --> 00:55:45.960
more ideas that get I think will be on the

992
00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:48.119
way to collect to some good evidence. Is Paul Villa

993
00:55:48.199 --> 00:55:52.280
that said, Paul Vella, the researcher that you know, asked

994
00:55:52.280 --> 00:55:56.079
the question, should we discard all the evidence that we've

995
00:55:56.079 --> 00:56:01.719
collected up to this point and start new? And I don't,

996
00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:04.719
And sometimes I really agree with that. I sometimes I

997
00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:07.719
think we have to start fresh. But you know, without

998
00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:10.039
learning from our mistakes, we're not going to go anywhere.

999
00:56:10.480 --> 00:56:12.920
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it,

1000
00:56:14.440 --> 00:56:15.679
you know that kind of situation.

1001
00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:20.280
Reading interesting comments in the chat room here, are.

1002
00:56:20.119 --> 00:56:23.239
There any fans of feces? What's all this talk about

1003
00:56:23.239 --> 00:56:27.920
a dangered feces? I'm reading them? Crap is bad? Yeah,

1004
00:56:27.960 --> 00:56:32.679
I see it, I see it all. Job, but someone's

1005
00:56:32.679 --> 00:56:35.840
got to do it. That's time to wait to ankle deep.

1006
00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:39.480
Well, we got three minutes, bro Well.

1007
00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:45.719
Final thoughts, I beg your pardon. Final thoughts, you're the

1008
00:56:45.800 --> 00:56:47.960
last piece of advice you'd like to give everybody that

1009
00:56:48.000 --> 00:56:48.800
you're listening.

1010
00:56:48.480 --> 00:56:52.800
Here, Well, just get out there and look. If you

1011
00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:56.639
don't know something, learn it. Learning is always a good thing.

1012
00:56:57.039 --> 00:57:00.960
I mean, read up on the subject, talk to other searchers,

1013
00:57:01.760 --> 00:57:06.599
you know, spend time on the internet board and get

1014
00:57:06.599 --> 00:57:09.679
to know the other researchers from across the country. And

1015
00:57:09.760 --> 00:57:13.440
I you know, just get out there, get up.

1016
00:57:14.599 --> 00:57:17.880
And perfect advice. Uh. Melissa, thank you very much for

1017
00:57:17.960 --> 00:57:20.559
joining us tonight in a very special birthday wisch gazatia

1018
00:57:20.639 --> 00:57:24.159
from me and mine and I hope you have just

1019
00:57:24.480 --> 00:57:26.679
you and Henry both have such a terrific day tomorrow.

1020
00:57:26.840 --> 00:57:30.519
Enjoy it, be glad you're on this earth another day,

1021
00:57:31.760 --> 00:57:33.559
and just when you wake up in the morning, take

1022
00:57:33.559 --> 00:57:34.920
a nice, deep, fresh breath of her.

1023
00:57:35.679 --> 00:57:40.280
Yeah, and Melissa, Billy Billy Billy Uh passed along a

1024
00:57:40.320 --> 00:57:41.199
big hug to you.

1025
00:57:41.840 --> 00:57:43.599
Uh, big hugs back to you, Billy.

1026
00:57:43.840 --> 00:57:46.599
I think tonight's been an extraordinary show. I think it's

1027
00:57:47.800 --> 00:57:49.920
it's it's been one for the record books. I think

1028
00:57:49.960 --> 00:57:53.599
we had a serious discussion, a serious slock, but at

1029
00:57:53.639 --> 00:57:56.199
the same time addressed some really good issues. Melissa always

1030
00:57:56.199 --> 00:57:57.960
a privileged to have you here with us.

1031
00:57:58.639 --> 00:58:00.679
Thank you, Sean, always happy to be here.

1032
00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:04.039
And you can you can find more on Melissa at

1033
00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:09.039
Texas Sasquatch dot blogspot dot com or now the New

1034
00:58:09.360 --> 00:58:14.679
Sasquatch the search for Sasquatch formats uh search search for

1035
00:58:14.679 --> 00:58:15.519
Bigfoot dot org.

1036
00:58:16.119 --> 00:58:18.239
Yep, that's the fight. And I have to say though,

1037
00:58:18.559 --> 00:58:23.840
that that website is running conjunction with my partner, Charita Hall.

1038
00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:27.559
Fantastic woman, great researcher out of Arkansas, and I couldn't

1039
00:58:27.559 --> 00:58:29.639
be happier about sharing the forum with her.

1040
00:58:30.199 --> 00:58:32.559
That's great, and folks stay tuned because you never know

1041
00:58:32.599 --> 00:58:35.719
what's going to happen in the Sasquatch experience. I'm always

1042
00:58:35.880 --> 00:58:38.000
very proud to have great researchers on our show. It's

1043
00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:39.840
such a privilege for me to talk to such great

1044
00:58:39.880 --> 00:58:43.760
people and people that are always on the same page.

1045
00:58:44.079 --> 00:58:46.480
This community has a big division in it, and I

1046
00:58:46.480 --> 00:58:49.599
think this show is just one of the stepping stones

1047
00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:51.519
to start bringing us together because in the end, we're

1048
00:58:51.559 --> 00:58:55.159
all after the same thing, and the more we work together,

1049
00:58:56.559 --> 00:58:59.599
the sooner we'll get this solved. If we can solve it.

1050
00:59:01.800 --> 00:59:02.000
Yep.

1051
00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:04.880
Getting kind of deep tonight, folks, getting kind of deep.

1052
00:59:05.199 --> 00:59:08.880
And no we're not drinking. For the record, I'm drinking

1053
00:59:08.920 --> 00:59:11.800
a cherry coke. It doesn't get more virgin than that.

1054
00:59:12.199 --> 00:59:13.239
I'm having green tea.

1055
00:59:13.519 --> 00:59:16.800
She's having green tea, and Henry hasn't had anything because

1056
00:59:16.800 --> 00:59:19.639
I haven't had her covied a flushed this this whole episode.

1057
00:59:20.239 --> 00:59:24.639
So that's a record. What a great show. It's been

1058
00:59:24.639 --> 00:59:26.719
the night, folks, Melissa once again, thanks for joining us.

1059
00:59:26.800 --> 00:59:30.199
James Baker, thanks for joining us again, my friend Henry,

1060
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:30.800
take us home.

1061
00:59:31.480 --> 00:59:33.119
You'll be good or be good in it.

1062
00:59:33.639 --> 00:59:35.960
Thank you, folks. You've been listening to The Sasquatch Experience.

1063
00:59:36.039 --> 00:59:41.360
Next week we have the Sasquatch Salute super Larry Lund

1064
00:59:42.519 --> 00:59:50.199
and the following week is our open mic discussion. Stay

1065
00:59:50.199 --> 00:59:52.280
tuned and I hope you all join us for those shows.

1066
00:59:52.320 --> 00:59:55.559
Henry will be flying solo next week Wednesday, join us

1067
00:59:55.639 --> 00:59:59.800
nine thirty pm Eastern for the Sasquatch Experience. Light and

1068
01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:03.360
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1069
01:00:03.360 --> 01:00:07.960
out the blog Sasquatch Experience dot blogspot dot com. Thank

1070
01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:11.199
you all tonight, folks, it's been a pleasure. Keep on squatching.

1071
01:00:12.400 --> 01:00:16.320
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1072
01:00:16.360 --> 01:00:23.079
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1073
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