EP 96: The Evidence That Matters to Us

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reporting. We got some wander dumping blowing

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around out here? Does a legend
walk among us working in the forests of

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our world? Did you see what
it was? Was it a person or

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an animal? Or I can't go
all if I know that my thunder light

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came on and I did. Happened
to Glenn and see this thing running across

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the yard? A good fight man
or nothing? Work like a man?

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I don't know what it was.
For over fifteen years, we've talked with

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scientists, researchers, investigators, and
witnesses trying to gain insight and proof around

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the existence of this mysterious entity.
Great Karl, Hello, get somebody out

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here. What's going to announce?
There's potable bits about sixty fourth nine?

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I don't know, easy announcer,
Yeah, the booking right away? Oh

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okay, hand on, yeah,
God, it's big. Okay, what's

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he doing in your yard? We're
gonna move join us as we continue into

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the investigation of the Sasquatch Experience with
Henry May, and good evening, everyone.

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Welcome to The Sasquatch Experience for Monday, February twenty sixth, twenty twenty

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four. I'm Sean Forker. That's
Henry May, James Baker, vans Nesbitt,

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Matt Arnol will be joining us momentarily, and behind the scenes we have

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our executive producer, Brian Corbin poking
us with a pitchfork. So it's great

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to be here tonight. Guys.
Everybody intact, and I don't mean that

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from a genituliaic sense. I mean
we're all intact and ready to have a

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good show here tonight. Last week
we did episode ninety five and we talked

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about, you know, the Pitt
Lake Giant vance. Unfortunately you had some

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technical difficulties. Did you have any
input you wanted to throw in there quick

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before we move forward? Oh about
that? Pull up my old notes,

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but yeah I did. I was
always fascinated with the fact of leif ericson

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the Viking that settled this new land
of what we now know is the United

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States, and it was journaled that
they were met by these giants at the

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shoreline and I always I didn't go
any further with that. I just took

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that that's completely fascinating. Now I'm
going back, you know, twenty years

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ago from hearing that. A little
few changes once you do a little bit

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of research into that. First off, Leif Ericsson would have been fifteen to

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sixteen years old at the time.
I don't see that being old enough to

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be a Viking leader to the New
Land. But this happened in nineteen oh

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they wouldn't be tried as an adult. Yeah, well, this happened in

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nine eighty six a d. In
the thirteenth century, which was two hundred

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and seventy years later. That's when
the documentation of his arrival to this land.

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Two hundred and seventy years that's a
damn long that's longer than the United

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States has been a country. Scaling
guys, are I'm trying to pronounce that,

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you know, in the best Gaelic
way I can is term yeah,

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I'll try not to was the term
used by lay Ericson for these creatures.

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But scathing gear also meant a little
person, kind of like an ewok.

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Right, So there's a lot of
things that just didn't make a whole lot

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of sense of his coming to the
New Land and seeing these giants meeting him

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along the shoreline. I think that
may have been embellished. That's what.

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That's just a brief of the synopsis
of the giants topic that we were going

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to talk about last week. So
I'm sorry we missed you because we could

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have used the extra context. I
think it was a show that we planned

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to do well and turned up to
be just a little bit of a stinker.

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Not too bad. Definitely wasn't one
of our finest hours with all the

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thanks technology, right, yeah,
technology was a real bitch for us last

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week. It really was it.
We we had to rely off cellular connection

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and all kinds of things. So
we apologize. It wasn't your your usual

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Uh yeah, well the squirrel broke
its leg in the cage that powers up

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the sun and so it was just, you know, one thing. It

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was something, But anyhow, we
tried and the actual the podcast quality was

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pretty nice. It was remastered very
well. But I know Matt and I

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and they tried to put a little
bit extra effort into it. It just

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we were it was a it was
an air of follies that was out of

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our control. But it's a new
week and it's a good show. Welcome

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Matt, good to see you,
thank you, hey, hey, nice

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to have the whole team here.
It's different. Everybody ready to go.

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But any news, Henry from the
week that we've missed, anything going on

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in the Bigfoot world? Other podcasts? What have you? What he got

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for us? Well, a few
that pay attention to Let's see Sasquatch Secrets

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is Nicky Cologne and of course Squatch
Stick and see Coles sure been following them.

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Watched a few other good passed episodes. Okay, how was the Doctor

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Meldrem episode? I missed that one. I wanted to take a look and

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I didn't get it was great,
it was really great. I thought that

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doctor Melton did a terrific job and
Steven Chris did a great job interviewing you.

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Yeah, good guys, Chris Bennett
and Steve Coles. We're going to

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get them on the program here in
a few weeks to join us, to

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get some guests back on the program. We like the topical shows, but

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sometimes we like to talk to other
people. Next week there will not be

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a show. It'll be a night
off for the guys. I'll be joining

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Billy Willard over on Sasquatch Watch Radio. So try to do a little bit

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of a simulcast there if Billy's fine
with that. Help get the word back

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that Sasquatch Watch Radio is on the
air. So anything I can do to

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help my friends, you guys know, I like to jump in and help

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where I can. It's important that
the multitude of voices get shared because this

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is a field where the opinions matter, and especially when you have such I

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don't want to term use the term
legacy. I think legacy gets overplayed,

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but you have such experienced researchers that
really want to partake it and that and

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get back into the field and get
going. Billy is just a tremendous asset

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to the research community. He's a
good friend and you'll hear from next week.

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I was actually on the phone with
his sons the night they had their

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bigfoot encounter in Quantico, So it
was quite a unique experience that he and

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I shared. And it's going to
be good, a good show. And

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what's the terminology that we use for
all of the Oh, that's right,

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cross pollination, ross pollinating. Yeah, well, you know it never hurts,

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No, it never hurts, Baker, What do you got for us?

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You got anything going on? The
Internet's working, and for me,

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that's a good thing. I uh
go, what your first episode of Hot

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Takes is on the Patreon. Yeah, I got a lot more rant in

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me. I just have to make
sure I don't swear as much. I've

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had some dear incidents the other day
that me and Sean almost stuck out Bambi,

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Bambi's mother, Bamby's father. Oh
yeah, so, so we'll preface

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this. As we're driving down a
back road, okay, and all of

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a sudden, these people are flashing
lights at us, and we don't understand

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why they're flashing their headlights, Like
our headlights aren't out. We know what

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the hell's going on. He's flashing
the headlights. Not that drum no,

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no, sooner do we? You
know? We're asking why the hell are

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they flashing their damn lights at us? And I'm like, Baker, dear,

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dear. He's like, huh,
dear. We literally missed them somehow

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by less than a foot from taking
out probably four here in front of us.

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It was quite outstanding how it happened. So when folks, when people

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are are driving towards you flashing their
lights. Just assume there's a reason and

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just be cognizant as why, Matt, what is there a Is there a

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like protocol or or something to alert
another driver of oncoming deer? I mean

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it's generally it's generally well known that
you flash the lights to uh, it's

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allowable per state law to inform the
other driver of a possible hazard, which

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I would say a deer in the
roadway would be a hazard. Yeah.

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Well, yeah, you don't have
insurance, I know pants. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah, that was quite
a pro when they flash the you know

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bright it's because you know there's an
officer sitting up ahead clock that warning if

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there's if there's no hazard and there's
an officer sitting there, technically that's a

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violation. Well there you go.
So here in the Sasquatch experience, we

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inform and educate about the law and
other things in your lives. I don't

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do flashing your lights because you're bored
right now, I mean, what whoa,

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Oh, that's a whole different kind
of experience that I might, I

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might, I might fill my panty. How did we start the show?

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I got tonight's programs pretty simple,
Pretty simple. It was Advance's idea,

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which was the evidence that matters to
us. What's the convincing point that

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to each and every one of us
that states this creature is unequivocably real.

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And I think it's really important that
we're all able to express in some way,

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shape or form, and to me, I always go first, So

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I want to go last on this
round. But we'll start off with Henry.

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We'll start with you, and then
we'll dialogue about it, and then

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maybe we'll get some interaction from the
chat room too. We're going on.

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We got some great folks in the
chat room tonight. Our good friend Joe

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Stewart over on YouTube. Jenny.
We all love Jenny. She's out there

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on the Facebook. Henry May's out
there flirting with the ladies, and James

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Baker telling Dancy's so gaily. But
we've got a bunch of you out there

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listening. We've got a couple on
X listeners on Twitch, we got people

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on Facebook, and we got them
on YouTube. So we're glad you're just

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listening to us here tonight. So
go ahead, Henry. Henry, when

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it comes to the evidence, what's
the evidence that matters to you the most?

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I said, that's what matters to
me. But the Patterson Gimmen film

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is the second where that's concerned.
Then the footprint casts in that order.

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Interesting, So your sighting happened when
Henry nineteen ninety eight nineteen ninety eight.

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Now, did the subject of your
sighting match the subject in the Patterson Gimlin

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film and build or was it different? The build was the same, and

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it walked the same as well,
like a cross country skier walking across the

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highway. H interesting? How long
was your that glide? Yes, the

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glide exactly. It lasts a grand
total of fifteen seconds. Fifteen seconds,

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no jokes, Baker. Was it
a roadside crossing? Henry? Yes,

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there was a roadside crossing. Interesting? Any questions for Henry guys about his

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evidence? No, it's fascinating.
Actually, you know me personally, I

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have not seen anything like that.
But to have seen it, that's life

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altering. It changes your perspective about
everything. Well, it really does,

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and I think importantly enough, Henry, though, you and I have done

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this a long time, and have
you I don't want to say flip flop,

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but have you have you changed your
opinion over the years in the Patterson

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film with its validity, have you
been like, man, it's the real

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deal, And then have you been
like, man, I just don't know

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if I can buy this. Oh, I'm seventy thirty on seventy percent that

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it shows an actual sasquatch. So
go ahead, bake, I'm frozen.

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Nope, you're good. Oh we
got it. Okay. Faces. So

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so you said a lot about the
castings, are you ever? I always

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look at a lot of the castings
and like, I've never really seen horrible

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castings. Have you guys seen any
that are like blatantly minus the one me

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and Forker made out in the woods, you know that are blatantly like there's

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no way, there's no way that
this was created by a sasquatch. It

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has to be because like I remember
years ago, it was with Josh Gates

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and he was out in the I
think it was the Yuktan or something,

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and he takes his cast. He
does all these things, and you know,

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I like Joshua the way Josh does
stuff. But you could tell there's

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a production value. But as he's
getting to the airport, the they seize

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the cast because he's not allowed to
take an artifact into from that country into

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another area. It was all very
convenient, but like when you looked at

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the cast, it was like it
was like another animalist slipped and then it

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kind of looked like a large cast. But like from the years agoing to

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events and you know, we used
to hang out with Eric Altman and he

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had like twenty different casts, and
and and variety of the other people that

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had casts. I've never really seen
anybody like bring me a cast that goes

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even though one vance I think you
showed me during Mothman, Like, there

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was never really a cast I saw
that was like this is completely you know,

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you know, this is like then
even the one me and Folker made

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was kind of like people are like, we want to buy this as a

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Bennett cast. I'm like, dude, I made that in the woods to

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prove we could do it. Yeah, and we even wrote on it so

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we didn't lie, you know.
But like as any have you seen,

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Henry, have you seen any castings
really just stuck out to you, going,

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yeah, they're in the backyard putting
their foot in the mud. You

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know. Well there was one that
doctor Meldrim examined, only it was in

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a Monster quest which didn't look right. And he even pointed out he said,

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this looks like it maybe most likely
made by a human rather than by

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Harry Biped. Was this the dermal
register thing? Because I know that from

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talking to Melder many times, that's
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like, look, you can tell
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about eating hamburgers with him and having
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talk about like dude, I mean
a burger. Let it go. Yeah,

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nicess, man, you could ever
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point though about you know a lot
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somebody posted a photo that clearly was
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you know, they tried to say
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and gives some like half aast excuse
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and how it is, and Meldrum
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this isn't a big foot. And
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kind of turning against meldrumg No,
it's it's it's not a big foot.

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Like he's a smart enough man to
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conversation, because you can't win with
a group of idiots that are convinced it

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is what it is, and it
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and I looked at some photographs,
not long ago or within probably five minutes,

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you and I both determined it wasn't
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footprint examinings than I have. Yeah, And I mean I go into I'm

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do not just footprints, but also
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tracks. I been out in the
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and that was one thing that I
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I won't call myself an expert at
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keep pretty cognizant of different animal tracks, how to identify them, anything I

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can read from them in terms of
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a bear that slides, if it's
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that slides, that's gonna look just
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bear that that because they're four legged
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front paws. It's gonna look like
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is where's the big toe on a
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bears, the bigger toes are always
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something like that, yes, and
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of see when you when you do
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remember one print and I and I
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a great print. And we and
Sean was actually out with us when we

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did it. But it was a
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the Shades of Death March. So
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there was a small campsite, small
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area where an excavator had had come
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out an area. I guess,
leaning to the to the stream and lo

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and behold there was a beautiful print. You could see toes. You could

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see it that it wasn't it didn't
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it didn't have that bear look to
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that that you know, but of
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and quite frankly, we thought we
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But well, but again going back
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lot of tracks that we see that
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them and you can kind of sit
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definitely a human track. This is
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But then there have been quite a
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really had been confounded as to whether
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how it got there, you know, how it was made, and there's

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also other ways to tell if it
was made by you know, if it

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was faked. People sit there and
try to dig out a print, you

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know, that's real easy to pick
up. There's there's a way that the

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that the soil impacts when it when
a foot is struck on there. So

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I don't want to bore you guys, but you know, it's interesting interesting

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you brought up that when you brought
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it was an unfortunate series of events
that weekend and it kind of got and

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we could say lost and whatever,
but it was we did try to cast

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it. If I remember, I
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Mat Yeah, but it was probably
one of the better prints we found

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out in the time we've been we've
been doing this and you know, honestly,

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I'm I am one of the worst
people to try to do prints with

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or past prints off, because I
don't think any of them are real.

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Like I have a hard I'm always
thinking, and Matt, you know from

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being with me, I'm always looking
for something to blame it on before I

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can say it's all it's you know, and nine times out of ten I'm

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right. There's that that, you
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just really not certain. But when
you've looked at these enough, you start

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to be able to just right out
of the gate, no they're if they're

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too perfect, yes, yeah,
they're probably fake. And Henry, this

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is where I was going to throw
it back to you when Baker asked,

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there are any footprint casts that you
thought were just the Ray Wallace Prince the

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ones that his family Todd was the
ones he was stomping around making the There's

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no way those were the footprints.
No way, is that the old guy

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from Harry and Henderson. No,
that was tough. But Henry, you

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know what I'm talking about, You
elaborating that a little bit. Yes,

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yes, they do the Well now
I'm actually I'm actually the opposite of Hugh

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Shaw. I'm actually convinced that some
of the Ray Wallace Ray Wallace did hope,

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some of them, I think.
No, I don't detest that at

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all. I just think that the
photographs that you see with Ray Wallace holding

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up those big ass you know,
shoes or print stampers that he made,

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very few of them represent any big
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real big foot prints. They don't
match any of that, and if they

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did, you'd all probably be smart
enough to say they were they were fake.

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Right, But you can go if
we want to continue down the line

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on Prince. You talk about the
Bossburg Prince with the crooked foot, cripplefoot

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that Grover Krantz was, you know, was part of the logic behind him

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believing this was a real creature.
Still there, Henry, Yeah, sorry,

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yeah, exactly. I mean.
The only thing is my only concern

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with the Bossburg Prince is the whole
thing with Iland Marx kind of hovering around

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all that, right and that,
And the problem is as we start to

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go into some of those that's when, you know, again, I'll put

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a comment from one of our listeners
here as soon as I can find it.

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Again, you have to exercise your
own discernment and deductive reasoning. You

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know, if somebody's a hoaxer,
nine times out of ten, they're going

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to do it again. Right,
That was the problem with Ivan Marx.

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But do we throw everything And look, people are having this conversation right now

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to this day about Todd's standing,
Right, do you throw everything the person

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threw away because they've you know,
hoaxed footprints now where they've oaks other evidence,

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Does that mean everything they've ever done
has been It makes it shady yea.

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And it makes it it makes it
that did they just make this up?

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It's like the Georgia Boys and Tom
Buscardi, you know, like like

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he was a big name. He
was one I recognized when I didn't recognize

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anybody's name, and then that happened. And like everybody, I mean national

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news and everything we're saying, this
has got to be it and this multi

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millionaire is back in this and da
And then as the story progressed, it

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was like, Okay, P.
T. Burnham and some rednecks in a

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truck just lied to us, you
know, you know, and so anything

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he discovered beforehand or afterwards to me
is tainted because how many other rednecks in

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a truck did he find? You
know? Well, I would challenge the

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fact that he's actually found anything.
I don't know if mister TB Has added

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anything of value to the Bigfoot community
besides just more strife and contention and a

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and a perverse love for apple Snapple
like or diet Pete, you know,

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like, honestly, what does he
contributed to those morons from Georgia? And

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not Jeff Thomas? We love Jeff
Thomas, Jeff not that guy from Georgia.

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But I mean, as we go
down through this list, you know,

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we've just had a whole little dissertation
here on footprints. And thank you

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Matt for adding onto that conversation.
But I think so much of this tends

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to be built around things like the
Patterson film. But we Henry, what

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else do you have anything else you
wanted to throw at us? There?

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About your your evidence that matters to
you. Well, I wanted to talk

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about out a little bit about the
h the cripple foot cast. I mean,

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they look good, especially especially the
the one that is crippled. Mm

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hmm. It looks good. Of
course, garver Krantz was very good that

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that was what shifted him from ten
percent to one hundred percent belief in the

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Sasquatch. What you think about it
would make sense that if you're going to

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have footprints over time, you'd have
abnormalities or defects. It happens, and

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you're talking about a breeding pool,
it's probably not that significant, so you're

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going to have more of those opportunities
for genetic deformities right now. With that

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being said, I'm surprised that over
the years we haven't seen more, and

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that really Bossberg's the only example we
have of a physical cast of that.

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Are there other deformed footprints out there, Henry, Well, stand, there

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aren't any that I've heard about,
But what I've heard the cripplefoot casts.

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The cripplefoot tracks have actually been found
in more than one place in Washington State.

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Okay, they're just not you know, put out there for no consumption,

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We're going to go ahead and take

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right to your ears. A happy
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is that you're choosing to listen to
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This is the Bigfoot bullhorn right here
on the Sasquatch Experience. Yes, from

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Newsweek. It's coming true people from
Newsweek magazine from four days ago. We

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are bringing the woly mammoth back to
life. We could have populations of mammoth

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that help to replenish the ecosystem and
add biodiversity, making it as vibrant as

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it use to be. There have
been some great published papers in the last

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year on what the mammoth step used
to look and feel like, including its

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lost rich biodiversity. Fixing the degraded
ecosystem with mammots would create a halo effect

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over a long period of time.
Moreover, we can help build a lineage

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of elephants that are far removed from
human elephant conflict while developing tools to save

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existing baby elephants from EEHV disease.
De Extincting the wooly mammoth is a great

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keystone project. It's hard because they
have a twenty two month just station period,

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but unless a lot more efforts go
into the elephant conservation than at some

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point we're going to lose them as
a species. As well, from the

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perspective of science, you couldn't have
a better focus for your study floor the

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phenotypic traits and investigate what makes similar
species so alike but also so different that

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they can inhabit completely different ecosystems.
Elephants and mammots are ideal for this.

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Untangling the genome mics of mammoths and
working on their reproductive biology is thrilling.

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The irony is that, despite their
familiarity, we know very little about their

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foundational biology, and so we're building
that up, starting with actual genomes.

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We are accumulating one of the largest
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beyond and adding in all the ancient
genomes from the same lineage. We're super

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excited about all of the secrets that
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The article goes on to say every
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send emails to say they're so excited
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enthralled by what we are doing,
and they're asking where can they learn more.

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We get teachers even asking for curriculum
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push a lot of content out there
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docu series about the project, and
we hope that over time we can bring

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more exposure to the world's conservation crisis. But outside of the benefits to the

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planet, it's also just cool and
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doing. Hmm, what could possibly
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the phone. Imagine when Sasquatch realizes
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penn Ohio Paranormal Conference. It is

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March thirtieth of this year. It
starts at ten am and goes till six

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pm. This is the second pent
Ohio Paranormal Conference and the Master of ceremonies

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is Mike Hartman. Some of the
speakers will be Jim Boardwine, Robert Solomon,

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Dave and Corey Rupert and Christine Salstice. The location is at Hickory VFW

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in Hermitage, Pennsylvania. And also
remember we are in a serious blood shortage,

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so if you can donate, donations
are needed for blood and platelets.

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Just go to the Americanredcross dot org
and you'll learn more information because we are

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at a crisis level. Thanks again
for listening to this edition of the Big

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Footballhorn right here on the Sasquatch Experience. And of course, as allways,

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keep in mind, thank you Vance
for the Bigfoot Bullhorn, and you and

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your muddy toes can go enjoy a
couple of things have changed since that announcement.

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It's the pen Ohio Conference. Amy
Boo is now the MC for the

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event, and Corey Rupert has now
become Carry Rupert and David Carey will be

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joining us as the paranormal Grids for
the show. So we're all good,

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everybody's happy, everybody's who they're supposed
to be, and we'll have all those

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corrections made on the next episode just
in case anybody kind of got that.

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But Amy Boo is now the MC. But Vance, thank you so much

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for that. Jeff Goldbloom's going to
enjoy the world. And we press on

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to tonight's topic, the evidence that
matters. We've heard from Henry, We've

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kind of heard from Baker. Baker, what do you got for us?

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And in the cliff note version of
evidence that matters to you, what you

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got? The evidence that it matters
to me would be live testimony from people

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have seen something anything before nineteen seventy, because there wasn't a lot of people.

426
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A lot of the stories match up
without them having conversations on the internet.

427
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First, a lot of the stories
from the ancient people's and drawings and

428
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stuff like that, like the same
with the ancient alien stuff, and a

429
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lot of stuff like that is just
the artwork and some of that stuff.

430
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But you know, that would be
my evidence that would say it was a

431
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potential thing, you know, because
to me, those those people were before

432
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you know, like I said,
as there was no real reason until lie.

433
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A lot of them hid the fact
they knew stuff. And you had

434
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people across the country saying, hey, it looked like this, this and

435
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this, but they're like, you
know, they didn't. They didn't have

436
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an Internet they could check what does
a bigfoot look like? You know.

437
00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:19.559
You know, it's funny because information
took so much longer to pass around like

438
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it was. You know, the
telephone game wasn't quite as elaborate then,

439
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and you didn't have the Internet.
But you you know stories you said nineteen

440
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seventy before that pre Patty, Right. Do you think in your mind that

441
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the image of the Patision film contaminated
a lot of what people see? James,

442
00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:42.840
I think that it made it.
I think it made it a brand

443
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more than you know, a concept. But at the same time, if

444
00:39:46.719 --> 00:39:51.760
you think about it, like all
the pictures of the Grassman and all the

445
00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:55.000
Native Americans, you know, they
had their totems of different things and stuff

446
00:39:55.079 --> 00:40:01.920
like that, Like, I always
believe that in the beginning, Sasquatch and

447
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a lot of the cryptids were kind
of like conversations you had, you know,

448
00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:09.599
between a couple of people that had
either been drinking a little bit and

449
00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:13.599
let go a little or it was
just kind of like, hey, I

450
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I did you see that? And
we saw that, and then they only

451
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talked amongst themselves about it, compared
today now that it's like a regular fireside

452
00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:23.519
chat. Hey, we're gonna,
we're gonna, you know, like,

453
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what's the word. I can't think
of the phrase, like urban legends.

454
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I think that Bigfoot now is an
urban legend because everybody wants to put in

455
00:40:35.119 --> 00:40:37.920
there. We'll spin on it,
you know. It's it's hey, I

456
00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:43.159
saw Bigfoot in Detroit, and also
I saw alligators, and now the mothman's

457
00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:45.559
here, and then blah blah blah. And it's like, no, you

458
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:50.320
can't have like fifty two cryptids and
a twenty block radius otherwise they bump into

459
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a killed therefore, you know,
just well, back then, it was

460
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more of a it was more of
a hey, I saw something weird.

461
00:40:59.199 --> 00:41:01.280
Oh man, were you over near
the blah blah blah arm you know,

462
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and then they would have a conversation, but like each would contribute a new

463
00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:08.760
fact that the other one was like, yeah, that's what I saw.

464
00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:14.079
It wasn't like they had a description
like when Patty came out, everybody's like,

465
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you know, first it became a
nationwide epidemic, we'll call it that.

466
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But secondly, was there was a
base character to say, hey,

467
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you know, it's like when Harry
and the Henderson's came out. Loved the

468
00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:30.840
movie, but how many sightings popped
up after that that were like they explained

469
00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:35.679
it. Oh, yeah, that's
Harry, you know, like you know,

470
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well and you say that, And
to me, it's funny when you

471
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start looking at the citing reports and
how they changed, and as you know,

472
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you go with William Rowe and before
that it was more of an ape

473
00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:52.639
l like creature Patty kind of you
know, aside from the upright walking figures,

474
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still very apish, But then you
go into things like Harry and the

475
00:41:54.719 --> 00:42:00.079
Hendersons and what do you see,
Well, Bigfoot becomes anthropomorphized, it becomes

476
00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:04.880
more human looking in the face,
and now all of a sudden, Bigfoot's

477
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human. Bigfoot's a man. It's
just a very big man. So you

478
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:10.039
know, it's just so funny,
like you bring that up, and it

479
00:42:10.159 --> 00:42:15.679
has changed and it has impacted.
I think it's had a very strong impact

480
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on what people see. You know, that turf war you talk about,

481
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you know, kind of takes me
to these stories. Today we hear the

482
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Bigfoot dog man wars of you know, the biggest crock of bullshit I've heard

483
00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:30.800
most of my life. And I
have a real hard time with that,

484
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really do, because it now takes
away You talk about how people are more

485
00:42:34.599 --> 00:42:38.519
comfortable talking about it. I think
they were comfortable until all these things become

486
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associated and lumped into each other once
again. And now if you're a person

487
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who's in a very professional field and
you look and they find out you look

488
00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:52.519
for Bigfoot, here comes the snickers
again a little bit. So, I

489
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don't know. So I think what
you said has a lot of merit,

490
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and I think it made some good
points there. I want to elaborate though,

491
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on something that King said was you
have the post internet sightings the pre

492
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internet days, and I'm just kind
of you know, for some of us

493
00:43:10.679 --> 00:43:15.400
are a little older. We didn't
have Snapchat, we didn't have Facebook,

494
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we didn't have Twitter. You know, we didn't have our texting groups.

495
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So what you did on a Friday
night or a Saturday night, especially if

496
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you lived out in the middle of
nowhere, was you probably got a six

497
00:43:28.599 --> 00:43:30.559
pack of beer and you know,
with your buddies and we're driving around,

498
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you know, the woods, because
you're not going to drive into town like

499
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that. But yeah, so these
kids, you know, we used to

500
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have you know, parties up in
the you know, well we caught them

501
00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:45.519
bush parties, you know, taking
taking beer up the mountain and everyone's sitting

502
00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:50.480
around a campfire. That was your
version of like you know, Facebook or

503
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snapchat back then. So these kids
are going out in the woods, going

504
00:43:54.119 --> 00:43:58.519
out to places and then they see
something and they're like, oh my god,

505
00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:00.159
well I was out drinking or you
know, oh we were. We

506
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:02.960
were, you know, out till
two three o'clock in the morning, and

507
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my parents aren't supposed to know,
you know, but that was that was

508
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kind of the thing back then,
you know, especially in the seventies and

509
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the eighties. That's a great point, man. Yep. I mean,

510
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you know, and I think still
even in my youth, that was still

511
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kind of the thing to do because
social media hadn't really taken off. At

512
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that point, you make really valid
points and you know you hid things so

513
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you didn't get in trouble, Yes
you weren't. You were allowed to go

514
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to the next one. I think
again, you know, you kind of

515
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add a little bit more validated to
some of the things Baker said. I

516
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like the ancient reports and people,
the the art. I think, as

517
00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:47.159
you know, you learn art and
learn about culture, how significant that really

518
00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:52.079
is. And the witness testimony,
you know, I think it's something we're

519
00:44:52.119 --> 00:44:53.880
all going to have in common as
we go through. But for the sake

520
00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:57.199
of time, Vance, you're up
next, buddy, What do you got

521
00:44:57.320 --> 00:45:01.559
for us? Well, considering the
title of this show is the evidence that

522
00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:09.039
matters to us? So we're speaking
about me at this point. Piggybacking off

523
00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:16.599
the cast prints. The footprints themselves, I have seen a plethora, including

524
00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:23.840
the majority of doctor Meldrum's collection of
the cast prints. But on the same

525
00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:32.239
level of intensity is the gate.
I have seen so many videos and photographs

526
00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:39.000
of the gate and the distance between
each step, and to me personally,

527
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that is very profound. A lot
of them on average, and I'm not

528
00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:51.679
going into any science specifics in mathematics
here, but on average. We are

529
00:45:51.880 --> 00:45:59.159
talking four feet between the toes of
one print and the heel of the next

530
00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:05.920
print in line with each other.
That's a huge stride. Now, I

531
00:46:06.639 --> 00:46:10.320
did my own experiment last Friday.
We just had, you know, a

532
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fresh three quarters of an inch of
snow, So I did an inline stride

533
00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:22.239
across my yard and then I came
back up the walkway, came in the

534
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:27.960
house, grabbed the tape measure,
and from my toe to the heel of

535
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:32.760
my next step, on average was
nineteen inches. And that was just trying

536
00:46:32.840 --> 00:46:37.679
to walk comfortably. I was not
trying to make that four foot stride.

537
00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:44.360
I'm just as if I were walking
through a wilderness, a wild land.

538
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Of course, I'm walking through a
yard. Nineteen inches was my average stride.

539
00:46:50.440 --> 00:46:55.800
I'm six foot tall, so in
order to get even close to four

540
00:46:55.960 --> 00:47:01.639
feet, you'd have to double my
size to twelve feet in order to even

541
00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:07.840
come up at thirty eight inches for
that stride, and we're talking four feet.

542
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Okay, you can do the math. So to me, that was

543
00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:17.960
very compelling evidence for the amount of
photographs and videos that I have seen.

544
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Now, could you hoax it?
I suppose you could. I suppose you

545
00:47:23.400 --> 00:47:30.280
could go out in the wilderness and
in a very awkward terrain on stilts.

546
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But who's going through that. There's
no physical evidence or photographs of somebody getting

547
00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:40.800
out of their car with a pair
of stilts with you know, bigfoot on

548
00:47:40.880 --> 00:47:44.719
the bottom of these stilts to go
walk off into the wood and make these

549
00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:49.360
prints. And nobody's ever said anything
like that. Well, what other choice

550
00:47:49.400 --> 00:47:54.199
would you have? You could probably
have an eight foot diameter wheel and put

551
00:47:54.400 --> 00:47:59.400
you know, a cast on opposite
ends of that wheel and roll it.

552
00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:04.079
But then you're going to have a
trackway of you either pushing it and it's

553
00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:09.920
the depression into the ground. We're
talking some weight that that can create some

554
00:48:10.039 --> 00:48:15.199
of this impression into the ground.
So I don't know how you could create

555
00:48:16.360 --> 00:48:22.840
that scene of that type of a
gate. And to me personally, it's

556
00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:27.920
just as compelling as some of the
cast prints that I've seen. I think

557
00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:31.599
it would be more outrageous to find
somebody pushing a large wheel with footprint castle.

558
00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:36.760
Yeah, right, that's saying bigfoot
itself right like that? Who has

559
00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:39.519
seen that though? That's what I'm
saying. Who's seen somebody in a parking

560
00:48:39.599 --> 00:48:45.199
lot pulling either stilt out? And
because that would be the first thing I

561
00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:50.440
do. My hammer would be out
snapping pictures of that immediately, by far

562
00:48:50.599 --> 00:48:54.159
more than if I saw something that
I didn't know what it was and considered

563
00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:58.079
a bigfoot, I'd probably be in
shocka wouldn't want to miss a moment,

564
00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:00.679
and and probably not take a picture
of it. But if I saw that,

565
00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:07.840
yeah, I'm snapping a picture of
that, going don't kidd right create

566
00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:10.119
this. It's funny you said,
Stilts, because that was the first thing

567
00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:14.880
I wrote down over here. When
you're talking about replicating and who the hell

568
00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:19.800
is really going to have the time
and energy to do that, and in

569
00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:22.559
factor in terrain, factor in terrain, you're putting yourself in some pretty interesting

570
00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:25.920
peril. You could snap a leg
real quick doing something stupid, So folks,

571
00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:29.840
those hoaxing don't try that at home. If you break your leg,

572
00:49:29.960 --> 00:49:30.800
it's on you, and then we're
going to kick the shit out of you

573
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:39.719
for being alone. We're gonna wish
now again advance. I think you know,

574
00:49:39.960 --> 00:49:44.079
done a really good job there one
of the things, Matt, because

575
00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:49.320
you're next, and I think as
interesting as none of us have really laid

576
00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:53.280
into some real video evidence. I
mean, Henry said the PG film,

577
00:49:54.079 --> 00:49:59.320
but no, the rest of us
haven't gone into any sort of kind of

578
00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:06.000
photo or video evidence. And then
her rights here real quick, madam.

579
00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:10.559
Sorry, yeahs evidence is almost every
First People's Nations has a reference to sasquatch

580
00:50:10.639 --> 00:50:15.039
type being physical, and I think
that's again a tremendous point to make.

581
00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:20.320
Go ahead, mad I'm sorry.
I was going to go back and say,

582
00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:25.519
in terms of the video evidence,
I'm actually the PG film. You

583
00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:29.360
know, we can rank them,
you know, the PG film is obviously

584
00:50:29.519 --> 00:50:32.239
number one. I think, you
know, it's about ninety nine percent that

585
00:50:32.840 --> 00:50:37.559
this is not a human. But
then we also have other footage as well,

586
00:50:38.079 --> 00:50:44.280
and especially with the Michael Freeman footage
I think is very compelling, even

587
00:50:44.360 --> 00:50:47.880
with the Memorial Day footage, you
know, and there was a few other

588
00:50:49.199 --> 00:50:52.360
a few other clips out there.
I'll to try and track them down that

589
00:50:52.599 --> 00:50:55.360
I thought we're pretty decent. But
then on the other hand, too,

590
00:50:57.280 --> 00:51:06.039
we researchers. We've been told about
certain evidence, and I heard Cliff and

591
00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:12.400
on his show talking about the you
know, there's game camera pictures from someone

592
00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:15.400
that they don't want people trudging through
their property. They don't want to be

593
00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:20.039
known, they don't want to be
famous. But then on the other hand,

594
00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:23.800
there's people that I've meant, and
there are also fellow researchers that they

595
00:51:23.960 --> 00:51:28.639
just don't know what they have on
their under game cameras. They don't want

596
00:51:28.679 --> 00:51:30.039
to come right out and say,
hey, this is a this is a

597
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:35.920
big foot. It's still unidentifiable.
I thought that there was one picture in

598
00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:39.840
particular that I thought, actually,
I thought it was kind of funny from

599
00:51:40.119 --> 00:51:45.559
the Olympic Project. And this is
going from way way back, you know,

600
00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:50.760
probably about ten ten years ago at
least, and they had a game

601
00:51:50.840 --> 00:51:54.280
cameras that were up in the up
in the mountains therein they had a picture

602
00:51:54.280 --> 00:52:00.760
of something looking down kind of with
its head turned. And the funniest thing

603
00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:05.159
that I thought it was just the
weird saying it almost looked like it had

604
00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:08.280
a surfer's haircut because it kind of
like went down. But it was not

605
00:52:08.519 --> 00:52:12.480
human. Yeah, it was not
human. It was but you know what,

606
00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:15.119
that's probably a West Coast sasquatch.
You know, they're probably like,

607
00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:22.159
yeah, yeah, But anyways,
like you know, there there's pictures like

608
00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:28.320
that that again you can't say,
okay, this is definitely you know,

609
00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:31.159
an ayplay creature. But man that, like I said, there are some

610
00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:36.239
game cameras that game camera picks that
are pretty compelling. And then again there's

611
00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:42.159
other ones that we're either told about
or you know, other people have seen

612
00:52:42.239 --> 00:52:45.480
that said, hey, listen to
people just don't want to come out and

613
00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:50.440
you know, and make this public. And a lot of times I respect

614
00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:53.159
that. I just wish that they
would give some of those you know,

615
00:52:53.320 --> 00:52:59.039
allow some some researchers to to take
a look at them, and not just

616
00:52:59.119 --> 00:53:01.880
researchers, but maybe scientists as well. And Dan says the best here,

617
00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:06.239
some of the best sasquats evidence comes
from those who don't speak on it or

618
00:53:06.320 --> 00:53:08.960
pour it out to the public.
There's a lot of interesting secrets being kept

619
00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:14.280
out there and that that's incredibly true. And Matt, I've talked with Cliff

620
00:53:14.519 --> 00:53:19.159
in Ohio at the conference on the
nights before where we can drink and be

621
00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:22.320
free. You know, he's made
that known to me before too. There's

622
00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:25.639
evidence out there that's never going to
see the light of day because people don't

623
00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:30.840
want the hassle. And as we
move into the information age where you know,

624
00:53:30.920 --> 00:53:34.719
and I commend people that try to
put together these mapping projects like the

625
00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:37.119
Bigfoot Mapping project. And you all
know. The reservations I have is that

626
00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:42.519
we don't infringe on the rights of
personal property of people and you know,

627
00:53:42.719 --> 00:53:46.239
unintentionally put anybody in any kind of
danger. Those folks don't want that hassle.

628
00:53:46.280 --> 00:53:50.679
And there is a reality where you
could get somebody who's a little unhinged

629
00:53:50.760 --> 00:53:53.519
going out there locally trying to find
bigfoot settings and end up in your backyard.

630
00:53:53.960 --> 00:53:59.840
You don't want that shit to happen. And that's the air of responsibility

631
00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:02.159
of having that. But that stuff's
never going to see the light of day,

632
00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:07.119
mainly because people don't want the hassle, or they don't want the potentiality

633
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:14.119
of being hassled by some entity local
government, state government, you know,

634
00:54:14.360 --> 00:54:16.960
because look, if you start posting
that kind of stuff and it's the real

635
00:54:17.079 --> 00:54:21.079
deal, who who knows is going
to be knocking at your front door?

636
00:54:21.480 --> 00:54:27.880
Correct? Correct? And again you
know there's there's a few researchers I know

637
00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:31.360
that that do have stuff on game
cameras, but again they're they're just so

638
00:54:32.079 --> 00:54:36.559
they don't want to put it out
there. They they may not it may

639
00:54:36.599 --> 00:54:39.880
be for that scrutinization as well,
that you know, somebody's going to look

640
00:54:39.920 --> 00:54:44.039
at and say, oh, this
was faked, or this is this was

641
00:54:44.079 --> 00:54:47.239
a bear, this is something else. And you know, with all the

642
00:54:47.800 --> 00:54:52.400
and I talked about this all the
time, all the circumstantial evidence may lead

643
00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:58.320
it to it's not a bear,
or this hasn't been faked. But you

644
00:54:58.400 --> 00:55:00.760
know, they just don't want to
put it out there. And I respect

645
00:55:01.119 --> 00:55:05.679
their decisions. But at some point
we know that there are some game camera

646
00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:10.519
photos out there. You know,
it would be nice again for people you

647
00:55:10.599 --> 00:55:16.480
know that are in the research or
scientific community to look at those and review

648
00:55:16.519 --> 00:55:22.360
those. In the mid two thousands
there was a farmer from Millville who stated

649
00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:29.719
came in on the PA Bigfoot Society
website that said he had game camera photos

650
00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:34.840
that were compelling and he'd like to
share them with us. Never got them,

651
00:55:35.199 --> 00:55:38.960
never responded to any emails, never
wanted to meet up. Very evasive.

652
00:55:39.719 --> 00:55:45.239
The lead is dead and I hope
you know that you know that gentleman

653
00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:46.840
may be still alive. I don't
know, but if not, that information

654
00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:51.079
died with them. The same thing
happened to a lady South Williamsport. And

655
00:55:51.199 --> 00:55:53.920
actually, in my book, I'll
give folks a little preference and Matt you've

656
00:55:53.960 --> 00:55:58.280
probably read it my books that you've
been the only other person as I talk

657
00:55:58.360 --> 00:56:02.239
about that thought of how many pictures
maybe on rolls of film, undeveloped in

658
00:56:02.360 --> 00:56:07.320
drawer somewhere because it's a lost art, you know, who knows what's out

659
00:56:07.400 --> 00:56:12.599
there anymore, and we may never
see that. So it's disappointing and frustrating,

660
00:56:12.639 --> 00:56:16.039
but alas a real potentiality. And
then we look at we look at

661
00:56:16.119 --> 00:56:22.079
other photos too that some people will
say would be paradolia, you know where,

662
00:56:23.639 --> 00:56:28.159
and again I can the big thing
on the internet is the red circles,

663
00:56:28.320 --> 00:56:34.400
you know, going yes. But
there was one photo which which I

664
00:56:34.519 --> 00:56:38.920
think is very compelling, which is
the Beast of Seven shoots right, And

665
00:56:39.440 --> 00:56:44.559
that was a photo that the guy
wasn't taking a picture of a bigfoot.

666
00:56:44.639 --> 00:56:47.679
He was taking a picture of a
waterfall. And six months later somebody says,

667
00:56:47.719 --> 00:56:51.719
hey, what's that in the corner
That looks like a bad boon carrying

668
00:56:51.800 --> 00:56:58.599
a dog, And to me that
is photographically I think that that's one of

669
00:56:58.639 --> 00:57:02.559
the most compelling images for me.
There was a great follow up to that

670
00:57:02.760 --> 00:57:09.000
because an individual went to that specific
location, set the camera up in the

671
00:57:09.119 --> 00:57:15.360
scene and was able to pretty much
identify the height of this. This thing

672
00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:21.639
was huge, Yes, and there
was nothing there that would have replicated that

673
00:57:21.800 --> 00:57:25.840
of being a Paradila type of situation. There was nothing there, so clearly

674
00:57:27.719 --> 00:57:32.519
that photograph had something that is no
longer there. And yeah, that picture

675
00:57:32.599 --> 00:57:37.199
creeps me out because it's kind of
huge, baboon looking thing holding a dog.

676
00:57:37.840 --> 00:57:42.760
Yes, I know, I know, And we've talked about this on

677
00:57:42.920 --> 00:57:45.639
the show in the past, so
in one of our archived episodes. I

678
00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:49.840
think it's Bigfoot on video one or
two that we've done where we talk about

679
00:57:49.880 --> 00:57:52.519
that. I think it was the
Is it the same as the independence video

680
00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:55.920
or something else might be different.
I think it may be the same figure.

681
00:57:57.000 --> 00:57:59.920
To be fair, I don't know. We'll go back and research it.

682
00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:01.480
I'll post an update link in the
show link when we go ahead and

683
00:58:01.559 --> 00:58:06.480
make this. But for the sake
of time, anything else that you wanted

684
00:58:06.480 --> 00:58:08.199
to add to that, Matt,
because I think you've made some again I

685
00:58:09.079 --> 00:58:15.679
think, yeah, yeah, well, okay, let me wrap that up

686
00:58:15.800 --> 00:58:22.159
just to say real quick, what
Matt's talking about the seven Shoots photograph That

687
00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:24.880
might be what is being confused as
a dog man too, And I'll just

688
00:58:25.039 --> 00:58:28.840
leave it at that. Well,
and we've talked about that in the past

689
00:58:28.920 --> 00:58:31.039
too, yep, and we we'll
save that for another show because I don't

690
00:58:31.039 --> 00:58:37.519
want to get on the whole dog
man thing anyhow. If people haven't seen

691
00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:40.360
them, you just look it up, you know, the what's the what's

692
00:58:40.400 --> 00:58:45.719
the the Beast of seven Shoots?
I believe that's yes, the h ut

693
00:58:46.679 --> 00:58:54.039
not shoots is in gun right or
other things? Or stop it for the

694
00:58:54.119 --> 00:58:57.760
love of God, all right now
for me, We'll wrap it up with

695
00:58:57.880 --> 00:59:02.280
the fat Man Number one. The
overwhelming amount of citing reports. I think

696
00:59:02.440 --> 00:59:07.639
that there's no way that all these
reports that have come in, everybody that

697
00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:13.679
has been batshit crazy, they've all
managed to find their way onto an online

698
00:59:13.760 --> 00:59:19.800
form and talk about the same thing
or many times coincidentally describing a creature that

699
00:59:19.960 --> 00:59:24.119
has been seen many places. I
think the unknown audio documented, you know,

700
00:59:24.320 --> 00:59:30.480
to folks through David Ellis and Stan
Courtney. I think Stan Courtney is

701
00:59:30.599 --> 00:59:36.639
someone we often forget about now when
we talk about Bigfoot audio. But his

702
00:59:36.840 --> 00:59:39.039
website Stan Courtney, I think it's
Stan courtney dot com. You can go

703
00:59:39.199 --> 00:59:49.440
check it out, and that has
an overwhelming amount of files on there that

704
00:59:49.480 --> 00:59:52.079
you can go and check. I
mean, it's really outstanding how much he

705
00:59:52.159 --> 00:59:55.800
has on there. David Ellis through
the Olympic Project, really documented some things.

706
00:59:55.840 --> 01:00:00.840
And the last thing none of us
brought up before is the known primate

707
01:00:00.960 --> 01:00:05.119
hair. All these hair samples that
come back unknown primate and the only thing

708
01:00:05.199 --> 01:00:09.480
we don't have to compare it to
is what of course sample right? But

709
01:00:09.679 --> 01:00:14.440
over time do you think you could
not compare enough of these hair of unknown

710
01:00:14.519 --> 01:00:22.760
primates collectively and say hey we've got
something here. One follicle, yes,

711
01:00:22.960 --> 01:00:25.480
but one hundred follicles of different places
that are the same thing. I don't

712
01:00:25.480 --> 01:00:30.920
know. That gets a little bit
more difficult for me to invalidate. So

713
01:00:30.119 --> 01:00:36.039
that's my if I had three things
that I really kind of had a foundation

714
01:00:36.199 --> 01:00:39.400
on, and of course my sighting
of whatever I experienced out in Clearfield in

715
01:00:39.440 --> 01:00:45.599
twenty twelve changed my life forever.
And most definitely you know something I hold

716
01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:49.239
quite dear and profound, and you
can check that out in one of our

717
01:00:49.280 --> 01:00:52.480
past episodes, the incident on Rock
and Mountain. Guys. Anything you want

718
01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:58.280
to wrap this up with tonight,
any final thoughts, emotions, tender loving

719
01:00:58.360 --> 01:01:02.599
care moments, just thanks to everybody, that came into the chat room tonight

720
01:01:02.719 --> 01:01:08.119
and is sharing their thoughts and it's
greatly appreciated. I hate to rush it

721
01:01:08.239 --> 01:01:12.280
through because we were having some good
dialogue, but time is of the essence.

722
01:01:12.760 --> 01:01:15.920
As always, time is money.
Henry, why don't you go ahead

723
01:01:15.960 --> 01:01:22.719
and take us out with that beautiful
bean footage? Mm oh, he's muted.

724
01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:25.360
Go ahead, try that again,
Henry. There it is. I'll

725
01:01:25.400 --> 01:01:30.119
be good and be good then and
we'll see not next week but the week

726
01:01:30.199 --> 01:01:40.360
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