EP 93: Shane Corson of The Olympic Project

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The views and opinions expressed by the
guests of Sasquatch Experience do not necessarily reflect

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the opinion of the host, sponsors, or affiliates of the Sasquatch Experience.

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As always, listener discretion is advised. We got someone or something growing around

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out here? Does a legend walk
among us working in the forests of our

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world? Did you see what it
was? Was it a person or an

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animal? Or I can't go?
Oh, I know as if my thunder

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light came on and I get happen
to glimp and see this thing running across

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the yard, A good fight man
or something works like a man. I

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don't know what it was. For
over fifteen years, we've talked with scientists,

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researchers, investigators, and witnesses trying
to gain insight and proof around the

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existence of this mysterious entity. Jesus
up, Hello, get somebody out here.

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What's going to announce? There's an
able bits about six foot nine?

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I don't know, easy announce there. Yeah, I'm booking right o.

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Oh, okay, hand on,
yeah, got you're big? Okay,

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what's you do in your yard?
Join us as we continue into the investigation

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of the Sasquatch Experience. Well,
good evening, everyone, Welcome to the

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Sasquatch Experience for Monday, February fifth, twenty twenty four, February. Already,

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guys, if you can believe that
we're one month down, eleven more

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to go, it's crazy, but
we've got a great show tonight with a

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great guest, mister Shane Corson from
the Pacific Northwest, the Olympic Project.

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Super excited to have him on the
show. But before we jump in,

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of course, our typical housekeeping.
We were off last week, Thank you

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everybody for giving me a little bit
of a reprieve. Forker was down and

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out. I just needed a week
to recover. I think everybody's had their

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fill of whatever it is is going
around. So we're back this week better

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than ever, ready to kick some
ass and talk some sasquatch. And it

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doesn't get any better than this crew
here tonight. Baker, Matt, Henry,

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Vance, Shane. Good evening,
guys. We're gonna go right into

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it now. Housekeeping notes. I
don't think we had anything major to talk

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about, besides, of course,
becoming a Patreon supporter for a little less

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gentlemen, get those fingers ready two
dollars a month. You can support us,

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get some extras and have a great
time. But and Vance faded into

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oblivion already. But that's okay,
he'll be back right after this. Shane,

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thanks so much for joining us tonight. As we said right before we

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came on, we followed each other
for years. It's the first time we've

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actually engaged and interacted in a real
time setting. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely

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been following you for years, following
the show for years and not my pleasure

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being here. Thanks, thank you
so much for the invite, and folks,

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if you don't know Shane, shame
on you. But Shane was born

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in Scotland moved to San Diego,
California, when he was a teen.

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He's always been an avid outdoorsman and
adventure at heart and interested in discovering new

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things. In nineteen ninety seven,
he started doing field research on the subject

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of Bigfoot and spoke with eyewitnesses who
had possible encounters, primarily in the San

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Bernardino Mountains, Yosemite, and northern
California. He moved to Oregon in two

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thousand and eight and continues his research
there, and in twenty eleven his research

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became all too real when he had
his own counter. His passion and methodology,

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along with his ambitions of furthering the
research, eventually led him to becoming

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a proud member of the Olympic Project, of course, which we'll also talk

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tonight, talk about tonight. So
on that. You know, again,

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just thanks for coming in and let's
get this go show going. Guys.

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So you started in nineteen ninety seven, Shit, what was your impetus to

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get into all this? It's about
the time I started really getting into the

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you know, foray myself. Yeah, you know, you know, while

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I was in Scotland, I was
very interested in grew up kind of interested

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in paleontology generally, and you know, dinosaurs and whatnot. My mom at

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the time got me even more enthused
with the unknown, specifically you know,

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cryptids of all sorts of you know, shapes and sizes. The Lostness Monster

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obviously was a big one, having
you know, living in Scotland, that

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was one that intrigued me. But
I was very intrigued with the yetty Sassquatch

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and matam or i rope in all
these different cryptids. But I always had

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this this epitome for sasquatch. I
just thought, man, you know,

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the Patterson Gimlan film route. That
was real to me, and I started

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watching TV shows and all that,
and that that kind of launched me,

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you know, between reading books and
the usual, the usual spiel you here

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from a lot of investigators and researchers. But I just I had a real

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passion for all that dinosaurs. And
I used to write when I lived in

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Isla, which is a small island
off the west coast of Scotland. I'd

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write, you know, before the
Internet and all that, I actually write

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a physical letter to paleontologist in Glasgow
and in Edinburgh, Scotland, Mainland,

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Scotland, and I'd get their feedback. And so it just, uh that

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palintology really got me into this,
and then going further forward, just looking

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at well some of the animals cryptives
that that have known to existed in the

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past, that maybe they're they're still
alive in these remote regions, and then

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the things that we're not aware of
that might might be out there. And

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so when we eventually to southern California, my entregu picked up and picked up

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and you know, I graduated high
school in ninety seven and I you know,

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it's really when I, you know, got my own vehicle and was

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able to travel up and down southern
California all the way up to northern California,

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fell in love with places like San
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the Los Angeles National Forest, the
deserts areas, and Yosemite. When I

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eventually got up to Yusementy, I
was absolutely blown away. I mean just

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blown away. And that really got
me camping exploring. I did a lot

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of remote backpacking, solo camping,
solo hiking, and kind of talked to

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a few witnesses here and there.
Never never never found anything of interest.

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And then met my wife and moved
up to Oregon where she's from, in

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two thousand and eight, and then
I thought, man, I'm in the

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Mecca. So that's kind of kind
of launched me. I never had this

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initial experience or anything. I was
just very intrigued that there's a possibility of

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this unknown, you know, this
unknown anti disasquatch out there. Make it

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more real for you after you had
your first investigation, like you first met

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a witness and you're like, man, you know what this is. There's

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something about it translating from a page
to going to meet an actual person who's

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had to encounter absolutely, because up
until then, I, you know,

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it was mainly reading books, watching
TV, watching all these investigators or different

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investigators and listening to that stuff and
observing and reading things. But when I

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talked to the first individual that claimed
to have an encounter at that time,

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you know, I was, I
was very skeptical still, but I thought,

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well, you know, the first
witness I ever you know, and

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it wasn't even set up that way. It's just something that relays a story

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to me. I wow, Why
would they make that up? Why would

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they lie? It doesn't sound like
a bear or anything like that. Why

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it doesn't sound like a mistake.
They saw what they saw. And I

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said, well, you know,
it kind of pushes you more towards you

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know, Okay, maybe maybe there's
something to this. You're not quite there,

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you know, so it really did
you really just kind of give me

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a kick in the butt to Okay, you got to talk to more people,

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and you need to really get out
in the woods in the field more

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and more. You're not going to
really do it from home. You need

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to be kind of an adventurer and
get out there and in the worst case

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scenario is you just said, you
know, get to see nature and witness

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the beauty of the stuff out there, and that's you know, it led

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me a lot of directions just you
know, getting out there and camping and

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experiencing and then also just getting better
to everything you do, camping, exploring,

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talking to witnesses. It's kind of
an arts you know, and so

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yeah, definitely, yeah, no, I mean, I completely agree with

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everything you just said there. I
think one thing that I found is that,

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you know, doing the investigating actually
helped me in my career. You

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know, going out talking to people, becoming open and vulnerable with people,

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getting to understand and listening made a
big difference. So kind of the adverse.

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Instead of taking those skills I learned
on the job, I took them

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from the field and put them on
the job. Which but like you said,

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even if nothing's going on, it's
still a great adventure, right You're

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getting out in nature, you're getting
out and your learning. And I think,

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Matt, I'll kick it to you
because I know, you know,

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the outdoors is really you know,
your your forte. You and I have

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had maybe not some of the most
exciting bigfoot adventures, but we've had some

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great wilderness adventures. Oh absolutely,
And but comparing the where we're at in

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the Appalachian Mountains compared to the Pacific
Northwest, it's I mean, that's that's

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our dream, you know, for
myself, Sean James, to get out

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to the to the PNW, the
Olympic Peninsula and really do some research out

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there. But we're we're really cutting
our teeth though with the with the research

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that we're doing here in the Apple
Agias and particularly in your central Pennsylvania in

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the you know, at that mountain
region. But one thing that that really

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intrauced me. Did you were you
self taught with your you know, with

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your backpacking, your outdoor experience or
did you have people that you looked up

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to in regards to that, because
I'll tell you and you know, just

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saying from watching the videos, Shane, you are an outstanding outdoors person.

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Like seriously, we would we would
love to take you out of a backpack

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adventure with you. But it was
this something that you kind of taught yourself

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for. Did you have mentors along
the way? You know, I wish

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I could say I had a mentor, you know, my dad took me.

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It's not a sob story. I
love my dad did that. They

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took me fishing one time and I
fell in love with fishing, and that

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really kind of sparked my tress because
where we were fishing in this little island

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on Scotland, it's remote, there's
no houses around, and so I started

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even then getting out and learning how
to camp. You know, the area

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I lived in Scotland is very reminiscent
of the Severn Northwest. It's raining nine

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months out of the year. There's
not as many trees, but you have

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hills and glens and locks of lochs
or lakes, and so I just I

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started picking up there on the island. We only had one poisonous snake.

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There's really no predators there, lots
of red deer. So it was just

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I was self taught. Moved to
California, and I had no idea,

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you know, I'm in totally new
environment. But I just eventually start picking

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up and buying equipment as far as
tents, learning about the tents, learning

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about the different seasons. And I
used to start on small trips and then

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I'd get further and further in braver
and braver, you know, because I'd

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never been around mountain lion or bear
or any of those animals, and let

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alone a lot of weird people which
I bumped in for over the years.

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You know, I do carry a
weapon with me, but you know,

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it's not for the animals per ses. It's actually grow up in California,

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there was a lot of weird people. I've bummed into some weird spots.

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Yeah, you know, and I've
been in a couple of situations in my

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life where I'm like, I was
glad I was I had that little sucker

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on the side of my hip.
So but yeah, as far as that's

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concerned, Yeah, and between all
the stuff I've learned over the years camping

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and just gaining experience. You know, it's whether you're out in the woods

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or you're you're camping, it's the
fundamental of science to me, is I

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mean, the absolute platform. The
foundation of science is observation. Nobody,

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nobody was born a scientist. You
know, you look at the beginnings of

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mankind. Somebody had to observe something
over time and time and time again to

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get to a point where they were
so knowledgeable they could teach people something.

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And so whether it's being out in
the wild or learning about my what gear

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I need where I'm not camping,
what to prepared for weather wise, what

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animals could have bumped into, what
scenarios I could bump into. I just

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constantly observed and observed, trial and
tested, and I appreciate the kind of

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remarks their mark, but you know, I it was I wasn't born a

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camper or experienced outdoorsman, and I
said market it, Matt, excuse me

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my apologies, but yeah, so
I it just it was trial and error,

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and then, you know, I
think I'm a fairly decent outdoorsman.

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I'm a fairly good hunter. I
think I'm a fairly good observer, and

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you know, but I encourage people, you know, you don't have to

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have a mentor you don't have you
know, just within reason when you're out

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in the woods or whatever, just
be careful, but test things out and

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start out small, and then eventually
maybe you'll get to that point where you're

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just you'd rather be outdoors and indoors. Yep, like me, absolutely so.

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Shane and Lebayou had said you had
an experience of your own. Tell

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us a little bit about your experience. Did you have a visual encounter,

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did you have a what they would
call it class be encounter. Tell us

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a little bit about what happened to
you and and that that event. Yeah,

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absolutely, so let me a little
bit. So. I had been

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doing what I called research at the
time prior to this experience, what I

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called research. Later on I would
realize that it wasn't really solid research.

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It was just it wasn't good enough. But so this particular trip was,

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as I stated before, I'm an
avid fisherman and I love fishing. And

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moving up to Oregon, you know, I never, you know, hadn't

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done a whole lot of steelhead fishing
or high mountain It's definitely high mountain fishing.

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And this area two buddies and I
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spending three to four days out in
this area mount Hood National Forest, and

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we had hiked out to this area, made our base camp around this lake,

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and you know, Sasquatch wasn't even
really in it. I wanted to

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fish. These guys were fishermen,
and we went out to this area,

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made our base camp at a lake
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homestead for the three to four days. We went hiking. We got lost.

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We hiked about seventeen miles that day
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It's the only time I've actually really
been lost in the woods. New area

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made them a big mistake going up
direction, not really having our points down

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of how to get to and fro. But that plays a huge role into

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why I think we had this two
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The second night, I did actually
have a sighting, but we get

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lost. We come back to our
camp eventually make it back before dark and

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we set up, you know,
a fire, make food. We talk

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about our plans the following day,
which lakes we're gonna go to. There's

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multiple lakes in this area with you
know, cut throats, rainbow trouts,

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and brook trout. That's mainly what
you see up in this area. Beautiful

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not huge fish, but beautiful and
great tasting, you know. So that

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night, you know, we called
quits about eleven thirty. We go to

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bed. We already had made plans. Like I said, there was three

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of us around this lake. We
had kind of positioned ourselves right next to

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this lake. There was a bunch
of skunk cabbage down below us. We

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had a little bit of a hill
to the east of us, and with

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bet about Lemon thirty. Around one
thirty or two in the morning, I

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hear and our tents were kind of
in a triangular formation. My buddy Mitch

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was next to the lake. I'm
kind of at the point near this game

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trail, and my other buddy was
next to like this little hillside. And

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one three, two in the morning, I hear what sounds like two rocks

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being clacked together coming from a distance. But it's getting closer and closer.

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And this area is so dead quiet
at night. You know, you have

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elkin this area, you have bear
mountain, lion, deer, grouse,

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rack, everything. I mean,
just a ton of animals, but at

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night time it's dead quiet. There
is a frog pond about a couple of

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hundred yards from here, but you
couldn't hear them. The lake had no

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noise, and we're in this kind
of this valley with a big rock slide

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on the other side of the lake. So I'm hearing this noise and my

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buddy Mitch whispers over to me,
Shane, are you awake? And I

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said, yeah, I'm awake.
Do you hear that? And he goes

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yeah, and we're like, what
is it? I have no idea.

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It's getting closer and closer, and
then it stops and it was repetitive,

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just and we hear movement and it
sounded large. I couldn't you know,

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could have been bipedal, could have
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But it was large and it was
breaking branches. And at the time,

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I'm thinking, is it is this
thing breaking branches on the ground. Is

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it hitting branches on a tree?
I couldn't really tell, but I assumed

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it was walking around, you know, thirty forty fifty feet from our tent

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in the woods circling us. And
then that went on for a couple of

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minutes, and we're just listening and
my buddy Ian, the third guy,

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was asleep. He was snoring away. He didn't hear any of this and

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this thing. Eventually hear the clacking
again and it goes away, you know,

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the same direction I believe that it
came in from. And it was

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gone. That was it. So
go back to sleep. Next morning,

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Mitch and I are kind of talking
about it. Our buddy Ian, who

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you know, he's definitely a he's
from Boston, he's not an outdoorsman or

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wasn't definitely afraid of bear. When
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He he actually had a pot and
pan in the back of his backpack

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and he would clank that every once
in a while while we were lost.

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The first day before he you know, made it back to our camp and

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we tell him, we told him
to knock it off because it just got

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annoying. We're up, you know, we're all packing and there were sign

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of bear. We saw bear scrapes
up there and stuff. But there's black

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bear everywhere up there. And you
see, I mean, almost every trip

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out there, you're going to see
a black bear guaranteed. But so he

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didn't hear this, and this thing
takes off, and so next morning we

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wake up and Mitch and I are
talking about it, and we're like,

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well, what do you think it
was? And I had no idea.

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I had never heard anything like that
in the woods. I didn't know.

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I didn't know. I'm trying to
rationalize it. Could it be elk antlers

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or deers doing something. Could it
be a raccoon? No idea, And

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so we kind of brushed that aside, and then we went out hiking to

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these other lakes are a couple of
miles away, fished a couple of the

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lakes caught our fish. We came
back to camp after a long day with

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the idea of going back out to
some other lakes in this area the following

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day. And we did the same
thing. You know, we come back

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to camp, we cook some fish, we build a fire, we're talking

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about our plans, and we go
back to bed at the same time,

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about eleven thirty that night. No
drinking. You know, there wasn't any

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boos involved on this trip. I'd
enjoy a beer while camping. We didn't,

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you know, we were quite a
ways out, so we didn't bring

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anything like that. I don't I
don't smoke anything like that or and so

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I mean, I don't do anything
like that. So I'm just saying,

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clear frame of mind, very tired
from the hike. But my buddy Ian,

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like I said, was really afraid
of bears. So Hugh, every

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night he would build a huge fire, like obnoxious fire, to let it

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burn as long as it could so
he could sleep, And he did the

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first night and the second night because
we were talking about this thing, you

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know, clacking or whatever it was
doing. He didn't know if we were

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messing with him or if there was
something there, so He built a big

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fire that night and we all go
to bed about eleven thirty. Same time

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in the morning, between like one
thirty and two in the morning, I

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hear that noise again, and it's
come in the stand from the same direction,

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and it's it's consistent. It's getting
closer and closer. And once again,

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my buddy Mitch, from his tent
a few feet away, goes,

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it's you wait, Shane, and
I said yeah. He said it's back.

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I said, yeah, weird.
And we're listening and listening. It

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does the same thing. It gets
close to our camp and I hear movement

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and it's just step step step,
break, break, break, But this

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time there's a lot more going on. He's hearing something to his to his

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left. I'm hearing something to my
right, and I'm thinking, as we're

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whispering back and forth, could there
be two of whatever this this is?

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And it's just it's this time it
sounds a lot more animated in the woods,

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a lot noisier. Well that stops, I mean the movement stops,

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and I'm sitting there in my tent. I'm on my back and I'm just

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listening, listening, and off to
up on this hill above my buddy Ian's

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tent. I hear, we all
heard this. It woke en up.

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He's a dead sleeper, but this
woke him up. Damn. Five of

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the most powerful knocks you can imagine
that, you know, power knock,

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whatever you want to call it,
very heavy percus against the tree. That

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it shook the ground in our tents
and the undergrowth up there in this mount

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Hood and Mount Hood and a lot
of the mountains up here. It could

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be Mount Adams or Mount Saint Helens
or whatever. This was of course Oregon,

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so I'm talking about Mount Hood,
but there's so many roots and stuff,

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so you could actually hear somebody coming
down a trail if they were coming

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down to chokes that kind of vibrates. Well, this was so powerful.

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I mean it not only shook the
ground, but you could hear it echo

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off this rock facing on the other
side of the lake. It would just

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echo back. And there was five
of them. I mean, now,

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my heart's in my head. This
was powerful and it's dead quiet outside.

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Ian, who was asleep, was
now awake, freaking out. He didn't

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know what it was. We're all
kind of like whispering, and I just

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told him shut up. You know, be quite, be quiet, It'll

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be okay. And up from this
hill. After that, those knocks were

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done, and this is I couldn't
even tell you. Twenty seconds later,

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I hear something coming through the trees
above our camp and I hear it hitting

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branches, and then I hear this
huge thud next to my buddy. Mitch's

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tanton was next to all the skunk
cabbage, next to the lake, and

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there was a big mud muddy area
next to his tent. And instantly Mitch

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goes, Jan, you know what
that was, right, And I said,

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yeah, that was a rock.
It had to been a rock.

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This only thing would travel like that
arc come down and make that sud noise.

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Well, now we're all, you
know, kind of quite. My

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buddy Ian's freaking out. He's absolutely
freaking out, and I know he's sprayed

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of bears, and he he had
a weapon on him, and he had

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no business having a weapon on him. And it was my mistake because I'd

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given him one. I didn't give
him. I give him a nine millimeter

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but the only other weapon I had
on me at the time, which was

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a mistake. I mean, I
admit that she'd never give him. The

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guy a weapon, knowing that he
didn't know how to use it. It

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was just more of a you know, we'll take care of anything happens.

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You don't need to pull that out. But I'm thinking this guy's gonna come

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out blast and he's freaking out,
so I'm gonna go over his tent get

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the gun from calm him down.
But as you know, I ZiT my

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tent and I'm looking around and I
really didn't want to get out of my

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tent. I was. I remember, and I tell people this all the

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time, if there was a vocal
maid, I never would have heard it

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because the amount of pressure my head
from my heart beating was just I zipped

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my tent. I'm looking around and
I'm hoping I don't see anything, and

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I do. I see something I
don't know three feet from my tent behind

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a tree. And what I see
is it's a large dug fir tree,

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I mean very large old growth doug
fir tree next to a game trail.

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And I see behind the tree,
I see a hand, an arm,

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and a shoulder, and every once
in a while I see the thing kind

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of do this sway back and forth
from the tree, and it's big it's

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large, it's hairy. I couldn't
see a whole lot of detail. I

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could just see the fingers. I
could see, you know, I can

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see the hand. I can see
the arm and the shoulder, and it

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just swaying back and forth behind this
tree. And I didn't know if it

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was looking at me per se,
but what I knew was that it probably

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had. I mean, I tried
to ZiT that tent so quietly, but

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this lasted mere seconds, and it
dropped its hand to its side, and

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it turned away from the tree and
then walked up this little game trail and

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then disappeared. And I'm sitting there. I never got out of my tent,

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sitting there, sitting there, I
hit my tent back up. Everybody's

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kind of quiet right now listening.
And that was the only other thing that

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happened. That was it. That
night. We all kind of stay in

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our tents. As soon as daylight
hit, we just literally collectively packed up

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our stuff and got the heck out
of there. We were supposed to be

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there another year or two, but
this was something none of us had ever

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experienced. You know, I guess
it's wow reflecting on it at the time,

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you know, it's a dream.
That's what you want. You know.

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Nowadays, I hope for that's to
happen. Back then, I was

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like, hell, no, I'm
out of here. This is scary.

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This thing came back two nights in
a row, and there's a reason for

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it. And you know, reflecting
on that now, I'm pretty sure us

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getting lost. We were lost up
on this hill, this mountain, which

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was above the lake, and we
were off trail lost. We were yelling

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at each other or making noise.
We're going off trail. We're seeing bear

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sign which at the time i'd have
been Sasquatch signed. I don't know,

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but we're urinating, you know,
and I think we disturbed something up there

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that two nights in a row.
It came back. First night, it's

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like, yeah, you guys need
to get out of here. I'm show

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my presence. And then the second
I came back and it was even you

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know, maybe two of them,
I don't know, but it came back

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and it it maybe it's attention was
to get us out of there, and

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if it was, it worked because
we got out of there, right.

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So wow, what that did for
me? You know, you know,

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I know everybody wants to hear about
calendies and stuff like that. I kind

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of get sick of talking about because
I don't want that to define me.

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I wasn't out bigfooting. It taught
me a lot of stuff. After months

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and months researching that area, I
found a lot of that that area was

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actually there was a lot of signings
in the area, but they weren't on

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your BFO. They weren't on any
website. They were like camping forms and

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hiking forms. And there was an
AR fifteen forum that I just happened to

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find searching the name of these lakes, and there's a you know, I

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don't like to comment on this,
I don't have an opinion, but there

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was a there's a missing guy from
that very area that was missing the same

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months, and this happened in obviously
twenty eleven. My enden counter there's a

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missing guy from this area a year
prior and he went missing under mysterious circumstances.

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But there was father and a girl
fishing in this area that had been

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chased out, supposedly by a sasquatch, and they had posted this on an

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AR fifteen form. So I just
started buying all this stuff. I'm like,

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here I am, you know,
so called investigator. I'm out fishing

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and I have this encounter. I
wasn't out knocking, I wasn't out screaming

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or yelling or none of that stuff, just being an average person doing average

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things and had an encounter. And
that really that encounter there, that sighting

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not only solidified sasquatch exist for me, but then after really going through the

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whole everything that transpired, I said, well, what were you doing?

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So I got lost and we got
lost. Maybe we brought something in,

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but we weren't out, you know, knocking and screaming, and we weren't

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doing anything that would be people would
call bigfoot research nowadays, and that really

408
00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:56.119
shaped my approach after that. You
know, I do do knocks occasionally,

409
00:26:56.160 --> 00:27:00.160
and I do calls, but very
very rarely. I just my key is

410
00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:03.480
to get off trail, make myself
known, and I love going to remote

411
00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:07.680
areas to camp and maybe something will
come check me out. Nowadays, I

412
00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:11.720
have recorders, I have therms.
I'm much better prepared to it. I

413
00:27:11.759 --> 00:27:15.640
ever get that, which I hope
for, and I've had some cool stuff

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00:27:15.680 --> 00:27:21.480
happen over the years and come very
close and seeing things through therms recorded a

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00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:25.400
ton of audio. That's my approach
now, and that sighting really propelled me

416
00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:29.599
in that direction. And it also
propelled me that I realized that this is

417
00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:33.279
not a one man band sort of
thing. I needed to work with other

418
00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:36.519
le I'm not going to do this
myself. First of all, I'm kind

419
00:27:36.519 --> 00:27:38.279
of a transplant in the area.
There's people who've been out there doing a

420
00:27:38.319 --> 00:27:42.720
lot longer than I have that are
smarter, better outdoorsmen outdoors women. So

421
00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:47.160
that's kind of what led me to
get a hold of like Cliff Barrickman,

422
00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:51.480
which I did early on, and
then eventually lead me to meet Derek randallsing

423
00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:53.680
involved with the Limbic project. Well, Shane, I have to tell you

424
00:27:53.759 --> 00:27:59.799
there's a lot of similarities between your
encounter and mine that I had, which

425
00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:03.680
I'd love to talk about in depth. You know, maybe not on this

426
00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:07.799
particular show, but you gave me
goosebumps with your retelling, and I think

427
00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:12.039
Matt could understand, because you know, we're drawing so many comparisons between our

428
00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:15.960
separate events, it's just unreal.
We're going to take our break here real

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00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:18.880
quick, folks. We'll be back. We've got the big Foot bullhorn here

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00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:23.240
from our good friend and announcer vance
Nesbitt. We'll see you on the flip

431
00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:36.039
side. Right after this new steam
a Symbi, I did have an opportunity

432
00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:40.480
to go on a safari which was
unbelievable. It was breathtaking. How bad

433
00:28:40.480 --> 00:28:45.000
the wi fi was. I went
on a safari, which is just a

434
00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:49.920
fancy word for animal stalking, because
that's what you do on a safari,

435
00:28:51.000 --> 00:29:00.839
You follow animals and watch them.
You are beautiful. Ah, yes,

436
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:07.720
Jim Gaff again, Well he's not
the bigfoot you were looking for. This

437
00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:14.119
is the Bigfoot Bullhorn exclusively on the
Sasquatch experience and a happy Monday night to

438
00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:21.119
you. And speaking of safari,
in Virginia, there is a mysterious cryptid

439
00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:26.680
bigfoot and has been sighted by sailors
and civilians on the Turtle Park trail on

440
00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:33.119
board Naval Station Norfolk since two thousand
and six. The beast is said to

441
00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:37.359
be eight to nine feet tall,
covered in dark brown hair, and has

442
00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:42.240
glowing eyes. So was there a
creature really sighted by sailors on board NAFSTA

443
00:29:42.359 --> 00:29:48.039
Norfolk? Is there really a giant
ape man lurking in the wooded areas on

444
00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:52.279
the base While there is a Bigfoot
on the base. The one here is

445
00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:57.279
in mobile and made of wood,
foam and chicken wire. The Bigfoot statue

446
00:29:57.319 --> 00:30:04.319
along the trail system it is is
the brainchild of Dale Hastings Air Operations Department

447
00:30:04.359 --> 00:30:11.559
Communications branch head and Joseph Joe Krider, Air Operations Department Work Center Leader,

448
00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:18.079
who both work onboard Naval Station Norfolk. And it has a history just as

449
00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:23.640
interesting as the real thing. It
was my ideas, said Hastings, when

450
00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:27.079
I first got here there were no
real trails, and I used to walk

451
00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:32.079
in the woods a bunch. I
told Joe one day, hey be kind

452
00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:34.160
of neat if we put a bigfoot
and just hit it in the woods.

453
00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:38.519
It came about and Joe said,
I'll make the head and you make the

454
00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:44.680
body. After they had put their
idea together, Hastings and Crider would pull

455
00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:49.799
their personal resources to build the beast. The original statue was built and brought

456
00:30:49.839 --> 00:30:55.240
to the installation back in two thousand
and six by the duo and placed it

457
00:30:55.279 --> 00:31:00.519
on the original Turtle Park trail.
The trail was originally a small a walking

458
00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:04.640
path consisting of a cleared area and
a metal bridge built to keep people off

459
00:31:04.759 --> 00:31:11.519
road when crossing parts of the base. However, the duo expanded it to

460
00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:15.200
a four hundred meter trail. It
sat on the trail for several years,

461
00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:21.119
but during that time Kreider cleared more
areas of the trail to make it easier

462
00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:26.400
to hike back towards the statue.
However, tragedy struck the original statue as

463
00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:33.559
termites consumed its body. Taking the
remaining head, the duo created a new

464
00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:37.559
body for the creature after a decade
of work. The Turtle Park Trail,

465
00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:45.680
also informally known as the Bigfoot Trail, encompasses two miles a path and keeps

466
00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:49.599
clear through the volunteer work of Krider. In addition to Bigfoot, the duo

467
00:31:49.720 --> 00:31:55.920
added many other colorful critters to the
trails. These beasts can be found along

468
00:31:55.960 --> 00:32:01.160
the trail and include shoopacabra, a
woodpecker, a giant gopher, a troll,

469
00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:07.079
and a swamp creature. However,
among these, Bigfoot remains the most

470
00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:14.039
popular. Coming up after the break, keep those wallets flexible and those veins

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pumping for the month of February.
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Thanks again for listening to this edition
of the big footbull Horn right here on

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the Sasquatch Experience, and as always
at come on, everybody, keep your

495
00:35:01.800 --> 00:35:15.800
toe in the mind. Thanks Vance
for that nice little segment. They're Bigfoot

496
00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:19.000
Bullhorn folks. Guys, got a
lot of events coming up that you'll be

497
00:35:19.039 --> 00:35:22.719
able to come see us at.
Will be at the pen Ohio Paranormal Conference

498
00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:27.639
on March thirtieth and Hermitage, PA. You'll be able to meet at least

499
00:35:27.639 --> 00:35:30.880
me and Baker there and who else
is coming. Then we'll be at the

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00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:37.679
Ohio Bigfoot Conference on May fourth and
Salt Fork State Park and Cambridge, Ohio,

501
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:39.840
and then we'll be at the Small
Town Monsters Fest at the end of

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00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:44.599
June. They're in Canton, Ohio. So those are the events. Come

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00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:47.480
see us at go to those events, get your tickets, help support these

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00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:52.000
these great conferences so they keep going
so we can get the word out.

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00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:54.119
You know, the more people that
come to these events, the better the

506
00:35:54.159 --> 00:35:58.559
awareness for what we do, the
more information we get, and they're just

507
00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:00.039
an all around good time. So, folks, if you joined us,

508
00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:05.599
just now welcome the Sasquatch Experience.
I'm Sean Forker, That's James Baker,

509
00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:08.480
Henry May, Matt Arner, Vince
has been our guest tonight, Shane Corson

510
00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:13.400
and in just one second I'll have
everybody's names back up because that's what we

511
00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:19.079
do here. See, it's the
magic of live streaming right there, Henry,

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00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:22.079
Henry, you wanted to go ahead
and bring us back after that break,

513
00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:27.119
so let's get her done, buddy. Yeah, I just wanted to

514
00:36:27.159 --> 00:36:31.679
ask Shane. I know about the
nests obviously, nest you guys, and

515
00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:39.880
that we're found by the individual out
there now when the photos were taken of

516
00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:46.000
Cliff and the nest, have the
DNA already been collected. No not,

517
00:36:46.119 --> 00:36:50.639
but we didn't. We didn't collect
So let me prepas this with this.

518
00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:52.440
When Clip late in that nest,
a lot of people I'll get a lot

519
00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:55.639
of plaque for this. They're like, oh, you know you said it

520
00:36:55.639 --> 00:36:59.199
was made a hucklebery looks like a
bunch of dead stuff. Well, yeah,

521
00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:01.480
Clip late that over a year and
a half later, the brush in

522
00:37:01.559 --> 00:37:05.960
that, I mean the nests itself, the huckleberry leaves had long decayed and

523
00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:09.280
died, and the nest that he
laiden was massive even when he laid in,

524
00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:13.239
but it was it didn't look like
anything like it was originally found to

525
00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:16.199
look like. And then to answer
your question, that nest, we never

526
00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:21.000
took any samples up because it was
contaminated. You know, I'll say a

527
00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:23.800
guy, we have to date twenty
four nests that we have discovered, twenty

528
00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:29.159
four and so we only took samples
out of three or four I think I

529
00:37:29.199 --> 00:37:32.199
think four nests. So none of
those nests had been touched or handled.

530
00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:37.800
They were completely left alone for that
purpose. So, yeah, the nest

531
00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:42.559
that Cliff laid in, it wasn't
a ness we took samples from. Okay,

532
00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:45.440
yeah, great, question because a
lot of people think, oh,

533
00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:49.719
we guys laid in these nests,
but I don't think they realized that there

534
00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:53.039
was at that time, there was
only twenty three nests discovered, right,

535
00:37:54.800 --> 00:38:05.440
Yeah, I hope so there won't
any tainted samples afterwards. Fine, let's

536
00:38:05.480 --> 00:38:09.239
confuse people. Yeah, let's confuse
Yeah. I mean, hey, Shane,

537
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:14.320
I want to add on to that
because we had a conversation with Eli

538
00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:21.320
Watson a couple of shows back that
I brought up regarding the nests. Is

539
00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:29.360
there any thought or possibility that maybe
they're not a nest but possibly a burial

540
00:38:29.559 --> 00:38:32.760
site and your take on that.
You've never been asked that question, but

541
00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:38.000
I can I can confidently say no. So the ground we have deconstructed.

542
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:42.519
You know, we brought doctor Meldrum
out there before we ever really messed with

543
00:38:42.559 --> 00:38:47.280
the nest, and we we actually
deconstructed one of these nests, and I

544
00:38:47.320 --> 00:38:50.920
mean to the point where we were
down to bear soil. The soil below

545
00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:55.400
wasn't disturbed, It just had a
heavy impression and the original nessary that was

546
00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:59.920
scovered by a timber. Sure bear
the nests were in a b For me,

547
00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:02.840
there was multiple nests all made at
the same time, and all bearing

548
00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:07.320
in size. I mean, there
was a bunch of larger ones anywhere from

549
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:10.519
you know, six and a half
to almost you know, eight nine feet

550
00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:15.920
across bathtub shape made out of huckleberry
over our foot in depth, but the

551
00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:21.719
center point where you could tell something
large had been laying in these nests at

552
00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:25.039
the same time. And then when
we deconstructed a nest and found that some

553
00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:29.199
of the huckleberry bowsmen pushed in the
ground, and then the nest kind of

554
00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:34.039
formulated around that, not we but
formulated around that. And then looking at

555
00:39:34.039 --> 00:39:37.079
the soil, there was no it
wasn't dug up, it was nothing like

556
00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:39.199
that. And yeah, it just
I mean, these were giants. They

557
00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:43.280
looked like giant gorilla beds, I
mean giant grillas. They looked like a

558
00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:50.840
giant freaking bathtub shaped nest, not
perfectly circular bathtub shape. And so yeah,

559
00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:52.880
I mean, never been asked that
question answered, but I could tell

560
00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:58.320
one hundred percent. And since then
we moved more nests and dug up material

561
00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:02.320
and collected samples. The dirt below
wasn't disturbed, just something had laid there

562
00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:08.079
and actually put an indentation in the
soil below. These the huckleberry Shane,

563
00:40:08.199 --> 00:40:16.320
is you sorry Vance? Because Vance's
heartbroken now, But that's okay, He'll

564
00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:22.039
get over. As you've gone back
to these nesting areas between your trips to

565
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:28.840
them, has there been any evidence
of anything coming back to these specific nest

566
00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:34.039
spots or are you finding new nest
spots and you know, in the vicinity

567
00:40:34.079 --> 00:40:37.000
of that area, like after you
guys are done doing your thing and you

568
00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:39.960
probably staking them out, have they
moved on or have they been back?

569
00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:45.920
Yeah? Great question again. So
the original nest site, there was seven

570
00:40:46.119 --> 00:40:51.199
nests discovered, including one what we
call like a practice nest that was built

571
00:40:51.199 --> 00:40:54.079
into the huckleberry bushes above the ground, like a few feet off the ground.

572
00:40:54.440 --> 00:40:59.159
It wouldn't support any weight, but
it was almost like a practice nest

573
00:40:59.199 --> 00:41:00.920
that gorillas do. But it was
a mirror image of what was on the

574
00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:06.280
ground. So I'll tell you that. And then so we discovered that original

575
00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:08.679
seven nests there, and then over
the span of a couple of months as

576
00:41:08.679 --> 00:41:14.119
we went through these ravines, and
then another one hundred yards away on another

577
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:17.679
plateau to be another set of nests, another one hundred and fifty yards away

578
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:22.239
on a plateau or finger ridge,
another set of nests. So we discovered

579
00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:25.239
twenty three nests at that time total. They were all made kind of roughly

580
00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:30.920
about the same time. We did
have audio going, so with the audio

581
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:35.039
and we found impressions and all that
stuff. But with the audio, and

582
00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:38.280
we did set up a few game
cameras, there was nothing going, nothing

583
00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:43.559
going, no dear, nothing going
in these areas. Nothing came back as

584
00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:47.039
far as we know. But on
the outskirts, the outlining of this area,

585
00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:52.440
the audio, which once again it
is speculative. We didn't see what

586
00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:55.800
made the vocals or the percussives,
the knox or whatever have you, but

587
00:41:57.199 --> 00:42:01.079
it doesn't fit anything in that area. We assume that they know possibly if

588
00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:05.519
Sasquatch is making these nests, and
they're possibly making these vocals, they kind

589
00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:07.920
of stayed in the area or it
stayed in the area, but never came

590
00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:12.280
back to the nests. And I
don't think it needed to because these nests

591
00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:17.239
were made most likely in This is
a running hypothesis based on the degradation of

592
00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:22.119
these nests over time and when they
were discovered. We assume these nests were

593
00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:25.880
made to tail end of February to
March and when they were discovered by the

594
00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:30.000
surveyor they're found in May, so
they had been long vacated. We assumed

595
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:35.159
that evergreen huckleberry will stay green,
even plucked, for months and months and

596
00:42:35.159 --> 00:42:38.960
months, depending on the conditions.
You know, the Olympics are very They

597
00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:42.280
do get a lot of snop in
the higher peaks, but it's a very

598
00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:46.440
temperate rainforest. That's doubles stay green
for months. I mean the huckleberry which

599
00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:52.039
starts to get really prime, it
could start showing up in August. It's

600
00:42:52.039 --> 00:42:54.559
more like October November. They could
last. You know, the huckleberry berries

601
00:42:54.599 --> 00:42:59.679
itself can still be around through February
easily, I which is out there a

602
00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:01.440
couple of days ago, and they're
still huckleberry and we've had a couple of

603
00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:08.079
frosts. So we assume, presume
as a hypothesis that the nests were made

604
00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:14.039
in like I said, February to
March, and so I don't even know

605
00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:16.119
if they were even really in the
area or whatever was in the area.

606
00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:20.880
After the fact that they were discovered
in May, we Todd Hale and I

607
00:43:21.159 --> 00:43:25.000
back in twenty twenty, after years
of looking for more nests in adjacent ravines

608
00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:30.400
with the same characteristics which include,
you know, thick, thick huckleberry and

609
00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:34.599
solal which is the undergrowth, very
thick canopy tree line, you know,

610
00:43:34.639 --> 00:43:38.480
with the dug furr western facing slope
with a seasonal salmon creek. That's kind

611
00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:40.800
of what we were looking at,
going, okay, maybe there's something to

612
00:43:40.840 --> 00:43:45.719
this with fingers coming off a large
ridge line. It's quick escape routes.

613
00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:51.000
And so we've been searching for years
for more nests and older nests, new

614
00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:53.239
nests, whatever. And in twenty
twenty, the very end of February,

615
00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:58.960
like our hypothesis was running, we
came across something in the middle of making

616
00:43:58.960 --> 00:44:01.440
a nest, and though we didn't
lay eyes on it, it came very

617
00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:06.280
close to us through the thick huckleberry, and this huckleberry is very thick.

618
00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:08.000
You can sometimes you can't see a
peup in front of you, and grew

619
00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:13.039
up to nine feet tall, and
this thing approached us and then retreated went

620
00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:15.440
down into it. Were being circled
around us. Never laid eyes on it.

621
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:19.119
But when we actually went to where
we heard the noise, this snapping

622
00:44:19.159 --> 00:44:22.440
of sticks and breaking and moving,
we saw a mirror image of what was

623
00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:28.400
discovered in twenty fifteen that we were
led to with the huckleberry bows being broken

624
00:44:28.440 --> 00:44:31.199
off anywhere from a foot off the
ground to over nine feet off the ground.

625
00:44:32.239 --> 00:44:37.400
Complete devastation in this area, and
a huge pile of huckleberry on the

626
00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:42.079
ground being ready to be formulated into
a nest. And found fourteen inch tracks

627
00:44:42.119 --> 00:44:45.199
which massed many of the other tracks
we've been casting this area. Found a

628
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:50.440
hand impression, well actually technically two
and a half hand impressions in this area.

629
00:44:50.639 --> 00:44:54.840
And so after discovering that this was
back when COVID first popped into the

630
00:44:54.880 --> 00:44:58.679
scene, and Washington, of course
was the first case. You know,

631
00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:00.760
this is a kind of long story, but I'll just say we were we

632
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:02.840
didn't want to touch anything. We
were going to get a hold of a

633
00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:06.119
bunch of different people and we did. They were gonna fly up, and

634
00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:09.719
then COVID hit destroyed that. So
we end up kind of monitoring area.

635
00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:14.800
Nothing came back, I mean nothing
came back to this area, though the

636
00:45:14.840 --> 00:45:17.320
audio we had placed, you know, one hundred yards away, spoke of

637
00:45:17.360 --> 00:45:23.280
something very large, very mad,
walking around the adjacent area, and we

638
00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:27.199
found trees ripped out, I mean
small saplings ripped out of the ground.

639
00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:30.599
We the recording. Some of the
recordings are just ridiculous in my opinion.

640
00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:35.159
It's like crazy, very very I
mean primate, like we call one like

641
00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:37.639
Elp in the woods. You just
hear bob damn, bam bam and grunting

642
00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:43.159
and anyways, never went back to
the necessary but I always assumed they wouldn't.

643
00:45:43.159 --> 00:45:45.599
You know. It's kind of like
if you imagine somebody that's running from

644
00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:49.760
the law, running from you know, the law, and if they're kind

645
00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:52.079
of discovered, Let's say they're making
a little abode in the middle of the

646
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:55.079
woods, somebody finds that they're not
going to go back. They're gonna it

647
00:45:55.079 --> 00:45:59.800
out there. They've been discovered.
The game's up, and to be honest

648
00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:02.880
with you guys, after that,
if these nests are kind of would I

649
00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:08.599
think they're if what's going on in
this area periodically every four to five years.

650
00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:12.119
If I think what's going on in
this area is correct, which is

651
00:46:12.159 --> 00:46:15.519
maybe a birthing area or a nursery
sort of thing. So I don't think

652
00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:19.280
sasquats needs to make nests all the
time. I think it's a seasonal thing,

653
00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:23.280
or you know, is there anything
like anything like orangutangs in any shape

654
00:46:23.440 --> 00:46:28.840
form, you know, giving birth
every four six to eight years, and

655
00:46:28.880 --> 00:46:30.400
they had the perfect storm. We
have a you know, salmon come up

656
00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:35.199
these creeks and all the berries out
there and the ungulates and the mushrooms and

657
00:46:35.400 --> 00:46:38.239
I mean skunk cabbage and everything grown
there to get you know, and be

658
00:46:39.159 --> 00:46:44.920
able to give birth. When we
discovered this nest in twenty twenty being made,

659
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:45.800
it was later on I kind of
felt bad. I was like,

660
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:49.840
man, that was a lot of
work to collect all that material, snap

661
00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:52.000
that stuff off, and then for
us to walk in on it, which

662
00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:54.239
was a complete mistake, I mean
accident. Right. We were out there

663
00:46:54.280 --> 00:46:59.599
going to camp and look for old
nests in this new ravine we hadn't searched,

664
00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:02.400
and it was only a couple of
thousand feet from the original nest area,

665
00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:06.119
and we just walked in on something
making one. And it wasn't until

666
00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:09.159
later I thought, man, if
if big if, if this is like

667
00:47:09.280 --> 00:47:14.079
Burlin scenario or something like that.
We just disturbed something and now it's got

668
00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:17.400
to go build a nest somewhere else
or disrupt its whole behavior, you know.

669
00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:22.000
And I'm not I don't say anything
definitively. It's just a hypothesis because

670
00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:24.320
these nests are not found all the
time, and I'll tell you they're always

671
00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:28.440
found. The majority of these nests
are found, and they have been found

672
00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:32.599
before California, Alaska, Canada,
Oregon, Montana, Idaho. These are

673
00:47:32.599 --> 00:47:37.079
just some of the ones I'm aware
of. They're almost always found by somebody

674
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:43.000
involved with a timber a timber company, timber survey or timber explore where they

675
00:47:43.039 --> 00:47:45.559
have a job to do and get
these really nasty areas. You know,

676
00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:49.239
a lot of times they go out
solo and they've seen everything bear. I

677
00:47:49.239 --> 00:47:52.400
mean, the guy that originally discovered
the nest, he's been doing for twenty

678
00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:55.639
seven years and never seen anything like
this and seeing everything and ran into everything.

679
00:47:57.320 --> 00:48:00.599
This is a rare occurrence. And
so yeah, once once they're discovered,

680
00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:04.480
I don't think they come back,
but they probably are, you know,

681
00:48:05.239 --> 00:48:07.639
not too far away, right,
I mean, they have to go

682
00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:12.559
somewhere. Yep. Yeah. True. I want to add something to what

683
00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:16.840
you brought up, you know,
a few moments ago regarding the audio recording

684
00:48:17.519 --> 00:48:25.920
so on the Small Town Monsters,
the video of revisiting the nesting site.

685
00:48:27.159 --> 00:48:37.280
You guys did a spectrograph of audio
and there was captured chimpanze audio, whether

686
00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:45.119
it was from the Smithsonian catalog,
that shows in the spectrograph what looks like

687
00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:52.880
a lower case letter N, and
that is a chimpanzee. Now I'm assuming

688
00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:58.519
most people understand what the spectrograph is. It just puts audio into a visual

689
00:48:58.679 --> 00:49:07.079
reference, and the chimpanzee makes a
lower case letter and type of a reference

690
00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:15.280
and then you guys end up recording
out of the Olympics something so similar to

691
00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:20.760
a lowercase letter N that it's It
gave me chills to see that, to

692
00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:27.320
go, okay, there's plenty of
evidence that there is no other animal that

693
00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:32.000
is creating that kind of a vocal
signature other than a primate, and yet

694
00:49:32.039 --> 00:49:39.280
you're capturing it out there. I
found that completely fascinating. I mean,

695
00:49:39.519 --> 00:49:45.480
great point, bands great point,
because you know the chimpanzee, you know,

696
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:47.719
Chris had we had talked about this
after recording this, and we've heard

697
00:49:47.719 --> 00:49:52.360
some like this in the woods board
very rarely, and we really never captured

698
00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:59.400
anything quite well, something similar but
not quite like this, and it visually

699
00:49:59.400 --> 00:50:04.440
speaking, the spectrap I mean oddedly
it kind of sounds similar, not quite

700
00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:07.480
but look, you know, obviously
the chimpanzee was in a controlled environment,

701
00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:13.360
if I'm not mistaken, but this
is out in the woods on captured on

702
00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:15.920
a LTR long term audio unit that
have been placed off there for months and

703
00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:20.320
months and months, and we've been
recording this area for years on end,

704
00:50:20.360 --> 00:50:22.840
and you know, in twenty twenty
one did a a over a year long

705
00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:27.880
basically not every night. We recorded
every sound of the woods and documented it

706
00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:31.119
and it's all on our it's on
our website, Olympic Product dot com.

707
00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:37.000
But yeah, the chimpanzee one was
so profound to us because that's what we

708
00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:37.960
try to do. We don't.
We don't just try to listen and go,

709
00:50:37.960 --> 00:50:40.159
okay, well that's crazy. I
don't know what made that. That's

710
00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:45.400
gotta be a sasquack. No,
we compare that visually, you know,

711
00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:51.119
we'll compare the the unknown or suspect
sound to a known animals in the Super

712
00:50:51.159 --> 00:50:55.440
Northwest through our own library of sounds
we recorded from non animals, also utilizing

713
00:50:55.840 --> 00:51:00.119
things on YouTube, but mainly like
the mccaullay Library Sounds, which has a

714
00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:04.760
huge array of animal sounds. So
it's not just listening to it, it's

715
00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:07.840
looking at it. And then when
you see the comparison like that end that

716
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:13.800
the visual representation of that sound,
and you look at that, it's uncanny.

717
00:51:13.840 --> 00:51:15.880
I mean, we don't have chimpanzees
out here, we don't have some

718
00:51:16.119 --> 00:51:20.840
balls, we don't have orangutangs out
here, but we are recording stuff that

719
00:51:21.119 --> 00:51:24.719
is very similar to what they're capable
of doing. Priming, right, yeah,

720
00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:29.599
absolutely, I mean the hair that's
the thing too, Not to get

721
00:51:29.599 --> 00:51:32.480
off subject, but even the hair
that's been looked at from these nests.

722
00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:37.000
You know, through Cindy Doson of
Homni Enigma up in Canada, who has

723
00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:42.320
probably the biggest collection of suspect or
unknown hair that is primate hair. Meldrums

724
00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:45.199
looked at it with his students in
his lab. It's primate hair. It's

725
00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:49.719
priming. It doesn't and it people
can argue about that even but it doesn't

726
00:51:49.719 --> 00:51:53.199
match bear hair, doesn't match olk
hair, deer hair, any of those

727
00:51:53.199 --> 00:51:58.400
animals, and none of those animals
having the pulsable thumb to make nests like

728
00:51:58.440 --> 00:52:00.559
this. They usually make beds.
Here's a very clever don't get me wrong.

729
00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:05.280
I know black I hunt blackery I
find that's how I hunt. I

730
00:52:05.320 --> 00:52:07.599
look for their beds, and I
look for their you know all that stuff,

731
00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:10.920
but these are the nets are amazing, and then you have the audio

732
00:52:10.960 --> 00:52:15.360
and this stuff that goes along with
that. It's it's like a lot of

733
00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:17.719
pieces to a giant puzzle, but
you start passing together and makes a really

734
00:52:17.719 --> 00:52:22.119
cool story. I mean it's really
interesting. Yeah. Well there's enough forensic

735
00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:28.440
evidence to say I convict you guilty
and we have found you. That's how

736
00:52:28.519 --> 00:52:31.719
I take it, Yeah to a
point. I mean, what what I

737
00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:38.039
applaud you all for doing is collecting, comparing, you know, really gathering

738
00:52:38.079 --> 00:52:44.880
the data. Right. We have
nothing to type it against, right,

739
00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:46.679
but all we can do and all
you can do is continue to build this

740
00:52:46.760 --> 00:52:52.639
body of evidence to support you know, the hypothesis that that that you're coming

741
00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:57.840
up with. It's amazing the results
that you're getting. I find myself more

742
00:52:57.880 --> 00:53:00.960
and more compelled to follow what you
guys are doing, either through documentary or

743
00:53:01.000 --> 00:53:06.039
just reading, because you know,
you guys are getting the work done and

744
00:53:06.079 --> 00:53:13.280
you're doing it in a way that's
just the data collection is outstanding, and

745
00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:15.719
you all need to be commended for
the work you're doing there because I think

746
00:53:16.039 --> 00:53:22.199
you know what you're doing. As
soon you gonna yield some you know,

747
00:53:22.719 --> 00:53:25.719
very important results, I think more
than what you've done so far. But

748
00:53:25.760 --> 00:53:30.599
a question we have here, aside
from me verbally pontificating Shane, is how

749
00:53:30.639 --> 00:53:37.480
important Tomali's are to your research?
Well, you know what, very important?

750
00:53:37.639 --> 00:53:40.679
I have to come from one of
my smart ass friends. It's either

751
00:53:40.719 --> 00:53:51.280
Todd Hill or maybe maybe Eli Watson, because Eli knows I love so you

752
00:53:51.320 --> 00:53:52.960
know, I'm living in California.
I was, I was spoiled with good

753
00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:57.400
Tomali's and I come up to Washington
and I can't find them. And so

754
00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:00.840
when I hear Tamali's, you know, I get especially when you're in the

755
00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:02.320
woods for a couple of days and
you're hungry and you want something to get

756
00:54:02.559 --> 00:54:07.559
here about tomaly Bet, I'm all
over it, you know, bring Yeah,

757
00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:15.360
I'm bringing on Baker, Matt Henry. Any final questions here. We

758
00:54:15.480 --> 00:54:21.079
got a few minutes left in the
program. I actually uh came from Facebook

759
00:54:21.400 --> 00:54:25.280
from our friend Jamie King, who's
him and his wife are great researchers,

760
00:54:25.800 --> 00:54:29.880
wonderful people. He kind of touched
on this, but I just want to

761
00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:34.320
kind of pick your brain at this
a little more. You were finding the

762
00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:39.840
these nests mostly on the western slopes, adjacent to some of these salmon streams.

763
00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:45.599
He particularly asked about having the view
of water, but we do have

764
00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:50.239
the streams that are bringing the food
in along with the escape routes. Are

765
00:54:50.920 --> 00:54:54.719
the sites the nests that you're that
you're hearing about in California, Canada,

766
00:54:55.199 --> 00:55:00.840
Alaska? Are they all in similar
g graphical locations that they are going to

767
00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:06.920
be on a western slope possibly with
some ridges. And then the other question

768
00:55:07.039 --> 00:55:13.039
too, are you finding these nests
on flat like a shelf or are you

769
00:55:13.159 --> 00:55:17.679
finding them on you know, different
elevation, a different terrain if it's you

770
00:55:17.719 --> 00:55:22.760
know, getting close to vertical or
such. Let me answer the last question

771
00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:25.920
first, and that's great, Matt, thank you. So they're they're found

772
00:55:25.960 --> 00:55:30.159
on flat what we call you know, I always try to say multiple names

773
00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:31.559
for them because people on the East
Coast call things different than we do on

774
00:55:31.559 --> 00:55:35.440
the West coast. YEP. So
all these nets are found off of the

775
00:55:35.599 --> 00:55:37.880
ridge line like a mountain and down
from there. If you if you look

776
00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:40.480
at your hands, you got the
mountain your knuckles, and you got these

777
00:55:40.480 --> 00:55:45.039
fingers or plateaus coming down. They're
always found at the very tip or some

778
00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:50.239
at the tip on a flat area. But you can't see these from the

779
00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:53.960
air. You can't see them from
I mean you have to walk into It's

780
00:55:54.000 --> 00:55:58.920
like looking if you imagine the huckleb
area is the wall to a house.

781
00:55:59.360 --> 00:56:01.159
You can look at the wall,
but you don't know what's inside the house

782
00:56:01.239 --> 00:56:04.159
until you open the door and walk
in. And when you walk into these

783
00:56:04.199 --> 00:56:07.559
areas, you're like, oh,
there's a picture frame. You know this

784
00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:10.239
area. It's you walk in in
this complete devastation. It's just something's been

785
00:56:10.280 --> 00:56:15.360
living there. So they're found in
that sort of thing. First question.

786
00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:19.679
So funny thing is a lot of
people aren't aware of this, but there

787
00:56:19.719 --> 00:56:23.760
was a nest found in nineteen sixty
seven on scot above Scorpion Creek which feeds

788
00:56:23.800 --> 00:56:30.599
into Bluff Creek, literally a stone
throwaway from Paddy and it was found by

789
00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:36.440
a guy named Lyle Laberty. Daniel
Perez interviewed Lyle Laberty and he had back

790
00:56:36.440 --> 00:56:38.920
in nineteen sixty seven, this guy
had discovered a large nest and he describes

791
00:56:38.960 --> 00:56:43.719
it different material but above a creek. I don't know if it was a

792
00:56:43.719 --> 00:56:46.519
salmon barren creek, but it was
above a creek coming off this plateau off

793
00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:52.480
the ridge line massive, and he'd
never seen anything like it nineteen sixty ten,

794
00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:55.840
right, Patterson gain with them.
Almost all these nests are discovered by

795
00:56:55.880 --> 00:57:00.840
somebody, like I said, in
the Timber Company, And I can't say

796
00:57:00.880 --> 00:57:04.079
that they're all found on western facing
slopes. Some of the information is kind

797
00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:06.679
of hard to figure out. But
and a lot of material is different,

798
00:57:06.840 --> 00:57:10.559
again vary, but they're all described
almost bathtub shaped over a foot and death

799
00:57:10.599 --> 00:57:15.679
made out of material, and they
perplex everybody that comes across them. But

800
00:57:15.679 --> 00:57:17.800
they're always found way off trail.
We're not talking near a game trail.

801
00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:22.800
We're not talking near man made trails. They're way the heck out there.

802
00:57:22.239 --> 00:57:28.320
And so there is so many similarities, you know, and to what we

803
00:57:28.320 --> 00:57:30.960
were led to discover that, you
know, you gotta wonder, Okay,

804
00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:35.519
well, you know, even as
an academic has to come at this going,

805
00:57:35.559 --> 00:57:37.599
well, what's making them? You
know, we don't have to say

806
00:57:37.639 --> 00:57:42.239
sasquats, even though there's a lot
of stuff pointing that direction. Something's making

807
00:57:42.280 --> 00:57:46.920
these and they're being found periodically by
the same sort of individuals that have these

808
00:57:46.920 --> 00:57:50.800
careers, you know, Timber so
their way. I mean, this is

809
00:57:50.920 --> 00:57:52.159
like I said, these nests are
not being found in the areas that hunters

810
00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:54.880
are going to go, that hikers
going to go. You're going through nasty

811
00:57:54.920 --> 00:57:59.159
stuff where on the other side of
that bush could be any sort of animal,

812
00:57:59.559 --> 00:58:02.840
be high, you never know what. They're found in very difficult to

813
00:58:02.840 --> 00:58:06.199
get areas, and they're found by
the same people. But they all are

814
00:58:06.239 --> 00:58:09.280
similar in their character, risk itself, how they're being built, and mostly

815
00:58:09.280 --> 00:58:15.840
were to being found. But is
that not how our homes are in you

816
00:58:15.880 --> 00:58:21.400
know, our personal homes, our
bedrooms are off the beaten path of the

817
00:58:21.400 --> 00:58:25.679
most trafficed area in our home.
It's off to the backside of the house

818
00:58:25.800 --> 00:58:31.199
or off to the side. We
don't traffic through that areas so much as

819
00:58:31.280 --> 00:58:37.800
we do to get to our bedroom
which is away from the high traffic area.

820
00:58:37.159 --> 00:58:40.880
That makes perfect sense to me,
absolutely. I mean, that's a

821
00:58:40.920 --> 00:58:44.599
great point, man. You know, when you look at a lot of

822
00:58:44.639 --> 00:58:47.559
the bear beds that come across or
even elk beds they're found, you know,

823
00:58:47.639 --> 00:58:50.719
like a lot of the bear beds
are well, they're always found in

824
00:58:50.760 --> 00:58:52.639
areas where they have a point of
view where they can look and see everything.

825
00:58:52.679 --> 00:58:54.800
You know, a lot of times
I find them right along the edge

826
00:58:54.800 --> 00:58:58.880
of a clear cut above, you
know, right next to the tree line

827
00:58:58.920 --> 00:59:01.480
or further rain. But they're always
at a bandage point. And the elk

828
00:59:01.519 --> 00:59:07.199
beds we find are very they're very
strategically placed where animals could look, you

829
00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:10.599
know, and whatnot. These nests
are found similar to that, but not

830
00:59:10.800 --> 00:59:13.639
necessary. I mean, of course, if you have a seven to eight

831
00:59:13.639 --> 00:59:15.280
foot tall animal, they're probably going
to be be able to look around a

832
00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:21.440
lot higher. But they're found in
areas where it's not necessarily they need to

833
00:59:21.480 --> 00:59:24.880
see stuff. They need to listen
because you'll hear anthing coming into these areas

834
00:59:24.880 --> 00:59:29.800
a mile away, but also quick
escape routes and just to have those walls

835
00:59:29.800 --> 00:59:34.000
of protection of the huckleberry to make
these nests and stay Therefore, I don't

836
00:59:34.000 --> 00:59:36.719
think these nests were made for an
overnight's stay like se Goro. They were

837
00:59:36.719 --> 00:59:37.960
made for a couple of days a
week. I don't know, but they

838
00:59:37.960 --> 00:59:42.599
were so much went into making these, but definitely, like you said,

839
00:59:43.079 --> 00:59:47.239
in an area where not high traffic
whatsoever. Mhm, Shane. Could we

840
00:59:47.360 --> 00:59:52.920
have you back on for another show
in the future, because I still have

841
00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:55.480
a list of things I want to
talk about with you. I'd love to,

842
00:59:55.760 --> 00:59:59.480
I'd love to you guys that you
know. I love talking Sasquatch and

843
00:59:59.559 --> 01:00:02.119
tem I did you know? And
I love hearing about other people's ideas and

844
01:00:02.159 --> 01:00:06.880
experiences because I don't think you know
anything, but I love talking about the

845
01:00:06.880 --> 01:00:10.079
subject matter and maybe maybe something I
say or or sparking interest with you guys.

846
01:00:10.079 --> 01:00:13.559
It's something you say may resonate with
somebody and they'll come back go,

847
01:00:13.639 --> 01:00:17.239
hey, you know greatly. Yeah, that's what it is. Notes,

848
01:00:17.519 --> 01:00:22.599
Thank you, thank you, thank
you. I got a roadmap going here

849
01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:25.440
of all things we've talked about tonight, we've seen somebody. Somebody said to

850
01:00:25.480 --> 01:00:30.920
me, message me and said,
pay attention. Notes, you mf ors

851
01:00:30.119 --> 01:00:36.360
right there, some of us,
you know. Anyhow, Henry Shane,

852
01:00:36.360 --> 01:00:37.599
thank you so much for joining us. And now where can folks find out

853
01:00:37.679 --> 01:00:43.320
more about you and more about your
work, you know, follow thee limpproject

854
01:00:43.360 --> 01:00:45.840
dot com. We've been trying to
post more and more stuff there because we

855
01:00:45.880 --> 01:00:49.280
get blamed all the time or not
sharing stuff, but we really try to

856
01:00:49.440 --> 01:00:52.360
and and then also we do with
like small Town Monsters. It's not for

857
01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:55.400
tiv time or YouTube time. It's
really just a you know, they approached

858
01:00:55.480 --> 01:00:59.119
us and wanted to film with us, and we liked their style because they

859
01:00:59.239 --> 01:01:01.760
keep it real. You know,
many many of us, I know probably

860
01:01:01.800 --> 01:01:07.239
here and others get approached by production
crews and they want drama, they want

861
01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:09.079
scariness. Don't let it, you
know, as Eli. I think I

862
01:01:09.119 --> 01:01:10.880
watched part of Eli show with you
guys, and he nailed it. I

863
01:01:10.960 --> 01:01:14.360
mean, it's it could be very
boring. It doesn't make good TV.

864
01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:19.639
So you know, yeah, if
you're interested, watch some of the small

865
01:01:19.639 --> 01:01:22.280
Town Monsters stuff. They've done a
fantastic job and it highlights, you know,

866
01:01:22.440 --> 01:01:27.079
a lot of the research, a
lot of the individuals involved like Todd

867
01:01:27.119 --> 01:01:30.119
Hale and Chris Spencer and Rebecca and
Slick and David Ellis and Derek Randalls and

868
01:01:30.239 --> 01:01:37.400
and some others are mercell fantastic individual
highlights a lot of the conjoined research and

869
01:01:37.480 --> 01:01:39.920
some of the solo stuff. But
so look there and then you know,

870
01:01:39.960 --> 01:01:43.599
you find me on the usual stuff, Facebook, Instagram and all that,

871
01:01:43.639 --> 01:01:45.000
and I try to share a little
bit here and there, but you're gonna

872
01:01:45.039 --> 01:01:51.360
be better off finding a podcast or
Small Town Monsters or going through the LIMP

873
01:01:51.400 --> 01:01:53.360
project dot com website, and there's
some good stuff. I think some of

874
01:01:53.360 --> 01:01:57.800
the stuff that Chris Spencer has put
together on there and and others. It's

875
01:01:57.880 --> 01:02:00.840
fantastic, so I think you can
learn a lot there if you're interested.

876
01:02:00.079 --> 01:02:05.639
Well again, thank you so much. Right absolutely, Henry. Why don't

877
01:02:05.679 --> 01:02:10.119
you go ahead and take us out, my friend, you'll be good folks.

878
01:02:10.119 --> 01:02:22.519
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