Aug. 2, 2026

EP 144: Mike Hartman, Ohio Bigfoot Investigator

EP 144: Mike Hartman, Ohio Bigfoot Investigator
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Season 13

Mike Hartman, Ohio Bigfoot Investigator, joins Sean and Matt to discuss some of his research and "The Bigfoot App." https://www.thebigfootapp.com

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Views and opinions expressed by the guests that Sasquatch Experience

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or affiliates of the Sasquatch Experience. As always, listener discretion

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is advice.

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We got some one or something crawling around out your

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see what it was?

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Was it a person or an animal? Or I can't know.

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All I know that my underway came on and I

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did have a glimp and say this thing running across

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the yard a goodbye man or.

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A company looked like the man.

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I don't know what it was.

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Back in two thousand and five, we set out with

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one goal to give voice to the mystery and those

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who pursue it. Sasquatch Experience podcast has been your go

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to source for serious Bigfoot discussion, where we separate fact

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from folklore. Always grounded in research and respect. We've interviewed

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eyewitnesses experts since to like because understanding Bigfoot isn't just

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about belief, It's about the journey. Nearly two decades later,

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we're still chasing shadows and sharing stories. The search never stopped.

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Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience.

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Hello, hit somebody out of here and good evening everyone.

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Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience for Monday, June twenty seventh,

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twenty twenty six. I can't believe that we're already at

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the end of July. Guys. Here we are this year

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almost done. And I don't know about you, guys, but

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I really feel like I've gotten shit done for research

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this year for my own personal repertoire. I guess.

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No shit done or you didn't get shit done.

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No, now, listen, Matt and I are more fall type

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researchers anyhow, Maan, look as we were bigger men and

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enjoy the cooler seasons of fall and winter. But but

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hopefully it hasn't been very active in terms of reports

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coming through either. I mean, we've had some, but not

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as as many as years past. So I think we're

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kind of on the downward slope again, or you know,

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we just have folks that aren't reporting them right now.

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And that's always a possibility. And that's not everywhere, that's

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just here in the Great Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. Our guest

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tonight Mike Hartman. Good friend. Mike and I met on

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a podcast someone else's hosting a couple of years ago,

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and we got a lot in common. We really approached

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the subject in the same way. And I'll tell you

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he's hilarious and when you get him started, he's hard

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to stop. So Mike comes to us from the Buckeye State.

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He does a lot of research in Ohio. Not limited

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to Ohio, but does a lot of research there predominantly.

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He's also the driving force behind the Bigfoot at right now,

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which is a pretty unique tool, and we'll let Mike

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talk about that here just a little bit.

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Mike, thanks for joining us tonight. My friend didnesuya No,

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I just like moving my lips and not making sound.

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I'll just mess with you. It's cool to be here.

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It's glad to be here. It's I mean, you guys

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got a great show, so I'm glad to be here.

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Oh, we appreciate that. Not everybody agrees. But we've been

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doing it for twenty years this year, Mike, twenty years

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of Sasquatch experience. And you know it's funny. We got

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a comment on our YouTube page that do you have

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to use the same uh nine call the Sasquat chronicles

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for the record. Listen, We've been around longer and I've

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used the nine to one one call longer, so don't

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mistake no one's got a monopoly on it. Hell, we

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don't even know if it's real. I mean, we know

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the call is real, but we don't know if the

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subject is real. So let's just enjoy it for what

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it is, a fun piece of potential bigfoottery, and we're

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using it for entertainment purposes, and it's off if you

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don't like it, that's all I have to say that respect.

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I'm a little fired up tonight, guys, Today has not

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gone as planned. We've dropped two co hosts tonight. As

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you can see. That's all right though, Vance's kitchen blew

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up and Henry that's a trend and Henry is under

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the weather tonight. So above and beyond that, Matt. We

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did have our executive producer down at the Smoking Mountain

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Bigfoot conference this weekend.

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Yes, and Brian gave us a play by play that

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entire time. So lots of pictures, lots of great reviews

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coming from Brian. And then we had so my wife

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watches a lot of these videos about Gatlinburg Pigeon Forge area,

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and there's a YouTuber that we follow. His name is

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Tampa Jay. If anyone's ever heard of Tampa Jay, great

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guy and he loves anything having to do with bigfoot

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and sasquatch. I posted a it was probably about an

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hour long video of Tampa Jay at the conference. Really

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gave another perspective because we're getting Brian's perspective, and we

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know Brian, you know, he's an awesome, awesome bigfoot guy,

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but then hearing from Tampa Jay, who's basically, you know,

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someone who's just learning about this, it really gave a

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great perspective. So we look at things that when we

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do any sort of shows or events that what he

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found to be interesting we could use, uh you know,

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through some of the evidence and some of the uh

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you know, just encounters that that we've had or we've investigated,

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that we could incorporate that better for people again, you

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know that aren't coming in as bigfoot experts, but you know,

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someone coming in off the street with just a general knowledge.

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It's absolutely perfect. And like I said, having those two

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perspectives from both Brian and from from this guy, Tampa

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Jay was outstanding.

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Absolutely and we're going to get Brian's content posted to

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our Patreon soon and then get some sort of way

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to display it to the viewers here on probably on

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next show we'll get a little recap put together. I

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know we're a little bit of distant for time, but

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you know, uh do want to get that because it's

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great to have somebody associated with the show. We had

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a great time when we went a few years ago.

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It did. We enjoyed ourselves in Gatlinburg.

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Yeah, oh yeah, and now they have a a flavor

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town market, so we got to go back.

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Baker's obsessed with Guy Fierry and uh, well, Paula Dean too,

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I got pictures. Yeah, oh god, and that's well no, yeah, no, okay,

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And we're going to segue from that from uh and

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to tonight's topic. So, Mike, we're glad you're with us. Man,

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you've been going after Bigfoot in Ohio for how long now,

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A pretty decent time.

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In the field thirty years in the book forty.

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So you're not a newbie to this field. And I

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think you know regionally, I think you're well known, Mike.

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And as we get listeners from all over the UK,

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New Zealand, all over, tell them how you got started

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into this, Mike? How did you get bought into Bigfoot

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and what's kept you going for so long?

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So growing up they when I went to elementary school,

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adhd all that stuff didn't exist. You were either learning

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disabled or you were normal. And I got put in

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the learning disabled class. So one day we were going

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to the library and we're down there, were looking around

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here this old car, and I find a book by

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John Green called On the Trail of Bates Foot, and

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I ended up. So I may have not been learning disabled,

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but I was a delinquent because I stole the book.

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I checked it out, it never went back. In the

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middle of that book.

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I got the same thing. I will also admit we're

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both the Linquits together in that respect.

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Yeah, I owe Elmwood Elementary like eighty thousand dollars in

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late we use probably I hope they never tried to collapse.

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But in the middle of that book was that picture,

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you know, the famous picture of Patty. And that picture

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captivated me. It just burned into my memory for some reason,

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like imprinted on me. And it wasn't so much the

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photo with the self. It was everything around the photo.

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What is what what am I looking at?

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You know?

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What is it?

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What does it do? What does it eat, does it eat?

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Does it you know?

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Where does it live?

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What? So?

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Yeah, just the questions at that young age. And and

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then it was later that dad discovered that. Actually he

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went to the school and like almost had my principal

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by the throat and told him he's not learning disabled.

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You guys are teaching disabled because if he wants to

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learn it, he will learn it. You're just not captivating

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him because I could recite every newspaper article. If you

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asked me about that book, I can tell you what

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page the sentence was on and I could complete it

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for you. I just got so absorbed into it. So

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for me, it started in the third grade eighty three,

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eighty four somewhere in there.

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Yeah. And it's something I noticed about you when we

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were doing that podcast together, as you were very like

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on point with the faction. I think we were talking

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about the DNA study from Catch Them or something along

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the line.

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Yeah, and.

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You were just you have an acumen to be able

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to recite that stuff. Man, and funnier than hell, you know,

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which I think is great for this seal needs a

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lot more infotainment personalities, not just entertainment, my folks that

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actually know what the hell they're talking about. And that's

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kind of why I wanted to get you on the

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show because I think, you know, through the work you're

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doing with the Bigfoot app, which you know, people like

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to use the term groundbreaking, I think it's very relevant

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in today, especially when we've got a lot of folks

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that are interested in information at their fingertips as soon

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as possible. I don't know how many folks. Well, let's

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talk about the Bigfoot app a little bit. Well, what

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you know, tell us about it and how's it working out.

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So it started last year as an idea. Probably since

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two thousand, I was making websites and back then you

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had to put the little HDML alligator mouth, alligator mouth

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blah blah blah. Yeah, write the whole damn code. And

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I was computering literate at that time, So my websites

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were horrible because I'm not a code writer. I was

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working at McDonalds at the time. You know, my operations

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weren't that high at that period in my life. So

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but yeah, I was only building websites. I got better

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over the years. The programs got better, made it easier.

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Soon it got to where you didn't have to write code.

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You could just tell it what you wanted off of

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a template, but it was never enough. And then AI

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hit and everyone got, you know, was terrified of AI.

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I love technology. I like to have tools and shit

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at my fingers that I can utilize. So that's where

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last year I got the idea for the Bigfoot Apps,

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started building it, started working on it. It's a pay

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as you go program and it's website me based, but

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it's also a lot of AI around it. So I

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built tools using AI that I would have loved to

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have had thirty years ago, twenty years ago, ten years ago.

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And now I can just tell my computer to build

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it and it'll screw up a few times, sure, but

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you keep at it and it's all in the wording,

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and boom it came to be the bigfootapp dot com.

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So right now I'm fighting with Google. Google loves me.

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They will let my app go to Google Play, but

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it's the other people that it takes fourteen testers and

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each tester has to stay on for fourteen days. And

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I got the four people part down. It's the other

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ten that keep dropping the ball and failing me on Google.

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But eventually it will be on Google Play. But yeah,

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it's called the bigfootapp dot com. It's called a login.

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You can it's web based. You can save it to

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yours cell phone just like an app. It works offline

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better than an app. And it just is the biggest

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most comprehensive information base whatever I've ever built in my life.

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to be half of the library and the other half

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I wanted to be tools, field, tools, field tutorial. So

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I built things like the I worked with doctor, the

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late doctor Meldrum, and he helped me come up with

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a footprint mass algorithm, and so you can take your

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footprint and you can put stuff in it, and it

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can measure it for you. And after you get that measurement,

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it then converts it to a guestiment of the height

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of the animal based off the length of the print.

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Doctor Meldrim helped me with that one, so I call

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it the Meldrum Heist Calculator. And then it's got an

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actual map, which is my favorite part. It has a

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map of the entire United States and you can get

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on that map and wherever you can build a public map,

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or you can build your own private map, so you

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don't have to share your information if you don't want to,

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your honeyholes, your hotspots, all that, but your basic areas.

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But on my map you can add information time, weather.

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to view it as a user, if there's an audio

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file associated to it, it shows up blow you can

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play it and you can listen to the woops, the hows.

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at the area, see what it was like. You can

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see what the weather was for that day. You can

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hit the historical layer and see how it lines up

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with historical data. And it's more than I could explain

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in one podcast. I mean, it has the Squatsonian, it

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has uh the library, it has oh got an entire

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page dedicated just the information. And then it has my

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old Bigfoot Ohio app built into it as another button,

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and it just it has so much stuff in it,

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I can't even describe it all. In a little bit.

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I overbuild it. Actually, it's to the point almost being

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too much.

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I think I'd rather have it overbuilt than under built.

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And really everything that you said, Mike, I mean that

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sounds awesome for one in just one general.

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App like that.

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How long did it? How did you say it took

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to put everything together?

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So I've been working on it since last year. I

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really started building it around January, and I released it

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prematurely because I like being able to just go online

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look at it from a user standpoint and say, what

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would I want on here? And I hope the wife

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don't want watch this show because I've got about three

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thousand dollars wrapped up in Yeah, it's been a lot

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of building, a lot of work, but I'd say like

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the big push has probably been from January to two

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weeks ago.

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I'm on it right now, Mike. I just pulled it

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up in the web browser, and folks, you got to

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get on this because as he's talking about, actually know

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what I'll do because we put it up on the

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I'm gonna put it up on the screen, all right,

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tell me when you can see it. We got it.

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You can see it right there. Just make sure it's

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the right screen. It's not any kind of adult videos

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or anything, not that I I would do that, but

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just making sure, you know, but you know, he's got

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it up here at the top the Bigfoot app You

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got the Hopping Hills Bigfoot Festival coming up, a public

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appearance at Squatch and sip report a sighting. But here

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it's where it starts. Getting the good stuff feel weather station, camp,

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wind speed, rain and you know, Mike, this is something

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that years ago when I was working with a small

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group called the Keystone Bigfoot Project, one of the things

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that was incredibly important to us was being able to

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log weather conditions, moon conditions, any kind of atospheric conditions.

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So when you put a pin on the map or

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make a report, if you click on the weather button

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block it. There's like five different places. It automatically loads

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the weather to your sighting report to the information and yeah,

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it automatically opens on your geographical location. As soon as

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you open the map, you see where you're at on

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the map, and so you can log your own GPS.

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But yeah, if you make a report, it logs everything.

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But we could go up here and put save current

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or like when we're at the location right be able

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to yes, you saved, which is pretty awesome. And and

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folks that don't realize all this stuff was incredibly important,

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like Uh, you know time and year, time of day,

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it's it's impressive, like it really speeds. Right.

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The one thing I use I usually even in the

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pen and paper days, I always wrote down what the

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barometer was that day. For some reason in my head,

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I just felt the barometer was important.

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So a buometric pressure is funny. You know, look how

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it affects regular you know, regular animals.

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That yeah, because yeah, my background is wildlife biology, even

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though I went to school for it. But I'm a

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maintenance guy that plug plunges toilets for a living. So yeah,

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but yeah, wildlife biology, that's my background. So and then

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I'm also a bow hunter, so I yeah, the weather

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effects at everything.

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I just love all the resources. Go ahead and mad,

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I'm just kind of still taking folks on an overview here.

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No, and what Mike said is right. I'm I'm a

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bow hunter also. And it's not just it's not just

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looking at the wind, but it's looking at the pressure,

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it's looking at the moon phase. Uh, is looking at

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you know so much and and then you know, being

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able to And I think that's where I've talked to

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a couple of people and uh that are our bow hunters,

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not just you know, your your typical rifle hunters, but

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the bow hunters because we have to read that terrain

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uh differently. And then somebody you know, just going out

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for rifles, setting up on a stand somewhere. We're looking

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at the funnels, we're looking at the uh at the

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food cover and uh in you know, the transition areas.

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So that really really does that kind of coincides with

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what we're doing because it helps us to track, you know,

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any of these you know from these sightings, Hey, where

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is that? Where is that cover at? Where's this? You know? Uh,

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you know where's this at? And again yeah, what was

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the weather?

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You know?

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Yeah, it's go ahead.

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I'm sorry, Mike. I love how it's got a confidence

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barometer on here. Ye like, yeah, that's pretty important.

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I think, Yeah, I think so. I mean cause and

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you're got to put that in yourself, you know, how

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sure are you that? And some of mine are low,

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some of mine are high, some of them are like,

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I'm not sure, but it was odd this happened. But

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then there's the ones that like, yeah, I'm pretty sure

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that this was you know, so yeah, it's I just

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like having that on there.

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Oh I do too. I think that's phenomenal.

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Mm, we'll have to add some for for our area.

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Yeah, we're going to have to get busy, like.

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We have a honey hole, but we're we don't keep

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it private.

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You know.

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It's such a huge expanse of land that we're trying

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to get people out there, you know, and uh but

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it's fairly uh not the best you know environment, it's

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not it's not general rolling hills. It's uh no, it's yeah, yeah.

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Yeah kind of. That's my theory with Wayne National Forest

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because it's like three different tracks, but the three together

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are almost seven hundred thousand acres and there ain't no

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way five people could cover that in ten years, let alone.

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So the more people that you can get to go

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to that big area and start making those pins, the

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easier the story and the quicker the story.

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I'm full, Yes, oh I was.

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If you don't where what databases are using for the

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for the reports, is it just self reported or are

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you getting using like the be f Republic and some

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other reports.

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No, it's all user reports. Because there's another map out

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there and I won't mention its name, but I hate

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it because it has dots all over their map and

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when you click on them, like sixty percent of them

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are dead empty. It's just to pen on the map.

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It doesn't even say if it was a wood knock,

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a footprint, a citing what. It's literally just a dot

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on a map, and that dry stuff like that wild

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just drive me insane. So it actually forces you to

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put in some information before it'll let you submit your report.

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But it's all user reported.

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Have you seen like a certain amount of reports from

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a specific area that surprised you when you've developed this.

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So it's still in its infancy. There's not a lot

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of people reporting on it yet. I just really haven't

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got the word out about it a whole lot, so,

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but I'm interested to see that as it grows. But

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like right north of me, I don't have any of

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the reports on there. I think I only have the

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general location, like the Man Too, a flap that happened

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back in March twenty twenty five. Everybody's all bigfoot Man too, oh,

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so that you know that it's kind of in that

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same general wheelhouse. But that shocked me a good little

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bit that that happened and was going on.

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Because I'm looking at the Maut and I mean i

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am seeing a good stretch. It's not just Ohio. It

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looks like it looks like you have even down to Tennessee.

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H yeah, you know with the particular shut more people.

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Yeah, it is growing. It's getting there. It's just not

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in its boom yet, you know, it's not yet found

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its glory days, but it will eventually.

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What kind of what kind of crowd or what kind

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of person are you looking to get to to get

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on this app? Are you looking for the for the

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hard for researcher or are you looking for someone that

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just wants to learn about Bigfoot?

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So it's that and that's kind of what the app is.

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It's split down the middle, like half of it is

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a learning center for the new individuals to say, hey,

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you know, maybe if your nervous to ask this question

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or whatnot, we may hope that you can find it

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one of these articles I put out or some of

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the infrots. So it's built for the newbie, but it's

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also built for the people the seasoned veterans at it.

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So okay. So, and it's just an example here. This

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is a thermal video from the one sighting report that

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was put up, and we can see that looks like

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something right here in the image.

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Yeah. So that video I'm the one that shot it,

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is about three minutes long. And there's two other captures

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that are associated with that video that there was a

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little movement down in front, maybe a juvenile, I don't know.

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And then there's another what part of it where see

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I didn't know I was filming that. Like, I was

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standing fifteen feet away from my thermal. I just happened

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to walk over and I was like, I don't remember

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this black blob being on the and then it like

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moved and I'm like, yeah, that wasn't there earlier. So

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I went out into the swamp to try to get

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to where it was and I ended up over knee

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deep water. It was cold, it was like October. And

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when I got to the grass that it stood up

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out of I've been through it now is about two

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feet over top of my head.

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Wow.

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Yeah, it was. It was a crazy night for sure.

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And where was where? Where was that at? In Sean?

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Can you bring that map up again, Yes, sir, So

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that was just a little.

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North of Wooster, Ohio. What is it called Funk Bottoms?

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So how I'm not from Ohio, not super familiar with it.

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But how far is that from Salt Fork.

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So it's about fifteen to twenty minutes north of Machican

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State Park, so it would be about an hour and

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a half north Well, no, almost dead north of Salt Well.

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Northwest of Saltwork about an hour and a half. Because

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Mohican's only fifteen minutes from me, Saltfork's fifty minutes, Woodbury's

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twenty minutes, Cocosing's twenty minute. I'm kind of like right

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in the middle of a bunch of really good areas.

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Yeah.

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Absolutely, The Mexican Watershed is five minutes away, and if

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I walk thirty seconds that way or less, I'll be

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standing in the middle of the Cocosing River.

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So oh what, Yeah, you are of Bidfloot Buckeye State.

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So that's kind of the whole reason. Is my house

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a dump? That's the whole reason it was bought though

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it was more location, location, location than U like it

463
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was available. It was their sale when I said sold

464
00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:07.480
before I even saw it, because I saw where it was.

465
00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:11.400
It's like he's literally smack down in the middle of everything.

466
00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:12.839
That's where I want to be.

467
00:30:13.279 --> 00:30:18.200
So yeah, that's that's really interesting. So out of those

468
00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:21.160
areas which ones do you think are more active.

469
00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:29.720
It seems to be a little more south. It basically

470
00:30:29.960 --> 00:30:35.599
the foothills of Appalachia. I wrote a book about it. Actually,

471
00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:40.720
it's called the Ohio Sasquatch Corridor, and it's like just

472
00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:45.440
the air, the strip of sightings that everything seems to happen.

473
00:30:46.279 --> 00:30:49.200
If you look at the state of Ohio and you

474
00:30:49.359 --> 00:30:51.720
start down on the Ohio River and you make a

475
00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:56.119
fish up and start going up north, that's kind of

476
00:30:56.279 --> 00:31:00.039
the air. It follows the Appalachian foot.

477
00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:06.799
Okay, wow, well, definitely gonna have to I have to

478
00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:09.680
check out that happened. We have a we have an

479
00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:14.759
event coming up soon, and you know, we'll we'll definitely

480
00:31:14.839 --> 00:31:17.559
try it out, you know, for the event and let

481
00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:18.480
people know about it.

482
00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:20.480
I appreciate it.

483
00:31:21.640 --> 00:31:26.960
So I've been playing and it's pretty it's pretty pretty awesome.

484
00:31:28.039 --> 00:31:29.599
So it's extensive.

485
00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:36.160
Yeah, yeah, So what kind of personal experiences encounters? I mean,

486
00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:39.440
obviously that that ternal video is pretty impressive, but what

487
00:31:39.640 --> 00:31:42.839
other encounters have you had that you know are kind

488
00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:43.880
of key in your research.

489
00:31:44.839 --> 00:31:52.240
So my first one was Salt Fork State Park and

490
00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:55.039
that was I didn't get to see it see it.

491
00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:57.920
It was night time and it was more of a dark,

492
00:31:58.079 --> 00:32:02.319
shadowy figure, and that's what both of my sightings were,

493
00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:07.519
so I've never got that detail. That's what I'm chasing.

494
00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:13.319
But the one that I cited the last, the least

495
00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:17.480
made the biggest impact to me. And it was down

496
00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:20.640
at Saltwork and I call it the Super Knox Night

497
00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:25.279
because we got there. We showed up. I put out

498
00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:29.119
the fishing rods because back in that day, like bigfooters

499
00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:33.119
weren't really welcome in state parks. So me and my

500
00:32:33.279 --> 00:32:37.720
guys all had our fishing licenses or fishing ds something lights,

501
00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:43.640
so we posed as anglers or hunters. But the rangers

502
00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:47.720
knew why we were there. They simply appreciated what we

503
00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:51.160
were doing. Sure, so we set up by this creek

504
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:55.200
and we're just standing there. We just showed up. We're

505
00:32:55.319 --> 00:32:57.799
talk and now let's walk down the road a little bit.

506
00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:00.599
And we made it about ten steps and there was

507
00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:03.000
a wood knock on this side of the ridge, and

508
00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:05.799
then a wood knock on the other side of the ridge,

509
00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:10.519
and one further down or an echo because it was quieter,

510
00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:13.400
and we all looked at each other like was that

511
00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:16.359
for us? And it was no. Sooner did I did

512
00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:20.039
we say that till an old raggedy f one fifty

513
00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:24.519
came over the hill. Okay, So was that for us

514
00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:27.440
or was that a warning that there was a clerk coming?

515
00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:31.640
Stay away from the road. So we decided that was

516
00:33:31.759 --> 00:33:33.799
the spot for the night. That's where we were going

517
00:33:33.960 --> 00:33:38.720
to stay. We had just made dinner, had some brought worth,

518
00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:45.160
and it just cut loose, pouring rain. It was like, well,

519
00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:47.680
it's it's late in the night, let's just get in

520
00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:51.759
our vehicles. Well wait it out. And this started right

521
00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:55.559
at dark, I mean right at dark, and it was

522
00:33:55.599 --> 00:33:59.720
still raining at one am. I look over. My buddy

523
00:33:59.839 --> 00:34:03.279
is dead asleep beside me. The wife is dead asleep,

524
00:34:03.359 --> 00:34:05.640
and I'm sitting there doing the head bob, you know,

525
00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:09.639
barely keeping awake. And then there was a series of

526
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:13.559
knots and it was seventeen to twenty one would knocks

527
00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:17.719
well and it called bam bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam,

528
00:34:17.840 --> 00:34:23.039
bam bam. So now everybody's wide awake. We're looking around.

529
00:34:23.199 --> 00:34:25.840
We know there's not a soul around us. And this

530
00:34:26.079 --> 00:34:29.519
was like right when the last raindrop hit the dirt.

531
00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:34.400
I mean it was like the rain just stopped and

532
00:34:34.519 --> 00:34:37.519
everyone's wide awake, and I found it laughable. But now

533
00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:41.719
because I jumped, my wife hit the door locks and

534
00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:45.920
the automatic log and they click real loud. So when

535
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:48.519
I heard that click, I about went out the window,

536
00:34:48.760 --> 00:34:51.679
and I was like, first of all, do you expect

537
00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:56.920
them to walk up and open the doors and the

538
00:34:57.280 --> 00:35:00.880
way that Harry has sat up? No, no one walked

539
00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:04.360
in on us, because there was a lake here. No

540
00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:07.039
one came in that way. It's a marsh over here,

541
00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:09.880
it's a marsh over there. They could have only came

542
00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:13.079
from one direction, and we were in the only parking

543
00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:15.960
spot for probably half a mile, so I know no

544
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:18.480
one walked down there because they would have had to

545
00:35:18.679 --> 00:35:22.239
fork around us to get up to where I think

546
00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:25.159
the knots were. From this tree, I could see the

547
00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:28.880
silhouette out in the swamp, and right beside it was

548
00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:33.639
this old, gnarly, raggedy ass dumb And so we sat

549
00:35:33.679 --> 00:35:36.159
in the vehicles all night, We're all just looking out

550
00:35:36.199 --> 00:35:39.239
the window. Sun starts to come up, we get brave,

551
00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:42.639
we all get out, and you know, the first words

552
00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:46.039
out of everybody's mouth was, what the hell was that?

553
00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:49.360
Because we had never heard anything like that before in

554
00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:53.000
our own Yeah, it's like wow, and we're talking, and

555
00:35:53.679 --> 00:35:55.760
so we walk up the road. We walked down the

556
00:35:55.920 --> 00:35:58.000
ridge because it was the only way to see the

557
00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:02.079
tree that we all agree that came from. And you

558
00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:03.920
can see the back of it, and you can see

559
00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:06.760
it's chewed up, its snarled up a little bit of

560
00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:10.039
the binoculars. So we walked back down to the car

561
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:12.400
and it's like, let's try to get close to it.

562
00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:16.199
And we marshed ourselves out on a point to where

563
00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:19.559
we couldn't get any further. And we turn around. We're

564
00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:23.840
walking back towards the vehicles and I froze and everyone

565
00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:26.239
stopped and they're all looking at me, like what what?

566
00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:26.920
What? What? What?

567
00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:30.559
And I turned around and I'm looking back and they're

568
00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:33.360
like what And I said, where'd the fucking stump go?

569
00:36:34.719 --> 00:36:35.760
And there I'm like what?

570
00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:39.719
And I was like, the stump that was beside that

571
00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:45.280
tree is no longer there. So now I'm trumping out

572
00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:48.320
in water because maybe the storm knocked it down, maybe

573
00:36:48.360 --> 00:36:51.239
it got weak, maybe the water picked up. And I

574
00:36:51.400 --> 00:36:54.119
tromp around in the water. I'm looking at this tree.

575
00:36:54.280 --> 00:36:58.159
I'm in thick mud. I got ticks crawling up me

576
00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:02.119
from going through the marsh grass. But there was no

577
00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:07.480
stump that the stump was gone. Wow, and so yeah

578
00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:11.519
that I didn't even identify it for what it was,

579
00:37:11.679 --> 00:37:14.800
but that one stands out the most to me. Wow.

580
00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:17.320
How long ago did that happen?

581
00:37:18.239 --> 00:37:23.960
That would have been around two thousand and six.

582
00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:27.400
Okay, and it was early year.

583
00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:30.559
I know that much. It was early in the year.

584
00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:36.199
It was like April May. Cat fishing was just getting

585
00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:39.679
fired up because I had my cat fishing poles with

586
00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:43.519
me and I loved that that first part of the

587
00:37:43.639 --> 00:37:46.960
year kitty fishing when they're on that feeding frenzy of

588
00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:54.360
the water warms up. And yeah, it was. I mean

589
00:37:54.920 --> 00:37:58.039
to this day when I drive by that area every time,

590
00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:01.280
the hair still stands up my arm. Oh wow, and

591
00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:05.000
I hear the knocks in my head. I can see

592
00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:07.880
that I can bring that back to life as if

593
00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:13.159
I'm watching it for the first time. And wow. But yeah,

594
00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:24.320
that damn walking disappearing stump, that's wow means yeah, yeah,

595
00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:25.320
yeah it did.

596
00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:26.159
It did.

597
00:38:26.480 --> 00:38:33.599
Now thought, what what kind of bigfoot researcher mistakes a

598
00:38:33.760 --> 00:38:37.480
bigfoot for a stump and just man't gonna pay attention

599
00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:40.000
to that. If you know, if I'd have been in

600
00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:42.599
the right mind, my eyes would have never left it.

601
00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:45.800
I'd have had cameras on it, you flashlights on it,

602
00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:49.239
you name it. But the fact that I just look

603
00:38:49.360 --> 00:38:51.400
over and I was like, well, I think it came

604
00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:53.440
from that tree, by that big stump.

605
00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:58.880
Yeah, like some bigfoot researcher I am, in all fairness

606
00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:00.880
might there have been a lot of reports that are

607
00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:02.800
kind of like I saw this stump and then it

608
00:39:02.920 --> 00:39:06.519
stood up, or I saw its stump and then yeah, uh,

609
00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:09.199
you know, there's one not far from me. Actually, I

610
00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:11.679
was actually one of the first ones I investigated in

611
00:39:11.760 --> 00:39:15.039
the ninety nine the early two thousands, when these hikers

612
00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:17.800
saw what they thought was just a tree stump and

613
00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:20.719
it got up and uh, kind of like that scene

614
00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:22.079
from Harry and Henderson's you.

615
00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:27.840
Know right, yeah, but you don't have one. Yeah, I

616
00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:29.920
have one just down the road to me like that.

617
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:32.679
And it's from two teenage boys and they're just out

618
00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:38.199
fishing and joined the summer evening. Yeah, if they're in

619
00:39:38.320 --> 00:39:41.400
an area where kids still ride their bikes down the street,

620
00:39:41.519 --> 00:39:44.360
people don't lock their doors at night. It's that kind

621
00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:48.320
of community. And these kids were they were you know, hey, guys,

622
00:39:48.400 --> 00:39:52.000
I was the fishing going and oh yeah, blah blah blah,

623
00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:54.840
and I'm like, oh, I'm gonna go walk back to here,

624
00:39:55.159 --> 00:39:57.880
you know, I just don't want bug guys and whatnot,

625
00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:01.840
like just make sure you're auty here by dark. And

626
00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:04.599
I'm like, what the hell are two kids tell me

627
00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:07.039
to be out of here by dark? Like are these

628
00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:09.239
little shit's going to try to mug me or something?

629
00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:12.519
And you know, I turn around, I'm like, why do

630
00:40:12.679 --> 00:40:15.800
I need to be out of here by dart? Like well,

631
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:18.519
that's when the stump walks across.

632
00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:23.360
The Mars And I was like, huh, but what does what?

633
00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:28.360
They're like, yeah, the stump, it walks across the Mars

634
00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:33.360
at night and they're like, wow, he had I'll be

635
00:40:33.559 --> 00:40:37.360
right here with you guys tonight. I'm watching this march.

636
00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:38.599
Now the hell with that? Hi?

637
00:40:42.760 --> 00:40:43.000
Wow?

638
00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:47.599
But yeah, and they apparently had seen it more than once.

639
00:40:48.119 --> 00:40:50.639
I didn't get to view it, but there's many nights

640
00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:52.760
I've sat out there since watching.

641
00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:57.519
Now, besides Ohio, have you investigated anywhere else in the

642
00:40:57.599 --> 00:41:01.880
region or you know, outside of the regions O.

643
00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:18.960
High Mountain, California, New Mexico, Arizona, Texas, Michigan, Vermont, New York, Maine, Massachusetts, Virginia,

644
00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:28.280
West Virginia, Tennessee, North Carolina, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Arkansas.

645
00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:30.840
It gets around.

646
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:38.880
Yeah, wait, wait, what's wait? Where's your favorite place to go?

647
00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:41.400
Sash watching? That outside of Ohio?

648
00:41:42.199 --> 00:41:47.840
Outside? So I have a property and it's an unlivable property.

649
00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:53.800
They claim it in Virginia on the Kentucky border. That's

650
00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:57.280
real high on the it's kind of a toss up

651
00:41:57.400 --> 00:42:06.920
between there and around blackwater Falls area. Okay, yep, West Virginia.

652
00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:11.960
What's the name of that other park right there? It's

653
00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:17.039
just a little bit real well, I've been there too,

654
00:42:17.239 --> 00:42:20.800
but that it's right by the new gorgeous State park are.

655
00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:24.199
It's like twenty minutes down the road. Okay, for the

656
00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:25.840
life of me, I can't think it.

657
00:42:26.079 --> 00:42:26.400
I can't.

658
00:42:26.840 --> 00:42:32.760
Yeah there, but yeah, I love that park. I really

659
00:42:32.960 --> 00:42:34.199
enjoy that area.

660
00:42:35.480 --> 00:42:38.199
When you when you've gone out to the other states,

661
00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:41.199
have you had activity like like you would get in Ohio,

662
00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:43.840
like some of the things encounters you had there.

663
00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:51.400
So in Vermont, we had some whoops one night, probably

664
00:42:51.519 --> 00:42:55.239
the noisiest or the I would say the closest out

665
00:42:55.280 --> 00:43:00.599
of state I've been was on the North Carolina Virginia

666
00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:06.559
border at the Great Dismal Swamp Okay. I was in

667
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:12.119
there after night, after hours. They're kind of a strict

668
00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:16.480
park and they're transtricting out for hours, but there's a

669
00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:19.920
canoe trail and you can camp it for free. You

670
00:43:20.199 --> 00:43:22.760
just have to reserve it. It's owned by the Army

671
00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:26.800
Corps of Engineers and you canoe all the way back

672
00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:33.079
by Lake Drummond and there's like a big gazeba with

673
00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:36.960
mosquito net around it and you can primitive camp on

674
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:40.880
it overnight or for however long you reserve it for

675
00:43:41.119 --> 00:43:43.920
and it's completely free. You just have to get there.

676
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:46.920
But the only way to get to it is canoe kayak.

677
00:43:47.039 --> 00:43:52.119
And there's water moccas sins. That's like the most northern territory.

678
00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:58.679
There's black bears, people say there's alligators. Some dick weed

679
00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:01.519
said there was a bull shark in there one time,

680
00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:04.480
and just shit that would kill you, scare you of

681
00:44:04.599 --> 00:44:07.320
his death and make you not want to go. But

682
00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:11.000
we went. And the worst thing was, I now know

683
00:44:11.079 --> 00:44:13.960
why that mosquito net was up. Could you had to

684
00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:17.079
take IV bags with you to keep your own blood

685
00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:23.039
inside of you. Horrible. They would shoe your they could,

686
00:44:23.559 --> 00:44:27.280
they could fly away with a small child. Oh yeah,

687
00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:32.360
they were just crazy mosquito. So I now understand why

688
00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:35.880
that scream house exist and it's for you to put

689
00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:39.000
your tent in. I wish I had known that, because

690
00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:41.599
my tent was outside of it and it ended up

691
00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:44.559
going in it in the middle of the night. But yeah,

692
00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:49.000
but yeah, that that area of the Great Dismal Swamp

693
00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:53.800
was just creepy. It hit and there was you know,

694
00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:55.920
you to hear like it. You'd be sitting there in

695
00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:59.320
the pitch dark and you're away from all the towns.

696
00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:02.400
It is black black out there, and then in the

697
00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:08.199
slump here and it's like some of a gun And

698
00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:11.159
you know, back then, I didn't have my thermals. I

699
00:45:11.280 --> 00:45:14.159
didn't even have night beasion. I had flashlights and a

700
00:45:14.320 --> 00:45:21.480
poloroid basin. But yeah, it was If I'd have had

701
00:45:21.519 --> 00:45:25.039
today's equipment, it would have been way more awesome, and

702
00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:30.239
I might have captured something because weird woops, not hoops,

703
00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:34.760
just all kinds of crazy vocals back there.

704
00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:39.440
You know, that's awesome. That's why you know, Matt and

705
00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:42.039
I are very secretive about our research spot, you know,

706
00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:46.119
because you have to be half crazy to go out

707
00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:51.400
there without any experience anyhow in terms of navigating just

708
00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:54.199
the roads, that's not even the hiking's nothing. Terrible parties

709
00:45:54.280 --> 00:45:59.079
getting to these areas. You could die driving there. It's

710
00:45:59.199 --> 00:46:01.199
not for the same learn. Yeah.

711
00:46:01.320 --> 00:46:04.440
And our friend, our friend, our friend, Mike Ann just said,

712
00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:07.079
and you're gonna drive in at least an hour for gas.

713
00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:10.280
Yeah, that's true. You're gonna drive for leading now and

714
00:46:10.360 --> 00:46:10.960
to get gas.

715
00:46:12.519 --> 00:46:12.800
Wow.

716
00:46:13.920 --> 00:46:17.119
But you know, to your point, Mike, these remote places,

717
00:46:18.119 --> 00:46:20.760
you know, get underserved because of what it takes to

718
00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:24.239
get there. And not everybody, even bigfoot researchers, not everybody

719
00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:28.320
wants to put in that physical effort or that amount

720
00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:32.199
of danger to get out there, because look, there are

721
00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:35.480
things like poisonous snakes or venomous snakes I'm sorry, not

722
00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:39.920
poisonous venamous snakes, uh, you know, and insects and and

723
00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:42.079
things that can cause you more harm. I mean, you

724
00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:43.719
have more of a chance of getting bitten by a

725
00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:46.760
mosquito and getting less nile virus and you do seeing

726
00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:50.599
a big foot. So there are real associated dangers with this,

727
00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:54.159
and I think you know enough researchers that do this

728
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:56.480
hardcore like yourself, don't get enough credit for going to

729
00:46:56.559 --> 00:47:00.360
those underserved areas because it ain't easy and it takes

730
00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:03.039
a certain level of commitment and dedication to go there.

731
00:47:03.719 --> 00:47:05.119
Speaking of flying as.

732
00:47:06.119 --> 00:47:09.559
Ith in the order I get, I'm still stupid enough

733
00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:13.000
to think I could do it again. But it's like

734
00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:18.920
I should know better, but I don't, because yeah, like

735
00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:21.480
three years yeah, it was three years ago. I fell

736
00:47:21.559 --> 00:47:25.119
off a cliff and I went about twenty foot.

737
00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:29.840
He had that video it was on Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.

738
00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:33.639
Even got the slow mode version and twenty five feet

739
00:47:33.760 --> 00:47:38.280
I'm managed to drop ninety seven f bombs and yeah,

740
00:47:39.239 --> 00:47:40.800
it was. It was quite the fall.

741
00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:43.440
I remember watching that.

742
00:47:47.079 --> 00:47:50.639
I'm pretty sure it's on the app in the video section.

743
00:47:51.039 --> 00:47:55.920
I'm pretty sure. Not that I hope, not that I

744
00:47:56.000 --> 00:47:57.920
ever laughed at anybody's miserd but you got to check

745
00:47:57.960 --> 00:48:01.760
that out, folks, because I'm it is. It is again,

746
00:48:01.880 --> 00:48:07.239
as with Mike, very entertaining. Uh worked the watch well, it.

747
00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:10.880
Just had to be. It was like made for it

748
00:48:11.440 --> 00:48:14.920
that the last stupid ass thing I said was famous

749
00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:19.679
last words. And I got about and I fell off

750
00:48:19.719 --> 00:48:24.039
the cliff and I just was like I just finished saying,

751
00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:27.280
you know, this is stupid, this is crazy. I'll probably

752
00:48:27.400 --> 00:48:33.039
die famous last word down the hill like Nate mileing

753
00:48:33.199 --> 00:48:37.039
out like yeah you said it now, my ass, Yeah,

754
00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:41.480
my buddy, I just remember hearing. I'll be right there.

755
00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:46.360
You stay up there, I'll meet you. I'll walk out.

756
00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:48.440
I'm fine, I'll be fine.

757
00:48:48.599 --> 00:48:52.159
You did and you did it out I did.

758
00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:56.400
I don't have the picture anymore, but I couldn't walk

759
00:48:56.480 --> 00:49:01.440
straight for a week and my back was black. It

760
00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:06.719
wasn't purple, it was black. It was just because that's

761
00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:09.440
what stopped me was a tree. If I wanted to

762
00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:12.440
hit that tree and just somersaulted, not a thing. It

763
00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:16.199
was just one of those lucky falls, as if falling

764
00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:19.519
is unlucky. But I had If I want to hit

765
00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:21.599
a tree, nothing would have happened. It was like a

766
00:49:21.679 --> 00:49:25.840
real easy fall, even though it was twenty feet. But no,

767
00:49:26.079 --> 00:49:28.920
I hit the only tree in the area and that's

768
00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:32.280
what stopped me at full speed. So you can see

769
00:49:32.320 --> 00:49:35.440
the tree shake in the video where I hit it,

770
00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:37.960
and it I mean, it's not a little tree.

771
00:49:38.360 --> 00:49:44.880
So yeah, just check out the studio. It's working. Monetize

772
00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:46.599
it that way you make a little money off can

773
00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:46.920
you know.

774
00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:54.159
Yeah, another everything on that is one hundred percent free.

775
00:49:54.440 --> 00:49:57.880
I make zero money off of it. But that's the

776
00:49:57.960 --> 00:50:01.119
way I because at first everyone was like, well, you

777
00:50:01.239 --> 00:50:03.320
need to charge this, you need to charge you need

778
00:50:03.480 --> 00:50:06.400
charge of that, and like the first month I did

779
00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:10.920
and I was like, that ain't me. That's not who

780
00:50:11.039 --> 00:50:14.199
I am. So I deleted all that and it screwed

781
00:50:14.320 --> 00:50:17.159
up the entire app. So then I had to kind

782
00:50:17.199 --> 00:50:21.360
of rebuild it real quick and dig into the memory.

783
00:50:21.639 --> 00:50:27.159
But yeah, so there's no charge for that app what soever.

784
00:50:27.719 --> 00:50:29.360
Nothing on it costs money.

785
00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:35.840
That's yeah, right, It's a pretty noble gesture because it

786
00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:39.519
is expensive to run these things, and you know, so

787
00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:42.199
thanks for providing that to the general public and to

788
00:50:42.280 --> 00:50:43.760
the rest of us for using it, because I think

789
00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:46.199
it's a great tool, and I think folks more than

790
00:50:46.280 --> 00:50:50.280
folks need to contribute to it in terms of information,

791
00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:54.679
uh and data, so we can all kind of benefit

792
00:50:54.760 --> 00:50:57.679
through each other's word. My favorite feature of it so

793
00:50:57.840 --> 00:51:00.840
far is is really the I call it the credibility meter.

794
00:51:01.119 --> 00:51:04.079
That's what we'll call it, the credibility And I like that.

795
00:51:04.920 --> 00:51:05.880
I like that a lot.

796
00:51:06.199 --> 00:51:11.039
It's because I think even if somebody when I'm investigating

797
00:51:11.079 --> 00:51:13.079
these reports and I go out and just because I

798
00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:15.679
get it, you know again, I like to tell people

799
00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:17.840
just because I'm nice and I'm friendly doesn't mean I

800
00:51:17.960 --> 00:51:20.079
believe it, you know. It means that I'm going to

801
00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:23.760
listen and be respectful and gather the information that I can.

802
00:51:23.960 --> 00:51:26.039
Sometimes I don't find a lot of merit in it,

803
00:51:26.159 --> 00:51:29.880
and I think I don't think there's anything wrong with

804
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:32.920
putting a you know what as the investigator is somebody

805
00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:34.400
who looked at it. This is where I think the

806
00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:37.320
credibility level is of this. It doesn't mean that people

807
00:51:37.360 --> 00:51:39.840
are lying or not telling me the truth. Maybe they

808
00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:43.599
saw something else. Maybe there's something rational that we can

809
00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:45.719
explain it with that they couldn't at the time they

810
00:51:45.800 --> 00:51:49.639
reported it, right, And so that credibility meter is pretty cool,

811
00:51:49.639 --> 00:51:52.559
and I think it's I wish more is I don't

812
00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:54.320
want someone to seal it from me. Now more people

813
00:51:54.400 --> 00:51:57.920
had that, you know, the credibility meter own.

814
00:51:57.800 --> 00:51:59.920
Things, because here's report.

815
00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:00.679
So I'm gone through.

816
00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:04.400
Go ahead, Mike, I'm sorry, Oh no, no, I'm just

817
00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:07.320
saying with the credibility meter, I think there's some people

818
00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:09.360
like need to wear it on a jacket with a

819
00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:11.360
flight bar or something good.

820
00:52:11.480 --> 00:52:16.719
Right, you know, I want to believe everybody, but we

821
00:52:16.920 --> 00:52:20.840
just know that's not realistic and possible, and it doesn't

822
00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:25.599
mean that there's anything nefarious to it. It's just sometimes

823
00:52:25.639 --> 00:52:28.679
people are mistaken or there's you know, a lot of

824
00:52:29.039 --> 00:52:32.079
variables that go into it. And you know that I

825
00:52:32.159 --> 00:52:34.440
don't that the folks that might be listening that have

826
00:52:34.519 --> 00:52:37.199
a report, please don't discourage that from reporting it to us.

827
00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:41.639
You know, just know that as credible researchers, you know,

828
00:52:41.760 --> 00:52:44.320
we put when we post something like this to talk

829
00:52:44.360 --> 00:52:46.039
about it and put our names on it. That's our

830
00:52:46.119 --> 00:52:48.840
credibility attached to it as well, you know.

831
00:52:49.280 --> 00:52:54.519
Yeah. Yeah, and Mike, as far as posting your information,

832
00:52:55.039 --> 00:52:59.239
I have that mill end too, the app that uh

833
00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:03.440
ghost I think, yeah, have we got a damn light?

834
00:53:04.239 --> 00:53:06.599
But yeah, it's built into the app that if you

835
00:53:06.719 --> 00:53:10.800
post a photo or a video, I have a disclaimer

836
00:53:10.920 --> 00:53:15.800
that I don't own your information. It's your information, but

837
00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:18.880
the app will put a water mark all the way

838
00:53:18.960 --> 00:53:22.440
across it that only stays on the app, but that

839
00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:26.920
so no one can steal your information, you know, steal

840
00:53:26.960 --> 00:53:31.199
your picture and post it later say look this picture really,

841
00:53:31.360 --> 00:53:33.400
why does it say the big Foot app all the

842
00:53:33.480 --> 00:53:35.239
way across it in the watermark?

843
00:53:35.480 --> 00:53:37.719
So yeah, yeah, I'm not great.

844
00:53:37.559 --> 00:53:41.760
Seeing your info. I'm just protecting your info for you.

845
00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:46.719
And there's a disclaimer right at the top that with

846
00:53:46.960 --> 00:53:50.440
anything you post that that disclaimer pops up.

847
00:53:51.480 --> 00:53:55.239
So, Mike, where can folks come listen to you speak

848
00:53:55.320 --> 00:53:56.320
or find out more about you?

849
00:53:58.400 --> 00:54:02.840
This year I have the hucking Hills big Foot Festival

850
00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:10.639
August fourteenth and fifteenth, and I'm the key speaker Bee Mills.

851
00:54:10.719 --> 00:54:15.400
Give me two hours to play with so and then

852
00:54:15.519 --> 00:54:20.280
after that I'm up in up By Lake Erie and

853
00:54:20.360 --> 00:54:24.559
I'll have to find the info. But it's called squatching Sip.

854
00:54:25.119 --> 00:54:29.599
It's at a winery. It's like something way out of

855
00:54:29.679 --> 00:54:32.519
my realm with something. I've never been to a winery

856
00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:33.760
in my life.

857
00:54:35.079 --> 00:54:35.239
Now.

858
00:54:35.360 --> 00:54:38.000
When I was younger, I bought some bottles of wild

859
00:54:38.119 --> 00:54:43.920
Irish rose, if that count. But yeah, you know, I

860
00:54:44.159 --> 00:54:47.880
was influenced by Mad Dog and Boone Farm, not actual

861
00:54:48.280 --> 00:54:52.760
like wineries. So but it'll be up there, and then

862
00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:56.519
i'll be at the Mohican Festival, and next year I'll

863
00:54:56.559 --> 00:55:01.800
be at the Fayette County Ordeal there Pennsylvania.

864
00:55:01.480 --> 00:55:03.599
Okay, very good.

865
00:55:04.400 --> 00:55:08.119
Matt. You got any final questions or anything for Mike

866
00:55:08.199 --> 00:55:09.719
before we sign off of the evening?

867
00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:14.559
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I think we covered quite a bit.

868
00:55:14.719 --> 00:55:18.440
It was a it was a great hour. And and uh, Mike,

869
00:55:18.559 --> 00:55:22.280
I'm gonna jump on that app tomorrow. And uh and

870
00:55:22.719 --> 00:55:24.360
like I said, Sean and I, you have a couple

871
00:55:24.639 --> 00:55:26.920
couple decent things we can, uh, we can put on

872
00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:28.599
there for our part of Pennsylvania.

873
00:55:28.719 --> 00:55:33.519
Yeah, some of the US jumped on already. Yeah. Yeah.

874
00:55:34.400 --> 00:55:37.280
So at the top right corner, you can build your

875
00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:42.039
own profile at your own uh photograph if you want to,

876
00:55:42.719 --> 00:55:46.000
you know, so people can sometimes a picture with the

877
00:55:46.159 --> 00:55:49.159
name is great. So and you don't have to. The

878
00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:52.880
app still works without it. But Sean, you can turn

879
00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:56.000
off your Wi Fi and the app will still work.

880
00:55:56.239 --> 00:55:58.280
Every part of that I love.

881
00:55:58.360 --> 00:56:03.840
That will still work work offline. And but I will

882
00:56:03.920 --> 00:56:07.480
say this, do not touch the SOS button.

883
00:56:08.159 --> 00:56:10.000
No, well we know about that one.

884
00:56:10.079 --> 00:56:10.320
Yeah.

885
00:56:11.119 --> 00:56:14.880
Yeah. If you go to the big Foot back pack,

886
00:56:14.960 --> 00:56:17.639
which is your hiking tools, at the bottom, there's an

887
00:56:17.880 --> 00:56:22.599
SOS button. If you push that, the Coastguard is coming,

888
00:56:23.159 --> 00:56:28.440
Search and Rescue is coming, This department is coming. I've

889
00:56:28.480 --> 00:56:32.840
already had one user make that mistake. Do not touch

890
00:56:32.960 --> 00:56:38.320
the SOS button unless it is an SOS SO because

891
00:56:38.360 --> 00:56:41.519
they won't find you. It goes by satellite, not white

892
00:56:41.559 --> 00:56:41.880
up eye.

893
00:56:42.599 --> 00:56:47.000
Well, listen as somebody as guys that really really preach

894
00:56:47.119 --> 00:56:51.679
the safety aspect of that. That's pretty phenomenal because sometimes

895
00:56:51.760 --> 00:56:55.280
we get into some spots where it may be needed,

896
00:56:55.639 --> 00:56:58.039
you know, so that's pretty awesome. Good job on this

897
00:56:58.159 --> 00:57:00.320
at Man, Seriously, thanks for spending some time in sharing

898
00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:04.599
it with us. Definitely have you on again when we'll

899
00:57:04.639 --> 00:57:06.239
get the rest of the guys here to have some

900
00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:09.360
laughs and maybe fix us internet tonight where it's not

901
00:57:09.440 --> 00:57:13.760
so buffering on me yep. But definitely a great show, guys.

902
00:57:13.880 --> 00:57:17.280
Thanks for tuning in. Folks. I'm Sean Forker, that's Matt Arner,

903
00:57:17.400 --> 00:57:20.239
He's Mike Cartman. Come back and see us again, folks.

904
00:57:20.280 --> 00:57:23.199
Sasquatch Experience dot Com. If Henry is here, you know

905
00:57:23.239 --> 00:57:26.000
what he'd say, you all be good or be good

906
00:57:26.079 --> 00:57:28.320
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907
00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:31.599
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908
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909
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