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The views and opinions expressed by the
guests of Sasquatch Experience do not necessarily reflect

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the opinion of the host, sponsors, or affiliates of the Sasquatch Experience.

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As always, listener discretion is advised. We got someone or something crawling around

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out here? Does a legend walk
among us working in the forests of our

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world? Did you see what it
was? Was it a person or an

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animal? Or I can't go.
All I know is that my vener light

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came on and I did that with
the glen and see this thing running across

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the yard. A good fight man
or nothing works like a man. I

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don't know what it was. For
over fifteen years, we've talked with scientists,

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researchers, investigators, and witnesses trying
to gain insight and truth around the

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distance of this mysterious entity. Jesus
Que, Carol, Hello, get somebody

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out here. What's going announce their
invective about six foot? I don't know,

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easy announce there, Yes, I'm
walking right away. Oh okay,

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hand on her yarn? Yeah,
got you're big? Okay, what's he

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doing in your yard? We're gonna
move. You join us as we continue

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into the investigation of the Sasquatch Experience. Well, good evening, everybody.

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Welcome to Sasquatch Experience for Monday.
What is this March twenty fifth, twenty

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twenty four. Guys. We've had
a lot go on today behind the scenes

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to put this show together. I
mean, we put a lot into tonight's

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show and hopefully it goes as smooth
as it was supposed to. Matt unfortunately

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got called into duty tonight, so
we lost Matt this evening. He was

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really looking forward to the show.
So we send our apologies and matp be

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safe out there, my friend.
He's out there on a call as he

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is a law enforcement officer, so
we always wish him the best, and

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particularly tonight as he's got a difficult
assignment ahead of him. And then Henry

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May is being ravaged down south by
some severe weather and he couldn't keep a

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connection if his life depended on it. Therefore, we lost Henry tonight as

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well. So it's just the three
of us, the three Amigos, the

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three Stooges, the three and apparently
tonight's also a musical. What the hell?

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So there you are, guys.
Tonight is a really, really a

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special show. For me because this
is a person w D forty, that

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frickin chairman for the love of christ
one the chair. Yeah, that's awful,

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that's awful. Anyhow, this show
titled Simply Freeman about Paul Freeman Paul

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Freeman's footage, and this is where
I was hoping Henry was here tonight because

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Henry has been around the mill probably
along the same time as Paul Freeman,

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and had a lot more insight.
So hopefully as the weather clears up,

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he may join us. But where
we're at is what it is. But

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years ago, maz Adams and I
interviewed Michael Freeman, who's the son of

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Paul Freeman, the gentleman we're talking
about tonight, for an episode of our

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podcast at the time called The Nocturnal
Journal, and it was a real intimate

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look into the life of his father, Paul. And you know, something

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special about a son being able to
reminisce about his dad, who's really a

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legend in this field, you know, almost as big as the Sasquatch legends

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himself. Oftentimes, we have built
up these folklore around the investigators who have

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been part of this story. I
mean, without them, it's just a

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bunch of people going around in the
woods looking for a big, hairy ape

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loses a little bit of the romanticism. And guys, if you think about

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it, the human experience is just
that our quest for you know, knowledge

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and adventure, and it's just not
you know, this research isn't the same

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without the colorful personalities that have been
a part of it even well before we

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came onto the scene. But an
avid hunter and outdoorsman, Paul's life changed

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in June of nineteen eighty two when
he encountered what he believed to be assassquatch

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in the Blue Mountains of Washington State. After the encounter, Paul became a

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man obsessed with proving the existence of
the creature, and during the eighties into

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the nineties worked with researchers such as
Vance Orchard and West Summerlind stomping the Blue

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Mountain region, finding footprints and following
up on citing reports pretty much what we

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do today, and that was you
know, he got a good fifteen year

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run and then unfortunately he at the
age of fifty nine due to complications with

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diabetes. The most remarkable thing about
Paul was that on one August day in

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nineteen ninety two August twentieth, nineteen
ninety two, in an area known as

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the d Duck Springs Watershed. He
followed the footprints that he found in the

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ground. With his Sony camcorder in
hand, he filmed the almost eight minute

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video of what could very well be
a sasquatch. Today we call the Freeman

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Footage, and tonight it's all about
talking about this legendary researcher, his footage

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and more so, we got a
good show lined up before we dive into

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this. We do have some housekeeping
notes. Come see us this Saturday at

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the pen Ohio Paranormal Conference at the
Hickory VFW from ten to six. Five

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speakers Tony Lavorne, Diamond, Jim
Boardwine, David Kerrie Rupert, Robert Solomon,

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and Christine Soltis with more than forty
vendors, and Amy Boo, our

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dear friend Amy Boo will be the
mc ME. Matt and Baker will be

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there to represent Sasquatch experience, and
we'll be doing some live streaming. So

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stop by and say hi. We
could talk more about this show tonight.

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You can come and abuse us,
beat us up, whatever you like to

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do, but we'll be there from
ten to six. Yeah, seriously,

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bring your stories. We do like
to listen and get them, map them,

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and go out and research them.
In fact, that's why starting on

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April eighth, we're returning to a
bi weekly format, which is being done

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to take more time to make bonus
content, spend more time involved in the

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research. We've got a lot going
on. I know, Matt and I

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are really hitting the woods heavy.
We got some great projects going up with

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our friends at Small Town Monsters and
some other assorted assignments. We just got

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a lot going on. So I
think I've talked enough. Oh wait a

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minute, just a couple more things, Matt Arner. Next week we'll be

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on Sasquatch Watch Radio at nine pm
over on Facebook, you know, just

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running contemporary, and that night we'll
have Chester More with us, long time

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researcher and author of the book Bigfoot
South, which is now available for purchase

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at the website Bigfootsouth dot com.
And as much as we love live streaming,

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Sasquatch Experience is still a podcast.
That's where we make our money.

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And if you want to go watch
bat live and listen to us in the

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podcast, we're okay with that too, But either way, we're glad you're

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here. So, folks, welcome
to tonight's show. A little bit about

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Paul Freeman. I'm gonna take a
break from talking vance Baker. I'm gonna

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let you guys go at it for
a minute. What questions do you got

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or what are your feelings about this
legendary researcher. Well, Bake, if

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you want to go first, and
if you steal my questions or my thoughts,

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I'm gonna have to hit you.
But you can go first. Well,

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gee, thanks there threatening me and
all that. Okay, Well,

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with the with him, it seemed
like he spent a lot of time in

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you know, the field and things
like that over the ten years. Was

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the footage the only thing that we
got from that, or did he have

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other other times that there were other
big, big evidence. Yeah, I'm

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glad you brought that up because Paul
Freeman. Paul, and I think it's

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because aware he lived. You know, here in the East Coast, we

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have a hard time getting footprints because
of the type of soil we have.

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It's very rocky, hard soil,
not really conducive of getting footprints unless there's

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mud or something that's kind of mucking
it up or sand. However, out

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in the Pacific Northwest, it's a
lot of volcanic ash. And as I

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did some research today into this,
because I had a lot of things that

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I was doing, there is a
something in the substrate called lois. Yes,

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it's called lois, and it's akin
to what they call glacial flour,

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which is very fine particles of sediment. And these particles of sediment are great

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for retaining detail. So that's why
Paul was able to get so many footprint

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castings and so on and so forth. Because of that substrate out there,

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he was able to really get some
good, decent impressions. And Paul had

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a lot of foot casts. In
fact, many people that we know.

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Gwen Purcell are good friend over at
Gotten Knockers, also one of our sponsors.

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She has quite a few that she
was able to procure for Mike Freeman.

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I know Mike was selling quite a
bit. I think Dave Groves,

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another one of our friends, had
some footprints from himself. I mean,

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there's an awful lot of footprints that
all was able to cast. And I

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think because of that that gave people
some doubt to his credibility because here's this

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guy going out and every time he's
going out, he's seeing footprints, he's

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getting footprints. And if that's the
case, well, no shit, I

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mean he's he's got the perfect soil
composition out there. And the other thing

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you have to remember in this area, there's no roads. There's no man

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made roads. They're all kind of
nature cut paths and forest roads, but

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they're not pavement like, it's no
wonder that he's able to find so many

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of these footprint castings. And also
keep in mind we've had Jenny and Jamie

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King, and one of the things
they've always talked about for since I've known

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them was having a micro study area, an area you consistently went back to,

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spent a lot of time at,
and spent the time doing the investigation.

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And essentially what they've done Wes summerlind
and Vance Orchard and Paul As they

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took this area and made it a
micro research area in a way. Maybe

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not micro in the truest fence,
but that area was their research area.

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That's where they went and that's where
they spent their time. So it's no

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wonder they were able to get so
much information and evidence from that spot.

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Well, the answer the question.
You know. The thing with what you

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said was is you know they talk
about people, they get too much evidence.

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But the thing is, though,
was that's why I hate reality TV.

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Like I like a lot of people
on the TV. I've talked to

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them, We've hung out with them. They're good people. But like it's

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kind of like a fish and show. You know, those guys didn't sit

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there half hour and catch nine humongous
trout. They were their twelve hours straight

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and they copulated, compiled. Either
way, there's no fish population, you

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know. That's that's how they're letting
the mesh. Now it's not weights anymore,

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okay, anyway, oh so like
so like anyway, it's like you

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watch a lot of these shows and
it's like at the end of the night,

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we have these fifteen bags of evidence, twenty seven tracks and I know,

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but like if you have a got
you know, and you know this

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as much as I do, Sean
is we have a little area that's just

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land I own. You get could
know that area. I know when dare

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have been in certain spots. I
know when things have changed. I know

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where certain sounds are coming from.
So like the same with having a you

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know, even if it's you know, three acres or it's twenty, you

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know, something's been there, you
know. Yeah, good point man.

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You know. Unfortunately, like you
said at the top of the there is

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some serious weather going through where Henry
is at, and unfortunately he's not able

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to be with us at least currently. But the question I'll throw out to

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the two of you is, and
this is a question being asked because I

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want to respond to it, regarding
the Freeman film, at what point in

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the books that have been written,
do you suppose the year or at least

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the era in which the tracks were
noted that they are in line with each

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other as they are seen. And
the reason why I bring that up is

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because Paulsey's tracks, he's recording it
on his VHS recorder, his Sony recorder,

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and he casts the Prince and then
he turns the camera back on,

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and I noticed the four prints that
he casted are directly in line with each

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other. But yet he never once
said anything of ooh, look, these

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tracks are in line with each other. And I'm curious to know when did

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that observation come about in the genre
of bigfoot research as far as tracks being

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in line with each other? As
they're discovered. I want to say,

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probably you go back to the construction
site with Jerry Crewe when they were finding

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all the footprints around the heavy equipment
out in California, probably in the fifties

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would be when I was first exposed
to know large concentrated amounts of footprints.

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You think I remember, feet don't
excite me, like I don't get really

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excited about footprint impressions. At the
end of the day, there are very

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large footprint impressions. I don't like
feet, so therefore I don't have an

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interest in big footprints. The things
that interest me are the hair samples that

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come back, unidentified sounds. Even
tree knocking doesn't get me that excited.

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So it's just, you know,
a personal preference. You ask good question,

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my answer, and I could be
wrong, and if anybody says I'm

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wrong, you could put it in
the comments. I'd probably say in the

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fifties with the Jerry Crue prints,
Okay, that's interesting within itself. But

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he never once mentioned the fact that
ooh, in the video, ooh,

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look, these tracks are in line
and unfortunately, being that it's low quality

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VHS, and I get it right, he had the tape measure laid out

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and he said, oh, this
footprint is nine inches long. But he

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also made the comment that because as
you watch the video you see tracks moving

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in both directions up the hill and
down the hill, and whether or not

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the sediment in which these footprints were
left in were very soft or not,

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they're pretty deep impressions. I you
know, you're talking a half inch maybe

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an inch in some of the cases
that he was tak making the videos of.

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But it's impressive because I don't think
you or I could leave an impression

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that deep in that type of sentiment. So well, just because you happened

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to print the foot just because you
happened to bring up the footprints, I

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wanted to notate, and one of
our listeners, Dan had commented, but

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I also wanted to notate that in
ninety one January fourteenth, nineteen ninety one,

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called the Mill Creek Road footprints,
they call it the seven mile tracks.

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Paul Freeman and them followed prints for
two miles or a man named Greg

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May followed them for a cumulative six
to eight miles of tracks for these prints,

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which is probably longer than I think
the London track away which they've been

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talking about for a long time.
But then Dan points out there was one

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point where the FBI identified his footprints
as an unknown species, which back then

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was a pretty big deal. Yeah. I mean, the problem that we

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always run into with Paul Freeman,
and I think it's an unfair problem,

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but it's a problem of his own
devices, is that so many people were

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skeptical of his character because, either
through memory issues or other situations, she

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just wasn't able to recall specifics of
his sightings, or sometimes the details would

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change. You know what, I
hate to tell you something, folks.

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You tell a story long enough,
sometimes the details just change. Sometimes you

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add little embellishments to make it a
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Baker bust my balls all the time
because you know, tell a story for

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a long time, a Baker's like, well, I don't remember it that

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way. Well, you know,
we have to add a little color.

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As long as the concept in the
core of it remains true, the specific

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he said, she said, is
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as long as the core of it
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colorful, people who are very creative
people that have to keep it entertaining from

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themselves in order to tell a good
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both ways, though, because there's
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you have fill in the blanks,
the specifics because I don't remember somebody's name,

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or like we were in Tennessee,
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you know, And because to me, the core is to get you to

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know what the conversation was, where
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you understand all the facts of the
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people tell the same story over and
over again and it becomes robotic that they

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shed part as much as they add
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mention that it was raining today because
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story. But if the ground was
wet, and that's how come I got

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the better tracks, and I need
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where it rained earlier. Same with
the fact as we talk about you said

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about the video was is you know, he didn't measure the difference between the

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feet and the different things you got
to realizes sometimes in the beginning of some

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of these investigators, it isn't like
today where I can look on the internet

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or I can call Matt Arner and
go, hey, man, how would

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you if you had six foot prints
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a suspect? How would you handle
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walk you through the steps? Back
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the hit, you know, and
like, so there might have been moments

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in the video he's like, wasn't
important, And then you know, two

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years later he's like, oh shit, I did measure that. Here it's

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in a magic notebook. I forgot
now, or hey it didn't you know,

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or hey, I just didn't bring
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in the front of my mind as
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Point I want to make, and
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that they were shooting from the hip. They didn't have a Meldrum at that

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point. Meldrum doesn't come along till
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Meldrim. They did have Grover Krantz, but Grover Krantz was a you know,

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not a professor in anatomy, right. He was an anthropology professor,

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so that was a little a little
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there's there's just so much of what
Paul discovered in that area. He also

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discovered a handprint, you know,
which I'll try to find a picture and

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post that up at some point during
the show because I'm still trying to get

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a copy of that. I would
love to have a copy of the hammer.

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I have a copy of the knuckle
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copy of the handprint. I got
the knuckle print and a footprint cast from

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Meldrum at at Cabela's when they were
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back, not the newer one,
but the one way, you know,

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preceding that Rare, Strange and Unusual
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Not that that matters to the overall
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was able to get some prints that
were very unique and that other folks

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hadn't really done at the time.
I mean, who who here can say

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in this you know, at least
the between us three panelists that you know,

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how common is it for us to
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kidding. And the other thing is, though you look at it from his

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perspective, if you want to put
Meldrum pulled Framan out, put Meldrum in

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his place, what if the evidence
read different, maybe because Meldron might have

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gone, Okay, here's the trigonometry
of where the handprint is to where the

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footprint is, so he might be
this high. And since that, you

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know, there might have been a
lot more maths and detective work if another

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researcher was in that place, right, Gwen. State's also back in the

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early nineties there wasn't cell phones or
the internet, so contacting people was not

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as easy. You're right. You
had to rely on snail mail and hopefully

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somebody was at home by by their
telephone in order to get a phone calls

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that maybe beepers. You're right,
but still who had those? You know?

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I mean, not exactly. Gone
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On that video that Paul took,
he had his tape measure laid out.

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Again, I can't read the tape
measure because it's VHS low quality. He

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said it's nine inches, it must
be a younger one. But what he

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also did is he laid the tape
measure out in the stride, and he

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showed the stride at thirty two inches. Now I want to see you,

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either one of the two of you
or four of us do a stride at

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thirty two inches in line. And
that's what made it peculiar to me to

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say, well, that's completely not
like somebody would have been on a hike

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at least with their toes showing.
Because there are a couple of the casts

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that Paul did take and you can
see toe prints. Are we out there

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barefoot in it? At nine foot? Look, my shoe size currently is

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twelve feet. Am I a juvenile
and still able to take a thirty two

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inch stride? That's pretty peculiar,
but it's very convincing at the same time.

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So what we have to show folks
tonight is a twenty five second clip

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that's been stabilized of the Freeman Freeman
footage. Now, keep in mind this

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was taken on a Sony cam quarter
in nineteen ninety two. A lot of

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people mistake it for nineteen ninety four. It was done in nineteen ninety two.

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That's right, it's important. I
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going to see is nineteen ninety two, folks, I'm gonna cue up here

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so you can see. It's twenty
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VHS footage. Oh there you go, Yeah, get up here and seeing

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foot Now, Paul Freeman sounds a
lot like me. You know, he's

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six foot five, I'm five.
I'm five foot six. We both go

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about the same weight. So there's
a little bit of exasperation and what have

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you. There. But now keep
in mind twenty five second clip of that

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seven minute video, which we'll put
links to it in the show notes so

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folks can go and make up their
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think that footage is something special.
I think, to me it's more I

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don't know, I've always had more
validity in that than the Patterson film.

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But I mean, if you take
a couple notes from it, there's that

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side view of that. It looks
at the camera right, looks back,

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probably seeing what the hell's going on, takes off very big, bulky creature

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doesn't move so fast, which everybody
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I don't know if that's the case
or not. But when they went and

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did some surveys of the tree.
I believe it was. The tree measured

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sixteen and a half foot tall,
and he said it came up to about

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the halfway point of the tree,
which would put it at eight feet.

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Measurements give it seven feet. And
of course now they always talk that the

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patty subject was probably only six foot
three, six foot four, not seven

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feet. So it's definitely a big
figure that you're talking about. Dan says,

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you can hear his genuine surprise and
shock and all in the video.

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Absolutely, And I think that's the
one thing of all the things you could

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say, Oh there, he goes, like, if you're gonna fabricate something,

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don't you think you'd have something a
little bit more Exactly then the Jesus,

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like I get it. It does
say that, And I'm glad you

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brought that up because his specific quote
as soon as he sees that movement,

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he at first he said he hears
popping in the shrubs, and then he

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says, oh there, he goes, well, that's probably something I would

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say if I saw that too,
And then as soon as he clearly sees

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it, he says, Jesus and
his breathing listen to his breathing pattern as

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it's walking away. Aa oh there
you go. Yes, get up here,

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Al, I'm seeing your foot,
yeah, I mean. Jamie King

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notes what always impressed me was how
shiny the hair appears, like it's kind

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of glistening from something kind of greasy
or or wet. Now I believe.

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He also states that he felt they
were drinking from the watershed down there,

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so there's a potentiality of why it
might also be damp looking. It's it

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is nine twenty seven, folks,
We do have to take our break.

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Stay tuned. We'll be back.
Sean Palker, Vince James Baker, Sasquatch

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Experience will see you on the other
side. Steve I. Simon, Our

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life always brings camping is a tradition
in my family. Hey, it was

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a tradition in everyone's family till we
came up with the house. My parents

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never took me camping. You know
why, because they loved me. Okay,

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it closes into nature. I want
to keep the relationship professional. If

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it's so great outside, why are
all the bugs trying to get in my

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house? Ah? Yes, just
the season for the camping reason. This

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is the bigfoot bullhorn right here on
the Sasquatch experience. Anybody have any fun

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camping stories they'd like to share.
I'll go first. While dating my fiance

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at the time years ago, we
decided to go camping, got to the

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camp site a little bit late,
about ten o'clock at night, and set

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the tent up, and of course
we had a inflatable mattress, and in

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my genius, I brought along a
metal foot pump to fill that mattress.

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So by ten thirty at night,
campground's dead, silent, and all you

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could hear coming out of our tent
was the looks I got from our neighbors

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the next morning while cooking breakfast,
winks and nods. Anyway, this is

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the big football horn. Like I
mentioned earlier, and a couple of weeks

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ago, we did a news story
here about the resurrection and de extinction of

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the wooly mammoth. Now me personally, I don't think that's such a good

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idea, but that project is in
full swing, along with a documentary that

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is currently being produced. I just
don't think it's a good idea. They

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went extinct through selection, not by
man's hand, but science is at it

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again for another creature that went extinct, the thylazine or Tasmanian tiger is an

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animal that for many Australians is almost
a legend confined to history. They were

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driven to extinction. Yet for an
animal that was completely wiped out of existence

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nearly ninety years ago, it continues
to hold the place of endearment in the

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eyes of the public. The thylazine
was a unique marsupial species that is unlike

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any other around today as an apex
predator that looked physically like a dog or

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wolf. According to Professor Andrew Pass
from the University of Melbourne, it was

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the king of the marsupials until it's
extinction in nineteen thirty six. Now,

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unlike its common name suggests, the
Tasmanian tiger was once broadly distributed around Australia.

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However, the poor genetic health of
the species, much worse than that

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of the Tasmanian devil. In present
day, the introduction of dingos and other

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factors wiped out the thilazine from the
mainland. Since its extinction, the thylazine

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has endured in the Australian's consciousness as
a symbol of regret for the role in

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its decline and the decline of other
species. But what if there was a

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way to bring them back, and
if there was, should we The thilazine

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may be gone, but researchers at
the University of Melbourne, led by Professor

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Andrew Pask are working towards its de
extinction. No longer the stuff of science

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fiction, bringing a species back from
extinctnction is now a feasible scientific reality.

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The first step in reviving an extinct
species is to find a good source of

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DNA. While DNA is fortunately quite
hardy, it's subject to damage by various

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enzymes and chemicals, microorganisms, and
ultraviolet light. This means that while there

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are numerous thilazine samples found in collections
and in museums, few have been stored

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in such a way to completely protect
the DNA from denigration. Although this is

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good news for those concerned about a
Jurassic Park situation, as all dinosaur DNA

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is irreparably destroyed. Andrew did piece
together the best preserved DNA from a thylazine

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specimen a ten million piece puzzle and
sequenced the thylazine genome, providing all all

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the instructions needed to make a thylazine
me personally, I'm looking forward to keeping

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you all abreast of the Wooly Mammoth
Resurrection and a thylazine resurrection. As time

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to this edition of The Big Football
Horn exclusively right here on the Sasquatch Experience,

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and of course, as always,
gentlemen, until we meet again,

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keep your toe in the mind mine
sticky, keep your toes in the mud.

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Welcome back, folks. Sasquatch Experience. Sean Fokervince has it. James

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Baker, our guest, our co
host Henry May, who's not able to

409
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make it via video tonight, did
share this comment and the Facebook Freeman's footage

410
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is so criminally understudied. Scientists ignoring
this footage you need to get their heads

411
00:34:06.799 --> 00:34:09.960
out of the rear ends and take
a look at it. Something special about

412
00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:15.840
that, and as hard as you
can and pull your head out of your

413
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butt. Good to see you guys. Missed you last week. We missed

414
00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:24.199
you too, Jenny King. I
like how Bigfoot stomps like you can't see

415
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:27.960
me. You can't see me.
I'm right here in a tree. Stop

416
00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:34.039
not stomp Blue. Hello, several
reputable people have got the DNA filazine that

417
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had to have been your commercial,
and then me saying, keep the comments

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coming, Keep them coming, folks. We love to hear your comments.

419
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Read them during the show. Keeps
us interactive. But I did get a

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question from our executive producer, Brian
Corbin during the break. He sent me

421
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a message asking if I had any
photos of cast I have one better actually

422
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nineteen eighty six. There's a place
called Elk Wallow down at the bottom I

423
00:34:58.159 --> 00:35:01.519
think near Low Canyon. Could be
wrong, but if you read, there's

424
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a great book out called the Freeman
Bigfoot Files. Well worth the money.

425
00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:09.320
Go get yourself a copy. Hangar
when publishing Doug Highchack's companies putting it out

426
00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:15.559
there gives a grade overwritten by Paul
Freeman in conjunction with some other researchers about

427
00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:20.159
you know, written by Mike about
his father Paul, and one of the

428
00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:23.079
things they talk about in there is
the knuckle cast. And I told you

429
00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:28.440
guys, I procured a knuckle cast
from doctor Jeff Meldrum. So I'm going

430
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to show this to you guys.
Right here. This was the knuckle print,

431
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:36.440
and that's my hand. I don't
exactly have a small hand, but

432
00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:43.320
you can see the sasquatch potential sasquatch
knuckle right there for fingers and a thumb,

433
00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:47.400
and then just put that in comparison
to mine. That's a pretty big

434
00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:52.400
ass, big ass knuckle print,
right. I have it on display here

435
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:59.840
at the studio among some other artifacts. But it's remarkable because those are few

436
00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:02.800
and far between. You know,
often we get the footprints, but we

437
00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:08.000
don't get the Now that's a meat
hook, Yeah it is. It is,

438
00:36:08.079 --> 00:36:12.119
griff. That's a one hell of
imagine taking a shot from a sasquatch.

439
00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:16.400
It's gonna sting just a little bit. But rarely there's another one out

440
00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:19.599
there too. And I'll see if
I can pull some pictures up here.

441
00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:22.320
So when you search Paul Freeman,
a lot pops up. I like to

442
00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:25.599
be sure that what we're looking at
is actually Paul's and it takes a little

443
00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:31.079
time, especially now more than ever, but a Sasquatch legend. Meet science.

444
00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:37.880
Doctor Meldrim talks about the the Freeman
Prince. I mean, doctor Meldrim

445
00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:40.639
spent a lot of time with the
Paul Freeman Prince, and I have to

446
00:36:40.639 --> 00:36:44.599
tell you if it left him in
print, it left him impressed. I

447
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:47.880
think we all should be a little
impressed by them. He is a national

448
00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:52.800
treasure, national treasure, the good
doctor. What other questions do you,

449
00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:54.800
gentlemen have? I try to find
this vance. You were on a roll

450
00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:58.719
before I cut us off to go
to break well, I don't know that

451
00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:02.400
I was on a roll. Was
just the fact of, you know,

452
00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:09.920
talking about the fact of how he
said, oh here there he goes to

453
00:37:10.039 --> 00:37:16.960
a statement like that in the video. Seems so spontaneous and realistic to me.

454
00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:23.159
And then he's like Jesus and he
moves up the trail and you can

455
00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:30.159
hear how his breathing ray changed immediately. I mean, just watch a video.

456
00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:37.599
His breathing ray changed immediately, because
you can tell the adrenaline started to

457
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:40.679
pump right there. Is that a
fake? Yeah? I don't think so.

458
00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:47.039
Oh that's that's pretty genuine to me. I'm more convinced than it not

459
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:51.519
being a fake from the second half
of the video compared to the first half.

460
00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:54.039
One oh here he goes to me, is like, okay, that's

461
00:37:54.039 --> 00:37:59.320
showtime. Are my puppets out there? Compared to Jesus? And he's barely

462
00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:02.079
breathing trying to move around because it's
freaking him out. If he was prepared

463
00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:06.559
for this thing to be doing this, like how many other videos have we

464
00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:09.840
seen where oh, it's sasquatch and
now like and then then they happened to

465
00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:14.000
pan the camera just right, and
then they panted the camera where where he

466
00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:16.480
happened, you know what I mean? You could tell them whatever in the

467
00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:21.039
beginning, Like if it would have
just been just that statement and it would

468
00:38:21.119 --> 00:38:23.000
have been some other things, I
would have said, well, that seems

469
00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:27.480
like he was prepped for it to
happen, right, you know, Like

470
00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:31.000
you know, like like we always
talk about the evaporating deer story, but

471
00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:35.360
the fact is is, like we
were prepped. We were prepped for the

472
00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:38.599
action that was going to happen.
We were prepped that someone was going to

473
00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:43.719
hit that deer. We were not
prepped for the fact there was nobody and

474
00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:47.039
it exploded, you know what I
mean. But when he kind of said

475
00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:50.320
that. In the beginning, I
was kind of like, okay, so

476
00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:52.480
your actors in place, you know, that's kind of your action phrase.

477
00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:57.960
But then he's like Jesus, and
you know, he's he's having trouble breathing

478
00:38:57.960 --> 00:39:00.880
and stuff like that. That tells
me either he sincerely out of shape,

479
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:07.559
that he didn't expect he'd have to
move four feet, that he really is

480
00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:12.280
like this is not a drill.
Yeah. Well, all I could say

481
00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:16.800
is for any of our listeners,
if they want to go to YouTube and

482
00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:22.800
put in Paul Freeman footage and just
watch it for yourself, or watch what

483
00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:28.519
Shawn has put up, just watch
it for yourself. I really think there's

484
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:36.199
a lot of unscripted yeah events that
happened because he's all he's doing is he's

485
00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:43.199
video recording footprints and he's trying to
make sense of oh, well, the

486
00:39:43.239 --> 00:39:49.320
footprints moved up and then they came
back down again. They're clearly moving back

487
00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:53.880
and forth, and then this happened, and that's when he said, oh,

488
00:39:54.000 --> 00:40:00.360
there he goes. That changed the
entire dichotomy of what the video was

489
00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:05.079
showing. And that's my point too. And the nice thing I like about

490
00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:08.760
this video is you get a lot
of the b roll. And that's the

491
00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:14.639
one thing I always argue about when
you see these videos, it's like nothing,

492
00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:17.679
nothing, nothing, we got nothing
but sasquatch, you got nothing after

493
00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:22.519
you got nothing before. Okay,
so all day you didn't use the video

494
00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:25.119
camera at all, but you happen
to have it popped up when this sucker

495
00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:30.320
wanders by. Now, if you
were taking pictures of you and your you

496
00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:32.599
know, you take a video you
guys having a nice little picnic, and

497
00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:37.320
then a couple of minutes later you
pop up the video and there's a hairy

498
00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:40.440
thing trying to eat your wife,
you know, Like that's realistic compared to

499
00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:44.920
but there's no other video, and
then there's this thing coming to you.

500
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:49.679
Why did you have the camera out
if you weren't prepared, you know what

501
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:52.440
I mean, Like what was the
purpose of the camera. Like when I

502
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:55.000
go somewhere, like I take pictures
of projects I'm working on, or me

503
00:40:55.079 --> 00:40:58.880
and Forker are going to go somewhere
and like I have an idea what I

504
00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:00.519
want to do, but I want
to mentor like work on it. I'll

505
00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:05.800
take a lot of pictures so I
have to be fun after reel of that

506
00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:09.280
and in between there's a bigfoot segment. Then you could look at those and

507
00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:13.880
go okay. Baker had his camera
out because he was trying to figure out

508
00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:15.840
if he wanted to put a porch
here, or if you wanted to how

509
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:20.119
he wanted to do the roof on
a shed or whatever. And then as

510
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:24.360
he's looking, there's a soft squatch
standing there, you know, and then

511
00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:29.960
he's like, I fixated on that, And then there's you know, video

512
00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:35.039
of me forgetting the cameras on and
running because I'm not gonna get killed,

513
00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:37.639
you know, no. But but
you bring up the most important point that

514
00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:45.800
you know, Baker and myself and
Sean we've all exemplified upon if you're gonna

515
00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:52.000
post a video, we want to
see the entire thing, from the moment

516
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:55.159
you turn it on to the moment
you turn it off. Let's see everything

517
00:41:55.199 --> 00:42:00.320
in between. With the Paul Freeman
footage, that's what you get. The

518
00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:07.440
only time he turns it off was
when he made plaster to pour it into

519
00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:13.039
the footprints. That's the only time
he turned the camera off. I understand

520
00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:17.920
why. But after he turns the
camera back on, he's showing you this

521
00:42:19.159 --> 00:42:24.320
inline trackway of four footprints that are
all in line with each other. He

522
00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:30.159
never says anything about it. He
keeps talking, and then he's recording more

523
00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:37.599
footprints that he did not cast that
came down towards him on the hill,

524
00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:45.679
or I'm assuming it looked like a
hill coming towards him in a different size

525
00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:50.400
than the ones that he's casting.
And none of this was taken on a

526
00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:55.519
context. That's the important thing.
I've seen way too many videos that have

527
00:42:55.800 --> 00:43:01.480
music put in it and it's taken
out of context, and oh, we

528
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:06.239
got to make this more dramatic than
whatever. I don't want to see that.

529
00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:12.039
What I want to see is an
unedited version of what it is that

530
00:43:12.159 --> 00:43:17.000
you witnessed from point A when you
turn the camera on to point B when

531
00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:22.079
you turn the camera off. And
that's that's what makes them more convincing to

532
00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:28.639
me, because he did state that
comment. I don't know what else you

533
00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:32.559
would say. I'm not really sure, but when you say, oh,

534
00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:39.360
there he goes, that's totally unscripted. To me, I'm very convinced by

535
00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:45.559
that. I think that photo I
posted there is the one of the Freeman

536
00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:50.639
handprint photos. The North American Bigfoot
Center in Boring, Oregon are good friend

537
00:43:50.679 --> 00:43:57.360
Cliff Barrickman's place has a whole diorama
of handprints, and there aren't as many

538
00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:01.079
as you'd think. I think there's
maybe like six or seven on that diorama

539
00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:05.800
that he's put together, and I
think that's kind of telling with the you

540
00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:09.239
know, amount of footprint castings there
are, how rare it is to find

541
00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:14.079
a handprint. And then of course
you go back to the whole conversation of

542
00:44:14.119 --> 00:44:19.800
the Skukum cast which is another story
for another time, right, Like,

543
00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:22.440
I mean, just look at that. That's a normal size vending table,

544
00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:30.119
and that's a big ass hand right, that's pretty pretty sizeble. Yeah,

545
00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:39.400
it's it's it's definitely has some distracting. And first off, if you're gripping

546
00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:51.039
into a surface to pull yourself forward
in a locomotive motion, you're not using

547
00:44:51.079 --> 00:44:55.480
your thumb. So that cast print
shows four fingers, but the thumb is

548
00:44:55.519 --> 00:45:00.760
not involved because that's not really part
of And think of it for yourself.

549
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:07.239
If you're pulling yourself forward, your
thumb is parallel to the surface, it's

550
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:12.639
your think bump, I think them, yeah, there might be, but

551
00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:17.639
it's your fingers that are doing the
majority of the pull forward, not so

552
00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:22.320
much your thumb, and your thumb
is for stability at that point. Being

553
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:27.840
a tall bi bettal creature, most
of your handprints per se would be higher

554
00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:30.159
up. That would only be as
if you know, you'd have to look

555
00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:34.880
at the track and dear if you
had a track near where the hand was,

556
00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:37.719
is a track near it a slightly
askew like it tripped and it's using

557
00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:42.000
its hand to picking up or you
know, like there's a lot of little

558
00:45:42.039 --> 00:45:49.039
factors that go into assessing what usefulness
that print is. But one thing I

559
00:45:49.079 --> 00:45:52.760
want to mention is it doesn't look
like a regular hand unless they're andre the

560
00:45:52.840 --> 00:46:00.800
giant. And secondly is I don't
see clause and some of the other because

561
00:46:00.920 --> 00:46:04.119
one of the things we kind of
learned last week was or the week before

562
00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:07.719
was think Bigfoot last. You know, Henry may put it really well,

563
00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:10.760
think Bigfoot last. And the thing
is, though that doesn't seem like a

564
00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:15.320
bear print, you know, there
would be more of a claw and there'd

565
00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:20.039
be less you know, like whether
their animal could make that, Like I

566
00:46:20.079 --> 00:46:23.239
said, it'd have to be a
large ass human and I don't know any

567
00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:30.199
animals that have that kind of gape
that are that are not you know that

568
00:46:30.199 --> 00:46:34.559
that are running in that area.
I mean, it's not somewhere where you

569
00:46:34.599 --> 00:46:37.920
have like orangutangs and stuff like that, with which would have a large hand

570
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:42.760
like that. I'm assessing a less
want to escape from the zoo. But

571
00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:46.000
then the prince would be different because
the prince wouldn't be long legged creature.

572
00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:51.239
They'd be squatty and you know whatever. You know, so you had to

573
00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:52.960
look at the mechanics of a bear
print. Could a bear Paul do that?

574
00:46:53.079 --> 00:46:59.880
Fans? I don't think so,
not in the with the death Right,

575
00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:04.280
and I think the clause would have
been a prominent of that print,

576
00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:07.599
and they don't see that in this
right. I have to ask, right,

577
00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:13.519
Griff states, I look at the
obvious hoaxes today and they are painfully

578
00:47:13.559 --> 00:47:16.199
obvious. If the Freeman footage is
fake, he's a lot better than what

579
00:47:16.320 --> 00:47:20.159
they're doing today. And you know
the fact is, you go back to

580
00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:28.079
capacity and capability to do that,
and did he have the means? Paul

581
00:47:28.119 --> 00:47:31.679
Freeman wasn't an extremely wealthy dude.
Roger Patterson. You know, we accuse

582
00:47:31.800 --> 00:47:37.159
these guys of doing some significant Hollywood
level hoaxes and they just don't have the

583
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:42.360
financial means or the abilities. They
didn't have LucasArts, they didn't have industrial

584
00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:51.719
light and magic. You're right,
they right, that's true. It's true.

585
00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:57.440
And would have they have bought through? So let's go back to Patterson

586
00:47:57.440 --> 00:48:02.440
Gimlin. Would they have really given
enough consideration to say, hey, let's

587
00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:07.719
put boobs on this thing and call
it a female. Well, so you

588
00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:15.519
know, listen, we say that, but we go back to the William

589
00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:21.280
Rowe photograph or not photograph sketch that
he made the creature. He saw what

590
00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:25.039
was one of the prominent features in
the William Rowe sighting breasts, right,

591
00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:30.599
huge hairy tits. And I said
that just for you, Baker, just

592
00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:37.079
for you there he made me stoop
that well, I said it. Okay,

593
00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:40.480
folks, send your hate mail to
James Baker at he doesn't give a

594
00:48:40.559 --> 00:48:45.800
damn dot com. I'll send you
a free picture of my ass. No,

595
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:51.760
don't don't do that. No.
Speaking of two dollars, you can

596
00:48:51.800 --> 00:48:57.199
be a Patreon support or as little. It's two dollars a month, folks,

597
00:48:57.400 --> 00:49:00.519
two bucks a month, which we
have some excited content coming and working

598
00:49:00.559 --> 00:49:06.719
on the investigation of Montour Road Part
two. We got another Baker's hot takes

599
00:49:06.760 --> 00:49:09.119
coming vance. Of course, we'll
probably do another Man on the Street at

600
00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:13.320
some point in time. We got
a lot going on out there. Don't

601
00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:15.280
give up on us because we got
a lot going on. We're just busy

602
00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:20.719
men. This is a labor of
love for us, it really is.

603
00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:24.000
We're just trying to make it.
You make one point that's valid that everybody

604
00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:30.920
seems to forget from nineteen sixty to
nineteen eighty I'll even go nineteen eighty five

605
00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:37.199
ninety, there was no joy in
being a bigfoot expert or seeing a bigfoot.

606
00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:40.800
You weren't getting money from Jackline's jerkey. You weren't getting you weren't getting

607
00:49:40.880 --> 00:49:45.559
to be on twelve different podcasts and
twenty different shows and get to be on

608
00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:51.360
Finding Bigfoot. There was the guys
at the bar laughed at you, and

609
00:49:51.400 --> 00:49:53.599
you hoped you were strong enough that
get your whoop butt wop. So with

610
00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:57.960
a lot of these people that this
stuff happened to, like Patterson Gimlin and

611
00:49:57.960 --> 00:50:02.440
that like is there's story. It
wasn't worth baking, right yeah, And

612
00:50:02.639 --> 00:50:07.760
cable television was not a thing at
that time, And I think that ms

613
00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:09.880
your point. He just made fun
of you, right, Well, you

614
00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:16.679
know or ignored you completely as the
rummy, you know, And I think

615
00:50:16.719 --> 00:50:22.199
that's the so I think that's the
miscon consternation. I made that word up.

616
00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:28.159
I think of Paul Freeman and Roger
Patterson. You know, Patterson was

617
00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:31.480
trying to make this his life's work
and was trying to make a dime,

618
00:50:31.519 --> 00:50:35.960
and that's okay, you know,
just be transparent about him. But Paul

619
00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:38.159
Freeman was really a man of passion
from it when he had a sighting.

620
00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:43.840
And he was a contentious person in
this field, not because of his personality

621
00:50:44.360 --> 00:50:46.920
by all accounts. And I never
got to meet Paul Freeman, unfortunately,

622
00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:51.039
because he passed away in two thousand
and three at the age of fifty nine.

623
00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:53.679
You know, he's not around to
defend himself anymore. Neither is Roger

624
00:50:53.719 --> 00:51:00.719
Patterson. But I really feel that
there was an honesty about Paul, nothing

625
00:51:00.760 --> 00:51:04.199
nefarious. You know, his personality
was he was a big personality, but

626
00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:07.440
as a very generous person, very
giving. You know, it was to

627
00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:09.159
kind of give your you know,
give me the shirt off your back kind

628
00:51:09.159 --> 00:51:13.199
of guy if he needed it.
And you know, he just marred by

629
00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:16.360
by certain things. Bob Titmas was
not a fan of Paul Freeman. But

630
00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:21.000
you know, Tipmos had his distractors
too. They were saying people that thought

631
00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:24.199
Bob Titmos was the world's greatest you
know, tracker, and he couldn't find

632
00:51:24.199 --> 00:51:27.639
mouse shit. So like, I
mean, there were a lot of people

633
00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:30.320
who had, you know, the
personalities in that time in the eighties.

634
00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:34.679
You know, Peter Burn, you
know, was good enough to go out

635
00:51:34.719 --> 00:51:39.199
with Freeman, and you know,
and of course sometimes happens with Peter Burn.

636
00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:44.039
The fallout happened afterwards, like at
some point he found out it wasn't

637
00:51:44.079 --> 00:51:45.800
as hot as he thought it was
going to be and jumped off. Daniel

638
00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:53.519
Perez November twenty twenty two has a
full front page article on The Bigfoot Times

639
00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:58.599
about Paul Freeman, and it's worth
the read. Every time I write about

640
00:51:58.679 --> 00:52:01.199
mister Freeman, a lightning rock for
controversy, in my estimation, I feel

641
00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:05.119
like I'm about to pop the party
balloon. And you know, he tries

642
00:52:05.159 --> 00:52:07.840
to argue that, he tries to
make the point that anything he posts about

643
00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:12.960
Paul Freeman is you know, good
journalism, fact checking and looking for the

644
00:52:13.039 --> 00:52:15.320
proof, and in this case the
primary source is Paul Freeman. And again

645
00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:22.000
we go back and talk about the
different times that Paul had either misspoke or

646
00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:27.519
got details wrong or stepped back,
which you know, again, I don't

647
00:52:27.559 --> 00:52:30.800
think is the strongest case in point
to prove somebody was a liar. Good

648
00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:34.840
Morning America fiasco in nineteen eighty seven, I believe, which we play if

649
00:52:34.880 --> 00:52:38.400
you go back and listen to an
episode of Sasquatch Experience Still Searching Blue Mountains.

650
00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:44.519
Bigfoot actually is the interview that Maz
and I did with Paul with Mike

651
00:52:44.599 --> 00:52:47.119
Freeman talking about his dad, and
we go into that and how the Good

652
00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:52.599
Morning America actually kind of hurt him
and hurt his credibility where they asked him

653
00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:55.880
if he faked Prince and his full
answer was yes, I faked Prince.

654
00:52:55.920 --> 00:53:00.440
I faked him in the garden to
measure, and they never went that the

655
00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:02.159
course. The only part they went
with was that sound bite, yes,

656
00:53:02.239 --> 00:53:09.960
I've faked tracks right. Cryptid Creatures
Reborn says that he was humble and even

657
00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:15.440
didn't like talking about it towards the
end. Yeah, and I can imagine

658
00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:19.719
they met Crypto Creature every Born another
podcast out there, folks, check it

659
00:53:19.719 --> 00:53:23.440
out. He's on X And for
some reason I can't post back to him.

660
00:53:23.480 --> 00:53:28.679
So if you can hear this,
you know we're acknowledging you. We're

661
00:53:28.719 --> 00:53:30.719
just having a you know, Baker, that's a great point. We faked

662
00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:35.360
a track to learn how to cast, and no matter how much we told

663
00:53:35.440 --> 00:53:38.920
people that that cast was fake,
people still tried to buy it. We

664
00:53:39.079 --> 00:53:44.440
put it in a shadow box with
a map of where we did it.

665
00:53:44.440 --> 00:53:50.280
It said James Baker, like like
the worst, Like it was just trmndous

666
00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:53.280
had little Pennsylvania map behind it.
It wasn't bad. I mean, he's

667
00:53:53.320 --> 00:54:00.440
he's making it wasn't bad, but
it but it clearly said but it clearly

668
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:04.639
said James Baker, size twelve,
and folks still were trying to buy it.

669
00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:08.599
We must have had this is not
a real print right to do it.

670
00:54:09.800 --> 00:54:14.159
So, no matter even if you
do put out that truth and lending

671
00:54:14.199 --> 00:54:17.880
statement that hey you know this is
you know this is fake. You know,

672
00:54:17.960 --> 00:54:21.760
people still are gonna make up their
own mind and believe what they want

673
00:54:21.800 --> 00:54:24.079
to. Right, And there's a
lot of I think you need to just

674
00:54:24.360 --> 00:54:31.360
good stuff from Take a look at
Todd's standing. You know you can't put

675
00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:36.880
him in the same category lapse.
No, but it's the same thing and

676
00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:40.360
that that's where everything starts to collapse. But it's not. And it's like,

677
00:54:40.880 --> 00:54:45.960
come on, you're you're gonna show
us, and the entire thing collapses

678
00:54:46.159 --> 00:54:52.519
below us. Todd's standing's clearly trying
to promote a fucking muppet out there and

679
00:54:52.679 --> 00:54:57.400
promote us a big foot. Freeman
never did that. Freeman like different,

680
00:54:58.000 --> 00:55:00.000
they can't be in the same they
can't be in the same category. That's

681
00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:07.960
the point, Like it's they're just
too different. And I don't know Freeman.

682
00:55:07.079 --> 00:55:13.000
To me, there was a genuine
folksy honesty to him, and I

683
00:55:13.079 --> 00:55:16.679
never got to meet him, so
everything I see is from either video and

684
00:55:16.679 --> 00:55:20.079
and you know, listening to his
son, you know, you know when

685
00:55:20.119 --> 00:55:22.800
you get to know somebody and you
really want to get the real, true

686
00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:28.320
read on somebody, you know,
ask their kids talk to him. And

687
00:55:28.360 --> 00:55:30.679
we did that with Michael, and
Michael and I haven't spoken some time,

688
00:55:31.079 --> 00:55:35.679
but my last I thoroughly enjoyed that
conversation. And go back and take a

689
00:55:35.719 --> 00:55:40.239
listen Sasquatch Experience still searching Blue Mountain, Bigfoot. It is a it's a

690
00:55:40.280 --> 00:55:43.840
good listen. It's it's a little
long. I think it's about two hours,

691
00:55:43.840 --> 00:55:45.960
but it's worth every second if you
wanted to get a good read on

692
00:55:47.079 --> 00:55:50.960
more about this topic, because,
believe it or not, we're almost at

693
00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:53.880
a friggin time right. No,
I don't thing is when I don't like

694
00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:58.760
about the Folk conversation was you know
that he went on there and he admitted

695
00:55:58.840 --> 00:56:01.239
he faked things. Well, we've
all done it, and that bothers me.

696
00:56:01.599 --> 00:56:07.599
You remember we got that certificate from
Jeff Meltram he technically faked four bigfoot

697
00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:10.519
casts in front of us. Well, but you're sporting the hairs. I

698
00:56:10.559 --> 00:56:15.119
mean that was an educational purpose as
opposed to a but that was what he

699
00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:20.639
was trying to say. Yes,
I've made I've made fake ones to find

700
00:56:20.679 --> 00:56:22.239
out how to do it. So, you know, I think it was

701
00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:25.519
it might have been Gwen, or
it might have been Amy, but one

702
00:56:25.519 --> 00:56:29.840
of them said, how do you
learn If you try to learn why you've

703
00:56:29.880 --> 00:56:32.039
got the cast in front of you've
already failed. Right, You got to

704
00:56:32.119 --> 00:56:37.639
learn beforehand. You've got to know
how to do mix this stuff right,

705
00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:42.199
because when we did ours got to
practice craft. If we'd have done ten

706
00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:45.639
more, the first one looked horrible. The second, third day to all

707
00:56:45.840 --> 00:56:52.599
progressed into something better. You know, my fiancee likes cows. Every cow

708
00:56:52.679 --> 00:56:57.440
picture I paint looks a little bit
more like a cow. Well, moo,

709
00:56:58.320 --> 00:57:02.239
moo, mo guy, it's that
time we have to call it.

710
00:57:02.880 --> 00:57:07.480
Folks. You've been listening to The
Sasquatch Experience. Sean Falker, Vince has

711
00:57:07.559 --> 00:57:12.920
been, James Baker on behalf of
Henry May and Matt Arner tonight. Next

712
00:57:12.960 --> 00:57:19.320
week we've got chestermore Bigfootsouth dot com
pick up his book Bigfoot South, and

713
00:57:19.440 --> 00:57:22.920
Matt will also be on Sasquatch Watch
Radio at the same time. We hope

714
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:24.519
you come back. We had a
great turnout tonight, folks. Thank you

715
00:57:25.039 --> 00:57:30.400
for being so engaged. And we
just scratched the surface of Paul Freeman,

716
00:57:30.719 --> 00:57:37.880
episode ninety eight, Freeman on Behalf
of Henry May. You folks have a

717
00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:42.559
safe all y'all be good or be
good. Well he tried it, I

718
00:57:42.679 --> 00:57:49.840
didn't. He tried it miss And
for the love of God think Bigfoot last.

719
00:57:49.880 --> 00:57:52.559
And you know what, just just
keep on squatching. Good night.

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