EP 90: Sasquatch, My Dear Watson!

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As always, listener discretion is advised. We got someone or something growing around

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out here? Does a legend walk
among us working in the forests of our

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world? Did you see what it
was? Was it a person or an

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animal? Or I can't go?
Oh, I know that my thunder light

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came on and I get happened to
glim and see this thing running across the

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yard. A good fight man or
something looks like a man. I don't

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know what it was. For over
fifteen years, we've talked with scientists,

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researchers, investigators, and witnesses trying
to gain insight and proof around the exist

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distance of this mysterious entity. Jesus, Hello, get somebody out here.

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What's going to announce? There?
Got a bittures about six foot right,

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I don't know, easy announce there? Yeah, I'm walking right out.

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Oh okay, and yeah, got
it's bigger? Okay, what's he doing

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in your yard? We're gonna do
join us as we continue into the investigation,

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of the Sasquatch Experience, and well
here we are tonight, folks,

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Squad Experience Monday, January eighth,
twenty twenty four as a major system once

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again hitting across the looks like the
center of the country right now, vance

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and starting to get hammered. Henry's
off tonight due to some very bad weather

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in Mississippi, so we wish him
the best. But we have a good

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guest for you tonight, and of
course our menagerie of co hosts from all

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over with varying experiences. It's going
to be a good show tonight before we

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get kicked off with our guests.
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deal in itself. So guy,
man, we got a good guest tonight,

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as you can see down the bottom
corner. Eli Watson, you know,

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more famous than us, which I
didn't think was possible. Eli is

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a California native on the search for
sasquatch and other worldly mysteries. He is

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the host of the podcast Cryptid Campfire, a member of the Small Town Monsters

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production team, featured in Mysteries and
Monsters Beyond the Trail of Bigfoot and currently

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working on Bigfoot Road to Discovery,
now available on small Town Monsters on YouTube,

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and his adventures have taken him to
remarkable places, and tonight he joins

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us on the Sasquatch Experience. Eli, thanks for taking the time and your

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globe trotting down with us here tonight. Hey, well, thanks for having

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me on. I want to give
you guys props though this is probably the

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most clever title. I can't believe
no one's went for it yet, but

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Sasquatch, my dear Watson, that's
you, guys, hands down best.

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That's all up here, buddy.
It'll cost you if you want to use

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it money. I give this work
freel like, make that the title of

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your book if you'd like to,
you know, you can just put so.

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Eli, We are really glad you
joined us tonight. We have a

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a lot of questions for you.
But you know, more importantly, you

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know, are you finally taking a
little downtime, you're working on something else,

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or you're just getting a little time
to relax in between all these videos

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Seth is making your sleigh away on
I am taking I'm well, how do

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I put this? I'm beginning to
work on a new project. It's something

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that all hopefully debut at Monsterfest.
I don't want to say what it is

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in case it does doesn't come,
doesn't work out that way. You know,

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things are always in flux until they're
out, you know. Yeah,

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so it's not Sasquatch related, but
it is cryptid related. So it's something

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I've filmed. Cool. Actually,
a lot of the British Columbia content already

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came out last November, but everything
except for what I filmed that's been a

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secret project for some months now,
and by the time it comes out will

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be more than a year. So
wow, that's a that's a long time

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from filming to to getting it out
there. But no, I understand the

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need for sequency, and you know
your secret's safe with us, no winking,

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gentlemen. But if you haven't checked
it out folks on YouTube right now

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you can go see Road to Discovery. I've liked that. You know,

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you're chronicling what's going on up there
in the nesting area with the Olympic Project.

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How did you get before we jump
into that, how did you get

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into Sasquatch cryptozoology? What was your
push into the field of study. Well,

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it's remarkably not very special. I
grew up in southern California, and

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as you know, it's not Sasquatch
country down here, although I have made

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quite a few documentaries on that,
But growing up I certainly hadn't heard of

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sasquatch down here. But I grew
up with shows like Monster Quest and Lost

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Tapes and then later finding Bigfoot,
And that's kind of I can't really point

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to a moment where I can say
this is where I learned about Sasquatch.

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It just felt like something that I
always knew about. There's sasquatch lockness,

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monster in the Chubicabra for me,
it was kind of the trinity, which

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is weird because mostly most of the
time people would say Sasquatch, Lockness,

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and Mothman. But I wasn't really
into Mothman being out here in California.

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And then in twenty eighteen, I
was working at a movie theater and I

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was got real close with someone there
and we were just talking about Bigfoot all

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the time, and I said we
should start a podcast, and I remember

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he just kind of laughed and walked
away, and I was like, oh,

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that's a well shot, my shot. And he came back a few

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days later and was like, hey, I've been thinking about what you said.

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We should we should start a podcast, And so we agreed we needed

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one more person because we couldn't just
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a broader audience than just you know, going straight into yeah, you know

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Patterson Gimmelin film and stuff like that. We wanted to lead people into it.

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So we wanted to bring someone else
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Jasmine May with who's actually here in
the chat tonight? I think the first

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comment on Facebook and and also my
girlfriend I should say that, but and

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yeah, so that's how Cryptic Campfire
came to be, and so so it

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kind of started off as a hobby
for me, and I found myself getting

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really really into reading the books and
really really just wanting to do interviews and

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interviewing people. And then I interviewed
Seth and I went to film school,

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and I wanted to make films.
I've always wanted to make films, wanted

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to make films longer than I've wanted
to look for Sasquatch. And when I

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found out about Seth is when I
found out that, oh, it's possible

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I can make films and not be
enslaved to the Hollywood system and make things

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about make movies about what I want
to make things movies about. And that

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was when I did the podcast,
the Crypticampfire Interview with Seth, and then

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he invited me out to the On
the Trail of Bigfoot the Discovery shoot in

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April of twenty twenty one. So
I flew out and did that and that

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was my first time working with small
town monsters. That led to me working

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on Beyond the Trail. Now everything's
coming full circle as I'm doing the kind

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of sequel series to that movie with
Road to Discovery. Yeah, it's really

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good, and I like how you
touch back on some of those subjects.

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You know, I've known Seth a
long time since he did Minerva, so

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I've been a small Town Monsters fan
and supporter before the first kickstarter, I

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guess. So I've really enjoyed seeing
all the different filmmakers come come in and

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put their own little mark on the
movies. And there are distinct stylization differences,

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you know, And I think I
appreciate what you're doing because what you

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seem to be doing with this is
really really documentary work. Like it's a

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lot of if folks are expecting scary
camera you know, camera work and music,

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and they're not going to get that, they're really going to get I

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think what maybe truly you and Alex
both, I think you a little bit

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more in this a true caste of
what the research is really like. And

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I think it's important people see that
because you know, with Finding Bigfoot and

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other shows, though they're great shows
and people you can say what you want

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to out there about them being entertainment, it puts asses in the seats.

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So people want to watch the rest
of the stuff we're putting out there,

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and they they you know, it
brings an audience in to listen. What

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you do is distinct, and I
really appreciate it as a as a researcher.

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From a researcher's perspective, I think
you're really showing what it's really like

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out there. In fact, those
guys go a lot harder than we do.

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Don't don't let me fool you there. They they really are some remarkable

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gentlemen in the Olympic and then ladies
in the Olympic project. Mmm, well,

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thank you. Yeah. That was
the main goal for this series more

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than anything else. I think it
came just the way the show came together

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and the scheduling of the filming,
And it's different from anything else that I've

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made, and you know, because
I made mysteries and monsters for the majority

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of last year, and that was
I wanted it to feel like this big

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epic adventure that you were learning along
with me. And certainly that's one aspect

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of it is this research can feel
adventurous and spectacular, but I that show

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is a lot to produce. It's
a lot to kind of maintain that upbeat

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feeling. And so with Road to
Discovery, I wanted to pursue something more

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relaxed, more grounded, and you
know, I wanted to return to this

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kind of old school vibe with it. You know, the I point to

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the Sasquatch documentaries of the seventies and
eighties and even the nineties, and they're

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like a genre of their own because
they don't really reflect the time period they

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were made in. You watch Sasquatch
Odyssey and compare it to like other documentaries

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made in the nineties, and they're
not the same. They're they're not.

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It's like Sasquatch Odyssey is its own
beast. So I kind of wanted to

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replicate specifically those documentaries, and I
mean it ended up becoming more or less

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its own thing in the end,
which it always does. But I'm I

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was very worried at the release of
the first episode that people would find it

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boring because there isn't those big jump
scares. There isn't any scary moments.

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It's just a very informative thing.
But those are not the le that you

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really want involved in this whole genre
to begin with. If they're there for

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the jump scare, those aren't the
people that you want in that in that

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circle. You want the people in
there that are really looking on the scientific

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fact and looking for all this nuance
evidence in my opinion, any right,

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because I mean, yeah, that's
a good point. You know, there's

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a lot of this research and a
lot of what you find is not exactly

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the most exciting stuff in the world. But and what I really try to

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paint a picture and road a discovery
is that the sum of all the parts,

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you know, is what makes it
compelling. And you have, you

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know, Chris Spencer's audio. If
you take one audio file, that's not

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going to convince anybody, just one
sound, you know, But you have

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all of this audio that's recorded over
two years, plus a footprint find,

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plus the nests themselves and plentiful reads, food sources, and you put all

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of that together and suddenly it's like, oh, this points to something being

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here. You know, the sum
how would you say the parts the sum

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is greater than the parts? Or
is that the second butchering? But you

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make a good point with that though, Like I learned so much from listening

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to Chris talk about forrests and the
ecosystem that those little tidbits and like somebody

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said, the nuance, the nuance
about it is what attracts me and if

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I'm learning and I've been in this
field a long time and I'm still learning

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things and interested in that, there's
still a market for that. And now,

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Eli, you do have you are
telling the story though with the personalities.

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You know, You've got Shane,
You've got Chris, you know,

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you've got you know, Rebecca.
I think they're really good people to have

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on here because they do add a
little bit to the story. You know,

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you go back and you talked about
Sasquatch Odyssey. You know, if

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you took out the four horsemen of
that documentary, what would it be yep,

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right, And that was really I
think the first documentary that didn't so

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much associate with the subject as it
is the people involved in the subject.

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And you know, if you did
something like that, now, man,

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you've got the picks of you know, a cast of characters. You'd be

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doing shows for years with all the
interesting people in this field. So you

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were at monster Fest last year you
saw most of them, and that's you

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know, there's a lot to work
with and I think you're doing a very

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good job of that. I've only
seen the first two episodes, but they're

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very strong and I hope it stays
that way, and I do enjoy the

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audio and the you know, the
real tidbits that you're putting in there that

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do tell the story of what's going
on in that area. Thank you.

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I appreciate that. Vance Baker,
Matt, you guys got questions for you.

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Loan Oh, I've got lots of
questions, but I don't want to

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hog the whole show. I wanted
to save. I wanted to save one

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question because Shane Courson is going to
be on our show in February, and

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I brought this topic up a couple
of shows on the Sasquatch experience. The

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nesting site that you visited, I
was rather curious, is it Could it

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actually not be a nesting site,
but perhaps maybe a burial site. And

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I'm wondering if you even have given
any consideration to that at all. Uh

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hmm. It's funny. I would
say the biggest blunder in my series so

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far has been not to include,
for whatever reason, what the Olympic Project

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thinks that the nest site is.
As far as a burial site, I'm

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not sure if it could be.
I can't say with one hundred percent certainty

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that it's not, but I think
the that I mean, the first nest

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site that they found had seven nests
in it, and I mean, I

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don't know if that would mean that
there's seven sasquatches buried there, but I

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think what they think think it is, and Shane could probably explain it better,

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is that it's probably a birth inside
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a female human will give up a
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I'm sure maybe then a female sasquatch
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of night if giving birth, or
during the day, and you're recording these

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sounds, who's to say that that's
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aspects to all of this that we
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it sure is interesting. You can
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themselves are made out of huckleberry as
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Huckleberry leaves were used by Huckleberry leaves
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think, as to give two women
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I didn't know that. You look
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nests were found, because there was
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and then again found another nest site
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you're applying what we know about other
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at orangutans because orangutans live mostly solitary
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and they give birth every four to
eight years, So a gap of

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five years would make sense in this
scenario. You know, so they're not

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building nests all the time, they're
building them every few years when one is

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born. So huh that sounds slid
though, Yeah, right, right,

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yeah, I don't. I mean, that's all them too, and Shane's

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Shane will probably explain it way better
than I can. But it's when I

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heard it, I was like,
well, I don't know what else it

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could be, right, but now
think about that. You're taking known science,

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right, medicinal properties of plants,
you're taking known gestations of apes,

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and now you're wrapping it in to
this unknown scientist. Is exactly what we

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should be doing in this study right, and to me, that's that's incredibly

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remarkable that we're able to draw these
parallels. It's incredibly cool. And I

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look, I you know, just
that little tidbit you gave me. I'm

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really looking forward to more of this
eroaded discovery and seeing what the guys from

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the Olympic Project are doing. Not
that I'm k not going anybody else's research,

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including our own mat but these guys
are getting out there. You know,

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they're rocking some you know some you
know field time, they're making it

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happen, and then you got you
know, Eli chronicling it all. It's

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it's amazing. I can't wait to
see. Are there going to be any

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surprises, anything that's going to make
us go when we watch this documentary.

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How many episodes are there currently the
back Well, the third one just came

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out yesterday, and then there will
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month, and then at least five, at least six, and then I'm

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going back out in March to film
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ongoing. As to how many there
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a lot to cover, and you
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that comes out later this month.
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eventually I move on from the Nest
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so we get into all the other
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there in September to film it,
we spent two days out at the Nest

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site and I said to them,
oh, this will be a quick,

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you know, follow up to the
movie, like what have you guys been

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doing since then? And instead,
you know, just one episode about the

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nests and instead it's turned into four. Well, don't knock it, you

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know, it's it's creating content and
that's what it's all about. Matt Baker.

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You guys got any questions? Yeah, you know what I just caught

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like a real quick bit of this
on one of your documentaries. But could

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you give us the whole story about
the mouse camp? Oh, Miles,

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yeah, mouse camp? Yes,
no, Miles Right. Well, back

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in April of twenty twenty one,
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it was me and Alex and we
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and they had made that camp,
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like logging tear. There's no trails, there's nothing, so they kind of

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cleared out an area where it was
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they didn't have a name for it. And as the story goes, because

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I was asleep for the whole thing
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did because I was tired. I
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I flew into Washington, me and
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in the snow, and then we
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raining. And when I woke up
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And I was sick for the rest
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be like congested and coughing sucks.
And I was also trying to like impress

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Seth and Alex and try to get
a job, so I'm like pushing myself

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really hard, you know. So
on the second night, I went to

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bed before everyone else because I was
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down. An hour or two later, I guess Alex unzips the tent and

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there's a mouse trying to climb out. The mouse had been trapped inside the

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tent with me, and so the
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the members of the Olympic Project decided
to call it mouse Camp. Oh

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my god, mm, don't feel
bad, Eli, Baker misses most of

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our shenanigans on camping trips when he
takes his allergy medicines and passes out and

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he misses everything, sleeps ask watching
counter once he takes it as long as

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as long as it doesn't wake up
in the middle of night, starts staring

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at me and I'm pretty good,
right. Question jar from Jeremiah Eli.

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He wants to know what is your
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Yeah, the Drumming for Bigfoot documentary. Well, I for anyone who

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doesn't know, Drumming for Bigfoot is
a documentary I think, also made directed

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by Peter Vaughan Putkammer, who also
who made Sasquatch Odyssey, and both documentaries

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feature Henry Franzoni very prominently. And
here's what's funny is gosh it would have

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been September of twenty twenty one.
I interviewed Henry Franzoni on camera and I

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didn't know anything about him and drumming
for Yeah, Drumming for Bigfoot is not

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the official name. I think.
I think the documentary is just called Bigfoot,

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if I'm not mistaken, Hello Todd. When I had actually spent the

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night before at Chris Spencer's house with
Rebecca Slick and Yeah and Chris, and

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I told them that I was going
to go interview for Franzoni, and they

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showed me for the first time drumming
for Bigfoot, and I was like blown

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away. But the number one thing
that got me was how Franzoni himself says

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Sasquatch. He says Sasquatch and he
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I cry, who knows, right, let me read it. I just

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bought his book and I've known since
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like a virtual internet Bigfoot conference,
and I've known Henry a long time.

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So I have his book and I'm
looking forward to checking it out and reading

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it. He's an interesting cat,
guys. If you're not familiar with him,

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check him out. Definitely change some
views over the years. Any other

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question from you, guys. We
do have to take a quick break because

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I told Seth Edwin this commercial,
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Academy. I want a golden yet. Yeah. After that brief commercial,

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welcome back Sasquatch Experience, Sean Palker, James Baker, Matt Arner, Vance

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Nesbitt, also known as Chatty Cathy, and our guest tonight, Eli Watson.

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I did take this g enormous,
obnoxious, sound isolating thing coconut off

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my love cup of my microphone so
we could go back to something a little

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bit more normal looking, and I'm
glad you're here focused a little bit better

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too. Good. That's important.
How that worked? I really don't thing

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anyhow, back to the important thing. Our guest tonight, Eli Watson,

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joining us the creator producer of Bigfoot
Road to Discovery. We've been talking about

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that for just a few moments here. You know what, Eli, I

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guess my question for you would be
what keeps you going? Now you've been

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out in the field, you've been
doing you know, what keeps you attached

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to this? Missie? There has
to be something that keeps you focused and

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wanting to keep doing this uh money
not working at a convenience store by far

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the best job I've ever had.
I don't know, to be honest,

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that the Sasquatch subject is a strange
thing to me, because this has happened

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at least twice now in my life
to where I'll become really burnt out on

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the topic and I'll hate it,
and I'll hate Bigfoot and I'll hate everyone

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in it. And then the stars
aligne and I'm sent on a quest in

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the Pacific Northwest and suddenly everything flips
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And every time that I don't,
I don't, and I get deeper and

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deeper into it that way. And
so it's like every time I begin to

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try to get away from this,
it sucks me back in. And it's

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I guess that's what they would call
the curse of Sasquatch, right, It

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will take over your life. So
in many instances you're correct on that I've

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had my my spells away and have
somehow found a way to get drawn back

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into it, usually in some sort
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or somebody reaches out one day and
says, hey, we got something

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we really want you to look at. And then then thing, you know,

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it's been three or four years and
your back rade to where you started.

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because I'm twenty five, it'll probably
happen at some point, or I'll

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swear off Bigfoot forever and then I'll
go hiking outside and I'll see one.

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leading into that. Now, there's
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you kind of went through in the
in the series. You know. The

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one that that really kind of came
to mind was when you and Alex were

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out in Utah. And I believe
that you have to, you know,

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something pretty close to you. Guys, what has been, whether it's on

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camera, off camera, your best
experience that you've had or the best encounter

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that you've had out there. Hmm. I guess for me, the two

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most notable encounters happened in the same
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in Bluff Creek, California, and
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I don't know, I guess it
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just how wild it felt, and
that was really the first time I heard

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knocks in person. And so we
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up in Bluff Creek, and Roger
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all the big timers had been to
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what they believed to be Patty's tracks
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It was Me, Alex Tait,
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and a couple other people from the
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kind of split up into three teams
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his dog Bandit, and a bunch
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road. Me Alex or Me and
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of trees out in the middle of
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into the woodline on the far side
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was to get you know, situated, wait out for a few minutes,

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and then Alex's group in my group
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other, which I think is an
interesting approach. You know, I don't

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know if a single one off knock
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two knocks, you know, to
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you got to ask the question,
if they're doing knocks, what are

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they knocking too? You know,
they're not just doing it. So we

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did a couple knocks back and forth
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Tate said that they had something thrown
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broke or a rock was thrown at
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from where I was facing, Alex
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then the road was off over here, and from the direction of the road,

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it just like exploded and there was
like five or six knocks. We

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were like, what the heck just
happened, and so we kind of waited

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around and nothing else happened, and
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coming from down the road this way, not from where the knox had come.

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The knocks came from where the cars
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walked down the road, and so
we're not no one was at the cars

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when those knocks happened. So everyone
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and us four we stayed. We
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and we just kind of stayed and
we listened for a minute. And it

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was really bizarre because it was a
full moon, so we could see up

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and down the road, but you
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dark because of the shadows. And
we heard something take a few steps on

404
00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:13.039
the right hand side, and then
something take a few steps on the left

405
00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:16.360
hand side, and then it kept
going and getting closer and closer to us.

406
00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:22.559
And that was actually the first time
I was actually like getting nervous because

407
00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:27.079
there was something there, and you
know, it's not a bear, it's

408
00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:31.480
not a mountain lion. There's two
things paralleling us getting closer, taking turns

409
00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:37.079
on the side of the road,
and that Alex actually went out and spoke

410
00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:42.440
to it and he said something and
that's when it stopped. And we didn't

411
00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:45.920
even hear it leave. It just
stopped. And so I don't know if

412
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:49.039
they left or I mean, we
stayed there for probably another half hour,

413
00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:52.920
nothing happened, didn't even hear so
I don't know what would have happened if

414
00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:58.480
Alex hadn't said anything, or or
what, you know, I just don't

415
00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:02.519
know. But it freaked me out, was that the same was that the

416
00:35:02.599 --> 00:35:07.719
same night that the you guys recorded
the whoop Yeah where the dog. The

417
00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:14.039
dog was acting really kind of funky. Yeah, yeah, he got separated

418
00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:19.760
because actually, you know what's funny
is Ken Gerhard showed up earlier that day

419
00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:25.079
and he had been doing he was
part of that Trinity Alps giant Salamander expedition,

420
00:35:27.079 --> 00:35:30.079
and I guess they just decided to
come to Bluff Creek because they weren't

421
00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:35.679
finding any giant salamanders. And we
were walking kind of the road looking at

422
00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:39.880
the location where Jerry crew would have
found tracks, and I guess Bandit went

423
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:45.039
off and roamed by himself, which
I guess is something that he does and

424
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:47.599
then he always comes back just fine, but this time he came back tail

425
00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:52.880
tucked between his legs and was just
freaking out, you know. And then

426
00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:59.480
we got back to camp and Jonathan
easily filmed himself and that's when a whoop

427
00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:04.880
happened during he was filming that,
and I think someone else said that they

428
00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:07.880
hurt a knock or something, but
I can't remember. But yeah, there

429
00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:14.199
was just weird things happening, but
kind of disparate, and like even though

430
00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:17.039
we're there for Sasquatch. None of
us were really like putting all the pieces

431
00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:22.119
together, you know, so it's
just kind of bizarre. But yeah,

432
00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:25.960
that was the same night, so
something wrong with them. It's real funny

433
00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:30.079
how that happens. You know,
you're out there with the express purpose and

434
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:36.039
intent of trying to solicit some sort
of activity and that it happens and you

435
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:40.519
find yourself completely unprepared on your work. It's what happened to me. It's

436
00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:45.199
just happened to others. So you're
you're not in a an island upon yourself

437
00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:51.199
in that one. It's happened to
the best of us, and it's you

438
00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:53.960
know, it's just one of those
damn things that makes you empathize with our

439
00:36:54.039 --> 00:37:00.679
witnesses even more that when they experience
something and sometimes with experience far more dramatic

440
00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:07.039
than what you or we've experienced,
and you know, we expect to be

441
00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:12.920
able to get so much info out
of them. It's really difficult to you

442
00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:15.639
know, sometimes bring them into it
and you have to get that on video.

443
00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:17.800
Is that ben a challenge to you? At times you get people that

444
00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:21.280
are so emotional you got to shut
it down and you have to give them

445
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:22.599
time or you know, how do
you deal with that on a shoot.

446
00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:32.440
I haven't dealt with that completely,
I guess, mostly because I haven't been

447
00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:37.559
around anything too too dramatic. I
guess. Well, I kept thinking about

448
00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:42.679
this and how strange it was.
I guess. I don't know. I

449
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:45.440
don't know what I'm trying to say
here, but I haven't had to deal

450
00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:51.119
with it. There is something I'm
anticipating talking to a couple people about in

451
00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:58.840
regards to Road to Discovery that will
probably be very dramatic, and I don't

452
00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:05.559
know how well of an interview it's
going to be, right, But I

453
00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:10.360
also haven't interviewed anyone who was like
or who have had a sasquatch experience recent

454
00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:15.280
so recently that they were still very
very moved by it, you know,

455
00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:20.039
it's always been a couple of years
have passed and things like that, and

456
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:24.760
so they're able to kind of control
that emotional response to it. But it's,

457
00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:30.320
uh, yeah, I don't know. I don't know what it would

458
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:34.880
be like if I saw it,
you know, I haven't seen one,

459
00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:43.159
so but if I might poop myself
or something, I don't know, all

460
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:46.880
right, right, understandable, I
don't know if that is all your question,

461
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:55.880
but well, yeah, I get
it. I kind of wanted to

462
00:38:57.000 --> 00:39:01.239
take things a little bit different direction
here, a little bit more lighthearted.

463
00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:10.199
Eli. I'm thirty years plus,
you're senior. I appreciate the fact of

464
00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:15.840
what you do. But what I
appreciate one of the one thing that I

465
00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:23.199
appreciate greatly when you do these videos
with small town monsters. It's the good,

466
00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:28.079
bad, and ugly pancho that you
wear. Dude, that is so

467
00:39:28.360 --> 00:39:31.360
bad ass. In my world,
I just can't get enough of this.

468
00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:37.239
I'm like, I'm looking at guys
geared up in you know, twenty twenty

469
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:43.000
three, twenty twenty four, all
their gear, and here's Eli. He's

470
00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:46.159
got a poncho on, and I'm
just waiting for you to throw that thing

471
00:39:46.280 --> 00:39:51.400
over your shoulder and pull out a
forty four and say no, I'm the

472
00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:58.480
ruler of the day right now.
And you might laugh. But you know

473
00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:06.079
what some finds it's old school stuff
that is the most deficient in what it

474
00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:12.360
is that you're doing. And I
give you total kudos for that whole that

475
00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:21.159
whole idea of going into that environment
with that that that makes my day.

476
00:40:21.440 --> 00:40:24.840
I love to see that. Thank
you, sir. I appreciate that that

477
00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:36.760
that poncho is alpaca. Mm hmm
and hm. I got that actually on

478
00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:40.159
the same trip of the story I
just told. We drove up to Oregon

479
00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:45.280
right after we did that documentary big
Foot Mountain it's called, and we went

480
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:50.480
up to government camp there on Mount
Hood and there was all these vendors there

481
00:40:50.599 --> 00:40:53.360
and I saw a poncho and I
saw that poncho and I was like,

482
00:40:53.679 --> 00:41:00.679
I want it, and I bought
it and for a decent price too,

483
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:04.639
and the owners actually took a picture
of it. They asked me what I

484
00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:08.199
did for a living, and they
were enthralled that I looked for bigfoot.

485
00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:13.599
They loved it. They put it
on their website as a bigfoot hunting poncho

486
00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:21.719
in my picture together that way,
that's awesome. All that comes together.

487
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:28.639
M My biggest takeaway from this interview, vance is that you're impressed with Eli's

488
00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:36.960
outfits. Dude, I have since
the first time I saw him on any

489
00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:39.800
of these that poncho, and I'm
like, dude, that is so bad.

490
00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:44.679
I would do that. I just
don't know if I've got the balls

491
00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:49.960
to do it. But Eli does
it and it fits imperfectly me. I

492
00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:53.960
probably look like a moron doing it, but you would he like doing it.

493
00:41:54.199 --> 00:41:59.559
No, I could just see him
throwing that poncho over his left shoulder

494
00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:01.960
and pull am out of forty four
and say, yeah, really you want

495
00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:07.000
to f with me? Okay,
let's go. I'm more likely to pull

496
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:12.960
out a forty five. Doesn't matter, Yeah, does didn't matter. It's

497
00:42:13.199 --> 00:42:19.440
just that that's part of the that's
part of the whole environment of what it

498
00:42:19.599 --> 00:42:24.920
is that you're doing, and that's
that helps build the whole case of what

499
00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:31.480
it is that you're trying to discover. Actly have fun while doing this,

500
00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:36.760
and you can see it and what
you do. And I think that's also

501
00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:39.360
an important element that we lose sometimes
and all this, that this should still

502
00:42:39.400 --> 00:42:44.079
be about fun as much as it
should be about discovery science. You should

503
00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:47.320
still have that element of fun about
it. Yeah. One more thing about

504
00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:52.320
Vance's question is I don't know if
I could pull off the the bald head

505
00:42:52.480 --> 00:43:02.480
Robert Morgan. Look, now you're
doing more of a clast. You've got

506
00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:07.280
more of the clinic East would think
going on. I'll give you that the

507
00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:12.719
memes are going to start flying tomorrow
now. Of I'm sure, Yeah,

508
00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:21.960
I'm sure. They are. Now
who keeps saying that there's not enough evidence

509
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:24.119
for the exits a big foot.
You're out there, you're doing this.

510
00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:30.079
What do you say to them they're
not I wish I could say they're not

511
00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:37.039
paying attention. But it's not that
it's there. There is evidence out there.

512
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:43.559
I don't think people are coming forward
enough with it. I guess like

513
00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:47.000
one of the things with this series
Road to Discovery is that, sure,

514
00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:51.559
the members of the Olympic Project might
have talked about some of this stuff on

515
00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:55.239
a podcast, but there's they've given
me access to footage that's never been seen

516
00:43:55.280 --> 00:44:00.079
by the public before, you know, and it's and going through it and

517
00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:05.119
placing it in chronological order and stuff, and it's like what you guys are

518
00:44:05.199 --> 00:44:09.920
finding stuff that's even more incredible than
what you guys have been saying on podcasts

519
00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:15.559
and shows and stuff like that.
But it just requires I don't want to

520
00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:20.000
sound conceded, but it requires the
right person to tell it, you know.

521
00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:24.320
And because presentation is everything no matter
what it comes to, you know,

522
00:44:24.519 --> 00:44:29.760
even if you're presenting sasquatch evidence,
there's still a bit of marketing when

523
00:44:29.800 --> 00:44:32.079
it comes to it. You still
need to present it in a way that

524
00:44:32.320 --> 00:44:37.360
makes sense, a way that's logical, easy to follow, in a way

525
00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:40.480
that will quite frankly, convince people
that this is real. And again it

526
00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:45.400
comes down to it's not. You
can't just look at one piece of evidence.

527
00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:47.039
If you look at one footprint,
anyone can say, oh, it's

528
00:44:47.079 --> 00:44:51.559
fake. If you look at a
thousand footprints, it's harder to say that.

529
00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:57.199
If you look at a thousand footprints
and fifty audio files, one video,

530
00:44:57.840 --> 00:45:00.599
couple photographs, you know, and
suddenly you're building a case. So

531
00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:07.400
I think, I guess it's not
quite an answer to your question, but

532
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:13.679
I think what we as Sasquatch researchers
need to do is to either publish a

533
00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:20.800
book or create something that just displays
the evidence of what we've found so far.

534
00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:23.719
And I guess you know, one
thing I will say that is a

535
00:45:23.800 --> 00:45:29.480
step in the right direction is Chris
Spencer's audio project, because he's working with

536
00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:36.800
squatchro Metrics and they're putting together a
report of all the audio that Chris recorded

537
00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:39.679
over a two year period in the
nest site. And so I mean,

538
00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:45.559
what you have is a very small
amount of suspicious audios. They'll call it.

539
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:50.119
They don't call it, you know, sasquatch audio because he didn't see

540
00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:54.719
a sasquatch make the sound, So
you know, you can't say that that's

541
00:45:54.760 --> 00:45:59.760
what it is. It's suspect audio. So but that's a step. We

542
00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:05.039
need more things like that. So
I love how that's presented by the way

543
00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:10.960
the just the correlation of data and
the squadron metrics. It's again when you

544
00:46:12.039 --> 00:46:15.480
talk about presentations on the presentation,
I think it's articulated very well. Go

545
00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:22.679
ahead, man, So you have
been to some of the most remote places

546
00:46:23.719 --> 00:46:30.480
in the United States. You've been
up to Canada, Alaska. Where are

547
00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:37.920
some of those international go to places
that you would love to go and investigate.

548
00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:45.960
M definitely would love to get to
Nepal and look for the Eddie up

549
00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:52.480
there and kind of retrace the steps
of Tom Slick and Peter Burn and those

550
00:46:52.559 --> 00:47:01.519
expeditions that the unfortunate unfortunately named Slick
Johnson expeditions. I know, right,

551
00:47:02.559 --> 00:47:07.199
yeah, yeah, but that you
know they went to the r Run Valley.

552
00:47:07.239 --> 00:47:10.559
I think it's called the Run Valley, and that I would love to

553
00:47:10.599 --> 00:47:16.480
go there, I guess. I
don't know. Lake monsters aren't necessarily my

554
00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:21.320
thing, but you know, luck
nests is obviously a place I've never been

555
00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:24.280
to. Would love to get out
there. Oh, Australia. I've been

556
00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:28.599
thinking about the Yawi a lot lately. I would love to get out there,

557
00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:32.840
especially because, yeah, there's reports
of Yawi nests having been found,

558
00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:40.039
so I would love to take a
look at that. And then it's I've

559
00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:45.199
been thinking about the map Inguari a
lot as well and whatever that is.

560
00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:47.840
And I know there's people who look
into that, and so you know,

561
00:47:49.039 --> 00:47:53.280
I'm half Solvadorian, half Central American, you know, so it's like I

562
00:47:54.159 --> 00:47:58.960
feel like I could blend in that
culture well enough to where I can get

563
00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:01.039
in and you know, start looking
for that as well. You know.

564
00:48:01.239 --> 00:48:07.400
So that's what I would say.
Those places a lot of things out And

565
00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:14.320
then yeah, that's my hesitation from
going out is all the things that can

566
00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:17.760
kill you out there. That takes
some cojones, my friend. I'm I'm

567
00:48:17.800 --> 00:48:23.360
more worried about more than anything,
if I were to go to South America

568
00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:29.199
and look for the map in quarry. Because funny enough, Shane Corson was

569
00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:32.920
just down here in so Cow not
too long ago, just before Christmas,

570
00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:38.320
and we went to the San Diego
Zoo and one of Shane's favorite animals is

571
00:48:38.920 --> 00:48:45.280
are snakes. And I'm not a
fan of snakes, but we spent a

572
00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:52.719
lot of time. We spent a
lot of time at the Reptile House,

573
00:48:52.960 --> 00:49:00.239
and you know, I'm there looking
at these like micro enclosures of like many

574
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:01.639
forests and stuff, and I look
in there and I'm like, oh,

575
00:49:01.719 --> 00:49:06.440
I don't see the snake. Shane's
like, there it is. And then

576
00:49:06.519 --> 00:49:10.719
you see this twelve foot long snake
curled up in the corner or up in

577
00:49:10.800 --> 00:49:15.440
a tree, and it's like,
oh yeah, by the way, it's

578
00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:20.400
you know, venomous and it's got
poisonous skin, and it's like, yeh

579
00:49:20.480 --> 00:49:22.599
see, I would have just died
right now. I would have looked down

580
00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:30.239
and safe died, you know.
So yeah, that's what I'm nervous about

581
00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:36.320
is really jungly places. You know, like it's a real fear yep,

582
00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:42.440
but you know, people survive down
there, So people do it somehow.

583
00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:46.559
They do. You're right, You're
right, they do. Rattle are my

584
00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:54.440
biggest concerned Matt and I's research area
happens to be also close to the last

585
00:49:54.519 --> 00:49:59.760
place there was a fatality from a
rattlesnake bite in Pennsylvania, So that,

586
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:01.800
you know, just gets my blood
pumping even more when we're out there.

587
00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:13.079
Warning at least they're courteous sometime sometime. Yeah, I love that one there.

588
00:50:13.679 --> 00:50:17.920
The guy was actually getting firewood at
night and he stuck his hand into

589
00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:22.320
the wood in the and the rattlesnake
struck him. So yeah, we're we're

590
00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:30.119
super super careful when we go up
there. That's crazy. Yeah yeah yeah,

591
00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:31.639
So how can we get you out
with it? Eli, Yeah,

592
00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:37.239
come on down to our neck of
the woods and dodge the rattlesnakes with us.

593
00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:46.119
Honestly, I would go, I
just buy snakes. I'm good,

594
00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:50.920
I'm all, I'm all set up
for this. Scott says, Chris's work

595
00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:54.239
is excellent. He has put so
much work into an extremely tedious project,

596
00:50:54.760 --> 00:50:59.480
but great data. Yeah, absolutely, it's I really concur with that.

597
00:50:59.599 --> 00:51:02.199
And you have more experience other than
we do, Youl. Yeah, I

598
00:51:02.280 --> 00:51:09.119
mean Chris has an obsessive personality.
He will sit there for hours on end

599
00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:17.119
and go through audio and I don't
know if I could do that. Order.

600
00:51:17.559 --> 00:51:22.239
Yeah, it is all order,
but I've noticed it in myself,

601
00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:28.159
and I think every researcher has it. There's some aspect of it that's obsessive

602
00:51:28.360 --> 00:51:30.440
in some way, right, you
know, even just the fact that we

603
00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:35.840
keep coming back to the topic of
Sasquatch. You know, how much of

604
00:51:35.920 --> 00:51:40.159
that is us subconsciously wanting to get
back to something that we know and scratch

605
00:51:40.239 --> 00:51:44.320
that itch, and how much of
that is the Sasquatch curse? I don't

606
00:51:44.360 --> 00:51:50.039
know, but you know, I
you know, history, archival data,

607
00:51:50.199 --> 00:51:55.119
that's my that's my bag. I
love going through people's different accounts and stuff.

608
00:51:55.199 --> 00:51:59.239
You know. One of the things
I'm actually kind of trying to work

609
00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:07.079
on now is piecing together what happened
during the nineteen sixty Bluff Creek expedition where

610
00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:12.400
John Green, Reneda Hindon, Peter
Burn, Ivan Sanderson, and Tom Slick

611
00:52:12.440 --> 00:52:15.639
were all there in Bluff Creek and
there was no official account of it,

612
00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:21.400
but there are bits and pieces throughout
John Green's writings, Peter Burn's writings,

613
00:52:21.480 --> 00:52:27.000
to Hindon's writings, Sanderson's writings,
and I'm trying to collect those all and

614
00:52:27.119 --> 00:52:30.039
kind of piece together what happened,
because I know what happened is everyone got

615
00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:35.880
together and it was extremely optimistic,
and then everyone left hating each other,

616
00:52:36.320 --> 00:52:40.000
so right, exactly, I was
just going to ask if that's the one

617
00:52:40.039 --> 00:52:46.760
where everybody left and we know absolutely
nothing if they found anything on that trip

618
00:52:46.840 --> 00:52:55.760
besides the fact they hated each other. Yeah, so kind of in that

619
00:52:55.920 --> 00:53:00.719
same vein here, And I'm gonna
ask this question in honor of our host,

620
00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:07.119
who cannot be here tonight, Henry
May. Is if you were going

621
00:53:07.400 --> 00:53:12.199
out to say like Area A,
and you have no internet service, you're

622
00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:15.639
gonna be up there for two weeks, three weeks? What books? What

623
00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:19.519
big foot books are you bringing up
to read? Ooh, good question.

624
00:53:20.599 --> 00:53:23.400
The one I'm reading right now.
Actually, I would highly recommend, which

625
00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:34.119
is map Pruit's The Phenomenal SaaS great
book, very good and I can't understate

626
00:53:34.400 --> 00:53:39.920
I can't overstate that enough. It's
extremely well written, and I've recommended it

627
00:53:40.039 --> 00:53:45.679
to a couple of people who uh
well. Back in September, I was

628
00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:51.639
also mixing around with a group of
people who are not of this Sasquatch world,

629
00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:55.280
and everything I did to them seemed
extremely bizarre, and the only thing

630
00:53:55.360 --> 00:53:59.599
I could do was recommend them this
book. Book. I said, this

631
00:53:59.719 --> 00:54:04.800
book is it will convince you.
If you're a skeptic, it will convince

632
00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:09.960
you. So that one probably Sasquatch
The Apes among Us by John Green.

633
00:54:10.039 --> 00:54:15.000
It's also fantastic reed, and I
don't know if I had to pick one

634
00:54:15.079 --> 00:54:17.760
more, man, I don't know
that you would have to, I mean,

635
00:54:19.320 --> 00:54:29.719
improve it. They definitely capitalized on
being able to encapsulate the entire genre

636
00:54:29.960 --> 00:54:34.840
of the whole Bigfoot thing to begin
with. So yeah, I totally agree

637
00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:39.199
with what it is that you're saying. Without Yeah, I guess I don't

638
00:54:39.239 --> 00:54:43.119
know if you said this in the
question, but if I were to bring

639
00:54:43.639 --> 00:54:46.320
a third book, it would be
it would have to do something with the

640
00:54:46.440 --> 00:54:52.519
region itself that I was in.
Okay, you know, so no,

641
00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:57.320
very good answer to that question.
Yeah, guys, we've hit that point.

642
00:54:58.280 --> 00:55:01.639
Well, we do have one more
question, Eli Jasmine says, tell

643
00:55:01.719 --> 00:55:08.639
them about the coat you want to
buy. Yes, there's a mountain town

644
00:55:09.039 --> 00:55:15.599
up near me that sells coats and
flannels and things like that, and I

645
00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:21.719
bought a flannel from them years ago, and it's really nice flannel. You

646
00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:23.440
know, it's like it was like
sixty bucks, so you know, it's

647
00:55:23.519 --> 00:55:30.679
like high quality stuff and it's lasted
me taking it on every single expedition.

648
00:55:30.360 --> 00:55:35.159
I wear it if it gets cold. It's just a. It just I

649
00:55:35.239 --> 00:55:37.719
mean, it's a basic pattern,
red and black. You know, we've

650
00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:44.000
all seen it, yep, yep. And I was in there just recently

651
00:55:44.119 --> 00:55:47.440
around Christmas time because it kind of
have a nice Christmas vibe going on up

652
00:55:47.480 --> 00:55:53.039
there. And went in there and
saw this rain coat that's like it's got

653
00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:57.519
straps for your legs so it won't
get tangled up in bushes and stuff,

654
00:55:57.840 --> 00:56:04.199
and it's got not one, but
two concealed carry holsters built into the jacket.

655
00:56:04.519 --> 00:56:08.280
I was like, whoa, you
know? Pocket nice? I like

656
00:56:08.360 --> 00:56:14.440
that. I mean, it's it's
it's a really nice jacket, and you

657
00:56:14.519 --> 00:56:20.800
know, it's three hundred dollars,
but you know it's gonna last like thirty

658
00:56:20.880 --> 00:56:25.800
years, you know. And I
don't have I wouldn't even say it's a

659
00:56:25.840 --> 00:56:29.840
jacket. It's more like a trench
coat. You know. It covers your

660
00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:35.239
entire body like a duster. Like
a duster. It's it's Western in style.

661
00:56:36.360 --> 00:56:42.840
So I'm continuing the Western trend here
and getting a nice thick duster jacket

662
00:56:43.599 --> 00:56:46.480
that'll keep me dry when it's wet
out. Well, they're having folks.

663
00:56:46.599 --> 00:56:51.639
They answer to the question everybody wanted
to know, you've been listening to the

664
00:56:51.679 --> 00:56:54.920
Sasquatch Experience with our guest tonight,
Eli Watson. Eli, any final words

665
00:56:54.960 --> 00:57:00.360
of wisdom for the listeners out there. I want to say thanks for everyone

666
00:57:00.440 --> 00:57:04.519
for tuning in and this has been
a fun show. And go watch Road

667
00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:09.280
to Discovery if you haven't check out. We all have to Discovery and if

668
00:57:09.320 --> 00:57:13.360
you're a squad member you get to
see it in four K, which means

669
00:57:13.400 --> 00:57:15.840
it looks even better. So get
out there and check it out and a

670
00:57:16.039 --> 00:57:22.440
free and vance man. Anything else
from you now? I think there's a

671
00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:28.000
great night. Yep. Keep doing
what you're doing. Eli. I have

672
00:57:28.280 --> 00:57:31.519
a lot of envy when I go
to work on a forty hour work weekend,

673
00:57:31.559 --> 00:57:36.679
I'm like, how does how does
Eli do this? This is crazy?

674
00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:39.639
He's living the life I want to
live. So good for you,

675
00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:46.039
man, I'm so happy for you, and I watch everything that you have

676
00:57:46.360 --> 00:57:53.000
done. I've watched everything that you
and Seth have put together, and boy,

677
00:57:53.599 --> 00:58:00.480
it is so fulfilling. It is
very entertaining and it is very INFORMEDIV.

678
00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:05.599
So kudos to you, sir,
well, thank you. Yeah.

679
00:58:05.639 --> 00:58:09.800
I definitely Eli. We we have
so much respect for for you, for

680
00:58:10.039 --> 00:58:14.880
Alex. You know, really,
I think you know, with your on

681
00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:20.639
the Trail series with the two of
you, really elevated you know, the

682
00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:28.239
uh, the whole you know,
education and documentary film style that we really

683
00:58:28.360 --> 00:58:31.079
need for this field. And you
know, you guys are great. So

684
00:58:31.880 --> 00:58:36.920
and I've said this many times before, I said, I said, in

685
00:58:37.039 --> 00:58:39.440
the next like five years, it's
going to be people going out there with

686
00:58:39.639 --> 00:58:45.000
the with the high end cameras that
are going out in the wild, such

687
00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:49.559
as you and Alex that hopefully,
you know, we get some great proof

688
00:58:49.920 --> 00:58:52.039
from you guys. So please,
you know, keep doing what you're doing.

689
00:58:52.119 --> 00:58:58.079
And uh and and again we we
give you much respect you. I

690
00:58:58.199 --> 00:59:01.440
hope that would be cool to film
they've foot one day, because not only

691
00:59:01.480 --> 00:59:05.320
would I get to have a sighting, but you would be able to hear

692
00:59:05.440 --> 00:59:14.440
me crap myself. That's the way
to that's a way to close about how

693
00:59:14.480 --> 00:59:16.760
about it? Hey? Van?
Sinceendri's here not here, why don't you

694
00:59:16.880 --> 00:59:22.880
go ahead and use his closing words? Oh y'all be good or be good

695
00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:25.599
at it, but good god,
all right, folks, we'll see you

696
00:59:25.679 --> 00:59:37.480
next week. Good night. Alrighty, you've been listening to Sasquatch Experience.

697
00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:42.039
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698
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699
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