EP 95: That Big Ole' Sasquatch

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As always, listener discretion is advised. We got someone or something growing around

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out here? Does a legend walk
among us working in the forests of our

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world? Did you see what it
was? Well? It a person or

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an animal? Or I can't go. Oh, I know it's that my

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thunder light came on and I get
happened to glimp and see the thing running

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across the yard. A good sight
man or something works like a man.

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I don't know what it was.
For over fifteen years, we've talked with

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scientists, researchers, investigators, and
witnesses trying to gain insight and proof around

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the existence of this mysterious entity.
Jesus quiet, hello, get some money

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out of here. What's going on? Announce there? Thable mentions about six

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foot right. I don't know,
easy, announce there. Yeah, I'm

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working right her? Oh, okay, hand on her, Yeah, got

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it's bigger. Okay, what's he
doing here? Yarn? We're gonna do

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join us as we continue into the
investigation of the sasquatch experience. And again,

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good evening, folks. I'm Sean
the fork Chop Forker, James Baker,

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Matt Arner, Henry vance Nes.
Been on and off with some technical

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difficulties. We're operating in low power
mode here, not in purpose, but

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we're having some technical difficulties with internet
service. But we found a way to

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broadcast live to you tonight. So
give us a little mercy of things don't

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go so well. But Henry a
little bit of sad news to kick the

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show off with. Why don't you
go ahead? Did you can see down

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there in the corner, folks,
in memory of Bill Braun, longtime researcher

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passed away February fifteenth, Go ahead, Henry. Yeah. Bill was one

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of those researchers that no a whole
lot of big players knew about. But

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he was one of the most dedicated. Yeah. He was the one stand

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of the original A Bear Roads incident
from nineteen seventy six, correct. And

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he was always nice to me.
He always it's like as he would call

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me, and he would send me
letters back of me to send letters,

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send me pictures of the fall colors
up there in the Northeast. Yeah,

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yeah, it's tragic, Henry.
I mean, you know, it's never,

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never nice to lose anybody in this
research, but when you're a little

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bit more connected to them, you
know, Bill was a mentor to one

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of my good friends, Steve Coles. Steve, of course, posted over

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the weekend, had a nice tribute
to Bill. We interviewed Bill Brown many

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years ago. I reposted that episode
yesterday so folks could go and take a

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listen. It's important that we understand
it and recognize our history and where the

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research comes from and where it's been
and where we're going, because I feel

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like so many people are a part
of this, Henry, and they get

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swept away because they may not be
the famous TV personalities and they may not

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have written forty two books on the
subject. But Bill's impact is on us,

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you know, people that followed his
work and people that were, you

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know, a lot more closely associated
with Bill than I was. Seth bridlove

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right last night that if it wasn't
for Bill, Beast of Whitehall probably would

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have never happened. So when you
talk about some impact Bill had aside from

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that interview, he was gracious enough
to give us those years ago. You

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know, he had an impact and
he will be missed, of course by

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friends and family and by those of
us in the community. We lost another

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stable, solid voice and our you
know, hearts go out to his family

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and his friends. So ex absolutely
kicked the show off in that regard.

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Guys, Tonight we have an interesting
show. We want to do something a

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little different that big old Sasquatch.
Right, We're going to talk about bigfoot

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creatures that exceed the threshold of reasonable
size. And I know over the years

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we've I think we've got vance back
here. You know, sometimes we often

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scoff at these reports of creatures being
over ten feet tall ten eleven, twelve,

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thirteen, fourteen, fifteen feet,
but these reports happen, and tonight

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we're going to talk about him.
I think one of the things we have

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to really recognize right at the front
is that you know, Lawer and Coleman,

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Patrick, Hugh, Mark Hall,
gentlemen of that generation, you know,

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really took it seriously, wrote some
really good books. I have them

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right here. There's True Giants which
you can get. This is the Field

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Guide to Bigfoot. Another Mystery Primates. This is the second edition I believe

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I have the first edition in my
library over here he talks about it as

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and Bigfoot, the True Stories of
Apes in America. And then also I

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got my research materials all over this
destiny, so bear with me. I

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know somebody will get on there and
say they're never prepared, kiss my ass.

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And then True Stories Giants Giants is
the gigantopithec is still alive? Yeah?

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Right? And so Henry, why
don't you, you know, just

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feeling a little bit on the overview
of the true giants once you became familiar

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with the term. Well, I
read that book in twenty eleven. I

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got a copy of it from from
Lauren at the John Green Tribute, a

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sign copy, and he and Mark
A. Hall did quite the light.

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Mark A. Hall quite a bit
of work, quite a bit of research

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on this topic. And they said, well, these may seem like they're

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true sasquatch, but they're really not. They're just gigantic. Well, they're

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covered in hair, so what else
would you call them? Right? The

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behavior is sasquatch like the footprints or
sasquatch like, albeit much larger. Now,

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there have been some interesting encounters of
them reported wearing flannel shirts or other

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pieces of clothing or you know,
being very large, maybe not so quite

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bulky and massive, but definitely larger
built and kind of lanky. So it's

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just interesting to hear some of these
stories. Matt Baker, what do you

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guys got before we are diving into
some of the true giants. Well,

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like if we take it from a
man's perspective, like I just looked it

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up, and like the the tallest
man was Robert Wablow and he was eight

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foot eleven inches, And you have
like people like Andre the Giant. You

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have some of the people that,
like you can actually whatever. Most of

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them died because of structural issues,
you know, like their knees went quicker

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in the in their circulation was a
problem in their back, and the way

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they stood because because the hut,
you know, that height made it so

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hard for them to just you know, move around consistently. So I would

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I would say that if it is
a gigantic creature, I'm more on the

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possibility that it's a gigantic like a
giant that's made structurally to be a giant

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more than a really large like eleven
or twelve foot like ape like creature.

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I don't know. I go more
with the mythical less than the real life

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creature that could be eleven to twelve
feet high. You're a p five fox

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FuMB man, huh, because like
you look, like I said, structurally,

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Like you look at a lot of
these people, even athletes, athletes

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over seven foot tall or people over
seven foot tall, their knees and their

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joints start to go because it's so
it's so hard just to stand that tall.

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Yeah, you know, plus doorways
must be a bitch. Yeah,

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I mean, you're not kidding,
Robert Wadlow, You're right. He did,

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you know, eight foot eleven.
They said when he died, his

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casket was over ten feet long and
weighed over one thousand pounds. Took I

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believe what did it say here?
It took probably twelve guys, twelve Paul

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Bears and eight assistants to help.
That's that's quite a that's quite a train.

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Andre the giant was so big that
when they had to do surgery,

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they had no clue how much anesthetic
or how much stuff to give him.

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And then they asked one of his
coworkers how much can he drink? And

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they're like, you didn't want to
start that right, and you know,

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both of them probably had some form
of pituitary issue. Andre the Giant,

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of course, we know was Acromegley, I believe is what it was called.

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Yes, and he suffered with that
for a very long time. And

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you know, he was a world
attraction. I don't know if he was

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quite seven foot four as he was
billed in the pro wrestling world. You

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know, those heights are often you
know, exaggerate a little bit. But

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well, there's that one famous picture
where he's standing next to Vince McMahon.

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Vince McMahon six foot I don't know
we're allowed to talk about him right now,

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but he's six foot three and Andre
the Giant looks like he's two feet

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taller than Vince McMahon, but you
know, in reality, he's probably a

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foot foot taller. So there are
a little bit of stage tricks that they

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used. But Andre, it wasn't
just so much the fact that he was

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a tall he was just massive in
general. Large. Yeah, five pounds,

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that's quite the proportional person. So
there's a lot of mass there.

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And then so we take that and
we talk about something that's probably twice the

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size of Entre the Giant. Think
of that's the size you know that pop

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in the office if you want to
show picture, it kind of looks like

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but like And that's where I think
we need to look at is you know,

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with anything we do in this community, we have to look at a

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creature that we can poke a stick
at, as you said, you know,

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and say, okay, this is
this is what a ape of this

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whatever would look like. How what's
I didn't look it up, So if

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somebody knows, maybe Henry knows.
Do you know what the largest ape ever

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was? Well, that would have
been gigo bithegous. But we're talking about

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creatures that reach might reach around ten
to fifteen feet, at least ten to

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fifteen feet, although you know,
and there was a signing I guess we're

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going to talk about nineteen sixty five
at the Big Horn Dam. I think

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it was a Big Horn Dam site
where the workers claiming they saw a fifteen

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foot Sasquatch. We just think of
that height, Henry and got fifteen feet.

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The root the ceiling in this room, I believe is thirteen feet,

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So you're talking about something that's another
two feet taller than that. That's immense,

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but it's not insular to that one. Look he there have been reports

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up in Maine, Henry of these
creatures being over ten feet tall, creatures

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in Nova Scotia. I was just
on a podcast over the week in New

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Labrador that was it was a paranormal
podcast she had me on. She was

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telling me the creature sightings of over
twelve feet tall. That's huge, Matt.

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You were going to say something there
and we kind of went off the

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trail. How are you doing?
Oh, I'm doing good. Hopefully you

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guys can hear me because I'm having
some Internet issues myself. But all right,

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perfect. I mean, there's so
much I want to talk about tonight.

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Obviously, the number one thing that
comes from a lot of different researchers

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is Bergmann's rule. So we're not
looking at we're not hearing about these creatures

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down in Florida, you know that, are you know, ten twelve feet

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tall? Generally the creatures that you're
hearing about in Florida could be anywhere from

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six to eight feet. But the
one set of stories that I heard about

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was about the Nahani Valley and the
headless people of the Nahani Valley, where

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I guess there was a couple of
people that they found their bodies and their

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heads were missing. And this is
in the Northwest territories. It is,

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it is, so this is very
close to the Arctic Circle. And the

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one thing is is they were talking
about up there that were that were in

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nexcess of twelve feet tall, that
were that were in this valley area.

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So that kind of plays into the
whole Bergman's rule that animals, some animals

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from the same species could be bigger. I think a deer too. If

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you see a deer, say from
Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia, Florida,

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they're generally smaller than say a Pennsylvania
deer. If you look at a

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deer from Maine, or if we're
going out to west coast like Saskatchewan,

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Alberta, those deer are huge compared, but they're still the same species.

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And it's that could be where Bergmann's
rule comes into play. The only thing

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that throws Bergmann's rule off is humans. So what I did was I researched

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the average size of the Inuit,
which are commonly referred to as Eskimos,

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you know, it's the Inua tribe, and I think they're they're average.

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They're average height is about five foot
six for males, it's rather small.

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So you do have somebody that,
you know, a human being that lives

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in that area closer to the Arctic
circle, but their bodies are smaller than

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say somebody from you know, you
know, from closer to the equator where

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especially if you look in certain areas
that I mean, you know, you

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got these guys that are growing,
you know, like we just said,

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you know it six and a half
seven feet tall, and you know they're

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not coming from Canada. You know, they're not coming from from these northern

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places. But the one kind of
quotion that that comes into play is not

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just environment but nutrition. So that
plays a lot into it as well in

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terms of humans. But humans kind
of duck the bergman's role as opposed to

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other species that that seemed to you
know, go along with that. What

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we leave to be is that because
we have less tribal genetics, like be

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into it. And the reason that
they're all let's say five foot tall is

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because everybody there is five foot tall, so consistently the genetics would make that

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five foot tall person. But like
if you put a bunch of seven foot

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tall people that got let's we'll say, a plane crash is their name with

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a with a basketball team, and
it takes ten years to find them.

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And would you have a bunch of
seven foot six, you know, with

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the range change because you had a
new That's that's a good question. Genetics

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does play a big part of it. But the other part that that plays

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into it. Two is nutrition.
People today. I mean we as we

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as humans have gotten much bigger over
the last almost one hundred years because of

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because of the nutrition that we're having. You know, if I walked up

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to you know, my great great
great grandfather, you know, I'm I'm

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six foot four, you know,
and most people back in the eighteen hundreds,

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your your average size is only about
five eight or so. So again,

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I you know, as you know, we're kind of changing a little

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bit, you know, in a
you know, faster reaction. But when

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those northern areas like that, there
were exception with the Vikings. I did

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research people from Scandinavian countries and we
always talked about the Vikings, you know,

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like you know, there are these
big, strong, monstrous people.

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But on the other hand, they
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They had access to certain grain crops
because they would go in a raid,

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they had access to obviously all sorts
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so there's plenty of the variabilities to
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Inuits, a lot of their their
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a lot of fat content, a
lot of protein. But in terms

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of the yes, yes, you
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about the best growing the seasons up
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yeah, growing well kind of both
trade to grill man, Yeah, yeah,

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but like you make, you make
a valid point, and like if

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you look at like tribal areas where
man doesn't interact with other people, Let's

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say, for instance, like there
was there was an article I read a

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little while ago that from like two
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that they were all in breeding because
there's no ever, you know, Saint

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Olive. You've got places like there's
tribes in Africa that I've never seen another

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person that's not part of their tribe. Then that and not exactly in breeding,

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but I'm just saying that that they
only have so much genetic whatever,

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or like you know, when England
and France and Spain would only the kings

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and queens would only go with other
kings and queens, and eventually you started

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to see diseases and different things like
that. The same could be with these

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gigantic animals. If if you're if
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the apes are only five foot tall, you're not. You might get a

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random seven foot tall ap. But
you may have the secondary issue of they

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may say that is weird. He
doesn't get to mate with any of my

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children, do you know what I
mean? So you know, it kind

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of goes. I don't know that
being it's an animal, But on my

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case, I like I said that
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There might be that question of he's
genetically weird. We're not going to mate

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with it, you know what I
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deer than he He doesn't care the
other deer six but he's only there,

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but he just like, yeah,
if I can get up on you know

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whatever. You know, But you
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just saw. We we had a
question just posed to us. You know

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how many you know, how long
ago was it that you know people over

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six foot were giants? And and
really I mean, you know you can

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go back in history and especially like
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not as big as some of the
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maybe, but I do you know, delve into it because we're close to

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Gettysburg. But they would talk about
these, you know, giant men who

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were you know, like whether they're
officers or you know, in the staffs

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that were you know, straddling at
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So it was not as calm.
It was still you were still getting tall

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people, but it wasn't as common
as you see today. I miss that

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train. I'm not considered in time, and it can also consider value.

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Like right now, if you're a
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yes, you know, if you're
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way, you have value. I'm
not you know, And I would say

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one hundred years ago, if you
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value. If you were built a
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You know, they like said,
hey, you go over there with those

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people. You're not going to get
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the thing was is now it's like, oh he's tall at six feet okay,

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whatever. You know, they you
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and green eyes. They weren't a
witch, you know, yes, so

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yeah, And even going back to
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I was thinking of every swapping.
You see videos of that that island in

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Senegal off the coast of Senegal,
with the that the tribe has had literally

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zero contact with people. There was
a missionary that I guess landed on the

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beach and they ended up eating them
at some point. But he had a

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valid he validly wastowd multiple times.
Get off there. Oh he was old,

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Yeah, and then put one back. So you know, from a

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guy who likes my front yard with
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agree if you saw the pictures,
like you know, they I believe it's

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under the under the jurisdiction of India
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so that there's no contact everything.
Yes, but they will they will occasionally

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take pictures. And when you see
the pictures, you know it's they're a

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taller people. You know, they're
generally tall. They they had the long

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arms quite different than what you see
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and Alaska. Solid points, Solid
points, guys, are gonna take our

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quick news break here, see if
we can rally and reboot. And when

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we come back, we'll continue this
discussion true giants, maybe get into some

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true giant stories when we come back
with the Sasquatch experience. Folks stick around

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New Steam a symbol. And so
you figured that I would take about five

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seconds for the world to win,
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Then then about thirty years past and
Germany decides again to go to war,

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and again it chooses as its enemy
the world, and this time they have

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that guy kind that guy, And
I'm not even gonna dignify him by saying

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his name, but I you know
I'm done. Ah. Yes, the

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soft and velvety sounds of Norm MacDonald. This is the Bigfootbullhorn exclusively on the

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Sasquatch Experience. And a happy Monday
night to you all. I hope your

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weekend recovery has gone well. But
why did we bring up the Germany thing?

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Well, it's kind of ironic.
Germany is not really known for its

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sense of humor, so a study
was done out of Munich, Germany.

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What's so funny? Well, a
new study suggests that apes possess a sense

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of humor just like humans. An
international team has discovered that four species of

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great apes are Rangutang's, chimpanzees,
Bonobo's, and gorillas, all engage in

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playful teasing with one another. This
behavior, identified by cognitive biologist and primatologists,

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mirrors human joking in its provocation,
persistent nature, incorporating elements of surprise

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and play. The findings indicate that
all four grade ape species engage in this

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playful teasing, leading the research team
to propose that the foundational elements of humor

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may have evolved in the human lineage
at least thirteen million years ago. Now.

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According to researchers, humor plays a
crucial role in human interactions, relying

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on social intelligence, the ability to
protict future actions and the recognition and appreciation

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of others' expectations are to be defined. Teasing shares many similarities with joking,

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suggesting that playful teasing could serve as
a cognitive precursor to humor. The researchers

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conducted an analysis of spontaneous social interactions
among apes that were playful, mildly harassing,

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or provocative in nature. During these
interactions, they closely observed the actions,

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body movements, and facial expressions of
the apes initiating the teasing, as

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well as the reactions from those being
teased. It was common for teasers to

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repeatedly wave or swing body parts or
an object in the middle of the target's

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field of vision, hit or poke
them, stare closely at their face,

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disrupt their movements, pull on their
hair, or perform other behaviors that were

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extremely difficult for the target to ignore. Although playful teasing took many forms in

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the study, researchers say it still
differed from play in many ways. Playful

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teasing in the Great Apes is one
sided, very much coming from the teaser,

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often throughout the entire interaction, and
rarely reciprocated. The animal also rarely

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use play signals, like the primary
playface, which is similar to what we

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would call a smile or hold gestures
that signaled their intent to play. The

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team also found that playful teasing mainly
took place when the apes were relaxed,

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and their behavior shared similarities with human
behaviors. When we come back, it's

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to this edition of the Big Football
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Experience and you know what to do, right, Guys, keep your toe

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in the mind. Thanks Vance.
I know you're not here here, but

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I know you're hearing this somewhere a
lot of hears anyhow, Folks, I'm

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Sean the Ford Shop fork Er.
That's you, James Baker, Matt Arnor

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Henry May your guides and hosts for
tonight's episode of The Sasquatch Experience, Episode

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ninety five. That big old Sasquatch
talking about true giants and Matt was hitting

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us with some heavy facts before we
jumped off to the break. And guys,

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some great stories you know from the
pitt Lake, British Columbia area of

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some some really large sized sasquatch.
Hen Are you familiar with the pitt Lake

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stories? Oh? Think I may
have read about them, but remember much

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about so you know, the problem
is it's not a topic we talk about

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a lot. Again, as you
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Happened in the nineteen sixties to sixty
five. You can find this on bigfootencounters

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dot Com. Of course, Bobby
Short's fantastic website still out there on the

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internet. You know, Bobby might
have passed on, but her legacy still

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lives on with the Bigfoot Encounter's website. Great restores for historical Bigfoot stories.

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If you get a chance, go
check that out. Pitt Lake is twenty

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to thirty five miles up the Fraser
River from Vancouver, BC. It is

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a very it is very rare that
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the world affected directly by the Pacific
Ocean tides. That's an interesting fact for

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you. An incident in the early
nineteen sixties, this, of course,

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is an article by Ken Christian.
Go back to where I was in that

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article because I wanted to quote the
author. An incident in the early nineteen

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sixties got me interested in the subject
of SaaS squatch. When something like this,

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a logging company owner by the name
of Joe Manouk had a similar show

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at a palace at a palace at
a place at Lake called Frenchman's Bay now

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known as Christian Cove on the maps. He went up the mountain about one

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mile or so to get it some
big timber and a very steep and rugged

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canyon. In the process of setting
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he towed a wood frame and plywood
cook bunk house on a three foot round

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skid logs up the valley with a
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After the log show and got most
of the good wood out, he

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left the old cook bunk house up
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a hunting cabin, and one weekend
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my friends fred Ron and Vince headed
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Of course, they're called about blacktail
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a Friday afternoon and proceeded to give
the old cabin a quick sweep to get

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rid of the mouse droppings, chop
enough firewood the last couple days, cook

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some dinner, and then they hit
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Sometime during the middle of the night, they were all rudely awakened by

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a massive crash of something hitting the
outside of the cabin hard enough to dislodge

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to sew the stove pipes and fill
the entire cabin with black soot and choking

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smoke. At first light in the
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They expected the cabin, fully expecting
to find a giant boulder claw marks from

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a big bear or some other such
sign on the outside walls, but found

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nothing. I went up the following
weekend on a hunting trip and had a

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good look around the cabin for myself. I found no broken branches on any

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of the small olders that had sprung
up besides the cabin, or anything else

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to indicate something with a rational explanation
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Over the years, I often pondered
the thought of what could possibly hit the

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cabin walls so high up above the
skid logs on the bunk side, where

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everyone was sleeping and probably snoring a
bit, with the force required to knock

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the stove in its pipes completely out
of commission. Not one of us could

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figure this out until later date,
when the stories of sasquatch began to quietly

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circulate among the area's loggers. In
the late nineteen sixties, myself and a

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few other commercial fishermen and old hand
laggers went to visit Oscar Greenland, now

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deceased, a longtime hand lagger and
permanent resident of Pitt Lake. Oscar seemed

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to enjoy our visits, as we
always brought a bottle of his favorite gin

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and some type of retreat for his
faithful old dog. Sometime during the long

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hour BS session, the subject of
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Oscar told us about a time some
years back when he was heading up the

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lake towards at home. Towards home
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He went on to explain that the
lake was as flat as glass and

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there wasn't a breath of wind.
As they were heading out from point to

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point, he happened to glance towards
the shoreline and noticed a rhythmic splashing about

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three hundred yards away. Out of
curiosity, he decided to head his old

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east top powered ex grill nutter towards
the beach and each in case someone was

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in trouble. As he got closer, he noticed a downed alder or cottonwood

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tree lying in the water, with
what appeared to be a huge, dark

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colored man ape jumping up and down
on it, looking for all the world

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like it was simply playing and totally
amused by the splashes it was baking the

405
00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:16.960
water his damp snaxt plane in the
water. Oscar went on to explain that

406
00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:21.840
the once the ape like creature spotted
him getting closer, it went up the

407
00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:24.480
tree faster than any man could have
possibly gone, and quickly disappeared into the

408
00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:30.039
bush. Old Oscar then asked if
we thought there were any grizzly bears in

409
00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:31.920
the Pit Lake country. While none
of us had ever seen or heard of

410
00:34:31.960 --> 00:34:36.079
a grizzly bear down low in his
general neck of the woods, we asked

411
00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:39.360
him why he inquired. Oscar said
that one day he was up behind his

412
00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:44.199
cabin cutting shake blocks when his dog
suddenly began to growl, bark, and

413
00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:47.719
generally go crazy. Oscar said he
stared in the direction the dog's gaze was

414
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:52.000
fixed upon, and saw what he
thought was about an eight foot or taller

415
00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:55.880
grizzly standing on its hind legs,
partially hidden behind some olders Oscar went on

416
00:34:55.920 --> 00:34:59.880
to say that he heard plenty of
bears grunt and cougar's scream in the day

417
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:04.320
in the bush, but never heard
such a tremendously rout roar come from out

418
00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:07.159
of any animal he knew of.
So that one was about eight feet tall.

419
00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:12.800
And there's another story that goes around
the in nineteen ninety five in the

420
00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:16.480
same area they find a fresh set
of seventeen inch sasquatch tracks, and then

421
00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:21.719
another story around that sixty to sixty
five time where they saw a twelve foot

422
00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:27.880
tall black sasquatch in that area.
And so the Pitt Lake area, as

423
00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:30.159
you could see in that ninety at
that sixties the sixty five time had quite

424
00:35:30.199 --> 00:35:35.360
a number of sightings reported. Think
with that something large enough and impactful enough

425
00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:37.679
to hit the side of that cabin
and knock the stovepipe out of the wall

426
00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:44.760
that's got shades of Ape Canyon to
that story, something eight feet tall or

427
00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:46.800
larger, And that's pretty damn big. I mean, even eight feet is

428
00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:54.639
still a little bit larger than an
acceptable creature should be. Well, I

429
00:35:54.760 --> 00:36:00.199
was gonna say in the research I
was doing too grizzly bears, And again

430
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:06.199
these are you know, not in
that that particular area. But grizzly bears

431
00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:09.599
could be, you know, standing
on their hind legs up to ten feet

432
00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:16.320
tall, and then a polar bear
would be up to twelve. So you

433
00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:20.880
know, but if you're not you're
not seeing a polar bear, you know,

434
00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:25.719
walking around in you know, southern
you know, British Columbia or in

435
00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:30.320
those areas that would be rather outside
their region, correct, right, But

436
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:34.360
there was talk of that hybrid.
I don't remember the name of that,

437
00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:37.360
do you know what I'm referring to? It was an Alaskan killer bear.

438
00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:40.800
It was like the hybrid of the
grizzly and polar and it was really large,

439
00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:45.360
like thirteen or fourteen feet tall,
massive claws on it. And I

440
00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:47.119
don't know if they ever found any
truth behind that or not, but you

441
00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:52.400
know what I'm referring to, man, Yes, yep. What else we

442
00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:55.360
got out there for stories of the
big fella pretty interesting, Henry. You

443
00:36:55.360 --> 00:37:01.159
got the stories of true giants there
we go. Well, I wanted I

444
00:37:01.400 --> 00:37:06.719
kind of touched on it earlier,
but the story at Big Horn, damn

445
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:13.400
in I think it was Alberta where
several workers spotted a what they estimated to

446
00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:17.400
be a fifteen foot tall creature standing
there watching them. And the way they

447
00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:22.559
determined it was fifteen feet was they
went over there later and they measure the

448
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:30.360
tree, measured a tree which and
they prepare they make comparison. They realized,

449
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:36.079
Holy crap, I think it was
fifteen feet tall. Well, the

450
00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:38.159
nice thing is when you have a
tree so close you can go and actually

451
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:42.480
get a physical measurement of that.
It makes all the difference in the world

452
00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:45.920
when you can really get a true, accurate height assessment. And so you're

453
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:52.519
measuring something ten to fifteen feet.
Could you imagine health just massive that is

454
00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:58.159
just in scope when you're seeing that
for the first time, Like I'm trying

455
00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:00.440
to, you know, just imagine, you know, Matt, you and

456
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:02.639
I standing at a vista and all
of a sudden looking at and there's a

457
00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:07.280
fifteen tall ape looking for this.
I'd be shitting a brick. I don't

458
00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:12.400
know if it could handle that,
to be honest, that's scary. And

459
00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:15.199
these reports, you know, like
I said, though uncommon, they're not.

460
00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:22.119
They're uncommon in many areas. But
you know, also in Alabama,

461
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:28.840
there was a story of a twelve
foot tall twelve foot tall sasquatch creature and

462
00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:35.320
they called it Big Joe. It
was seen by four people in Alabama State

463
00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:39.840
Route twenty two in Tallapoosa County,
documented by bigfoot researcher Jim Smith. This

464
00:38:39.920 --> 00:38:45.800
is on Fantoms and Monsters website.
Took place within a four mile radius around

465
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:49.559
mile marker one thirty five, and
Big Joe, as they called it,

466
00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:53.400
was spotted twice within a four week
time and according to Jim, the first

467
00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:57.320
report was submitted by a woman who
claimed to have been driving on the night

468
00:38:57.320 --> 00:39:00.519
of Halloween when they spotted the creature. There's a hunting trail that goes into

469
00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:04.079
the woods. When they came upon
the curve, they look out the woods

470
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:07.800
and saw the black bigfoot walking down
through the woods. And again, like

471
00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:13.239
they said, just massive, massively
tall creature twelve feet and that you know,

472
00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:17.159
coming from Alabama, that's that's a
rarity because in the South they tend

473
00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:21.320
to be a little smaller, you
know, less built and a little bit

474
00:39:21.360 --> 00:39:25.920
more swamp ape swamp ape. Like
this thing's about double the size of a

475
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:30.760
swamp ape. So you go back
to James Baker's genetic freaks there or you

476
00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:35.719
got you know, is there another
you know, potentiality for a different type

477
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:39.679
of specimen down in the swamps of
Alabama. James Baker is still with us.

478
00:39:39.679 --> 00:39:46.880
You alive, Yes, okay,
yeah, yeah, I could be.

479
00:39:47.320 --> 00:39:51.480
And it matters what the season would
be. Yeah, well this was

480
00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:58.880
in the fall, you know.
Yeah, maybe that's that's down in your

481
00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:02.079
neck of the woods, Henry,
Yeah, says that's right next door to

482
00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:07.119
us, Mississippi. In Mississippi,
do you have any twelve foot Do you

483
00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:10.679
have any large creature sightings in Mississippi, Henry that you know of firsthand,

484
00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:15.880
that you've collected over the years.
All I know is that there have been

485
00:40:16.039 --> 00:40:21.960
eight foot tall ones here Mississippi,
you know, about taller than that now

486
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:25.280
twelve foot anyway, you know,
eight foot tall according to the Field Guide

487
00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:31.280
to Primates and Other Mystery Apes,
that's considered a neo giant by Coleman and

488
00:40:32.440 --> 00:40:37.480
Hugh and Hall. Still sizable creatures. And again, when you're normally looking

489
00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:40.480
for something six to you know,
six to eight feet tall, you think

490
00:40:40.519 --> 00:40:44.880
anything over the eight foot tall is
a little bit of an aberration. But

491
00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:49.400
then you start getting into the conversation
of are they male or females? You

492
00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:53.480
know, which you know, the
sexual dimorphism in different groups. You know,

493
00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:59.119
is this one of those situations where
the women are bigger than the men

494
00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:02.079
in the in the hierarchy and we
just don't know. You know, you

495
00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:07.559
look at Patty as the Patterson gim
One creature. She's six feet seven feet

496
00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:13.519
tall, But is that considered average
height? Ver sasquat? You know,

497
00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:16.159
in California you don't get a whole
lot of you know, variation. But

498
00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:20.760
so when you talk about plausibility in
these reports guys, and we start getting

499
00:41:20.800 --> 00:41:25.039
citing reports of something that's seven to
eight to ten feet tall on your credibility

500
00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:29.119
scale. When you're first hearing that, where does it go? Where does

501
00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:34.280
your meter start ticking off? I
think it's how they present it more than

502
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:37.000
what the sizing is. If they're
giving you, if it's you know,

503
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:40.840
nine hundred pounds and five feet tall, and you know, darn well,

504
00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:45.320
there's got to be some kind of
differential, you know, But if they're

505
00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:46.760
telling you, you know, hey, it was about what I feel this

506
00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:52.039
and some of the other conversational of
like how they feel, like the hands,

507
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:53.760
the feet ratio and things like that, and I realized not everybody's going

508
00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:58.079
to talk to a scientists. But
you know, like if they're telling you

509
00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:00.280
that it's you know, it was
eleven feet tall, Okay, what did

510
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:04.679
you judge that by? And then
they give you some gibberish answer. Then

511
00:42:04.760 --> 00:42:08.119
that's when I'm more inclined to say, Okay, you may have you may

512
00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:16.599
be overshooting it, you know,
not fair enough. Well, I'm gonna

513
00:42:16.639 --> 00:42:22.519
go right in along with James.
There that a lot of people. You

514
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:24.199
know, First, A, you
have to shock of what you're seeing.

515
00:42:24.559 --> 00:42:30.559
You know, this is not something
you see every day. I'm not sure

516
00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:35.800
eventuate you know, but it's not
something you see every day. Most people,

517
00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:40.440
you know, do you know,
form a trauma overseeing something that they

518
00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:45.159
didn't think ever, you know,
was supposed to you know, be alive

519
00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:51.039
or be around. Generally with that
and I've seen this with with my job

520
00:42:51.159 --> 00:42:55.639
is people will exaggerate, you know
that, you know, they'll you know,

521
00:42:55.719 --> 00:43:00.159
when the creature may be you know
six, you know, maybe maybe

522
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:04.079
seven feet tall, they might say, hey, it was way big,

523
00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:06.800
it had to be you know,
ten, twelve feet tall. I do

524
00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:13.400
take a special consideration if the person's
a trained observer, if it's a police

525
00:43:13.400 --> 00:43:17.840
officer, if it's a somebody from
the military veteran. Those people are trained

526
00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:23.800
observers. They're they'll hopefully keep their
you know, keep their wits about them

527
00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:28.920
a little bit more and be able
to to establish, okay, this is

528
00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:32.039
what that that size was. But
I think for the general person off the

529
00:43:32.079 --> 00:43:37.760
street, that's that's going hiking and
you know, not expecting to see something,

530
00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:39.800
or they're driving down the road,
you know, a dark road in

531
00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:43.360
the middle of the night, you
know, kind of like what happened with

532
00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:45.880
my mom, you know, and
she sees this thing, you know,

533
00:43:46.199 --> 00:43:52.000
all hey, you know what it's
it's bigger than her, so it's it's

534
00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:57.000
going to be, oh my god, ten feet tall. The one We

535
00:43:57.039 --> 00:44:00.079
did have one report, and I
think you're familiar with this, but I

536
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:05.000
can't give too many details. This
was reported to us. So it's actually

537
00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:10.199
right down the road from my house, and the lady, who was a

538
00:44:10.239 --> 00:44:16.159
young girl at the time, saw
something staring in the window and behind her

539
00:44:16.280 --> 00:44:22.960
house. Its mountain and then it
goes into abandoned coal coal mining operation,

540
00:44:22.039 --> 00:44:25.599
which is they don't use it anymore. It's basically kids just you know,

541
00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:31.079
going out there and riding ATVs and
such. But whatever this was, she

542
00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:36.679
said, it was looking at her
window, and from the ground to that

543
00:44:36.760 --> 00:44:39.920
window which was which was in the
kitchen, was seven and a half feet

544
00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:45.280
tall. So unless this thing was
up on its toes, you know,

545
00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:50.199
you know, even if it was
up on its toes, it's still pretty

546
00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:53.639
darn big. So with something like
that, if you have a fixed object

547
00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:59.159
like that, a lot of people
use trees, you know. I think,

548
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:02.679
you know, that's a pretty good
reference point. Well from working at

549
00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:06.719
a convenience store. That's why they
have that little tape all the way around

550
00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:09.199
the thing that has sizes, so
that if you do get robbed or whatever,

551
00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:13.079
you could kind of look at it, kind of judge where the head

552
00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:17.159
is. Again an idea on what
their height is. Yep. Well,

553
00:45:17.199 --> 00:45:22.480
one of the things I was going
to add there with what you were saying

554
00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:28.199
so much, I think we have
to also delineate what people are experiencing,

555
00:45:28.239 --> 00:45:31.800
and so trace evidence that's left at
a certain height may not necessarily mean that's

556
00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:36.920
the height of the creature, that's
the area of the reach. And I

557
00:45:36.920 --> 00:45:42.480
think sometimes in the excitement, that
confusion may add a little bit of embellishment

558
00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:47.159
to the story. I mean,
not necessarily always, but you know,

559
00:45:47.199 --> 00:45:51.599
you see a handprint up thirteen feet
all of a sudden, My god,

560
00:45:51.639 --> 00:45:53.039
I say it was thirteen feet tall. Well maybe not. Hold on,

561
00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:57.039
Yeah, it could have just been
resting its hands up there. But even

562
00:45:57.039 --> 00:45:59.440
if that's the case, you're still
looking at something like eight to nine feet

563
00:45:59.480 --> 00:46:02.840
tall or more, or with a
pretty large reach. It's been a while

564
00:46:02.960 --> 00:46:07.199
since I got since I had to
go to the tailor, you know,

565
00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:10.679
to get fitted for for either uniforms
or uh, you know, a dress

566
00:46:10.719 --> 00:46:15.159
code or something. But I mean, my arms are well, I'll try

567
00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:19.079
to go back here. I mean, you know, on top of me

568
00:46:19.159 --> 00:46:22.480
being six to four, you know, I can raise that arm up pretty

569
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:27.800
high. And if I am something
that's you know used to you know,

570
00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:30.400
being with the trees. You know, if i'm if I'm going to use

571
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:35.280
that tree either as a tool to
hide or or some people claim that they

572
00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:38.239
that they do climb trees as well, or use the uh use the branches,

573
00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:42.280
you know. I mean, you
know, if you have something that's

574
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:45.559
six six and a half feet tall
and they raise that arm, that arm

575
00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:51.079
is gonna look really really big,
and especially if if it's a sasquatch arm

576
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:54.480
that's probably three four times the size
of mine. You know, in terms

577
00:46:54.519 --> 00:47:00.239
of what so massive appendage? Yeah, yeah, what we're gonna say,

578
00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:07.599
back ahead, that wasn't its arm. No, But the a's the thing

579
00:47:07.639 --> 00:47:10.800
you got to look at is is
that you know a lot of these situations

580
00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:15.400
where they say, well, it
shook my house or whatever. How do

581
00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:19.760
you know that's not a leaping arm? You know, like I'm I'm five

582
00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:22.280
eleven, but when I leap,
I'm six four. You know what I

583
00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:27.519
mean? You know, I think
I might be taller now, but I

584
00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:31.920
don't know not much. I thought
you were about six foot tall there,

585
00:47:32.280 --> 00:47:35.480
I thought you. Well, no, I mean, I mean when I

586
00:47:35.599 --> 00:47:38.119
leap. You know, I've not
seen you jump, so I can't.

587
00:47:38.159 --> 00:47:45.400
Really White men can't jump. It's
more of a reactionary jump. It's usually

588
00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:50.599
a backwards motion more than a Last
time I see you, I seen you

589
00:47:50.679 --> 00:47:52.960
react to something in terror. You
almost cut your leg off with a pruner.

590
00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:59.440
So he thought it was a snake, and instead of jumping and moving,

591
00:47:59.480 --> 00:48:01.920
he just takes as a blade and
just starts cutting away whatever's nearest.

592
00:48:02.039 --> 00:48:07.199
Like if it was a chainsaw,
he'd be one one appendage less. But

593
00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:14.400
am anyhow, that's neither here nor
there. The Pennsylvania, chainsaw dismemberment.

594
00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:20.599
Yeah, aguess these tories, you
know, permeate a lot of the Northern

595
00:48:20.599 --> 00:48:22.159
States. Canada. Man, you
know, when we go think about the

596
00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:28.400
Manitoba footage, Henry Bobby Clark man
Otoba footage from the early two thousands.

597
00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:31.559
They estimated that creature at about ten
feet tall. I believe, if my

598
00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:36.920
memory serves me correct, that was
the footage that was bought by a current

599
00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:38.920
affair. It was hot for a
good New York minute and then it was

600
00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:44.719
gone, and just as quick as
it it appeared, it didn't have long

601
00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:47.079
last day. It was really bad
quality though, was it not, Henry?

602
00:48:47.440 --> 00:48:52.360
Yeah, it was basically a blob
squad. I say, yeah,

603
00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:54.559
that was taken from a riverboat,
right or some sort of boat, and

604
00:48:54.639 --> 00:48:59.400
it was of a big foot walking
along the shoreline. I'm trying to remember

605
00:48:59.840 --> 00:49:01.920
that. But as just as we're
sitting here talking, I'm like, well,

606
00:49:01.960 --> 00:49:05.960
you know, that's again, you
know, potential evidence. But it

607
00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:08.400
was so poor quality you couldn't tell
what it was. But it was enough

608
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for a current affair to pay for
it. That's not saying much. I

609
00:49:13.719 --> 00:49:17.039
think they also tried to get al
Capone's tomb opened up a vault. I'm

610
00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:24.079
sorry, go ahead, Henry,
what were you going to say? Bud

611
00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:30.239
and Crida Fair also sit in the
next edition up there, trying to pull

612
00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:35.079
some information on that because you know, again, I think Bobby Clark also

613
00:49:35.159 --> 00:49:38.760
passed away. Not long then we
started talking about the the Bigfoot Curse.

614
00:49:38.840 --> 00:49:45.599
Remember that's another episode we should do
the Bigfoot Curse people dying. I'm trying

615
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:49.360
to. I'm just doing a quick
Google search here for the Foot to see

616
00:49:49.360 --> 00:49:53.000
if I could pop it up.
Yeah, you know, as sad as,

617
00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:58.639
I've been trying to go through and
find stories today for the episode,

618
00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:01.639
and it's it's difficult. I had
to get into books, guys. I

619
00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:07.519
had to get back into the books
and do some search in for this.

620
00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:10.400
There's another good book right here.
Bigfoot The True Stories of Apes in America

621
00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:15.400
by Lauren Coleman is one of my
top ten. All right, I mean

622
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:24.000
another story, but it there's it's
more of a fable, and if you

623
00:50:24.039 --> 00:50:30.280
ask any vet, especially anyone that
was deployed, you know it's a story.

624
00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:34.519
But they always talked about the Kandahar
Giant. Yeah, we did a

625
00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:40.960
whole episode on that. Yes,
yes, so, but apparently the story

626
00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:47.400
kind of comes out all throughout that
in Middle East and in parts of Asia

627
00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:54.360
particularly, you know, from Afghanistan
into Iran Pakistan, where you have these

628
00:50:54.519 --> 00:51:00.920
giants that live in these mountains.
It sounds like I said, ask but

629
00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:06.239
to them, you know, they
they consider them men and a lot of

630
00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:09.960
times they use tools, they may
be clothed, they look more human,

631
00:51:10.440 --> 00:51:15.280
although to me it almost sounds like
it's more of an alma, you know,

632
00:51:15.440 --> 00:51:19.440
than really anything else. Yeah,
you know, and Maine, there's

633
00:51:19.440 --> 00:51:22.079
stories of this, and you guys
can go into Lauren Coleman's book that we're

634
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:27.920
looking here at page twenty nine,
starts talking about some of the giants in

635
00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:31.920
May the st STrenD Do STrenD Do, which are cannibals. You know,

636
00:51:31.960 --> 00:51:36.679
a lot of these creatures that you
know, we consider to be sasquatch are

637
00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:42.800
fall under the cannibal giants a Native
American war and though their hair covered and

638
00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:47.639
they're considered, like you said,
Matt, more giant creatures or Indians people

639
00:51:47.719 --> 00:51:52.360
than they are of a man like
beast. And of course that sasquatch.

640
00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:57.079
That's yes, the pace and I'm
trying to find there was a there's a

641
00:51:57.159 --> 00:52:02.079
book I was reading that's not anything
having to do with Bigfoot. But it

642
00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:07.320
was called When Furr was King forty
years in the Hudson Bay Company, and

643
00:52:07.360 --> 00:52:15.480
it's written by Henry Moberly and it
basically it's a great book for somebody that

644
00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:21.400
that's into the backcountry and you know, going into the bush, and especially

645
00:52:21.440 --> 00:52:24.400
from from that time period. But
it's funny because there was a there was

646
00:52:24.440 --> 00:52:30.280
a part where I guess he was
him and somebody else were stranded in an

647
00:52:30.280 --> 00:52:35.000
area and the natives, and I
believe it was Cree, had told them

648
00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:40.599
to watch out because there was a
cannibal. And now they considered that person

649
00:52:40.719 --> 00:52:45.800
another native, another indigenous person,
but they said that there was a cannibal

650
00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:50.960
that was in that particular mountain range. They didn't have a contact with it,

651
00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:53.880
but they were told about it.
So that was kind of interesting as

652
00:52:53.920 --> 00:52:59.239
well. Oh is that when you
get the stories of go Ahead, James

653
00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:01.920
all under more of a wind to
go than a big But I mean,

654
00:53:02.599 --> 00:53:06.800
I always feel like when you talk
about some of the Native stories and some

655
00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:09.920
of these stories about don't you know, go to certain areas, they were

656
00:53:09.920 --> 00:53:14.719
more protected towards not getting you know, there was something important there. They

657
00:53:14.719 --> 00:53:20.559
didn't want them to bother, you
know, like or there was something there

658
00:53:20.639 --> 00:53:23.280
that that could have harmed them as
well. Right, But the worst movie

659
00:53:23.320 --> 00:53:27.880
I ever saw was The Village.
It wasn't made badly, but at the

660
00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:30.000
end just pissed me off. And
I can go into that for an hour,

661
00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:36.920
but like, you know, but
the fact is is that they created

662
00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:42.960
something to keep everybody in lie,
keep everybody in the village, keep everybody

663
00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:45.159
whatever. Because a lot of the
Native Americans and a lot of the Native

664
00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:50.440
tribes realized that if you went too
far from the village, other tribes could

665
00:53:50.599 --> 00:53:54.440
killed you. You know, your
your, your, your carnivore, your

666
00:53:54.519 --> 00:53:59.320
your, your savage was just another
tribe. And if you went too far,

667
00:53:59.840 --> 00:54:01.679
you know, kind of like you
know, if we if you're you

668
00:54:01.719 --> 00:54:06.079
know, go from one country to
another, you know, by accident,

669
00:54:06.159 --> 00:54:09.039
you know, you could be killed
because you don't belong there. And I

670
00:54:09.039 --> 00:54:13.519
think some of these stories are originated
the same way. It was, Hey,

671
00:54:13.559 --> 00:54:17.440
don't go past this ridge because that's
not our area and it's something safe.

672
00:54:17.599 --> 00:54:20.360
And then a kid are like,
well, I'm a big man.

673
00:54:20.440 --> 00:54:22.760
No, no, no, it's
a spirit you know, just don't you

674
00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:27.000
know. The one thing is is
that when you look at the wind to

675
00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:32.199
go, the wind to go,
you know, depending on which tribe and

676
00:54:32.239 --> 00:54:38.719
which uh you know, which uh
folklore you listen to, some of them

677
00:54:39.199 --> 00:54:49.239
are this tall lanky you know creature
and what we're talking about today, especially

678
00:54:49.280 --> 00:54:53.920
with some of the signings that they've
had, particularly in in northwest Canada,

679
00:54:54.239 --> 00:54:59.400
are these tall lanky bigfoots. So
is there a correlation between the wind to

680
00:54:59.440 --> 00:55:04.679
go? And maybe they had seen
them generations ago and they're using that as

681
00:55:04.679 --> 00:55:09.440
a model to scare the uh,
you know, the youth not to stray

682
00:55:09.480 --> 00:55:13.960
away from the tribe. Well,
I'll tell you what. We'll get a

683
00:55:13.960 --> 00:55:16.840
wind to go guy on here and
we'll talk about that, get a little

684
00:55:16.880 --> 00:55:22.719
delineation and help educate us not so
educated on the native mythos of Sasquatch and

685
00:55:22.920 --> 00:55:25.880
you know which way we should be
shame on us. But we'll get an

686
00:55:25.920 --> 00:55:30.679
expert on here to help talk to
us through the differences on that on an

687
00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:36.000
upcoming program, because I think that'd
be fun for everyone, folks. That's

688
00:55:36.039 --> 00:55:38.159
time for tonight, ten o'clock.
I maan that hour flew and we were

689
00:55:38.239 --> 00:55:43.480
just again glanceing over things. I'd
like to thank you all for bearing with

690
00:55:43.519 --> 00:55:47.039
us with the little technical difficulties tonight. Internet connection is a little tough,

691
00:55:47.079 --> 00:55:51.719
but we were able to rebound on
behalf of Vance. Thank you. Vance

692
00:55:51.800 --> 00:55:54.719
was having, as as you can
tell moments, a very difficult time tonight

693
00:55:54.840 --> 00:55:59.920
getting things together, but he sends
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694
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