EP 89: 2023 Year In Review

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We got someone or something crawling around
out here. Does a legend walk among

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us working in the forests of our
world? Did you see what it was?

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Was it a person or an animal? Or I can't go. All

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I know is if my entre light
came on and I just happened to glimp

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and see this thing running across the
yard, a good side man or something

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works like a man. I don't
know what it was. For over fifteen

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years, we've talked with scientists,
researchers, investigators, and witnesses trying to

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gain insight and truth around the existence
of this mysterious entity. Jesus Christ,

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Hello, get somebody out of here. What's going to announce? There's got

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a bit of about six four nine. I don't know easy, I'm me

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out there. Yes, the Booker
right, Oh, okay, hang on,

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yeh got here, bigger? Okay? What's he doing here? Yard?

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We're gonna do. Join us as
we continue into the investigation of the

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Sasquatch Experience. And good evening everyone, Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience. First

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show for the new year. Exciting. I'm Sean the Fort Chott Forker and

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the Center Squares. James Baker over
in the corners, Mat Honor down the

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bottom as Chatty Cathy the big Football, horny dude in the bottom corn owner

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Henry the Bigfoot Encyclopedia May at Henry
May on Facebook. If you folks are

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looking to make a friend, he's
there till the end, Heidi. Hell,

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guys, it's such great night to
be here and again Happy New year,

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fellas. Good to see you.
Happy New Year. And just so

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you got folks out there and listener
and lan believe it or not, guys,

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we've got a ton of listeners tonight
on Acts, a platform that I

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thought we'd never use, but we
had a great amount of listeners there in

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the onslaught. It's pretty cool to
see that. So excellent. We got

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Vance stuck. It didn't find Worth
Vance and Nesbitt. Guys. It's been

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a strange year. It was a
good year and thank god it's over as

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we start something different, something new. Although Matt had a rough one today,

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we always got to give Matt a
little love and support because he's out

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there doing the good work. So
thank you Matt for making sure people are

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safe out there today. It's a
day I'm sure you deal with a ton

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of assholes. We do. We
do anytime it's a holiday. It's never

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a good day when you're working,
so or full moon. Full moon is

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a whole different story. But yes, we we actually, yeah, we

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we actually keep track of that.
So our good friend, a brother from

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another mother or a man in Manitoba, Corey Luckapoi saying Happy New Year's guys,

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Corey, Happy New Year's to you. Agree to have you in the

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chat with us, my friend,
good to see you. Thanks so much

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for tuning in. Like tonight's going
to be kind of a low key night.

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It's the twenty twenty three year in
review, and we had some interesting

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things to talk about from last year, guys. And I don't know if

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we want to do it in any
particular chronological order, and if there is

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something that's stuck out to you that
you thought you'd definitely want to talk about.

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But I think the most important thing
to talk about, Henry, let

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me get rid of this banner soppy
people can actually see your face is the

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Bigfoot times well, Bigfoot of the
year now, yes, markmrcell And you

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know what, I always feel like
there's some contention around Bigfoot of the Year.

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Somebody always gets their feelings hurt or
it's kind of like, I don't

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want to say it's like the oscars, but you know, there's always great

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contenders for it, right no matter
which way you go, somebody's going to

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be disappointed. And I think Mark
Marcell with the work he did in Epe

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Canyon putting together the booklet Mountain Devil, he's working on a book about Ape

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Canyon. Now, I think it
was a good choice, a little unconventional,

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but he really put the time,
effort, and energy into going back

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to one of the classic stories of
Bigfoot, one of the classic encounters.

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Absolutely he did a great job with
it too, And I mean that's not

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an easy thing to do because it's
hard to get to that location. Henry.

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My understanding is that Mark has a
background and in that I want to

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say surveying, but it's probably not
surveying that helped him look into the landmarkings

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and whatnot to to help him find
the area. I believe he does had

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some kind of background in that so
that enabled and be able to find the

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area pretty easily. And also the
grandsons of some of the miners actually found

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the long Logged Mind the vander White
mine as well. Vander White, the

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name of the mine where they had
the encounter at Abe Canyon. So,

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Matt, what were your thoughts on
the announcement of big Foot of the Year.

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And I'm sure you had your own
list in your mind of people that

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you thought might go and take it. You know what, I have my

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own list, and there's people that, you know, I felt that deserved

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it. But the one thing is
is in I don't I hate to say

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that there's a difference between East Coast
and West Coast, but you know,

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like Mark Marcel, like we were
aware of what was going on, but

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man to know all the you know, like the Olympia Project people, they

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knew, like all the work on
the ground that he was putting in,

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you know, everything entailing this big
announcement about the about finding the mind.

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You know, it's something that kind
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on the East Coast, we're looking
more at you know, people like Alex

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Petakov, you know who's who's here
on the East Coast part of small town

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Monsters has been just outstanding with his
field work, outstanding with his productions.

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And then you have somebody else too
that I thought was really well deserving of

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Big fourt of the Year who just
seems to be getting passed over as Todd

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Prescott and Todd it does such an
amazing job with his archives and yes,

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and not only that, but it
was it was funny during COVID, I

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almost had the opportunity to go go
out in the field with Todd, and

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from what I understand, he is
one and ten percent like in it when

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when you get to the field,
so you know, someone like him,

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I you know, But then,
like I said, Mark Marcella, it's

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one of those names like oh my
god, you know, like, yeah,

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I completely forgot about Mark. But
like I said, with what he

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brought forth with a canyon is just
absolutely amazing. We're gonna have him on

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the show last year, and I
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signals got switched up and we never
did bring him in, but I think

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we'll have to do that now that
he's the Bigfoot of the Year. Some

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other names that were floated around,
David Sheeley, you know, kind of

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a self nomination. If anybody reads
the Bigfoot Times newsletter Bigfoot Times dot net,

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go and subscribe, get yourself a
physical newsletter that comes in the mail.

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It's fantastic. I would it every
month and I didn't have that.

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Tom Seawood also nominated himself for Bigfoot
of the Year, and so there you

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have that. We have people self
nominating, which is okay, you think

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you've done the work by all means, but Matt that you mentioned it.

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Todd Prescott was another name that was
mentioned on the list. I don't know

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if you read it in advance or
I've known Todd for many years and such

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a good guys had a negative interaction
with Todd. He's got such a good

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energy, good musician too, So
you can't take that away from But Bigfoot

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of the Year always comes with that's
a little bit of controversy. But we're

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glad one was announced again. If
you're just joining ash Mark Marcell Bigfoot of

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the Year, as stated by the
Bigfoot Times Daniel Perez, they're pretty cool.

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James Baker says, the one list
you'll want to be on. There

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are many you don't, but that's
when you want to do. But guys,

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i'd be remiss to say if you
know another big event that was kind

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of it was It lasted longer than
I thought it would have, but it

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had a really quick and impact or
had a really quick impact. Was that

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Colorado train footage? Yes, yes, that was on my list talking about

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tonight too. Yeah, well go
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Let's talk about you know what without
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because everyone pretty much is aware of
the Colorado train footage. It was

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shown on national news. It was
always you know, people are coming out

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of the woodwork saying, oh,
this is a real thing. No,

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it's a hoax. But the one
thing is is that it did show nine

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percent solidarity in the Bigfoot community online
people in real life saying now, this

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was a hoax, which I to
be honest, I think there should be

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a little bit of pride in the
in the Bigfoot community for that, for

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standing up to that and saying,
hey, you know this thing is not

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you know what we think is so
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credit to the community at large for
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and calling out for what it was. It took about two days, three

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days for us to really kind of
get you know, a good you look

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at that video after it was initially
released the same yeah, yeah, this

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isn't. But I'm glad for that
because a lot of times we embrace I'm

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gonna use the word shit, but
we embrace it, and we embrace stuff

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that we should never do. And
then what happens two weeks later, It's

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on every news channel and we we're
sent back five years as being idiots,

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you know, instead of you know, I'm either for the science. I've

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already told you my opinion. It's
either really intelligent or it doesn't exist.

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But when you have people that run
around and then you'll have twenty and then

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every county has fourteen sightings because they
watched ABC News, can't help yeap.

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You know, we're gonna get a
snippet of that in the news tonight or

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the shit that the big Foot bullhorn
tonight. Vance puts a little news segment

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in there, very relative to the
things we're talking about here this evening.

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But no, James, I really
agree and everything you've all said so far,

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we took it down quick as a
community, and that was a really

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good thing. But I think the
one thing that I was even prouder of

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was we really kept digging and going
into details. That's what it was going

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on. I see Matt laughing,
and I see Baker with this devilish look.

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Vance what's your thought on all this? The train, the Colorado Free

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In my first take was it was
just a hoax for promotion, and that's

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how I take it. And I
think it made itself very visible for those

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on the train and then sat down
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it's hiding. But that's my tool. No. I mean, I think

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when you look at it from a
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on the money long lasting, it
was not, but we were able to

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get some I think, connect some
dots and find out who was really sort

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of find out who is responsible for
I don't think it's been concretely proven yet,

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but we have a good idea that
it was done by a marketing outfit

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out there, by one of those
RV RVs. So Baker, don't give

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them any of your money this year, you know, find somebody to get

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an RV from. We're buying the
Bigfoot wagon next year, telling you bigfoot

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shagging wagon folks. That's where we're
at ritable. Oh my gosh, Henry,

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what else has been out there with
you? Man? What do you

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think? What twenty twenty three?
What was the big Henry May moment?

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Oh goodness, Well, I think
the biggest moment was the announcement by Darby

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Orcutt that he is receiving DNA.
He he's open to receiving DNA samples,

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he by fines. Now, of
course Todd Disstel is also of course testing

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DNA as well. No, I
think that's a good point that you bring

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that up, Henry, that I
think Todd Distel has never stopped accepting DNA

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samples. Right, we just wit
talking about doctor Disstel, But you got

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a university backing this and actively engaging
in the collection of some information. I

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think that's pretty cool. Matt.
You were pretty big on that announcement too.

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I was, and obviously coming back
from having the back of the North

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Carolina state, you really lend some
credence to the you know, to the

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study. Hearing the doctor on another
podcast there, when the people receive the

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or when people send the DNA samples
out, they are going to receive at

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some point, you know, what
they basically what they have sent in an

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analysis of that DNA. So even
if they brought something in and they weren't

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sure of it, maybe it could
be something that they don't that they've never

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seen before. Well, if it
comes back as maybe, uh, you

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know, wolf DNA or bear DNA, they're going to get that. They're

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still gonna I believe they're gonna hold
onto samples, which is a big positive.

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So, you know, being able
to actually have a catalog and have

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a chain of custody for that particular
item done in a university level is extremely

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important because I know other DNA studies
that people send stuff in and they never

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got anything in return, and you
know, they may have never found out

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what that particularly was. No,
And I think that's a great point you

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make there too, Matt, with
the chain of custody and the logging of

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said information. I've sent stuff out
in the mail before. I told you

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I sent stuff to doctor Jeff Meldrema
and lost it in mail, sent it

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signature and everything, and it never
made it to its source. But that

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doesn't have to be anything conspiratorial,
folks. Shit gets lost in the mail

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all the time. But it is, you know, a good point when

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you're talking about Evan's collection, and
you know, if somebody out there gives

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them the recognition they need for actually
being the person to collect the good the

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good data, right, that's pretty
great. Van, You got an opinion

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on the DNA collection. Well,
look the plethora of DNA collection. Some

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of it has turned out to be
so damn complicated we can't figure it out.

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And others it comes back of unknown
origin. It's like you throw your

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arms up in the air. It's
like, please make a decision. Well,

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I again, with nothing to type
against an unknown specimen. You could

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group all these unknown specimens together and
look for commonalities. Right, what's the

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commonality? But still, until the
end of the day, you have something

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to butt it up against that say, here it is with one hundred percent

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beyond a shadow of it out,
not a reasonable doubt beyond a shadow of

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it out. These two things are
alike and they are the same. That's

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a big difference. That's a whole
another story. Even if it came back

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as well, this is a primary
hair, just a primate hair. Just

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give me that. Okay, that
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it doesn't even come back as that. And I think there has to be

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some more clarification or more pressing for
clarification. So when we just take it

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that information out in somebody posts,
oh it's just an unknown primate, we

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should be pressing back. Well,
what are the markers, what's it closer

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to, what's it closest to in
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I mean we're a bunch of damn
dirty abes too, so we're you know,

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where does it fall in in perspective
to us? So there's a lot

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more questions we could ask, But
here's the bottom line. As a research

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community, we're kind of stupid.
We don't go out of our way to

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educate ourselves and improve ourselves and in
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That's why we need folks to speak
on our behalf that do have that education

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and credential. I'm never going to
be, you know, a speaker of

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the bigfoot house, you know,
rubbing elbows with the scientists. That's just

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not my forte. You know,
I'm a plain spoken man. God,

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I just almost call myself the George
Bush or Bigfooters. But you know,

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just plain spoken and that's all right. But you know, when it comes

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to dealing with this on an academic
level, people really know what they need

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to know what the hell they're talking
about, and we just haven't done a

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you know, we're weekend warriors for
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out there that are becoming really a
little bit more professional. But unless you

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really are a professional dialed into this
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in physiology, you know, it's
a different story. But that's just my

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two cents, Matt, did you
have a rebuttal or a pine on that.

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I don't. Again, I think
that the other thing too is with

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the study, it's not going to
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done and say this is definitely an
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this is going to take year So
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four years before we get that big
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And I'm sure that they are going
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that are going to be misidentified,
not from the university or from the people

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doing the analysis, but possibly from
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happens, you know again that there
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the field researcher may not have been
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but again it's gonna take I think
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know, we get that big yes
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let's say is an ape like creature, there's also then have to investigate that

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point to find out out what's going
on, because there's going to be that

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twenty percent of people that are gonna
send gonna go to the zoom, cut

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a chimp's hair and throw it in
a bag and just to screw with them.

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So, I mean, before you
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talk about some other people that are
on you know, different things, like

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you have to confirm enough to be
able to say this, okay, not

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only is an unknown ap but it's
from a credible source. Yes, you

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know so, and that's where your
two years is coming in. It's not

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as much like they can't throw it
through you know, you watch NCIS,

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so like five minutes later they know
they know the exactly who the guy is,

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yes, but they also have twenty
seven pieces of information and also tie

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him to being there. Yep,
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once the once they do get some
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the research at that point and going
back in. If you get a certain

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individual that says, hey, you
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National Forest or I was up in
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got the sample and alone, behold
you you find out that the guy never

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left the city of Philadelphia, you
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to the zoo. You know.
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I could see, you know,
the questions being being thrown at them.

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Naywak Group area X, I think
have probably began submitting I know that they

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had been talking about it, and
you know, just researchers, good field

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researchers throughout the country. Yeah,
that had evidence, and we're planning on

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submitting it well. And the waiting
game is okay by me because I can't

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get any you can't get any more
frustrating than what it is. We just

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have to be patient and wait.
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know, the emergence of the using
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types of samples, that's a lot
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to hopefully get something that is I
really even though it's really cool and we

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have that capability, it's very,
very difficult to get something tangible from that.

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I feel like it was a glimmer
of hope for all of us.

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And if you do an expedition Bigfoot
and everybody gets excited, and then when

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people actually start talking about how the
hell it really works, it's like a

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big kick in the balls. Oh
that was great, and uh wow,

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I see that. I see that
at work all the time. We got

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a new guy and he's really interested
in, you know, in the stuff

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that I do, and and you
know he's thinking that it's all, you

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know, everything you see on TV
is is what happens. You send you

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send things in. There's crime lab, you know, attached to your apartment.

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You could go right there now.
I mean I got to drive it

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up to, you know, a
laboratory. It's an hour and a half

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away. You know, I sign
all sorts of chain of custody paperwork on

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it. I have to make sure
that everything is submitted the correct way,

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and then from there they do their
thing. And when you do get the

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results back, oh my god.
You know, it's it's almost like you

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need a PhD just to read it. But I think that goes to Baker's

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point, where you know, you
have that Hollywood idea in your head of

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the NCI as you take it down
to the lady in the basement and she's

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going to run it through all these
high tech machines. Then no local police

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department can afford. But you know
most people don't have You got to take

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it somewhere and get it tested.
So there's an unrealistic expectation about how that

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all comes to fruition as well.
It's actually something that we deal with in

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mind line and work and when we
take a case to a jury trial,

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and we call it the CSI effect. And for those people in law enforcement

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that are that are listening, the
CSI effect has been been ongoing for probably

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the last twenty years, where you
know, they'll people ask, well,

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why didn't you get a fingerprint off
of off this particular right, and well,

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you know, prints could be there, but for them to be developed

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and for them to be you know, processed, it may not be able

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to you know, be to fruition. So you know, we get that

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quite a bit from from jury's so
it's something that we have to deal with,

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but it's also something that we as
a big for community need to deal

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with as well, because of the
family. That's a good point. You

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know, when you hit when your
fingerprinted, which I have been sorry to

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say, we can grab the thumb. The officer will grab the thumb and

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roll it across the ink pad.
But that's not how fingerprint and prints are

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left. Naturally. You might only
have a partial of a fingerprint that's not

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conclusive enough to evidence. Now,
we would actually need a certain amount of

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what we call points identifying points from
that in order to make an identification,

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and there's a sets standard for that. But yeah, I mean I was

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doing Layton prints today and you know
what I ended up having to deal with

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was people were overlaying their fingerprints over
the print that I wanted, and so

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it was impossible for us to to
actually an identifiable print. So now you

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look at that in terms of the
bigfoot community, you know, what can

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you learn from that? Well,
you know, the one thing is is

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if you if you see a possible
handprint. You know a lot of people

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talk about handprints on cars car windows, just don't touch it, you know,

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like stay away from it. You
know, wait till you have everything

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there to collect it to And why
I say collected it's not just you know,

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taking taking powder to it and lifting
it, but actually photographing it,

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you know, getting the measurements from
it, because that all helps. And

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again this is something that that could
be transferred over to the to the big

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foot community, you know, and
take your time with it. I think

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what everybody forgets is a simple point
is is like and I'm sure you see

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a lot of it. That is
it's the moment, yes, you you

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see all these things. And I'll
just say you say, you say you

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see bigfoot touch a tree and you're
just over there standing around the tree and

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you're touching the tree and you're whatever. You're not helping, you're just screwing

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up more evidence because now your fingerprints
are meshed with this other one. And

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maybe maybe you're a shudder or a
secrete or whatever they call it, you

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know, so you're leaving stuff all
over the place, and like because you

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spit when you talk and you're really
excited or you know, and you just

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wipe the print away. So and
the thing is what it is. It's

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even in your thing. If someone
got let's go, for instance, there

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was a body in a car.
Whoever opens the door to get the body

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might not be a police officers that
trained to glove up. It might be

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it might be his mom going,
oh my god, Joey might be alive.

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And they own the body and they
move and they touch the steering wheel

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to try to get a better access
to check whether his neck is good and

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stuff. So like you have like
and I know they have like a way

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to test whose prints or whatever,
and they have that. But at the

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same time is while she's checking the
neck, maybe there was a really good

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print here from the killer. Well
now it's gone. Well, you know,

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that is a good point. But
the one thing that like, especially

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for going out into the field is
if you see a print, the biggest

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thing is the biggest mystique I see
people do is when they see prints,

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they try to touch it, you
know, they try to even just to

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pad it. Do not do that, because there have been prints that I

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believe Cliff Barackman was saying that he
is a print in one of his collections

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where somebody went in put their finger
into into the impression and you could actually

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see the finger impression within the foot
impression. So you're not getting that natural

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perspective of that of that impression because
you know, somebody put their you know,

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went to see, yeah, this
is three times bigger than my hand,

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so it ought to be that,
and then they touched the print.

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big penis. Yeah. If that's
true, how can we call him Bigfoot

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instead of the fat cock monster?
Yeah? Maybe that's why it's blurry.

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You know. They just gotta citcure
out that huge park. Wow, quite

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a spicy way of kicking things off, only cow Welcome to the very first

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square on your brand new calendar.
This is the Bigfoot Bullhorn, exclusively on

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the Sasquatch experience, and let's kick
things off by how the year ended in

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twenty three going to December twenty eighth. Out of winter Green, Virginia is

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Bigfoot real or not, we may
never know. But here's how the news

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report went Surprize surprise, Some bigfoot
sightings in winter Green have been debunked.

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According to police, it was someone
who was having a laugh and wanted the

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quote to create a little lighthearted conversation. As for whether there really is a

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bigfoot anywhere else, we're just going
to say, amateur sasquatch seekers always hope

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something BIG's afoot. Well, that
laugh, I never want to hear that

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laugh again. Thank you. There
were many sightings in winter Green of a

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large, hairy figure on the mountain
and in wooded areas and even on ring

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cameras. Now I have forwarded the
photograph that ABC three News used to clickbait

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you into this story. The photograph, my opinion, looks Legit looks like

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it could be a bigfoot, definitely
not a dude in the suit. However,

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they did post one other picture that
is completely different of an individual clearly

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in a costume, obscured by property, fences and trees and is out of

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focus. See this is what they
do. Now. The report goes on

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to say these bigfoot sightings were staged, according to the Winter Green Police Department.

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Now winter Green, Virginia is located
south southwest of the Shenandoah National Forest

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and due west of winter Green,
Virginia is the George Washington Jefferson National Forest

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in the mountains. Seems like a
habitat place to me that a bigfoot might

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be stomped around. I don't know. This is Virginia. Crazy things happened

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there. But why do I bring
all this up? Well, let's go

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on with the news story. Chief
Dennis Russell said they got a small handful

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of calls about it. It was
just I guess, maybe something that maybe

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got out of hand, but it
was all fun and games. Russell said

408
00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:24.799
the Bigfoot impostors stopped when he found
out people were taking it more seriously than

409
00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:31.319
expected. I think he just wanted
to maybe elevate people's happiness during the holiday

410
00:33:31.400 --> 00:33:36.559
season, he said. He said
there was nothing criminal to it. I

411
00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:40.160
believe most people ninety nine percent knew
that it was all in jest, because,

412
00:33:40.240 --> 00:33:45.519
let's be honest, Bigfoot in Winter
Green, he wouldn't come here,

413
00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:50.319
he said, with a laugh.
Russell said they didn't have to tell him

414
00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:53.960
to stop, but he thinks he
realized on his own notice they use the

415
00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:59.680
word he thinks he realized on his
own. The police department never had a

416
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:02.599
kind with this individual. There's no
names put out there. He did clearly

417
00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:07.880
state there was nothing criminal about this, but they're convinced it was a hoax

418
00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:15.039
without talking to the person that perpetrated
this hoax. It was something people were

419
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:21.079
thinking was more than what it was. Again, it's quite possible this is

420
00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:24.400
a primarya for a bigfoot to be
sighted. And I'm wondering who is more

421
00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:30.039
guilty here. If it was an
impostor wearing a costume, Okay, so

422
00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:34.199
be it. We don't like cultures, but so be it. But then

423
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:40.320
I see ABC three News doing the
same thing by using this ring camera photo

424
00:34:40.760 --> 00:34:47.559
of something that looks legitimate and something
that is clearly just yes. When we

425
00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:52.280
come back, Hey, Washington State's
going to kick off this year, and

426
00:34:52.440 --> 00:35:01.719
it's going to be really interesting to
see how this goes down. You're listening

427
00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:19.000
to the Sasquatch experience. Are you
a vegan who just misses the entire meat

428
00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:23.119
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429
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430
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431
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given a personal tour of our organic
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432
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433
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434
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435
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436
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murdered peace. Well, now that
Mount Saint Helen is blown its top,

437
00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:29.960
which seems like a couple of years
ago to me because I'm old, but

438
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:35.679
that was forty four years ago.
At the base of Mount Saint Helen's is

439
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the twenty twenty four Squatch Fest.
It happens on Friday January twenty six from

440
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four pm to eight pm and Saturday, January twenty seventh from ten am to

441
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442
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on the Sasquatch Experience, Shane Corson, who's gonna be on the side Sasquatch

443
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444
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445
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at Cowlitz County Events Center, which
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446
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Longview, Washington. For more information
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447
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Bigfoot dot com. Thanks again for
listening to this edition of The Bigfoot Bullhorn

448
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exclusively on the Sasquatch Experience, and
from all of us at the Sasquatch Experience,

449
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:44.639
we wish you a safe and secure
twenty twenty four and as always,

450
00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:58.840
everybody keep your toe in the mind. Well that was a spicy news segment.

451
00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:01.880
I didn't know we did kick off
with that shocker looking for We're going

452
00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:06.559
to have to call ourselves a new
type of show here. I'm not even

453
00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:09.079
going to say what I was going
to say because my grandma might be watching.

454
00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:13.639
Happy birthday, Grandma. We we
love you, No, folks,

455
00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:22.159
I agree with you. I can't
stand these reporters. I just want to

456
00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:29.519
punch you in the face. Oh
fascinate the asparagus, kill the broccoli.

457
00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:31.639
You've got a lot of people here
that are willing to go to Vick's Vegan

458
00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:37.840
Slaughterhouse with you. I like a
nice cauliflower as a side dish, not

459
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:45.880
a main course. You know,
I'm a meat eater. I'm afraid I

460
00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:52.000
think I think the use of the
cucumber may get out of hand. You

461
00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:55.840
got to use the creeter and cucumber
all in one evening, Folks, if

462
00:38:55.840 --> 00:39:00.920
you haven't been using your James Baker
bingo, tonight's the night you win the

463
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:06.000
jackpot. Folks. You're listening to
the Sasquad experience here on the second part

464
00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:07.639
of the show, Sean Forker,
James Baker, Matt Arner, Van z

465
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:12.079
Nesbitt, and Henry May down the
corner. It's like Hollywood Squares, but

466
00:39:12.159 --> 00:39:15.519
with all the empty spots, and
some of us are actually funny. Not

467
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:21.960
me, but James Baker. You
know, I want to add to the

468
00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:27.400
entire conversation of what we were talking
about Researchers of the Year. I have

469
00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:35.079
been completely enveloped in watching a lot
of the research that goes on that's posted

470
00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:42.559
on YouTube. I have to give
kudos to Alexander Pettakoff, and to Eli

471
00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:47.559
Watson, and to Seth Breedlow I
mean, these guys are putting themselves into

472
00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:53.159
places all over the country to do
the research that is necessary. And I

473
00:39:53.239 --> 00:39:58.920
want to give those three at least, you know, I'll put them up

474
00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:01.800
on the pedestal to say, you
know what, they're putting money and the

475
00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:08.679
efforting for all of this, and
I think that that research is definitely a

476
00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:15.800
double thumbs a double enthusiastic thumbs up
for all three of those gentlemen. Yeah.

477
00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:17.760
No, I think they're all you
know, worthy names that you've mentioned,

478
00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:21.599
people out there doing the work.
I think, yeah, you know,

479
00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:25.519
here's the problem. I've been working
with Heather Moser on a project offline,

480
00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:32.559
off the public radar about discussing researchers
that have been in this for a

481
00:40:32.599 --> 00:40:36.880
long time that have gotten no recognition
whatsoever. And there have been so many

482
00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:40.000
over the years who have been left
behind for reasons sometimes we just can't explain.

483
00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:45.440
But for Joan Jeffers personally, for
me, because she was a PA

484
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:51.480
researcher and so tight to the early
parts, tied to Stan Gordon and doctor

485
00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:57.920
Paul Johnson, she's been forgotten about
in Pennsylvania and actually just UFO Bigfoot history

486
00:40:57.960 --> 00:41:00.400
in general, and it's quite sad
because she was a maze your contributor in

487
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:05.039
those fifties, sixties and seventy years, you know where she was, you

488
00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:07.519
know, really active. She passed
away before the Internet boom, and I

489
00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:12.519
became familiar with her posthumously, so
not even somebody who was actually able to

490
00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:15.519
meet. But her story has always
been compelling to me because there's nothing out

491
00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:21.159
there. And I got this to
Heather, and you know, she she

492
00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:24.480
started making Joan come to life for
me. And actually, at one point

493
00:41:24.519 --> 00:41:28.679
she sending me all this information,
I actually got quite emotional over it because

494
00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:31.400
it's like somebody who's giving me the
genealogy of a grandmother that I didn't know

495
00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:36.840
existed. Because for just some reason, I've had a kinship with Joan that

496
00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:40.119
are a connection that I can't explain. And hopefully Heather and I get a

497
00:41:40.199 --> 00:41:44.239
chance to really sit down together and
tell her story to all of you,

498
00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:49.280
because I think there's just something really
impactful about it. And that also happened

499
00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:51.599
in twenty twenty three, as she
and I had you know, the last

500
00:41:51.639 --> 00:41:53.519
couple of weeks of the year.
She and I really pulled it together.

501
00:41:53.599 --> 00:41:58.320
She did all the work, I
did some validation, I kept encouraging her,

502
00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:00.800
but I gave her a mission,
and my god, man, did

503
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:05.199
she just go to work and start
pulling shit out of the air I hadn't

504
00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:08.800
seen before with very limited information.
And yes, Brian, I agree,

505
00:42:08.920 --> 00:42:14.679
Heather Moser rock. She really does. And I can't wait to kind of

506
00:42:14.719 --> 00:42:19.360
continue to go down some of these, you know, some of these lesser

507
00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:24.360
contributors. Right. It's important to
me that everybody that's been a part of

508
00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:29.280
this gets a notation somewhere. And
you've heard me say many times, especially

509
00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:30.960
you, Matt, when it comes
to myself, I'm just a footnote in

510
00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:37.079
this story. This is an amazing
story with tons of characters and amazing people

511
00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:42.880
and places, and everybody's worthy of, you know, having notation, especially

512
00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:46.679
when it comes to contributions that you
know you never got recognition for. So

513
00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:52.239
I'm just thinking again over the moon
that Heather was able to pull all this

514
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:55.960
together and there's much more to come, but you know, publicly, I

515
00:42:57.000 --> 00:42:59.639
wanted to just put a little something
out there and hopefully she doesn't hit me

516
00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:02.440
with a rock, because it was
just I mean, honestly, she just

517
00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:06.400
blew my mind. Guys. So
I mean, if there was a researcher

518
00:43:06.440 --> 00:43:10.719
that should that we might want to
talk about, you know, chronological chronic

519
00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:15.000
I can't even see the name chronicler
of the year. You know, she

520
00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:17.440
definitely needs to take the cake on
that one. Just absolutely amazing what the

521
00:43:17.480 --> 00:43:23.280
research she can do out of this
world, well, especially on the property

522
00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:28.719
in which she has her cabinet,
and there's been a lot of creepy stuff

523
00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:32.039
that's happened there, especially if you
follow a wrong with it. There is

524
00:43:32.079 --> 00:43:38.320
a lot of creepy stuff that's gone
on there and it does leave evidence behind,

525
00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:43.079
So you know, you throw your
hands up in the air, going,

526
00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:49.880
wow, what is happening? And
I can understand with her position why

527
00:43:49.960 --> 00:43:55.840
she's so enthralled and taking more of
a further step into the research of this.

528
00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:01.599
Also to the point that with Joan
guys Jones a woman, and in

529
00:44:01.639 --> 00:44:06.320
this research, the women really do
get left behind, especially at that point

530
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:12.079
in time. And to have another
female researcher with me that got invested in

531
00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:16.039
this project and who's doing the work
that very much the work Joan did,

532
00:44:16.719 --> 00:44:21.159
it's kind of like seeing it come
full circle and it living on through someone

533
00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:22.639
else. So to me, I
don't know, maybe I'm a little I

534
00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:28.199
don't know. I'm a sucker for
a story or sentimental or you know,

535
00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:31.880
but it's just meaningful to me,
and hopefully it's as meaningful to everyone else

536
00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:36.239
because I can't wait to tell again, tell Joan's story for you know,

537
00:44:36.320 --> 00:44:39.360
help tell Joones's story for everybody.
Matt, I know there are some things

538
00:44:39.400 --> 00:44:42.599
you wanted to tackle, but before
we hit the brake, let's get into

539
00:44:42.639 --> 00:44:46.239
them. Yeah, you know what
we were we're just kind of discussing offline

540
00:44:46.280 --> 00:44:52.800
here about technology. And there was
a comment for one of our listeners about

541
00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:57.920
you know, some people don't go
into the woods with plaster. You know,

542
00:44:58.039 --> 00:45:01.320
some people don't go into the woods
with casting me materials. Now,

543
00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:07.159
again, I don't want to discuss
too much about by a small town monster

544
00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:10.760
fest ordeal. When when I brought
the when I brought the plastic bags with

545
00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:15.800
the plaster, you know that that
was a little embarrassing. But anyways,

546
00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:20.119
but I do I'll bring I'll bring
some plaster with me. I'll bring some

547
00:45:20.199 --> 00:45:24.119
water with me. But the one
thing that we've been using, and this

548
00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:29.039
kind of goes into you know what
we're talking about with twenty twenty three,

549
00:45:29.440 --> 00:45:35.440
is you know your cell phone.
I have an app called Scanaverse and both

550
00:45:35.639 --> 00:45:42.159
myself and Sean have gotten this app
and what it does is it's basically like

551
00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:50.000
a light or app where it will
give you basically that image, that depth,

552
00:45:51.519 --> 00:45:57.000
every little detail about that impression that
that's in the that's on the ground.

553
00:45:57.559 --> 00:46:01.400
And we were playing around with it. I got some really neat ELK

554
00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:07.519
tracks. I sent one to Sean
during the break. But they're at the

555
00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:12.800
point now where some of the higher
end light R programs are being able to

556
00:46:13.079 --> 00:46:21.000
be produced as a three D model. So instead of actually casting you know,

557
00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:23.639
a print like we normally would,
you would take a light er scan.

558
00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:28.119
Now, again this is with higher
end models, but I'm sure the

559
00:46:28.679 --> 00:46:31.480
technology is going to catch up pretty
soon and then you would be able to

560
00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:37.719
put that into a computer to make
a three D scan of that impression.

561
00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:40.679
So that may be where the future
is going. But this is something that

562
00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:47.000
really came about, you know,
really strong in twenty twenty three, and

563
00:46:47.079 --> 00:46:52.880
it's something that as a field researcher, myself and Sean have used and it's

564
00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:58.440
been fantastic. And I did have
prints that I didn't have casting materials with.

565
00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:05.519
I did the light ar scan and
you know, it actually looked pretty

566
00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:08.679
decent once it came up. So
we've used this on elk print, on

567
00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:13.239
Turkey print. I think the Turkey
prints were the best that we've done so

568
00:47:13.360 --> 00:47:15.639
far. But you know, imagine
being able to take that and sink it

569
00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:20.039
with a three D printer. So
now you can three D print your casts

570
00:47:20.079 --> 00:47:23.280
as opposed to have Now that's where
it might get a little sketchy, right,

571
00:47:23.360 --> 00:47:27.280
because how good is a three D
print going to be able to replicate

572
00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:30.519
some of those details you would get
in a casting artifact. But to you

573
00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:35.639
know, the point that Jay Michael
made and the friend j Michael long earlier

574
00:47:35.679 --> 00:47:39.760
in the chat made that not everybody
carries plaster and or they carry it spilled

575
00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:43.480
all over the floor of a conference. Yeah, make it judgment. I'm

576
00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:47.480
just saying, you have you know, you can only carry so much of

577
00:47:47.480 --> 00:47:52.559
the damn stuff before it becomes a
little you know, cumbersome. Now you

578
00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:55.480
have the ability to take scans and
upload it and you know a little different.

579
00:47:55.519 --> 00:47:59.320
And I'm sure as three D printing
gets better, it will be able

580
00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:02.880
to replicate those nuances that are you
know, picked up in the scans.

581
00:48:04.159 --> 00:48:07.239
Sure, And it also would be
easier to send other people because if you

582
00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:12.519
wanted someone like one of the one
of the big names to look at it

583
00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:14.320
and go, hey, what do
you think, you could just send them

584
00:48:14.320 --> 00:48:17.679
a file. And the other thing
is that with sending the file, you

585
00:48:17.679 --> 00:48:21.719
can also see if I altered the
file, like oh, hey, I

586
00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:24.199
had three dermal ridges and I doctored
it. No, no, no,

587
00:48:24.360 --> 00:48:30.599
this is the picture. I loaded
it into a thing of a jig and

588
00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:34.199
it gave me a scale model,
and I made a thing, you know,

589
00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:37.639
and you're you're taking all the abstraction
out of it too. Sometimes when

590
00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:40.000
people bring these plaster casts to you
don't know what the hell you're looking at.

591
00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:45.320
It's just this mass of plaster with
not a lot of detailing there unless

592
00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:49.159
you know what you're really looking at, you know. James Baker and I

593
00:48:49.239 --> 00:48:52.960
had the you know, pleasure of
way way back in the day, almost

594
00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:55.800
twenty years ago, making footprint casts, not knowing what the hell we were

595
00:48:55.840 --> 00:49:00.360
doing. Left the ground a little
bit foot back, and we put it

596
00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:02.960
in a three hundred and seventy five
degree of them for forty five minutes,

597
00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:07.920
like we're being at Crocker or something
to dry that sucker out. And we

598
00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:09.760
had people want to buy it and
we were at a conference, like we

599
00:49:09.760 --> 00:49:15.239
put it in the shadow box labeled
Jamie Baker size twelve, and people wanted

600
00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:19.199
to buy you know, they come
up to us and ask, where's you

601
00:49:19.400 --> 00:49:22.760
flos about this print? Well,
it's it's a James Baker size twelve,

602
00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:25.920
you know, taken alongside Little Bear
Creek and Lacoming County. People wanted to

603
00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:30.639
buy it make a print. I
don't know if we still had the video

604
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:36.079
we should post it somewhere. They
probably shouldn't posted. We probably shouldn't be

605
00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:39.840
amazing. Then, Mike, we
baked it on a on a little tray

606
00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:44.800
sheet tray in my kitchen when I
left over on the other side of South

607
00:49:44.840 --> 00:49:50.000
wayter Sport It. Forker has never
complained. You know, I've never claimed

608
00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:53.000
to be anything of a track track
caster, right. We don't get them

609
00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:58.960
a lot here in Pennsylvania. Our
soil is not really conducive to print leaving.

610
00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:01.960
And the ones that I have found
I never felt to be worth casting

611
00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:06.239
because they've always been suspected. Me, Matt, you and I have seen

612
00:50:06.280 --> 00:50:08.039
photos of summer. Some people are
like, oh, those are great prints.

613
00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:10.920
No they're not. There's somebody's foot
or they're a bear, I don't

614
00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:15.800
need to cast that to know what
the hell I'm looking at. And so

615
00:50:16.119 --> 00:50:19.679
you know, track casting is just
not something I got into, but it

616
00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:22.800
is something as again you've hear me
bitch about it time and time again the

617
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:25.800
show to educate, and so Matt
Baker, we might get together a weekend

618
00:50:25.840 --> 00:50:30.480
and sit there and cast some feet
all damn day. I don't care until

619
00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:32.360
we get it right. We're not
leaving until we get it they have cast

620
00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:39.320
right, like we did take Meldrum's
course there at the Creature weekend and he

621
00:50:39.360 --> 00:50:43.880
taught us how to do it with
the spray foam as well, which was

622
00:50:43.920 --> 00:50:46.119
pretty cool. If you're in a
hurry, Oh my god, I think

623
00:50:46.119 --> 00:50:52.880
we're won the same socks the spray
phone the same day well, also as

624
00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:57.679
a good substitute if you're in a
moment you need it a quick fix there

625
00:50:57.679 --> 00:51:01.039
for its hurry foam is a lot
lighter than plaster. It is it is.

626
00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:07.960
But I guess the other thing that
from twenty twenty three we have some

627
00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:10.519
really great things coming out from technology, but then we also have the curse

628
00:51:12.400 --> 00:51:17.039
the technology, and probably the biggest
thing that we saw in twenty twenty three

629
00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:22.960
is AI images that were coming out
where people were passing everywhere. Everywhere,

630
00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:29.199
they're passing photos and you're like,
oh my god, it's the same exact

631
00:51:29.320 --> 00:51:36.840
AI image that I saw in another
photo. But the AI is getting smarter

632
00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:44.920
and it's it's doing things to make
the make that image look more realistic to

633
00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:50.480
somebody. So we're we're getting to
that point where again, the AI just

634
00:51:50.559 --> 00:51:54.960
exploded this year. I think with
the I think with the AI, you've

635
00:51:54.960 --> 00:52:00.639
got to recognize the fact that it's
gonna leave tracers. Yeah, it's like

636
00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:04.880
I'm going through college and one of
the things that the professors are freaking out

637
00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:07.599
about is that you can have you
can have an I write your paper.

638
00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:12.119
The thing is, though, is
when you turn the paper in, no

639
00:52:12.119 --> 00:52:14.599
matter how well you do it,
if you cut the paste or whatever,

640
00:52:14.920 --> 00:52:19.199
there's still little tracers inside the thing
that say this was clearly not written by

641
00:52:19.280 --> 00:52:22.360
James, Like like, if it
doesn't, if it doesn't go a half

642
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:27.920
sentence and then start a new phrase
without making a period, it wasn't a

643
00:52:27.920 --> 00:52:32.480
Baker paper, Okay, And you
know it's it's it's it's just the newest

644
00:52:32.480 --> 00:52:36.159
way that people are doing it.
And in the beginning, yes, it's

645
00:52:36.159 --> 00:52:39.079
gonna be hard to track, but
as time goes on, you're gonna get

646
00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:44.440
pictures and videos that are never gonna
that are never gonna stick up. The

647
00:52:44.440 --> 00:52:49.199
big thing with AI is it doesn't
handle hands and feet, well, it

648
00:52:49.239 --> 00:52:55.360
doesn't. And eyes and ears are
actually the ears are probably one of the

649
00:52:55.400 --> 00:53:00.960
biggest targets that we look at.
Well it yep, as an artist and

650
00:53:01.039 --> 00:53:06.239
even probably as a police officer,
then you know that I in air policement,

651
00:53:06.599 --> 00:53:09.800
to nose are very important, like
you have to you know, That's

652
00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:13.599
the one thing they taught me in
drawing class first is first you make a

653
00:53:13.639 --> 00:53:16.599
cross because you got to make sure
that the eyes and the ears line up

654
00:53:16.719 --> 00:53:21.199
to the nose being in the middle, but not too far one way or

655
00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:27.840
another. Otherwise the symmetry of the
face is just completely yep. But eventually

656
00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:34.639
AI is starting to catch up and
it's teaching itself you know through yeah just

657
00:53:34.719 --> 00:53:40.840
stay yeah pretty muchin skin Yeah it's
it's it's good, but it's still not

658
00:53:40.920 --> 00:53:45.320
great and there's limitations. But ye, it's going to get harder as we

659
00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:50.760
progress through technology. It's going to
get harder to delineate the difference between a

660
00:53:50.800 --> 00:53:54.559
really good video and something that's really
good, really goodly, really goodly generated,

661
00:53:55.039 --> 00:54:00.119
really goodly. How about that,
Guys, we're in here pushing towards

662
00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:02.679
the end of the hour. We've
only had a footnote of some of the

663
00:54:02.679 --> 00:54:06.880
things we talked about this year,
you know. How about also, we

664
00:54:06.920 --> 00:54:09.400
did that great series in the Swamp
Ape, you know, down south.

665
00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:15.639
We talked with Matt Larson, you
know, who had an interesting episode on

666
00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:20.280
his podcast about the Patterson film,
and I would encourage people to go check

667
00:54:20.320 --> 00:54:23.519
that out and listen if they can. We did have a question from Jay.

668
00:54:23.599 --> 00:54:28.480
Maybe we'll use this question to wrap
it up, the question from j

669
00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:30.440
Michael. Other than a body,
what do you guys think would be the

670
00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:37.480
best evidence of bigfoot? We'll go
around the horn, starting at Baker Matt

671
00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:40.639
Henry Vantam will end with me.
I would say, simply put is it

672
00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:45.199
would be something we can duplicate.
It's if you've got hair evidence or you've

673
00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:51.159
got footprint evidence, we can duplicate
it in the same area. Then I

674
00:54:51.199 --> 00:54:54.800
would take that over a body.
Matt. I concur with that. I

675
00:54:55.039 --> 00:55:01.199
I agree, if you have something
that you could be I think that would

676
00:55:01.480 --> 00:55:07.840
satisfy the scientific community. I think
that what people are looking for is they're

677
00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:14.039
looking for that, you know,
for that super clear picture. And again

678
00:55:14.079 --> 00:55:16.199
I know there's people out there that
you know, they're turning in. They're

679
00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:20.280
not going out there with their guns
anymore. They're going out with the telephoto

680
00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:23.840
lenses and hiding in the bush trying
to get a photo. It's going to

681
00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:32.639
be that photo with prints, with
the ability to take research researchers from whether

682
00:55:32.679 --> 00:55:37.760
from a university or you know,
government to that area so they can get

683
00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:46.159
eyes on the creature as well well. I think if you're looking for evidence,

684
00:55:46.960 --> 00:55:52.719
evidence of footprints, evidence of hair, fecal manner, if you're looking

685
00:55:52.760 --> 00:55:59.559
for proof, definitely a body for
sure, besides the body or henry or

686
00:55:59.599 --> 00:56:04.079
a piece of a body. Okay, he's saying a hand, a foot,

687
00:56:04.519 --> 00:56:07.719
a leg, the head, but
he's saying like fecal matter for instance,

688
00:56:07.760 --> 00:56:12.440
like I have. I was walking
through my land yesterday. I had

689
00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:15.320
no deer tracks, but I could
see little pellets everywhere, so I know

690
00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:16.960
they were there. Now when I
checked my camera, there's a good chance

691
00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:22.880
I'm going to see ten or twenty
deer because I know that that's an area

692
00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:24.800
I'm in every week. And there
was a poop there last week, so

693
00:56:24.840 --> 00:56:30.840
there had there been an animal.
Now I can't until I don't need to

694
00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:36.679
find a dead deer to prove it. I just need to prove other collaborating

695
00:56:36.679 --> 00:56:38.840
evidence to say, yes, there
was something here. Yeah, but we

696
00:56:38.920 --> 00:56:45.679
know deer exist because we have bodies
and photos and exactly and someday maybe you

697
00:56:45.719 --> 00:56:54.840
know vance you know, with with
all the plethora of evidence that is required

698
00:56:54.880 --> 00:57:00.400
to prove that this creature is real, if we found a berry site where

699
00:57:00.440 --> 00:57:08.840
there's a full skeleton, some hair, bones, dental features, I think

700
00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:13.360
that's what it's going to take.
I think it's gonna take more than just

701
00:57:13.719 --> 00:57:20.320
one item to prove that this is
in existence. I think it's gonna take

702
00:57:20.639 --> 00:57:28.599
an entire skeletal remain in order to
prove the existence. Because while we have

703
00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:32.480
a hair here and it's primate,
but we can't describe it anymore. We

704
00:57:32.639 --> 00:57:37.400
have dental here, but we can't
prove any more than what it is.

705
00:57:37.719 --> 00:57:43.800
We have bones here. But if
you put it all together into one collaborative

706
00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:49.679
package altogether, I think that's what
it's going to take. And you know,

707
00:57:50.079 --> 00:57:53.840
we talked about this on a show
a couple episodes ago. What do

708
00:57:53.920 --> 00:57:58.079
they do with they're dead? Do
they bury their dead? And if the

709
00:57:58.199 --> 00:58:04.280
dead is buried, all that evidence
is going to be in one collaborative area

710
00:58:05.360 --> 00:58:09.679
and we may be able to decipher
that from you. National geographic quality video

711
00:58:09.719 --> 00:58:16.000
evidence from multiple angles I think is
the only other acceptable thing we'd find that

712
00:58:16.039 --> 00:58:21.800
could give validity because when you have
it from multiple angles and multiple vantage points

713
00:58:21.880 --> 00:58:27.679
and more than just ten seconds of
fleeting footage, it tells a different story.

714
00:58:28.079 --> 00:58:30.320
Right, you would accept that from
gorillas even if before gorillas existed,

715
00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:34.800
I think we would accept that.
They accepted that from the billiap at first,

716
00:58:34.960 --> 00:58:38.199
remember, oh yes, you caught
on footage. So I think when

717
00:58:38.199 --> 00:58:44.159
you have quality evidence or quality footage, that becomes a lot different because we

718
00:58:44.239 --> 00:58:49.480
haven't had anything like that at all
that we know of. You know,

719
00:58:49.519 --> 00:58:52.199
when I've talked to Cliff Barrettman who
Cliff said he's seen things out there that

720
00:58:52.239 --> 00:58:55.039
other people have it because some people
just don't want to put it out there

721
00:58:55.679 --> 00:59:02.320
and think about that everybody's motiva by
fame or fortune or whatnot. Some people

722
00:59:02.400 --> 00:59:07.320
really do have a distinct moral compass
that says, hey, you know what

723
00:59:07.320 --> 00:59:12.079
what we would do to this entity
creature being? Would be far worse by

724
00:59:12.519 --> 00:59:19.920
acknowledging its existence than by just pretending
it doesn't exist in general. And so

725
00:59:20.519 --> 00:59:23.360
you know, there you have it. I think that would be the next

726
00:59:23.400 --> 00:59:30.480
acceptable thing, something that couldn't be
replicated with a costume or AI. And

727
00:59:30.840 --> 00:59:36.119
you know it's not that hard.
You know, no matter how good Hollywood

728
00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:43.119
gets, AI looks like AI,
it still looks computer generated. And becouple

729
00:59:43.199 --> 00:59:47.679
that with some poop and then evidence
starts stacking up. Folks, you've been

730
00:59:47.719 --> 00:59:52.239
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01:00:28.920 --> 01:00:31.559
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741
01:00:31.559 --> 01:00:37.400
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742
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743
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